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StevePond

05-26-2005, 11:52 PM

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2 NEW RACING BRUSHLESS SYTEMS
The newest brushless motor systems from Novak are fast, powerful, and designed to race. In fact, they include all of the extra performance-enhancing components required for world-class racing, making them ready-to-race straight out of the box (nothing extra to buy or install). Each system includes Novak’s GTB Programmable Racing Brushless/Brush Speed Control factory-wired to either a Novak Velociti 5.5R Racing Brushless Motor (Brushless System part #3002), or a Novak Velociti 6.5R Racing Brushless Motor (Brushless System part #3003).

http://www.rccaraction.com/pics/novak/gtb_besc.jpg

INTRODUCING NOVAK’S NEW GTB RACING ESC
The speed control used for both of the new systems, the GTB Racing Programmable Brushless/Brush ESC, is packed full of features. This versatile ESC can be used with either brushless or brushed motors, has no brushed motor limit, and is compatible with all Novak 540-size sensored brushless motors: Velociti 5.5 Racing (5 1/2-turn), Velociti 6.5 Racing (6 1/2-turn), SS5800 (8 1/2-turn), and SS4300 (10 1/2-turn).

The GTB is also programmable with a user-friendly interface, including 4 different color status LEDs that make programming extremely easy. The brushless mode has 4 adjustable parameters, including Minimum Brake, Drag Brake, Deadband, and Minimum Drive. The brushed mode is fully programmable with all of the adjustments of the brushless mode, plus adjustable Drive Frequency.

The GTB uses exclusive lightweight MOSFET technology. These MOSFETs have the lowest ‘RDS On’ value, which allows the speed control to have the highest power density. The GTB uses more than twice the number of MOSFETs as the GTX, Novak’s competition ESC, making it the ultimate speed control for brushed and brushless motor performance

Like the GTX, the GTB includes all of the extra performance-enhancing components required for world-class racing, including a factory-installed heat-sink and cooling fan. Other convenient features include One-Touch Set-Up, direct-solder wiring tabs, and a replaceable input and switch harness. It’s also equipped with Thermal Overload Protection and a water-resistant case. The GTB can be purchased individually (#1710), or as part of one of the new brushless systems.

INTRODUCING NOVAK’S TWO NEW VELOCITI BRUSHLESS RACING MOTORS
With over 5 years experience developing and manufacturing sensored brushless motors, Novak introduces the Velociti Racing Brushless Motors. Novak’s Velociti-series brushless motors are available in both 5 1/2-turns (#3405) and 6 1/2-turns (#3406), and are compatible with the Novak GTB Programmable Racing Brushless/Brush ESC.

The Velociti brushless motors feature a higher-strength magnet for top racing performance, and an oversized front bearing for increased load handling and bearing life. Like the Novak SS-series motors, the Velociti motors are specifically designed for R/C vehicles, are sensor-based for excellent starting torque and low-speed driveability, have low cogging, provide longer run-times than brushed motors, and meet all ROAR specifications. Additional features include direct-solder wiring tabs, locked rotor protection, thermal overload protection, and a virtually maintenance-free design.

The motors can be purchased individually (#3405 and #3406), or as a system with the GTB ESC (#3002 and #3003). [Please note, the Velociti-series brushless motors are not for use with Novak’s Super Sport ESC. The Super Sport and Super Sport Plus ESCs are rated for use down to 8 1/2 turns brushless.]

INTRODUCING NOVAK’S TWO NEW RACING BRUSHLESS SYSTEMS
Novak’s two new brushless systems include the new GTB Programmable Racing Brushless/Brush ESC, and either Novak’s new Velociti 5.5R Racing Brushless Motor (Brushless System #3002), or Velociti 6.5R Racing Brushless Motor (Brushless System #3003). A GTB System provides a better value to the customer as everything is installed and ready-to-go, with the bonus of additional savings over purchasing the motor and speed control individually. Because the Velociti motor was specifically developed for the GTB, and the entire system is factory-tested, racers can be assured that the GTB System will provide optimum performance. If you’re looking for a competitive, out-of-the-box, ready-to-race brushless system, the GTB Brushless System is the way to go.

GTB ESC FEATURES
• Microprocessor-controlled
• Uses more than twice the number of MOSFETs as the GTX for ultimate brushed motor performance
• Multiple brushless programmable throttle profiles
• 4 Adjustable Parameters in all profiles: Minimum Brake, Drag Brake, Deadband, and Minimum Drive
• Fully programmable racing brushed mode including adjustable Drive Frequency
• User-friendly programming interface with 4 different color status LEDs
• Gold-Plated PCB Direct-Solder Wiring Tabs
• User-replaceable input harness and switch harness
• Thermal Overload Protection
• Radio-Priority Circuitry
• Polar Drive Circuitry
• Clear cooling fan (30x30x8mm) mounted on factory-installed heat sink
• Factory-installed power capacitor
• Water-resistant case
• Developed and manufactured in the USA by Novak with over 27 years experience in product design and customer support

GTB ESC SPECIFICATIONS
• Input Voltage: 4-6 cells (1.2V/cell)
• Footprint: 1.16” x 1.49” (29.5 x 37.8 mm)
• Weight: 1.36 oz. (38.5 g)
• Motor Limit: None (Compatible with all Novak 540-size brushless motors)
• On-Resistance: 0.00040 ohms (per each phase -3); 0.00013 ohms (brushed mode)
• Throttle Profiles: Multiple brushless, 1 brushed
• BEC: Heavy-duty 6V/3A

VELOCITI BRUSHLESS MOTOR SPECIFICATIONS
• Turns: 5 1/2 (#3002 System & #3405 Motor); 6 1/2 (#3003 System & #3406 Motor)
• Design: Sensor-based
• Motor Size: 2.08” L X 1.41” D (52.8 x 35.8 mm)
• Shaft Diameter: 0.125” (3.2 mm) [accepts all existing pinion gears]
• Motor Weight: 6.73 oz. (191 grams)
• Magnet: One-piece, multi-pole cylindrical high-strength Neodymium

VELOCITI BRUSHLESS MOTOR FEATURES
• High-strength magnet for top racing performance
• Oversized front bearing for increased load handling and bearing life
• Sensor-based for excellent braking and low-speed driveability
• Velociti 5.5R has 4.4 mW phase to phase resistance for the lowest possible copper loss
• Provides approximately 20% longer run-times compared to brushed motors
• Specifically designed for R/C vehicles
• Direct-Solder Wiring Tabs
• Virtually maintenance-free
• Locked Rotor and Thermal Overload Protection
• Low cogging
• Meets all ROAR specifications
• Developed and manufactured in the USA by Novak with over 27 years experience in product design and customer support

For more information about this and other Team Novak products, visit the Team Novak (http://www.teamnovak.com) website.

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Thanks to Dan G for the tip.

AudiTT-Quattro

05-26-2005, 11:57 PM

Cool! I wonder if there's going to be some sort of exchange program where we can exchange our SS5800 systems with some cash for the GTB system?

rcguy2477

05-27-2005, 12:31 AM

Looks good. Hopefully they relase it to the public soon.

tallyrc

05-27-2005, 12:34 AM

nice

ElectricThunder

05-27-2005, 12:37 AM

Cool! I wonder if there's going to be some sort of exchange program where we can exchange our SS5800 systems with some cash for the GTB system?
O please let there be one! :D

This system looks interesting. A new "high strength" rotor. Hmmm. Possibly good for some more insane torque. The ESC can only handle 6 cells though....what a bummer :( .

jocktheglide165

05-27-2005, 12:55 AM

whats really cool is that novak is releasing different motors with them that is just too cool..........I want one NOW!!!!!!!

NitroBoy24

05-27-2005, 12:57 AM

Still sensored I take it? Meh. Hopefully they wont have as many problems with these as they did w/the SS5800. If they can stay together and not thermal I can see a BL 1/10 ST in my future.

Dam, just saw it only takes 4-6 cells. That thing better have a wicked KV rating :)

WheelNut

05-27-2005, 01:09 AM

Sweeeet! Finally! Now RCCA needs to have a brushless shootout! With lots of numbers and speed graphs. It should be interesting to see how this compares to the LRP/Reedy system. The ESC looks like it has got some really nice features as well, which is cool.

Kmot

05-27-2005, 03:22 AM

If they had them at the RCX show they sure were low key about it!

LasagnaCat

05-27-2005, 06:20 AM

Am I blind or is there no mention of this having reverse anywhere....?

awnelson

05-27-2005, 08:59 AM

Am I blind or is there no mention of this having reverse anywhere....?

Wouldn't "race" denote that legal battery voltage and no reverse be the first two things on the design requirements?

gizmoguy303

05-27-2005, 09:54 AM

Yes! I've been wondering when Novak was going to release their new system - and here it is! I've got some serious money-saving to do. :D

gizmoguy303

05-27-2005, 09:57 AM

On Novak's site: "Estimated Ship Date: End of July 2005"

Looks like I have some time to save up. :(

LasagnaCat

05-27-2005, 10:22 AM

Wouldn't "race" denote that... no reverse be the first two things on the design requirements?

Not at all. As long as you can disable the reverse for a race, a reverse capable esc is perfectly legal at most if not all levels. Now if you're just dealing with the closed-minded people that think that something designated as a "race" product is inferior *because* it has reverse, that would be a little more believable as a reason to exclude it. They can put man on the moon in the 60's, and they still can't (or aren't willing to) release a high quality esc that's fully featured AND has reverse - hopefully this one is.

Dagger Thrasher

05-27-2005, 10:28 AM

I've never been a big fan of the sensored BL systems, but I gotta say that this setup looks extremely good. I can't wait to see how the Velociti 5.5 performs!

gizmoguy303

05-27-2005, 10:37 AM

I wonder if their is anyway to limit the power. For example, if I bought the 5.5 system and put it in my MF2, but on that track only wanted the power of say, a 12 turn, is there a way to turn down the power? That would greatly increase the usability of these systems.

LasagnaCat

05-27-2005, 10:42 AM

That should also be a standard feature. Maybe something along the lines of a Pit Wizard, but more functional. Or even the ability to hook the esc up to a laptop and have *total* control over all the features of any given profile(s).

lonepalm4

05-27-2005, 10:52 AM

Awesome!! I've been waiting for this for soooo long, and now it's here! I guess I'll have to get a couple of these. I'm wondering, though, if the heatsink can be removed ala "sphere" style for 1/12 style racing? That would be great. The only other thing that could make it better is a current limiter. I'll have to get 2 of these for winter racing. Mod should be a hoot this year...........
Heck, maybe I'll even throw it into a buggy and pull some mad wheelies...........Yea haw!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Way to go, Novak!

NovakTwo

05-27-2005, 01:21 PM

One or more Brushless profiles will include a reverse mode.

Am I blind or is there no mention of this having reverse anywhere....?

ElectricThunder

05-27-2005, 01:45 PM

Just looked on tower for price, and they have it set at 350ish right now. That'll probably drop down to 300 or so. This looks like a great system so far. I have no doubts that the KVs of the two motors are going to be WAY up there! :D

BTW, is there going to be replacement "high powered neo rotors" for the velociti motors that will fit in an SS5800? If the velociti rotors are better quality and stronger than the SS5800 magnets, that should give the 5800 some more torque to use....:D

NovakTwo

05-27-2005, 02:02 PM

Just looked on tower for price, and they have it set at 350ish right now. That'll probably drop down to 300 or so. This looks like a great system so far. I have no doubts that the KVs of the two motors are going to be WAY up there! :D
Street prices we hope to see :D, once items start shipping:

GTB Controller @185
Velociti Motors @ 83
GTB / Velociti Systems @255

BTW, is there going to be replacement "high powered neo rotors" for the velociti motors that will fit in an SS5800? If the velociti rotors are better quality and stronger than the SS5800 magnets, that should give the 5800 some more torque to use....:D
Keep an eye on TeamNovak New Product releases....:D

ElectricThunder

05-27-2005, 03:05 PM

Street prices we hope to see :D, once items start shipping:

GTB Controller @185
Velociti Motors @ 83
GTB / Velociti Systems @255

Keep an eye on TeamNovak New Product releases....:D
:eek: Have I mentioned I love Novak lately? :D

Edit: So the more powerful rotor WILL fit in the 5800?

schenck77

05-27-2005, 03:29 PM

looks good, and priced right. if the reedy isnt in site by then i might have to cancel my backorder and go with one of these.

danjoy25

05-27-2005, 07:04 PM

I wouldn't be surprised if they are out even before mid June and having the heatsink, fan and a no limit brushed capability will be worth the price.

lonepalm4

05-30-2005, 10:51 AM

ElectricThunder

05-30-2005, 12:00 PM

Hopefully someone from Novak (Charlie?..........) can answer this question: Can the heatsink be removed for 1/12 scale racing? It would be more dialed...
Either way, I have a couple on pre-order.

Go brushless, or go broke................
You probably could. If you can see, there's the screws holding the heatsink on. Just remove those and the heatsink PROBABLY comes off. However, heat may become an issue if you do so (although, from the looks of the specs, IR is really low, and there's tons of FETs, so heat may not be an issue). That's my guess dude.

tallyrc

05-30-2005, 02:58 PM

ElectricThunder

05-30-2005, 03:42 PM

you can do that with your transmitter easy enough.
Werd :cool: ... Dial throttle down to however much you need if your radio can do so.

kufman

06-02-2005, 07:58 AM

Hopefully someone from Novak (Charlie?..........) can answer this question: Can the heatsink be removed for 1/12 scale racing? It would be more dialed...

I would say you need the heatsink for running a brushless motor. The on resistance is just a tad higher than the schulze u-force 75 and it needs its heatsink. for running a brushed motor, you may get away with not running a heatsink.

synapse75

06-02-2005, 09:34 AM

lonepalm4

06-02-2005, 10:31 AM

I dont think this would be a good setup for 1/12 racing. The esc still looks to be the largest of the lot. The brushless motor requires an additional wire adding further resistance to rear pod movement. The bulky wire harness would also hinder rear pod movement and would be difficult to fit under the body.

Thanks for the responses, guys. Yeah, it's probably not the ideal setup in terms of weight/balance etc... BUT, I will not go back to running brushless motors under any circumstance. I sold my lathe and all my motors. I'll just have to deal with the heat sink poking out of the body a bit. At least i'll always be fast............................

synapse75

06-02-2005, 12:12 PM

lonepalm4

depending on how quick you need the system, i would suggest holding out for the GM or LRP systems, they would be better suited for a 1/12 scale chassis.

Rookie Solara

06-02-2005, 12:23 PM

Thanks for the responses, guys. Yeah, it's probably not the ideal setup in terms of weight/balance etc... BUT, I will not go back to running brushless motors under any circumstance. I sold my lathe and all my motors. I'll just have to deal with the heat sink poking out of the body a bit. At least i'll always be fast............................

I don't think you have to worry about that....my buddy was using ths SS5800 system on his L4 running against those who used top end equipment that raced national at our local indoor track..............and his SS5800 system does not show any slower........in fact, 8 minutes MOD is a advantage for BL.
It was not easy win for him, but he can run against those 8T easily....all down to whos handle the car better.

thedominator

06-05-2005, 11:08 PM

Heres a picture of the system in a car at the reedy race. looks like a prototype motor though.
http://www.pdubracing.com/RROC%20039s.jpg

http://www.pdubracing.com/photo_gallery.htm

AudiTT-Quattro

06-06-2005, 12:02 AM

I've done the same to my 5800 motor. I turned slots all around the can to give greater surface area for heat dissapition.

Curious though, the use of a fan on the GTB is required?

synapse75

06-06-2005, 10:28 AM

I don't think you have to worry about that....my buddy was using ths SS5800 system on his L4 running against those who used top end equipment that raced national at our local indoor track..............and his SS5800 system does not show any slower........in fact, 8 minutes MOD is a advantage for BL.
It was not easy win for him, but he can run against those 8T easily....all down to whos handle the car better.

the weight of the esc is deffinitely "hampering" the handling compared to if he were running a quantum or gm esc. Also, he probably has to place a counterweight opposite the esc to balance the car. The weight limit for 1/12 is really low and that would be a huge disadvantage.

hooked911

06-07-2005, 11:09 AM

I had a 5800 system and loved it except for the thermal problem. I am in for one of these if they have the thermal thing fixed. I do not want another 200+ dollar smoke bomb.

YR4Dude

06-07-2005, 11:39 AM

OooooooooWeeeeeeeee!!!! Looks like the BL mod classes is gonna fill up after this gets released. I'm sure a lot of guys will leave sportsman or expert stock for this one. What a great way to ditch all the comm lathes, comm sticks, and motor break-in machines. Just that equipement alone will more than pay for this new system let alone the savings in brushes and rebuilds compared to "brushed" mod.

Now if only I can add a two speed and get some 4000mah packs then there may be no longer a need for nitro.

PhilJette

06-07-2005, 12:47 PM

I had a 5800 system and loved it except for the thermal problem. I am in for one of these if they have the thermal thing fixed. I do not want another 200+ dollar smoke bomb.

If your thermalling gear down by one pinion and run a fan. Any brusless ESC will have thermalling issues if improperly geared/cooled.

SS Pede

06-07-2005, 02:17 PM

Also, early SS5800's had a problem with their thermal shutdown. It just wouldn't work, and the ESC would go up in smoke before you knew you had a heat problem. Then they fixed it and over-compensated, so it thermalled too easily. But then Novak got it right, so the SS5800 is no longer a $200 "smoke bomb." I have never used a fan with mine, and it has only thermalled once. It hasn't melted either. :)

ElectricThunder

06-07-2005, 02:59 PM

Rookie Solara

06-07-2005, 05:51 PM

I've done the same to my 5800 motor. I turned slots all around the can to give greater surface area for heat dissapition.

Curious though, the use of a fan on the GTB is required?

For brushless system, the ESC is the one that need FAN and COOL off...not the motor. It is not required, not even required on SS5800, but who like thermal shut off if 1 fan or a duct scoop will prevent that happened?

Rookie Solara

06-07-2005, 05:54 PM

the weight of the esc is deffinitely "hampering" the handling compared to if he were running a quantum or gm esc. Also, he probably has to place a counterweight opposite the esc to balance the car. The weight limit for 1/12 is really low and that would be a huge disadvantage.

Sure, if you are all time NATIONAL racing for the 12th scale.......no one will use the brushless system for the WEIGHT reason...it will only get heavier and heavier, but for sure, not any faster....
But for local club racing........I was saying that is just as good as others...of course, it is NOT a sure win, but at least, the SS5800 was able to hang with those 8T or 9T....now, the GTB, probably even better....

Using BL on 12th scale always has a disadvantage over brush setup, but the margin of disadvantage for average driver like me is NOT as bad as PRO drivers...

AudiTT-Quattro

06-07-2005, 07:33 PM

For brushless system, the ESC is the one that need FAN and COOL off...not the motor. It is not required, not even required on SS5800, but who like thermal shut off if 1 fan or a duct scoop will prevent that happened?
I'm using a 25mm fan on my Super Sport and after a five minute heat, I get higher temperatures at the motor than at the heat sink on the ESC. Turning the motor can is easy to do and it just seemed common sensical.

Jev

06-08-2005, 01:24 PM

For brushless system, the ESC is the one that need FAN and COOL off...not the motor. It is not required, not even required on SS5800, but who like thermal shut off if 1 fan or a duct scoop will prevent that happened?

Sorry Rookie but that information is incorrect. My ss5800 would always shutdown on the last lap(5 mins), I disconnected the blue temperature wire from the motor. It no longer shuts down. Hence the esc was thermaling due to the temperature of the motor. I have run it with the blue wire disconnected for about 8 race meetings with not problems. I just make sure I don't run the car any longer than I have to.

synapse75

06-08-2005, 04:06 PM

You should get a temp gun/probe and watch hot hot it is getting.

gizmoguy303

06-08-2005, 04:15 PM

you can do that with your transmitter easy enough.

If that is the case, then I guess everyone should just buy 6 turn motors and adjust the "power" by their transmitter, huh? ;)

I am not talking about top speed here. I want power adjustability for the same reason racers use different turn motors on different tracks. Acceleration, powerband, amp draw...etc. :)

ElectricThunder

06-08-2005, 04:38 PM

I am not talking about top speed here. I want power adjustability for the same reason racers use different turn motors on different tracks. Acceleration, powerband, amp draw...etc. :)
In THAT case....invest in a set of pinions....:D It'd be nice if a system could do that, but so far no one has that, but some systems have amp limiters, which can limit how much torque is produced.

lonepalm4

06-10-2005, 03:16 PM

ummmm, lets keep this threat at the top where it belongs.....
oh, and I want mine yesterday.

Jev

06-10-2005, 04:35 PM

In THAT case....invest in a set of pinions....:D It'd be nice if a system could do that, but so far no one has that, but some systems have amp limiters, which can limit how much torque is produced.

Yeah I would like an amp limiter too. I find it's cool to be able to gear up a low turn motor and have the amp limiter just a litte below what you normaly use coming out of most of the corners.

Rookie Solara

06-10-2005, 04:43 PM

Sorry Rookie but that information is incorrect. My ss5800 would always shutdown on the last lap(5 mins), I disconnected the blue temperature wire from the motor. It no longer shuts down. Hence the esc was thermaling due to the temperature of the motor. I have run it with the blue wire disconnected for about 8 race meetings with not problems. I just make sure I don't run the car any longer than I have to.

I think you misunderstood my point and the point to have a thermo shut off by novak....and everyone knew Novak did upgrade that pain in the b_tt thermal system to improve the whole thing....without using that blue wire, you are at risk of burning your ESC, of course, it is your call.........if your BL motor geared correctly (which is a very first thing to do with any motor), the temperature of the BL ESC should be higher then the motor.......don't really know why, but that is what I know and venting directly to the ESC or the adding fans blowing wind toward the BL ESC is what most ppl did.

I think I saw a pic of Barry Baker's FR TC4 with the LRP BL system, he has fan blowing toward the speedo as well, not toward the motor...and as most ppl know about brushed motor racing, fans are blowing toward the motor instead of speedo.

Jev

06-10-2005, 06:57 PM

I think you misunderstood my point and the point to have a thermo shut off by novak....and everyone knew Novak did upgrade that pain in the b_tt thermal system to improve the whole thing....without using that blue wire, you are at risk of burning your ESC, of course, it is your call.........if your BL motor geared correctly (which is a very first thing to do with any motor), the temperature of the BL ESC should be higher then the motor.......don't really know why, but that is what I know and venting directly to the ESC or the adding fans blowing wind toward the BL ESC is what most ppl did.

I think I saw a pic of Barry Baker's FR TC4 with the LRP BL system, he has fan blowing toward the speedo as well, not toward the motor...and as most ppl know about brushed motor racing, fans are blowing toward the motor instead of speedo.

Ok fair enough.

At the end of the day, if the novak supersport esc had better fets, I wouldn't need to worry about the heat it generates. I've only ever had the esc shut down due to motor temp, even with no fan on the esc. I run a fan on the esc now just as a precaution.

The heat the esc generates is tiny compared to the motor. So using a 25mm fan to cool the motor is like trying to cook a Sunday roast with a matchstick. Part of my motor heat issue is that I need to over gear the motor to get enough top end speed for racing conditions. But when the ne 5.5 turn comes out I think heat will still be an issue. I think a computer cpu type cooler with a 60mm fan would be a good start. It's a shame the new esc won't have a fan socket, the esc could control fan speed as the motor got hotter.

edit-

just had another idea. Instead of the ecu completely shunting down due to high temps. It go into limp mode. So say you hit thermal peak on the last lap, you could still crawl around to finish the race.

Mustang2

06-14-2005, 02:07 AM

whats the max number of cells can you use for it if you are running a li-po...or th max number of mah..I found a 3 cell li-po batt pack with 4440 mah or what ever it is...can that be used??

BlutoSigPi

06-14-2005, 10:11 AM

Aren't there any charts to tell you which motor would be better suited to what application? 4wd electric mod... 5.5 or 6.5 wind? Any opinions? Is it better to go overkill and detune or... :confused:

WheelNut

06-14-2005, 12:03 PM

I was talking to the guys at High performance distributing in Surrey, BC yesterday and they told me they are expecting to get these in 2-3 weeks. :D

ElectricThunder

06-14-2005, 02:06 PM

whats the max number of cells can you use for it if you are running a li-po...or th max number of mah..I found a 3 cell li-po batt pack with 4440 mah or what ever it is...can that be used??
The system can handle 6 NiCd or NiMH cells, NOT lipo cells. The most lipo cells it could handle would be 2 (which is about 7.4 volts). Capacity doesn't really matter. But consider this, lipos can't be deep discharged. They have a specific cut off voltage per cell, and the novak GTB doesn't have a voltage cut off system, so there's a strong possibility of you wrecking your lipos from deep discharging.

BlutoSigPi- Any of them can probably be used in any application. In the end, your gearing will determine how useful it is. I think it's better to have more than you need, and just dial out the extra throttle (say you get the 5.5, and you run TCs, but it's too powerful for your track, dial the throttle down to say 80%). That's probably one of the better ways of doing things. It'd be nice to have a set of all 4 motors though...:D

Mustang2

06-14-2005, 05:24 PM

well that sucks you can't run li-po..will the 5.5 still be fast with just the regulat batts...Im new to electric and I want to put the 5.5 in my XXX-T

crazyjr

06-14-2005, 06:11 PM

You can run kokam scorpions,they have their own monitoring circutry

ElectricThunder

06-14-2005, 07:00 PM

well that sucks you can't run li-po..will the 5.5 still be fast with just the regulat batts...Im new to electric and I want to put the 5.5 in my XXX-T
Yeah, the 5.5 will be very fast on a pack of GP3300s. The Kv unloaded is probably going to be around 8000, so under load it's probably around 7000 or 6500, which is FAST.

True, you can run the scorpion batteries, but normal packs like kokams can't be run on a system like the Novak. Plus the scorpion battery for cars (3200 mah) is listed as 240-250 bucks I think, realistically it'll probably sell for 200ish, but that's still a lotta dough! :eek:

crazyjr

06-14-2005, 07:21 PM

At FMA Direct sells them for $169.99 and the charger for around $120.00.

crazyjr

06-14-2005, 07:42 PM

I just went to fma's site to verify and it is still the same price ,that is for a 1p2s there is a 2p2s for $299 .both are 7.4V and there are smaller for the micro guys ,all 7.4V.

ElectricThunder

06-14-2005, 08:17 PM

I just went to fma's site to verify and it is still the same price ,that is for a 1p2s there is a 2p2s for $299 .both are 7.4V and there are smaller for the micro guys ,all 7.4V.
Isn't the 2p2s the 3200 pack? last time I checked they had a 250 or so 3200 pack. :eek: Maybe a typo. Thanks for the info. In general though, don't use lipos with the novak unless they come with a cutoff system built in ( like the scorpion)...:D

crazyjr

06-14-2005, 08:23 PM

No, the 3200mah uses two 3200 li-poly cells in series(2s1p) the other pack uses four 3200 li-polyin a series/parallel(2s2p).I don't know why they call it a 3200mah but if you read the text it says it is a 6400mah(the $299 one.

ElectricThunder

06-14-2005, 08:43 PM

Ok, gotcha now. I knew there was a 6400 out there, just didn't read further I suppose. Stupid typo... :eek: Mmmmmmmmk, now we're clear on that! :D

crazyjr

06-14-2005, 09:07 PM

Ok.I'm looking to get some when i can afford it.

LearjetMinako

06-14-2005, 10:07 PM

This is good news. Novak's came out w/ yet another BL system. Hope it compares or is better than the SS5800. As for that thermaling problem, it never happened to me. Stock, no fans, under a buggie body, running pack after pack after pack. It never occuiced, but it did get hot but not enough to where it would burn. I might have to give in again and spend a little pocket change and get the 5.5 BL. Currently w/ the SS5800, my B4 can do ovals @ around 8.0 - 8.5 sec.. Sportman-Trucks (Mod motors around 7-12t) class is around 8.1 - 8.7 sec. So the new Novak BL system should really blow the compantition away. :D

FYI: Limiting throttle on the TX is a good idea but doesn't allow to use full throttle. It limits speed and also throttle (like a throttle restrictor). Ex. when full throttle is appiled only half the power is going to the motor, meaning slower accleration. A rpm limiter would be best. This way you still got the punch and when the motor reaches its rpm, the esc drops the timing.

nicholcgn

06-15-2005, 11:46 AM

I believe that FMA sells a monitoring circuit you could use to protect the system with any lipos. I believe it is in the 30's. There is also a lipo scream that will give you an audible alarm. It has no cut off but that does not mean you can not safely run the lipo's in the rc.

crazyjr

06-15-2005, 06:35 PM

You don't need it with the scorpion.If you have a brushless system with an adjustable cut off you can get a line of kokam packs thet run parallel with the scorpion line but don't have a cut off circut in the airplane line

nicholcgn

06-16-2005, 10:07 AM

Scorpion is to expensive. You can get better packs and buy the cutoff. I can get polyquest packs for 4400's at about $100. Buy 1 or 2 16$ charge guards to use with multiple packes and a cutoff system for each rc. In the end I will save big bucks. They should have made the charge guard and voltage cutoff seperate from the packs to make it a better money deal.

Jev

06-16-2005, 12:06 PM

This is going too far off topic.

Bob, will you team drivers be using off the shelf gtb motors+esc when they are in final production? :)

danjoy25

06-23-2005, 06:14 PM

I read in another forum that Novak was using the GTB speedos with a hotter motor in the Reedy race. Quicker than the 5.5 turns they will be releasing. Hopefully it won't be too long when it comes out as well, fingers cross as it will definitely be closer to a 7 turn brushed. ;)

jocktheglide165

06-24-2005, 08:21 AM

i cant wait to get my hands on one.......

dkj-M3

06-29-2005, 03:49 PM

so does anyone know how the new motors run, compared to a brushed. What does it equal. close to a 10t or 12t, single, double, what? Really thinking about getting one for my BK2 & need to know if it will be competitive at a pro level A-main.

danjoy25

06-29-2005, 09:21 PM

Product is not out yet, My guess is that the Velocity 5.5 will be close to a 8-9 turn brushed if geared correctly.

rideglamis

06-30-2005, 12:35 PM

Regarding the limiting of the throttle issue and limitation of torque. Actually, you can limit the throttle and still have the punch like you were actually giving it full throttle. All you have to do is set up the exponential correctly and it will allow for this. Yet I understand if you don't have a higher end controller, you might not have this option.

I have seen that system run at socal and it seems fast enough. Personally I don't know what motor was beeing run.. the 5.5 or the higher number, but it didn't look to shabby to me. They seemed to do pretty well at the ready race... and think about it... if it was a reedy race, there had a to be a few lrp and reedy combos on someones car, yet it seems novak took the wins as far as I know. Generally speaking, most of the 2 wheel buggies run 12 turns and 4 wheel run 10's and brushless. Now with this new one from novak.. I think we will start seeing more brushless in 2 wheel since it seems the old system lacked the speed of an off the shelf 12 turn. If anyone knows where I place one on order.. post it please.

danjoy25

06-30-2005, 07:41 PM

Please note that Charlie from Novak quoted " we were running hotter motors in the Reedy race" so the 5.5 might be slower to what you have seen.

lonepalm4

07-13-2005, 08:01 AM

I'm gettin pretty wired......it's almost the end of july!!!!!!!!!!!!
If thier estimate is right, I should have a gtb in my grubby hands soon!!!!
Can't wait!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D

ElectricThunder

07-13-2005, 10:07 PM

I'm gettin pretty wired......it's almost the end of july!!!!!!!!!!!!
If thier estimate is right, I should have a gtb in my grubby hands soon!!!!
Can't wait!! :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D :D
Hey, that's WAY too many smileys for this board bud....keep it clean....:D

Don't get your hopes up though, so far every system in RC hasn't come out when the company says it will. We're still waiting for the LRP/Reedy system..... :eek:

danjoy25

07-14-2005, 02:02 AM

Hey, that's WAY too many smileys for this board bud....keep it clean....:D

Don't get your hopes up though, so far every system in RC hasn't come out when the company says it will. We're still waiting for the LRP/Reedy system..... :eek:

got a reply from Charlie from Novak a few days ago and that they are 98% there so fingers cross guys. Sold my Uforce for these baby :p

BhamBrent

07-14-2005, 10:44 AM

Thats good to hear :D....Thanks for the up date! :D

AudiTT-Quattro

07-14-2005, 01:14 PM

got a reply from Charlie from Novak a few days ago and that they are 98% there so fingers cross guys. Sold my Uforce for these baby :p
That's what NASA said. ;)

It's great to finally see something new, you know, with LRP/Reedy dragging their feet for the last year or so.

ElectricThunder

07-14-2005, 02:23 PM

got a reply from Charlie from Novak a few days ago and that they are 98% there so fingers cross guys. Sold my Uforce for these baby :p
That's great! I had a feeling Novak would come through on this. You sold your Uforce though? :eek: :eek: :eek: I personally woulda kept that sucker. Anyone heard anything about the testing they've done with the newer rotor/endbell in the 5800? That may be a cheap power upgrade to hold me over...:D:D:D

TheSteve

07-16-2005, 01:18 AM

Last I heard shipping would begin first week of August.

jocktheglide165

07-16-2005, 01:30 AM

Please note that Charlie from Novak quoted " we were running hotter motors in the Reedy race" so the 5.5 might be slower to what you have seen.

whats that suppose to mean slower than a 5.5 brushed? oh that stinks then.....

Legend_Car

07-16-2005, 01:51 AM

it will run 10th scale vehicles rite?

Jev

07-16-2005, 05:14 AM

Yes, it's 540 sized.

It is not a toy though. If you try to use one of these motors in a bottom of the range tamiya it will tear the drive train apart in no time.

Bob or Charlie, is it on schedule for early august release?

whats that suppose to mean slower than a 5.5 brushed? oh that stinks then.....

I had a chat with Craig Drecher at a national. He said the one he was testing may have been lower than 5.5 turn but wasn't sure. He said it was better than his best brushed motor. So I'm sure a 5.5 turn will be about the speed of a good 8 turn modified.

ElectricThunder

07-16-2005, 09:49 PM

it will run 10th scale vehicles rite?
Yes, but you have to be careful as to what you use it in..and expect to rebuild ball diffs more often if you put it in something with ball diffs...:D

hooked911

07-21-2005, 05:34 PM

ElectricThunder

07-21-2005, 05:36 PM

Can some one tell me if you can set modes on this motor like you could with the older 5800 system. I liked being able to get different power ratings out of the same motor. I mean ya can always get the power of a 5.5 to the ground. There should be a way to tone it down some.
I think there's certain programmable parameters such as max brake, max throttle, drag brake, etc. I'm not sure if there's something like a "sportsman mode" on it though.

jocktheglide165

07-21-2005, 06:13 PM

i hope its out end of july cause I sold my ss5800 for this....

ElectricThunder

07-21-2005, 06:48 PM

i hope its out end of july cause I sold my ss5800 for this....
Tower says late july, so we can only hope. Imagine if it does come in late july....that'd be a first!:D

jocktheglide165

07-22-2005, 01:40 PM

I was thinking if the SS5800 can do 7 cells and the new ones can do only 6 cells would the SS5800 be faster on 7 cells as opposed to the new ones on 6 numbers wise?

ElectricThunder

07-22-2005, 09:37 PM

It depends on Kv under load. The 5800 is around 4400-4000 RPM/V under load I'd guess. Now, these newer motors, let's take the 5.5 for example, are probably something like 6000-7000 RPM/V (just a guess). You also have to take into account that the GTB motors have stronger magnets, meaning more torque, which gives way to higher gearing and more top end. So my verdict, I have NO clue. They should be very decently fast though, especially on a good GP 3300 or 3700 pack....:D

Buggyracer28

07-22-2005, 10:57 PM

Whoever gets one should make a video, so everyone else can see the speed of this thing. I might get one for my tc3, but I don't want to spend $150 on a motor/esc that doesn't make my car hella-fast..

jocktheglide165

07-23-2005, 06:59 AM

if you want hella fast you should get a non-sensored one then...

Jev

07-23-2005, 07:02 AM

jocktheglide165

07-23-2005, 11:19 AM

Non-sensored does not make brushless motors any faster. The new novak should be as fast if not faster than any sensorless combo, and it will have much smoother initial acceleration. If you wanted anymore speed you would should go to a larger sized motor and/or more cells.

heh your the first to say such things I know I been in a lot of arguemnts with non and sensored and 99% of the time everyone is against me to say that a sensored is just as fast as non. :) even the folks who sell the non-sonsored along with sensored say the nons are faster.

ElectricThunder

07-23-2005, 11:23 AM

Non-sensored does not make brushless motors any faster. The new novak should be as fast if not faster than any sensorless combo, and it will have much smoother initial acceleration. If you wanted anymore speed you would should go to a larger sized motor and/or more cells.
Finally, someone with sense! Sensored and sensorless have one difference....one has a sensor, the other doesn't. The aveox RC7 motor was a 4 pole sensored motor that spun about 4000 Kv and was EXTREMELY powerful. It could power an Emax quite easily. So uhhh...no more sensored is more powerful than sensorless...:D And don't forget, the novak 5800 is a "sport" system, so it's not meant to compete with high powered crazy stuff. [/end rant] :D

jocktheglide165

07-23-2005, 11:28 AM

oh yeah I agree he is right, but now try to convince the sellers the non are just as fast as sensored thats the hard part I been bashed pretty hard on another forum saying which is better.

ElectricThunder

07-23-2005, 11:44 AM

oh yeah I agree he is right, but now try to convince the sellers the non are just as fast as sensored thats the hard part I been bashed pretty hard on another forum saying which is better.
The convincing factor comes in to play when you beat them on the track with your "pitiful" 5800...:D

PCC

07-23-2005, 11:53 AM

Anyone heard anything about the testing they've done with the newer rotor/endbell in the 5800? That may be a cheap power upgrade to hold me over...:D:D:D
Can anyone elaborate on this? I have two 5800s and I really don't want to sell these to buy newer systems.

ElectricThunder

07-23-2005, 01:14 PM

Mmmmmk. The GTB motors use different (read, stronger) magnets on their rotors. Now, these rotors need new endbells with larger bearings because the shaft is basically a larger shaft, that's been lathed down to 3mm at the end where the pinion goes on. Sooooo, if they release the GTB endbell w/bearing and new replacement rotor, putting that into the SS5800 will probably give it a bit more power, and certainly more torque because of the stronger magnets, but it may sacrifice RPM.

Buggyracer28

07-23-2005, 11:24 PM

what do you mean by sensored and sensorless? I have no clue what that means? Sorry, I just got into electric... Im a nitro guy :D

ElectricThunder

07-23-2005, 11:39 PM

what do you mean by sensored and sensorless? I have no clue what that means? Sorry, I just got into electric... Im a nitro guy :D
Mmmmmk, so the thing that has a thing inside it that spins (we call this a MOTOR :D) well, some have little orange doohickeys called sensors, so the speed control can sense where the rotor (the spinny thingy) is. Now, sensorless has NO sensors, so the speed controller must rely on the phase that is off to send information to the speed control, basically making the ESC "guess" where the rotor is. Sensored also has the advantage of being smoother (generally, but sensorless is gettin there too), and can have a temp. probe for thermal shutdown, blah blah blah. :D

PCC

07-24-2005, 01:45 PM

Thanks, ElectricThunder.

ElectricThunder

07-24-2005, 09:19 PM

Thanks, ElectricThunder.
No problem. Now what would you do without me roaming around these boards at 1am? :eek: :D (I need a life, or more RCs, donate to the ET needs a life fund please....:D:D:D:D:D)

Kyosho Fan

07-25-2005, 12:48 PM

Last week of July......anybody know, is Novak still on track ? I hate being a backorder :D

ElectricThunder

07-25-2005, 10:27 PM

Last week of July......anybody know, is Novak still on track ? I hate being a backorder :D
Dunno, should be interesting to see what happens once July 30th-ish rolls around (ie-will it be in stock). Think it may be time to shoot Novak an email?

Buggyracer28

07-26-2005, 02:27 AM

Thanks ET!

CharlieS

07-27-2005, 04:30 PM

I'll save you the time, as I've received a few emails on the "end of July" topic and many calls. Nope, won't be shipping within the next 3 days. How long will the delay be........ you guessed it, I don't know for sure. If I had to make a good guess, a week or more at least.

The good news is, we've been doing testing actively and it's been working great, no problems other then waiting on the last 3% of little parts and bits.

The SS motors can be upgraded to the Velociti style rotor and endbell(When these parts become available), but we've only done basic testing with the SS ESC. Meaning it works, but we don't know if it will hold up for "all" applications. It will improve performance, but more power means less runtime and more heat as a general rule of thumb.

I'm sure these questions will follow:

The SS5800 IS AN 8.5turn motor, most have reported that it's equivelant to a 12 turn regular motor. So add about 4turns for your equivelant.

The Velociti motors have better magnets so they are bit quicker yet. We expect the 5.5R to be about like a 8-9turn, and the 6.5 to be about like a 9-10turn. Since the Power is different, it's hard to make a direct comparison. Generally, our motors have much more mid-range, or "Rip", then regular motors.

I can't wait for the day when we can just talk about how fast a motor is in regular brushless winds. So how fast is it.... It's a brushless 5.5 turn..... Oh to dream....... :)

Thanks Guys.
Charlie

ElectricThunder

07-27-2005, 09:45 PM

suckfish

07-28-2005, 10:18 AM

ElectricThunder

07-28-2005, 01:53 PM

Well I got to see them(with the new magnets and endbell) race at the nationals this past weekend. You can beleive Charlie when he says they have more low end torque. Cant wait till they are available i'm in for one... Hey Charlie if your still out their are their any chances of getting new switches for my two ss5800... As both have broken off.. And I beleive you got to marshall my car at the track too.. you guys were all awesome to race with.. Bob
On road or offroad? (not a racer myself...lol) Hmmm, torque eh? That means taller gearing.... :D :D As for the switch, maybe just solder the black and red wire together to complete the circuit. Or you can just get two of these:

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXBJ86&P=7

AudiTT-Quattro

07-28-2005, 03:05 PM

If you have the older systems with the tiny switches, Novak has since upgraded them to bigger switches on the newer systems.

Jev

07-28-2005, 03:17 PM

I'm a little disapointed with the delays, but I was expecting them. I know how things can get held up when mass producing products on that scale.

My ss5800 switch broke too. I like the way you can inplug the switch lead on the gtb.

CharlieS

07-28-2005, 05:15 PM

Hey guys,

Thanks for the interest. The Motors that we "raced" at the nats were not Velociti Motors as that would have been against the Rules. They were actually simply lower turn SS style motors. The Velociti Motors would have even more power. For that track probably would have been a bad thing.

SF--You should have brought your ESC over to me, I'd have gladly installed a new switch. I put on fans, rewire ESCs, clean them, and what ever else we can do at the events we attend. I think I worked on at least 3-4 SS Equipped Vehicles.

You can purchase a replacement Switch (Novak #5600) through just about any hobby shop(they should all be the new larger switch), or you can use any small switch and solder it to the leads.

ET- It was the Roar Modified Offroad Nationals.

Thanks Guys
Charlie

ElectricThunder

07-28-2005, 06:29 PM

Thanks Charlie. So these velociti motors should be killer. I hate to compare, but would the 5.5R motor be similar to say a lehner 5300 or Hacker C40 6 or 7 turn? :D

Rtsbasic

07-28-2005, 06:46 PM

A sensored system that matches the power of a Lehner Basic 5300 or C40 6s would be more than fast enough for a lot of people. If its that fast I wouldn't hesitate to recommend it to some people I know currently looking into the Mtroniks brushless combo's. If only it could be ran on 7 or 8 cells, thats where the real power comes in, and one reason I won't even think of buying one. I hope in the future you release an updated ESC to handle upto 8-10 cells on the lower winds.

CharlieS

07-28-2005, 07:49 PM

If we do a non racing Hi Power system higher cell counts will be likely. Also, the motors will work with the HV ESC, I just don't know how the motors will hold up and for how long. But for racing applications only 6 cells are allowed for what we're going for, hence the 4-6 cell rating.

ET- To be honest, I don't know how it'll compare to those motors. From what people have told me about them, the new Velociti motors should be a fair bit quicker, and drive much better. But I've never run myself so I can't speak from experience. I know the GTB system works great, and has a ton of power compared to the SS.

Thanks Guys
Charlie

ElectricThunder

07-28-2005, 08:03 PM

suckfish

07-29-2005, 08:00 AM

Thanks Charlie, yes I should have brought it over... yeah the shop didnt have any switches but do have them on order..

Rtsbasic

07-29-2005, 10:44 AM

Never thought of a HV esc with a GTB motor..could a HV handle the amp load of these low wind motors? Even a 5.5 wind should be good for 7 or 8 cells if the build quality is similar to other brushless motors. Hmmm shame I've already put £140 into sensorless kit.

I understand and perfectly agree with you targeting 6 cells only as thats what we race with, and 4 cells for 1:12, but when it comes to bashing and sometimes racing in anything goes classes its not uncommon to see upto 10 cells being used here in the UK. I run 7 cells almost all the time, feels soo slow going back to 6 cells sometimes :)

Thanks for your response.

ElectricThunder

07-29-2005, 01:22 PM

Rtsbasic

07-29-2005, 03:13 PM

Due to the amount of revs lost when put under the load of pushing my heavy truck wheels it wouldn't overrev the motor, thats for sure. It needs 7 cells to be able to push the gearing I have to run with them without feeling sluggish :) Although probably too fast for a touring car..as a general rule a quality brushless motor (sensorless, 2 pole) can be ran upto 50-55K rpm before any risk of problems. Better quality ones like Lehner, Hacker etc even more. Although its not very efficent past about 45K rpm. I've ran a Mtroniks "plasma sport" 4400kv on 12 cells, about 60K rpm, it has about the same power as the SS5800 on 6 cells, on 12 though it seriously shifts.

Farwar

08-02-2005, 03:15 PM

Any updates yet? I'm looking forward to this coming out. :D

ElectricThunder

08-02-2005, 03:24 PM

Any updates yet? I'm looking forward to this coming out. :D
Tower says it'll be in Early August. That means they're probably shipping them out now. :D I want the rotor/endbell upgrade to come out soon...:(

synapse75

08-03-2005, 01:17 AM

Charlie
were you at the 91 IFMAR world warm-up in detroit?

I thought the 5800 had neo-dynium magnets, how are the magnets in the new motors better?

ElectricThunder

08-03-2005, 12:16 PM

I thought the 5800 had neo-dynium magnets, how are the magnets in the new motors better?

They do, they're just a weaker grade probably. And if they're not neos, they're probably ferrites. But I think they're weaker grade neos. :eek:

BhamBrent

08-04-2005, 12:18 PM

HOW MUCH LONGER :confused: :mad: !

ElectricThunder

08-04-2005, 05:16 PM

HOW MUCH LONGER :confused: :mad: !
Expect tower to have them in the middle of august probably. Patience is a virtue. We're lucky these things are supposedly shipping around this time. The sphere/neo setup is FINALLY starting to pop up when it was due to be out a WHILE ago.

GroundPounder30

08-05-2005, 02:40 PM

ElectricThunder

08-05-2005, 02:54 PM

Plus, I'd rather wait a little longer now, and let them work out any bugs, instead of get the system and have it crap out on me right away, and have to send it back for repair or replacement. That said, its getting harder and harder to be patient!!!
That's why I waited almost a year to get the 5800.:D This way I got a buggy free system, and all I had to do was shim the rotor myself and BAM, beautiful system.

GroundPounder30

08-05-2005, 06:31 PM

Yeah, I'm just not patient enough to wait a year!

ElectricThunder

08-05-2005, 11:07 PM

Yeah, I'm just not patient enough to wait a year!
Welcome to the world of RC...enjoy your stay....:D.

Kyosho Fan

08-09-2005, 02:23 PM

Patience is a virtue

Very true....Tower just switched from "early August" back to "on order". Food for the impatient :). My problem is that I drive outdoors in a "mid"-wheather country. Until late Sep/beg. of October I can drive outside. Arrival end of August reduces the usable remaining season down to 8 week-ends...maximum......oh wow :cool: .

DaveG35

08-10-2005, 01:25 PM

Tower now lists the GTB arrival as "Early September". LOL

Kyosho Fan

08-10-2005, 01:57 PM

Lol...means "real" arrival rather around end of September, there goes my outdoor season...lol...

I work myself in the CE industry and know about "phase in" / "phase out" products, roadmaps, first to market, CR, etc......and I have a big nose too...I really should have noticed the smell :D......Looks like Santa still has all the chances :cool:

ElectricThunder

08-10-2005, 04:19 PM

:D......Looks like Santa still has all the chances :cool:
werd.. :cool:

BhamBrent

08-15-2005, 01:01 PM

September :mad: of what :confused: 2010!

Sounds like a Kentucky fried mouse to me. :rolleyes:

ElectricThunder

08-15-2005, 05:45 PM

September :mad: of what :confused: 2010!

Sounds like a Kentucky fried mouse to me. :rolleyes:
If you haven't noticed by now, a lot of things get delayed in the RC world. And if anything, it's to work out the minor bugs and glitches so that they can deliver a problem free (or closer to problem free) product to the consumer (you and I). And you can't go off of tower. They could be filling backorders. :eek:

BhamBrent

08-15-2005, 08:09 PM

If you haven't noticed by now, a lot of things get delayed in the RC world. And if anything, it's to work out the minor bugs and glitches so that they can deliver a problem free (or closer to problem free) product to the consumer (you and I). And you can't go off of tower. They could be filling backorders. :eek:

RC world lol. Here in the real world when you say something coming out at so & so time it should...........

And if you can't, just say so. Don't keep doing this end of July, 1st of Aus., end of Aus., sometime in Sept. :eek: Thats what makes me so unhappy about this...............

Just say whats the problem is? Thats not to much to ask when your going to send over $200.00 for a product....... :D

ElectricThunder

08-15-2005, 08:54 PM

RC world lol. Here in the real world when you say something coming out at so & so time it should...........

And if you can't, just say so. Don't keep doing this end of July, 1st of Aus., end of Aus., sometime in Sept. :eek: Thats what makes me so unhappy about this...............

Just say whats the problem is? Thats not to much to ask when your going to send over $200.00 for a product....... :D
:D Things in the "real world" don't come out on time (depending on the product). There may be no problems, it could just be that tower has tons of backorders. Maybe novak shipped late. Yadda yadda yadda. O what a wonderful RC world we live in....errr....I mean world...yeah. :D

BhamBrent

08-15-2005, 11:49 PM

;) ;) :D :D

DaveG35

08-16-2005, 04:43 PM

You've probably heard the phrase, "Any PR is good PR". Welcome to the world of marketing boys. Castle Creations is running full page ads on its new Mamba Maxx as if they are available and it's not going to ship for at least another 2 months. At least Novak isn't advertising it yet.

egarnaat

08-17-2005, 08:20 AM

Hey it's getting close, check out Novak's site (http://teamnovak.com/products/brushless/gtb_system/index.html)
they have actual pics of the system.

tracer

08-17-2005, 12:36 PM

Hey it's getting close, check out Novak's site (http://teamnovak.com/products/brushless/gtb_system/index.html)
they have actual pics of the system.

Well, now we know why there were delays.
Old pictures: no fan
New pictures: fan

Overheating problems it seems.

Farwar

08-17-2005, 01:10 PM

That's a good sign with the new pictures. Hopefully they have finished it and that's the final product. Hope they start shipping them out soon.

Jev

08-17-2005, 04:55 PM

That's a good sign with the new pictures. Hopefully they have finished it and that's the final product. Hope they start shipping them out soon.

It's had a fan on it for a long time. The one Craig Drescher showed me at the start of June was like that.

CharlieS

08-17-2005, 07:56 PM

We've always intended to have a fan on it, but the color wasn't right so they didn't show the early "sample" fans we had.

It will fit a B4 and XXX buggy body with the fan directly on the heatsink. There is actually just a bit of room obove the fan. We ran them like this at the Offroad Nats on the Losi Car. It was a bit close for comfort on the B4, so we put the fan in front of the ESC blowing back at it.

I'm a big fan of Not telling anyone about products until they are literally shipping out the door, but I've never in my life seen any company or product be released in that way.

With the 5.5 and 6.5 motors I really don't expect any heating issues from the ESCs as all.

Thanks
Charlie

ElectricThunder

08-17-2005, 09:46 PM

I'm liking the fan idea coming with the ESC. I won't have to ghetto-rig a small computer fan like I have on my 5800.....:D

viet_mafia

08-18-2005, 02:59 AM

hey, would any of you guys know the RPM/v or the kv ratings for these two velociti systems?

ElectricThunder

08-18-2005, 04:35 PM

hey, would any of you guys know the RPM/v or the kv ratings for these two velociti systems?
I'm estimating anywhere from 8k-9k per volt for the 5.5 and 7k-8k per volt for the 6.5, neither one under load. It'd make sense because the neo 1 is a 7.5 turn motor and has about 6000 kv, the 5800 is 8.5 turns and 5800 kv (not under load, realistically it's about 4000-4300 under load or so). So yeah, that's my guesses.

GroundPounder30

08-18-2005, 05:01 PM

GroundPounder30

08-18-2005, 05:03 PM

Well, now we know why there were delays.
Old pictures: no fan
New pictures: fan

Overheating problems it seems.
The fan thing isn't a new issue, I've been hearing for a long time that the esc would include a fan.

gixxer

08-20-2005, 06:21 PM

Charlie,

Would there be a recommended gearing for losi and associated trucks and buggies? If i were to put in a XXXT would i get a 5.5 or 6.6 for Top speed? What is the max rpm with 6 cells?

CharlieS

08-22-2005, 04:49 PM

There's a gear chart in the box, I'm sure we'll have it posted on the website soon. We gear them a bit lower then their "regular" equivelent in most cases, 1 or 2 teeth lower then a 9 turn or 10 turn. But No Magic Gear will be right for "ALL" tracks. Everything will be a little different from my experience, depends on the driver, the car, and the track quite a bit.

I've never liked quoting "top speeds" so I won't start now. But if you gear them up to Blast up and down the street, it will be more then fast enough.

As for KT and KV ratings, it's kind of Unlikely we or any other of the Car BL motor manufactures will rate with KT or KV any longer. Problem is they are calculations based on size specs, not measurements in most cases. So they can be "fudged" a lot and taken the wrong way. Also, these numbers are used to compare to motors that don't meet the guidelines these motors do, so they are used the wrong. So to avoide the Rating War in yet another catagory, it Looks like we'll just be listing "turns" , just like regular motors. Not the Equivelent, but the Actual Turns of the motor.

Thanks
Charlie

Jev

08-22-2005, 05:10 PM

Hi Charlie, that interview made me laugh. "Brushless for Dummies" :)

It would be cool if you could produce a few output and effiency graphs of the various motors. I'm sure the tech guys could rig something up. You could also use them as a basis for testing future developments.

CharlieS

08-22-2005, 07:42 PM

I don't think any engineers will sign off on a chart to quote their motor's efficiency over another. In the same respect, nobody wants to be the first to put it in print as the second guy can make his look better. It sounds stupid, but its very true, the slightest misprints or bad specs make such a problem long term.

Motors don't have to be that technical. It's about this fast with this much RPM is usually more then enough. The rest is just used for "bench Racing". If you need more motor, you put in a faster one, if you need less, put in a slower one. Simple right.... :)

This will have to come from an independant source that isn't affraid to get yelled at by engineers. There is a lot to measuring motors with repeated accuracy from one test to the next over several different products.

I haven't heard the interview yet, I mean I was there when it happened, but my stupid crapentosh won't play that one. It plays others, but not that one. Tried to download a player, but crapentosh won't allow..... Sometimes I hate computers.

ElectricThunder

08-22-2005, 07:47 PM

Computers will rule the world!!!! :D:D:D

Anyways, hey Charlie. Any word on when everything (including the rotor/endbell upgrade, this is my first step:)) will be ready to go and out in the stores? And how big is the fan mounted on the GTB? :confused:

KylefromVA

08-23-2005, 09:57 AM

They have pic's of the fan mounted on the esc.
http://www.teamnovak.com/products/brushless/gtb_system/index.html
Charlie-how much taller is the GTB esc with the fan mounted then a Super Sport esc without a fan?
Any update on when we'll see this bad boy?

CharlieS

08-23-2005, 11:34 AM

Fan is a 30x30x8, the GTB with the Fan Directly On the Heat Sink is just a touch shorter then the SS I beleive. I don't have one in front of me at the moment to compare.

No update on times of release of the new System, or the new parts... Sorry guys. :(

But I've seen them floating around in my passes through the building so It looks like we are getting very close...... :)

ElectricThunder

08-23-2005, 05:18 PM

But I've seen them floating around in my passes through the building so It looks like we are getting very close...... :)
That or ya'll are just playing around with your not yet released systems...:p :D. Thanks for the info Charlie.

BhamBrent

08-29-2005, 02:00 PM

No update on times of release of the new System, or the new parts... Sorry guys. :(

What new parts?

CharlieS

08-29-2005, 06:48 PM

Accesory parts, endbell, rotor/bearing.

Systems should start shipping any day now. I saw a big huge box of them get wheeled around the corner today.

AudiTT-Quattro

08-29-2005, 07:01 PM

So Charlie, how about that exchange program to allow the SS5800 guys to swap in their systems with some cash for the GTB systems? ;)

ElectricThunder

08-29-2005, 07:29 PM

I errr.... second Audi's proposal...:D

BhamBrent

08-30-2005, 12:31 AM

Good to here :D .

Thanks for the info.

newracer

08-30-2005, 01:46 AM

So Charlie, how about that exchange program to allow the SS5800 guys to swap in their systems with some cash for the GTB systems? ;)
I already asked Novak customer service about this, won't happen for at least 9 months after the GTB is released.

Jev

08-30-2005, 03:44 AM

So Charlie, how about that exchange program to allow the SS5800 guys to swap in their systems with some cash for the GTB systems? ;)

Stick it on ebay, I'm sure you'd get more for it there.

Laterilus

08-30-2005, 08:47 AM

I'm torn right now between the sphere and the gtb. I'm sure this has been asked before, but I don't want to read through the last seven pages. Can the GTB run other brushless motors like the neo 1?

KylefromVA

08-30-2005, 09:43 AM

I'm torn right now between the sphere and the gtb. I'm sure this has been asked before, but I don't want to read through the last seven pages. Can the GTB run other brushless motors like the neo 1?
Yes... although I don't know why you'd want to run the Neo 1. The Novak Velociti motors are 5.5 and 6.5 turns, while the Neo 1 is a 7.5 turn motor.

nicholcgn

08-30-2005, 10:34 AM

Why would you want to run the neo1? Same reason I would run a 5800 in some instances. They do it in brushed motors also. If the track is small and tight or just extremely poor traction to much motor can be worse than not enough.

I hope the GTB is out soon. I am interested in trying it. I loved the SS. Have to say I like the limiting on the ss so that I can use it to practice stock. Guess I will have to buy a 4300.

CharlieS

08-30-2005, 11:48 AM

You know, seems there is a common thinking that we offer upgrades, or cheap exchanges to better items. For as long as I've worked here, that has never been the case.... not even a little. We only do the RMF exchange for the same items. The New Item Replacments that we offer are typically priced right around 10-20$ cheaper then a hobby shop sells for. New Releases are never available for that exchange until at least 6-8months after the release.

This is done to help the hobby shops and avoide long delays with service items.

So there will be no SS to GTB upgrade program, nor a SS to Velociti upgrade.

Thanks
Charlie

AudiTT-Quattro

08-30-2005, 12:54 PM

Good to know Charlie! You do good work, keep it up bud. Novak has always been really good at warranty for their products (way more than any other R/C company).

I guess I'm gonna stick my SS5800 systems up on eBay right now while the market value is still high (not when the new system comes out).

ElectricThunder

08-30-2005, 07:58 PM

O well, I'll just get the new rotor and endbell. That should hold me over for a little longer till the GTB comes out (I'm waiting for tower to have one of those sale thingies that'll take 30 bucks off the price or something, GTB for less!....:D). This way I can have a "velociti 8.5" kinda, AND a 5.5 or 6.5....:D

jocktheglide165

08-30-2005, 10:50 PM

does anyone know if the GTB are more powerful as in speed in the same car on 6 cells vs the super sport on 7 cells?

CharlieS

08-31-2005, 10:45 AM

The GTB will be better then the SS on 7 cells.

CharlieS

08-31-2005, 02:08 PM

Oh, I forgot, check out the Novak homepage, it's official, we've started shipping.

BhamBrent

08-31-2005, 02:36 PM

CharlieS,

:eek: You just made my day! :D :D

Thanks for the update,

ElectricThunder

08-31-2005, 04:44 PM

The GTB will be better then the SS on 7 cells.
Music to my ears....:D

schenck77

08-31-2005, 07:24 PM

Oh, I forgot, check out the Novak homepage, it's official, we've started shipping.

sweet, now I will just have to wait for tower to fill my order and then decide if I am going to keep the gtb or the sphere.

AudiTT-Quattro

08-31-2005, 07:49 PM

For me, it's not that hard of a decision. Just because of the warranty and customer support, I'm going with the Novak system. Novak's customer support is second to none. Period.

schenck77

08-31-2005, 08:31 PM

true novaks customer support is great. Its just that I already have the reedy so I will wait and test them both out and go from there. Its the first lrp I have owned and from what I hear they have really good support too.

jocktheglide165

09-01-2005, 02:39 AM

Oh, I forgot, check out the Novak homepage, it's official, we've started shipping.

holy cow you made my day also man music to my ears...

JakeE

09-01-2005, 06:50 PM

Both the 5.5 and 6.5 systems are in stock (in limited quantities) at Tower.

GroundPounder30

09-01-2005, 09:23 PM

Don't get too excited just yet, if you don't have a system backordered it may still be awhile before you'll be able to get your hands on one. Heck, even if you do have one on backorder, it may be a bit. I've been backordered since July 2nd, and haven't had any kind of notification yet. They'll fill the backorders first, before they are actually available for regular order. That's why I don't get why the site says "in stock." Maybe they got in a huge shipment, enough to fill all backorders, and still have some left order. I sure hope so!

chrispattinson

09-03-2005, 05:44 AM

ElectricThunder

09-03-2005, 11:27 AM

I race at a club which limits motors to 19x 1 (spec class racing). Is there a built in mode in the speedo which would allow racers to compete with limited power, independant of the radio gear they are using?
The SS has a "sportsman" mode that limits it to 24,000 rpm, but I'm not sure if the GTB has that (don't remember).

TypeR 126

09-03-2005, 12:23 PM

FWIW, I orded a 5.5 from Tower on Thursday and it shipped out on Friday. Gotta love those $25 off specials. :D

AudiTT-Quattro

09-03-2005, 12:27 PM

The SS has a "sportsman" mode that limits it to 24,000 rpm, but I'm not sure if the GTB has that (don't remember).
It doesn't. Charlie said something about it being inefficient even on the SS controller.

BhamBrent

09-03-2005, 01:04 PM

FWIW, I orded a 5.5 from Tower on Thursday and it shipped out on Friday. Gotta love those $25 off specials. :D

:eek: :eek:,
Did you have it on back order? :confused: Or did you just call and oreder it? :confused:

I backorder one from tower back in July. And have not heard anything from them yet. :(

elcid4300

09-03-2005, 01:07 PM

:eek: :eek:,
Did you have it on back order? :confused: Or did you just call and oreder it? :confused:

I backorder one from tower back in July. And have not heard anything from them yet. :(

I read somewhere that there were mistakes with backorders not being filled, some kind of a mixup with warehouses was what I heard. Call Tower to get the lowdown. If that is the case, which seeing your case it obviously was, I would be a little upset.

BhamBrent

09-03-2005, 01:14 PM

I would be a little upset.

LOL,

A little upset. That nice way to put it. lol

Thanks, for the info I'll give them a call. :D :D

TypeR 126

09-03-2005, 03:33 PM

:eek: :eek:,
Did you have it on back order? :confused: Or did you just call and oreder it? :confused:

I backorder one from tower back in July. And have not heard anything from them yet. :(

No back-order here. Just went to the website and placed my order. I had a coupon code that I received a few weeks back, so I used that too. Easy peasy.

gixxer

09-06-2005, 02:39 PM

FWIW, I orded a 5.5 from Tower on Thursday and it shipped out on Friday. Gotta love those $25 off specials. :D

It is really shipped out? Tower is giving me crap that none of the orders are shipped and I want to prove them otherwise.

They are saying all of the orders are retracked.

Thanks,

GroundPounder30

09-06-2005, 02:50 PM

Here's what happened with backordered systems, as I've been told anyway. Tower has two warehouses, Reno, NV and Champaign, IL. Reno received their initial order, and filled their backorders with some systems to spare. Champaign has not received their order yet. So, anyone, myself included, who had backordered the system, and who gets their items shipped from Champaign, hasn't had their backorder filled. When I called and found all this out, I had them go ahead and send me a system from Reno, which will take longer, but the lady couldn't tell me when Champaign would get their order and start shipping. So, I figure it will still be quicker. They still have some of the 6.5's in stock in Reno, but none of the 5.5's. Again, this is what I was told by tower, if anyone had their backorder filled out of Champaign, IL let us know. I would guess they cover most all of the U.S. east of the Mississippi, or something like that.

One positive thing though, with re-doing the order I was able to get an extra $30.00 off with a promotional code.

TypeR 126

09-06-2005, 02:59 PM

That would make sense. I'm in Califonria, so the majority of my orders (including this one) ship from Reno. It's usually a one day trip with standard ground service! :D

gixxer

09-06-2005, 07:16 PM

That would make sense. I'm in Califonria, so the majority of my orders (including this one) ship from Reno. It's usually a one day trip with standard ground service! :D

So did they send your order? Got tracking number?

TypeR 126

09-06-2005, 07:20 PM

Yes, I received a shipping confirmation email with a USPS tracking number.

BhamBrent

09-06-2005, 07:26 PM

GrundPounder30,

ElectricThunder

09-06-2005, 08:58 PM

TypeR 126

09-06-2005, 09:20 PM

Look what made it to my door step today! :D ;)

http://www.donkeymotorsports.com/images/STi/Novak.jpg

ElectricThunder

09-06-2005, 09:22 PM

Look what made it to my door step today! :D ;)

http://www.donkeymotorsports.com/images/STi/Novak.jpg
That looks o so yummy....:D I'll give you 2 bucks for it! ;) :D

GroundPounder30

09-06-2005, 09:27 PM

Yes, its on its way, and I'm getting the 5.5

Farwar

09-06-2005, 10:05 PM

TypeR get out there and test it! :D I want to know how this performs as i'm looking to get it. You lucky duck.

OFFLEASH

09-07-2005, 07:00 PM

I really do not like the Tower Hobbies customer support. i havent even gotten the motor yet and they are already making me mad. yesterday i called Tower and this guy said that the motor shipment was coming on thursday. and he said i should get it cause i was high on the list. i forgot to ask what number i was. so today i called back and asked and they lady said that we get no information on where you are on the list. then i asked her when we tower was getting the motors and she said maybe sometime in october. *** why cant they just tell me the truth on when it should be coming. Its not like it will randomly come on thier doorstep one day in september or october.

BhamBrent

09-08-2005, 06:49 AM

Got this from tower today,

"Our buyer has been notified by Novac that we will be receiving a
shipment next week. We will be processing your backorder from this
shipment."

Joan Ryan
Supervisor

I'll let you guys know, if it comes or not. ;

PS. I do wish novak wasn't spelled wrong. LOL... HOPE I DO NOT GET A NOVAC GTD... :eek: :D

Izah

09-09-2005, 01:58 AM

Hi guys i was wondering how the people who have gotten there systems in like them so far and what they would compare them to in terms of brushed motores.I my self have not gotten myn in yet and would realy love to here how the people who have them now are doing with them .

Izah

JakeE

09-12-2005, 04:47 PM

I received my 6.5 system early last week and ran it in my 4WD buggy (BJ4) at a small nearby track on Sunday. It is very very smooth, I didn't have to use more than half throttle given the track size. I won't get a good idea of top end performance until tomorrow when I'll be racing at a much larger track. After an 8 minute main the motor was around 140° F and the GTB heatsink was in the 130°-135° F range.

TypeR 126

09-12-2005, 05:51 PM

I gave it a go in my T4 this weekend, with a 16T pinion. It definitely moved out like a raped ape. It's easily as fast the 6 and 7 turn brushed motors I've tried with a ton of torque out of the hole. I coulnd't find my temp gun after my run, but the controller was only warm to the touch.

This kind of performance without all the maintenance if what I've been looking for, for some time now.

CharlieS

09-12-2005, 07:27 PM

GroundPounder30

09-12-2005, 10:43 PM

Is it alright to use a can of compressed air then?

TypeR 126

09-12-2005, 11:12 PM

Remember they aren't ZERO maintenance, just much less. They still get dirt and dust inside like everything else in your R/C Car. I'd recommend taking the motor apart and blowing it out, once a month or so. Just remove the "front" endbell, slide off, and blow out the dirt. No sprays or cleaners, good old air and a brush.

Thanks
Charlie

LOL, I know. Almost none of my driving is in the dirt, so my cars don't require quite as much cleaning as most, but mainly I was referring to having to cut and clean the comm and replacing brushes all the time.

All of the brushed motors that offered the performance I wanted required serious upkeep to maintain that same perfomance.

RCBASHERFREAK50

09-13-2005, 12:27 AM

I ordered my 5.5 today... I hope it works :)

cwginkc

09-19-2005, 08:15 PM

Ran my 6.5R system in a BJ4 the other day. Super smooth and super fast!

What do other owners think of Novaks new, clear servo tape? I hate it, it doesn't hold worth a darn. Wish they would include some of the MXT-1 servo tape, MIP sales.

tracer

09-20-2005, 09:08 AM

What do other owners think of Novaks new, clear servo tape? I hate it, it doesn't hold worth a darn. Wish they would include some of the MXT-1 servo tape, MIP sales.

If you prep both surfaces properly, it holds amazing. And it's very soft so reduces vibration in the electronics.

I'd actually buy the stuff if they sold it seperatly (well, I can't find it seperatly anyways)

OFFLEASH

10-01-2005, 01:33 PM

um is anyone having problems with their system. When i run it it just sits there then my battery starts to smoke i think my capacitor is dead. Is there a warranty or anything

elcid4300

10-01-2005, 02:21 PM

um is anyone having problems with their system. When i run it it just sits there then my battery starts to smoke i think my capacitor is dead. Is there a warranty or anything

All Novak products have a warranty. Did you look through your manual?

RCBASHERFREAK50

10-01-2005, 11:44 PM

WOW... not only did I like the servo gel... The system is awesome.. really fast and easy... I cant wait to race with it

ElectricThunder

10-02-2005, 09:46 PM

um is anyone having problems with their system. When i run it it just sits there then my battery starts to smoke i think my capacitor is dead. Is there a warranty or anything
How many different batteries have you tried? If you tried multiple batteries with the same results for each one, then yeah, something's wrong with the novak or the connections to the novak via either the ESC's wires/batt plugs or the plugs/wires on the batt itself.

jocktheglide165

10-03-2005, 10:31 AM

All Novak products have a warranty. Did you look through your manual?

he could be joking acting like he has it to put the novak name down or something. :confused:

Jev

10-03-2005, 02:16 PM

There are many people in the industry who are going to lose a lot of money due to brushless motors taking over ;)

vad

10-03-2005, 11:18 PM

There are many people in the industry who are going to lose a lot of money due to brushless motors taking over ;)

Then there are many racers who will be able to concentrate on their driving rather than having to worry about messing with brushed motors.

WheelNut

10-04-2005, 12:21 AM

Just to let everyone know, if your thinking about buying this system, do yourself a favour and do it! I just got mine today and its awsome, I got the 5.5 in my B4 and its insanely fast, much much better than my 13t D6. Finally back off the brushes, that was a horrible expirence.... :D

AudiTT-Quattro

10-04-2005, 01:19 AM

Then there are many racers who will be able to concentrate on their driving rather than having to worry about messing with brushed motors.
True, but there will always be the "old timers" that will swear by brushed technology. I've been racing with the 5800 system in a touring car all summer. I had to go back to a stock motor for a race and I hated it! Not only how it handles, but all that work to get it running consistently. I actually love the lack of drag brake on the brushless, how freely it coasts off throttle and driving with a one-way makes it feel that much better. I told myself I would never go back to brushed motors and that statement has held up fairly well so far.

racer234

11-05-2005, 03:31 AM

I'm planning on putting a 6.5 in my MF2. Currently I'm running an Orion Revolution 11x2. How would they two compare? thanks.

CharlieS

11-07-2005, 06:05 PM

6.5 might have a bit of an edge. Depends on the conditions and all of that fun stuff, but usually the 6.5 is closer to a 9or10 turn regular motor.

OFFLEASH

11-16-2005, 09:27 PM

I sent my motor in and they got it last thursday. I had in my XXXT and it smoked and caught on fire on 2 diffrent batteries. I was just wondering how long was your run times. I was using a 3700 mah battery and i was getting run times of 5 minutes. and could you guys pull wheelies easily with it. thats one thing that i was worried about. and then when i got it. it just stayed on the ground which i liked but i was thinking that maybe that was a sign that my motor was messed up. o ya and for you guys who have sent stuff into novak how long has it taken them to fix stuff and send it back??

~OFFLEASH

CharlieS

11-17-2005, 02:45 PM

Hey OL, Feel free to send us an email for an update. That's what we're here for.

Tech@teamnovak.com

gixxer

11-26-2005, 11:12 PM

I was thinking about putting my 5.5 in some kind of on road car. What kind of speed is the 5.5 getting with the recommended 21/72 gearing for the TC4?

Could it get 51.6mph like the Tamiya Ta-05 kit car action has tested with the 7 turn brushed double motor?

dean76

12-24-2005, 12:42 PM

Hopefully someone from Novak (Charlie?..........) can answer this question: Can the heatsink be removed for 1/12 scale racing? It would be more dialed...
Either way, I have a couple on pre-order.

Go brushless, or go broke................
hello every one hope some one from novak is on as i have adead gtb system gutted its only lasted 12 weeks useless all it does now when throttle is applied is twicthes gets hot and all lights flash dissapointed to say the least ive tried to email novak but they wont accept mails from the uk so god nows what i do now 200 quid on a system thats meant to be maintainence free yeah right wouldnt recommend this system to anyone especially if you buy it from usa and live in england as customer service seems non excistant thanks for nothing novak

Grizzbob

12-24-2005, 01:07 PM

Umm, have you tried a phone call? I know you're in the UK, but considering how much you spent on the system, I think that'd warrant spending a bit on the call(& you WILL get through that way). Don't knock their customer service so quickly, I'm sure they just having trouble getting the info they need from you, once they know what happened, they should do the right thing to get you sorted out(they've never let me down over the 15+ years I;ve been using their products, & most of my friends have had similar experiences with them).... :cool:

dean76

12-24-2005, 02:04 PM

many thanks for the reply i know im just being grumpy cos my new system is dead for xmas i am going to try the phone call after the xmas break,i am a complete newbie to this hobby used to race in the optima mid turbo days87,but my dad did all the tech stuff i just drove em and broke em so the electronics side of things is very new to me im sure i installed it right and followed the instructions to the letter and i respect you have good experiences of novak but i rely heavily on other peoples advice on products as i said its all new to me i hope youre right and they do me good hears hoping so, merry xmas to you all and sorry for for the grumpy post just grieving for my gtb.....................

Hessian1427

12-24-2005, 07:16 PM

dean, just send it to them, and they will usually replace it if it is under warranty. Follow the instructions on their web page. I am sure you will be happy

ffactory666

12-25-2005, 07:08 PM

Same situation here , GTB 6.5 smoked after four runs . I live in Australia and bought it from Tower and have sent Novak an email with no response.
Hopefully Charlie will drop in and give us some advice , as i don't want to send it back to the USA if there is a Novak distributor in Australia that can cover the warranty.

jocktheglide165

12-25-2005, 10:39 PM

someone should buy the thunder tiger bike and put this in there ha ha ha that thing will haul some butt.....wheeliesssssss

ElectricThunder

12-25-2005, 11:05 PM

When are ya'll sending them emails? Just a guess, but, maybe they're on christmas holiday (dunno how long they go on vacation, so maybe they're there, maybe they're not)? Meaning, no one in the office. If no one picks up the phone, then that's probably the case. I'd give 'em a few more days to get back in the office, I mean, it is Christmas, and ya can't blame them for taking a little vacation. :D:)

dean76

12-26-2005, 05:30 AM

its nowt to do with xmas hols,its cause they have filters on there server that only accepts emails from usa as when i send my mails i get an error report stating this............happyhol dean76

ElectricThunder

12-26-2005, 10:25 PM

:confused: mmmmk. Then call them. Or make a thread for Charlie in the BL motor forum.

Jev

12-27-2005, 06:09 AM

someone should buy the thunder tiger bike and put this in there ha ha ha that thing will haul some butt.....wheeliesssssss

I've been running the 5.5 in my bike for a while now.

Laterilus

12-27-2005, 02:38 PM

Seems like many people are toasting this speedo. Are there severe problems with every GTB or just some of them? Has Novak corrected the 'apparent' problem? I know about their excellent warranty work as I've dealt with it before, but I ALWAYS prefer my equipment working correctly straight from the box. I just ordered up one from Tower with some gift cards I got for Christmas and I'm really hoping for it to work correctly straight from the box (obviously, I'll read the instructions and make sure I'm opperating it correctly). I'm really excited to use this speedo with both the brushed and brushless motors, but like many other innovative products for our hobby, they aren't worth the hassle if they never work like they were intended to do so.

Anywho, I'm not looking to pick a fight here or anything, I'm just looking for some answers. I'm a big supporter of Novak electronics and have been for years. It just seems like every board I visit there are people running into problems with this speed control. How many of you out there haven't been having problems? Maybe it is just the ones having problems that are speaking up?

crazy1

12-27-2005, 03:58 PM

Laterilus I have two of them and hardly any problems. The only problem's that I had to switch out the 6.5 motor for a 8.5 (SS5800) and the GTB is just a little bit too tall to fit in a B4 with out rasing the body a little. The 6.5 was too fast for a T4 on my local track. Never was able to get beyond 1/2 throttle. The 5800 is keeping up with the 5.5 and 6.5 motors and am able to use the full throtle range on my radio. Brushless is just like brushed you must pick the correct motor for the track. Hated having to get anounter motor. I know that is being real picky.

dave mac

12-27-2005, 07:38 PM

How many of you out there haven't been having problems? Maybe it is just the ones having problems that are speaking up?

Well here in Charlotte NC, their are around six of us who have them and no problems, and we run our in long twenty minute mains truck class. the only issue i have had is the sensor wire was pulling out because i had it to tight on the shock tower

jocktheglide165

12-27-2005, 08:20 PM

I've been running the 5.5 in my bike for a while now.

does that thing haul booty?

ALJR

12-27-2005, 08:42 PM

no problems with my GTB 6.5.. Never even thermaled it! Its installed in a xxx-4 G+ with good results on the track.. This is my first "real" electric racer (im a nitro guy and my last electric was a Tamiya Fox) and im finishing 3rd in the A-main since I got it.. So I would say it has some really decent power compared to the other cars im up against..

ElectricThunder

12-27-2005, 10:47 PM

does that thing haul booty?
If he can ever get the nose down, than probably...:D Speeds must be sick in a bike though. :D

Jev

12-28-2005, 01:45 PM

If he can ever get the nose down, than probably...:D Speeds must be sick in a bike though. :D

More a problem of traction, it's been either cold or damp most weekends since I got it. Here's the result of an over enthusiastic wheelie session:

http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jevon@btinternet.com/detail?.dir=65e1&.dnm=25bescd.jpg&.src=ph

Oh yeah and I'm running Tanic 3650 lipo's to give it that little bit extra oomph :D

jocktheglide165

12-28-2005, 04:19 PM

More a problem of traction, it's been either cold or damp most weekends since I got it. Here's the result of an over enthusiastic wheelie session:

http://uk.pg.photos.yahoo.com/ph/jevon@btinternet.com/detail?.dir=65e1&.dnm=25bescd.jpg&.src=ph

Oh yeah and I'm running Tanic 3650 lipo's to give it that little bit extra oomph :D
seriously how fast is that? like 60mph? :D

Jev

12-29-2005, 02:25 PM

seriously how fast is that? like 60mph? :D

I've only had it geared for around 40mph, I expect 60 is possible.

brushless losi

02-27-2006, 08:42 PM

their r motors out ther that have plugs attached to the mtor wires and plugs attached to the speed control wires. it would be easy detachent to use different velociti motors. for example the e-maxx twin titans and evx speed control. so, no resoldering is required do you think that would be possible to put these plugs on the gtb/motor brushless systems w/out taking power and battery life.