No Fuel Please Help!

[Abednego]

hey, i have a savage 25 and i havn't had it running in quite awhile, i'm still amatuer at tuning and everything. I can't wait to drive it in the snow, but i gotta get it running first, i decided to work on it today. its not getting any fuel from the tank, i cover the exguast pipe with my finger and without the glow plug lighter on i take my roto start and prime it, my roto start seems do die right away, i think its the old batteries cuz i've had them for a few years and they've been through lots so i took my drill and am using it, it goes just fast enough that it should start, but theres no fuel going through the pipe when i try and prime it, there obviously something wrong, please help me out, or if your wondering more just ask, i really wanna get it running and would sure appreciate your help!

[chrisoneal]

check u lines to make sure that there are no holes. Make sure ur fuel tank
o ring dont leek.And this might be stupid but make sure there is fuel in the tank.

[Abednego]

yeah the lines look good, but i'll check it over again, the fuel filter might have something to do with it i dunno, i had the engine top off a little while ago, i doubt, but that might have done something

[OldGary]

I have same problem before. The problem was the engine hydro locked. Because, you may not see the tube have fule already. The way to check the fule already there or not is PULL the fuel tube off from the engine, then you may see the fule already there. If this is the case, you can just follow the procedure to solve the hydro lock, then you go! Good luck!

[dhutch]

Yeah, check the lines, but also check the exhast header is on fully and silicon couplers not goosed.


Daniel

[zakerid]

are you sure the drill is spinning in the correct direction?

[dhutch]

are you sure the drill is spinning in the correct direction?
Thats a good point an all!!

[zakerid]

Thats a good point an all!!
if i am thinking correctly he should be running the drill in reverse for the roto-start...

[Dad-to-a-Marine]

If you had it sitting and did not blow out the fuel filter then the fuel could have gunked up inside the filter (when the nitro and methanol evaporate they leave behind a white deposit). Take it off and try to blow through it. Better yet replace it so you don't get any gunk into the carb.

[Abednego]

thx, i acually thought of that too and the drill IS running the right way LOL, i'll blow through the fuel filter and see if it gets air through or not, also whats the engine hydro lock, i kinda lost you on that one?

[OldGary]

hydro locked, someone call flooded engine, there is too much fuel in the engine, and the piston cannot expel the fuel fast enough, so the engine jams.

You may search "hydro locked" or "flooded engine" from whole forum, then have more info.

[chrisoneal]

just take the glow plug out and try starting it a couple of times and it should clear out.Then put glow plug back in and fire it up

[4DMNYC]

Did you check to see if any of your nipples or needles are clogged? Are the fuel lines on backwards? Dose the engine still make good compression? Is there a crack in the fuel tank?

[Abednego]

hey, its not flooded, the fuel line is empty, its that its not getting any fuel, the priming isnt working, i dunno, i guess i'll keep trying but i'll have to bring it to my lhs next time i'm in winnipeg, its an hour one way from here. what happens if the fuel lines are backwards?

[4DMNYC]

You won't get any fuel into the carb.

[Abednego]

k, i'll switch them around and see, but just curious though, how would it stop it?

[dhutch]

Ok, there should be two lines, from the exhast to the TOP of the tank, and then a line from BOTTOM of the tank to the Carbereter. (possably via a fuel filter)

Take the line to the exhast off the top of the tank, and blow down it, nothing should happen, but you should be able to blow down it (otherwise the exhast nipple is blocked)

Then put that end back ontop of the tank, and take the other end of the line off the exhast, hold the tanks lid open, and blow down that. Again nothing should happen, but you should be able to blow down it (it has been know for nipples on tanks to not get formed properly when there moulded)
- Then let got of the lid, and blow gently down it, fuel shoudl raise up out of the tank and do towards the carb, dont blow to much or you will flood it it.
- If you dont get fuel coming up the line to the carb, take it of the carb, and try and blow fuel up it again (to see if nipple at the base of the tank in blocked)

If all of the goes smoothly, and its all clear, and you geting fuel into the carb, try and start it using the fuel you've just recently blown into the engine.
- Also, you can take the airfilter off and dribbling SMALL amounts of fuel directly into carb. (this is what i do to prime my engine every day)

Try that, and post back how it goes.


Daniel

[4DMNYC]

If the fuel lines are on backwards your system will not make the propper back pressure to pump the fuel through the lines. When I say backwards I don't mean, just switch them around. Make sure that the line coming out of the cap on the tank feeds into the pipe, and the other feeds into the carb.

*EDIT* dhutch beat me to it :)

[Abednego]

ic what you mean by backwards now lol, i was thinking the obvious, switch them around but anyways, i almost got it to work, i'm charging my glow plug starter and then it should go cuz, this sounds strange, but it worked, i took a bycicle pump and put the needle peice on for blowing up soccer balls etc. and i put it in the line, with the other end going to the top of the tank, then slowly pressed it untill fuel made it to the carb, it started then, but i just gotta charge my glow plug starter and then it should work, so the nipple on the exaughst pipe must be blocked, or theres a air leak somewhere

[dhutch]

...i took a bycicle pump... ...put it in the line... ...then slowly pressed it untill fuel made it to the carb
Yeah, that would work, but i would miss the taste of fuel and oil.

- Did you try blowing into the exhast nipple like i said?


Daniel

[Abednego]

not yet, i'm going to, keep forgetting >:(

[kawasakirider]

did u take the glowplug out to prime it or just take the warmer off? take the glowplug out

[Abednego]

it works when i use my crazy bike pump idea lol, i usually never have to take the plug out, what would that do? just curious. i havn't worked on my truck since last night, so i havn't tested to see if the exaughst nipple is blocked, but i can get it to run, just gotta tune it :( it's a comin though, by the way THANKS to everyone who helped out.

[dhutch]

did u take the glowplug out to prime it or just take the warmer off? take the glowplug out
You take you glow plug out :confused:

[zakerid]

You take you glow plug out :confused:
i am guessing that he is suggesting to prime the engine by putting fuel directly into the cylinder... could possibly help.

[4DMNYC]

Yeah, I've done that before. But if you have a problem with the fuel getting to the carb, it'll start and burn off that fuel you poured in really quick and then die. 9 times out of 10 it won't solve the problem.

[zakerid]

Yeah, I've done that before. But if you have a problem with the fuel getting to the carb, it'll start and burn off that fuel you poured in really quick and then die. 9 times out of 10 it won't solve the problem.
very true... I wonder if his tank is cracked.

[Abednego]

hey, its all working now and its good to go, its freakin fun driving in the snow, i'm gunna make a huge jump, thanks for everyones help

[dhutch]

Hey, no problem, glad your able to make us eof your snow!
- What was the problem, do you know?

We had a our first 'snow' this year just now.
- infact ill take a photo for you!


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http://img508.imageshack.us/img508/9729/snow0ng.jpg
- there we go, thats 3hours worth and all we've had this year!!


Daniel

[Dad-to-a-Marine]

hey, its all working now and its good to go, its freakin fun driving in the snow, i'm gunna make a huge jump, thanks for everyones help


What solved the issue? Kind of curious so I know what do first when it happens to me! :)

[Abednego]

holy man, three hours of snow here =3 feet lol, were do you live? i think the nipple of the exuaghst was blocked, but i dont know, its working thats the main thing!

[Abednego]

i'll let you guys know when i figure out what the problem was, i'll probably inspect my truck tomorrow, i think usuing the drill did something not cool to the roto start on the engine, i'll have it apart tomorrow talk to you then

[kawasakirider]

yep take the glowplug out put your finger over the exhaust and pull it a few times until you can see the fuel going into the carburretur it should fix your problem

[dhutch]

holy man, three hours of snow here =3 feet lol, were do you live? i think the nipple of the exuaghst was blocked, but i dont know, its working thats the main thing!
Yeah, i live in the UK tho, so thats why!
- Its all gone now, becuase it rained over night.


Daniel

[Abednego]

man this is crazy, i took my engine off the truck to find: 2 skrews holding the roto start on are missing, the others are loose, skrews holding the purple peice that the engine mount sits on are missing, the clutch bell just simply comes off, theres a bunch of stuff missing that holds it on! but it was at the point were it still worked like that!? so i dunno whats up, i'll have to find some pics and see what my trucks all missing, guess next time i'm at my lhs i wont be getting the hop-ups i've been saving for, but the parts i'll need i bet. :mad: