RCX – Mamba Max has an official date

[djbodies]

I was at RCX over the weekend. I stopped by Castle Creation and talked to one of their rep. They have give an official release date for the Mamba Max – June 15th, 2006.

[ATC350X]

any price ideas???

[djbodies]

around 200 - 230

[ATC350X]

wow that seems like a pretty good deal?? I might hold off on until it is released...

[Rtsbasic]

When I was in a live chat with Shawn Palmer of Castle Creations a few months ago, their pricing plan at the time was $150 for the lower end unit, and $200 for the Monster version. They could have changed it since then of course.

[enricopalazzo]

look forward to it.

[brushless losi]

is there two different kinds? r they both coming out the same time

[ElectricThunder]

is there two different kinds? r they both coming out the same time
Yes. The Mamba Max and the Mamba Monster Maxx (I think those are their names). One's for 1/10 applications, the other is for MTs and 1/8 conversions or whatever else you can throw at it probably. I'm not sure if they're both coming out at the same time, you'd have to ask castle creations or djbodies, since he's the one who went to RCX.

[tcolesen]

The Monster version won't be out for a while. I think the rep that I spoke with at RCX said that they are having a problem with the motor or something like that.

Anyways, I can't wait to be able to "test" one of these things in the next week or so :).

[ElectricThunder]

Anyways, I can't wait to be able to "test" one of these things in the next week or so :).
I hate you beta testers....so very...very much....:D:D:D Definitely let us know how it is though! :p

[JDT]

Does anyone know if they have a retail store in Olathe? That is less than 2 hours from my house, I need a good reason to go to KC to meet up with my buddies from Springfield to do some gambling anyway.

[Nightmare_au]

Woohooo.. good stuff... I must admit I was starting to stray and browse other brushless systems.. all going well should not be too far ahead :)

[Nightmare_au]

Then again...
05-25-2005, 02:32 AM
FLYBOY7
release date is 6-8 weeks for the Mamba Maxx....
Tim Mohr
Castle Creations Factory Driver

We had almost the same news a year ago :( :( :(

[ElectricThunder]

Then again...


We had almost the same news a year ago :( :( :(
I have good faith that Castle will deliver this year.:)

[mtucker]

They at least had the Mamba Max motors to demo at RCX. That is promising.
I also have been checking the CC web page since December waiting for some news. I almost pulled the trigger on the GTB6.5 at the RCX show (Hobby People had them on sale), but the demo and talking to some of the CC people has me holding off. I really hope they meet the June 15th date. I have a new truck just about ready for a motor. I don't mind waiting a few weeks as long as that doesn't stretch out into months.

Here is some video of the CC Mamba Max motors in action at RCX.

http://kahuna.sdsu.edu/~tucker/airplanes/RCgroups/Mamba_Max_RCX_2006.wmv

Matt

[rca]

does the price of 200-230 comes with motor? selectable like the 1/18 version?

[FLYBOY7]

Nightmare.....

yup..... that was the plan last year as well.... LOL...... i helped demo the MM at the spring 2005 RCX, and CC thought they were pretty close at that time... but they had a few things come up since then... what really matters now is how the end result works.... the public will have the final say if it was worth the wait or not...... but if your jaw drops like mine does every time i pull trigger on it, you won't be worried about how long it's taken.... LOL.....


Tim Mohr
CC Factory Driver

[Nightmare_au]

Well I must admit a QUARK system did catch my eye a few months ago while I was browsing an online shop. Just hope this Mamba Max system does come out next month, I love my Mamba 25 - would be great to have its big brother :)

But yes thumbs up to CC for taking the time and fixing the problems/issues they had, that is the most important thing.

[JDT]

I think the official press release was 1-15-05 for both the 1/10 and Monster Truck ESC, I have played with some 1/18 systems from CC, it will be worth the wait.

[rca]

[QUOTE=FLYBOY7]Nightmare.....

yup..... that was the plan last year as well.... LOL...... i helped demo the MM at the spring 2005 RCX, and CC thought they were pretty close at that time... but they had a few things come up since then... what really matters now is how the end result works.... the public will have the final say if it was worth the wait or not...... but if your jaw drops like mine does every time i pull trigger on it, you won't be worried about how long it's taken.... LOL.....


Tim Mohr
CC Factory Driver[/QUOTE


TOO much power??? I'm not complaining :D

[Stormbasher3100]

Is the release date of June 15 still realistic?

[ElectricThunder]

Is the release date of June 15 still realistic?
To my knowledge, I believe so. Maybe a little later in June, but June none-the-less.

[Rotary Rocket]

Welcome to 6/1/06. :D

15 days to go and counting...

[Rtsbasic]

Any word from a member of the public test yet? If they have the units out etc.

[tcolesen]

It's not a public test :). Testing ends soon, except for some.

[Rtsbasic]

Travis, you don't work for CC, you are instead testing it as a member of the public under an NDA, that in my books is a public test? :)

[tcolesen]

But we must keep it "under the covers." In that sense, it's not public. Although yes, we are part of the "normal" public. Just depends upon how you look at it. :)

[ElectricThunder]

Beta testers do not exist... Mamba betas do not exist... You will forget everything read in this thread....:D

[mtucker]

I wonder if any of the CC authorized dealers will be taking pre-orders. I wouldn't mind putting the cash up front to be sure I am one of the first to get the Mamba Max.

I found the Mamba Max ESC listed on a web page with a price and a coming soon note. Its at the very bottom of the page.
http://www.megamotorusa.com/Shopping/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=30&cat=RC+Cars

I was expecting the entire combo to be not much more than that ($160). You would think CC would have/want to beat the competitions prices by at least $30 or $40.

Matt

[Nightmare_au]

Mtucker - I wouldn't worry about that megamotorusa link - The max has bee listed for quite some time! (over a year I think?) I remember finding the page a long time ago when I was on a crazy search for any information.

[JakeE]

I'm really looking forward to the Max. I have an RC10 and a Stampede that could both use new propulsion (just say no to brushed motors :) ).

[SixVi6-Camaro]

Man finally!!! I'm either going to convert one of my Nitro 1/8 buggies to a Mamba Max or get a whole new RC to build using the Max. I love the Mamba and Castle link in my RC18t I've been waiting for seemingly forever for this!

[tcolesen]

This is the 1/10 Mamba Max. It won't work well for a 1/8 buggy. You're going to have to wait until the Monster Mamba Max (or whatever it will be called) to use in a 1/8 buggy.

[JDT]

%*^& I thought this was both systems release date, I want to just buy the monster now in case my future needs exceed my present needs. Any ideas on the Monster Version release date?

[Nightmare_au]

Are we there yet? :) :)
ohhh I hope its getting close. When we finally are able to order the Max the airmail for me is going to feel like a lifetime ! lol.

[tcolesen]

CC is only working with the 1/10 system right now. I've got no idea on the Monster version.

[SpEEdyBL]

Earlier on, I thought they said the only difference between the mamba max and the mamba monster max was the heatsink. I guess that changed. You may be able to run the mamba max in 1/8 buggies the same way you can run a mamba 25 in some light 1/10 scale vehicles. Hopefully the mamba max is overrated like the mamba 25.

[ElectricThunder]

If the mamba max can survive in an 1/8, then imagine how easily it'll handle 1/10 scale stuff...:D Should be interesting to see how the max turns out eh?

[Rtsbasic]

If the monster max thingy turns out to be all we've hoped for, I'll be throwing one straight into my Emaxx to replace my 9920 :)

[Nightmare_au]

any whispers people? Come one someone has gotta work in a LHS thats taking orders hehehe

[tcolesen]

Betas aren't even out for the Monster, and currently there aren't any plans for it... After the Mamba Max (1/10) gets released, I'm sure CC is going full throttle to the Monster.
The first place you'll be able to take orders on anything will probably be Castle Creations' website.

[WJ Birmingham]

any whispers people? Come one someone has gotta work in a LHS thats taking orders hehehe

We have the first order in the system. :)

www.ApogeePacks.com

[Combatcm]

What's the 1/10 mamba rated for? I want to run a 9s. Will it handle 8 cells?

[ElectricThunder]

http://www.megamotorusa.com/Shopping/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=30&cat=RC+Cars
I just realized that those motors are listed as car motors. Anyone try one before? (off topic, I know!) :D

[tcolesen]

What's the 1/10 mamba rated for? I want to run a 9s. Will it handle 8 cells?

It will handle any motor that you feel comfortable throwing at it... as long as it's for 1/10 scale. This is for brushed and brushless. And in brushed mode, it should have the capability to start up your real car's engine... assuming that your batteries and wires can handle it! It can do up to 12 cells.

[ElectricThunder]

...And in brushed mode, it should have the capability to start up your real car's engine... assuming that your batteries and wires can handle it! It can do up to 12 cells.
750 CCA? Maybe I should ditch my heavy battery and put a mamba+Lipos in its place...lol!

[tcolesen]

You're going to need some POWERFUL Lipos!

[rca]

so the Max will be rated at 12 cells only? cont amps rate? I was expecting up to 16 cells for the Max...

[ElectricThunder]

so the Max will be rated at 12 cells only? cont amps rate? I was expecting up to 16 cells for the Max...
From what I remember about the RCX stuff that was posted here a while ago, I think the Mamba Monster Max (monster truck controller) will be able to handle up to 16 cells. The Mamba Max (1/10 controller) will be able to handle only 12 (like the Mtroniks Pro). That was my understanding of it, I could be wrong though.

[rca]

Ic, well i hope its better than schulze in every way and more affordable :) Lets hope Jamie will get enough stocks to meet everyone's orders :)

[Rtsbasic]

Its a shame they've came out so late really, if they hit the market before the Mtroniks controllers were available so cheap then I suspect a few more people would be ordering one.

[Nightmare_au]

Personally im glad they took their time - assuming the product was being improved during this painful wait :)

The upgrades via USB for me is a BIG feature.

[rca]

So does anyone know whether there'll be combos like its 1/18 mamba with different kv rating motors? or just esc only?

[Nightmare_au]

I read there will be combos like the mamba 25... spose we wont know till it hits the shops though.

[Rtsbasic]

Its good they've took their time to come up with what should be a very nice product, and not a half finished unit. At the same time though if they hit their inital release date they would have pratically cornered the market for affordable brushless. But of course its better that they got it right and not rushed.

[tcolesen]

It'll be combo'd with motors. At this point there are 3 motor choices, but I can't say what they are :).

[Rtsbasic]

Wonder if they're going to be "more of the same", ala Feigao's. Maybe a Feigao with a green can? :)

[ElectricThunder]

It'll be combo'd with motors. At this point there are 3 motor choices, but I can't say what they are :).
Fast, faster, fastest?:D

[tcolesen]

Wonder if they're going to be "more of the same", ala Feigao's. Maybe a Feigao with a green can? :)

Nope, no Feigaos. These appear to be completely new motors, indicated by how they are held together and their external wires are.

Fast, faster, fastest?:D

Something like that ;).

[scoob]

I know this is meant to be a less expensive BL system but I would love a 4-pole motor, I'm sure they're not.
I may drop my Novak 6.5 system in the future to run a high votage setup in the Pro-Truck class I race with 20-minute mains, no motor or voltage limit, in fact it can be nitro or electric or anything as long as it is a 2wd 1/10 Stadium truck.

I DO NOT like the 2-pole sensorless motors for racing. They are just not very controllable. I could race with one but I'd be putting myself at a disadvantage. I hate to say it but I would like to see a high voltage sensored setup from someone (HV-MAXX is too big). I know everyone says sensorless is "better" but unless the sensorless motor is controllable it's NOT better than sensored for racing.

I've been racing a 2s lipo setup and everyone else the same. Lots of people in my class run a U-75 with Plettenburg Extreme on 2s and it is ultra smooth, comparable to sensored with it's 4-pole design.
I'm hoping the Mamba max controller will have comparable racabilty to the U-force, with the right motor.
I guess I will try something from Plettenburg, maybe the indoor 2 with it's low KV but I think it is a 6-pole. Will the Mamba max run a 6-pole?

The Plett Extreme is too much power on 3s lipo and in my opinion, over-reving. I have to stick with lipo for runtime and wieght issues. I don't really need more power with the higher voltage, just better efficiency and less heat in the long races we run and it has to be smooth. In truth, I'd like more power but I don't think you can get much more power than my 6.5 with low voltage AND avoid overheating in the long races I run, due to current draw. The 5.5, for instance, overheats.

Quite a dilemma I know. :) I should probably start my own thread.

[SpEEdyBL]

Here's a pic of the mamba max

http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/reviews/710/CCMax2wm.jpg

I think their fastest motor is 7700kv. I did some googling.

[ElectricThunder]

Here's a pic of the mamba max

http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/reviews/710/CCMax2wm.jpg

I think their fastest motor is 7700kv. I did some googling.
How far away is christmas again....?:D:D

[Flyojumper]

Out of curiosity, where did you find that 7700Kv number?
Isn't the mamba max supposed to be the fastest system to date? If that number is indeed correct, it may be a little disappointing for their fastest motor since that's the Kv of the neo 3 star and the neo 4 star (as well as the 4.5R I believe?) has a higher rating. (8500 for the 4 star).
Or maybe the mamba max will make it up in torque for overgearing potential?
Anyone has thoughts on this?

[ElectricThunder]

Out of curiosity, where did you find that 7700Kv number?
Isn't the mamba max supposed to be the fastest system to date? If that number is indeed correct, it may be a little disappointing for their fastest motor since that's the Kv of the neo 3 star and the neo 4 star (as well as the 4.5R I believe?) has a higher rating. (8500 for the 4 star).
Or maybe the mamba max will make it up in torque for overgearing potential?
Anyone has thoughts on this?
7700kv is probably its loaded Kv, and thems motors look to be 540 size motors (and probably rotors) judging by the pic. So the torque is there, and the voltage capabilites are there as well (via the ESC). Although at 7.2 volts, a 7700Kv motor will already be spinning 55k, add to the fact that with a 540 size rotor I'm sure you can over gear much more than a 4.5 or 4 star, and you'll be faster.:D

[ljohnson]

Out of curiosity, where did you find that 7700Kv number?


It's in the picture - the motor says "CM S7700", which given the model numbers of the Mamba motors sounds like a 7700Kv motor.

[tcolesen]

Yep, 7700kv. It's indeed a 540 motor inside and out. The motor is rated for up to 8 cells, which the Neo motors can't claim...

[rca]

7700 kv? I'm not complaining if the quality is as good or better than the 1/18 mamba. Any idea what kind of rating for their slower motors and the rate of cells?

[ElectricThunder]

Yep, 7700kv. It's indeed a 540 motor inside and out. The motor is rated for up to 8 cells, which the Neo motors can't claim...
This doesn't surprise me (7700 kv motors on 8 cells). Haven't they bench tested the CM-20 8000kv mamba motor up past 80,000 rpm, and still it hasn't grenaded or something like that? :eek:

[tcolesen]

7700 kv? I'm not complaining if the quality is as good or better than the 1/18 mamba. Any idea what kind of rating for their slower motors and the rate of cells?

The quality of these motors is definitely up there, Castle is saying that these are extremely efficient motors. I can't tell you what the cell ratings will be on the other motors, but the Mamba Max can do 12 cells.

[ElectricThunder]

The quality of these motors is definitely up there, Castle is saying that these are extremely efficient motors. I can't tell you what the cell ratings will be on the other motors, but the Mamba Max can do 12 cells.
Are you allowed to give efficiency numbers (if you have them)?

[rca]

yea, wats the cont amp rating for the mamba max if you're allowed to disclose?

[ElectricThunder]

Found another picture...doo doo doo...:D

http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/reviews/710/AON4-CCMax1wm.jpg

[Rtsbasic]

a 7700kv motor with a 540 rotor? Damn thats gonna seriously fly on 6-8 cells, if the batteries can do it. A lot of people don't like the Feigao 540 6s (5900kv) because its too hard on the batteries, so on cheap batteries its not very good.

[SpEEdyBL]

I can't imagine what turn that would be. A 540 5s would only be 7,100 kv. And then they allow you to run 8 cells on it w/ 70,000+ rpm? Probably not good for a 540 rotor if that's what it is.

[tcolesen]

Are you allowed to give efficiency numbers (if you have them)?

I wasn't given any numbers.

yea, wats the cont amp rating for the mamba max if you're allowed to disclose?

I'm not sure. But I know it's A LOT (compared to other 1/10 controllers). In brushed mode, it's rated at something like 900amps if you take full advantage of all the FETs. Castle has it set up so that when you use brushed mode you use as few wires as possible, and only use 16.7% of the FETs or something like that. It is possible to take advantage of all the FETs, but it requires some special wire-working.

a 7700kv motor with a 540 rotor? Damn thats gonna seriously fly on 6-8 cells, if the batteries can do it. A lot of people don't like the Feigao 540 6s (5900kv) because its too hard on the batteries, so on cheap batteries its not very good.

We were just told to not use 3s Lipo or more than 8 cells with it :D. I didn't get one of these to test with, which is perfectly fine with me since I don't own a TC.

I can't imagine what turn that would be. A 540 5s would only be 7,100 kv. And then they allow you to run 8 cells on it w/ 70,000+ rpm? Probably not good for a 540 rotor if that's what it is.

The bearings are rated at 65,000 RPM I believe. But remember, this is still testing! I've no idea if CC will state this as the limit in the manual when it is released.

[ElectricThunder]

Thanks Travis. That's crazy powerful stuff castle is pullin out.

(ACTs tomorrow! WEEEEE!)

[ElectricThunder]

Well, the cat is most certainly out of the bag. Here (http://www.the-rc-zone.com/events/rcx2006/coverage08.php) is some more stuff on the Mamba Max. Motor Kvs are listed.

I would think that the June 15th release date is very reasonable now...:D:D:D

[Nightmare_au]

Lets hope they have enough stock :eek: :eek: :eek: :cool:

[___rollin___]

I wonder how the other big name companies are responding to this system coming out soon (I.E, novak, LRP, Orion, ect) besides going in the corner and crying.

Should be a beast of a system!

[Nightmare_au]

I doubt they will be crying...... unless the mamba max is race legal?

[rca]

if its true that mamba max is limited to 12 cells, and the monster max is the same esc with different motors, i'll be very dissapointed because i've bought a charger that can charge up to 5S lipo... I thought monster max is up to 16 cells??

[Nightmare_au]

well its not out yet so I guess it is all chinese whispers, but why go 16 cells if there is no need? (if there is stupid drive train busting power at 12 cells) hmm lets hope so :) :)

[ElectricThunder]

I doubt they will be crying...... unless the mamba max is race legal?
I don't think it's race legal. It's a 540 motor (rotor size would I think be too big for ROAR) and its not sensored (I THINK that ROAR legal motors must be sensored, but I forgot).

Ok, where's Novak Veloci-max?:D:D :p

(GAWD! I can't believe we must wait another 4 days before this thing is supposed to come out....this is killing me... :eek: )

[rca]

well its not out yet so I guess it is all chinese whispers, but why go 16 cells if there is no need? (if there is stupid drive train busting power at 12 cells) hmm lets hope so :) :)

Yea I hope rcx got the wrong info and monster max will be 16 cells. I have intention to go 5s lipo on my max for all out speed, not for racing or running roung the track, just pure speed :) Of course that'll mean I have to sell off my rc collection to fund this :p

[tcolesen]

ROAR says that motors can be sensorless as well. I'm almost positive at this point that the Mamba Max won't be ROAR legal.

The Monster Max has been said to handle 16 cells. I'm curious where it was heard that it's the same as the Mamba max.

[SpEEdyBL]

"Basicly the same," is what the link said, (Same size, shape, etc..) Tcolesen, have you actually opened the motor? It could be a 15 mm rotor inside the 540 can. I still don't believe that there is 540 rotor in there. The kv's are way too high IMO.

[ElectricThunder]

The Monster Max has been said to handle 16 cells. I'm curious where it was heard that it's the same as the Mamba max.
I think somewhere on the-rc-zone.com. I wouldn't be surprised if they're wrong...:D

[tcolesen]

"Basicly the same," is what the link said, (Same size, shape, etc..) Tcolesen, have you actually opened the motor? It could be a 15 mm rotor inside the 540 can. I still don't believe that there is 540 rotor in there. The kv's are way too high IMO.

I did (shhhh...). It's definitely not a 15mm rotor.

[rca]

Sorry I meant to say TRCZ not RCX, as mentioned by speedy & thunder

[cart213]

Should be a good system. My biggest disappointment with it is that it appears to not be waterproof. To me, that is a huge plus for Mtroniks. I don't drive in puddles on purpose, but sometimes they've been known to jump in front of my trucks! :D

[scoob]

So how do you guys think the 4600 kv would run on 3s li-po in a stadium truck? I'm looking for about 30% more power than my GTB 6.5 on 2s lipo. Enough to turn heads but not be uncontrollable on the track.

Just give me an opinion :)

[tcolesen]

Should be a good system. My biggest disappointment with it is that it appears to not be waterproof. To me, that is a huge plus for Mtroniks. I don't drive in puddles on purpose, but sometimes they've been known to jump in front of my trucks! :D

It does appear to have a layer of the same sealant type stuff found on Schulze controllers. I'm not sure if it is also on the FETs, but the Mamba Max could very well be at least splash proof.

So how do you guys think the 4600 kv would run on 3s li-po in a stadium truck? I'm looking for about 30% more power than my GTB 6.5 on 2s lipo. Enough to turn heads but not be uncontrollable on the track.

Just give me an opinion :)

Well :D

[scoob]

LOL, good enough. I'm sold. I'll buy one and try it out. I can't wait to see what she'll do. :)

[JDT]

Isn't all of CC's stuff waterproof, it was speculated clear back when this would be waterproof, open top appears to disagree with that, anyone tried some wet testing yet, if you fry your beta do you get a new one lol.

[rca]

well even a diver's watch at 200m below sea level is "water resistant" not "water proof" :) I guess its how companies manage customers' expectation? Maybe same goes for CC?

[ElectricThunder]

Isn't all of CC's stuff waterproof...
No. The barracuda 80 isn't, but the barracuda 125 is (last time I checked at least). All of their plane controllers aren't waterproof either I believe. Some open top ESCs are "splash proof" like the Uforce though.

Even if an ESC is "water proof", water can still find its way in (so really, water resistant is the term we should use, like rca just explained).

Ahem... I'd also like to remind everyone...3 more days till the max is due out...:D

[SpEEdyBL]

LOL, good enough. I'm sold. I'll buy one and try it out. I can't wait to see what she'll do. :)

I think I'll be going with the 4600/3s lipo route as well. The 5700 is out of the question for 3s and the 4600 should be a good comparison w/ my 380c 9t (which is already too much for any 1/10), since they have similar kv. However, I expect the mamba motor to run cooler, knowing how efficient the smaller mamba motors are.

[JDT]

the original rczone forum on these controllers stated that it was the difference between a chemical application process at the end which has to be done by hand which gives it waterwhatever resistance/proofing. Hasn't some beta tester bashed one in the sprinkler to see if it smokes or not. Beta testing should be thought of as sponsored bashing except with homework.

[cart213]

Can the 4600 be run with 4s lipo or 12 cells? It would suck if CC didn't offer a high voltage option for the Maxx.

[tcolesen]

Hasn't some beta tester bashed one in the sprinkler to see if it smokes or not. Beta testing should be thought of as sponsored bashing except with homework.

It's not mentioned to test for water-proofness in beta testing. CC did lots of testing of their own (as can be seen by all the delays) before sending out to beta testers.

The beta testing is exactly what you think it is - lots of work.

[tcolesen]

Can the 4600 be run with 4s lipo or 12 cells? It would suck if CC didn't offer a high voltage option for the Maxx.

I was given the okay to try it out, but due to difficulties with a particular motor, that has not (yet) been possible. I'm not sure if CC will say if it's okay to do or not, I'm sure that 3s on the 4600 will burn the pants off of anything already!

[WJ Birmingham]

Anything below 6000kv can be run on 3-cells.

Anything above can be run on 2-cells.

The limiting factor on the number of cells the controller can handle is the BEC. Remove the BEC and you remove the 3-cell limit.

The motors have an approximate RPM limit (due to rotor mass) of about 60k.

Retail pricing to be set at 249.99. Street pricing, a bit less.

-WJ

[scoob]

I think I'll be going with the 4600/3s lipo route as well. The 5700 is out of the question for 3s and the 4600 should be a good comparison w/ my 380c 9t (which is already too much for any 1/10), since they have similar kv. However, I expect the mamba motor to run cooler, knowing how efficient the smaller mamba motors are.

Yea, I also have the 380c 9t. I think the bigger 540 can make that kind of power without breaking a sweat. My 9t gets hot pretty easily.

I hope it's smoother than the 380c though. That motor has a wierd powerband that bogs, and then hits like crazy.

[scoob]

Will the controller have the PC programming? If so, will the PC link be available soon too?

[tcolesen]

It is PC programmable.
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/reviews/710/CCMax2wm.jpg
That was posted 2 pages back. Note the little USB port.

[scoob]

Nice. Sorry I didn't read through all the other pages.

[Stormbasher3100]

2 days! can't wait

[mtucker]

Even though the web page didn't change, I went ahead and called Castle Creations today to order a Mamba Max. I was told they were not ready for sale.

Its understandable to have the initial "targeted" release time come and go, but this was supposed to be a solid date. Patrick of Castle posted on another forum just five days ago saying the 15th would be it.

Does anybody have more info?

Matt

[scoob]

:) I heard it was going to be another year.
































Just playin :)

[ElectricThunder]

Even though the web page didn't change, I went ahead and called Castle Creations today to order a Mamba Max. I was told they were not ready for sale.

Its understandable to have the initial "targeted" release time come and go, but this was supposed to be a solid date. Patrick of Castle posted on another forum just five days ago saying the 15th would be it.

Does anybody have more info?

Matt
:eek: Dubya....tee....eff :eek:

[tcolesen]

The 19th is the new date. The 15th was more of an optimistic date, this one's for real.

[ElectricThunder]

The 19th is the new date. The 15th was more of an optimistic date, this one's for real.
What did you beta testers break to screw up the release date?:p

[Shawn Palmer]

Thunder is right - not only the beta testers in general, but tcoleson in particular.

It's all his fault.

Shawn

[Shawn Palmer]

Just kidding guys.

Had a few things we were depending on fall through, but we're 100% on path to release just as soon they come in.

Don't know a hard date yet, but if you were afraid to hold your breath before, it's OK to do so now :-)

Shawn Palmer
Marketing/Product Development
www.castlecreations.com

[ElectricThunder]

Thunder is right - not only the beta testers in general, but tcoleson in particular.

It's all his fault.

Shawn
I knew it was him....:D

So far the mamba is still shaping up to look like a killer system despite the delays.

Shawn- is WJ's estimation (scroll up a bit to see his post) on pricing for the combos? Furthermore, is that realistic? :eek:

Edit: I know you guys were waiting for something pertaining to circuit boards, that still the case, or is it..."another" part? :p

[minitee]

Boards,shmords,this whole thing just make me sick!!
I love the 1/18 mamba and was hoping to go up the scale but now I am just fed up with cc,testers, etc.Almost feel like report them to BetterBusiness Bureau for false advertising.
So long and hope to never get on this bl forum.Bye Mamba Shmamba :)

[Shawn Palmer]

Pricing is $249 retail for motor and ESC. Street will vary from that, to maybe around $220 depending on the dealer.

Hardware is complete, software is complete, packaging is complete, just waiting for them to start rolling off the old assembly line now.

New webpage is having the final touches on it now, and the user guide is posted if anyone would like to take a look (noone reads it after they buy the system, so might as well now right?) here:

http://www.castlecreations.com/support/documents/Mamba%20Max%20User%20Guide.pdf

Shawn

[mtucker]

Its nice to see the users guide. It gives us some hope that this product will be out soon.

Please keep those of us that are waiting updated. I think people get less grumpy when they feel they know what is going on. Maybe that's why I get so upset with people that don't use turn signals. :D

Matt

[scoob]

If you deliver a good product, everyone will forget the delays. No sense in rushing things. Good luck getting the assembly rolling. I think your going to sell alot of them.

[ElectricThunder]

Boards,shmords,this whole thing just make me sick!!
I love the 1/18 mamba and was hoping to go up the scale but now I am just fed up with cc,testers, etc.Almost feel like report them to BetterBusiness Bureau for false advertising.
So long and hope to never get on this bl forum.Bye Mamba Shmamba :)
Huh? Whatever floats your boat bro.


Anyways, Shawn, thanks for the info. That's a really good price for both motor and ESC. I definitely think I'm getting one of these...now...what should I put it in...:D:D:D (this hobby is such a black hole in terms of money... :rolleyes: )

Edit: Read the directions and PDF. Looks good! Also looks like I won't have to fiddle with anything, as the default settings look just fine for me..:D Can't wait to see what this thing can do once I scrape up the funds to get one... :eek:

[starluckrc]

Yep....I can verify that it is for real this time. Glad I didn't have to wait as long as you guys though ;-). I'm ordering PLENTY! Hope that is one fast assembly line at the new place Shawn.

[mrcandyman]

the booklet doesn't really lay everything out in a nice order. It doesn't tell you how to actully set those functions, nor does it tell you what the battery limits are for each battery. It says don't use nything bigger than a 2s lipo in the 7700, but it says earlier that you can use 4s lipos. I'm gathering from that the mid-range would use 3s and the bottom (number-wise) would use 4s, is this correct? If that's so then what would the differences be between the different motors in terms of performance, since really those rating gaps would close with the difference in the batteries, or is it rated for the top of that the system can do with their respective batteries?

[SpEEdyBL]

the booklet doesn't really lay everything out in a nice order. It doesn't tell you how to actully set those functions, nor does it tell you what the battery limits are for each battery. It says don't use nything bigger than a 2s lipo in the 7700, but it says earlier that you can use 4s lipos. I'm gathering from that the mid-range would use 3s and the bottom (number-wise) would use 4s, is this correct? If that's so then what would the differences be between the different motors in terms of performance, since really those rating gaps would close with the difference in the batteries, or is it rated for the top of that the system can do with their respective batteries?

That's what the instructions are for. :)

You can use 12 cells or 4s lipo on other motors. I don't think they're expecting you to use that many cells on the 4600.

[Nightmare_au]

Shawn - Any light on what final drive ratio I should aim for on a 4wd 1/10 touring car with 6 cells? (as in rough area)

And what size male bullet plugs do I require for motor to ESC?

Many thanks :) Cheers! - Have read the userguide.. can't wait!! WOOOHOOO

[chilledoutuk]

going by the kv of the motor i would gear it the same as something like the velocity 5.5

Oh by the way whats with the whiney people doing nothing but complain.

The instuctions are a million times better than what mtroniks provided originally with there controllers and still better than the instructions they provide now.

The whole usb conection idea is fantastic it makes adjustment of the settings on the controller so much easier and pricise.
All you need to be able to do is setup yoru end points which they explain very clearly and then jack in with the usb cable to your pc and set the settings with there pc application.

If the LVC works properly they thats another plus as i swear the lvc on my mtroniks does not work properly.

[tcolesen]

If the LVC works properly they thats another plus as i swear the lvc on my mtroniks does not work properly.

Yep, there's pretty much no LVC on the Mtroniks. I've even done bench testing with variable voltage on different settings, and nothing.

[Shawn Palmer]

nightmare -
As with the little Mambas, gearing is only a matter of how fast you want to go at top speed, and then you may possibly need to take a look at motor temps.

Generally in testing w/touring cars on 6 cells, the packs themselves have been the only limit as far as gearing. The ESC is overbuilt for 10th (like the Mamba 25 is overbuilt for 18th) and our CM36s motors are the best out there efficiency wise. When you stay within the voltage limits of the system, it's pretty fool-proof and will NOT thermal. Oh - and even within those limits, I don't think anyone will be left wanting for more speed/power.

As a comparison, our 5700 system was reported by the beta testers to blow the doors off the Novak 5800. And the 7700 combo was beyond anything even the most experienced testers had ever driven. So there is a benchmark for comparison when you're looking at which gears and motors.

I have a setup and tuning guide that goes further into the settings, gearing, batteries, and etc. that should be up on the website very soon. We're trying to get a lot more info out there at the time of release than we did with the little ones. The most important peices of info being:
FUN
FAST
EASY
EXCESS POWER
NO THERMALS
FUN
FAST
and FUN!

We've been 2 years in development here, and look out - it's ready!

Shawn

[NIC]

Hi,

This package with esc and motors feels like the natural step to take from the U-Force and the german highend motors. Sometimes you just feel when a product is great, I´m glad I have that ability ;) :D !
I´m sure I will buy this system very soon like MANY others will.

Thank you and congratulations Shawn and everyone who has been envolved with this new system.

Great job !

NIC

[rca]

Hi Shawn, thanks for clearing things up for us here.I for one will definately go Mamba Max for my 1/10 buggy.Just one more question, when will we hear some updates/specifications on the Monster Max :)

[ElectricThunder]

Just thought of another question; will Castle be posting efficiency numbers and/or comparisons to other motors at all?

And who will be carrying the mamba max as soon as it is released (I know jamie is, but who else?).

[TheSteve]

Shawn - Any light on what final drive ratio I should aim for on a 4wd 1/10 touring car with 6 cells? (as in rough area)

And what size male bullet plugs do I require for motor to ESC?

Many thanks :) Cheers! - Have read the userguide.. can't wait!! WOOOHOOO


Try 8.1:1 as a starting point with the 5700kv motor on 6 cells.

[Micke_b]

So its the 19/6 today, so is it the d day to day?

[ElectricThunder]

Let everyone wake up first...:D Should be coming out today though...WEEEE!

[USATorque55]

Anyone know the footprint and height of the ESC? Wondering how it will fit in cramped buggies.

Shawn is a cool guy, I met him up at the 1/18th nationals and he helped me set up my Mamba with some new software and a link.

I think its good you guys are selling this as a package. Too many people are scared from brushless from all the numbers and possibility of your ESC and Motor not cooperating together.

Maybe someday I'll be able to compare this system with what I run in my maxx right now.

Best of luck

[tcolesen]

It is actually pretty small, although a bit tall. It just barely fit in the "wing" of my Tamiya Dark Impact. If there were a collision on the side, the Mamba Maxx might be in trouble. The highest point on the Max is three capacitors, which I'm estimating is ~1.25".

[Micke_b]

Is it out yet? where to buy? Id like one ASAP! :eek:

[mtucker]

I just called to try and order a Mamba Max (11:15AM Kansas time). I asked if they were taking orders for the Mamba Max yet. "Not that I am aware of" was the answer I got.

A GTB in the hand is worth two Mambas in the bush.

Matt

[electro21]

If the Monster Maxx can handle 16 cells and doesn't cog like the other sensorless systems, then my E-maxx has just found a new 'heart'! Does any know if either system cogs really bad?

[ElectricThunder]

I just called to try and order a Mamba Max (11:15AM Kansas time). I asked if they were taking orders for the Mamba Max yet. "Not that I am aware of" was the answer I got.

A GTB in the hand is worth two Mambas in the bush.

Matt
Are you speaking to the right people? Maybe you keep getting the janitor....? :confused: :D

[mtucker]

Are you speaking to the right people? Maybe you keep getting the janitor....? Maybe I am? Maybe it is a conspiracy not sell me an Mamba Max because I have been fussy about the release date? :D

I am going to keep checking the Castle web page and this forum for late breaking news. I will also call sales up every few days just to check. I will be sure to spread the word if I find anything out although I would think Shawn or other Castle people will let us know when it is official.

Matt

[ElectricThunder]

Maybe today is the official release day in that, they're actually shipping it to all companies/shops/people who put in a pre-order last millenia.:D

[WJ Birmingham]

We just had a 17 lb package shipped to us today from CC. I know I don't have 17 lbs of airplane controllers on order, so I can only imagine what else it might be. :)

-WJ

[mtucker]

We just had a 17 lb package shipped to us today from CC. Mmmmmmm, 17 pounds of Mamba Max...... I had a dream about that last night. :)

I'll be hitting refresh on your web page a lot tomorrow.
apogeepacks.com .........but all orders must go through the shopping cart.

Matt

[ElectricThunder]

We just had a 17 lb package shipped to us today from CC. I know I don't have 17 lbs of airplane controllers on order, so I can only imagine what else it might be. :)

-WJ
I didn't know apogee sold ESCs and stuff. Are you guys a CC dealer then? Nice... :eek:

[trd]

The most important peices of info being:
FUN
FAST
EASY
EXCESS POWER
NO THERMALS
FUN
FAST
and FUN!

We've been 2 years in development here, and look out - it's ready!

Shawn

Shawn I"m not sure if you have enough of the word "FAST" in that list? lol :D

[chilledoutuk]

so whats the score with the mamba max is it out yet?

[ElectricThunder]

It's probably now starting to ship to dealers. I'm guessing the date of the 19th was ship date, not actual "release" date. I guess Apogee has the controllers now though, so we'll see what's going on I guess.

[mtucker]

I guess Apogee has the controllers now though, so we'll see what's going on I guess. I talked to Bill (Apogee / PFMDistribution.com) and he said they had not received them yet. I guess the 17lb box was something else.
I imagine Castle may be hesitant to give us ANOTHER delivery date.... another missed delivery date might start a rebellion :D
It sure would be nice to know if we are talking months, weeks, or days though.
Matt

[ElectricThunder]

Maybe bill lied... or didn't know that they got in a 17lb. package of stuff from CC. :D

[starluckrc]

So far........they haven't officially even let dealers place orders.

[ElectricThunder]

Didn't WJ say apogee placed pre orders, and they're first to get 'em or something? :confused: This is confusing as hell. Someone give me a mamba max to help me out.....:D

[billmck]

Didn't WJ say apogee placed pre orders, and they're first to get 'em or something? :confused: This is confusing as hell. Someone give me a mamba max to help me out.....:D


hey ET, if it means anything, apogee gets their orders out quick, call them and see whats up... as we all know if you don't get one soon you'll short circuit. ha ha ha j/k


bill

[ElectricThunder]

:D (I'm still open for free stuff though!) ;)

[chilledoutuk]

:D (I'm still open for free stuff though!) ;)
arnt we all?

[Micke_b]

This sucks, two missed dates in 5 days. My current controller, a uforce-75 aren't working anymore so I NEED a new one ASAP, before the summer is over.

And if CC don't get their fingers out of thier ***** soon I might buy some other controller and not the mamba max. I just hate to wait, and I can't belive that they are keeping seting up new dates and not make em all the time. I mean how can you miss calculate a year?! Don't set a date before you are 100% sure of that you can make it.

[GordonFreeman]

Apparently you are unfamiliar with the HL2 release date. Granted software is a bit more dynamic than hardware. C'mon Shawny baby, just give us a realistic date. Don't fall into the whole "vapor ware" thing. I don't know how much longer my Genesis Truck is going to hold up. Smoked one already (probably software related). Just crossing my fingers that the replacement will hold out. I think I will need the Mamba Monster Max. Need 60 amps cont. @ 16v. This is fun, any Nitro guys paying attention, are starting to shake in thier shoes.

[glassdoctor]

No... they don't need to shake in their shoes yet. We have yet to find a speedo worthy of that.

A year ago I bought an MGM120 cause it didn't look like CC would have theirs ready by summer. But I wasn't thinking THIS summer. :)

Shawn said the Max is a finished product... just have to get them out the door. Hope there is no issues that came up. I'm sure it will hit the shelves very soon.

What I want to know is how close to reality the Monster Max is... Shawn? :)

[WJ Birmingham]

Welp, my 17 shipment was controllers (blah). E-mail CC today and inquired... I'm told Monday (crossing fingers).

-WJ

[electro21]

I got an e-mail from CC yesterday:

We haven't finalized the specs on the Mamba Monster Max...it's still a ways off. The Mamba Max is almost ready for release (for buggies/ST's/on-roads). It [Monster Maxx] will be able to handle 16 cells, no clue how much, and no clue of release date. Sorry.

[GordonFreeman]

On another note, I just got another Mamba25 (mini) and boy does it have good software! There is hardly any tendancy to studder even if you try to go really slow. They must have really done something to the starting algorythm.

You can add these "spec" to the monster.

1. Can still run a BEC at 4S
2. Can use as high a voltage as possible (40v-50v)
3. Maybe use them big 5.5 mm connectors to the ESC, or solder posts.
4. 100 amp continous.
5. separate "on" switch like the Mamba 25.

[electro21]

Wow, 33 cells would be killer in a monster truck (not that I would try it!). Gordon, did you know what cell limit where you have to start using a receiver pack, b/c I would like to run 16 cells to it?

I just asked CC does the Monster Maxx have low cogging like th HV-Maxx or if it cogs like the rest of the sensorless systems, their reply:

Nope...smooth as silk and it doesn't overheat like the HV-Maxx either.
> And we don't even have a fan on ours...only a heatsink. ;-)

[minitee]

I am sick,sick and sick of this nonnsense release dates.At this time I am running Quark 65 and Feigao 380c-8t motor with 5000 mAh 3-cell LiPo from Tanic on my XXX-4 buggy and nobody bits me anywhere.My son run 56mph which was clicked on the radar by my cop friend.Why should I get this mamba max????.Battery lasts 25min, the esc heats up to 165F and still running.
Guys,forget this CC mind game and enjoy other systems
Cheers,Marek
P.S. Brazil all the way!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :) :) :)

[Rtsbasic]

Whats the motor temp like on 3s? I have an 8t, and on 7 NIMH cells I can get it pretty hot in my B3 when I'm racing it.

[ElectricThunder]

Isn't 165 a bit toasty for an ESC? The Novaks are supposed to run at about 160ish for normal operations (the Super Sport ESC, not the GTB), and that was considered to be pretty warm.

[tcolesen]

To answer why you should get the Mamba Max - U.S. customer support (not that there is anything wrong with others, but it's faster for those in the U.S.), VERY GOOD software, USB hookup to change the parameters AND to update the firmware, very powerful (probably about twice as much as the Feigao 380C motors), low priced for what it can do, and best of all, it's VERY smooth.

[minitee]

Guys, you don't those ESC they can go to 220 F and then shut down.Feigao motors have neodymium magnets and can easly take 180F.On my hard runs it gets to 155-165F max.Runs pretty good so far!!
Esc is very smooth and if you call Joey at Sky&Technology he will be very helpfull.I live in Toronto and deal directly with Sky for the best $.Soon I will try their 5000 kv motor that I just soldered ,it looks so cool and it has internal fun that should keep it even cooler than Feigao.The colour is blue.
This is my sons paint job on the buggy.Sorry no pic Dont know how to make smaller file :)

[minitee]

I guess, I got the pic for you

[minitee]

one more for you,that is T-maxx and Tc3

[ElectricThunder]

Guys, you don't those ESC they can go to 220 F and then shut down.Feigao motors have neodymium magnets and can easly take 180F.On my hard runs it gets to 155-165F max.Runs pretty good so far!!
Esc is very smooth and if you call Joey at Sky&Technology he will be very helpfull.I live in Toronto and deal directly with Sky for the best $.Soon I will try their 5000 kv motor that I just soldered ,it looks so cool and it has internal fun that should keep it even cooler than Feigao.The colour is blue.
This is my sons paint job on the buggy.Sorry no pic Dont know how to make smaller file :)
Just because something can take it, you shouldn't do it. Heat is wasted energy. Energy that can be used to go faster or run longer. Also, neo magnets may work still at that temperature, but they will dedgrade if you keep running them at that temperature. Things tend to wear out quicker when you push them to their limits....;)

[minitee]

I agree Thunder,but as long as this set up works I am happy.Mind you,My son doesn't push it to those levels to often.With my driving I keep it around 145-150F :)

[ElectricThunder]

I agree Thunder,but as long as this set up works I am happy.Mind you,My son doesn't push it to those levels to often.With my driving I keep it around 145-150F :)
You should probably still invest in a fan. Even 145-150 is pretty warm. The cooler you can get your setup, the better. Maybe you can get some thermal paste and an old CPU heatsink and just stick that on to the side.bottom/top of the casing of the Quark instead or in addition to the fan.

[ElectricThunder]

The Mamba Max ESC looks pretty small...:D

[GordonFreeman]

Looks sweet, what is the wiring situation on the motors?

I hope they hurry up with the Monster Maxx, another Mtroniks Truck ESC died on me. No smoke, just stopped working.

[tcolesen]

Yeah, it's not very big! Unfortunately it's a little tall at the 3 capacitors. I think CC should have an option for vehicles like 1/10 buggies where the height is limited to have a single larger capacitor laying on the chassis next to the Max.

[Rtsbasic]

They use a standard type-2 USB port? So standard USB cables should work? I hope so.

Looks about the same length as a Mtroniks Pro..but without the massive powercap. The motors look nice, might buy one, another one of my Feigao's popped open this week.

[ElectricThunder]

I'm liking this setup more and more. What I like about the motor, is that it looks like you can take the front or rear endbells off. So if you strip the front endbell, all you need to do is get a replacement, instead of getting a whole new motor.:D

Doesn't the combo come with the software and USB cable too for the ESC?

[___rollin___]

ET,

Yes the usb link comes with the combo, I read this on the one picture with the piece of paper behind it. It was on the 3rd page I think.

I am jacking yo threadz, ET:)

[tcolesen]

The endbells are somewhat difficult off. It also seems that there's some epoxy besides the three screws. It's very nice to know that the endbells won't come off! Also, the wires exiting the motor aren't the windings, but regular stranded wires.

[starluckrc]

They use a standard type-2 USB port? So standard USB cables should work? I hope so.

Looks about the same length as a Mtroniks Pro..but without the massive powercap. The motors look nice, might buy one, another one of my Feigao's popped open this week.

Much smaller than the Pro. It's even a little shorter and narrower than my U-Force but taller at the caps. It would be easy to relocate the caps though for anyone a little handy with a soldering iron.

I agree that the endbells are hard to remove. Not only are they epoxied, but some wheelies on pavement will eat through a screw head pretty quickly. I would still prefer some sort of screwed on endbell. The flexible wires exiting from the side with 4mm plugs are a nice addition.

[chilledoutuk]

for me looking at the controller i would run a fan on it anyways and that would probably go up to the same heght as the caps and thus not really a problem for me.

I must say i really like the idea of proper multistrand cable out of the motor as i cring every time i have to bend my hacker c40 wires.

Ideally i would love a sensorless motor with a novak style solderable conection to the motor.

[ElectricThunder]

Ideally i would love a sensorless motor with a novak style solderable conection to the motor.
Here (http://www.rcmart.com/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=421_293_946&products_id=17534) you go.

[chilledoutuk]

yeah i saw that motor looks kinda strange with the air vents. Does anyone have experiance with this quark motor?

[ElectricThunder]

I haven't heard anything about it either. I'm sure frank (tripthreat) can tell you about it though. I think it has an integrated fan (like a closed endbell motor). Not a bad idea IMO.

[minitee]

I am using that blue 5000 kv Quark/Hacker motor with Quark 65 ESC.This whole ste up is working perfect in my XXX-4 buggy with 3 cell lipo [5000mah] from Tanic.It is ballistic and also great at slow speeds.With 17/92 pinion-spur it was clicked at 55.4 mph.
Any way where is that Mamba Max combo ,I want to compare those two. :) :)

[chilledoutuk]

minitee Do you have any pictrues of the motor as i am interested in its construction?

Also how hot does it get on 3s lipo?

[minitee]

Took one pic just now.Motor length is 54 mm ,diameter 34mm.A lot of mounting screw slots;4 sets.The fan is on the top of the motor. Temp. after speed runs with body on[no cut outs] max at 133F at the bottom of the motor.Without the body never went over 115F.This is just my data.Hope the pic will go thru!!

[TypeR 126]

Bump for an update?

[minitee]

Bump for an update?
What do you mean by that statement??? :confused:

[Batfish]

What do you mean by that statement??? :confused:

I would guess that, since this thread is titled "RCX - Mamba Max has an official date", and this thread has generally been about the changing release date(s) for the Castle Creations Mamba Max, that statement is intended to find out if there is any new information regarding the release of the Mamba Max.

[Rtsbasic]

Thats some impressive motor temps for 3s lipo on a high revving motor. Only thing that concerns me about them motors is the cutouts - all my brushless motors thus far have been sealed.

[minitee]

top cutouts are where the fan is and that thing is really blowing,the bottom ones just to improve air flow.Belive me this motor is a beauty.I will post more temps data when my son takes it for more aggressive testing session.When I did it it was around 78-80F outside.Drove it 2-3min continiuos and chek for temp.All driving was done on the ashphalt.Again, I can't wait for more data after really ballistic runs!! :) :)

[chilledoutuk]

HI minitee have you compared this motor to any feigoa motors with referance to kv as that might be 5000kv unloaded.

also is the motor rebuildable?

[minitee]

HI minitee have you compared this motor to any feigoa motors with referance to kv as that might be 5000kv unloaded.

also is the motor rebuildable?
I am at work right now and can't tell you about the chances of rebuilding but I think you can take apart.Sky is using some of the Hacker stuff in the motor.Re rpms under load/unload;I can't measure rpms.Maybe I should get that micro EagleTree gizmo??
cheers,marek

[Rtsbasic]

If you have a GPS vertified top speed, and you know the gearing, size of the tyres and the amount they're balooning, you can work back to figure out the motor rpm's.

[ElectricThunder]

BAM! (http://www.castlecreations.com/products/mamba_max.html)

[tcolesen]

The controller is only $159!?!?!? I'd get another just because the price is so low... (if I had money)

[TheSteve]

And if you order direct from Castle before tomorrow (friday) at 5 PM central time they will throw in a Mamba tshirt!

[TheSteve]

The controller is only $159!?!?!? I'd get another just because the price is so low... (if I had money)

Yep, incredible price considering how much hardware(fets) are packed inside the controller.

[ElectricThunder]

The controller is only $159!?!?!? I'd get another just because the price is so low... (if I had money)
You're not allowed to talk....damn beta...:D

I'd also like to remind you...that's probably an MSRP since it's direct from Castle is my guess? :eek:

Can you imagine how much the system will cost off tower with all those promos they run (combined with street price)...? :eek: :eek:

[tcolesen]

Hey TheSteve, were you also a beta tester?

[TheSteve]

Hey TheSteve, were you also a beta tester?

Absolutely!

[Micke_b]

Just orderd a 7700, my tc4 is gone fly now. :)

[tcolesen]

Absolutely!

I thought so ;). Unfortunately for me, I was one of the ones that wasn't able to "'feel the power' due to technical problems." I certainely hope to be able to now!
BTW, which motor did you choose?

[TheSteve]

Hah, I want them all!!!

I like the 4600Kv motor because I only run 3S Lipo's at the local outdoor asphalt track. The straight is only a little over 100 feet so anything else is serious overkill.
Now if I was cruising on the street I'd go with the 5700, its serious fun(bordering on insanity) with the 3S lipo.

[ElectricThunder]

Everyone on these boards is a beta it seems...lol!

Micke_b- Let us know how it goes (or at least me). Pics of it mounted in the Tc4 wouldn't hurt either if you can do that..:D

That's a freakishly good deal for an MSRP though... :eek: Geez... I'm actually amazed by this thing right now.

[trd]

are we allowed to talk about it now or do we still have to keep it on a down low. :D

[mp3ranger]

I can't wait to get my system for doing the beta testing . I picked the 5700Kv motor.

[Micke_b]

ElectricThunder:

Sure I'll put up some pic when I'll get it. Hope it's as good as they say. :) The nitro guys are gonne cry now. :D


From cc site:

"These systems are capable of putting out over 1,000 watts of power. As a comparison, an average 10 turn system might be capable of around 200 watts."

That I Like. :cool:

[tcolesen]

are we allowed to talk about it now or do we still have to keep it on a down low. :D

Castle's releasing it, so talk it up!

[JakeE]

I ordered the 5700kV system. I'm excited to see how it compares to the GTB/6.5 setup in my T4.

[JDT]

Thesteve-The 5700 on 3s? How hot did that get, I was thinking 4600 on 3s would be the way to go, how many rpm are these motors listed up to?

[tcolesen]

The motors are rated to 65k RPM. As long as the temp on the motor is watched, it's all good :).

[tcolesen]

From cc site:

"These systems are capable of putting out over 1,000 watts of power. As a comparison, an average 10 turn system might be capable of around 200 watts."

That I Like. :cool:

And Novak/LRP systems are capable of about 300-400watts :D.

[JakeE]

The Mamba motors use 540 size rotors correct? This translates into more torque than a motor utilizing a 380 size rotor with the same kv rating right?

[tcolesen]

The Mamba motors use 540 size rotors correct? This translates into more torque than a motor utilizing a 380 size rotor with the same kv rating right?

Yep.

[party_wagon]

Considering the mamba combos are listed for about $140 and yet you can find them for $100 new. I would not be surprised to find the new mamba max packages for under $200 at the right place.

[tcolesen]

We'll just have to wait and see! When you think about it, that's a KILLER deal. The Novak/LRP systems can't touch the power of the Mamba Max, and yet they cost so much more (comparatively). The Mamba Max has at least as much programmability as the Novaks/LRPs, and the biggest difference is sensored/sensorless. But, it's so smooth that it should work just as well as the sensored setups.

[WJ Birmingham]

Our first batch of Mamba Max's were shipped yesterday (7700s). I rather doubt that they'll be here today, so does anyone know if UPS is running on Monday?

[Combatcm]

Hows the BEC on it, I'd like to scrap my ubec on my MT2 and it would be nice if it had a good one that worked with 8 cells.

[ElectricThunder]

Our first batch of Mamba Max's were shipped yesterday (7700s). I rather doubt that they'll be here today, so does anyone know if UPS is running on Monday?
I wouldn't see why not. Tuesday, maybe not, but I would guess Monday they still ship.

(Is that price on your guys' site MSRP, or what you're going to sell it for, or will it be adjusted once you get them in stock?)

[FLYBOY7]

Mamba Max 7700's IN stock today at www.apogeepacks.com .... orders placed before 4pm CST will go out today.....

Tim

[ElectricThunder]

Mamba Max 7700's IN stock today at www.apogeepacks.com .... orders placed before 4pm CST will go out today.....

Tim
That was fast... :eek:

[ffactory666]

Ok guys , about to place an order but can't decide on wich combo to go for ?

It's going in my 4wd buggy and will be raced not bashed , the GTB 5.5 seemed like a perfect match in a 4WD buggy ,trying to decide between the 6700kv and 7700kv combo. Just hope it's smooth as my mini Mamba had a few cogging issues.
Also can't seem to find the specs for the bec on the Mamba , anyone have this info.

Cheers

[trd]

Castle's releasing it, so talk it up!

are you sure? :confused:

well check out the price at Horizon (http://www.horizonhobby.com/Search/Default.aspx?SearchTerm=mamba&CatId=)

ffactory where did you see a 6700kv combo? I'd suggest a 7700kv just because you won't go over a 6 cellniXX or 2 cell lipo.

[FLYBOY7]

only the 7700's are in stock right now......

T.

[FLYBOY7]

BEC is 3 amps.... speedo is good up to 3s li-po, or 12 ni-mh..... the 7700 system is not recommend for use above 2s or 8 cell ni-mh....

T.

[ffactory666]

are you sure? :confused:

well check out the price at Horizon (http://www.horizonhobby.com/Search/Default.aspx?SearchTerm=mamba&CatId=)

ffactory where did you see a 6700kv combo? I'd suggest a 7700kv just because you won't go over a 6 cellniXX or 2 cell lipo.

My bad , there is no 6700kv , i meant to say 5700 kv. So trying to decide between the 5700 and 7700.
I agree with you though ;) , since i won't be going over 2 cell lipo for racing i think the higher kv package would suit racing better.

You can order all the packages direct from CC , i placed the 5700kv package in an order and went to the checkout to see if it's in stock and it went through.
I'll be ordering from Jamie though , he has always helped me with any questions iv'e had and always has good prices :) .

[ffactory666]

BEC is 3 amps.... speedo is good up to 3s li-po, or 12 ni-mh..... the 7700 system is not recommend for use above 2s or 8 cell ni-mh....

T.

BEC is 3amps , mmm :confused: . Will that be able to handle digital servos and my spekrum system.

[FLYBOY7]

and yes... there will be a 6700......

T.

[ElectricThunder]

well check out the price at Horizon (http://www.horizonhobby.com/Search/Default.aspx?SearchTerm=mamba&CatId=)
Holy....crap.

[FLYBOY7]

we are calling it MM day here around the office... the day when MM finally landed..... just a reminder..... we've had some calls... only the 7700 is now in stock at www.apogeepacks.com .... that's all we were shipped.... the rest of the systems will be coming soon... looks like we'll be sold out by the end of today on the 7700's that we have....

T.

[seth556]

Oh crap only $130 for the ESC and $210 for the combo!!! SWEETNESS I'm getting one.

[tcolesen]

and yes... there will be a 6700......

T.

Really? I wasn't aware of this...

For a 4wd 1/10 buggy the 5700 might be a better choice. Since it's larger/more powerful than the Novak motors, it can be geared higher to gain back some speed (even against the 5.5) without overheating. If anything, it might be undergeared :eek:.

[ElectricThunder]

Really? I wasn't aware of this...

For a 4wd 1/10 buggy the 5700 might be a better choice. Since it's larger/more powerful than the Novak motors, it can be geared higher to gain back some speed (even against the 5.5) without overheating. If anything, it might be undergeared :eek:.
The 5.5 probably only has a 6000kv I think from what I remember from optimaman's test. That's only a 300 rpm difference, so I'd say the 5700 will ROMP all over the GTB. :D

Tim- Do you know if CC will post any efficiency numbers for their motors? That'd be interesting to know.

[SpEEdyBL]

I heard directly from novak that the 5.5 was about 6700 kv (At least that's what I concluded from their data). And optimaman's test was under a load. Actually I think it was 6500 kv. Still, I think the 5700 might be close to the 5.5 in performance.

[FLYBOY7]

per the packaging on the new MM system..... the systems available are..... 4600 kv, 5700 kv, 6700 kv, and 7700 kv.....

yo what up ElectricThunder??? i do not know if they are going to publish those numbers... they sure HAUL though...... i normally run a 4600 on 3s Magnums in my T-4...... 7700 on 2s Magnum in my Kyosho Lazer, and a 5700 on a 3s Magnum in my TC4...... all are just Freak'n crazy fast... simply insane.....

Tim Mohr

CC Factory Driver
Apogee Factory Driver

[tcolesen]

per the packaging on the new MM system..... the systems available are..... 4600 kv, 5700 kv, 6700 kv, and 7700 kv.....

Tim Mohr

CC Factory Driver
Apogee Factory Driver

That's interesting. Maybe the 6700 will come out later?

[trd]

we are calling it MM day here around the office... the day when MM finally landed..... just a reminder..... we've had some calls... only the 7700 is now in stock at www.apogeepacks.com .... that's all we were shipped.... the rest of the systems will be coming soon... looks like we'll be sold out by the end of today on the 7700's that we have....

T.

wanna send some down here? :p I'll beta those in the pictures. :D

[chilledoutuk]

it would be usefull if we could have some amp numbers for these motors so we know which are suitable for our lipo packs.

Somone has got to have video of these in action?

[FLYBOY7]

yooooo trd....... tell ya what bro..... i've always been a huge fan of BL.... i've been extremely lucky to drive for CC for about a year and half now..... i'm just totally stoked to see the MM's come out.... in my opinion, it's what this sport needs.... reliable, insane power...... it's just fun to drive- it has a Huge smile factor!!! ...... and no more problems with thermalling.... it just goes fast, wayyyy fast... the yank of this system still puts a huge smile on my face even after having driven it off and on for over a year, and i'm pretty jaded because i test daily with just gnarly power systems... but it's also really drivable..... so if you race, and have a tricky part of the track that requires super precise throttle input, it'll do that too... i can't wait to see it knock everyone else's socks off like it has mine....

Tim

[trd]

yooooo trd....... tell ya what bro..... i've always been a huge fan of BL.... i've been extremely lucky to drive for CC for about a year and half now..... i'm just totally stoked to see the MM's come out.... in my opinion, it's what this sport needs.... reliable, insane power...... it's just fun to drive- it has a Huge smile factor!!! ...... and no more problems with thermalling.... it just goes fast, wayyyy fast... the yank of this system still puts a huge smile on my face even after having driven it off and on for over a year, and i'm pretty jaded because i test daily with just gnarly power systems... but it's also really drivable..... so if you race, and have a tricky part of the track that requires super precise throttle input, it'll do that too... i can't wait to see it knock everyone else's socks off like it has mine....

Tim

My first bl was the mamba by castle, its the reason I got back into rcs because of the insane power of the mambas at an affordable price. :D

When I tried them (MM)out my smile was from ear to ear :D <--- (that huge) Power is Ridiculous (smelt rubber burning) exhausting run times <--- longer than my nitros.

Yes I plan to race the MM as soon as the on road track opens. I'm just starting out with nitro on road. :)

[ffactory666]

Really? I wasn't aware of this...

For a 4wd 1/10 buggy the 5700 might be a better choice. Since it's larger/more powerful than the Novak motors, it can be geared higher to gain back some speed (even against the 5.5) without overheating. If anything, it might be undergeared :eek:.

tcolesen , Jamie agreed with you on this one .
Since i will be running either 6cells or 2s Lipo it should be perfect , especially being able to gear it up without fear of thermalling.

[FLYBOY7]

the Mamba Max system does for 10th scale cars what the Mamba 25 system did for 18th scalers.... you wouldn't think it would be possible because the 10th scalers are so much heavier.... but driving a T-4 on 3s with the MM 5700 is just as insane, if not more so, then a Mini-T on 3s with Mamba 25 power.... nothing beats the feeling of punching the trigger at 40 mph and and flipping my T-4 over backwards..... great stuff!!!

and ya..... at the end of the day, it boils down to the smile factor..... and nothing puts on a bigger smile than Mamba Max power...

T.

[ffactory666]

per the packaging on the new MM system..... the systems available are..... 4600 kv, 5700 kv, 6700 kv, and 7700 kv.....

yo what up ElectricThunder??? i do not know if they are going to publish those numbers... they sure HAUL though...... i normally run a 4600 on 3s Magnums in my T-4...... 7700 on 2s Magnum in my Kyosho Lazer, and a 5700 on a 3s Magnum in my TC4...... all are just Freak'n crazy fast... simply insane.....

Tim Mohr

CC Factory Driver
Apogee Factory Driver

Tim , as you can see from my previous post i'm leaning towards the 5700kv for my BJ4 WE buggy , since i can gear it higher to make up for the speed and have plenty of torque without thermaling.
How did you find the 7700 in the buggy with 2s Lipo , say compared to the 5700 with a 2s Lipo.
Also have you had any probs with the BEC being only 3v , i don't want to have to run another cap to make the system run right with digital servos etc :confused:

Cheers

[FLYBOY7]

to me..... it depends a whole lot of your local track..... if it's high traction, relatively large, you are a decent driver, and you can use all the power of the 77... go for it.... if it's typically low traction, or a smaller track, the 5700 rules.... personally, i drive the freak'n tires off my Lazer...... so i totally dig the 7700, Except for smaller indoor tracks.... then the 7700 is wayyyyyyyyyyy too much and i run a 5700..... so to boil it down ffactory.... there is no "one" right answer.... every driver, and every track is different, what works best depends on those factors....


about the BEC...... just to clarify..... 3 amp output, i'm not sure on the voltage, but it's over 5 volts..... and all i run are digital servo's.... i've never had a problem at all..... none on 2s.... none on 3s... zero problems with the BEC....

T.

[ffactory666]

to me..... it depends a whole lot of your local track..... if it's high traction, relatively large, you are a decent driver, and you can use all the power of the 77... go for it.... if it's typically low traction, or a smaller track, the 5700 rules.... personally, i drive the freak'n tires off my Lazer...... so i totally dig the 7700, Except for smaller indoor tracks.... then the 7700 is wayyyyyyyyyyy too much and i run a 5700..... so to boil it down ffactory.... there is no "one" right answer.... every driver, and every track is different, what works best depends on those factors....


about the BEC...... just to clarify..... 3 amp output, i'm not sure on the voltage, but it's over 5 volts..... and all i run are digital servo's.... i've never had a problem at all..... none on 2s.... none on 3s... zero problems with the BEC....

T.

Cool , that's made up my mind for sure .
Thanks to everyone for your comments , i'm going with the 5700 :)

[tcolesen]

I suggested the 5700 since that's the motor I chose for my Dark Impact (4wd 1/10 buggy). It should be too much for the small-ish SoCal RC Raceway track. Then I can let it rip at the local 1/8 track and be sure to watch the faces of the 1/8 nitro guys :D.

[ElectricThunder]

yo what up ElectricThunder??? i do not know if they are going to publish those numbers... they sure HAUL though...... i normally run a 4600 on 3s Magnums in my T-4...... 7700 on 2s Magnum in my Kyosho Lazer, and a 5700 on a 3s Magnum in my TC4...... all are just Freak'n crazy fast... simply insane.....

Tim Mohr

CC Factory Driver
Apogee Factory Driver
Thanks timizzle...:D What kinda temps were you hitting with those setups (motor, ESC, and lipos)?

Also forgot to ask.... How in the world can Castle offer these combos for so flippin' cheap, and still be freakishly powerful? I mean....212 from horizon for the combo, and even MSRP is VERY reasonable!?!?!? I'm really curious as to how they do that... :eek:

[ElectricThunder]

I heard directly from novak that the 5.5 was about 6700 kv (At least that's what I concluded from their data). And optimaman's test was under a load. Actually I think it was 6500 kv. Still, I think the 5700 might be close to the 5.5 in performance.
Thanks for the correct novak info. Meh, my mind skips a few times now and then...heh:D I guess the overgearing potential of the mambas WAY exceeds the novaks though....::drool::

[crazyjr]

I just ordered a 5700 system for a t3 with masher 2k's and am wondering what to gear it. I know torque won't be a problem just wondering what a good start would be. it will be running 6cells at the start but may be running 3s polyquest "twenty" 3700 lipo's soon. Anybody got any suggestions