Nitrous

[SIKB3]

http://www.nitrousexpress.com/Pages/rc_n2o.htm

Nuff Said

[ron1431]

i think this should be in the general forum. but very cool info.

[lttakas]

no way is this real :eek: :eek:

[SIKB3]

It activates at max RPM.
Just thought it might help in this competition

[tec_41]

Oh please...do a search before posting rediculous ideas that don't work

[RrR]

Oh please...do a search before posting rediculous ideas that don't work
Thay work!! Just ask the people who sell them!!! ;) ;) ;)

[APortman]

it all depends on how fast you want to buy a new engine because i cant believe tha this can be at all good or even harmless to your engine. Those things are only suppose to do so many rpm's and when you make it do more than your askin for trouble.

[Baja-Destroyer]

lol i cant wait to hear about some one buying this and blowing the piston through the top of the head and launching it sky high

[MT2 owns you]

uh, wouldnt that be like switching imediatly to 100% nitro from 20% (or whatever you run) instantly?...yeaa....i dont think thats gonna work too well....

[BudJ63]

I believe it says it activates at WOT not at max RPM. They are 2 different things. You can be at WOT before the engine reaches max RPM.

[KillerMater]

Nitrous Express isn't a small time operation. They are very good at what they do and i seriously doublt they'd waste their time and money marketing this product if it didn't work. I have juiced a few engines on a bench, but never on a driving car. It will definately work. I don't like the NX solenoid though, too big and heavy. You can get air valves that are used to activate air powered landing gear for planes the would be a lot lighter and smaller. The down side to those is that they are mechanically operated instead of electric, so the throttle linkage would be a pain, or you could use a three channel radio and an extra servo, but thats weight too.

Also the true advantage of nitrous isn't really added rpm, it's added power through out the rpm range. It really helps acceleration, and there is a lot of additional torqe in the lower rpms. I guess the biggest help to land speed racing is that it would allow you to pull a bigger gear.

[Out Of Control]

oh yea they would work for 5 miniutes before your engine blows up

[KillerMater]

I think 5 minutes would be more than enough time to set the speed record. Besides, nitrous isn't really designed to be run continuosly. Drag cars run it the whole 1/4 mile, but that only takes a few seconds. Even a slow car on juice probably only needs it for 12 or 13 seconds. I don't think land speed racing is the best use for nitrous, but used properly it could be beneficial.

[tec_41]

If I remember correctly 20% nitro fuel is more powerful than nitrous ;)

[KillerMater]

Nitro is a powerful fuel. Nitro is the number one reason full scale top fule dragsters run 330mph in 4.5 seconds. Take the pop away and force them to run alcohol and you'd set the class back 10 or 15 years. Now having said that it used to be common to see the funny car guys in particular run nitrous along with 95-98% nitromethenol. Rules prohibit that practice now. My point is, 20% nitro may be better than nitrous, but 20% + nitrous is better yet!

[rc man37689]

for $200 u can perfectly get your engine(s) ported and maxed out to their limit. All it will gives u is like 2-4 pounds of crap. If it worked than everyone would be setting new records for speed :rolleyes:. Or you can use that money to buy a better engine. Even if it worked do u think your engine,bearings,etc can withstand and extra claimed 10k+ rpms and the heat? you would lose compression and that time and everything would weaken. That bottle wouldnt last for 5 min. Maybe 20 seconds at tops and the engine wouldnt survive wot for that long.....

[cool head]

my problem with the system(besides weight), is the fact that there is no technical data to support any increase in power. nor is there any fuel enrichment device, that alone makes the system useless. first thing i want to see is dyno charts from an indipendent testing panel and a fuel enrichment system.. just because someone sells them, doesn't necessarily meen they work. turbonaters, magnets on your fuel lines, resisters on your coil wires, all a bunch of snake oil! i've seen NX stickers on cheap plastic toys at wallmart. that tells me their trying to make money anyway they can!

[OutFrontFrames]

ok guys I was a dealer for NX for 2 years and heres the deal. Nitrous will add gobs of torque. Yes you can spend all this money and have your engine cut and modded and blah blah but it will only get you so far. I can promise you that nitrous will wake your motor up!!! I did a review ona kit from Jags a while back. Granted the kit wasnt al that wonderful, the results of a nitro motor on nitrous oxide were phenomenal. All this about blowing the piston thru the head and all, isnt going to happen. The glow plug simply goes out before you ever get to that point. We installed the Jags kit in a Monster GT, a bone stock MGT at that. When finished the truck would almost wheelie going into second gear because it was accelerating sooooooo hard on the shift. If any of you have ever driven a stock MGT you know that power going into second gear is dismal at best. Before you claim that something doesnt work do your homework first so that you can back it up.
As for the NX system, yea its big and heavy but, I promise you the power gains will waaaaaay override the amount of weight your adding. I am building a wet nitrous system as we speak for my RC Top Fuel Car. Its a wet system. For those of you who dont know what that means. A wet system sprays fuel and nitrous at the same time. This way you have fuel to support the nitrous and arent relying on tank pressure to supply the needed fuel.
Either way nitrous works, you should give it a try. Your outlook on nitro rc will change. I promise.. If you have any questions about this just ask away.
Wes Brown
Out Front Frames
http://www.outfrontframes.com

[OutFrontFrames]

oh and as for their names on the toys at Wal Mart, that wasnt their doing per se.. That was the movie peoples doing. NOS sponsored the Fast and Furious. NX sponsored the second one. With that came endorsements for movie and or promotional items and or items that stem from that movie. Hence the reason for all of the NX stuff at Wal MArt. However, if you'll notice some of the toys are like a hot wheels thing that looks like a big nitrous bottle.. and its blue.. The makers of the toys thought that NOS was more popular and to a point it is. So they made the bottle blue, which is NOS standard colors, rather than white like the standard NX color. So you see they arent all smoke and mirrors and gimmicks.

[cool head]

shouldn't have NX done their homework to back up their claims, like charts , graphs and formulas? i never said it wouldn't work. it's just not looking good for an engine. why don't they sell a wet kit? whats the change in combustion chamber temps? how about damage to rod bearings and detonation. these are all things a would want to know before spending money on something that might destroy a $300 engine after 6 runs.

[OutFrontFrames]

First off NX did their homework or they wouldn't release it. If you notice they give you a pill size. This is their homework. Nitrous pills come in various sizes that portray flow rate at a given PSI. Too little does nothing, too much just blows the glow plug.
They dont sell a wet kit because that would be more tuning than more people want to mess with. They (NX) can pill the system conservatively and the general public can use it easily. When people buy a product that requires immense amounts of tuning to get it right they tend to get irritated and then bad mouth the company. So unless your selling audience is a very experienced group of people they try to keep it simple.
As for damage to rod bearings, I'm not going to lie to you and say that you engine is going to live indefinately on the juice but, as with any power adder things are going to wear quicker. I dont see them just grenading unless the user goes hog wild and does something like removes the pill all together to get maximum flow or something similar. As for combustion chamber temps, sure they are going to go up but your not going to be 'racing' on the bottle anyways. Put it this way. The bottles are tiny. Ever seen a whippet refill?? Looks like a small version of a CO2 cartridge. They dont last long. With the Jags kit I could spray the MGT twice on a bottle. That was one really awesome run of about a 2 second burst and then a kinda ok run of about 2 sec. On a 4-5 second spray temps arent going to escalate enough to damage anything. Once again like I said earlier, any type of power adder whether it be a higher nitro content fuel, nitrous, prope, or whatever else they have out there is going to put more stress on the internals. Thats part of the price we pay to go faster. As for the destroying a $300 motor after 6 runs, well we went thru the 14 bottles of nitrous that Jags sent us and all we had happen was a few popped glow plugs. As a matter of fact that truck has been sold to a friend who has put probably another 2 gallons of fuel thru that 21 since he has had it and the truck still runs great. The biggest safety margin we have with nitro motors running nitrous is the glow plug. Unlike a standard spark iginition system we rely on a small coil thats heated via the combustion process. If the combustion process becomes too much then the coil simply breaks and stops retaining heat. Therefore the engine dies and the run is over. So as for prolonged detonation, well there isnt any, the plug dies way before damaging detonation ever occurs.
If you think that NX should put more info on their site about the kit then by all means shoot them an email and tell them. I am simply trying to educate the people who think that it wont work or may cause damage to their engines. Anything can cause damage if used improperly. Nitrous has gotten a bad rap for many many years. However when used properly the non flammable go gas we have all come to love can give your rc experience a whole new twist.
Wes Brown
Out Front Frames

[skylineTT]

would i have to get a steel spur for my maxx? my sirio 18 has stripped spurs away(plastic) so the added tourque would need a new spur right?

[Smokester]

Honestly how much is it good for 2-4 mph faster. Maybe 1-3 hp. I don't see a shot lasting or doing any good. Unless like said you really adjust for a 2-4mph. Or 1-3HP. I Run a Camaro on 275 Shot of TNT. And a ZX-11 on a 40 of NOS. So I'm tempted to buy the Nitrous Kit. But right now for me I don't think it's worth it. Besides theres a Supercharger kit out also. But I have yet to hear from anyone actually running Nitrous or a Supercharger. although the guy from NX spoke of it. I don't recall him saying he ran it on any of his RC Kits. (I could Be Wrong).

[OutFrontFrames]

As for the spur gear, yes I dont see how it could hurt anything. Especially since its already stripping them now without it.

Nitrous is just coming around in the hobby industry. To my knowledge Jags was the first company to offer a nitrous system designed for an RC application. I would love to get some dyno time with a nitro motor and tune to see the results but I dont have that luxury. What I do know is that the feeling of excelleration you sense when your not on the bottle and the feeling of acceleration when you are on the bottle are drastically different when driving an rc car with nitrous. From my experience the difference is about the same as a stock electric motor compared to a higher wind mod, something around the 15 turn range.
As for the super charger, there are so many threads on the internet debating the does it work or not thing that it doesnt need to be brought up here. However, I will say that there are certain factors within the engine that need to be changed to make it work more efficiently or for the lack of wording, better.

[ElectricThunder]

would i have to get a steel spur for my maxx? my sirio 18 has stripped spurs away(plastic) so the added tourque would need a new spur right?
There's a reason it's plastic, and there's a reason it strips. To prevent further damage to something costlier/more important like the internals of the gearbox. Plus metal on metal contact means radio interference or some nuisance that is just a pain :( . I'd say stay plastic, but adjust the mesh of the clutchbell and spur so that it doesn't strip.

[microrcdude]

hey why did you post this if the comp isnt gonna happen?

[tec_41]

Because man, we've never heard of something this cool before. I mean, this could revolutionize RC as we know it!







:rolleyes:

[OutFrontFrames]

Just because the contest isnt going to happen, the quest for never stops..

[cool head]

don't frustrate
no need to hate
we took the bait,
now we must wait
it ain't too late
to compensate
the fools like me
that couldn't let it be
b thats allright
i'm still tight
nitrous is my remmedy
when i get a cavity
a contest there will be
before eternity
for all you rc quacks
get off our freakin backs.

8 mile that beatch!

[skylineTT]

yeah gotcha

[minitdriver]

man that would look way cool.imagine just before a race perging the line and having the spray come up out of the body!way cool. sure it would be a short life engine but...sometimes its the principal that you have nitrous, not the fact that your engine won't last as long ;)
stay classy

[tec_41]

Yeah, everyone loves a ricer...in this case an RC Ricer

[BudJ63]

Who says that if it's on gas it has to be ricer???

[tec_41]

sure it would be a short life engine but...sometimes its the principal that you have nitrous, not the fact that your engine won't last as long ;)
That's what I consider ricey

[DanteXIII]

20% Nitromethane/68% methanol burns/expands better than nitrous oxide. This will not increase anything. If anything, it may bog you down...

[NitroBoy24]

Oh please...do a search before posting rediculous ideas that don't work

X 2.

Man, we've been having these damn nitrous discussiosn FOREVER.

Oh my God, Smokester mentioned something about r/c superchargers too..For the love of RCZ's freakin search engine :rolleyes:

*leaves thread before head explodes*

[OutFrontFrames]

October Issue - RC Driver - Nitrous Express - Read it. Page 120 something.

[ElectricThunder]

Who says that if it's on gas it has to be ricer???
Badass pic... :cool:

[tec_41]

Badass car as well

[DanteXIII]

I just got the mag today coincidentally, I'll give it a read. There is still no way I'm going to be convinced that it will work. I've spent to many hours in chemistry, High School and college, to not think, "hey, methanol and Nitro give more energy during burn than N2O does."

[OutFrontFrames]

Your not burning just nitrous your burning all three, together. The nitrous is enhancing the effects of the methanol and nitro.

[DanteXIII]

Yeah, my point is that it should only bog it down... I noticed it said you need a cold plug. I think I understand what's happening. N2O does burn hotter, although per molecule, it gives off less total energy. Perhaps, due to the extra heat, it actually helps burn more of the Nitro and methanol during combustion. That would make sence. In that case, it would actually make more of a difference if the engine was a tad richer than normal. Hmmm... I'm gonna take a deeper look into this, and repost. If the resaults are accurate, then something is definatly happening, to increase performance, actually to tell you the truth, I almost dropped when I saw that it does increase performance, I am still sceptical though.

[OutFrontFrames]

Be skeptical for now. Sometimes you have to try it and see for yourself. I know it works I have tried it already in the past..

[DanteXIII]

AHA. I figured it out. The Nitromethane and Nitorus sorta play off eacother, in what I guess you could call a cascade effect forcing eachother to be more efficient. The question is, is it bad for the engine? I'd bet it isn't good for it.

[OutFrontFrames]

As long as there is plenty of lubrication and the heat is controlled all should be fine. The only rule of thumb is a general rule of thumb whether it be a nitrous system for a real car or an rc car. Know your motor's limit. If your motor came from the factory at .6hp your not going to make 3 out of it. One other thing to remember, nitrous makes tourque not rpm. Nitrous is going to be barely noticable at speed..

[Twitch]

I didnt read thru all the postings here but did anyone actaully buy the kit and try it out or is it just all "talk" what you think will or will not happen?

[Marderman]

Hi Guys, read through all your thoughts.. some very enlightening particulary OutFrontFrames.. but there are alot of doom and gloomers though eh! :rolleyes:

OutFrontFrames, I have found a company selling these kits on ebay, however they are marketing them at FG marders and the like. So my question is that these obviously have a huge engine in comparasom to the savage so do you recon its going to give enough of a "squirt" of N0s to get a few seconds of action?

If not is it easy enough to rejet them to get more flow that i suspect a 26cc 2 stroke motor will require? if i can be sure ive got room to modify etc then ill prob get one as i can use it on my marder and my go-ped!

Any help or pointers about this would be great.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/FG-MARDER-MONSTER-TO...1QQcmdZViewItem

[OutFrontFrames]

If I am not mistaken NX sells a kit geared towards the go-ped crowd. These use very similar motors I think. Call NX and ask them what pills (jets) they use for these applications. The NX kit on the savage uses a standard pill from NX so re-pilling it shouldn't be a problem. They come in all sorts of sizes..
http://images.amazon.com/images/P/B0006HPHWI.01-A1MK3HAFHEKCQU._SCMZZZZZZZ_.jpg

[Marderman]

Thanks for that, ive emailed them about the use of this product on the marder/ped, so ill see what ceoms back.


The bloke on ebay has also replied, ive copied it below for anyone interested.

Sorry for the delay, The speed2000 Nitrous Express kit has been designed for use with small engines up to 50cc, The kit has been tested on a savage by nitrous express but was not made solely for the savage, The kit has also been used on gopeds and largescale cars including 1/4 drag cars that use the zenoah 23cc engine, I have not personally had chance to use it as they have only just came in but i do have a similar kit made by "holley" installed to a 40cc mini moto with 0.12 size jet which works very well, I have used 2x 10oz bottles of nos so far with no problems, As long as its used sensibly you will not have any problems. The jet included with the speed2000 kit is size 0.9, I will be testing the kit myself but cannot give you a time at the moment as i am very busy. My suppler assures me that they work very well, I hope this helps. If you have any more questions please do not hesitate to email me and i will reply asap.

[insano]

Thanks for that, ive emailed them about the use of this product on the marder/ped, so ill see what ceoms back.


The bloke on ebay has also replied, ive copied it below for anyone interested.

Sorry for the delay, The speed2000 Nitrous Express kit has been designed for use with small engines up to 50cc, The kit has been tested on a savage by nitrous express but was not made solely for the savage, The kit has also been used on gopeds and largescale cars including 1/4 drag cars that use the zenoah 23cc engine, I have not personally had chance to use it as they have only just came in but i do have a similar kit made by "holley" installed to a 40cc mini moto with 0.12 size jet which works very well, I have used 2x 10oz bottles of nos so far with no problems, As long as its used sensibly you will not have any problems. The jet included with the speed2000 kit is size 0.9, I will be testing the kit myself but cannot give you a time at the moment as i am very busy. My suppler assures me that they work very well, I hope this helps. If you have any more questions please do not hesitate to email me and i will reply asap.

To me this sounds extremely fishy.

#1: What kind of reseller would sell a product like this without having tested it, let alone knowing whether it's going to harm an engine or not. It just doesn't happen...

#2: The way he keeps saying "My Supplier Assures Me..." is a little curious. For someone so confident in his product he sure does seem to be pointing fingers an awful lot.

My 0.2

[TrU InTeGrA]

all i kno in regards to this is that i read a post on a diff forum site ..and a NX rep made a post answering all the questions u have asked....i wish i remembered the link....
InTeGrA

P.S he did say that it was all good for savages or any other small engin just like
MarderMan said..and used responsibly works great.

[Marderman]

I simply couldnt bring myself to pay the £120 for the kit, gonna wait for a bit and see how it develops.. just dont fancy being a guinee pig!

Think I would rather spend £90 on a bigger piston and barrel moving from 26cc to 29cc on the marder, its gonna give me a more predicatable and sustained power increase. Cheaper too! lol

[Sorcerer001]

Man, this topic just never goes away. Yes, squirting nitrous in to any combustion chamber WILL give you more power - that's no mystery. Problem is, you're going to run the engine too lean. Spraying nitrous in to the filter is not much different that running with a fresh filter on a really cold day. The problem is, if you adjust your needle setting to compensate for the nitrous injection, you're going to lose much of the benefit of that spiffy kit you just dumped all that money on. Not to mention, once you shut down the sprayer, you'll be running way too rich and be down on power.
A better idea would be to simply spend a couple more bucks on a jug of 60% nitro fuel that has the additive package to help your engine survive a little longer - it'll provide more consistant performance across the entire powerband.
This isn't free horsepower. Heck it's not even simply the cost of the unit - it's going to cost you an engine sooner than later, no doubt about it.

[OutFrontFrames]

Thats why you run it wet..

[Jev]

I just got the mag today coincidentally, I'll give it a read. There is still no way I'm going to be convinced that it will work. I've spent to many hours in chemistry, High School and college, to not think, "hey, methanol and Nitro give more energy during burn than N2O does."

You need to go back to school. N2O is an inert gas, not a fuel. Methonol and Nitromethane is fuel that needs oxygen to burn. The reason N2O gives more power is because it contains more oxygen per kilo than air at sea level. It also increased power because it is colder than air as it enters the cyclinder. Colder air is more dense and contains even more oxyegen, it also help prevent pre det. The extra Nitrogen in n2o also help prevent pre-detonation.

It's true that if you set the carb up to run pure air and then add n2o it will run lean.

[supraguyxiii]

just imagine, a SH .28 with peak hp of 3.65 tuned and ported to about 3.80 (estimate) with a RB supercharger, nitrous, 35-40%, cold air intake, insane, but two of them, they would eat so much nitro....but scream.....

[ls1huntr]

Ok, Im posting again, and will answer any questions that you might have. First of all, it does not run it lean. The fuel system is pressurized by exhaust pulses. When you increase your cylinder pressure you increase the exhast pulses. Therefore giving you a higher fuel pressure which compensates for the increased oxygen level.

As for some nitrous knowledge: Nitrous Oxide (N2O) is labled as an oxidizer. The nitrogen atoms in the molecule act as a buffer allowing the nitrous oxide to maintiain its molecular structure until the temperature reaches 593 degrees Fahrenheit. (i.e. actual combustion chamber temperatures) When this temperature is achieved the oxygen is released. Increasing the oxygen and fuel in a combustion chamber increases horsepower.

Common Misconceptions with Nitrous Oxide and R/C engines:
Adding more Nitro (30%) is the same.
False. Adding more nitro will increase engine temps signifigantly and decrease engine life just as signifigantly. you may see about 35% the possible gain with nitrous while still decreasing your engine life at a incredibly higher rate.

This may work on a 1:1 car but my engine is too small:
False. An Engine needs two things to work. Fuel And Oxygen. The size of the engine has no bearings on nitrous at all. The only difference is the amount of Oxygen you can safely put in the engine.

if you have any other questions I try to keep up with this board atleast a few times a week. I would do more but my position keeps me from it. Feel Free to also emial me if you have any personal questions.

Randell Mathis
Marketing Director
NX
rmathis@nitrousexpress.com

P.S. I also have 2 vehicles in which i use nitrous personally on An HPI SAVAGE 25 (which most of the R&D were done for these systems) and an OFNA Z10 onroad car. 4WD with an HPI .15 engine in it.

[DerekB]

Running higher doesn't always make engine temps higher. We've done test that prove the opposite. Of course within limits. But a misconception about running higher nitro is that it increase engine temps :)

[ls1huntr]

Running higher doesn't always make engine temps higher. We've done test that prove the opposite. Of course within limits. But a misconception about running higher nitro is that it increase engine temps :)
True, true. But like i said if you have any questions i would be happy to answer these to the best of my ability.

Randell

[OutFrontFrames]

Thanks ls1huntr.. I tried explaining that on a few different occasions but there are sooooo many misconceptions about nitrous, it seems like they just never go away..

[ls1huntr]

Thanks ls1huntr.. I tried explaining that on a few different occasions but there are sooooo many misconceptions about nitrous, it seems like they just never go away..

No doubt there are.I have to deal with it on a day to day basis. The problem is a lack of knowledge. I can understand how some would see it as a sales gimmick or what have you, but you can bet we will stand by our product.

Randell

[OutFrontFrames]

As a former NX Dealer I too stand by your product. :D

[supraguyxiii]

nice! cf and nx, sounds like you have things going for you

[Fester]

Well looks like I maybe conviced. ls1huntr do you recomend any dealers? And i have a few questions

1. What size solinoid and jet is used in the kit?
2. Is it a short bust of N2O or is it constant?
3. How long is the burst or effect of the burst?

Ohh yea I am one of those who dont know anything about nitrous systems.

[ls1huntr]

Well looks like I maybe conviced. ls1huntr do you recomend any dealers? And i have a few questions

1. What size solinoid and jet is used in the kit?
2. Is it a short bust of N2O or is it constant?
3. How long is the burst or effect of the burst?

Ohh yea I am one of those who dont know anything about nitrous systems.

As far as dealers you can purchase this product directly off of our website. Also we are in talks with very large hobby shops in selling this product. The only problem is the skepticism (sp?) of this product is slowing the process slightly. No big deal. now to the questions

1. .037" Nitrous Solenoid with a .009 jet. (We also have a smaller lighter solenoid with an adjustable needle valve which i use on my on-road car. This is available right now in limited quantities. We do not have a PN just yet for it and it is on a call in basis.)
2. It can be at short burst or as long as you can run it without losing range....it is activated by a microswitch that you mount by your throttle servo. Whith the toggle switch armed, you have to be at full throttle to activate the system.
3. With the standard system we have found 30 sec of constant usage on a bottle. NOW before i get flamed, This number varies greatly with ambient air temperature. I am shooting on the low side, when it was 90 degrees or so outside i got around 80 sec. This is due to bottle pressure, yes just like in 1/1 cars.

Thanks
Randell

[kenzo_1]

Thank you ls1huntr! I have been watching this thread with the same glee that I watch the Jerry Springer show and you have been the voice of reason. With all of the misconceptions that you have cleared up (including someone telling someone else to go back to school because NO2 is an inert gas... obviously never been to a party with kids passing around the ballons that "pop" with that crazy blue flame when a cigarette gets too close). You have me thinking of getting a nitro drift car to just to experiment with! That would be the ultimate model "rice burner"! ;)

p.s. To all the naysayers, may I respectfully say that there is a sizeable segment of us in this hobby who love to tinker with stuff that is beyond the mainstream RTR junk! I'm sure that someone who is willing to take a dremel to a nitro engine isn't intimidated by the challenge of tinkering with nitro (or supercharging, another controversial subject here in RCZ). What would Jamie Hyneman do? (LOL) :D

[ls1huntr]

Thank you ls1huntr! I have been watching this thread with the same glee that I watch the Jerry Springer show and you have been the voice of reason. With all of the misconceptions that you have cleared up (including someone telling someone else to go back to school because NO2 is an inert gas... obviously never been to a party with kids passing around the ballons that "pop" with that crazy blue flame when a cigarette gets too close). You have me thinking of getting a nitro drift car to just to experiment with! That would be the ultimate model "rice burner"! ;)

p.s. To all the naysayers, may I respectfully say that there is a sizeable segment of us in this hobby who love to tinker with stuff that is beyond the mainstream RTR junk! I'm sure that someone who is willing to take a dremel to a nitro engine isn't intimidated by the challenge of tinkering with nitro (or supercharging, another controversial subject here in RCZ). What would Jamie Hyneman do? (LOL) :D

No, thank you Kenzo, for being open minded about the fact that this could actually work. and I, like you love to tinker with my toys. Thus the reason this nitrous system exists. Hopefully one of these days it will be an excepted commodity in the RC community. At this point we have actually sold hundreds of them without a single complaint. But even with 1/1 cars there is much skeptisizm due to the lack of knowledge out there.

Randell Mathis
NX

[Soupisgoodfood]

Err... N2O is an inert gas. Those ballons must have had something else in them. If it wasn't inert, they wouldn't use it whip cream.

[DerekB]

Err... N2O is an inert gas. Those ballons must have had something else in them. If it wasn't inert, they wouldn't use it whip cream.

Nitrogen the gas you're thinking of and NITROUS are two different gases.

Nitrogen - Perodic Table Symbol N
Nitrous - Molecule - NO2 Two atoms of Oxygen fill in the empty electons on the nitrogen atom.

[TrU InTeGrA]

so in regards to all the posts in this thread .....i was at my LHS today and they had the NX kit on a savage with a XTM24.7 pro....and i guess only time will tell what happens to the block over time....twas INSANE to see it go.
TrU

[mgs9]

A little off topic and a little dumb but all of this chemistry talk makes my mind go all creative. Hydrogen Peroxide is an oxidizer right? What would happen if you injected that into your engine. I worked at an airplane repair center and they had Hydrogen peroxide with 50% hydrogen and they made it very clear to never get that stuff around any fuel sources, and that it would eat the flesh right off you if you touched it. :eek: Don't worry im not going to be putting foreign chemicals in my engines.

[Jev]

I thought hydrogen had worse burn qualities that methanol?

If you inject more fuel there is less space for Oxygen ;).

A little off topic and a little dumb but all of this chemistry talk makes my mind go all creative. Hydrogen Peroxide is an oxidizer right? What would happen if you injected that into your engine. I worked at an airplane repair center and they had Hydrogen peroxide with 50% hydrogen and they made it very clear to never get that stuff around any fuel sources, and that it would eat the flesh right off you if you touched it. :eek: Don't worry im not going to be putting foreign chemicals in my engines.

[mgs9]

I thought hydrogen had worse burn qualities that methanol?

If you inject more fuel there is less space for Oxygen ;).


Yea I have no cule, I just thought it was an oxidizer. Yea my knowledge of chemistry is very little. I had 2 mounths of chemistry in freshmen year. :D

[DerekB]

Yea I have no cule, I just thought it was an oxidizer. Yea my knowledge of chemistry is very little. I had 2 mounths of chemistry in freshmen year. :D


It is an oxidizer, but not one in most forms that's dangerous. It's in most peoples bathroom. But if you look at the makeup of it it's H2O2..water with an exta Hydrogen on there. So when it reacts with something it gives off Hydrogen and oxygen...that's why it's sort of dangerous in purer forms.

[jato351]

It looks like nitrous oxide use is STILL frowned upon in auto circles,including r/c.Most of the naysayers dont understand the purpose of injecting fuel and a metered dose of this beautiful gas.Throttle in a bottle is the coined term of use these days..My mates silvia is driven to the shops by his mum(auto vehicle)then driven to the track where the gas takes over...jekyll&hyde syndrome at its best...when in doubt-shut the hell up..my 2 cents....

[tec_41]

Quit bringing up this thread...every time the nitrous threads die out some one seems to stir the pot again.

[jato351]

Consider it forgotten.My apologies...

[rmitchell242]

If I remember correctly 20% nitro fuel is more powerful than nitrous ;)



hahahahahaha good one Nitrous is not fuel its more like air. When you run nitrous in your r car you would need more 20 percent nitro to make it work LOL

[civicslayr]

I'm not going to bother reading all these dang posts, so if the thread got jacked past page one don't flame me.
1.To whoever said that fuel is 20% nitro, and saying that "going from 20% nitro to 100% is bad" your an a$$, a jacka$$ at that. The fuel that we run is 20% nitroMETHANE, not 20% nitroUSOXIDE. N20 (nitrous oxide) is a gas, if i remember correctly, 2 parts nitogen to 1 parts oxygen (Could be the other way round, i can't remember). Nitromethane is a liquid. I've read up alot on this subject, and nitrous does not hurt 2 strokes at all, and it doesn't hurt four strokes either, if you build for it.
To all those idiots that are saying "Your gona blow your motor", no you won't. You could melt a piston if your a ******, but other than that, your not going to literaly explode your motor. Stop believing movies are true, they are movies for a reason. Nitrous ISN'T flamable, so get it out of you mind that its gonna blow up.
All in all nitrous will work wonders, if you are reasonably carefull. And because of 2 strokes nature the motor will simply bog down if you inject to much nitrous for it. One of the rc magazines did a review on nitrous, they praised it, and it showed significat increases in power, without damaging there motor. So stop trying to learn engines from fast n faggotish and read.

[mook]

You could melt a piston if your a ******,

thought nitrous runs cool?

So stop trying to learn engines from fast n faggotish and read.

no comment

[civicslayr]

Nitrous cools the air around it just like all compressed gases do when released into the atmosphere. BUT if you don't have enough fuel for all of the extra air you are throwing into the motor you cause a lean condition, which causes heat. Which if left unchecked melts your piston. I am not 100% sure if this would happen in a 2 stroke rotary valve, but on big boy engines like small block chevys, the piston starts to disenegrate (SP?) due to the extream heat if you don't keep your fuel ratios in check. Before you go flaming, do your homework. :cool:

[ls1huntr]

Wow for once in most of this thread someone who understand s the physics of nitrous instead of chiming in with what they "think" is right. Good job civicslayr.

[ls1huntr]

And even a complement to the fact that our system works, a company like RB Innovations has now copied our product almost exactly.
http://rbinnovations.com/catalog/product_info.php/products_id/183?osCsid=c87dcf86757a15cbcbca0b3a9dc8f8f0

and if you look at the pictures of their install, it IS our nitrous system. they just turned the crusher down on the lathe to remove our anodizing and laser marking. They copied our instructions and their wiring diagram is the one i drew. IDENTICAL. i almost consider that a complement.

[civicslayr]

and if you look at the pictures of their install, it IS our nitrous system. they just turned the crusher down on the lathe to remove our anodizing and laser marking. They copied our instructions and their wiring diagram is the one i drew. IDENTICAL. i almost consider that a complement.

I almost consider that copyright infringment. Sue them. Your guys's system is copyrighted correct? Oh and thank you. :)

[ducati777]

The fuel that we run is 20% nitroMETHANE, not 20% nitroUSOXIDE.


You clearly don't know anything. Nitro is nitro guy. I saw it in a movie, I know.

-Duck. (kidding)

[civicslayr]

lol.

[ls1huntr]

I almost consider that copyright infringment. Sue them. Your guys's system is copyrighted correct? Oh and thank you. :)

You cant copyright a product, you patent it. All you have to do is change a patented product by 15% and then it is fine to sell. Now the text, I could have copyrighted it. But it doesnt seem worth the trouble. O well.

Randell

[civicslayr]

copyright, patent, same diff lol.

[OutFrontFrames]

I dont know what I am astonished by more...
A.) The fact that thread is still alive and kicking
OR
B.) that with all the facts and all the info on the internet, there are still doubters..

[mook]

Before you go flaming, do your homework.

not "flaming". I've built several engines and know may way around a car, but i've never dealt with an arrogant tool like...

theres a way to convey knowledge. insulting people is not one of them.

read what you wrote

its arrogant idiot manure

but hey you know all...

I'm not going to bother reading all these dang posts, so if the thread got jacked past page one don't flame me.
1.To whoever said that fuel is 20% nitro, and saying that "going from 20% nitro to 100% is bad" your an a$$, a jacka$$ at that. The fuel that we run is 20% nitroMETHANE, not 20% nitroUSOXIDE. N20 (nitrous oxide) is a gas, if i remember correctly, 2 parts nitogen to 1 parts oxygen (Could be the other way round, i can't remember). Nitromethane is a liquid. I've read up alot on this subject, and nitrous does not hurt 2 strokes at all, and it doesn't hurt four strokes either, if you build for it.
To all those idiots that are saying "Your gona blow your motor", no you won't. You could melt a piston if your a ******, but other than that, your not going to literaly explode your motor. Stop believing movies are true, they are movies for a reason. Nitrous ISN'T flamable, so get it out of you mind that its gonna blow up.
All in all nitrous will work wonders, if you are reasonably carefull. And because of 2 strokes nature the motor will simply bog down if you inject to much nitrous for it. One of the rc magazines did a review on nitrous, they praised it, and it showed significat increases in power, without damaging there motor. So stop trying to learn engines from fast n faggotish and read.



I've read up alot on this subject,

I've read the bible, does that mean im christ?


mook

[civicslayr]

Mook- If i come off sounding like an arrogant a$$hole... well... thats cause i am one, seriously. If you were to meet me face 2 face youd probably say to yourself "That guys an a$$hole" I'm an a$$hole and am darn proud of it.

I've never hered someone call someone a tool, I'll assume it's not a good thing.

And yes that post above was made to be arrogant. I hate Hate HATE people who believe all the hype about nitrous. Now, unlike yourself, im not going to call you out. This is a thread about nitrous, not me being an arrogant a$$hole.

[civicslayr]

Oh and i have read up alot on this subject because im spraying the nova, and no you arn't christ. What does that have to do with anything? No, never mind, i don't care. Stop thread jacking.

[OutFrontFrames]

Read this... Xtreme RC Cars Review (http://www.rc411.com/pages/scopes.php?scope=28&page=1)

[civicslayr]

"The results were impressive, with a power jump from 1.41HP at 21,500rpm to 1.63HP at 21,000 rpm—a 16% increase in peak horsepower. Torque jumped to 78.71oz.-in. at 18,000rpm—an increase of 11.52oz-in. Impressive to say the least."-xtream r/c
I feel they probably would have gained more power if they would have richened the needles alittle.

[civicslayr]

"Next up was nitrous shot at 20,000rpm, which is where the HPI .28 engine's power peaked during its non-nitrous run. The results blew my mind to say the least, and the power graph tells the whole story. You can clearly see when the nitrous shot is applied at 20,000 rpm, where power spikes from 1.25HP for both engines to an absurd 1.87HP at 21,650rpm on nitrous versus the 1.41HP peak for the standard run. That's a 0.46HP increase, or an enormous 32% increase in peak power, as well as a considerable power increase all across the entire powerband. At 27,000rpm, the nitrous-shot run pulls 1.78HP versus 1.06HP for the non-nitrous shot run—a full 51% power increase. Torque also jumps during this run, from 67.2 oz.-in. to 88.32 oz.-in. for a 31% bump in axle twisting torque."-xtream r/c cars

[mook]

Stop thread jacking.

not jacking.

I would'nt speak to my dog like that. I dont have a gripe with the technical issues, just the way in which you convey them. Why oh why, cant people be civilised towards one another?

can you imagine some newbie posting that he cant start his new electric car, then people post stuff like "your an idiot, look for the on switch"

manners are free, its good to use them.

[civicslayr]

Mook... i'm ending this right now. Im an arrogant arsehole, and your... welll... i dont know. goodbye.

[Captain ahi]

You think if you could pressurize the fuel tank when you hit the Nitrous, it would richen the mixture?

[OutFrontFrames]

yep thats how my system worked. I think I explained it in here someplace.

[Captain ahi]

I'm an old time racer who used N2o to get down in the 9's. I was running 11's without it. Anyway, I've since sold the race car and now I have all these filled tanks of N2o left. I run a twin engine GTX2 truck that I got up to 55 and I want to consider a supplemental power adder. Are those tanks refillable? And can I use or fill them from my tanks?

[OutFrontFrames]

Most of them use a Whip-It style bottles which are not refillable. Now if your using a big freakin truck like that you might be able to look into some of the smaller motorcylcle sized "sneaky Pete's" or similar.

[civicslayr]

lol, i was going to suggust a sneaky pete bottle as well.

[Captain ahi]

Maybe I'll fab a trailer and tow the bottle........

[OutFrontFrames]

I believe NOS has a 10oz bottle but it is long and skinny. It may even be the same bottle that comes with the SP Dry Kit.

[ls1huntr]

We actually make a "1/5 scale" system that comes with a 4oz bottle which is refillable. You can use them on the 1/8 scale buggies. It retails for 249.00. We dont advertise it on the site but It is available. I will build a page today for it.

Randell

[Captain ahi]

Thanks! Any information you can give me would surely be helpful as I am serious about installing a "power adder". My only concerns are fit and finish. If nitrous can get me 60-65 that would be awesome!

[ls1huntr]

This is what it looks like installed on a 1/5 buggy.

http://www.nitrousexpress.com/Images/fifthgasbuggy.jpg

[Captain ahi]

Can you show me pictures of the carb side. Where do the jets go? Also is it wet or dry? And is the solenoid rated at 12v or 6?

[mook]

6vi think

[ls1huntr]

Its a 12V solenoid under 1000psi of pressure. With the low pressure that is put on these solenoids on rc systems a 9v battery should open it. Now if you have a problem opening it on the 1/5scale systems (due to the larger bottle) you can wire 2 9v batteries in series. But just one works most of the time. It is a dry system. Jets go after the solenoid.

Randell

[TrU InTeGrA]

Can you show me pictures of the carb side. Where do the jets go? Also is it wet or dry? And is the solenoid rated at 12v or 6?


pics please..of the carb side...and of the solenoid

[ls1huntr]

Ok, I have to dig these up. I have a meeting this morning. When I get done with it, I will post all the pics I can find.