Trinity N80

[cfjan]

Anyone got one of these? I got one yesterday.. figured that you guys would be interested in some first impression..

The soldering job was poorly done.. :mad:

That wire is almost falling off..

[cfjan]

I reversed the direction of the wires when I re-solder them..

I opened up the motor to see how's the overall craftsman ship.. it is alright.. certainly not great.. but I guess this is not exactly a high-end motor..

[Marv829]

Did the motor come with a spec sheet by chance? I emailed them twice and got no response.

[cfjan]

Did the motor come with a spec sheet by chance? I emailed them twice and got no response.


No, nothing comes w/ it.. which is very disappointing.. and I will talk some more about their customer service later..

[cfjan]

I wish it comes w/ the proper banana plugs.. it comes w/ bullet plugs which for now, I just plugged into the Mamba Max ESC.. but it is definitely not secured.. I will change it out the plug soon..

It should have comes w/ these..

[cfjan]

Installed in my Tamiya Dark Impact..

You will see why I reverse the wire direction... as there's not much clearance w/ the chassis..

Right, I should remove the LRP sticker, eh?! ha! I had a Sphere / Neo 1-Star combo in it awhile ago.. :D

[cfjan]

I ran the car with a fairly conservative gearing.. (same gearing I used w/ my Sphere / Neo 1-Star) and heat was not a problem.. but then, it must have been like 30 degree outside last night.. so that's probably not a good indication anyway..

MM ESC usually heats up (when I run my 7700kv in my touring car) so it gets a little warm after my run (although, the run was rather short.. since it was so cold..) I might put a fan on top of it just in case..

It was quite fast.. although I have never had a Mamba in the Dark Impact before.. it was faster than my Neo Sphere combo. And I have yet to experiment w/ taller gearing.. I know people run 25T pinion w/ the MM 5700kv in the Dark Impact (82T spur) but then I am not sure what's the rating on the N80.. (how many kv, etc.)

So the conclusion is that, the motor itself is fine.. I am sure Trinity spec out a decent motor.. however, the care into the motor (the soldering, etc.) just seems not quite there.. (quality control?)

Also, I e-mailed Trinity regarding what kind of plugs it comes with, and they never responded to me.. (or I'd have ordered those banana when I ordered the motor..) CC usually gets back to its customer within a day or two..

So I will keep the motor as it is really pointless to waste the effort to return something (not like I can return it now, I re-solder the tab..) that's only $80.. (shipping, time, etc.) And like I said, the motor seems to perform fine.. but I will probably stay away from Trinity in the future simply because the customer service and the lack of quality control..

[Marv829]

....but I will probably stay away from Trinity in the future simply because the customer service and the lack of quality control..

Yeah that was my thought to. Won't even reply to a simple email, even if they would have replied that they had no specs yet would of sufficed. No response equals no business from me.

Thanks for posting though, that's far more info then any of us got from Trinity!

[cfjan]

Yeah, I got 0 respond from them.. that's not a good sign.. :D

It is a fine motor, I am sure.. I read good review on RC magazines... BUT, so are motors from other brands.. so I'd just stick w/ brands that have better customer service..

I bought the N80 mainly because I want to try out something new.. I have the LRP, the Mamba Max (x2), and now the Trinity.. so I might look into other brands later... ha!

[TunaCan Charlie]

Anyone out there handling customer service for any company, TAKE NOTE!!!

Because I read this thread about Trinity's workmanship and lack of response, I will not buy a Trinity brushless, or brushed for that matter. As long as there are other options, why would I?

If you are in customer service, stay on the ball man!! You never know how the future of your company will be affected by negative feedback.

Thanks CFJAN!

[cfjan]

Yeah, good point.. there's so many options out there.. Castle Creations and LRP both will get back to their customers within a day or two...

Like I said, I am experienced enough w/ RC that I can deal with the minor issues (like re-solder the wires, etc.) but people should be able to expect things to come out working straight from the factory..

The soldering jobs on LRP or Novak are always perfect..

[mugenX5]

In the first post, is that the factory soldering job?

[Demon-TC3]

That is THE WORST solder job i have ever seen from stock..i mean you shouldnt even sell that in that state!!!!!

As for trinity, yea they are pathetic...the cars are crap (quality wise), the parts support SUCK (again for cars) and their customer service seem to have better things to do than the job they are paid for...so yea they do suck out loud on the whole...(had two of their cars from new and sold them both within 2 months)

THAT SAID....the brushed motors they sell (Monster, CO27 etc...) i have always found to be excellent quality and perform wonderfully every time...
but then again i doubt trinity make any of this stuff...they just badghe it and sell it...

Still if it was up to me i wouldnt buy anything from them other than the motors because they just dont take care of their customers!

[cfjan]

YES.. that's why I wasn't impressed....


In the first post, is that the factory soldering job?

[cfjan]

LOL, I agree... also agree w/ you when it comes to motor performance.. it seems to work fine.. but like you said, most likely someone built the motors for them, so... :)


That is THE WORST solder job i have ever seen from stock..i mean you shouldnt even sell that in that state!!!!!

As for trinity, yea they are pathetic...the cars are crap (quality wise), the parts support SUCK (again for cars) and their customer service seem to have better things to do than the job they are paid for...so yea they do suck out loud on the whole...(had two of their cars from new and sold them both within 2 months)

THAT SAID....the brushed motors they sell (Monster, CO27 etc...) i have always found to be excellent quality and perform wonderfully every time...
but then again i doubt trinity make any of this stuff...they just badghe it and sell it...

Still if it was up to me i wouldnt buy anything from them other than the motors because they just dont take care of their customers!

[Demon-TC3]

sucks doenst it...we have to pay extra for a motor trinity didnt even make whereas the poor suckers making the damn motors for next to nothing with actually a surprising good quality get nothing while trinity dont do **** and get the cash...where is the fairness?

Trinity have done it before, the Nitro Spyder...no triniy didnt make it...Jamara did (or Flying point did) but they badjed it...raised price about 250% and sold it with NO parts support...

[cfjan]

Oh well.. at least the motor works okay.. so like I said, no point of returning a $80 product (bought it from Tower, with coupon, so it is probably only like $65 if you pro-rate the coupon).. no point of wasting the energy / time / shipping cost / etc.

But yeah, will most likely stay away from Trinity when I shop for my next motor.. ha!

I might try the new Tekin 1/10th scale BL motor..

[ElectricThunder]

I would like to clarify that I believe the brushless motors are most likely outsourced and made in China (hence, poor quality control). Poor customer service is inexcusable though! :mad:

It looks "ok" like you said though. I'd rather spend some more money and get something like a lehner basic 5300 or cyclon 5000 though rather than a trinity or feigao.

I'd be interested to see what Tekin has up their sleeves.:)

[cfjan]

Outsourcing really isn't an excuse for poor quality control, though..

You can argue that the motor is made here, made there, by some little kids in some sweatshop, but they (Trinity) need to inspect them if they are going to put their name on the motors..

Just like BMW has a plant in China.. doesn't mean that BMW would just start selling 5-series w/ wires un-soldered, etc. :D

Yeah, I might pre-order a Tekin to see what they got...

Do you know where would be a good place to buy Lehner online for a good price?

[ElectricThunder]

Outsourcing really isn't an excuse for poor quality control, though..

You can argue that the motor is made here, made there, by some little kids in some sweatshop, but they (Trinity) need to inspect them if they are going to put their name on the motors..

Just like BMW has a plant in China.. doesn't mean that BMW would just start selling 5-series w/ wires un-soldered, etc. :D

Yeah, I might pre-order a Tekin to see what they got...

Do you know where would be a good place to buy Lehner online for a good price?
I know it's no excuse, but that could be the reason why trinity is slipping. They didn't want brushless in the first place too...(sabotaging their own brushless line perhaps? :eek: lol!) Although I would say BMW at least has it more "together" than Trinity...hehe.

I think RC-monster.com sells lehners for a pretty good price. Good place to buy from; bought my Rusty's steel/aluminum diff from there and had no problems. They have some forums over there too with a plethora of information too!

[tcolesen]

And I have yet to experiment w/ taller gearing.. I know people run 25T pinion w/ the MM 5700kv in the Dark Impact (82T spur) but then I am not sure what's the rating on the N80.. (how many kv, etc.)

25/82 with a 5700?!? I run mine in my DI with 2s Lipo geared 20/81 (48p gears), and the ESC runs at about 130, and the motor is somewhere in that range with a fan over it. 25/82 seems quite high, unless the batteries really make that big of a difference (I wouldn't know, I don't run NiMh).

[Demon-TC3]

i noticed someone mentioned Feigao motors, are they also buils with such low quality or are they better motors? as far as i know they are better since Feigao actually has them custom produced rather than just rebadged. that said they are similar to the Hackers aint they?


as for the quality of Chinese products, they are not actually BAD...the chinese are able to mass produce FAR more efficiently than any other country in the world and produce somewhere in the reigons of 80% (i think) of the worlds consumables (not food consumables but produce)...thats because they are an industrial country and they have large businesses devoted to nothing but production. now if you are producing thousands of items per day its an AWFUL lot more expensive to inspect each and every last one to the core...so the quality control isnt as good...thats not to say the thing itself is crap.
However as someone rightly said, the item sould be made cheap BUT then inspected THEN have the price raised...trinity get those motors for about 15$ a peice...not even joking, its not hard to wrap wires inside a can when your making thousands every single day. BUT since trinity is flogging them for more than 500% of what they buy them they should at least have the descency to check what theyare buying and selling!

[Jayboy]

hey, cfjan...
what tyres are on your DI. Are they the dirt hawgs?

[ElectricThunder]

i noticed someone mentioned Feigao motors, are they also buils with such low quality or are they better motors? as far as i know they are better since Feigao actually has them custom produced rather than just rebadged. that said they are similar to the Hackers aint they?
Think of them as Chinese Hacker clones I guess.:D I personally wouldn't want one because I don't think they're all that efficient compared to a lehner or other more expensive motors (makes sense), and being that I live in Florida, higher efficiency usually means cooler operating temperatures; something I strive for (which means I'm going to need to ditch the 5700 eventually)...:) I also want a 4 pole motor or small yet powerful 2 pole motor (which the cyclon 5000 motor is 4 poles and decently short; it looks like something new to try).

I think the N40 and N60 motors are made by feigao too (SpEEdyBL noted they looked quite similar to 380C feigaos..;)).

[cfjan]

Yeah, I have seen a few people running that combo without problem... who knows... Anyway, I might just stick w/ the 23T pinion..

It is really too fast for off-road already anyway.. I was running those Dirt Hawgs (semi on-road tires.. see pics above) on-road and it was fast on-road..



25/82 with a 5700?!? I run mine in my DI with 2s Lipo geared 20/81 (48p gears), and the ESC runs at about 130, and the motor is somewhere in that range with a fan over it. 25/82 seems quite high, unless the batteries really make that big of a difference (I wouldn't know, I don't run NiMh).

[cfjan]

YES..


hey, cfjan...
what tyres are on your DI. Are they the dirt hawgs?

[cfjan]

LOL, sabotaging their own products, eh?! :D

I will check out RC-Monster.com Thanks!




I know it's no excuse, but that could be the reason why trinity is slipping. They didn't want brushless in the first place too...(sabotaging their own brushless line perhaps? :eek: lol!) Although I would say BMW at least has it more "together" than Trinity...hehe.

I think RC-monster.com sells lehners for a pretty good price. Good place to buy from; bought my Rusty's steel/aluminum diff from there and had no problems. They have some forums over there too with a plethora of information too!

[vashon10]

I thought it was just me they wouldn't reply to, but looks like it must be part of Trinity's business model to ignore questions. LOL.

[cfjan]

Yeah, terrible, isn't it?! :D

[ElectricThunder]

Are they really THAT bad? I'm surprised; you'd think a major motor manufacturer would have their act together... :huh:

(Anyone want a P-94 12x2??:p)

[cfjan]

I still have NOT heard back from them... this is AFTER I have bought the motor... ha!!

[ElectricThunder]

I still have NOT heard back from them... this is AFTER I have bought the motor... ha!!
That totally blows. I'm glad I never had a problem with the motors I bought when I ran brushed stuff...whew! I'm still thinking it's a sabotage conspiracy...:D:D:D:D:D :p

[NORTEX-T1FK]

Where can I get some of those banana plugs. I searchd the site but didnt come up with where to buy them.

[cfjan]

I ended up getting mine from Tower.. they are like $3 a set, very reasonable..

[cfjan]

Here's how the motor should have came from Trinity, with the 4mm gold banana plugs..

I think my soldering job was much better than Trinity's, LOL!! :D

[cfjan]

End result.. :cool:

[ElectricThunder]

Looks better. Have you gotten a chance to run it yet, and if so, how hot does it get?

[cfjan]

Yeah, I ran it a few times.. no idea how hot it got.. probably not a good time to test the temperature anyway given that it has been VERY COLD here lately, ha!! So probably not a good indication... :D

[ElectricThunder]

Yeah, I ran it a few times.. no idea how hot it got.. probably not a good time to test the temperature anyway given that it has been VERY COLD here lately, ha!! So probably not a good indication... :D
Yeah...I'm at a disadvantage here in Florida (although today, I swear, the temperature went from around 75 this morning to about 65-60 in a few hours, and right now it's "cold" and windy outside. If it wasn't raining, this would be awesome RC weather for my mamba...:D

[cfjan]

Yeah, when I was running outside, it must have been like 10 degree F (ice and snow on the ground) so heat was not really a problem...

Problem was more like breaking parts due to such a low temperature, plastic becomes very brittle..

[ElectricThunder]

Yeah, when I was running outside, it must have been like 10 degree F (ice and snow on the ground) so heat was not really a problem...

Problem was more like breaking parts due to such a low temperature, plastic becomes very brittle..
I'm lucky enough to not have ever had to deal with that problem...:D I still end up breaking parts anyways though. Go figure. :cool:

[serpent17]

I wish it comes w/ the proper banana plugs.. it comes w/ bullet plugs which for now, I just plugged into the Mamba Max ESC.. but it is definitely not secured.. I will change it out the plug soon..

It should have comes w/ these..
HEY, HOWS IT GOING GUYS!! well i wanna get this TRINITY N60 or witch ever will work bl motor but i have a very good mamba max esc its a 5700KV unit .. also im aware of the certin amount of turns the esc is (witch is 9turn?? i think) WITCH ONE WILL WORK FINE FOR THE ALPICATION IM GOING TO USE IT FOR!!?? ITS GOING IN A TC3

THNX FOR ANYONE WHO ANSWERS ME!!

[serpent17]

is this a strong motor?? ive bought the mamba max 5700kv system and it took a total crap(motor) will this solf my bl problem... im useing a brush mod with the mamba max esc and its not cutting it for meeee...:(:o:):confused::confused::confused::confu sed::confused:

[GSMnow]

I run a Mamba Max 5700 in my Losi XXX-T and it rocks. When you say it died, what did it do? Did it get way too hot to touch and just stop? Smoke come out? Lose torque? It is HARD to kill a Mamba Max 5700 unless you over geared it and over heated it to an extreme temp. I have had mine well over 200F and it still pulls wheelies. If it has no start torque and bucks bad, my guess it the crap bullet connectors that Castle supplies. Direct solder the wires together, or switch to better connectors. I use 1.5 Deans Ultra Plugs. One for the red and black wires so I can just blug in my brush motor, and then a single pin from another one for the white wire. hat totally eliminated my start up issues and certainly increase the top end torque.

And if you read back through this thread, you will see quite a few comments on Trinity customer service. I have no first hane experience with their motors so I can't say if it is any good or not, but after reading this thread, I think I will steer clear.

[DrKnow65]

Serpent, you should do a bit of reading around the forum... if the MM/5700kv isn't going faster than you can keep on four wheels, I'm thinking you propably are not using good enough batteries.

If you run NIMH, you'll need something in the 3600-4200 mah range. People seem to be happy with the IB4200's and EP4200's.

If you run lipo you'll want decent (10C-3000mah minimum) batteries. People seem to be happy with the maxamps, flightpower, and truerc packs (400mah+).

If you have good batteries and poor performance, you may have a connector or wiring problem. Check for heat at the connections after a hard run.

p.s. you can keep the ALL CAPITALS thing to a minimum too, we read the posts. Did you read this thread entirely before posting the question? Seems the concensus is that the motor was decent but the customer service sucks, propably not the best thing for a beginner...

Mabey you want to post a bit of your setup too, i.e. >Tamiya Dark Impact-Mamba Max esc-5700KV motor- IB4200 NIMH 6cell- 23/84 gears<

Search for awnsers first, then ask questions.

[DrKnow65]

GSMnow you type with more than two fingers??? That was quick :)

[porra]

I'm using the N80 in my TC3 with 11.1 volts and it is a solid set up. I had the Lehner 5300 before, but this motor seems much faster and has more power. I love my Lehners and it is amazing that this motor performs better. The one I had previous was the Plettenberg Extreme and the N80 is almost as good. Try is with a good 11.1V lipo (Even the low mAh lipos will do. I use KongPower 2500mAh.) and you will see the motors potential.

[chilledoutuk]

I'm using the N80 in my TC3 with 11.1 volts and it is a solid set up. I had the Lehner 5300 before, but this motor seems much faster and has more power. I love my Lehners and it is amazing that this motor performs better. The one I had previous was the Plettenberg Extreme and the N80 is almost as good. Try is with a good 11.1V lipo (Even the low mAh lipos will do. I use KongPower 2500mAh.) and you will see the motors potential.

Do you know what the kv for the trinity N80 motor i was of the understanding that they would be too high to run 11.1v without risk of over speeding the rotor.

Also how hot does the N80 get after a good session of bashing.

[porra]

Do you know what the kv for the trinity N80 motor i was of the understanding that they would be too high to run 11.1v without risk of over speeding the rotor.

Also how hot does the N80 get after a good session of bashing.

The most I went on the 2500mAh pack was 20 minutes and nothing was too hot. Everything was nice and warm. I think they made the N80 for 4WD off-road and/or trucks. It has a lot of power, but my Plettenberg Extreme which is only 4600Kv was faster on 11.1V. My spur is 89T and my pinion is 18T and it is fast. You will have a blast doing laps on the nitro guys.

[wmartinlsmith]

as for reading this post, I will not be buying the trinity motor I was just looking at on ebay. thank you for the review, and letting us know that trinity customer service is horrid.. any suggestions as far as what type of motor to get? i won a mamba max esc and want to go BL in my tc3? would a reedy motor (sensored, i think) work with a M.max?? just a question.. or should i search some moar?? LOL

[ElectricThunder]

They'll work just fine (especially now). It'd be wise to update the firmware though so that the ESC can drive the sensored motor much better (much smoother with the new firmware).

[cfjan]

Here's a couple of video of my N80 powered Tamiya Blitzer Beetle (restoration project) running around w/ 6-cells 4200mAh NiMH.. pretty quick, eh?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBFPTz64dhY

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h0EX6e12sow

[chilledoutuk]

is that using the new firmware?

[porra]

I was told by a member at another forum that the Kv of the N80 is 7800. Here are 2 videos I made of my TC3 with a new BL ESC I'm testing and the N80: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_2uIjw_ct08, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZaquBD-lr6E

[Mister-T]

Truck Number 3 running Mamba max + trinity N80. At local race
Video made 2 days ago and still running software 1.09 !

The setup
http://capelle.freebox.free.fr/MCCD-03-02-2008/CIMG1073.JPG

EDIT
Movie removed, I uploaded the 4*4 mod race :/ instead of the truck one ...

[cfjan]

is that using the new firmware?


Correct, 1.17, the latest!