Legal NAMBA cell types [Archive]

BoatDoc

11-17-2006, 05:56 PM

we use sub-c cells. you can use smaller cells too, but sub-c is the norm. you can't go bigger than a sub-c. a lot of guys are using the IB4200's. you can get them at offshoreelectrics.com, cheapbatterypacks.com and battlepacks.com. there is the possibility of a rule change over the winter allowing lipo, but we'll have to wait and see.

SouthJersey-FE

11-17-2006, 07:13 PM

Great...thank you. I am going to hold off and keep my eye on the Namba website. Personaly I would rather not see lipos made legal. The cost is just out of controlle. If they are made legal I'd like to see a seprate class for them.

TSDavis

11-20-2006, 09:32 AM

A proposal allowing LiPo is on it's way through the system.

T.S.Davis
NAMBA FE Chairman

SouthJersey-FE

11-20-2006, 05:09 PM

Thanks for the update. I would hope lipo powered boats are in a seprate class. Not all of us can afford to run them in all of our boats. I hope that is taken into consideration.
Regards,
Tom Grayson
District 1

TSDavis

11-20-2006, 06:20 PM

Tom. Did we meet in Jersey at the NATS?

They'll be scored seperately so you don't have to ditch what your existing gear to keep having fun. I can't afford to start over either. This way it will take time for everyone to make the switch as LiPo gets cheaper.

T.S.Davis
NAMBA FE Chairman

BoatDoc

11-20-2006, 06:21 PM

we're all hoping for a different class structure. running a P-offshore boat with 12 cells vs. a 4S lipo offshore boat is just asking for a butt whooping. how do i know? i tried!!! my plans for next year call for a lipo mono, and possibly a lipo rigger (both 2S). it's going to hurt the pocket book to make the switch, but i've talked a lot with some of the guys who pioneered lipo, and raced with them too...they've turned me to the dark side, and i can't wait to get into that side of the action.

TSDavis

11-20-2006, 06:40 PM

Oh man! The Nimh T offshore boat I ran at the NATS was pretty silly fast. I took it to CAFE this fall and got lapped twice by some of the LiPo equivelant boats. They had about 8 mph on me with bigger more stable boats. YIKES! It was brutal to get whooped that hard.

T.S.Davis
NAMBA FE Chairman

BoatDoc

11-20-2006, 06:46 PM

i was running Drobie's no-step in P-offshore at CAFE, and "spanked" doesn't even begin to describe what those guys did to me! my 3rd round DQ didn't help my cause much either. but watching Paul's big cat was lot's of fun!! who would have thought that a 42" boat could run Q?

SouthJersey-FE

11-20-2006, 07:27 PM

[I][B] T.S.
We have not met as of yet. I am in the process of buying and building my first boats this winter. I spoke to Doug Twaits Sr Sunday. He brought me up to speed as to what the popular classes are here. I am going to attend his clubs next meeting with intent to join. I am faxing out my Namba membership this week. I am set up as far as chargers radio systems motors and esc's. I await my hulls form BBY and FDM. I hope to field an N-1 mono, P- off shore cat and a Limited Sport Hydro. Quite a bit of work ahead of me. Many late nights. Can't wait. You guys are a huge help and I’m great full for all the information.

BoatDoc

11-20-2006, 07:36 PM

ooooh yeah! another LSH boater! that has really become my favorite class. just hoping that it stays the way it is, and doesn't get switched to lipo for at least another year or two. it's a lot of fun, you get lots of water time, and it's a good challenge. there is always another way to make it a little faster. it's a good class to learn about props with, as a subtle prop change can make quite a change to the speed of the boat. i've improved my boat's time by about 25 seconds just by experimenting with props. what boat are you looking at running?

SouthJersey-FE

11-20-2006, 08:29 PM

Well since I am new to race class boats it's not an easy decision. I am considering a couple boats from BBY. The first one that caught my eye was the Volcanic Splash
1/16 Scale Hydro on 8 cells. The Light UL 125 looks very good also. I think having the N-1 mono and the LSH ready for the opening events will be my best bet. Then maybe have the cat ready for mid summer.The start up expense is quite taxing having not even made the battery selection yet. I must say in my almost 20 years of Radio Control I've never been this excited. I have a feeling boats are here to stay for me. The community is very different from car and truck racing. Lots of guys willing to help in any way they can.

BoatDoc

11-20-2006, 09:13 PM

just a note...a volcanic splash on 8 cells will not be legal for LSH. you need 12 cells and a 700 motor. i like the H&M Viper, but the aussie shovel and dark horse shovel are excellent as well. there are other options too. the dark horse is hard to come by these days, as i'm not sure if they are still being made, and i don't know where to get the aussie. if you're not sure about cells for LSH, go for the IB4200's available from offshoreelectrics.com. good cells.

SouthJersey-FE

11-20-2006, 09:26 PM

Thanks for the correction. I went back to my notes and double checked after that post. I received my 700sc, motor mount, rc-hydros esc and props from Steve this afternoon. I would like to run a pickle fork style hydro. I'm not to fond of the shovels. I would like to find the most stable hull I can. Stable hydro....contradiction in terms?..lol. Where can I get a peek at the H&M viper?

SouthJersey-FE

11-20-2006, 10:04 PM

I found the Viper @ FDM. I've found my hydro. All I have left now is to settle on a mono.

BoatDoc

11-20-2006, 10:10 PM

if you're willing to build a wooden kit for N1, check out the el lobo from Climate models (www.welasercut.com). i'll be running a fiberglass version in N1 next year. it was my N2 boat, but is too small for the amount of power we have available now. there is also the force21 from FDM and oval master 21 from BBY. i have an Oval master, but think the el lobo would whoop it.

SouthJersey-FE

11-20-2006, 10:26 PM

I'm 99% sure that the 21 carbon fiber oval master is going to be the one. I am not looking for all out speed. I am more of a Patient driver. I tend to rely on consistency. I would rather set up a stable boat thats with in a second or two of the field.Then just hold my line and wait for others to make mistakes or break. Speed will come with experience. Well I hope so anyway. My goal this season is to just have fun and finish every race I start. Thats it.

BoatDoc

11-20-2006, 10:37 PM

i'll have to figure out N1 a bit too. here in the midwest we run a class called "19turn Spec" instead of N1. it's not an official NAMBA class, but we like it better than the 27 turn motors. however, if i plan on going to any of the races outside of the midwest, i'll need to have the 27t setup.

TSDavis

11-20-2006, 10:37 PM

Boatdock? Now I recognize the handle. We sat across from each other at dinner in Ohio. Duhhhh. Applebees I think it was.

Tom, you can't go wrong with those guys in Jersey. They've fogotten more than I'll ever learn about racing.

The Viper is a good hull and currently holds the national NAMBA title for N2 Sport hydro (that was me), LSH (Lenny I think), then I also took second with the Viper in O Sport hydro. Missed it by one bouy cut. Dang it! You just need differnt motors for each class to be competitive.

The electrified can be had through RCBM in plan form. Makes a killer N1 boat too. The Jersey gang has been running N1 forever. It's a great class when the locals support it. Those guys do exactly that. We're making a run at N2 sport here in MI this spring.

BoatDoc

11-20-2006, 10:49 PM

yup, that's me! i have to agree on the electrified. rex has one that seems to be a pretty good runner.

SouthJersey-FE

11-20-2006, 11:00 PM

I would really like to see a 19 turn spec class out here.The LSH will be my only hydro class this year do start up costs. After cells & props for both boats(+finishing the cat this summer) I will have expended my budget. Doug was hot on the scale hydro class. They want to run the against the nitro guys this season. From what he tells me speeds are about on the line. I informed him that 1300 to 1600 on a boat just is not in the cards right now. But down the road you betcha. I am lucky to keep meeting people that really know there stuff. Thank god because basic RC knolage dont get you that far.

BoatDoc

11-20-2006, 11:03 PM

boats just seem to get more complicated than anything else, these forums have been a help to a lot of people. just keep bringing the questions, and the answers are never too far away.

TSDavis

11-20-2006, 11:14 PM

Tom,

Keep an eye on Costanza and Doug Jr. Two of the fastest guys on the planet. No joke. I envy you. I wish I had that hotbed of knowledge to tap into.

One of our club members brought out his 1/8 scale for the NATS and set a record with it. SWEET!!! The scale chairman was the contest director. He figured the FE 1/8 scales are pretty close to on par with what he sees all the time.

T.S.Davis
NAMBA FE Chairman

BoatDoc

11-20-2006, 11:21 PM

those FE 1/8 scale boats are AWESOME!!!!!!!!!!! just to see them made the trip to Cleveland worth it.

SouthJersey-FE

11-21-2006, 12:53 AM

The local hobby shop has 2 1/8th hydros just sitting up on the shelf( have been for years). Dave the owner is moving out of state soon. I am going to make a play for both. I'm thinkin if i get both cheap I'll gut the better of them sell of the engine. Sell the second boat out right. Then have the capitol to turn the remaing hull into an FE. Allways have to work an angle......lol.I am pullin this stuff off all the time. :) If i can swing this deal I will post the second boat on here with a link to my ebay account. I will keep you guys posted.
Thanks,
Tom G

Rex R

11-21-2006, 02:23 AM

my .02, if you build an N1/19t boat... two things you need to get right 1) the transom MUST be perpendicular to the keel(left/right, up/down isn't as critical) and 2) proper location of the stuffing tube. those two items can make or break one of those 'low power' boats(only took me 1/2 the season to figure that out :)) it also helps if you can get the boat to track straight with rudder neutral. the electrified can benefit from a larger turn fin too.

TSDavis

11-21-2006, 09:11 AM

Gas powered 1/8 scales tend to be heavy construction. That can be okay if your going to put some brute strength in there. Think Lehner 3060/9 turn or so. 8s or 10s LiPo power. Then a giant speedo. 1/8 scales are not a cheap deal but the cool factor is just huge. There are at least three in your area that I'm aware of. All three of them are in that Morris County club. They all run Lehner 2280 motors (pretty sure) but are lighter so the smaller motors work. It's a balancing act. Power to weight. Ask around and check out their boats before you start dropping coin. The big Plett 370/A1s works well but it's an amp hog and again it really needs LiPo power to work well. If you have a light setup you can get away with even less motor. There are a number of Neu motors that will get you into the 50's too. Not many have played with the Neu's in 1/8 yet.

BTW I get nervous just pitting for these guys in 1/8 scale. So fast. So pretty. The sound like the real thing going by. I just want to watch them. I forget I'm supposed to be helping the driver I'm pitting for.

SouthJersey-FE

11-21-2006, 08:27 PM

Yes they are quite a sight. After further consideration I'm wisely going to put the 1/8th stuff on hold. It's a bit much for a newb. I have a full plate with the 3 boats In development now. I reread the hydro set up article in rcbm today. Seems to cover all the bases. I hope it goes as smoothly as it was written. After further reseaarch I’m really digging the LSH class. :)

TSDavis

11-22-2006, 07:09 AM

There's a lot of info out there on the Viper. Plus Fine can help you get close on the first shot. I think there are some setup shots on his site somewhere too.

SouthJersey-FE

11-22-2006, 04:27 PM

Yes Chris has the complete set up pictured on the site. I am unsure of the hardware package I want to use. FDMs package looks solid but fullers hydro set up is one peice. Of course I can save 40 bucks going with the FDM setup. I need to do dome more research on the fuller setup.

BoatDoc

11-22-2006, 09:20 PM

fuller's and FDM hardware is almost identical (in most cases). send them each an e-mail and see what's included in each one.

Pagemaster

11-23-2006, 12:15 AM

A proposal allowing LiPo is on it's way through the system.

T.S.Davis
NAMBA FE Chairman I received my prop wash last month. When will the next one be out so we can vote on it?

Steven

SouthJersey-FE

11-23-2006, 01:08 AM

I received my prop wash last month. When will the next one be out so we can vote on it?

Steven
The members vote on rule changes? Or do the district managers alone vote? I am sure that the governing body realizes the need for prompt action on this matter. The affect of a last minute decision on venders like Steven and Randy will trickle down to us the consumers. Sure we can buy these cells any where. I for one want to do my business with the guys who support our sport. Not some one from over seas who cares less about what happens after the funds are transferred.