Savage X 4.6 RTR VS. T-Maxx 3.3 RTR

[ev1er]

Which car is the best for bashing?
Thanks for all answars:D

[chukb]

Savage X

[c2s]

Savage. If you can get the kit building it is part of the fun.

[ericem]

savage. Offers alot more value now with those alum diffs and the bigger engine.

[Duster_360]

I've got a 2.5 and the older 4.6SS. No comparison, Savage hands down. the Savage is stronger, doesn't break anywhere near as often and is a better jumper.

[rossy99MGT]

is an MGT a good jumper?

also whats the procedure for jumping?
Accelerating off the ramp/bump and then letting go of acceleration??
Thanks

[ericem]

Very good I have one and when you jump over 10ft it lands very well planted with the stock wheels. Even when i messed up it still did not break.

A-arms seem very durable don't know what the point of RPM a-arms are, if your going to hit something that hard that it CAN crack thsoe a-arms i think its better the a-arms cracks, then my chassis bending. Stock hubs are good, wouldn't hurt to put a larger washer at the ends to make them even stronger.

[SerpentCT4S]

Go with the Savage, you wont be disappointed.

[Savage04]

i have the savage ss kit. but it was the first ss kit to come out from hpi. i have now put a wasp .26 in and the three speed and it holds up to just about anything i throw at it. only broken a few spur gears and only one differnential in three years. i am also able to beat the revo 3.3 most of the time. but definetley savage is the one to go with.

[SavageMan21]

No question.... Savage

[lordoftraxxas]

is an MGT a good jumper?

also whats the procedure for jumping?
Accelerating off the ramp/bump and then letting go of acceleration??
Thanks

i like to 3/4 throttle it to the ramp so i get it straight on and when im right there punch it. feather through air.

[hajile97]

I have both and I say you cant compare the two. One is a BB and the other small. They are both great trucks in their own right. My T-Maxx is durable and will last if you dont drive it like you stole it.

Savages are more durable than most other rc trucks out there not just the T-Maxx.

I say get one of each like I am doing and judge for yourself.

[savage25le]

well if you dont have 850 bucks to get both i would go with the savage i loved mine when i had it, could fire it up and bash all day. had to sell it though, i needed the money. i am trying to find a nice old 25 roller for cheap so i "restore" it if you will.

[rossy99MGT]

Yeah, about the MGT jumping, when on grass, its steering is terrible!! and half the time i manage to miss the ramp :( but that's probbably me. But the steering is seroiusly poor on grass, is there a cheap way of improving this?
:)

[rccardude04]

I'd like to 12th the savage. lol.
Got to see a 4.6 run today and WOW! PLENTY of power :D
Ya just can't go wrong with a savage.
-Eric

[savage25le]

eric, was it the x 4.6 rtr or the 4.6 ss? because if i cant find a good roller i will probably get the 4.6 rtr.

[ericem]

Yeah, about the MGT jumping, when on grass, its steering is terrible!! and half the time i manage to miss the ramp :( but that's probbably me. But the steering is seroiusly poor on grass, is there a cheap way of improving this?
:)

Well on the controller you know that thing to the left of the throttle trigger that you can spin??? That allows you to adjust the steering end point. Might not be set at 100%.

[PCC]

also whats the procedure for jumping?
Accelerating off the ramp/bump and then letting go of acceleration??
Thanks

What I typically do is to line up the truck about 40-50 feet away from the jump (open playground hitting a 3 foot wide plastic bicycle jump propped up on a mound of dirt) and roll the throttle into it, eventually getting full throttle after 10-15 feet. I then line it up to the ramp and let go of the throttle just as the truck hits the ramp. In the air you can give it throttle to bring the nose up or tap the brakes to bring the nose down so that the truck lands on its wheels. Tapping the brakes should be saved for the last few feet of flight as the nose comes down abruptly when you do this. You need to practice it to get it to do four point landings consistently. Also, if the ramp is steep enough you can go full throttle as you hit the top of the ramp and have your truck doing backflips. Just remember to time tapping on the brakes to bring it down on the wheels and not on the lid. It's a lot of fun if you don't break anything.

[rossy99MGT]

Uummm...yeah....do you recommend any good ways of practicing? I've done a few and i dont think the car will last much longer xP
When its a rough landing (landing on its side on the back wheel or something) the rod thing tends to pop out a lot, is that kind of normal...?

[PCC]

Start with baby jumps and keep increasing the jump distance progressively, practicing as you go. Having a soft landing spot helps, too.

[rossy99MGT]

So...grass should be fine right?
And when i take my glow plug out and put my glow starter on it, it is a dim orangey kind of colour. Does this mean it needs replacing?

[ericem]

Might mean your ignitor is low.

[PCC]

Grass is fine.

[Figit090]

how does the truck do in racing? can it compete with that engine? i know people race them but can you without too many mods from stock form?

[ericem]

how does the truck do in racing? can it compete with that engine? i know people race them but can you without too many mods from stock form?

I think the savage is a pretty disappointing racer. Takes quiete a bit of mods to be competitive.

[Figit090]

allright, thank you. that's what i figured, i've seen some racers (few) in pics but they were pretty decked out with all kinds of hop-ups...

[PCC]

If you want to race then get a truggy. The Savage (and Revo, for that matter) have a much higher center of gravity compared to a good truggy so handling will suffer. The Savage (and Revo) have long travel suspensions that are great for bashing but offer no real advantage on the race track. A buddy of mine has the Losi 8ight-T and he's run it into all kinds of things out on a makeshift track that is local to us. I think he broke a carrier for the first time this past weekend: the first thing he has broken on the thing and he's been taking it out almost every weekend to the same place and running it into the ground. Same guy also has the XRay XB8T but he hasn't run it, yet. If it is as rugged as my XB8 buggy then it should be a fairly tough truggy.

[chukb]

If you want to race then get a truggy.

yup.

[Figit090]

can someone enlighten me; what is there in a monster truck that a truggy doesn't have or can't do....

is it the ground clearance? the jumping? obstacle clearance?

before i saw my first race i thought...no way that a stock one of these will hold up very well to big-arsed jumpes like a MT will because MT's seem to have larger ground clearances...but then i saw them flopping down and slapping every jump and they obviously are built for it...

why even bother with a MT, if 1/8th truggies are so strong, agile, and fast...

my first guess would be scaling objects with the long-travel suspensions, but even truggies have pretty large tires and decent suspension movement...

[ericem]

I think a truggy can do pretty much what a monster truck can. Just you don't have as much ground clearance as you mentioned but plenty of suspension travel.

[Figit090]

allright. that's just makes future purchasing decisions a bit eaiser for me, thanks. it is kinda weird though if you think about it...i mean, what would you do with a nitro truck that a truggy can't do?

big rocks? can a truggy hop a curb? that's the one thing that comes to mind, curb hopping without some serious angle, since it's a flat plate of truck instead of a laddered design....

[ericem]

I go up curbs with hyper 7's (buggy) im sure a truggy could do it no problem. I remember i actually got up a 12in tall curb and it didn't even make a thump noise. So ill bet u could with a truggy :p

[Figit090]

a buggy did that?

well damn then what's the point of sacrificing all that low CG with a MT?

ride height? seriously though...lol...is there a point?

and by the way...12 inches? are you sure??....that's a REALLY TALL CURB. not to mention i cant even really see my t-maxx doing such a thing....unless it had significant slant to it....

[ericem]

a buggy did that?

well damn then what's the point of sacrificing all that low CG with a MT?

ride height? seriously though...lol...is there a point?

and by the way...12 inches? are you sure??....that's a REALLY TALL CURB. not to mention i cant even really see my t-maxx doing such a thing....unless it had significant slant to it....

I know it was soooooooooo weird. If i am at my friends house i will try again and see if i can get it on video.

[PCC]

can someone enlighten me; what is there in a monster truck that a truggy doesn't have or can't do....

is it the ground clearance? the jumping? obstacle clearance?

before i saw my first race i thought...no way that a stock one of these will hold up very well to big-arsed jumpes like a MT will because MT's seem to have larger ground clearances...but then i saw them flopping down and slapping every jump and they obviously are built for it...

why even bother with a MT, if 1/8th truggies are so strong, agile, and fast...

my first guess would be scaling objects with the long-travel suspensions, but even truggies have pretty large tires and decent suspension movement...

You have to realize that truggies were born from buggies. Buggies are supposed to be off-road racing cars, pure and simple. It would only be logical that a truggy is a racing truck.

Think about this for a second. Racing buggies aren't designed to run pull-start or Roto-Start engines or any variation on that theme. You have to run a pullstart or Roto-Start engine on a Savage, no if's ands or but about it. There's almost no other way to start the engine in a Savage (and is the number one reason I have given up on my Savage, BTW). Now, let me ask you a question. What is the most powerful pullstart or Roto-Startable engine you can find in a .21 engine size (legal racing size)? A typical racing bigblock engine is not available as a pullstart or have provisions to put one on it. A well set up buggy with a good engine will come up to speed quicker and about as fast, top-speed wise as a two-speed Savage.

Okay, so we have straight line speed covered, how about handling? On a really rough track I would take the long travel suspension any day but most tracks are smooth enough that a truggy should have no problems handling it. Not only that but the center of gravity, even with the Savage set up with the same amount of ground clearance as a truggy, will be a lot higher on a Savage. Look at the Savage design, it places the engine on a platform about 1 inch above the lowest point on the chassis. The receiver pack, steering servo, throttle servo, receiver, and fuel tank are even higher at about 2.5 inches. Everything on a truggy is right on the chassis plate and they even lay down the throttle and steering servos to lower the center of gravity even more. Because the engine doesn't need to be raised to clear a pullstart they can mount that even lower, even cutting out part of the chassis to sink the engine into it to lower it a few more millimeters. Truggies normally run a center differential and this helps handling, too. And they design truggies with the heavy components centered so that the polar moment of inertia is low so that the truck turns quicker (grab a gallon of milk in each hand and put your hands out at arm's length then try to turn around. Now hold the two gallons next to your body and do the same thing, it's a whole lot easier with the weight pulled in, same concept here). Even the Revo has a higher center of gravity than a proper truggy.

Then there's weight. A truggy weighs about 9 pounds while a Savage weighs about 13. Lighter = quicker in every way: acceleration, cornering, stopping but lighter means that it will not be as smooth on a rough surface.

If you ever see a Savage or Revo blow past a truggy on a track it was because either the driver was schooled by a more experienced driver or his setup was just whacked. Equal drivers and setup will see the truggy being faster for the reasons I listed above.

Monster trucks like Savages, Revos, and T-Maxxes are here to stay and are perfect for bashing. All that suspension travel is great for landing crazy jumps and things. That's why I own a Savage and a Revo and not a proper truggy (though I own a buggy).

[Figit090]

beautiful explanation. thank you so soo soooo much! I'm tempted to get a truggy after all this and probably will after i get a job.

do you know what the highest/longest of jumps truggies can realistically handle on a somewhat regular basis? i always hear about 20ft jumps and all that... (that is distance right?) and buggies/truggies seem to slap the ground pretty well when they hit....so i assume past a certain point stuff just starts to break/bend, but seeing as how i never guessed a 1/8th scale or 1/10th scale could catch some really decent air and slap without problems, its not exactly easy to guess what they CAN take. the best i've seen is the norm during a race i went to a couple years back.. i dont get to see anything buy my t-maxx that often...lol. but i'll start to go to the local races now that we have a track...

[ericem]

bet it could handle 50FT++++ 100's FT but it will bottom out just like any vehicle, which is perfectly fine.

[PCC]

The whole thing with the flat pan chassis is that it is intended to be landed on. They designed it that way so that long suspension travel isn't necessarily needed. No need for skids here.

With my XB-8 buggy I was getting something like 50-75 feet of distance and about 15 feet vertically. We were doing this over and over again and finally quit when I stripped out the clutchbell.

[hajile97]

?? Savage x vs T Maxx 3.3......looks like the Savage wins. I have one and it is a beast of a truck and I like it a little better than the T-Maxx but I love em both.......

decide for urself man...most posts on this thread isnt even talking about the topic u started.......go figure.....

Savage X 4.1 - Good
Savage X 4.6 - GREAT

[bxpitbull44]

The Savage is a great truck, sucks when it comes to racing. I had one of the most hopped up Savages around and sold it for pennies because I wanted to race at my local track. I now regret that! I have a Hot Bodies Lightning and it is fast and all that, but if you want brute power that can pretty much smash anything in front of it, go with a Savage. I am looking to get rid of my truggy to get another Savage and will never look back. If you are a fan of Monster Jam, then forget a truggy, go with a beast...get a Savage!

[Skyebird47]

About the truggy vs Mt thing. an MT also has more suspinsion travel and it has......well thats about it ...Why did you want a monster truck to race anyway? There abasher kind of rc anda truggy is just a racier form of a Monster truck so....If you like team losi their Muggy might be good. Or if you really do want a monster truck then theres also the LST2!!!!!

[ev1er]

The LST 2 is more expensive, and my LHS, don't have it!.

[Monsterbrad]

Save your money buy the Losi LST and don't look back.
These 2 are toys compared to the LST.
I have had them all and the LST is the best all around RC monster money can buy.
They are pricey to get into but you will not be sorry!:wave: have a nice day

[Skyebird47]

LST is the best all around monster money can buy
I agree totaly;)