DuraTrax Vendetta 1/18 scale buggy

[juntom10]

rpm bumper is really nice..lol

[MumblinBerk]

Yeah, they're great. That's why I hate being without one on the Vendetta. Strange there is so little after-market stuff for them.

-MB

[juntom10]

yes...especially for the duratrax products.....
but i like duratrax minis.... i want one..

[adult_squid]

I don't know if anybody mentioned this but i couldn't find this in the thread.
Can somebody tell me the typical battery life of the stock vendetta? and with the vr3 motor? thanks

[Duster_360]

Are you asking about run time or actually how long the batt will last? Run time with the 600mah NiCd that came with it was 5, maybe 6 minutes. the optional 1100NiMh was not quite twice that, 8 to maybe 10min. Might get a little more or a little less depending on how hard you're running it.

How long the batts will last or batt life - don't know cause I got rid of mine, gave them to my nephew to go with the MQ I bought him.

That was one of the things that impressed me the most about converting to brushless - I get 18-25 min run time now and have gotten almost 30min a few times.

[adult_squid]

sorry i meant runtime thanks Duster. thats with the stock motor or vr3?

[Duster_360]

Yeah, stock motor - I got mine long before VR3 came out so I've not compared the two in a Vendetta.

I'm running a VR3 in my older MQ (my only brushed 18th scale) but with gp1100 pacs - run time 10-12min. Running the stock MQ motor with the gp1100s I was getting just a little more run time, like an additional 2 minutes. Maybe that will give you an idea on what to expect between the motors - they seemed close to me, VR3 def performs better, runs a little hotter too. Better batts make a noticeable performance and run time diff, but its an investment since they need better connectors and a decent charger.

I practically went straight to brushless in my Vendetta - ran it maybe 5 or 6 time total with the stock motor and stock batt. I didn't want to invest the time to try the gp1100s - change connectors that sort of thing.

[MumblinBerk]

Ditto. Went straight to brushless here also. But I have to add that I ran the VR3 through two packs first. The stock battery, and a small 800ma 2-cell lipo. On both, that VR3 surprised me. Really quick!

-MB

[adult_squid]

thanks guys

[adult_squid]

oh yeah, did you guys change the pinion gear when you used the vr3 motor?

[Duster_360]

I didn't change pinions running the VR3 (in my MQ), didn't need to.
I did change to bigger wheels with the Vendetta, but didn't change pinions there either.

[juntom10]

vendetta looks so nice....lol ooh

[GT Freak]

Just A Big Rip Off Of The Mini Inferno!!!! Plus The Duratax Is Smaller Than The Mini Inferno, So It Will Never Handle As Well, Specialy With The Receiver Uptop And The Speed Control..........looks Nowhere Near Balanced. Plus the Kyosho Mini Inferno is an Original design, created by Kyosho, not out sourced!!

I know NOT!! more then anything its a baby AXIS.:teacher: also, would a stock MQ motor fit in a Venny?

[juntom10]

vendetta st = lrp shark....right??

[Duster_360]

vendetta st = lrp shark....right??

Yes. I was going to buy one from a German lhs until I saw final price. It was going to cost almost $300USD. I decided to just wait. I'm still waiting - I want DTX to sell a pro version like the MQ-SE. I want a brushless one and don't need or want the stock electronics.

http://www.hpi-shop.at/pd1134626276.htm?categoryId=5

GT Freak - the stock MQ motor will work in the Vendetta - the same VR3 fits both and its a direct swap out stock to VR3.

[juntom10]

oh....sharks electoronics looks much better!!!

[GT Freak]

awsome!!

[GT Freak]

:wave: Well, got a few parts for my 'detta. 11,12,13t pinions, new wing,wheels and tires.

[Duster_360]

Thats cool - what tires/wheels, hard to see in the pics (touch dark)?

[GT Freak]

the carbon fiber looking wheels,with stock tires.

Wheels: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXRAL6&P=Z

Wing: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXRAL1&P=Z

Vid of our local track. its 50x30 banked oval. http://youtube.com/watch?v=Sp3HyrwtYwA

[Duster_360]

Nice looking wheels. I can't run the stock tires - brushless setup will make them bald in less than 10min.

Wow, thats a face paced track! The corner marshal is getting hit as much as he's helping, lol!

[GT Freak]

laps with mod mini-t and stock 'dettas are in the 4 sec range. Also, took the detta out today, running a 13t pinion and tc3 wheels. first pack came out with melted wrapping.:eek:

[ChrisB17]

Here is my new Vendetta ST. I just got it today and Im so happy I bought this. It is by far the best mini I have ever owned. Its a amazing RC.


http://i23.tinypic.com/ws6pv.jpg

http://i24.tinypic.com/f2uckh.jpg

http://i24.tinypic.com/28bea7t.jpg

http://i20.tinypic.com/6p2kbr.jpg

[juntom10]

Actually, i quit RC..
but i really want one of those vendettas for fun...

[uaerc]

Can anyone, someone PLEASE give me the dimensions (width X height X lenght) in centimeters or inches of "the packaging box" it comes in? i need to ship it internationally by courier. need to assess how much it will shipping will cost, thnx

[Monsterbrad]

Can anybody tell me how fast this thing is compared to the rc18t?

[Monsterbrad]

Well I bought the ST for my G/f for Christmas.
I will see then if I want the buggy or the ST.
Her ST will be here this week.
SHe may get it early so I can play with it also

[juntom10]

st = better esc, motor

[Monsterbrad]

Yeah its pretty good other then the stock steering servo set up with the 2 sided tape is bogus.
Shoe goed that in place.
Its pretty good on speed for the battery thats in it.
I am probably going to get another one here shortly for myself.
Should I get the buggy or the ST
I am leaning towards the ST

[juntom10]

wow. do i need to get servo mount for st? i am also thinking of getting one..

[Monsterbrad]

I just shoe gooed it in place for now
She ran it about a 1/2 hr tonight and it was fine.
A servo mount would be better but I will change that when the servo goes.
FOr now the Shoe Goo is working great
Oh yes
So far so good with this little truggy

[GT Freak]

have the buggy version, like it alot. havent had too many probs with it.

[Monsterbrad]

broke some front upper arms and the rear drive shafts on her ST are the only problems yet.
Oh yes and the steering servo is now Shoe Goe'd in place.
I love how it handles and with the 1400 its pretty fast also.
I would like to try the buggy myself but I have heard that the speedo is not that great

[AznJunkie]

broke some front upper arms and the rear drive shafts on her ST are the only problems yet.
Oh yes and the steering servo is now Shoe Goe'd in place.
I love how it handles and with the 1400 its pretty fast also.
I would like to try the buggy myself but I have heard that the speedo is not that great


I didn’t have any problems with my ESC. But then again I only use the stock ESC for about a month before I went brushless.
I have the buggy and I think it’s awesome. There are known issues with buggy such as weak knuckles, weak shock holders, and crappy tires.

Have fun with the ST. Soon you’ll be like the rest of us….your detta will be a money pit. :D

[Duster_360]

I have the buggy as well and would add cvds and the gear diffs to the list of known weak parts. Especially if you upgrade to brushless.

I have a MQ also and never used the stock 'Detta esc which was pretty well known to be junk (same MQ esc). The ST is supposed to have a much better esc, but rumors were it had to be reset every time batt was changed??

Stock tires lasted less than one run with moderate BL power (3500kv). Gear diffs lasted about 5 months and then both went on successive outings. DTX ball diffs have been flawless so far. Have not seen a solution for buggy knuck, but have seen a pb conversion mentioned which would get rid of the awful ones the buggy has.

Replace outdrives with metal as soon as you twist'em apart. There's a ebay seller who sells just the outdrive. Stock cvd pins run loose but seating them with CA prevents losing them. I use the dtx servo hold down with a hs225mg servo (67inoz) and there is no movement - lets me break it down when I need to - I epoxied the servo to the chassis in my orig MQ to get it to stop moving. I adapted the servo clamp to my SE also - much better solution. My buggy has been one of my best rcs as far as fun and reliability is concerned!

[Monsterbrad]

my girl is running the ST and loves it with some gearing and a 1400 battery.
There are area's on it that seem a little weak plastic shafts and stuff like that but its been pretty good so far with her pounding on it.
I run a 6800 powered rc-18t and love it.
The detta is nice but I kinda feel the rc-18t is a bit better in some ways.
The ST does handle like a mini truggy and that I really like being an original truggy fan!
I would buy another ST though and possibly a buggy
they are good cars for the most part
But when you look at it like that
they all have there negatives

[AznJunkie]

.....Have not seen a solution for buggy knuck, but have seen a pb conversion mentioned which would get rid of the awful ones the buggy has...


The only real solution is to get the aluminum knuckle. I tried the screw in the stock knuckles trick but that didn't work. I can't seem to the find the PBS conversion and I heard it's kinda pricey.

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4959/img0317xc1.jpg

[Monsterbrad]

those are nice
I may have to try the buggy
What is the main thing I should do when I get the buggy other then stick the old ST battery in it???

[Duster_360]

The only real solution is to get the aluminum knuckle. I tried the screw in the stock knuckles trick but that didn't work. I can't seem to the find the PBS conversion and I heard it's kinda pricey.

http://img522.imageshack.us/img522/4959/img0317xc1.jpg

I haven't been able to find the pbs conv either. Most of the nice hopups for this are expensive, don't know why that is, I've easily spent more that I paid for it, guess purchase price was just getting started, lol!

I won't spend bucks for the alum knucks. I run mine mainly in the street and have never broken stock knucks, in spite of a lot of hi-speed tumbles and endos.

[Monsterbrad]

Got the 11 tooth and the 1400 battery in my girls truck.
Pretty fast now
I like it
Love the way the truck handles
Are the buggy's similar??

[AznJunkie]

Monsterbrad - I haven’t driven the ST yet so I can’t really say if it’s similar to driving the buggy. I can tell you that my buggy can handle really well. When I take it to the track (10th scale) it can handle jumps just fine. :D If you get the buggy you have to replace the shock holders and tires. Other than that it’s fine….that’s until you go brushless.;)

Duster_360 - Those knuckles are well worth it. At the track I kept breaking the stock knuckles. Now I have no issues. I know the feeling of spending more money on upgrades than the buggy itself. :D My brushless system cost as much as the buggy. But you know what…it’s all worth it. I freaking love my buggy. :)

[Duster_360]

I didn't mean to appear critical, it's terrific they solve your breakage prob. I'm fortunate, I have yet to break any, would be different if I was! I have a mamba 25 running a heli bl motor right now, a CoolRed 3500 that was $25 shipped on sale. Its been unreal, wished I'd bought a spare. Got loads of hrs on it and never a prob. Mine is used more like a converted 1/8 running onroad.

I am going to start changing mine looking for more speed. I've recently gotten Quark33a, Ammo BL 24-25-2900kv, and 2 Feigao's to try, a 421s (3950kv) and a 414L (another 3500kv) that's supposed to make torque for days (long can). The ammo is only 2900kv, but its a 3S motor, really supposed to be a torque monster. Will be trying to run some tall gearing for speed. I could swap a GH4800 or a hyperion 5000 in, but you start breaking stuff above 3500 or there abouts. I'm trying not to go there.

I thought about buying an new ST, but decided I'd rather play with the one I've got - everythings upgraded already. I've been watching and have caught stuff on sale/been lucky (when Apogee dumped all the Castel stuff, what a sale) and have yet to spend that much on a BL. I can't say that about my Emaxx though!

[AznJunkie]

Good luck on your BL motor quest. :) I have the Quark 33a too and I like it. I'm running a Permax 400D motor....it looks like it's hard to find now. It's a nice setup as I'm running 21/45 gearing and it still have good torque. I'm only running 2S lipo and I would like to try 3S. But it's kinda cramp in the buggy since I'm running the stock servo and reciever.

[Duster_360]

I've got pinions out to 26t so I've got some room. Novak quit making the XXL rx, but they're still around and are super small - I'd use the opportunity to change to FM, unless you wanto t go spectrum. I don't run spectrum, just too many to replace (2 txs and 17 rxs) and just bashing, yet to have a radio prob. I'm still using the stock servo too, but either hs225 or 81 will eventually replace it.

I had an Integy 3S that fit fine (extended the rear post) - it was short and keeping it to the back, fit real snug when clipped in. Only got to use it a few dozen times and had to go out of country and came back found it puffed. It was strange in that it did not come with balance wires, but this was when lipos 1st strated being available.

I ran a brushed Permax turbo in a MQ and it was a hot rod, but a little heavy for an MQ. Hows temps on the 400?

[Monsterbrad]

The rear diff gave out now
I can see what some of you meant by this thing being a money pit.
I am getting a little tired of this.
I had a MLST2 and sold it due to it's crappy nature.
But I will say I hope that the new aluminum diff cups will help.
Anybody have any problems with the spider gears after the aluminum diff cup mod.?

[Duster_360]

What was it that gave - the screws pulled out or sheared of cup? Most either just wholsale replace the entire diff or just change to ball diff. My gear diffs in the buggy lasted 9 months of pretty hard running with a bl setup, then started acting funny. Classic, couldn't really see anything wrong, but knew from replacing it with a complete diff, it was the diff.

Unless alum cup modd is cheap, I'd put the money toward the ball diff. Whose selling the cups?

Mine ('Detta buggy and MQ SE) have been far more reliable than an MLST2.

[Monsterbrad]

Well I have to say that the Vendetta ST handles very well
The little bit that I get to drive it.
She really likes it and now the gearing and the new battery it has a nice amount of power.
The diff cups somebody was selling them on ebay a while back.
thats where the ones I got are comming from.
I'll have to test them and see how they are!

[AznJunkie]

Monsterbrad - I would go with the ball diff as well. RC in general is a money pit. The detta is not that bad compare to others. I recommend geting Ball Diffs and Steal CV’s, since they get the most abuse. I replace some plastic parts with its aluminum counterparts for more strength. I can cart wheel all day and it’ll drive away. That too me is well worth the price.

Duster_360 – My permax is awesome. It runs really cool compare to the Quark ESC. I can touch the motor after running and it’s only warm. I just ran my detta, the permax max temp was 123°F and the ESC was 120°F. Both felt warm and not burning your finger hot.

[Duster_360]

AznJunkie - thanks, thats not hot at all. May try to add that one to my test list. In your pics above, you show some chrome cvds - are those mips that are made for something else and just happen to fit? Or are they the dtx steel cvds- any pics I've seen, they're not chrome.

My worst RC purchase ever was the 1st dtx alum cvds for the 'Detta - they are worse than junk, the alum shaft is way to thin to do the job and they got the clearance in cvd joint way too tight - never could finish a fullpack without one of rears binding bad enough to start it hopping and this was running in the street, not the dirt. If I'm going to buy cvds, rather buy somebody elses. Only prob I've had with mine was drive pins backing out and CA fixed that. When I start upping the torque, may be an issue. Thanks

[AznJunkie]

Yeah, I heard the DTX aluminum CV’s are bad. My steel chrome CV’s are actually made my Atomic. I was very surprise that Atomic made chrome CV’s. I bought another set, from them, before and they were black. The great part is that they were only 12 bucks. I love them and so far they lasted really well. They are well worth the money I paid.

If you’re looking for a set, you can get them from thetoys.com (http://www.thetoyz.com/cart/thetoyz_details.lasso?id=8489&cat_name=VENDETTA)

Atomic CV's comparison: chrome vs black.
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/1659/img0300bs4.jpg

[Monsterbrad]

I have the ones that are re inforced in the center and they are beefy.
Just make sure you Loc tite the set screws mine were not even tight at all

[Duster_360]

Thats cool, I'll remember that, I've done business with theToyz before, good place. I want to stay with the stock cvds as long as I can. I modded mine to use a 3mm stud that lets me use wheel nuts and not orig screws. The screws are OK for a while, but taking wheels on and off they eventually strip. The wheel nut setup is like what the smaller Xrays use.

With the steel/alum cvds, have to use the same screw and no one makes 2.5mm lock nuts and there is no room to drill out retap to 3mm. It takes some doing with stock plastic cvds, but it works.

[Monsterbrad]

I have seen the buggy with wheel nuts and Kyosho wheels
Not sure where to go to see it but I know I have seen it

[Duster_360]

I'm running the HPI mini-star wheels and HPI X pattern tires. Tires are about half gone - too many hrs to even guess how long they've been going. They are too hard when it gets colder - not much grip, but when its warm, great traction. Not much of a prob here - wait a day or so and its warmer again.

I bought a selection of 3mm threaded studs, diff lengths. Used the drill you'd use for 3mm tap - drilled the stub axles holes out. Threaded the studs in til they were right at the cvd jt. Took some fiddling to get the right length so the nut is about two threads past the end so the nyloc is engaged.

Running the studs in bulged the plastic ever so slightly and interfered with the drive hex fit, but either drill slightly bigger hole or spend 10min with xacto and shave off the excess. All said and done, the 1st one prob took 45min, the rest maybe 15total. I thinks its hexcrews that has the 3mm studs with a hex in one end, so you can use a driver to run them home, saved a bunch of time. Have yet to lose a wheel using the 3mm nuts and studs.

[glowhead777]

I have a spare Mamba motor and speed control, and would like to install in my Detta buggy. I understand that the stock pinion won't fit on the Mamba motor shaft. Can anyone supply me with a link where I can find a pinion that will fit? Also, I'd like to go 2S LiPo, without having to modify the chassis to fit it. Any suggestions (links appreciated).

[Duster_360]

Your mamba motor will run hot in the Vendetta no matter what gearing you use. Do yourself a favor and get a 2.3mm shaft motor that makes enough torque to handle the weight on the Vendetta. I tried a 5400 in a MQ and it ran hot, hot hot. I put the mamba motor in my Xray M18MT and it runs normal temps and is suited to the lighter weight of the Xray truck, Xray even comes with 2mm pinions (not 48pitch metric!!). Get a Golden Horizons, Hyperion, Permax, CoolRed, Ammo, Wraith (there are others) bl motor that are proven in Vendetta. The 25 is a great esc and all my 18ths run them currently.

I don't know of any pinion solution for the 2mm/2.3mm difference. Any of those named above have 2.3 shafts and can run stock pinions. Check Bishop Power Products or Tower.

The lipos sold by DualSky - think the biggest is now 1300 rated, fit like a glove in the Vendetta. Check StarLuck RC - he had some of the 1700 rated lipos made by DualSky for Vampower - I bought several.

[AznJunkie]

I agree with Duster_360 on the mamba motor. You’re better off with some thing more suitable for the detta such as the ammo 28-35-3900 (http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXLWY1&P=7) or GH4700. As for lipo, I’m currently using Apogee 1000mah (http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXPWH5&P=7). It’s shorter than the stock battery. I use a piece of foam to help keep the lipo battery in place. Apogee did make 1500mah (http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXMAG2&P=7) that fit perfectly but it looks like they discontinue it.

[Monsterbrad]

Anybody try that Apogee with the stock motor and speedo or is it too much?
Also will the Mamba Speedo work with that motor??

[AznJunkie]

I would be careful if you're going to use lipo with an ESC that doesn't have a cutoff for lipo batteries. You can ruin your lipos if you discharge them too low.

Which motor are you referring to, the Ammo or GH? I know the Mamba ESC works fine with the Ammo since one of my buddy is using that combo.

[Monsterbrad]

At this point the only thing that keeps this thing from going on ebay is my girl friend and the fact that the ST handles awesome.
I was going to get another one till this thing started breaking.
Drive shafts at the wheels at the drive cups
New drive shafts then the out drives broke
ehhh:mad:
Oh well that

[jaejw11]

best 2 vehicles i have ever driven....

[Monsterbrad]

Well I got some new aluminum rear drive cups and new drive shafts and this thing has been pretty good at this point.
I hope that I have gotten all the bad points worked out cause this thing is a blast to drive stock with a 1400 battery in it and an 11 tooth pinion.
Loves my little basement lay out.
It handles exactly like a full size truggy :D

[jaejw11]

btw
monsterbrad

I have wheelnuts on my buggy and I use half8th wheels/tires...

I race mine with a permax 400/4D geared at 21/45,,,, I have many videos and a link to a variety of other owners videos ,, for any interested I can post them.....

btw I have used the gh4700 in a race and smoked a rc18t powered by an aon4900 and half8th whhels,,,

I have several reviews (brushlessmotors/tires ) and set up sheets for anyone interested

[glowhead777]

I installed the Mamba speed control, Apogee 1000 mah and Ammo 28-35-3900. I've only run on pavement so far, but this thing is a rocket with very long runtimes. You should have seen the grin on my 10-year old son's face (it's really his car, but Dad can't keep his hands off of it). Can't wait to get it in the dirt. Can anyone recommend a voltage regulator/shutoff for this battery, so I don't over-discharge it?

[jaejw11]

the mamba has a setting just for that.. just set it accordingly.. btw what gearing are you using with the ammo motor.. ... here is mine.. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5837009851097563961

[glowhead777]

I don't know what gearing I have. I had an extra metal pinion that looks about the same size as the stock.
My Mamba ESC is one of the originals (about three years old) - I don't think the instructions mention anything about low-voltage shutoff, but I'll check again.

[jaejw11]

well with the ammo try a 19/41 or a 21/45 gearing,,, and you will be happier... i will post a motor review i did last year..

[jaejw11]

this is just my take on things.. not the word of god.. just what i have experienced ,,so take it with a grain of salt.. and with the introduction of the new ST im sure many ppl will want to find a good BL motor to put in there..

testing was at socal raceway a dirt track offroad supercross style track for 10th scale electrics

the buggy is sitting on half8th buggy wheels with proline crime fighter tires
the truggy is sitting on half8th ST wheels with the tires that come stock with it.. kyosho,,3racing

MAMBA 8000kv,, first brushless i tried in the detta
pro- vry fast.. would have been great if it were a 400 can
cons- extreme heat from usage
gearing-12/49

WRAITH 7K,, second brushless once the 8000kv died
pro- just as fast as the 8000kv
cons - another extremely hot motor
gearing -12/49 made it hot but 13/49 made it smokin hot

GH4700,, third motor.. perfect fit,, loved the heat sink
pro,- fast motor not as fast as 8000kv but still fast,, cooled down really fast for the buggy
con- hot.. heat issues,, did not like the half8th ST tires on the vendetta ST
gearing- 19/45 good for buggy bad for truggy even 16/45 was bad extreme heat and not fast at all

AON4900,, fourth motor after gh4700 died,, i thought this was the ticket
pro- fast but not what i thought,, i expected great things from this motor.. it was ok.. prfferred the gh4700 over this one.
con- i idnt expect it to get as hot as it did.. and the claims of it being a torque monster , it just didnt like the gearing
gearing-19/45

GH3600,, tried this motor on the on the buggy and it was decent i was shocked ,,,
pro - decent speed for the buggy and more than decent for the truggy
gearing - 19/41 for both the buggy and truggy

AMMO 28-35-3900,,,, best thing sinced sliced bread.. this is the mamba 8000kv for the truggy,,
pro- really fast.. impressed with its speed ,, i use this motor to race with
con- gets a lil warmer than i want.. but not anywhere near the heat of the others up top
gearing- 19/41

PERMAX 400/4D,,,, this would be the C4 for the buggy and truggy,, this thing continues to impress me
pro-can be geared for whatever track.. stays cooler than any motor i have used ,, this is extremely awesom
con- price,, and i cant get it to heat up,,
gearing -buggy 16/41,,19/45,,1941. truggy 16/41,,19/45(which im scared to try.. dont know what i will break)


edit..... all these motors will work with the mamba esc and the quark 33a pro car (edit changed on 5-15-07)

[jaejw11]

first i would like to thank NOFF for sending me a set of the d-bars.. i was surprisingly pleased with them.. my mouth dropped with excitement, eventhough i was skeptical..
i want to mention also.. testing tires is really work,, not like running a car.. you have to pay attention to certain details and understand why things are performing the way they are...
my testing was done at socal raceway and pegasus .. going by memory at times while others were written down after i pulled the car off the track or by watching my videos..

socal raceway clay dirt which is changed oftnen about every 3 weeks is known for having lots of bite on the track,, when it is wet/soft,, wet/hard and dry/hard
while pegasus you are trying to find traction as soon as the dry spots start showing up,, and being an outdoor track the sun blarring doesnt help.. it is noted hat pegasus
"Pegasus has a hard track surface that will break up if left dry. Tire choices will depend on how wet the track is but with continual light watering by the track crew, conditions stay pretty consistent and lap times do not differ much throughout the day. The track maintains a hard base with a slightly loose top when wet. The track can get hard and slick if left dry."


the things i was testing for were
-forward bite
-side bite
-turn in ,, on/off power
-high speed stability
-hidh speed sweepers
-controlled drifts
-in air pitch control

ok so here we go..
SOCAL RACEWAY ,, wet/soft fresh

HOLESHOTS/INSIDE JOBS stock proline foam,, reference tires
great fun to drive.. the car will wheelie about the halfway mark on the straight... the tires had good forward and side bite .. high speed stability was great.. i was able to track a straight line and the inside jobs offered the right amount of push when going into the high speed sweeper. in air control was sensitive... the taller profile soaked up a lot of track imperfections,, absorbs landings well,,, now on power turning was pushy.. since the front wheels would like to leave the ground but off power was good

CRIMEFIGHTERS,, doudled half8th proline foam
great for such a small profile with hardly any cushion.. it will wheelie on initial throttle if giving too much ,, tires offered superior traction even when caked with dirt,, this tire is great for wet/soft surface,, high speed stability was good and controlled drifting was there when you wanted it.. it had the rifght amount of push and give.. i like these tires aswell

STOCK DTX TIRES,, only ran once on the softer surface.. but they performed very well to my surprise.. i would use as a last resort though and only if the track is soft and wet or damp..


SOCAL HARD PACKED DAMP HARD..

INSIDE/HOLESHOTS,,
good traction,, will still do wheelies on the straight,, has the right amount of push on the sweeper ,, and will still push its way through slow tight turn while on power,, stilll a good overall well rounded tire,, it does what i need it to do when i need it to do it..

MINI QUAKE SPLIT BLOCKS stock soft foam
forward bite.. NONE-- it would just ride ontop of the dirt surface and not dig in......... these tires did nothing but slide all over the place.. they had no grip.. turn ins were wide and drifty.. in air control was very sensitive.. .... these tires may work well on a wet soft track,, or on a loose powdery track..

CRIME FIGHTERS
forward bite was good,,, ok-good side bite, but way more controllable than the MQ tires.. turn ins were good.. high speed stability was great.. it kept a straight line.. just watch for footprints or potholes.. the lower profile tires and shorter clearance will upset suspension.. ... good on the sweeper and coming out of the sweeper.. will keep the front wheels planted while slightly breaking he rear wheels loose enough to square off the turn,,,,, controlled drifts were easy.. without a BL motor i might have a hard time adjusting pitch in the air

STOCK DTX TIRES... just as bad as the MQ TIRES

D-BARS,, 10th scale trinity grey bomb one foam
holy jeez. these things had lil tiny claws sticking out.. this was one mutant tire.. i never had soo much traction before.. the tires were glued to the dirt,,, some might like it and others wont.. i personally didnt like it.. i couldnt not manipulate the tires like i like to do.. the tires would traction roll.... on power push is crazy.. but off power turn ins are like curving throught he dirt with a knife.. very sharp and planted... high speed sweeper is wide but planted,, that is if i could get on the sweeper without flipping over,, way too much traction for me,,, might be a great tire for someone driving on the same surface and is used to driving on carpet.. high speed stability is great,, and landing was awesome thanks to the foam inserts

WILDBOARS,, trinity bomb ones
my kind of tires,, not as great a the insidejob/holeshots or the crime fighters.. but they were ok.. a good tire to practice with.. the lil pins were just a tad too hard for the dirt... a lil wd40 sprayed on and left overnight might soften the rubber.. these tires suited my driving style more than the D-BARS..


PEGASUS,,, wet-dry

INSIDEJOBS/HOLESHOTS
sweeps and turn in were good.. allowed for quick switch backs in the "s" section,, had the right amount of push at the first turn coming off the straight.. these tires will wheelie on the straight,, tires also are more forgiving of imperfect landings and surface.. i did very well with these tires..

CRIMEFIGHTERS
love/hate these tires.. well hate is a strong word.. these tires performed very well in the wet patches and ok in the dry stuff. forward bite was good.. bit side bite on certain areas was a real push.. the "s" ssection while wet these ires would carve straight through with no problem,, and the sweeper was taken a lil too wide, but it could have been that i was pushing it too hard.. these tires would not wheelie on the straight made driving pleasurable.. just as long as the dirt was slightly wet..

MINI QUAKE
sweeper was WIDE,, turn ins were loose,, spun out a few times,, the "s" section pissed me off.. i did not like these tires at all.. even on the wet stuff..

STOCK DTX TIRES
they only do well if the track is FRESHLY watered,, once it starts to dry up.. they are just as bad as the mini quakes

D-BARS,,,,,,,,,,,,,, i almost forgot i was reviewing these tires... these tires are the tires for this track,, they offered superior traction.. but not soo much as at socal..
wet or dry these tires performed well.. but like any other tire for any other car.. get out of the groove and into the loose stuff and YOU WILL SPIN OUT..
the "s" section was taken fast and tight,, the sweeper was so tight i had to make sure i was not going to hit the inside pipes.. in air control was ok. but that is fine.. the traction at this track is what everyone is searching for.. even the race announcer said the car was riding on rails and looked good.. he even asked what tires i was using.. he did mention that it was so hooked up that it might do wheelies on the straight.. something i dont like.. well it will if i gun the throotle halfway on the straight......
landing.. oh man.. you knew the foam was doing its part.. i never heard such softer landings... i can go on and on and on about this tire on this track,, i know now that this tire is the tire to have at pegasus and even though ppl said it wouuldnt work,, "foam too hard".. "treads too big".. well i was extremely pleased

WILD BOARS.. do i even need to discuss these tires... lets just say i ran half a pack through them and didnt touch them again for the rest of the day..

summary
socal
wet/soft-- crime fighters
damp /hard--- insidejobs/holeshots
dry/hard--- inside jobs/hole shots

pegasus
D-BARS baby!!!!!!!!!!!!!

if you have any questions regarding any of these tires please feel free to ask.. thanks again to NOFF for allowing me to test these tires..

[Monsterbrad]

ONe word on all that
HOLY

[jaejw11]

why you say that..lol.. i did those months ago... i havent tested anything since.. except for the new XTM RAGE

[Monsterbrad]

Jae
You would be the person to ask these 2 questions to.
I have a buddy with a new 8000 dynamite c-4 motor and a Castle Creations Mamba speedo with a 1400 IB battery.
This thing has major power lag runs like a badly tuned 2 stroke bbbbrrrrraaaaapppp!!!!
2
Which brushless should I put in my Girl's vendetta ST that will not kill the thing but give better battery mileage and mucho power! :D

[jaejw11]

if u really want to do damage,,, try in this order
ammo 28-35-3900
ammo 28-35-5100
neu 1105/2y
neu 1105/1.5y

fromleast to greatest,,,,,

R.I.P. -Multiplex PERMAX 400/4D-

[jaejw11]

here r a few videos of motors i use... http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=5837009851097563961

here is the permax.. http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1470066542493510604

[Monsterbrad]

Holy Cow that is way too much motor
That will work for mine next winter when I build my ST
Where do I get the first one there listed ????
Mild will work for this application

[jaejw11]

towerhobbies.com

[Monsterbrad]

Are you using the Mamba speedo for these motors?

[jaejw11]

in those videos i am,, but im currently using the mamba max esc... im planning on getting the mamba sidewinder next... and not the lil 18th scale sidewinder.. the bigger one...

i have more videos that you can check out on youtube and google.com,, under the name jaejw1

[Monsterbrad]

Well I am going to have to put the brushless thing on hold
Home issues at the moment
I just need to win the lotery so I can afford all the RC stuff I need and want
:D
Till then thanks for the brushless help for this lil truggy

[Duster_360]

Don't know if you've seen it, but this was mentioned in this months RCCA, DTX is packaging a PB conversion for older 'Dettas -

http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXTZN7&P=7


Mine is on the way!

[T-Maxxahol]

So I am buying a house with a basement.. I am a buggy guy and run outdoors but was thinking of getting a vendetta ST to practice on a homebuilt carpet track ill be puttin up in the basement..

Are these good cars will they suit me to practice with.. layout will be pretty technical and small..

[NitroCrackers]

just bought a vandetta with a golden horizon 4700kv motor and I want to run it with a 4s lipo through a quark 33amp. Can anyone help me with gearing?

[NitroCrackers]

I need to buy a new pinion, atleast, and mabye a new spur, what pitch and bore should I buy? I am really aiming for ~70mph just becuase. :cool: