Any more electric monsters....ever?

[Chachi_RC]

Is the electric monster truck market dead? Will we ever see any of these companies take on the challenge of the new brushless motors and LIPO batts, and put them in a production monster truck? It just seems that all the inovation in the last year or two as far as new complete vehicles are concerned, has been in the nitro market.

I fully appreciate nitro by all means. It just isn't what I am into, and after 15+ years in electric rc, I feel like I would have to start back at square one if I decided to change to nitro. I just keep waiting for one of the big boys (Traxxas, AE, Losi, Kyosho) to bring some new electrics to the market. I have especially been waiting for an electric Revo, but I am not holding my breath.

Have we seen the end of electric for a few years? At least until the brushless and LIPO technology gets better?

Any thoughts?

[pinolelst]

Is the electric monster truck market dead? Will we ever see any of these companies take on the challenge of the new brushless motors and LIPO batts, and put them in a production monster truck? It just seems that all the inovation in the last year or two as far as new complete vehicles are concerned, has been in the nitro market.

I fully appreciate nitro by all means. It just isn't what I am into, and after 15+ years in electric rc, I feel like I would have to start back at square one if I decided to change to nitro. I just keep waiting for one of the big boys (Traxxas, AE, Losi, Kyosho) to bring some new electrics to the market. I have especially been waiting for an electric Revo, but I am not holding my breath.

Have we seen the end of electric for a few years? At least until the brushless and LIPO technology gets better?

Any thoughts?

"end of electric"?? LOL


Why wait ?? Do your own conversions if there's nothing currently available that suits your taste.

check out my putfile page for pics an e-LST2 and a Cen Matrix conversion I've just done. http://www.putfile.com/troutgeek/images/80778

Also check out rc-monster.com for a forum of people mostly doing conversions from Truggys to Monster Trucks

only end to electric is what the nitros see when I run against them..my back end that is :D

pinolelst :wave:

[Chachi_RC]

I like the back end comment on the nitro guys! I have done quite a bit of research on the conversions, and seriously considered doing the RC Monster G2R chassis for the Revo conversion, but I really didn't want to drop $1200 building it. I would love to buy a production based (new generation-I had an Emaxx) electric monster truck for about $400-$500 (RTR) and then be able to upgrade and mod and still be less than the $1200 mark. As all these new products are coming out for 2007, it has been dominated by nitro. I'm sure we will see more new stuff come out as spring rolls in. I just hope we see some new electric stuff!

PS-Those are some nice rides you got there pinolelst!

[pinolelst]

I like the back end comment on the nitro guys! I have done quite a bit of research on the conversions, and seriously considered doing the RC Monster G2R chassis for the Revo conversion, but I really didn't want to drop $1200 building it. I would love to buy a production based (new generation-I had an Emaxx) electric monster truck for about $400-$500 (RTR) and then be able to upgrade and mod and still be less than the $1200 mark. As all these new products are coming out for 2007, it has been dominated by nitro. I'm sure we will see more new stuff come out as spring rolls in. I just hope we see some new electric stuff!

PS-Those are some nice rides you got there pinolelst!

Yeah.I agree that the offerings are pretty slim but old habits are hard to break.I also think that once the lipo hysteria calms down and people start thinking of them as batteries instead of radioactive death machines capable of instantaneously combusting we'll see more OEM versions of lipo/brushless powered trucks/cars. Losi already offers brushless packages for it's existing electrics....maybe they'll be the first with a full brushless MT package ... :D

Have fun

pinolelst

[Smib]

I know this is unbelievably off topic but the guitar break in "One" by Metallica has been playing while I've been reding this. it is so good.

Well, now that that's over, I am really on the fence about new electric MTs. Even though I probably wouldn't drive anything else, I don't see much need for a new one, especially if HPI has set the standard by releasing one of the best MTs yet)Savage), and then coming out with an E-Savage that isn't truely an E-Savage. The E-Maxx has such a stonghold on the 10th scale electric mt market someone would have to come out with something great to take away potential buyers. If the E-Savage was 8th scale like it should have been, it would be way more popular.

There are some really great nitro trucks out now, and I would rather get the parts together to make an electric conversion for one of them than take a risk on a new model from any company, unless it was really innovative and such.

[maxxmustang]

i think traxxas is going to remod the emaxx pretty soon

[BIGDADDYV]

We took an Ofna MXB and stripped it totally of all the nitro stuff that was on it and remodded the chassis with a traxxas spur gear and offset it a TT-01 plastic "bearing" then added an airtronics radio and rx and an xl-5 esc and a 17t speed gems motor .... Making it what we like to call " TRAXMOFIA" ....LOL it looks like a truggy and performs like a beast .... :D

[savage100]

I know this is unbelievably off topic but the guitar break in "One" by Metallica has been playing while I've been reding this. it is so good.
Yup, totally. And a electrics are for those who don't know anything about engines or how much power they really have. Nitro's rule! :winner:

[pinolelst]

Yup, totally. And a electrics are for those who don't know anything about engines or how much power they really have. Nitro's rule! :winner:


Sure thing there young padwan.... :D


pinolelst :wave:

[JeffEmbracedDC]

Seriously :)... More like.. Nitros are for those who don't understand how much power brushless motors really have :). Anyone who's run a brushless motor will probably agree with me. They're insane. There could certainly be improovement - but keep in mind it's fairly new to the r/c car industry where as engines have been around forever. I think engines have pretty much hit their peak. As far as brushless stuff goes - that stuff can only get better as the next few years come and more development goes in to these things. Brushless is the way to go :)

I would be surprised if they came out with an electric revo any time soon. Honestly I think that the current electric monster trucks are really being left behind by big brushless conversions.. like lst2 and truggy conversions. There's no doubt in my mind that there will some brushless 1/8th production buggies and trucks to come. The only thing really holding it back is battery technology. There's nothing wrong with running 12 cells for a run (Hey, the e-maxx does it).. but buying decent batteries.. or even lipos can be expensive and that's the only down-fall/set-back I really see currently. Hopefully li-pos will become more popular and drop in price. Right now they're just sky-high and I know that I certainly cant afford them...

-J

[z-man280]

Yup, totally. And a electrics are for those who don't know anything about engines or how much power they really have. Nitro's rule! :winner:



try telling that to Nic Case........

[JeffEmbracedDC]

Yup, totally. And a electrics are for those who don't know anything about engines or how much power they really have. Nitro's rule! :winner:


Also tell that to the guys at the insane speed run ;) I basically bet my life to you that the top speed will be by an electric with nitro running WAYYY behind by I'd say.. at LEAST 50mph slower than electric.

-J

[savage100]

Yeah, but brushless and lipo conversions cost maybe $600 or more? Im not sure about how much but they are expensive. And what about the 4-tec 3.3? Huh? that goes 70 out of the box, with upgrades i bet it could easily reach 100, and take a look at the last video on the video section on here, 100mph hpi car. But i know electrics can beat a nitro in top speed but what im saying is that electrics are kinda wimps. No screaming engines, no smell of exhaust, none of that good stuff. They may be faster in the long run but they aren't nearly as much of the car or truck as a nitro, if you know what im saying. I don't know exactly how to describe it but they are just different in a huge way. It might be just my opinion but nothing is as good as a nitro, i bash though so im not for speed. Just the torque and stuff is unbelieveable. I don't like all the new tecnology.

[z-man280]

Right right, i can get where you're coming from. Yeah, there is something to be said for the smell and sound of a nitro engine. Electrics do have their good points as well, quiet, can be run anywhere,. ect. I cant side either way, because i own both!

[Chachi_RC]

Yup, totally. And a electrics are for those who don't know anything about engines or how much power they really have. Nitro's rule! :winner:

Tool. That is really all I have to say. I am actually a "car guy" at heart, and I do know about engines.....plenty. I like electrics because I just want to spend my time driving my rc car not cleaning or wrenching on it. Don't get me wrong, nitros are sweet! I agree, that the smell, the sound, and all that other testosterone generating aspects of nitro are nice. But, that still doesn't take care of the performance issue. You said you like torque huh? Well, I hate to break it to you, but the best torque still comes from an electric powered vehicle in my opinion!

[tadium54]

funny how case owns the speed record and he runs an electric.....

[savage100]

I have no doubt that electrics are faster. The land speed record was set by a funny looking car with a huge brushless eingine and a ton of nickel metal hydrate or however you spell it rechargable batteries. I am just saying i like nitro better because to me it is more of a real hobby, you have to tune the engines, get them to run just right, and it is more like a real car. Even though they aren't faster. And the reason that electrics have more torque than nitros is because the engine revs to full speed really quick, unlike a engine, it takes a little more time. Nitros are just better to me. I can't really explain it, if anyone even knows what i mean. But to get a real feel for them both, i'd have to drive an electric truck with a brushless in it to see the difference.

Edit: And oh yeah, i like building and working on stuff so that is another reason i like nitros better. You have to do more stuff to keep them running at their full potential.

[Demon-TC3]

Just to let you guys know, companies are currently designing Brushless 1/8 trucks and buggys (team VTX of USA i kno is one) so look out for those within 2007....

:wave:

[Chachi_RC]

Now I am hearing about a new EMaxx in March. Any one hear of that?

[maxxmustang]

Now I am hearing about a new EMaxx in March. Any one hear of that?
really now? where did you heard that?


im pretty pysched! :D :D

[Chachi_RC]

On one of these threads in this forum! Although, I can't remember where. I think someone mentioned it in the "New Traxxas Bandit" in the Hot News and New Stuff thread. I am just hoping it is true! Plus, one of the mods on the Traxxas forums mentioned he had creditable info on a E-Revo possibly coming out 1st quarter of 2007! Cross your fingers!

[4DMNYC]

You can bet that, when brushless MT rtr's hit the market they will do extremely well. And you'll see tons of E Mt's back on the market. I'm going to predict there will be as many brushless mt rtr's as there are nitro ones. And it will all trickle down to the buggies, truggies and everything else. Give it about a year and a half...maybe sooner.

[76bentley]

I am new here but not new to RC. I hear what savage 100 is saying about the smell and sound of nitro, lots of people like that. However with that, comes a huge oil soaked mess and not really practical to run around in the neighborhood.

I am purely an electric guy I love the instant torque and no tuning, I have only become more addicted with brushless tech hitting the RC Hobby. IMHO nitro will still hang around awhile because nitro requires so much more maintenance which = more parts sold. Brushless motors can last who knows how long provided that they are sealed and proper bearing maintenance is done. If you call finedesigns RC and talk to Chris Fine, he will tell you he has 9 year old brushless motors that are still ripping around.

But even brushed motors with some good packs are not slow. A stock E-Maxx with good batteries can hang with a stock Savage X or a stock Losi Aftershock. A good set of batteries from Max Amps could run 200 bucks (I am talking a couple of premium 7 cell E-Maxx packs) but they will last hundreds of cycles for 3 years or more. I know nitro is 20 dollars a gallon, that adds up quick.

To Chachi_RC I will say check out some stuff you may not have looked at before. (If you have checked it out sorry just trying to help a fellow electric guy) Kyosho is importing the Twin Force again, the Spirit version comes loaded with ball bearings, carbon fiber side plates, ESC and twin EVO X Speed motors (They are faster than the original X Speed by a long shot) Kit goes together well and if you look there are a ton of companies putting out awsome stuff for it (rc4wd.com has some insane billet stuff). OH and it is brushless ready it comes with 1/8 Nitro buggy diffs. If you want an electric Revo now you can get a rolling chassis from rc-manster.com just add emaxx electrics or what ever tickles your fancy. You could do that for well under 700-800 bucks. If you want something a little bigger check out the finedesignrc.com's Aftershock conversion. I am blessed enough that I recently got one and it is amazing! Want something you will likely never see anyone else with check out the G-Made Spider (Crawler) or Dragoon (Racer), junfac.com has them and all of the spare parts you could ever want. The qualitly will blow your mind and when I ordered my Dragoon it got here from Korea in 4 days!!! Hope this helps you find something new until we see the US marketers step up and give us what we want.

[Eli the rc guy]

Electrics are more mother nature friendly in the long term I think. I have it when people mouth at electric saying they are weak or slow or just f*cking jack. The brushless stuff is creeping up/ owning nitros now. I believe the fastest Rc is an Electric. Correct me if Im wrong.

[HamiltonSavageX]

Any of you seen the HPI E-Savage.

I have both Electric and Nitro and love both. The Electrics can run inside and outside, Nitros can only run outsid. but there is just some thing about the whine and smell of a Nitro I love. The brushless technolagy is great and it's only going to get better as the tech. grows and matures.

[revodude14]

Ha, well if electrics are so good then why are most real cars gas powered or diesel? Well if you really want to get crazy jet powered engines are the best and have set records. No, i'm not trying to make anyone mad but I just like how the industry is just getting better for all types of rc's, and advancements in nitro's or electric's will still lead to better chassis's, shocks, tech. in general. To stick to the topic, personally I would love to see more kits with trucks and to see new electric monster trucks. Maybe traxxas will come out with a 3.3 emaxx and start another revolution like when the t-maxx came out (kinda doubt it though)? who knows, but what i wonder is if there will ever be such a big market that there will be electric monster trucks with their own racing class. just my 2 cents

[Chachi_RC]

I really think we will start seeing the "Revolution" (ooooh, good name for an electric Revo, huh?) in the electric vehicle market any day now. With all this killer new tech out there, it is just on the verge of leaving the nitro folks in the dust. Nitro will always be there, I have no doubt about that. It is just with the electric market coming on so strong, it will be able to innovate so much more as time goes on. I know this has been mentioned, so I am not saying anything new here. I guess I just hope that is the way it goes, because it is what I am into. Not dissing you nitro guys by any means. It's just what I got into when I was 14 and that is what I have stuck with for my 15+ years in the hobby.

[Chachi_RC]

OK, here we go! On Wednesday, March 1st, will we see another new release from Traxxas.....a revised EMAXX or a new Electric Revo? Some are speculating that we will! I sure hope so!

[savage100]

Don't you mean Thursday March 1st? I wonder what it will be though. Hopefully it is a little bit tougher than the T-Maxx.

[Demon-TC3]

Don't you mean Thursday March 1st?

No you see a secret of the "big boys" is to provide non existing dates to get peoples hopes up then to realise they need to wait another 7 years for that date to come up! :P hehe

Either way i hope it is the E-maxx upgraded...would be cool!

[balang_479]

I hope its a E-Revo, the MAXX chassis is old...

[Demon-TC3]

WHY didnt i think of that???
An E-revo would be THE Coolest MT Ever made!

[Chachi_RC]

Yes, I did mean Thursday the 1st. I know about the "double-speak" that you mentioned! It is like talking to a cop, an attorney, where they give you answer, but that answer just spurs on most questions in the vicious circle! I am hoping for the E-Revo as well, as opposed to an updated EMaxx (or as some call, an EMaxx 3.3). The E-Revo has been my "guess" or "predicition" of what they will bring out. I hope, I hope, I hope!!!! Let's come back to this thread tomorrow and see if we have any further news! Cross your fingers!

[Chachi_RC]

I also did some checking on the Traxxas website to see how they released the revised Bandit info as well. This forum (RCCA) has the official thread with the release information on 2/9/07. Traxxas has their Product Release page showing Ready For Shipping for the new Bandit on 2/26/07. Of course they had to have info up about the revised Bandit prior to it being ready to ship, but it almost seems that they have a release to a publication (RCCA) prior to posting it on their website. I wonder if this is a marketing plow. Release it to the press as big news to get it out there ASAP, but then promote it a bit later on their own website. Does anyone remember or know how the release of the Revo was? Do you know when it was as far as time of year? It seems they release the news, and about a month later after the hype gets going, the product is available. Any thoughts or ideas, please post! GO E-REVO!!

[eugene]

seems like all are going nitro,but i really like electric.my thunderking is fast but has no run time.anyone with answers?

[Chachi_RC]

seems like all are going nitro,but i really like electric.my thunderking is fast but has no run time.anyone with answers?

I know nothing about the Thunderking, but I did see this thread of what a guy did with his. Looks pretty sweet!

http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/showthread.php?t=234029

[Chachi_RC]

Well, nothing today! Darn it! Well, we will see about Monday March 5th. Maybe that will be the day of some new arrival of some kind! Being that the "new" Bandit was posted on this site on 2/9/07. About a month later for another release will be about right. Hmmmmm.

[Chachi_RC]

And again, nothing today. I am jonesing for new stuff!!!! E-REVO! PLEASE!

[Demon-TC3]

DAMNIT TRAXXAS E-REVO US ALREADY!
Dont you want to make money???

[Mini-TBasher55]

DAMNIT TRAXXAS E-REVO US ALREADY!
Dont you want to make money???

In the mean time, make your own! Take an E-Maxx, and go on eBay. Find 3.3 knuckles w/ bearings, driveshafts, turnbuckles, and suspension arms. Give your E-Maxx 3.3 Suspension! I'm reasonably sure that you can use the stronger 3.3 bulkheads, but I'm not sure. For me, my schedule is like this:

March: Micro-T and about $25 into the Mini-T.

April: E-Maxx! If I can, 3.3 it out!

May: Drifter Project! (considering it)

[Demon-TC3]

thing is though it costs allot of money and i just dont have the time i used to for this sort of thing...
I want something like an electric ST and although the REVO isnt an ST or an MT somewhere in between its still awsome if i could get an electric version...obviously not immediately as with everything it will be overpriced but in the future...

[JDT]

Last summer I saw a bl lipo rc10gt lap the entire field in a 20 minute race, the nitro guys cried and now the track owner makes converted electrics stop twice for at least 4 second to keep the nitro guys from getting smoked, the way I look at it is he got a bigger battery you better go get a bigger fuel tank. For years we had to have seperate classes because a 10th electric truck couldn't hang with a 10th nitro truck, now its the same its just the nitro that can't hang lol.

[balang_479]

What you race Nitro with Electric?

[JDT]

If the nitro guys don't refuse that is, there is a bl jammin truggy and a bl 1/8 buggy around here that consistently run with the nitro boys but for events like cash or trophy races the racers may lock him out or force him to do the fake pit stops. The guy with the rc10gt wasn't even allowed the fake pitstop deal as there is a class for 10th electric 2wd truck so he was told he had to run with the electric trucks which meant he didn't have any competition so he now has a rc10gt2 with a nitro motor to race and he just bashes the bl truck.

[Argon5w]

I have a converted LST2 from Fine Design. Working in Iraq limits prevents me from running nitro because we can't ship nitro by air (legally). I also don't want the maint. issues that come with nitro. I can't just run down to the local hobby shop and by parts. Nitros present enough maint. work without being in the desert at 135 F.

I shipped the truck home for my last R&R. The truck is so fast that people driving on the road turn around to ask about it. There wasn't a nitro truck or buggy that could come close to it. FD makes faster vehicles, but I thought bigger would be better when dealing with the wide open desert. The only bad thing about this truck is that there are no close races. The only time I don't take them from the start to the finish is when I can't hook up. They joke about wearing eye protection around the truck.

Richard
Tikrit Iraq

[pinolelst]

I have a converted LST2 from Fine Design. Working in Iraq limits prevents me from running nitro because we can't ship nitro by air (legally). I also don't want the maint. issues that come with nitro. I can't just run down to the local hobby shop and by parts. Nitros present enough maint. work without being in the desert at 135 F.

I shipped the truck home for my last R&R. The truck is so fast that people driving on the road turn around to ask about it. There wasn't a nitro truck or buggy that could come close to it. FD makes faster vehicles, but I thought bigger would be better when dealing with the wide open desert. The only bad thing about this truck is that there are no close races. The only time I don't take them from the start to the finish is when I can't hook up. They joke about wearing eye protection around the truck.

Richard
Tikrit Iraq
:D :D :D
I converted one of mine with their kit and have no problems except for breaking tranny parts the first time I put a tanic 5000 mah 4s pack in it...wheelies were never that appealing to me but this truck will do it at 20 mph with a quick stab of the throttle and will flip over on it's lid if I'm not careful .
Seems much more powerful than even my Collari .30 nitro LST :p

Have fun

Steve :cool:

[Chachi_RC]

Well, as of today, no new electric monster trucks have come out. Bummer! I am starting to get the feeling that it may be until next year before we see this kind of stuff. It is too bad! This could be the hottest market to hit RC since minis! I wish I had my own RC company, because I would have this product out now, making a killing!

[Demon-TC3]

as it gets closer to summer i think some manufacturers will realease some more off-road stuff...thats when people want them so thats when they will pay more for em!

[rob_s]

I'd like to see more electric monsters & truggies too. I don't so much care if they're faster than the nitro versions as I like the ability to run in a neighborhood without pissing off the neighbors.

I bought a cheap Academy nitro truggy that I'm working on converting to electric so I can learn the pitfalls.

[Demon-TC3]

I think there the Academy SB Buggy is pretty much that truggy with smaller tires...oh and electric.

[rob_s]

I think there the Academy SB Buggy is pretty much that truggy with smaller tires...oh and electric.
Yes and no, but for the parts I was interested in mostly no.

[lordoftraxxas]

OK well I myself was raised on a electric Losi XXXT but that was about 7 yrs ago. Now Im 15 and own a Tmaxx 2.5 and a Losi XXXS and yeah I love nitro because of all the aspects that it has over electric and the longer heats at races. But then again I love electric no hassle cleaning of the chassis quick easy runs and so quiet. But back to the topic. I would love to see an E-Revo but I think we wont see that til mid to late year maybe early 08 I think we will see a newer Emaxx before an E-Revo this year. I also dont think they will be brushless but come with ****** Traxxas motors. Im not downing Traxxas but they make better nitro engines then they do electric motors for trucks. Lets hope the revised Emaxx is not another ****** reproduction with a new body new "grey" plastic and just a new Xl-5 speed control. I want to see something new that no other electric MT has or done. And for gods sake no Wheely King attempts from other manufactures.

Edit: I really would like to see maybe a 1/16 E-Revo or 1/12 version. God I love minis

[Chachi_RC]

Update: No E-Revo yet!

[crazy4rc]

my electric monster
http://i49.photobucket.com/albums/f294/extremerc/DSC04694.jpg

[Chachi_RC]

That is one bad looking ride! Nice work man! So tell me, on these F350s, what kind of motor did you go with, and does it do ok at speed? Again, nice looking truck!

[HYDRAMATIC99]

Ha, well if electrics are so good then why are most real cars gas powered or diesel?


And how many of them are powered by 2 stroke nitro engines? Last time I checked there were more electric vehicals than that, if you are going to use that an argument.

[Chachi_RC]

Just a note that I found interesting……

As I was perusing the latest copy of another RC magazine (XRC), I came across a comment by one of their main editors that I found very interesting. The article was talking about the new (read: revised) Nitro Rustler and Stampede, and he mentioned that he felt this would be the last of the Traxxas vehicles to get an update.

Does this mean that Traxxas is done for the year as far as new products are concerned, and there is nothing new coming out in 2007?

Or, does that mean that the E-Maxx is not getting an update, because they will have something new in their electric line up, so there is no need to upgrade the E-Maxx?

Any thoughts?

[lordoftraxxas]

IMO it sounds like traxxas will not update anymore of there models this year but thats only his opinion too but i wouldnt listen to anybody about that stuff though you just never know with manufactures u know???

[Chachi_RC]

So now what do you all think? Will “Velineon” be the next thing?

Traxxas Emaxx VXL Brushless RTR Electric Monster Truck

Or

Traxxas Revo VXL Brushless RTR Electric Monster Truck

Or

Will another company be the first to bring an RTR brushless monster truck to the market? Who ever does will be the first in the hottest market around! Hotter than minis, truggies, and crawlers! I can see it now!

[lordoftraxxas]

i think that traxxas will prob revamp the emaxx first then go brushless with it kinda like the pede family. iunno about the e-revo they might im not sure right now. it would be cool to have a brushless revo rtr though.

[ElectricThunder]

I've read over on RC-monster that traxxas has an E-Revo prototype and a brushless Emaxx prototype supposedly (this is from a member on there that resides in Thailand; apparently Traxxas is outsourcing all their stuff to that area- makes sense from a cost standpoint). I'm guessing it's an offshoot of their Velineon stuff. Watch out for them in August I think is what the gist was.:D

[JeffEmbracedDC]

I have heard that Team VTX has a few brushless RTR 1/8th buggy/truggies up their sleeves for later this year. Don't quote me on that. I heard it from one of their reps.

[Kuya]

Been reading this thread and one thing didn't stick right.

Ha, well if electrics are so good then why are most real cars gas powered or diesel?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Who_Killed_the_Electric_Car%3F

It's a real eye opener.

I believe that electric will surpass combustion power in the long run. Since it's creation, very little has changed in a combustion engine design; it's based off the compression power you get from burning fuels. Electric power is based on motor design and battery storage capacity, both of which have been evolving rapidly in the past decade.

I own my share of electric and nitro vehicles and I love them both, but from what I have, my modded electrics give me more speed, torque, and responsiveness then my modded/tuned nitros.

[balang_479]

Yeah, all the oil industries are buying out the rights for these new electric car ideas, and then simply trashing them so people will still use crude oil based fuels. No "inventor" can really ignore an offer that an oil company can make. Millions...
As for car companies, some are trying to make 'em as pricely competitive as normal cars, but well see..................

[pghrc]

umm, i would like any nitro monster try to hang with a brushless/li-po powered e-maxx...

[Chachi_RC]

Just an update now that it is July of 2007.....

No E-Revo yet, or any other "new" electric monster has hit the market, other than re-done versions of re-done vehicles, a wheely-poppin' solid axle truck, and that is about it!

Don't get me wrong, as there have been some break throughs in the electric market with Traxxas and the Velineon system, but they didn't put it into anything new, different, and cool!

I keep thinking that Losi might come out with a brushless Muggy, or Associated with an electric MGT, or HPI with a "real" electric Savage, or Traxxas with an updated EMaxx or a new E-Revo!

Who ever does this first, will have the hottest thing in the industry since the mini scene. I would bet money on that fact!

[TheoThonio]

I don't know if this has been posted but these fellers have managed to make a lot of popular Monsters very very very fast electrics. Very cool but very very expensive.Electric Monsters (http://www.finedesignrc.com/deals.asp) I am in no way affiliated, I just thought they were pretty cool.

[NitroTXT1]

e-revo may pop up...but they aren't made because no one cares all major mt's sold are nitro...believe me i'd love another e-revo and actual production model because i had one but it was hard core money and time invested

[rob_s]

e-revo may pop up...but they aren't made because no one cares all major mt's sold are nitro...believe me i'd love another e-revo and actual production model because i had one but it was hard core money and time invested

Yep. I started down the path of converting a nitro truggy to run electric and it started to get silly in terms of the fab, cash, and time I'd have to put into it. I bagged it and stuck a nitro engine in it, only to have compatibility problems with the dang nitro engine! :eek:

[Demon-TC3]

Well ive started a Nitro conversion to Nrushless - so far got the truggy, the esc and the motor.

will be custom making a new chassis, battery mounts, motor mounts and will buy in and harden gears...what else do i need?

[Chachi_RC]

See guys, I am all for these sweet conversions that everyone is doing, because they almost always seem to trun out awesome! I did look into doing a Revo conversion using the G2R chassis, Revo front and rear ends, and slapping in one of the HVMaxx set ups, but once I started pricing it, I could not get it under $1,000!!! Granted, I could spend $500 on a production version, and drop another $500 into upgrades, mods, batteries, etc, and I would be at the same total. But I just didn't see the value in doing a conversion. Well, without the wife taking my head!

Now, the draw back to this is that I am currently RC-less, and it is killing me! I am temped to buy a Stampede or Wheely King to play with in the mean time, but I know as soon as I do that, one of the big companies will come out with exactly what I have been dreaming of. It seems to work like that for me!

It just seems that with as many conversions and conversion companies there are, one of the big boys would jump into this ASAP. Look at the way the mini market was copy cat-ed! Even Radio Shack has a version of an RC18b and t!

[Demon-TC3]

Ive managed to do an entire conversion (wel am about to) for $600.00

Used a VTX St-1 truggy - $370.00
Feigao 9XL motor - $61 (from Ultimate hobbies)
and a Mamba max esc only $110 (From this forum)

so thats about $550 alltogether. i already have plenty of cells, and once the truck arrives - sell all the engine + radio gear for as much as i can - maybe another $150 - 200 in there and thats more than the money i need to do some machining.


(P.s - 9XL arrived today, that thing is HUGE!)

[RC 10 GT Nut]

I started out with electric cars when i first got into the hobby. How ever i now own a Revo 2.5R and a RC 10 GT. I did not care for the run time with electrics nor spending alot of money on batteries. Even with all the new technology that is coming out for the electric market I will still stick with nitro.

[TheoThonio]

I believe the only reason that electric hasn't completely replaced the internal combustion engine in scale automobiles is because the oil company tycoons will loose millions, upon billions, upon trillions of dollars in revenue. They don't give damn about the environment when it comes to their wallets. Some have even been known to purchase plans for a revolutionary concept vehicle that could revolutionize the auto industry only to scrap it so it will never be built and they can go on raising the price of their oil that's supplied to manufacture gasoline.

[Demon-TC3]

Wouldnt be the first time, I remember being told a guy designed a light bulb which was extremely efficient and that never burned out, what happened? Some light bulb company paid the guy a few million to keep quiet, bought the design and locked it up...

This sort of thing happens, just gota hope one day someone isnt bought out and does whats best for the environment.

[savage25le]

Wouldnt be the first time, I remember being told a guy designed a light bulb which was extremely efficient and that never burned out, what happened? Some light bulb company paid the guy a few million to keep quiet, bought the design and locked it up...

This sort of thing happens, just gota hope one day someone isnt bought out and does whats best for the environment.

they are sold at lows and home depot ;)

[Demon-TC3]

Really? wow didnt know, then again i heard this about 3 years ago so it was bound to get out eventually...

[savage25le]

ya there pretty cool, my mom picked up a bunch for our whole house. im not sure if they never burn out, but they are the energy efficient kind and last a really long time. if you go to one of those stores you can just ask for the energy efficient light bulbs.

[TheoThonio]

They're called Micro-flourescent or something like that. They will eventually replace any light buld with a heated fillament. Most claim to burn for 5 to 7 years. We've begun to replace them as the old bulbs go out in our house. Just as soon as we get them all done we'll moveback to the states, but my land lord will love me.

[Demon-TC3]

Oh yea, we use them throughout our house. but what i mean was something that NEVER bruned out - or close to.
Such a bulb would put manufacturers out of business, the energy efficient long lasting ones do burn out after 7 or so years (mine usually last 2 - 3) so there is still money in them.

[NitroTXT1]

i ran a revo conversion and it was real expensive and to powerful lol...just broke four tires on the first pull of the trigger setup

g2r graphite chassis
feigao 9xl
quark 125b esc wired up for dual batts
dual 3s 8000mah lipo's
hitec 645 for steering(was gonna get something bettter but sold the truck)
futaba t3pdf radio
more was gonna come but again sold it...lost interest because i was gonna be tearing up too much stuff...was fun while i had it though

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v481/JayEng/Revo%20Project/IMAG0389.jpg

[TheoThonio]

N.! I.! C.! E.!

[bxpitbull44]

Yeah, but brushless and lipo conversions cost maybe $600 or more? Im not sure about how much but they are expensive. And what about the 4-tec 3.3? Huh? that goes 70 out of the box, with upgrades i bet it could easily reach 100, and take a look at the last video on the video section on here, 100mph hpi car. But i know electrics can beat a nitro in top speed but what im saying is that electrics are kinda wimps. No screaming engines, no smell of exhaust, none of that good stuff. They may be faster in the long run but they aren't nearly as much of the car or truck as a nitro, if you know what im saying. I don't know exactly how to describe it but they are just different in a huge way. It might be just my opinion but nothing is as good as a nitro, i bash though so im not for speed. Just the torque and stuff is unbelieveable. I don't like all the new tecnology.

You are such a meatball. People only get caught up in the nitro hype because of the noise. People equate noise with power. Hate to bust your bubble ke-mo-sa-be, but all of that noise dont mean dick. Give me the whir of brushless dusting a nitro off the line, mid-track and on the top end. "errrrrrrrrrrrr click click (two speed shift) errrrrrrrrrrrrr" doesnt mean faster anymore.

[Demon-TC3]

A cheap 60$ brushless motor can put out 2.5 HP...no power u say?? :D

If your really that obsessed with the noise, record the engine noise, loop it and plug it into a small speaker / mp3 player combo in your Brushless :P


hehe, but think of it this way, that noise u love so much may be what causes your neighbors to drive over your truck (HAS happened to other people), so just because you like it, doesnt mean other people do.


As for the 4Tec going 100, No chance. (kph MAYBE) but not miles. to get 30Mph without allot of applied physics / maths is impossible, or at least not possible with just bolt on hop ups.

[SCHMACH]

could have just put in a hv-maxx 4.5 setup and you would be fine...but everybody wants to put the fastest motor in their truck and go ludacris speed

[Chachi_RC]

Did you hear about the "new" EMaxx with the EVX2 and some kind of "X" suspension? I don't have it, but in an ad inside the latest RCCA it shows this stuff. I think that it is posted on here some where, but I can't find it! I don't know how new it is, but there are some differences. Hmmmm....

[lordoftraxxas]

from what i got out of it his esc burnt out and he sent it to traxxas and they sent him this one
http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z56/lordoftraxxas/evx2.jpg

http://i192.photobucket.com/albums/z56/lordoftraxxas/evx22.jpg

[Chachi_RC]

Yeah, I saw that ^^^^, but I am talking about an ad on the back cover or inside the Sept. issue of RCCA for this new EMaxx. I think I saw a post on this thread that some one scanned in this ad, but I can't find it again!! Check you mag if you have it yet!

[Chachi_RC]

http://monster.traxxas.com/showthread.php?t=379061

Here is the thread on the Traxxas site that shows the add. Looks like same ol' EMaxx with a Traxxas version of EVX instead of a Novak based EVX. Don't get too excited! Not really a "new" EMaxx! Dang it!

[Chachi_RC]

OK, I haven't posted in this thread in a while, but I have a new theory about Traxxas and the EMaxx.

So now that they have come out with this EMaxx that has the EVX2 and the X-Rings in the shocks, I was thinking that this is like when they re-did the Ruslter/Bandit/Stampede platform with the XL5 speed control, new body, wheels, etc.

So, does that mean that in a few months down the road, they will introduce a Velineon version of an EMaxx?

XL5 Rustler/Bandit/Stampded = EMaxx with EVX2

Velineon VXL3 Rustler/Bandit/Stampede = Velineon EMaxx with VXL5???

Hmmmm, maybe I am on to some kind of pattern here! I sure hope so! You have to admit, it does sound logical, doesn't it? What do you think?

[Skyebird47]

Unlike most people I understand you Savage 100, Why do you upgrade a car to sound like a dragracer....BECAUSE ITS AWESOME..and in a nitro you have all of the characteristics of a real car so you get that behind the wheel of a racecar feeling when you drive it FOR A LOT LESS MONEY THAN A REAL RACECAR...so is what I'm trying to say is I agree, Savage100:)