Team Losi Muggy

[LD3Furious]

I just picked up a TL Muggy today. I will break it in tomorrow after hooking up my Nomadio and "racing" servos, etc. I thought I'd try and start a thread for those who already have one and those who might be interested in getting one. I do have one gripe...but all in all, I guess this can be expected for any RTR. The shocks....I ran the truck for about a 1/2 tank eariler today and I have one shock that is already leaking out of the bottom seal. The others seem ( I'll check it out tomorrow ) to be low on oil. I don't have the manual handy at the moment...does anyone know ( or is it stated in the manual? ) what wts are used in the shocks? Also the diffs?, silicone oil or grease? Thx :)

[LD3Furious]

Blasted RAIN!!! :mad

Anyway...Ill git 'er broke in during the week, maybe and post more info when I can.

[LD3Furious]

Ok...Between last night and this afternoon, I rebuilt the shocks. Stock, they had some sort of petroleum based (motor oil???) gunk in them. The manual recommends Losi 30 wt, to which I had none. I did have some Trinity 32.5 so I used that and they feel a whole lot better. I also tightened the one bottom cartridge that was loose, so Im sure they will be fine now. I also rebuilt the diffs, which were full of grease. The manual recommends 7F-10C-5R...I chose to try 5F-10C-2R...we'll see how that goes. I ran two tanks on pavement so far and it went well. It starts up quickly and idles forever and a day no problem and seems to be very repsponsive to throttle input. I only went maybe 1/4 to 1/3 throttle so far. Few more tanks before I begin to push it, but the temps stayed low, at around 190.
While doing the rebuilds, I also put my Nomadio in it and "converted" to a single steering servo, JR 9000T. If you try this, Id suggest getting a longer servo tie rod. I installed my JR parallell to the chassis, instead of in a stock position. This was the only way I could mount it and have enough of a lead to reach the Rx. In doing this, the tie rod isn't long enough to center the bell cranks correctly. For the time being I lengthened the stock one, but will get a longer rod in due time.
Im sitting here trying to remember some of the things I found that I was not too happy with, but can only recall one. There is no provision for droop screws. This concerns me greatly as the arms have a good 1/2" more downtravel than the shocks. So far as I know, w/o droop screws, there's no way to change this. All in all, while I do have a few gripes... as Im sure I would with just about any RTR, I am very pleased with the Muggy. I should be able to get some more run time in tomorrow...will pass info along as I go.

[richpadg]

I have had the Muggy for about a week now and a few complaints. I found alot of loose screws and nuts that could have caused some problems. The engine seems to run pretty strong, but I don't have quick throttle response like I think I should. Any suggestions on that would be awesome. I plan on changing out the diff fluids and the shock oil. Last night while running the clutch locked up on me. I took it apart and it looked pretty eaten up. Don't know what happened there. TL is sending me all the parts to replace it.

Do you know if there is any control like a slipper? I know there's no transmission, just a center diff, but I didn't know if there was a way to control slippage.

Any help would be great.

Rich

[richpadg]

For the oil weights, I heard that the shocks need to be changed out to 30 to 40 wt. For the diffs, I heard to use Front - 7k, Center - 20k, and Back - 5k.

Rich

[richpadg]

I talked with Team Losi and they recommend 10-7-5, F-C-R, for the diffs. And for the shocks, 35 front and 30 rear.

[LD3Furious]

Well, due to work, I havn't had a chance to run it at all this week. I have plans this w/end too, but am off on Monday for the holiday. Hopefully the weather remains good through Monday so I can spend the day with it. As for the engine, the only thing I can think w/o hearing and seeing yours, would be to lean the bottom a little at a time....There is no slipper available for these types ( 3 diff vehicles ) of vehicle. Keep in mind, while a slipper can be used as a traction aid, it's primary purpose is to save the relatively delicate ( most times plastic ) gears that are used in transmissions. The diffs used in 1/8 Buggy/Truggy/Muggy/etc etc...are generally much more able to handle high HP and the strains related to these engines.

[metalry101]

I'm glad to hear so many good comments on these vehicles. I plan on picking one up just as soon as I can come up with the funding. I figure it'll have a few problems out of the box, like every RTR out there. As I always say, the little kids in the sweatshops deserve a little slack. :D

[LD3Furious]

I got to run a couple more tanks through it earlier this week. Prolly will get more in today since Im off work. I put it on my local track for about 2 laps, til it coughed up a screw for the Ackerman bar,lol....always tighten and TLock those RTRs :|. Anyway...it definately needs "racing" tires. From the short time I had it on the track, it pushed quite a bit at low speeds on power. The stock tires dont feel connected...hard to describe but for those that have raced, you know. A little trick I learned from my LHS...drill two holes in the chassis, where the Ackerman screws go, so you can run your Allen driver through. Otherwise the entire front end would have to be torn down to replace these screws. I also found out that normal 17mm buggy hexes from the Hyper 8 will fit perfectly if one wants to convert.

[LD3Furious]

I got to run 'er some more today. The engine is beginning to wake up now. It seems to have decent power all around, but it isn't as snappy as I would like on bottom. Basically, I think Im experiencing the same thing Rich did. All in all I am content with the engine. Maybe a little more needle work. I was VERY! disappointed today however. I ran one tank on a small track. There's two 2' high jumps...with speed one can get some good distance, but they aren't any real challenge for a good trug/buggy. I didn't wreck during this one run and I landed well off of these jumps. But, somehow a shock shaft managed to snap. At this time, I also learned that LST shafts are longer than Muggy shafts. I had bought them assuming they'd be the same, but learned otherwise when fixing the shock. I used it anyway, but it will definately be replaced with a stock shaft soon.

[richpadg]

Raced the Muggy this weekend and it seemed to handle the small track pretty well. Didn't have any problems except engine running a little hot and after hitting a wall, one of the front steering knuckles snapped. I am thinking of going to the LST2 aluminum knuckles. The tires seemed to grip very well, but I will probably switch to the Hyper 8 17mm hubs and run truggy wheels. Most likely the Crime Fighter MTs.

[LD3Furious]

I ran mine yesterday at my LHS. It ran great all day and had no breakage, unless you count the CB bearings blowing out.The front stretch has a big jump with major air. Im guessing 10-15 ft up and 20-30 ft forward!!! It jumps real well and lands great too. Even if you get a little squirrelly in the air, on the big jump at my track, there's plenty of time to correct. I feel that it doesn't seem to turn very well at low speeds.I really had to drive it in hard and stab the brakes to swing the rear around in the tight infield sections. This could be my diff set up, tires, or I found that the Ackerman link screw holes are a little distorted.Enough to create a lot of play. I'm gonna look into possible after market replacements, hopefully someone makes a CNC'd piece, if not now, hopefully soon...KHZ, Fioroni, whoever...etc.etc :):):). Also, Im not impressed with the brakes...will look into aftermarket discs. I may have to re-adjust my linkage but I think it is fine, and my Brake End Point is currently at +35. I personally don't like setting it that high. On my MGT and buggy, I have it set at +20 and have great brakes....sooo :confused: . One last note for now...I mentioned in another post about a lack of bottom end snap. I turned my Throttle Expo up to +10 and that made a big difference. Give that a shot and see if you like it, Rich. Good luck and happy bashing/racing :):):)

[balang_479]

photos???

[LD3Furious]

I have none from the track, yesterday was merely practice. I can take some still pics however...Ill post a little later.

[richpadg]

I raced over the weekend and took 1st in all qualifiers and the main. The truck was flying around the track. I didn't have any problems except for a few loose screws. It handles the jumps very well and after messing with the steering a little, it turned alot better. I am running 7-10-3 in the diffs and that seems to work just fine for the small track. While cleaning the truck yesterday, I discovered and blown wheel bearing, so you might want to pick of a full set of those when you can. I am also using the OS R5 plug which ran very well.

[LD3Furious]

Just curious...when you say "messing with the steering"....what did you do? I'm having some issues with mine I'd like to get right.

[richpadg]

Mainly messing with the settings on the transmitter. I did notice that if you tighten the two nuts on the steering link, the steering will bind. I am also looking into replacing the bushings to bearings, I just need to find out what size they are. TL couldn't tell me. I will have to take it apart and measure one. I think that would help out some too. Are you still running the stock tires?

[LD3Furious]

Yeah, stock tires. I did some fiddling with my Ackerman today.{I'd post pics but I can't seem to find my USB cord :( :confused: :mad: ** Basically, I got a couple 20mm screws. First, I threaded on a tiny piece of shrink wrap all the way up to the counter sink "shoulder" of each screw. After that, I put a nylock nut on top of each screw. I have yet to drive it and have no clue how long this will last, but it does allow me to tighten everything up nice...no more slop and no binding :D . As for the bushings, that is probably a good idea. I had mine out the other day but didn't get a measurement. I did spray on some Gunk "Liquid Wrench". Basically a goes on wet,leave a dry film lube...PTFE. This seems to help a bit. That's sad, on TLs part...that they didn't have the bearing size info. I just did a little research, both on TL's and Horizon's web page. I tried to cross reference the part # B2110. It did come up with the correct product, but sadly, there's no description.

[projectzip]

Well have a look at some Muggys in action in the UK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5hsO9LvFAE

[richpadg]

I took out the bushing and measured it and the closest bearing I could find was a 6x10x3. Here's a link for the bearing. (http://www.avidrc.com/?action=item&id=64&prevaction=category&previd=1&prevstart=0) It even states it is for 1/8 scale steering posts.

Let me know how the steering works out. I got the Hyper 8 17mm hexes in yesterday and they fit perfectly. Now, just waiting for the wheels and tires to show up, hopefully before this weekend.

[LD3Furious]

Nice vid...ya got some brave camera men there, lol. Thx:)

[projectzip]

Thats the only way I get good shots you gotta get in the way and then outta it!
Thats also me on the DUCK shot and me shouting oi at another photographer cause he wasnt paying attention!
I just need for the team to buy me a Muggy now!

[4DMNYC]

I got some muggy shots I'd like to add to the conversation...

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l175/4DMNYC/muggy5.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l175/4DMNYC/muggy4.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l175/4DMNYC/muggy2.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l175/4DMNYC/muggy.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l175/4DMNYC/muggy6.jpg

http://i96.photobucket.com/albums/l175/4DMNYC/group.jpg

[projectzip]

LRP Engine going in my mates for racing this weekend!!
Should be interesting!

[richpadg]

4DMNYC, have you changed out the grease in your diffs to diff lube? Those tires are ballooning like crazy. Nice pics though.

[4DMNYC]

Nadda, she's bone stock for now. I do plan to put oil in the diffs though. I just wanted to see her in stock form.

[projectzip]

Another Muggy video. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t9ORpLHe1bI
.

[4DMNYC]

That was a good vid! Noice

[richpadg]

Well, went to the races this weekend and didn't make it to the third qualifier before a steering servo went out. Hopefully, TL will replace it. I am looking at going with the single servo setup and putting the Hitec 5955TG in.

[4DMNYC]

I gotta say this. And some of you may dissagree. But the chassis on the muggy is HORRIBLE!!!! Losi needs to address this issue. It has waaaaay too much flex. I'm going to rig up a chassis brace system for the time being.(Dominator style!) But the aftermarket needs to make a GOOD chassis, and Losi needs to re-design the one on there now.

[LD3Furious]

So far, I have not had any problems, but mine has seen actual track time, rather than hardcore bashing time.Im sure if I was attempting some of the huge air backflip stunt type action then I would likely have the same issues. I did note in an eariler post, my dis-satisfaction with Losi using stamped steel.I definately agree, we need a QUALITY! aftermarket chassis. It would also be nice if it would allow droop adjustment too. My biggest issue is the steering Ackerman...also stamped...JUNK! My trug has sooo much slop due to the screw holes going oblong on me.I emailed KHZ, but havn't gotten a response...hopefully they ( or someone else) are considering it for us :). Im also attempting to put a non P/S engine ( my O.P.S Torque ) in it. I've found that the Hyper 7 purple mounts look like they will work fine. My only problem is I only have one, lol. For some reason I can't find another. I will have to see if I can find the other at a friend's house. Rich, I used a Mugen buggy steering link for the single servo set up.It is approx. 50mm long and the same thread as the stock Muggy ballcups.

[richpadg]

Rich, I used a Mugen buggy steering link for the single servo set up.It is approx. 50mm long and the same thread as the stock Muggy ballcups.

Can you send me a pic of what you have setup? Send a link to the Mugen steering link too.

Thanks

[LD3Furious]

Wish I could :(...my cam jus crapped on me...
If you look at the radio tray where the steering servo goes, you'll see how you can mount the dual servo set up...but also look at how there's the single set up, the slots are "cut out" aligning the servo along the same plane as the throttle servo. Place your steering servo here with the lead towards the Rx box. I also can not locate the actual pt# for the links I got. I gave the Muggy link to my LHS owner and asked him to compare and see if he had something that would work, he gave me a Mugen package. These are 3x50mm. Im sure any 3x50mm link will work. I do have an extra though, heck if ya want, just PM me and I can send it out to ya :)
I was unable to locate my H7 motor mount, lol..so Im gonna check a few other things and see what I can come up with. I did find a few things though, that may make the Muggy a little better. Will post more info when Im done fiddling :)

[richpadg]

What is wrong with using the stock link? How about mounting a single servo in the spot closest to the front and using the stock link, would that work?

[LD3Furious]

It will with the stock link. The problem I had was the lead on my JR 9000T would not reach the Rx box this way, so I mounted it as stated.The Hitec may have a longer lead??? IDK :confused: However, in mounting as I did, a longer link is necessary ( and easier than lengthening a servo lead ) to have the steering alignment correct.
I think I may have found a way to give the Muggy better brakes. I'll have to drive it to know for sure and I have no clue when I'll be able to... Anyway, I found some old Hyper 7 pads. The holes don't quite line up perfectly with the Muggy calipers, but if you whittle away a little they will work. I took the Muggy pads off and re-glued the H7 pads. While working on this, I found that the guides for the disc, which are attached by a screw to the diff holder halves, were binding so I removed them. This may come back to haunt me ( no seasonal pun intended ) but I figure it was worth a shot to eliminate the binding. On the other hand, I may put (at least one) back on. I'll have to look further, but I believe that this would be a perfect mounting location for the Tach sensor that the Nomadio is equiped with...another time...

[MUGGYKING]

i bought a RTR muggy last week. much better then the RC10T, Nitro Rustler etc. I used to own and mod.

My problem is my shock shaft snapped on a light bump and i cannot find a stock replacement online (I live in a small beach town no hobby shop)

if and what front shocks should i order as replacements for this truck, sounds like this may be a problem with the stock gear.

LD3Furious seems to have the MUGGY dialed so I figured I would see his advice on upgrading shocks.

thanks

[LD3Furious]

I had a problem with a shaft snapping as well. As noted in an earlier post, I simply put an LST shaft on. It is longer than the stock Muggy shaft, but with the arms having no droop adjustment, this hasn't been a problem for me...yet, lol. Im actually thinking I may get the Ti coated LST shafts for it. I may be wrong, but the way it is stock, the arms have quite a bit more travel in them than the shafts allow...this may be why the shaft snapped. The arm wanted to travel further down than the shaft would allow. I think with the longer LST shafts, this won't be a problem. And I'll have the added benefit of a smoother shock.As for another company's shocks, I havn't even thought about it.
http://www.losipartshouse.com/servlet/the-LOSI-MUGGY/searchpath/38441/start/11/total/58/Categories
Here is a link to an online store that has Muggy parts, the part # for the stock shafts is LOSB2842. The following is a link to the LST shafts, if you should decide to go this route. Good luck and happy bashing :)
http://www.losipartshouse.com/servlet/Categories

[LD3Furious]

I just ran a tank, before I go to work.The brakes are spot on! I forgot to mention, I also switched the springs on the linkage for fuel tubing. Im very pleased. I changed the clutch too...new bearings, K carbons and K 1.1s...I like this much better than stock. Just wanted to post a little info...unfortunately, Im going on a little trip...will not be home for a week or so. I'm debating taking the Muggy with me...but I'm traveling with a group so I don't really know if I will have room to...ah well...hopefully when I get back I'll be able to run 'er some more :)

[richpadg]

Where did you get the clutch parts from? Link?

[richpadg]

OK, after changing the steering bushings to bearings, the steering is a lot tighter. I also came up with a replacement for the steering link. Here are some pics of it.

What I did was bought a Traxxas 58mm turnbuckle, part# TRA5539 and cut about 1/8" off of each side and then used the rod ends from the Muggy turnbuckle. I used a cap head screw and a lock nut to attach the turnbuckle to the steering pivots. Now that there is a turnbuckle in use, the screw and nut can be tightened as much as needed without binding.

[Killerush]

My wife bought herself a new Muggy this weekend. I talked her into the JP-2 pipe as well and I broke it in for her Saturday. Pretty sweet truck, but the steering linkage is not a very good design. Looks like way too much slop, I also saw the same problem on another guy's Muggy. I'll be rebuilding the shocks tonight with heavier weight oil and I may tackle the diffs. The wife loves it though so maybe she'll spend more time at the track now. I am a monster truck guy, but now I'm looking for a truggy myself. :D

[richpadg]

My wife bought herself a new Muggy this weekend. I talked her into the JP-2 pipe as well and I broke it in for her Saturday. Pretty sweet truck, but the steering linkage is not a very good design. Looks like way too much slop, I also saw the same problem on another guy's Muggy. I'll be rebuilding the shocks tonight with heavier weight oil and I may tackle the diffs. The wife loves it though so maybe she'll spend more time at the track now. I am a monster truck guy, but now I'm looking for a truggy myself. :D

Check out my post below to help with the steering slop. Changing to Truggy size wheels helps alot too.

[projectzip]

One of the racers I know has added all the LST2 Alloy wishbones etc etc and also put two chassis together to strengthen it up.
Also shoved an lrp28 engine in it and boy does it fly.
As for single servo setup we have put in twin digital hitecs in the muggys as single setup still wasnt great. Just need someone to come up with a better linkage for them as the standard linkage blows monkeys!
And what is with these damn shock shafts there so flimsy!
Oh and whilst filming this weekend I had a muggy knock me over after whacking me in the ankles but due to someone fiddling with my camcorder they happened to film over the scene where the muggy comes flying towards me and the camera drops on the floor!
However you can see some pics of me with Muggy tire tracks on my legs!
http://www.sundonmodelshop.com/picgallery/displayimage.php?album=21&pos=24
http://www.sundonmodelshop.com/picgallery/displayimage.php?album=21&pos=25
And heres a pic of the lil bugger that got me!
http://www.sundonmodelshop.com/picgallery/displayimage.php?album=21&pos=32

[2DMaxLST]

Here's some shots of my Muggy.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/2DMaxLST/Muggy/DSC_0159.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/2DMaxLST/Muggy/DSC_0160.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/2DMaxLST/Muggy/DSC_0147.jpg

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/2DMaxLST/Muggy/DSC_0136.jpg

[projectzip]

Nice shots! Are those the standard rims?

Has anyone else had the bodymount holes stressed and split onthe body?

[2DMaxLST]

Those are 17mm STR wheels with Max sized bowties. (Mugen 17mm hexes)

I always use the largest 1/8 scale body clips to prevent any damage to my body. I ream out the body posts with a 3/32 drill bit so I can use them.

[balang_479]

Nice shots and the muggy really is nice.

[richpadg]

Try running the Kyosho 777 STR rims mounted with Crime Fighter MTs. Awesome combination. You also lose about three pounds of weight.

[2DMaxLST]

Explain how to loose 3lbs of weight, are you talking about the Muggy??

[richpadg]

With the stock wheels it weighed right around 13 pounds and after switching it was around 10 pounds.

[2DMaxLST]

Stock Muggy with stock wheels and battery pack...
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/2DMaxLST/Muggy/IMG_0340.jpg

Stock Muggy tires and wheels - LOSI 420 series with Super King pins.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/2DMaxLST/Muggy/IMG_0348.jpg

MT size BT's on ProLine 23mm
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/2DMaxLST/Muggy/IMG_0346.jpg

Muggy with Maxx sized BT on 17mm hex rims with Mugen hexes..
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/2DMaxLST/Muggy/IMG_0405.jpg

[2DMaxLST]

Well, went to the races this weekend and didn't make it to the third qualifier before a steering servo went out. Hopefully, TL will replace it. I am looking at going with the single servo setup and putting the Hitec 5955TG in.

It works well just make sure you get a alum horn (spined for HiTech) for it. The cable on this servo reaches the radiobox.
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/2DMaxLST/Muggy/IMG_0777.jpg

[2DMaxLST]

I don't know how you break a shock shaft on the track. If you are wrecking that hard I would suggest slowing down till you can become more consistent. I've had some nasty spill and have not broken anything on the track.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/2DMaxLST/Muggy/DSC_0124.jpg

[4DMNYC]

In all fairness, all tracks are different. With different size jumps. And I'll tell you right now. The muggy cannot handle extremely large jumps. Specificly the chassis and screws. And I know how to land a jump properly. It's not me. Everything else seems to be holding up. I might be doing an unfair comparison, considering I bash and you guys race. But those are my gripes.

[richpadg]

What size is the biggest bearing on the 8ight clutch?

[2DMaxLST]

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c380/2DMaxLST/Muggy/8ight_clutch.jpg

[richpadg]

So, has anyone found a higher tooth spur gear that will fit the Muggy?

Is the 8ight clutch worth getting or would I be better off going with the Fioroni?

[2DMaxLST]

I've got both and will be testing them out.

[richpadg]

I've got both and will be testing them out.

Let me know what you find out. I really want to switch. Did you have to do anything special to get the 8ight clutch to fit?

[LD3Furious]

Rich- What size bearings did you use for the bellcrank? I havn't looked at mine yet. For my clutch, I had this exact setup on an Axial .32 in my MGT. I don't recall where I bought it...but it won't be hard to find online. Just your normal Kyosho carbon shoes and 1.1 springs.

[richpadg]

They were 6x10x3. What setup on the clutch are you talking about?

[LD3Furious]

Im a little confused now, lol. I'd said in an earlier post, that I had changed my clutch on the 427. You asked for a link to the parts. I had a set up ( which was the Kyosho carbon/1.1 spring combo) on my Axial. I simply took that off and put it on the 427.

[richpadg]

Sorry, I've been looking at so many different setups lately, it's hard to keep them all straight.

[redneckracer197]

Anyone know what the length difference in the shock shafts are betwen A Muggy and a LST?

[4DMNYC]

I don't know the exact number. But the LST ones are a couple of mm's longer.

[redneckracer197]

I need to know the length difference for a project that I am attempting And I can't find the nmubers anywhere. Even on Losi's site.

[4DMNYC]

I know LD3Furious from these boards is using the lst shock shafts in his mug. He may be able to give you the info your looking for.

[redneckracer197]

Well I want to run the Muggy shafts in my LST bodies for my truggy project that is why I need the length. thanks for the info

[LD3Furious]

W/O tearing my shocks completely apart, I can tell you that the LST shafts are approximately 10mm longer. If you do need exact measurement, I can just rebuild my shocks if I need to.

[redneckracer197]

Or if you can get me a pic of a Muggy shock next to a LST shock that would work also.

[LD3Furious]

Muggy Shaft, end to end = 78mm
LST Shaft, end to end = 87mm
Hope that works for ya....I needed a shock rebuild anyway, my oil was a tad dirty :)

[redneckracer197]

Cool thanks Also are the muggy shock bodies shorter then the LST bodies?

[LD3Furious]

That, I have no clue. My story goes...
I once snapped the shaft on my Muggy. I went to the LHS for replacements, found a package labled for the LST, but none specifically for the Muggy. I took a gamble and bought them, hoping that maybe it was simply an old package, released before the Muggy, and that the shafts for both trucks would be the same. I get back to my bash area, where I had left all my tools and Muggy with friends while I went to the LHS. Compared the good shafts still on the Mug to the new ones I had just bought. The new ones are longer. I put one on anyway...but I never messed with the LST bodies, so I have no idea....sorry.

[TZapp]

thanks for all the posts on the Muggy, I have learned alot from reading them. im new to the nitro game . it seems that when i have the engine in my muggy tuned to have good power through the whole rpm range, that the engine temp is around 280 degrees. The manual that came with the Muggy suggests a temp range from 200 to 230 degrees. if i tune my Truck to obtain that temp, mt truck is sluggish on the mid to upper rpm. any help would be appreciated,thanks.

[fourwheels0]

my 427 likes to run best at around 240-260. 280 is a little high richen it up a tad and keep an eye on it and you'll be ok.

[TZapp]

Thanks, ill try that.Did anyone ever figure out what to do about the rear shock hitting the shock tower bolts? i owned and raced a XXX-T MF2 and i must say that the design of the Muggy is lacking when compared to it. the MF2 was my first RC car/truck. Ive been hooked on the sport every since :P Thanks again, Peace..\/,

[Joe Brinduse]

[QUOTE=LD3Furious]Yeah, stock tires. I did some fiddling with my Ackerman today.{I'd post pics but I can't seem to find my USB cord

What is the part # for the (ackerman) I dont know what this is :( If i had the part # then i can look it up Thanks

[LD3Furious]

The Ackerman link is the piece that connects the two bellcranks as well as the toe links. Pt # is B2113

[Joe Brinduse]

The Ackerman link is the piece that connects the two bellcranks as well as the toe links. Pt # is B2113
Cool thank you thats what i was thinking .
I just got my muggy and got 2 tanks in for now.

[LD3Furious]

Well, sad to say...I just sold mine. I definitely enjoyed it and would have liked to keep 'er...but Im lacking funds right now. Anyway...feel free to keep the thread alive, if anyone has questions I'll try and see if I can come up with answers. :) Good luck and happy bashin with your Muggys...

[TVG4Life]

I really like the LST2 and the Muggy... My main concern is what class must you race in with the Muggy..? I would like to stay with the Monster Truck class mainly due to my area I am in. The MT class seems to be about going out and having fun. Where as the Truggy/Buggy class locally is too serious for me. I am a basher so I would like to "play" with the Muggy more so then actually racing...

Thanks in advance...

[balang_479]

Because the engine is not 1.5 inches from the bottom of the chassis in the Muggy it has to race in the TRuggy class but for some club races they may not be too bothered. if you wanna race MT then youre better off getting the LST2.

[LD3Furious]

http://www.rctech.net/forum/showthread.php?p=2936851#post2936851

Some hop ups are now ( or soon will be ) available :):):)

[TZapp]

Thanks for the heads up on the Muggy hop ups ;)
Prolly get them soon.

[TZapp]

Add another shock shaft to the list of broken parts on the Muggy. I ran the Trucks left front tire through a small but deep hole at a low speed , and the shaft broke off at the threads. Losi was more than happy to send me a new one. should be here soon :huh:

[TZapp]

Does anyone know if these will fit the Muggy, without modification to the part?

http://integy.automated-shops.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/st_prod.html?p_prodid=2897&p_catid=75&sid=4wSJJh1jZE-e7Q9-43107176176.f2

http://integy.automated-shops.com/cgi-bin/webc.cgi/st_prod.html?p_prodid=2891&p_catid=75&sid=4wSJJh1jZE-e7Q9-25107196976.1a

[suckfish]

yeah they should fit

[dirtybirdjr]

has anybody else had a problem with the starting system? my friend has a mug and we were trying to start it and it just free wheels and doesn't catch on the motor. any help would be great.

[fourwheels0]

your oneway bearing is slipping. take off the pressure line on the pipe and blow in it till you see fuel going to the carb NOW open the carb a little and keep blowing for 1-3 seconds.put the line back on the pipe and try starting it up. you might have to blip the starter a few time's till it grab's. i've done this with my lst2 and it works every time. what happens is you get oil buildup on the oneway and by putting that extra fuel in there at startup it cleans off that built up oil and allows the oneway to grab.

[dirtybirdjr]

thanks i will try it next time we go bash

[bigmike702]

Hey guys new to the forum, recently got the muggy, have had problems with the one way bearing. Replaced that, but now i have a grinding or whinng type on noise when driving it and I've lost the top end power! Any ideas? I'm thinking the diff. I checked the motor alignment already.

[LD3Furious]

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Stores/Products.aspx?StoreCatId=C&SortBy=LatestRelease&IsNew=1&BrandId=LOS

Check this out...

[TZapp]

i can hardly wait till that stuff is off back order. i like the mud guards, the track i race on is wet down before mains. as for the aluminum lower shock mounts, they look sweet, but i already made myself some on the milliing machine at work. they dont look as good though, because they are just silver ,not blue anodized. thanks again for the heads up on the hop ups . i hope Team Losi, and others keep the ball rolling with the muggy.

[LD3Furious]

I hear ya...Im especially impressed with the chassis. I think that will make the biggest improvement.

[metalry101]

http://www.horizonhobby.com/Stores/Products.aspx?StoreCatId=C&SortBy=LatestRelease&IsNew=1&BrandId=LOS

Check this out...
Man...you just had to go and give me a reason to buy a Muggy didn't you? ;) I've been wanting one of these bad boys for a while. Now that more hop-ups are becoming available, I'll probably look into getting one for myself this spring.

[LD3Furious]

Lol!!! I feel it is a great truck. I wish I didn't have $$$ issues...Who knows, I may end up getting a new one come summer time. In the meantime though, Im gonna focus on getting my MGT runnin right.Monster Jam is coming to Hartford in a couple weeks :):):)

[metalry101]

Lol!!! I feel it is a great truck. I wish I didn't have $$$ issues...Who knows, I may end up getting a new one come summer time. In the meantime though, Im gonna focus on getting my MGT runnin right.Monster Jam is coming to Hartford in a couple weeks :):):)
Ya, it looks like a good truck stock with a lot of potential. Problem is...I can't leave potential as it is. I've gotta have the baddest truck out there. Well...maybe not the baddest...but I want it built the way I want it, and I'm a snob so that means high end stuff. Lately I've been working on getting my MGT and LST back up and running. The Hellfire, E-Maxx, and TNX 5.2R have all been getting a lot of attention too. I'll post up some pics when I get them all finished. :D With all the overtime I've been getting lately I might reward all my hard work with a Muggy...we'll see. I need to start saving up for the Great Lakes Bashfest. 1800 miles is a long damn ways. :D

[bigmike702]

I just sent my muggy back today. I only had it three weeks, went through three one way bearings, entire clutch assembly, bell housing, bone dry center diff, and finally the throttle servo went out! :mad: Pretty bummed cause when she ran, it was the best on the track! Hopefully they figure it out, the one way issue is totally rediculous. :eek:The truck has more down time than track time. A lot of $$$ just sitting there.

[cplav]

I am looking at getting a Muggy in the next few weeks. Has there been a review done in the mag? I would love to read it.

Any tips or suggestions before I buy one of these or should I stay away?

[sobonam]

Truck has two many issues and needs too many upgrades just to get it to fuction correctly. Buy a real truggy or just wait for the race roller from losi. You will thank me. My friend told me not to buy it and i did it was a big mistake

[TZapp]

i own the Muggy, the only real problems i have run into so far is the clutch. after some upgrades it seems to be ok too. in the beggining i was over whelmed a little with all the small stuff that needed to be ironed out with the truck. turns out as with most ready to run trucks , the things i was seeing were normal (loose screws, stripped out screws, leaky diffs, and such). my advice is to get the Muggy if you can be patient, while you iron out the small stuff. if you do get it then go ahead and get the 12 tooth vented clutch bell and the dynamite long life clutch shoes . If you put in that stuff , and loctite all the bolts and set screws you will be good to go. The truck is really good on the track. I run dirt oval and a technical track with mine. i really like my truck. And look at it this way ,if you buy the 8ight T all you have is a race roller without any electronics, or motor. Here is a link to one review by a magazine..... enjoy!
http://www.rcuniverse.com/magazine/article_display.cfm?article_id=820

..\/, Peace , TZAPP

[MD707]

I saw your post about the clutch destroying itself. Mine did the same thing. I did the recomended break in by running two tanks of gas thru it with no throttle. What they don't tell you is that the clutch does not get worn in that way and if you take the car out and go spin it around on loose dirt, the clutch will over heat and burn up the bearings. I got the clutch replaced and its working fine now. Other than that I have only had minor breakages with this car.

[revohell]

I bought the muggy a couple months ago and have only driven it a little but it is an awesome truck. I have the same problem with my clutch pack. It still works but is noisy and i will replace it soon. The only thing i don't like is the backwards position of the fuel tank opening. This truck kills my other trucks and my buddies trucks even bashing it, it's been great.

[TZapp]

Here is a link to another forum where alot of info on the Muggy clutch can be found. alot of intersting solutions and ideas out there for the problems that Plague Muggy owners. Have a look and see if you might find the answers to your problems there.

http://lstforums.com/forums/index.php?f=50&sid=cc4aa16db5c1f4aaf143f0b8edf09003


Good Luck, TZAPP

[plod]

The only thing i don't like is the backwards position of the fuel tank opening.
If it was the other way, crap would congregate around the opening and could get in during refueling!

[revohell]

that is true i thought about that but it just seems to be a pain and messy filling like that. Maybe i should cut out the side window for better access like on my hellfire.

[cplav]

This is a great thread and I am very interested in the MUGGY. As I mentioned before I am leaning towards the Muggy but want to know if the issues that everyone is having would stop them from purchasing the truck if they had known about them before they bought it.

In other words - would you still buy it, knowing what you know today?

[LD3Furious]

I had one, as you can see if you've read the entire thread. I had a great time with mine, and would get another if/when I decide to look for a Truggy.Especially now that hop ups are coming out.

[plod]

In other words - would you still buy it, knowing what you know today?

I thought I was a basher through and through, and had a swb lightning truggy previously. I used to bash the crap out of it, and thoroughly had a good time with it. I thought about upgrading it, but decided I could sell it, and the extra £200 I would of spent would get me a new truggy. I planned to occassionally race with it and bash with it the rest of the time. However the racing bug has well and truly bit, and bashing with it is appealing less and less.
It makes me think that I could of bought a top spec truggy and motor and probably spent less money!

I still like the fact that I can turn up somewhere and the chances of seeing another muggy are slim, but I question whether it was the wisest move on my part.

I have a savage, and did have a lightning2 pro and the swb lightning truggy so there were parts that could crossover between all three models and then just the lightnings. I can see the point that if you have a lst2 then the muggy probably makes a good choice, if you sort the clutch out.
Maybe I should sell the savage and get a lst2 then :D :D :D

[sobonam]

i would not buy it if I had to do over again the only way I would buy it is as a roller. i just sold mine for 150 roller and it had one piece engine mount and 17 mm hubs, hexes, that is the only way i would buy it the wheels are to heavy the chasis needs stiffing and a good 21 makes it run longer and the starter boxes are nice. So if I were you I would look for a roller.

[TZapp]

Yes i would buy it over again. and about the chassis flex everyone is talking about, i cant see my chassis while im running the truck to know if it flexing or not. I would not count any flex that might be there while the truck is on a stand and im trying to flex it just to see if it has any. i havent had any trouble with a bent chassis either. So if you like the Muggy from the things you have read, dont let the few who dont like thiers sway you. I will say this, keep some bearings, 12 tooth vented clutch bell, and a set of Dynamite Max life clutch shoes in yer tool box. you will need to change the shoes and bearings eventually. as with any thing mechanical, there will be maintenance to do on the Muggy. it seems that the clutch is the part of this particular model, that needs to be paid attention to. i see guys out there with the HPI hellfire truggies going through differentials alot. So maybe that is the week link with that truggy. what im saying is , you will have something with any RC truck/truggy you buy. Only difference is with the Muggy you been reading about the clutch, on different sites and you already know about it.

Good Luck, TZAPP
..\/,

[revohell]

I would totally buy it all over again. I bash it very hard and it takes every second of it very well!!! This is my favorite truck so far.

[turk182]

CAN I JOIN THIS THREAD PLEASE PLEASE , i just got my Losi Muggy and all i can do is look at it, the weather here in MN is in the crapper so till it gets better all i can do is keep looking at the Muggy and go over it so its ready to go when the weather gets better, good thing to 2 of the wheels were loose other than that iam just charging the tx battery and waiting. looking to be big fun.

[TZapp]

Thats funny about the loose wheels. when i went over my truck i had one wheel nut that was stripped, it looked like they used an air wrench and it slipped. All 4 wheels were so tight that i almost didnt get them loose. i examined the hexes and the nuts after disassembly and there was red loctite on there. go figure.....i guess it depends on who assembles these RTR trucks as to what you get. I recently took a hard right hand turn on an all left hand turn track(dirt oval), and busted the front right upper and lower suspension arms off of my truck, also bent the rurn buckle. suprising to me thats all it dammaged.

Good Luck with the weather, TZAPP
..\/,

[turk182]

ya just got done with the drive way shoveling, i did do 1 tank of engine idling on the bench tho, stupid snow.

[turk182]

I want to ask this question here an maybe on other sites about the Losi Muggy, has anyone used the 12 tooth clutch bell and switch over to using truggy sized tires and rims, if so did it fix the clutch burn out problem. also how dose the muggy handel with the smaller tires on it.

[plod]

I've switched to 12t CB and 48t spur and bowtie mtr's, but I only managed 9 tanks through it, as it's so wet here in the u.k. at the mo. Although my v6 only lasted 9 before the changes, so it's an improvement already, but obviously not conclusive evidence as yet.

[Joe Brinduse]

go with a 12 CB and dynamite max-life aluminum clutch shoe set

p\n (dynp5180) $19.99 This set up works good. :)

[turk182]

wells here is what i did the my muggy to get rid of the clutch issue .
first i replaced the clutch shoes , clutch bell 12 th, an springs.
i used ofna parts.

ofna black clutch shoes. part # is 10010
ofna 12 th clutch bell W/bearings. part # is 10398
ofna gold clutch springs 1.1 mms part # is 10101
still did not like the feel of this set up so i went and put the truggy tires and rims on the muggy and i think this is the ticked to sorting out the clutch issue.
I ran 1 tank in the cold this morning to see how i like it with the tires and new rims and it seems way better now.

[hell cat]

how long does the clucth usually take to lock up or destroy itself. just ran my first tank through it today.

[turk182]

different results are varying from every one, mine were in bad shape after about 5-6 tanks on the break in of the engine. thats when i changed them over to the ofna stuff.

[plod]

I never used the stock clutch and went to an orion v6, which was destroyed in 9 tanks. That includes 2 tanks of static as well!

[hell cat]

thanks guys

[turk182]

Hay PLOD
we have a hinckley in the US here to, small world....

[4DMNYC]

I'm suprized that alot of you are missing the real issue with the truck. The clutch is not wearing out because it's low quality. It's wearing out because the chassis is flexing (wheather you notice it or not) and causing the cb to slightly rub against the spur, heating up the bearings and frying the clutch shoes. Losi has just released a stiffer chassis to remedy this problem. Granted, switching to a 12t cb and swaping out the stock clutch shoes for better ones is a great mod for this truck. You should still keep a very close eye on your clutch while running with that set up. Just putting it out there, this was my expirience with the muggy before I got rid of it. Other than that I think it's a fantastic truck with alot of potential.

[hell cat]

so i should keep an eye on any contact wear do too the cb rubbing on the spur.is there any way to fix this other than the new chassis. im fine with what ever work needs to be done .just not looking forward to switching chassis out.

[cplav]

Is Losi doing anything about the chasis for current owners or people who buy a Muggy with an old chasis?

If I had to purchase a new stiffer chasis on my own which one do you recommend and how much is it?

[hell cat]

i just got done looking at mine. it looks like there is 3/16 of clearance between the cb and the spur . i highly doubt it flexes that much. i will keep an eye on it but i think there is some other problem here

[4DMNYC]

so i should keep an eye on any contact wear do too the cb rubbing on the spur.is there any way to fix this other than the new chassis. im fine with what ever work needs to be done .just not looking forward to switching chassis out.

Definitly.^^
You can figure out a way to brace the chassis. You can try to use the chassis brace from the OFNA Dominator. But you'll have to make if fit the muggy. Or create something similar. Might be easier to just buy a new chassis. Also, this (http://www.horizonhobby.com/Products/Default.aspx?ProdID=LOSB5028) engine mount will help a bit with the chassis flex. But it won't work with all engines, and certainly not the stock one unless you cut off the back of the mount to make room for the roto start. My best advise would be to keep an eye on your truck a nip any issue in the bud before it turns into a big issue and you should be fine.


Is Losi doing anything about the chasis for current owners or people who buy a Muggy with an old chasis?

If I had to purchase a new stiffer chasis on my own which one do you recommend and how much is it?

I don't think so. My buddy, and someone from this forum both called about it and they say they have'nt heard of this problem :rolleyes: So I guess not.

So far the only chassis that is out is the one from Losi (and I'm not 100% sure it's even out yet, my shop owner told me about it). It could actualy only be the stock chassis that got released. Because I just tried to find it online and came up with nothing but the stocker :roll2:

In Losi's defence, I will say that they usualy have great customer support. And their products are usualy pretty good. And all in all, the Muggy is a good truck. It has issues just like any other rc out there. But having chassis issues is too much of a pain for most people to deal with.

[4DMNYC]

i just got done looking at mine. it looks like there is 3/16 of clearance between the cb and the spur . i highly doubt it flexes that much. i will keep an eye on it but i think there is some other problem here


Light to moderate driving will not cause the chassis to flex enough to fry the clutch. But for the heavy bashers out there (even the ones that know how to drive and land well) the chassis is just not up to the task. If you pick your muggy up off the ground and hold it by the front and rear modules. You'll be able to flex it enough to touch the CB and spur together. You should not be able to flex a chassis that much by hand unless you race 10th or 8th onroad. 1/8th off road vehichles need more strength than that. Regardless if you bash or race.

[LD3Furious]

http://www.losipartshouse.com/servlet/the-LOSI-MUGGY-cln-TL-Option-Parts/Categories



Notice in particular, the hard ano'd chassis :):):) Of course, it isn't yet available...but it's coming

[4DMNYC]

Thanks LD3.

$70.00 seems to be a reasonable price.

[LD3Furious]

NP :)...I agree...compared to some "stock" chassis' ...$70 is nice :)

[TZapp]

I must say that chassis flex is not what killed my first clutch. i only ran my Muggy on grass around the house, and a dirt oval track. the bearings were getting hot and that made the clutchbell get hot and so on. end result was the stock gold shoes mushroomed and came apart along with the bearings. i switched to the Dynamite shoes and the shoes are lasting a long time without mushrooming. i am currently working on my second gallon of fuel with the first set of dynamite shoes. as for the bearings and clutch bell. i use avid bearings and a 12 tooth clutch bell . the bearings are lasting longer than the original bearings, but they are getting hot. the reason the bearings are getting hot is that the shoes are slipping at low to medium speed. that is because the Muggy is geared wrong from the fatory. the stock tires are a bit big even for a 12 tooth Clutch bell. when i get the GRP cubics. ill update with Clutch bell temps. i am currently getting 200-250 F while blasting around the yard starting and stopping. while running the dirt oval, the temps are lower.

Good Luck, TZAPP

[TZapp]

http://www.killerhobbies.com/items/team-losi/team-losi-lst-lst2-aftershock-muggy/team-losi-muggy-option-parts/team-losi-hard-anodized-main-chassis-for-muggy-losb2275-detail.htm

get it while it lasts

[plod]

Here in the u.k. Innovative-rc has put into production today a Muggy chassis made from T6-7075 and with milling out to increase strength. It's been in development for the last 2 months, but design has been finalised and should of gone on the cnc machine today.

I've asked him to also make chassis braces, a radio tray with the throttle servo moved out a bit to aloow bigger spur gears; hinge pin retainers, and a battery box lid with an extra 1-2mm and which won't flex. However i've not be privileged with the cad drawings of the other bits, but i've seen the chassis, and it p's all over the losi upgraded one.

[4DMNYC]

Dude, thats awesome. I know those parts (especialy the chassis) are going to make alot of people very happy.

[revohell]

what about using the LST2 plastic clutch shoes?

[LD3Furious]

IMO, it really needs an aftermarket steering Ackerman brace ;)

[plod]

IMO, it really needs an aftermarket steering Ackerman brace ;)

Ok i'll have a word with him :)

[hell cat]

broke a shock shaft tonight fairly easily. are there any shafts other than stock?

[plod]

broke a shock shaft tonight fairly easily. are there any shafts other than stock?
There is the ti ni shock shafts for the lst, but I believe they are around 2mm longer. I've heard of people cutting them down and cutting a couple more threads into them to compensate, but not tried it myself. Although if I do have a problem, I'll more than likely give it a go, especially as my bro is an engineer and will take him seconds to sort this out for me.

[LD3Furious]

The LST shafts are much longer, if I remember correct. I had bought them by mistake for my Mug. I thought they'd be the same. What I did was to slide a piece of fuel tubing on the outside of the shaft to make up the difference.

[LD3Furious]

Muggy Shaft, end to end = 78mm
LST Shaft, end to end = 87mm
Hope that works for ya....I needed a shock rebuild anyway, my oil was a tad dirty :)


Here ya go.. :)

[cplav]

2 questions for everyone

- What brand and percentage fuel does everyone recommend?

- Do you think the new RPM gears for the 8ight will work with the Muggy? I saw them as I was logging in on the RC Car Action main site.

I order mine tomorrow and can't wait to play.

[LD3Furious]

I used Byron's Race Blend 30% with an RB #6 plug in the 427.
RPM gears? RPM makes plastic products. Albeit extremely high quality comes from their factory, I don't think they do any gears. Im guessing you're talking about the Robinson clutch bell. There was some talk earlier in this thread of people using the Losi style CB. Im not sure if it worked well or not. Hopefully those that did it will reply.

[hell cat]

thanks guys called losi today they are sending me a new one.lhs doesnt have parts yet.

[TZapp]

I use 20% Blue Thunder sport with a McCoy #59 Glow plug in my Muggy. Plenty of power. I use a 12 tooth clutch bell, Dynamite Max Life shoes, with 1mm springs,and Avid bearings.

Peace, TZAPP

[cplav]

My bad, I ment Robinson Racing gears.

How do I know what the best fuel % and plug to use? Is it just trial and error?

Besides the clutch issue is there anything else that I need to get before I start to play around?

[TZapp]

I wouldnt worry about the clutch till it goes out, IT WILL GO OUT, just keep extra bearings and 12t clutch bell on hand along with Dynamite shoes or the fioroni set up. about the fuel, most racers like to run racing fuel 30%. me personally i dont run anything but Blue Thunder 20% sport. it is good fuel and will extend your engine life, it has an additive in it that makes the engine bog if your over lean the motor(thats a good thing). the hotter burning fuels run good but the tuning the motor is usually a bit more difficult. i recommend if you dont race everyday or weekend, to just run the sport fuels. they are much more easy to tune your motor on. just look up the motor you have and see what glow plug is recommended. if you got the Mach 427, it comes with the McCoy mc59 plug, and they recommend that plug on the motor tech sheet. if you do go with 30% fuel i would recommend running a cooler plug. hope that helps.

Peace, TZAPP

[cplav]

I have a bunch of old 2.2 tires and rims from a few other trucks I had. These will not fit the Muggy correct? I want to sell them but just wanted to make sure they didn't fit before I sold them.

I keep seeing 40 series tires being talked about, what size tires should I look for?

Sorry for the stupid questions, I get my truck on Friday and just want to get out there...once all the snow melts!

[TZapp]

the stock tires and wheels that come on the Muggy are huge. they weigh alot too. if you plan to race, you may want to get some 17mm hexes, and truggy wheels and tires. i hear that the GRP Cubics, work really well on hard clay. the hexes that come stock on the Muggy are 20mm. hope that helps.

Peace, TZAPP

[cplav]

I got my Muggy on Friday and finally got a chance to play on Sunday after charging batteries, etc. I ran two tanks through the car at idle to break in the motor but I had an issue trying to get it to move. Every time I would pull the trigger it would go and then turn off. For some reason the battery died in the spin start so I didn't get a chance to try a few things but has anyone had a similar issue, or something that might be common that I am not checking?

The only thing I can think of is that the brakes are too tight. Thoughts?

[cplav]

UPDATE - It moves! I finally got it to take a few laps around the yard. It is still kind of slow out of the gate though. I didn't have a lot of time to adjust but does it usually take time to break in the clutch to get it moving or is there still something that I need to adjust?

[4DMNYC]

The mach engines are super rich from the factory. Once you start leaning it out you'll see it come to life in a big way.

[hell cat]

check your brakes though mine were dragging out of the box

[plod]

Got my hands on a prototype muggy chassis on friday, and tried it out sunday at a race meet here in the u.k.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c391/plod38/I-RC-muggy-proto-compare2.jpg

This one was made out of a scrap piece of 6065-t6 for trial purposes, hence the finish, but the proper one will be in 7075-T6, so stroger and lighter.

It's currently 4mm thick and would probably be ideal for those using it as a basher, but some revisions are being made to it. I've sugggested to Innovative-rc he weakens the chassis between the bulkheeads and the brace mounts to allow some flex. Don't want to do anything around the spur/clutchbell area to assist in preventing clutch failure.

Just wondered on you guys thoughts, and suggestions.

[LD3Furious]

For the racers, is there any way to incorporate droop adjustment?

[plod]

Good point

[cplav]

Two questions -

What accessories or add-ons would you buy first for the Muggy?

Second question - I am having another small issue with tuning the engine. Now I can get it to start easily and I have tried to lean it out but I think I adjusted too much. Now it idles and starts to rev really high on its own, to the point where it actually starts to move on its own.
I tried to lower the low speed needle and the idle needle but it didn't seem to do anything. Any thoughts on what I am doing wrong?

Thanks

[tony101664]

can any one tell me what i should set the toe and camber at on my muggy with truggy tires on it now that i have rpm arms on it thanks

[TZapp]

what tires are you running? i would start at -1degree camber on both sides . the toe is usually good toed in a little i wouldnt toe it in any farther than the back tires.

Good Luck, TZAPP

[tony101664]

pro line crime fighters

[cplav]

Does anyone have particular diff fluid that they think is really good? I want to change out the goop for fluid.

[TZapp]

are you looking for help with a brand name or what weight fluid to put in witch diff?

[LD3Furious]

When I had my Mug, I used Mugen. Im pretty sure I ran 7/5/3.

[cplav]

Does anyone use a failsafe for their trucks? If so which one? I am looking to get some things for the truck and on a limited budget so I am just checking around.

I just bought some filter oil, afterrun oil and diff fluid, thanks for the advice. I think I am going to get the clutch/bell gear and the tires next but wanted to see what else might be best to get. Any recommendations?

[johnrwilson3]

I know that there are several aluminum shocks out there for the lst and the lst2, but are there any that are specifically for the muggy? also has has anyone used the lst or lst2 shocks on the muggy? I know they are about 10mm longer, how does this affect the muggy?

[plod]

These are the genuine ones for the muggy.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c391/plod38/100_0146.jpg

In hindsight, I might of been better buying these instead.

http://www.innovative-rc.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_33&products_id=150

[cplav]

These are the genuine ones for the muggy.

http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c391/plod38/100_0146.jpg

In hindsight, I might of been better buying these instead.

http://www.innovative-rc.com/product_info.php?cPath=21_33&products_id=150

I have thought about this before but never asked. Does anyone make diferrent shock towers different mounting holes?

[plod]

I have thought about this before but never asked. Does anyone make diferrent shock towers different mounting holes?

Suppose you could use the lst towers

I have asked innovative rc if it's worth adapting his lst shock mounting kit for the savage to suit the muggy, but unsure whether people would be interested in this, or just use the lst towers.

[johnrwilson3]

what are the pros/cons on using the lst shocks on the muggy?

[plod]

what are the pros/cons on using the lst shocks on the muggy?
Unsure on that one, but i've heard that the droop on the arms is greater than the travel of the muggy shocks, but comparible to the lst ones.

[freshcelica]

When I had my Mug, I used Mugen. Im pretty sure I ran 7/5/3.


They are 5F/7C/3R. Thats they way they still are man.

[freshcelica]

I know that there are several aluminum shocks out there for the lst and the lst2, but are there any that are specifically for the muggy? also has has anyone used the lst or lst2 shocks on the muggy? I know they are about 10mm longer, how does this affect the muggy?


I put the same shock bodies on as Plod and i like them alot and give the truck alil more travel. Looks good and i dont worry about busting the bodies like ive seen b4.

[freshcelica]

I have thought about this before but never asked. Does anyone make diferrent shock towers different mounting holes?

Ive seen others use the lst towers to get rid of the rub between the collar and stock tower. I want to try it but dont have the time lately.

[freshcelica]

I had one, as you can see if you've read the entire thread. I had a great time with mine, and would get another if/when I decide to look for a Truggy.Especially now that hop ups are coming out.


Im having a blast with it still. Added some of them hop-ups and it rips!!!

[freshcelica]

Is Losi doing anything about the chasis for current owners or people who buy a Muggy with an old chasis?

If I had to purchase a new stiffer chasis on my own which one do you recommend and how much is it?


You do not have to replace the stock chassis. It is fine for me. Works great. Plus, $80 for a new hard anodized one to fix something you'll never notice. Its a no for me.

[plod]

Is Losi doing anything about the chasis for current owners or people who buy a Muggy with an old chasis?

If I had to purchase a new stiffer chasis on my own which one do you recommend and how much is it?

The innovative-rc chassis is still in development. Thought that we were nearly there, but a couple of good ideas have come up, and are looking into incorporating into the design. Hopefully will be able to get a part to try out on it very soon, and have design finalised.

[TZapp]

flex had nothing to do with my clutch problem. i keep hearing people say "flex this, and flex that" all truggies have flex. the stock clutch shoes have a problem when trying to pull around a 11 pound truck with stock gearing. the Muggy is over geared out of the box. i put on the one piece engine mount in the beginning thinking chassis flex could be the issue. it wasnt. i went to the 12tooth clutch bell and the clutch issues where way better. then i put in the Dynamite shoes and some GRP truggy tires and no problems anymore. i now have 5 gallons on the same set of Dynamite shoes. i hope this doesnt offend, but i believe that flex has nothing to do with it.

Peace, TZAPP

[johnrwilson3]

what are the advantages of dual servo's vs one servo for steering? does the single servo have any advantages over the dual servo?

[LD3Furious]

IMO, there's little to no advantage for the consumer. I truly believe it is a both a martketing ploy and also an advantage to the manufacturers as it is probably less expensive for them to include two z590s than it would be to include one (for example) 9000T.

[johnrwilson3]

good to know! thanks.

[cplav]

How do you know if you burned out the clutch shoes?

I was at the track today for some practice laps, got the truck tuned quite well I might add, and ran out of gas. I went to go fill up and restart. When I tired to restart the tires were spinning everytime the roto starter spun. I have run about a half a gallon through the stock shoes. Is it time for the upgrade?

I know I needed to get them to make the truck run better but wasn't sure how to know if they were shot.

[plod]

If the wheels are spinning with the roto start then the clutch is in contact with the bell. You may get some more run time by deburring the shoes, which to be fair is something you should do with alloy clutches anyway on a regular basis, if you want to get the best out of them.

[dubdeuce]

Anyone interested in s very slightly used muggy with starter battery and unused dynamite maxlife clutch shoes email me at dubdeuce@mchsi.com thanks guys

$375.00 shipped engine not even broken in yet maybe 20 minutes of run time total.

[tripple]

I need some help on what you guys are running for shock oil in the muggy...???.Im going to be racing the muggy this weekend at the pro seriese at crc this week end.I still need to finish the break in,build the diff's so they work, mount up some buggy tires,finish painting up a body,and I will not be able to make it the track until saturday..witch will give me about 1 to 2 hr's to fine tune & learn the fast line before the first round of heat's...so some help would be great
thanks for your time
jamie...

[plod]

I'm running 30 front 35 rear with the silver springs.

[RespirologyRC]

the guys i race with like the stock shock oil, but are running the firmer yellow springs.

[tripple]

well i will be running the stock springs ...i would like to no if some one has a idea on shock oil for the stock springs
thanks

[cplav]

I run 30 weight on all four with stock springs and I think it works great. I adjusted the shocks with the screw downs (unofficial term) and the truck flies nice.

The only other things I would change out, which everyone advises, are the clutch bell (12t), clutch shoes (maxlife), diff oil from grease and go with smaller tires.

[rob_s]

Can this thing be competitive with truggies like the Ofna CRT and the Losi 8ight-T? What does it take to make it so?

[tripple]

thanks for the input
rob I will tell you this weekend how it dose...I think that it should do ok??
jamie..

[tripple]

its my 3rd time doing this style of paint job...I no have a long way to go but here we go...what temps are guys getting??
thanks
jamie..

[cplav]

Is that the stock body? I am trying to find a new body for racing that I can use but it isn't as easy as it sounds. Has anyone had any luck with one that fits well?

[tripple]

no thats theparma x-citer truck body for the mgt,lst..& fits the muggy as well
what temps are you guys getting with these motors??
jamie..

[cplav]

Sorry I don't have a temp gun yet. Sorry. I like the paint job though.

[LD3Furious]

When I had mine, I was running Byron's 30% Race with RB6 plugs =240ish

[plod]

Was speaking to rob @ Innovative -rc and he says chassis is not far off.

He bought a roller so he could get positioning of mayhem radio box right, and the new radio tray.

ALso he's looking at putting in provision for droop adjustment. :)

[cplav]

Tripple - how did the truck race last weekend?

[cplav]

Tripple - How did the truck run this weekend?

[cplav]

I lost some screws on the servo tray and checked the manual but I am having an issue. The manual lists the screw as A6260 but the parts list doesn't list the screws, its only in the diagram. Can anyone tell me what size these screws are so I can get some new ones?

Thanks

[metalry101]

Ahh...those are "motor mount screws" according to Losi. I can't remember off the top of my head...but they're either 6-32 or 5-40 I believe.

[cplav]

You are correct, the LOSI website lists them as mouter mount screws but they aren't. Really odd!

[metalry101]

You are correct, the LOSI website lists them as mouter mount screws but they aren't. Really odd!
They are motor mount screws...just not on the Muggy. They are on the XXX-NT I believe, though it still makes no sense that they'd call them that rather than just list their size.

[cplav]

I finally got in touch with someone at Losi and they told me that the correct item # is LOSA6240. The correct size is 5-40 x 1/2". I think that item # is still wrong but at least I know the size now.

[cplav]

I managed to chew up the spur gear this weekend at the track and need to replace it. The bearing blew out and caused the clutch bell to take a few teeth off of the spur.

With that said has anyone tried changing to a different spur gear - diff teeth count or manufacturer? I figure while I am in there I would ask.

Thanks

[plod]

I managed to chew up the spur gear this weekend at the track and need to replace it. The bearing blew out and caused the clutch bell to take a few teeth off of the spur.

With that said has anyone tried changing to a different spur gear - diff teeth count or manufacturer? I figure while I am in there I would ask.

Thanks

I'm running the 8ight 48t spur gear on my racer, and will be on my basher as well.
My original chassis required me to chamfer the spur gear hole internally and the underside of the centre diff top plate.

I had a lightning stadium 50t spur hanging around, but it required reworking to make fit, so went with the losi part in the end from sheer compatibility.

[metalry101]

The 48T gear for the 8ight is a popular mod since it helps lower the gear ratio a little more, but like plod said, you do have to clearance some stuff just a touch.

[RespirologyRC]

So Plod what's the story with the chassis??

[cplav]

I looked through the postings but couldn't seem to find what I was looking for. I want to go with smaller tires on the Muggy but can't seem to find a part number or options to use smaller hex adapters.

I think HPI makes one or can I just use stock 8ight-T Hex adapters?

Thanks

[metalry101]

I looked through the postings but couldn't seem to find what I was looking for. I want to go with smaller tires on the Muggy but can't seem to find a part number or options to use smaller hex adapters.

I think HPI makes one or can I just use stock 8ight-T Hex adapters?
Either should work fine. You might need to shim them a little bit to eliminate some play, but any 17mm hex off of another truggy or buggy should work fine since it runs the standard 8mm stub axle.

[plod]

Vehicles utilise 2.5mm pins or 3mm pins. The muggy uses the latter, so you require hex's off a vehicle that use the same type.

I originally used ofna 15mm extenders, that had a 2.5mm pin, and had my engineer brother machine them out to 3mm.

I've built a second muggy, and that has mbx5 hex's as that uses the right pin.
Although I had to buy some pins for it, which I got from the hpi range, and used some hellfire axle shims - hp z877.

[plod]

So Plod what's the story with the chassis??

I could lie, but honest answer is I'm struggling to get in contact with him, to find out why it's not ready yet. I know he was doing a crt chassis at the same time, along with new shock towers, all of which became available last week, so all I can think is he has been pretty tied up with that.

[plod]

I could lie, but honest answer is I'm struggling to get in contact with him, to find out why it's not ready yet. I know he was doing a crt chassis at the same time, along with new shock towers, all of which became available last week, so all I can think is he has been pretty tied up with that.

Got an e-mail back, and yes, he has been pretty tied up with the crt chassis.

However he has promised to work this weekend, and finalise the chassis.
Droop provision
New radio tray and mounting for sportwerks mayhem battery box.
Made in 7075 - T6

He then says he'll get one straight out to me to test, so should be in full pproduction in the next week or so.

[van1]

I was looking at a muggy and a lst. I would like to buy a muggy but I have found a lst at a reasonable price. Can anyone tell me which one has more suspension travel. What are the big diffenances with them both, does a muggy weigh about the same as a truggy? thanks

[plod]

The shocks on the lst are something around 7 or 9mm longer, can't remember which. Therefore they naturally have more travel.

Weight wise, the muggy is heavier than most truggies. General weight seems to be around 9lb, whereas the muggy comes in at about 11lb. You can of course lose some of this with maxx size rims, single servo conversion, carbon package, and titanium hinge pins and steeering turnbuckles etc, but it's still going to be at the heavy end.

Differences are mainly that the muggy has a flat pan chassis, single speed, and centre diff, whereas the lst has twin deck chassis, 2 speed, and no centre diff.

[metalry101]

The shocks on the lst are something around 7 or 9mm longer, can't remember which. Therefore they naturally have more travel.

Weight wise, the muggy is heavier than most truggies. General weight seems to be around 9lb, whereas the muggy comes in at about 11lb. You can of course lose some of this with maxx size rims, single servo conversion, carbon package, and titanium hinge pins and steeering turnbuckles etc, but it's still going to be at the heavy end.

Differences are mainly that the muggy has a flat pan chassis, single speed, and centre diff, whereas the lst has twin deck chassis, 2 speed, and no centre diff.
Ya...he pretty much covered everything. The muggy is considerably heavier than most truggies stock...but put standard truggy wheels and tires on it and you'll shave about a pound...do a few other things and you'll be pretty close.

The LST has more available suspension travel and more ground clearance, but the Muggy isn't exactly dragging its belly most places.

Which truck is better depends on what you're looking for. The Muggy is going to handle better, it's going to be easier to work on...and well...it's a truggy. Truggies are a hot for a reason. They're the man. That said, the LST is easily the best all-around monster truck on the market. If you want to buy it, beat it, and forget about it, the LST2 is the better bet. It doesn't HAVE to have any mods. Box stock will run like an absolute champ, whereas the Muggy really needs smaller tires and lower gearing to perform and last like it should. Personally...I'd put the chassis, carbon bits, and one-piece motor mount (it requires Dremel work w/ the stock motor) on the thing...but those items aren't nearly as important as fixing the gearing problem via a clutchbell and smaller tires. Anyways...they're both awesome trucks...I honestly don't think you could go wrong with either. The LST2 dominates its class...and if you consider basher truggy a seperate class from racer truggy, I'd say the Muggy dominates that class.

[van1]

How does a muggy perform next to a truggy? Are they close? As far as classes do the muggys get put in with truggys at races?

[van1]

After looking at some of the posts, I have found that most of the time muggys do get put in with the MT class....

[plod]

The muggy is a truggy, but would depend on turnout at your local track as to what class they decided to run you in.

I ran today against crt's, mbx5's and 8ight t's and came third. I did the same a few weeks back at a different track, and also came third that time, so they can be competitive.

[paulewog]

I just got my Muggy :). I plan on bashing it and racing. Does anyone make a wheel adaptor of any kind so I can use my 20mm rims on 17mm hubs?

[JHUBBS]

how many gears does the muggy have? i cant mine to shirft out of 1st gear if there even is a second gear?

[metalry101]

It's a single speed truck.