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aeajr
10-29-2005, 05:13 AM
Spread Spectrum - Perhaps the perfect solution for parkflyer and electric Helicopter pilots

In the old days, when glow planes were king and you had to spend a long time building your plane, you almost had to have the help of a a club and the use of a club field. Finally, after investing all this time and money, you really WANTED the help of an instructor to help you preserve and protect your time and money investment. The club instructor system was, and still is a very good system. But new technology has brought new options, and change.

Enter the small electrics, often called parkflyers. RTFs, ARFs, and foamies mean you can get into the air quickly. The small, quiet nature of these planes means that they can be flown in more places without drawing attention. People are flying them in parks, school yards and some of the slow flyers can even be flown in front yards and in school gyms. And, because they are inexpensive and easy to buy and fly, people are teaching themselves to fly. If you crash the plane, some will just bounce, and many of the others are easy to fix with good parts availability. For relatively little time and money expense, you can replace the whole plane. What could be bad about this?


THE PROBLEM - Channel Conflict on 72 and 27 MHz

One of the concerns of the RC flying community is that people flying off the club fields are not being taught about frequency control within the 72 MHz RC airplane hobby band. The feeling is that these off field flyers are begining to represent a danger to the safety of planes and people on and off the club fields. If you are flying your RC plane at some school yard you could interfer with those on the the club fields or with other parkflyer pilots elsewhere. You could be causing crashes and not even know it. Or you could be subject to loss of control of your plane and not know why.

The issue is channel conflict. If you are flying on the same channel as another flyer, one or both of you will crash. With the range of today's equipment, you might be a mile away from the other flyer and still effect each other. The AMA recommends that club fields be at least 3 miles apart for this reason.

In the past channel conflict has been handled by frequency control procedures on club fields. But, with the dawn of the low cost parkflyers, many new pilots are not members of clubs and are flying ourside of the frequency control procedures of the clubs.

Pilots using 27 mhz may feel they are not at issue here as their radios typically have shorter ranges and don't impact 72 mhz club radios. However some of the 27 mhz planes are being flown on club fields. In addition, 27 MHz is not dedicated to airplanes. Someone running an RC car on the other side of the park could easily turn your plane into an out of control missle or, at least, turn it into a pile of junk. This could happen and the two of you might not even be within sight of each other. So 27 MHz carries its own problems. What to do?

THE SOLUTION - Spread Spectrum 2.4 GHz

Enter a new offering, Spread Spectrum 2.4 GHz radio systems for parkflyers. This technology was introduced to the RC car community a while ago and has been growing in popularity. This new system is extremely well suited to the parkflyer community and does not interfer with the 72 MHz radio that are traditionally used by the club flyers. It also does not conflict with 27 MHz planes, cars or boats. In fact, by design 2.4 GHz devices of all kinds are made to work around each other without conflict. No channel control is required as it is designed right into the specifications of the radio. It is totally automatic!

So, what does this mean to the parkflyer pilot looking for his first RC radio system? It means a new 6 channel computer radio choice that may be the best of all worlds in a radio system. And, it is competitive in price and features with the entry level 5 and 6 channel 72 MHz computer radios while avoiding the whole channel conflict issue. You avoid conflict with the airplane clubs and with other pilots, rc cars and rc boats in the area. Sounds good!

Horizion Hobby has begun distribution of a 2.4 GHz Spread Spectrum system from SPEKTRUM. SPEKTRUM has been selling these systms for RC cars for a while. When you compare it to entry level computer radios like the Futaba 6EXAS, the Hitec Flash 5SX or the Airtronics VG 6000, it is quite competitive in price and features. And since the radio is targeted at the parkflyer community, it is packaged with 4 micro servos and a micro receiver that are very appropriate for these planes.

If you are considering an entry level 6 channel computer radio to fly your planes, add this one to the list of radios you consider.

DX6 DSM 6CH Park Flyer/Micro-Heli System $199
Includes 6 channel micro receiver and 4- S75 micro servos
http://www.spektrumrc.com/DSM/Better/DX6-glance.html
http://www.horizonho6 Channel Park Flyer System
http://www.rchobbies.org/spektrum-dx6.htm


Digital DSM* Spread Spectrum Modulation
• 10-model memory
• Dual rates on aileron and elevator
• Exponential rates on aileron and elevator
• Dual and exponential rates can be combined on one switch
• Trainer system compatible with Spektrum* and JR® radio systems.
• Adjustable stick length
• Throttle trim only affects idle position
• Two-speed scrolling
• Throttle-smart fail-safe system
• Digital trims for precise adjustment

Airplane Specific Features
• Aileron to rudder mixing
• Elevator-to-flap mixing
• Flap-to-elevator mixing
• Flaperon mixing
• Delta wing mixing ( elevons)
• Aileron differential
• V-tail mixing
• Three programmable mixes

Helicopter Specific Features
• Two 3-point throttle curves
• Three 3-point pitch curves
• Flight mode switch can combine throttle curves, pitch curves, dual and expo rates,
and gyro sensitivity
• Throttle hold
• Revolution mixing up and down
• One programmable mix
• Supports 120° CCPM mixing
• Independent digital trim setting for each flight mode


More information - Spektrum
http://www.spektrumrc.com/DSM/Better/DX6.html

Longbranch
12-09-2005, 10:42 PM
OK aeajr, you've convinced me to look into these more thoroughly. I was just about set on the Futaba 6exas for $180, but there are a lot of good points about this. The $20 difference is negligable to me, and since I fly in a remote rural area, the whole crowded flying field angle is a moot point. However, I like the digital connection and who doesn't like the chance for no interference of any sort? As you may recall from other threads, I have been going the Parkzone path, and am ready to step up to something more manueverable, definitely with ailerons. I was nearly ready to buy the PZ StrykerB, but now I'm having trouble with my Super Decathlon's batteries, most likely the false peak others have talked about. When I step up to more performance in the aircraft, I definitely want to get into Lipos and something with plenty of power, possibly brushless. There are many planes out there that would do, the question now is if I'm going to invest in a DX6, what plane to put it in?

At any rate, while the 6exas would be fine for me out here in the boonies where other fliers are not a factor, are there features of the Futaba that might be something I'd miss if I got the DX6 instead? What do you think aeajr? Would you mind giving me your comparison between the two systems in light of my relative skill level and intended use? I'd appreciate any thoughts you'd care to share. Thanks.

LB

aeajr
12-10-2005, 12:30 AM
While there can always be some feature on one radio vs the other, overall I think the specs on the DX6 look very very good, and richer than the 6EXAS feature list. I also like the range on the receiver in the DX6 better than the micro receiver in the Futaba which only has a 650 foot range.

Downside? It is not appropriate for sailplanes. 3000 feet is more than enough for parkflyers and planes up to about 60" wing span, in my opinion. But I would consider that marginal for a 79" 2M sailplane and definately not enough for a 3M sailplane.

If you are strongly motivated to fly 2M and larger thermal duration sailplane, Iwould go with the Futaba. If not, go with the DX6.

BTW it has enough rage for discus and hand launched gliders under 60", and slope gliders under 60". For those it should be fine too.

Only you can say for sure but that is the only downside I see, and that comes from a committed sailplane pilot. If I was looking for a second radio for my electrics, slope gliders and other smaller planes, this would be the radio I would get.

Longbranch
12-10-2005, 12:45 AM
Thanks aeajr,

I reached the same conclusion a few days ago, but wanted to see if there was anything else you might add. Thanks for the great advice. I'm not into sailplanes, as I don't have anywhere to fly them here. Currently electric park flyers fit my needs the best, and it certainly looks like the DX6 fits my needs too. I will post in the park flyer column and ask for advice from everyone on a plane to put the DX6 in. Thanks again!

LB

Sorcerer001
12-23-2005, 10:36 AM
My wife bought this for me for Christmas. Being that I'm new to flying, it seemed to me that this thing has every feature anyone could ever use in an electric plane, and then some. So my questions is, what does this "entry level" radio lack, that a "high end" radio has?
I've been racing rc cars for over 20 years, and I always run high-end computer radios (currently an R-1 Pro with Spektrum). I'll be the first to admit that I just like all the gadgetry, and I really don't use anythng beyond EPA, throttle and steering curve, and trim adjustments. I'm sure I could still win races with much cheaper gear, since most of the budget computer radios have most of the same features - typically the same features that I use.
Why would a veteran pilot scoff at the thought of using the Spektrum (not that it's happened)? I like expensive surface radios because of their feel - a little heavier, feel more substantial. The DX6 has a nice feel too it. Not so light that it feels cheap, but not so heavy that wrist fatigue would set in during a 20 minute flight.
I guess my point is that I don't understand what another radio would have (short of the 14MZ) that would make anyone chose it over the Spektrum for a parkflyer. I suppose the big one right now is the range, as I assume that's what limits the DX6 as a parkflyer-only radio?

Sorcerer001
12-23-2005, 10:55 AM
Double post.

aeajr
12-24-2005, 12:14 AM
That radio has plenty of features but it is far from an advance airplane radio. Figure $300-$500 to get to the next level ( radio alone ) and they go over $2000 to get into the top of the line.

What does it lack?

4 wing servo programing

unlimited model memories

extensive mixing capabilities

Misc switches, sliders, dials and such to control other things

No expo on the rudder. Useful in 3D flying, but not requried

It has 6 channels. Mine has 9 and they go up to 14 channels that I have seen.

Futaba 9C - mine - $300 - just look at the radio and you start to understand
http://www.futaba-rc.com/radios/futj85.html

Futaba 14MZ - About $2200
14 channels, dual processors, all kinds of stuff!
http://www.14mz.com/

Other stuff, but none of this is necessary for the average flyer. When you are ready to lay down big bucks and get into complex planes, full house or scale sailplanes or Jets, you can look to move up. For now you have PLENTY of radio there. Enjoy it!

SabreHawk
12-29-2005, 07:34 PM
Well I've had my eye on this for a couple weeks now, and have decided to buy it after the first of the year.

I have just got back into the hobby after a few years away, and well...........im just not that interested in the club thing, or club fields. I probably wont be getting into anything other than electrics, and park type flyers(dont feel like getting back into building agin either)

Yep, I think it's got all the stuff, both fancy & standard, the price is just right. And Im not going to worry that I may interfere with anyone operating on std air freq. nearby or anyone for that matter.

aeajr
12-30-2005, 12:28 AM
Welcome back!

TwoWalks
01-04-2006, 11:13 AM
I went the other way - trying everything possible to convince myself not to get the DX6. The only reason I could come up with: If I wanted to get into Giant Scale. Well its a great dream and its not likely. Realism sets in: I have to drive 200 miles to pick up my DX6 or have it shipped from a mail order house. A DX6 will soon be in Sonora, California.

aeajr
01-05-2006, 06:00 AM
Let me update this. I have been actively following the market testing and user experience on the DX6. They have been nothing short of outstanding. Look for yourself.

More information - Spektrum
http://www.spektrumrc.com/DSM/Better/DX6.html

Indepth - Part 1
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Explore/Article.aspx?ArticleID=1535

Indepth - Part 2
http://www.horizonhobby.com/Explore/Article.aspx?ArticleID=1535&Page=2

Product Reviews
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=623
http://www.rcgroups.com/links/index.php?id=4936

detailed field test - see post 16-25, 31-33, 66, 82, 96-101, 118, 142, 171, 178, 180,
http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=452817&page=2&pp=15

Practical field report from a user.
http://www.flyingcirkus.com/forum/Flew_and_Biff-_tested_JR_Spread_Spectrum/m_96209/tm.htm


Guys, please be sure to post your experience with the radio so others will know.