Why?

[Vato Loco]

Why are People who run brushless are treaded like Out Laws? I noticed a rash of racism with Brushed towards brushless people! Do we need Rev. Sharpton or Jackson to fight for Brushless rights?LOL's :wave:

[tcolesen]

I'll bet many of the hardcore racers who run brushed only are angry that they have so much equipment for maintaining their motors, while us brushless users don't have (or need) any :).

[ljohnson]

They are also scared of you having more power and runtime without mastering the arcane art of brushed motor tuning - switching would make them all noob tuners again and people really hate that sort of thing.

[Stuart B]

hehe

I nearly replied to the chap askong about the comm lathe that for the price of a lathe he could go brushless....but thought that it might not be appropriate or annoy him hehe...so I didn't.

Can't wait for my MM to turn up :).

Stu

[Maxx42]

Some racers I know feel that motor maintenance and tuning are an essential part of the sport. They feel that it is just as important as setting up and tuning your suspension or even as important as driving skill. They feel that brushless motors cheapen rc racing and take away a whole area of the competition. As I can understand their side of the argument, I'll take a brushless setup over the whole maintenance and tuning of a brushed system any day.

[Vato Loco]

I don't under stand their resistance? Brushless is what is going to be the norm! Resistance is futile, Brush will make way for brushless! I love my MM5700 and A while back I thought my SS5800 was something! I can't wait for a warp coil and dylithium crystals, "Scotty we need warp drive back up before the next turn or we're all dead!"........."I capt. the crystal has a crack as big as you butt from that last wreck, what do you want from me? pull a new crystal out of spocks a___!"

[jedipirate]

lmfao!

[ElectricThunder]

I don't under stand their resistance? Brushless is what is going to be the norm! Resistance is futile, Brush will make way for brushless! I love my MM5700 and A while back I thought my SS5800 was something! I can't wait for a warp coil and dylithium crystals, "Scotty we need warp drive back up before the next turn or we're all dead!"........."I capt. the crystal has a crack as big as you butt from that last wreck, what do you want from me? pull a new crystal out of spocks a___!"
Oh yeah.... :cool:

[one85_db]

I always thought those vulcans had strong stomachs, but i never thought...

Anyway i'll never go back to brushed motors!

[tcolesen]

Personally, I prefer perfecting my driving instead of perfecting the condition of a motor's comm/brushes :). Brushless isn't taking away from the "sport," it's adding to it by letting us drive more and get better at driving instead of sitting in the pits for so long.

[Maxx42]

Personally, I prefer perfecting my driving instead of perfecting the condition of a motor's comm/brushes :). Brushless isn't taking away from the "sport," it's adding to it by letting us drive more and get better at driving instead of sitting in the pits for so long.

I totally agree with you on that. I would rather spend more time on the track driving instead of cutting comms and replacing springs and brushes - not to mention the longer races you can have with brushless motors with such an increase in efficiency.

[cooleocool]

I like both BL and brushed motors myself. The speed and reliability is nice, but I also like doing the tuning and such. I suppose having a motor lathe helps though...

[Ghostface Buggy]

Yes, Jesse Jackson and Al Sharpton might have to step in and fix this problem. Here's something I saw at the track last month:

This one guy races stock truck with a Novak 13.5. His truck runs just as fast as the trucks with CO27's and IB4200's. The owner of the track is OK with it and almost all of the racers are OK with it except the ones who are never OK with anything.

I was watching one of the strock truck races and this kid's mom was talking major smack about the brushless guy and other drivers who she suspected of using brushless even though they were running straight up stock. I turned to her and said "Those guys are running stock and that guy is running stock brushless". I shouldn't have said anything because she want off on a tirade asking how can brushless be stock, insulting this guy, and even questioning his manhood.

She told the owner that this guy had an unfair advantage because he had enough money to run brushless. We all had a laugh at that one because most of the people who went brushless did so because we can't afford to maintain brushed motors for competitive racing!

PS. I spent 3 hours yesterday cutting comms for my nephew's stock sedan. I definitely don't miss it!

[RrR]

How much does a cheep 540 size BL motor cost?

[pauster]

for example

http://www.rc-monster.com/proddetail.php?prod=feigao5407xl&cat=20

$85

[glassdoctor]

or this for a 1/10 car

http://www.rc-monster.com/proddetail.php?prod=feigao5408L&cat=20

$70 :)

Reminds me... anyone know if the Trinity motors are out yet? They would actually be a nice option if the price is in line with these Feigaos. They have solder tabs and are ROAR legal, allegedly.

[RrR]

for example

http://www.rc-monster.com/proddetail.php?prod=feigao5407xl&cat=20

$85 How many brushed can motors can you get for that price? But anyway if you are a racer BL is great but us bashers will stick with brushed intill the aboved price is about a 1/4.

[TunaCan Charlie]

^^^Don't speak for all of the bashers out there...^^^

I own a Novak 5.5R/ GTB system and a Mamba Max 7700 system that will most likely never see a real race.

Just havin' a LOT of fun!!

[Stuart B]

How many brushed can motors can you get for that price? But anyway if you are a racer BL is great but us bashers will stick with brushed intill the aboved price is about a 1/4.

Nor me...I have a Mamba Max on the way hehe.

Brushless makes more sense for bashers if you ask me. Less motor maintainance....although it could be argued the power is harder on the rest of the car.

Stu

[TunaCan Charlie]

Nor me...I have a Mamba Max on the way hehe.

Brushless makes more sense for bashers if you ask me. Less motor maintainance....although it could be argued the power is harder on the rest of the car.

Stu


More power = more gooder!

[Stuart B]

More power = more gooder!

Thats what I'm hoping :) The more gooder the betterer

Stu

[ygguB naM]

Some people can't move on just like the old guy that still listens to vinal records.

[glassdoctor]

You callin me old? lol

I just tossed my record player recently... but had not used it for like 15 years. :)

[ElectricThunder]

You callin me old? lol

I just tossed my record player recently... but had not used it for like 15 years. :)
To answer your first question...yes.

In rebuttle to your second statement... no way my dad's getting rid of all his original hendrix, zepplin, beatles, etc. albums.;) :p

[pauster]

How much does a cheep 540 size BL motor cost?

If you think a BL motor is expensive look at the brushless ESC that you need for them and start at around $130 for a decent one

[glassdoctor]

If you think a BL motor is expensive look at the brushless ESC that you need for them and start at around $130 for a decent one

About like brushed escs too, huh? Most escs that are rated for hot modifieds start at $100+ Only the "sport" stuff is less.

Yes, BL escs do cost more in general (some are $400+) but they "do" a lot more as well... even the $135 ones ;)

[Vato Loco]

I like the computer link, that's a real cool feature! some Of those brushed guy's think we can only run in a streight line and can't turn? My mamba can drive as slow as theirs and turn too but when I hit that back streight......Look OUT! "Capt. I'm givin her all she got!"

[Ghostface Buggy]

If you think a BL motor is expensive look at the brushless ESC that you need for them and start at around $130 for a decent one

I got my brushless esc/motor combo for $239 so it was only $20 - $30 more than buying a modified brushed motor and a good esc.

A brushed motor can usually be rebuilt 4 times. If you race or just want to get the most power out of your motor, you'll need to cut the comm and possibly replace the brushes and springs every 5 runs or so. That means that your motor is for all intents and purposes toast after you run it 25 - 30 times. With my brushless motor, I rebuild it every 25 - 30 runs and it's still kicking after running 200+ battery packs through it. I did the math recently to see how much I spend using different types of motors:

Brushed Modified = $3 per run
Brushed Stock = $2 per run
Brushless = Less than 25 cents per run (if that)

Based on my own personal experience, I can't believe more people haven't gone the brushless route yet. Maybe more people would have gone brushless already if they'd realize that it will end up saving them a lot of money in the long run.

I sure don't miss having to spend almost $20 in motors/maintenance every time I go racing! Now they just need to make tires that aren't so expensive and/or last longer and I'd be able to race without money ever being an issue.

[RrR]

Nor me...I have a Mamba Max on the way hehe.

Brushless makes more sense for bashers if you ask me. Less motor maintainance....although it could be argued the power is harder on the rest of the car.

StuWhat car/truck? I run a Maxx I play in the mud,snow all that crap you are not supoze to play in. I melt down a 5-10 buck can 550 no big deal but a BL maaannn! Plus you and TTC aint real basher :mad: just pozers :D

[RrR]

If you think a BL motor is expensive look at the brushless ESC that you need for them and start at around $130 for a decent oneOh I know the cost. It was just a point. ;)

[jedipirate]

i got out of electric racing because it always seemed to be a stupid$$$$ battle of motors and batteries!how many times have batteries(nimh)changed over the past year or so?2400s,3000s,3300s,3600s,3700s,3800s,4200s and i am sure i missed some!how much extra for a "team"pack add20-40$$$i havent even seen a "team"pack lipo!!how many times have the stock motor or 19turn or even the mod cans and armature/or brushes changed?i wont even try to count.this is planned obsolesence!that isn't "tuning" imo it is a racket!i dont want to go any farther so i dont pi$$ any body off too much,but that is some very easy math that i wasnt taght in skewl.
come on ,why would a machine wound 19t cost 10$$ more than a machine wound 27t?because the sell more stock motors than 19t?then explain the 10-20 dollar machine wound "cheapie "mods?
now wonder they are mad;they are getting ripped and we(bl population)have figured it out!

[ElectricThunder]

i got out of electric racing because it always seemed to be a stupid$$$$ battle of motors and batteries!how many times have batteries(nimh)changed over the past year or so?2400s,3000s,3300s,3600s,3700s,3800s,4200s and i am sure i missed some!how much extra for a "team"pack add20-40$$$i havent even seen a "team"pack lipo!!how many times have the stock motor or 19turn or even the mod cans and armature/or brushes changed?i wont even try to count.this is planned obsolesence!that isn't "tuning" imo it is a racket!i dont want to go any farther so i dont pi$$ any body off too much,but that is some very easy math that i wasnt taght in skewl.
come on ,why would a machine wound 19t cost 10$$ more than a machine wound 27t?because the sell more stock motors than 19t?then explain the 10-20 dollar machine wound "cheapie "mods?
now wonder they are mad;they are getting ripped and we(bl population)have figured it out!
LOL! Add in a set of high capacity (like 6000mah) 2s lipos and you should be set for probably two seasons at least; limited only by the batteries.:D

Has anyone else fallen in love with the mamba's programming by the way? I can't stop adjusting stuff....:D It's so neat, and just an awesome tuning tool. Can't wait to get my lap top for college...castle link is going on there!:D :eek:

[jedipirate]

not to mention that if you try to run more voltage things burnout quicker with brushes.i tried a couple regular stock 540 motors in an emaxx-lasted about 30 secs,but was fast.so add some batteries for a speed run... not with brushes!oh yeah,how many times have esc's been "improved"?and how many mamba maxxes are there?
compare this to nitro and the cost of a good throttle servo(115)is almost as much as mm.!then nitro,clutch shoes,glow plugs....
i guess my ranting mislead me...they should like us cuz we smarter.

[Ghostface Buggy]

no wonder they are mad;they are getting ripped and we(bl population)have figured it out!

Yes, the cult of Brushology is mad. They even sent covert spies to post on this thread to once again make the completely illogical argument that brushless is more expensive.

What's next? Will they tell us that not smoking causes lung cancer and that Tom Cruise is Jesus Christ? :D

[TunaCan Charlie]

What car/truck? I run a Maxx I play in the mud,snow all that crap you are not supoze to play in. I melt down a 5-10 buck can 550 no big deal but a BL maaannn! Plus you and TTC aint real basher :mad: just pozers :D

Are you throwing down the gauntlet? *SLAP TO THE FACE*

[Stuart B]

What car/truck? I run a Maxx I play in the mud,snow all that crap you are not supoze to play in. I melt down a 5-10 buck can 550 no big deal but a BL maaannn! Plus you and TTC aint real basher :mad: just pozers :D

I run a dark impact buggy :).....not sure that makes me a poser...but I love it hehe.

Stu

[RrR]

Are you throwing down the gauntlet? *SLAP TO THE FACE* Yes I am(Un-)basher boy!!!! I want to see some dirt on that clean,shinny shelf queen you call a basher. :p

[RrR]

I run a dark impact buggy :).....not sure that makes me a poser...but I love it hehe.

Stu Awww man it sounds better when you use a z(poser) :D

[TunaCan Charlie]

Yes I am(Un-)basher boy!!!! I want to see some dirt on that clean,shinny shelf queen you call a basher. :p

.............sorry

[RrR]

1. You're a tool.

2. Spell shiny correctly dummy.

3. My 'Pede was shiny because it was new, you size queen.

4. Take your E-Maxx and stick it in your RrR.

5. You're a tool. Little over the top dont you think. I whent to puplick scool and can speel greit. :p

[glassdoctor]

Tell us how you really feel, TunaCan

[Stuart B]

huh huh TooL :)

I'll take a pic of it next time I use it in the light to see if its dirty or PoZeR :)

Stu

[mugenX5]

Brushless costs so much more than brushed! When will some people get their heads out of their asses? I paid $200 for my NEW MM5700 from a hobby shop too! What's a Novak GTX run, about $160 new? Mod motor, another $70. Factor in the comm lathe, brushes, and about 20 runs later, toss that armature out and buy another one.

I paid $350 for the 125b and 9xl in my XB8, factor in about $250 for the batteries and charger and were at the same price as a top level .21, pipe, and starter box.

As one person said, the battery companies are a friggin racket too. Matched this, voltage enhanced that, blah , blah, blah. Orion has already started that crap with their lipo packs. Platinum, Carbon Edition. I can't wait for their Signature Worlds Edition Team Matched 5500 mah Lipo Race Gold Pack, which retails for only $350 :rolleyes:

[glassdoctor]

I get asked all the time about my 1/8 BL stuff... how much does it cost? Even when they know the motors I run are expensive, I just tell them it costs about the same as nitro. Dollar for dollat it comes out pretty close.

Cheapie nitro costs about the same as a budget brushless setup.... and high end nitro about like a high end brushless.

It's ironic how close the #'s are... and even when you facor in things like lipo battery, charger etc... vs. fuel, plugs, stater box and battery/charger for it, etc etc...

[TunaCan Charlie]

Little over the top dont you think. I whent to puplick scool and can speel greit. :p

Was it?

Did you intend to bash me because I put brushless systems in my cars/trucks? If that was not your intention and your comment was really just a poor joke, then I will fully retract and apologize for all statements that I posted concerning you.

-Steve

[glassdoctor]

Signature Worlds Edition Team Matched 5500 mah Lipo Race Gold Pack, which retails for only $350 :rolleyes:

But it will have real gold leaf lettering on the hand-laid carbon fiber case... so it's ok to pay $250 at least :)

[RrR]

Was it?

Did you intend to bash me because I put brushless systems in my cars/trucks? If that was not your intention and your comment was really just a poor joke, then I will fully retract and apologize for all statements that I posted concerning you.

-Steve Yes it. No one intend to bash anyone. The joke was not that poor. Thank you. Ps I forgit you yankiees have no cents of whomer. :p

[TunaCan Charlie]

Yes it. No one intend to bash anyone. The joke was not that poor. Thank you. Ps I forgit you yankiees have no cents of whomer. :p

I completely misunderstood your post and I wholeheartedly apologize for my remarks. :o

[RrR]

I completely misunderstood your post and I wholeheartedly apologize for my remarks. :o
Its all good man I have done it myself a time or two. :)

[jedipirate]

at least LOSI is on the bandwagon,maybe they can help convert the nonbelievers.wouldnt 10 minute electric mains be cool?now for a 4wd stadium truck...

[ElectricThunder]

at least LOSI is on the bandwagon,maybe they can help convert the nonbelievers.wouldnt 10 minute electric mains be cool?now for a 4wd stadium truck...
I think RC Pro Series runs 20 minutes for brushless stuff (ask Craps about it... I THINK it's RC Pro Series).

Anyways... With the advent of more and more runtime up and coming, pretty soon the focus on motors will be efficiency... Perhaps we will see more active cooling on motors next, or perhaps more efficient conductors (can you imagine in 2050, superconductors being used in motors or something crazy like that...:D)? :eek:

[splode]

:huh:
What on earth is up with the spelling and grammar on this thread?

[TunaCan Charlie]

I think RC Pro Series runs 20 minutes for brushless stuff (ask Craps about it... I THINK it's RC Pro Series).

Anyways... With the advent of more and more runtime up and coming, pretty soon the focus on motors will be efficiency... Perhaps we will see more active cooling on motors next, or perhaps more efficient conductors (can you imagine in 2050, superconductors being used in motors or something crazy like that...:D)? :eek:

What would be crazy would be for a colossal advance in technology such as a superconductor to be incorporated in a "toy".

Kinda like the Mattel Hoverboards in Back to the Future II and III...

Would be very cool though!! *bad pun*

[chilledoutuk]

What would be crazy would be for a colossal advance in technology such as a superconductor to be incorporated in a "toy".

Kinda like the Mattel Hoverboards in Back to the Future II and III...

Would be very cool though!! *bad pun*

not sure if your aware of this but people spend a lot of money on things they don't need so the use of exotic technology in products that have no practical everyday use is very common.

[TunaCan Charlie]

not sure if your aware of this but people spend a lot of money on things they don't need so the use of exotic technology in products that have no practical everyday use is very common.

I'm just saying that it would take a LONG time before a device such as an anti-gravity unit would be used in children's toys. It would almost certainly be used in transportation and construction (after the military was done with it), and would probably be a bulky item at first. It's taken many decades since the first "computer" was developed before it was common and small enough to be used in recreational devices.

Maybe a superconductor that was able to be used at room temperature would simply be a material or an element that we have not discovered yet. Imagine how a material with no resistance would change the world!

[Craps]

I think RC Pro Series runs 20 minutes for brushless stuff (ask Craps about it... I THINK it's RC Pro Series).

Anyways... With the advent of more and more runtime up and coming, pretty soon the focus on motors will be efficiency... Perhaps we will see more active cooling on motors next, or perhaps more efficient conductors (can you imagine in 2050, superconductors being used in motors or something crazy like that...:D)? :eek:

We started a class called Pro Truck that is any 2wd 1/10th scale stadium truck with any motor and any battery with a 20 minute main. It has progressed to be the only electric class allowed at North America's top off road track that is home of the 2007 ROAR Gas Truck Nationals and the 2008 World's 1/8th Scale Buggy Championship....The Farm II in Charlotte, NC!

More info here: www.thefarm2.com

Radio Control Car Action Magazine is sponsoring and covering the ECNS at the Farm II this year too! Stay tuned!

[ScottB32]

...2wd 1/10th stadium truck ...20 minute main...

This is the future. Long runs, less emphasis on maintenance and cost. When I first started running Nitro 1/8 (on-road) back in 1988 the power was out-performing the grip. It was a great time for racing - less emphasis on power, more on set-up and consistency. The same is coming to electric.

[ElectricThunder]

We started a class called Pro Truck that is any 2wd 1/10th scale stadium truck with any motor and any battery with a 20 minute main. It has progressed to be the only electric class allowed at North America's top off road track that is home of the 2007 ROAR Gas Truck Nationals and the 2008 World's 1/8th Scale Buggy Championship....The Farm II in Charlotte, NC!

More info here: www.thefarm2.com

Radio Control Car Action Magazine is sponsoring and covering the ECNS at the Farm II this year too! Stay tuned!
Thanks for the clarification Craps.:)

Tuna- There are already superconductors....they just have to be super cooled to something like -120 degrees celcius for the "warmest" of them (cool though, haha!!!).:(

We were actually talking about this in physics today. Discovering/creating a superconductor at room termperature would have tremendous usage, and impact the world greatly. Astounding stuff eh?

There's already the train in I think Japan that works off the Meissener affect (magnet being suspended in air by a powerful enough electric field). If that can be applied somehow so that the object you're riding repulses earth's magnetic field, you may just get your hoverboards.:D

But man...100% efficient motors.... Those would be POWERFUL :eek:

[splode]

If that can be applied somehow so that the object you're riding repulses earth's magnetic field, you may just get your hoverboards.:D

But will people be willing to go to the north or south pole to use them?

[Craps]

This is the future. Long runs, less emphasis on maintenance and cost. When I first started running Nitro 1/8 (on-road) back in 1988 the power was out-performing the grip. It was a great time for racing - less emphasis on power, more on set-up and consistency. The same is coming to electric.

We race the Pro Trucks on mostly 1/8th scale tracks with huge jumps that the track gets blown out. You better have that set up right for the track conditions and have the juice to clear big doubles. I love the challenge and love the long 20 minute mains we have too!

Li-pos and brushless are the future and are the hope of electric surviving off road in the future with low maintence and log runtimes that makes a good alternative to gas.

[GordonFreeman]

To know how the old brushed guys feel, just imagine you are a typewritter repair person back in the '80s. The old carb gurus hated EFI when it came out, now they love it. Times change, deal with it how you will.

But it is more than just the obsolesence of their skills. I call it a desire for mutual suffering. Such as, "If I have to have all these $1000s of support equipment, boxes of brushes and springs, need to tear my motor apart every other run, you need to do all this pointless work too." Mutual suffering.

[scoob]

I call it a desire for mutual suffering. Such as, "If I have to have all these $1000s of support equipment, boxes of brushes and springs, need to tear my motor apart every other run, you need to do all this pointless work too." Mutual suffering.


LOL. That's perfect! :)

[trxcrazy345]

im getting a mamba max 7700 for my rusty and later a stampede with a hacker

[Stuart B]

To know how the old brushed guys feel, just imagine you are a typewritter repair person back in the '80s. The old carb gurus hated EFI when it came out, now they love it. Times change, deal with it how you will.

But it is more than just the obsolesence of their skills. I call it a desire for mutual suffering. Such as, "If I have to have all these $1000s of support equipment, boxes of brushes and springs, need to tear my motor apart every other run, you need to do all this pointless work too." Mutual suffering.

Hehe, made me smile.

Mine MM has turned up, and is unstalled....had a quick burn up the street in the dar....need more room than my street...in the dark and wet lol.

Stu

[TunaCan Charlie]

Hehe, made me smile.

Mine MM has turned up, and is unstalled....had a quick burn up the street in the dar....need more room than my street...in the dark and wet lol.

Stu

He he he...your playground becomes alot smaller with a Mamba!!!

[ElectricThunder]

But will people be willing to go to the north or south pole to use them?
If someone discovers/creates a superconductor at room temperature, then you won't have to go to the north or south pole.;)

[Stuart B]

He he he...your playground becomes alot smaller with a Mamba!!!

Just been down the car park in town....could kinda see what I was doing. What can I say......FRIKIN HELL hehehe. I am on the lowest ratio I have at the moment too (28/85), nothing is getting overly warm. I love the noise it makes too...very distinctive compared to the brushed set up.

BRUSHES.....STICK EM UP YA @7$3........:)

[Jayboy]

Just been down the car park in town....could kinda see what I was doing. What can I say......FRIKIN HELL hehehe. I am on the lowest ratio I have at the moment too (28/85), nothing is getting overly warm. I love the noise it makes too...very distinctive compared to the brushed set up.

BRUSHES.....STICK EM UP YA @7$3........:)

Havent you got like 6 inches of snow where you are then...cause i have!

[Stuart B]

Havent you got like 6 inches of snow where you are then...cause i have!
lol....not in dorset :)....it just rained instead :(.

I think I prefer getting to play with my new mamba than getting the chance build a snow man :)

Stu

[Jayboy]

Oh...gotcha!
I got to miss school today (im 15) because of the snow...WOO-HOO!
Spent all day building snow men, including one that was over 5ft tall!
Sorry...slightly offtopic!

[Stuart B]

Oh...gotcha!
I got to miss school today (im 15) because of the snow...WOO-HOO!
Spent all day building snow men, including one that was over 5ft tall!
Sorry...slightly offtopic!

lol lucky sod....i got to go to work as normal. I'm 29...Growing older is compulsary...growing up isn't :)

[splode]

If someone discovers/creates a superconductor at room temperature, then you won't have to go to the north or south pole.;)

I was not making a remark about temperature. Just observe the earth's magnetic field lines (http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/29dec_magneticfield.htm).

[ElectricThunder]

I was not making a remark about temperature. Just observe the earth's magnetic field lines (http://science.nasa.gov/headlines/y2003/29dec_magneticfield.htm).
Yeah...forgot that Earth has magnetic poles....heh (which are supposed to switch "soon").

Looks like we have to look into magic....darn.:p

[Vato Loco]

dylithium crystals, warp coils, and a engineer named scotty! and may be a stolen cloaking device to boot!LOL's

[TunaCan Charlie]

Yeah...forgot that Earth has magnetic poles....heh (which are supposed to switch "soon").


Dude...you are the only other person I've ever heard that from besides myself and some obscure Discovery channel show I was watching. I'm sure the treehuggers will say we caused that, too, as soon as it happens.

Bring on global warming, I say. My toes are cold.

[Vato Loco]

Dude...you are the only other person I've ever heard that from besides myself and some obscure Discovery channel show I was watching. I'm sure the treehuggers will say we caused that, too, as soon as it happens.

Bring on global warming, I say. My toes are cold.
in the 70's they wanted to cover the north poll in soot to prevent global cooling! what happened?

[ElectricThunder]

Dude...you are the only other person I've ever heard that from besides myself and some obscure Discovery channel show I was watching. I'm sure the treehuggers will say we caused that, too, as soon as it happens.

Bring on global warming, I say. My toes are cold.
I watched an entire Nova special (something like 1 1/2 or 2 hours) on it. Absolutely fascinating (and there's geological evidence to prove such a thing too).

I can wait for global warming though... I don't feel like living underwater (if all the glaciers melt... South Florida is most likely SOL... :roll2: )

I wonder though....has anyone considered that there is a lot more concrete and black asphalt in the world today than there was say...100 years ago? That CERTAINLY would have an impact on temperature, no? (Ok, so my gas guzzlin' 302 isn't helping either....:p)

[Stuart B]

What car/truck? I run a Maxx I play in the mud,snow all that crap you are not supoze to play in. I melt down a 5-10 buck can 550 no big deal but a BL maaannn! Plus you and TTC aint real basher :mad: just pozers :D


This DirTy enough for you? :)

http://www.stuart.w.brookes.dsl.pipex.com/dirty%20di.jpg

Stu

[ElectricThunder]

This DirTy enough for you? :)

http://www.stuart.w.brookes.dsl.pipex.com/dirty%20di.jpg

Stu
Very nice. I would say throw some more mud on the lid though....:D