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ra272
11-19-2005, 10:35 AM
Hi, I have seen on Novak website that it's only possible to use a novak brushless motor (velociti 5.5 or any other) with a Novak esc. I guess the LRP Sphere use the same sensored technology, so why can't I use a Velociti or a 5800 on my Sphere?
Thank you very much.
Michel from France.
ElectricThunder
11-19-2005, 12:29 PM
Hi, I have seen on Novak website that it's only possible to use a novak brushless motor (velociti 5.5 or any other) with a Novak esc. I guess the LRP Sphere use the same sensored technology, so why can't I use a Velociti or a 5800 on my Sphere?
Thank you very much.
Michel from France.
You can. They're all interchangeable. You just can't go running a hacker motor on a sphere or GTB, but you can run a velociti or ss motor on a sphere, and the neo motors on the GTB.
ra272
11-19-2005, 12:59 PM
Ok thank you; Have someone tried this combination?
Can Charlie from Novak explain why Novak don't wan't to use Novak motors with other electronics?
ElectricThunder
11-19-2005, 01:46 PM
Ok thank you; Have someone tried this combination?
Can Charlie from Novak explain why Novak don't wan't to use Novak motors with other electronics?
I think someone on here is running the 5800 or a velociti on the sphere. The reason they probably say don't run novak motors on other escs is probably for warranty reasons. There may be more problems fixing it if you run a novak motor on a sphere as opposed to a novak/novak setup. I don't think they're specifically against running novak motors on LRP stuff though.
SpEEdyBL
11-19-2005, 06:30 PM
You don't think novak wants you to buy their motor for their esc? :rolleyes:
ElectricThunder
11-19-2005, 08:41 PM
You don't think novak wants you to buy their motor for their esc? :rolleyes:
Obviously they want you to run their stuff, but I doubt there's any harm in running a Novak on an LRP esc, or vice versa.
That was the idea of the ROAR rule for a standard sensor connection
ra272
11-20-2005, 03:18 PM
That was the idea of the ROAR rule for a standard sensor connection
yes, I remember that, but on the velocity instructions you can read:"NOVAK MOTORS WITH NOVAK ESCs ONLY:Velocity series of motors are designed for use with sensor based NOVAK brushless ESCs only!".
Are they mad? They don't want to sell motors to Sphere owners ? :D
So, if they don't wan't to sell me a motor, I will wait for the two star REEDY NEO.... :p
We all know they do work though. What novak are saying is they cannot gurantee the quality of other peoples hardware, so it could damage the novak product ;).
Rtsbasic
11-20-2005, 04:26 PM
And of course they would prefer people run Novak motors with Novak ESC's to make a bit more $$. I think the message they put there should read closer to "Use with compatible sensor based brushless ESC's only!", seeing as there's a standard connection they build them by.
But what if a fly by night company released an esc that damaged the novaks motors but had the correct connection?
It's the same with all products like this, the manufacture is bound to advise you to use their "other" equipment in conjunction with it. There is no point moaning at novak, they are doing the same as I would expect any comapany to do.
It's like if you buy a Ford car. They only recommend you use their parts or the car will not work properly etc etc.
Rtsbasic
11-20-2005, 05:04 PM
Valid point, but its not like this with brushed motors. I don't buy an LRP motor and it tell me I should only use with LRP speed controllers. Why's brushless any different? I know they won't change it nor is it unexpected, but the whole point of having a standard in place like that is so you can mix and match, which Novak are dis-couraging.
The first thing that springs to mind is the sensors, a bad esc could damage the sensors.
ra272
11-21-2005, 06:02 AM
Valid point, but its not like this with brushed motors. I don't buy an LRP motor and it tell me I should only use with LRP speed controllers. Why's brushless any different? I know they won't change it nor is it unexpected, but the whole point of having a standard in place like that is so you can mix and match, which Novak are dis-couraging.
One BIG point for b3racer....
One BIG point for b3racer....
Novak don't sell brushed motors, haha
1 Point to me :D
ra272
11-21-2005, 08:36 AM
Novak don't sell brushed motors, haha
1 Point to me :D
MMmmmh, if Novak don't sell brushed motors...it's impossible tu use a GTX :D :D :D :D
Rtsbasic
11-21-2005, 08:36 AM
Lol. Jev I don't see what that has to do with it, but hey whose keeping score? :p
MMmmmh, if Novak don't sell brushed motors...it's impossible tu use a GTX :D :D :D :D
But Novak don't say you have to use the GTX with their motors, probably because they don't sell any. If they did sell brushed motors, I bet they would say only use the gtx with novak brushed motors :p
SpEEdyBL
11-21-2005, 02:13 PM
Novak just doesn't want people to put a feigao or a hacker and complain that it doesn't work. Novak probably didn't even test the reedy motor or any other sensorless motors from other brands since they didn't even test there own ss5800 on the gtb. They don't want to be held liable for motors that don't work.
CharlieS
11-22-2005, 01:55 PM
I guess the wording could be slightly different to clarify. But more then anything else, we want users to seriously research what they will use. A warning like that caused someone ask why, then getting a confirmed answer. I supposed we could change the wording to , "Novak Approved". I'll be sure to point that out to managment on the next go round of packaging.
Thanks Guys.
ra272
11-22-2005, 02:46 PM
I guess the wording could be slightly different to clarify. But more then anything else, we want users to seriously research what they will use. A warning like that caused someone ask why, then getting a confirmed answer. I supposed we could change the wording to , "Novak Approved". I'll be sure to point that out to managment on the next go round of packaging.
Thanks Guys.
Thank you very much for this answer.
If think it could be a good idea to edit a listing of "Novak approved" motors for the GTB and (for me) "Novak approved" esc for the 5800 and velociti.
For now, I still don't know if a Novak 5800 can work with my Sphere....
CharlieS
11-22-2005, 05:39 PM
It should. Really that's LRP's department though right??
We've tested our Motors with the LRP ESC that we've got, but we're not in the position to give public approval of this as it's not our product. But the whole Idea behind these "approved" based motors, is that they are interchangable. I'm pretty sure someone here has pointed that out already.
Thanks
ElectricThunder
11-22-2005, 07:48 PM
It should. Really that's LRP's department though right??
We've tested our Motors with the LRP ESC that we've got, but we're not in the position to give public approval of this as it's not our product. But the whole Idea behind these "approved" based motors, is that they are interchangable. I'm pretty sure someone here has pointed that out already.
Thanks
LOL! I find it funny that you guys went out and bought an LRP ESC. At least you do your homework though.:D :)
Rtsbasic
11-22-2005, 08:41 PM
I would be downright shocked if there wasn't at least one or two LRP ESC kicking around Novak's offices anyway..have to know your competition :)
nicholcgn
11-22-2005, 10:09 PM
The wording is not so much the problem but what would you hold Novak to? If they said it was compatable with the sphere 3 star and then LRP made a change and it cooked your controller what would you do? And the opposite could be said. If LRP approved the GTB and then a running change caused you to kill the motor you would want LRP to back it. These companies can only be responsible for what they build. This holds highly true during the initial phases of a tech for someone. 10 years from now no one will worry about it being compatable. Until then I would bet the legal departments will
tell them no way on saying the other guys product is compatible.
It is also one of those things. If you don't tell them you hooked the other guys product up it is hard for them to know. But I bet you won't get away with it to often. Right now I would recommend staying in brand.
CharlieS
11-23-2005, 11:00 AM
Actually AE and us, as well as LRP in Germany are all on fairly good terms. No hostility or excessive secrecey at all. We're working together on the IFMAR and Roar Rules when topics come up.
We have one of "everything" at least here. Doesn't everyone......
azmio
01-29-2006, 10:56 AM
Hi, I have seen on Novak website that it's only possible to use a novak brushless motor (velociti 5.5 or any other) with a Novak esc. I guess the LRP Sphere use the same sensored technology, so why can't I use a Velociti or a 5800 on my Sphere?
Thank you very much.
Michel from France.
Dude,
I run my Sphere ESC with Novak 5800 motor. It's far more smoother in term of power delivery, brake and drivability if compared to the SS ESC.