Sportwerks Chaos 1:16 buggy

[stanmondz]

i just got one off ebay should be here in a few days, what do i need to watch out for on these little cars? what parts do i need to stock up on?

[evst 360]

watch out for the differential outdrives. All of them. It's only a friction fit, and they will slip, usually giving you front wheel drive. I haven't yet found a good solution to it, tried drilling a tiny hole and putting a thin wire in there (rear diff input), only to have the wire missing after I ran it. Also the screws that hold the knuckles into the c-hubs come loose easily. Also, its a 1 needle carb, so tuning is relevant to the speeds you are going (high speed requires it rich, low speed requires it lean). I also found that the engine needs a good amount of priming before it starts.

[stanmondz]

would it be posible to glue/JBweld the drive cups in? what are they made out of?

[ericem]

wow never heard of that problem. Was going to buy one. Still will probably for $95 on ebay shipped don't see why not.

Don't see why JB weld wouldn't work. Heck you could get a screw probably just drill the hole a tad bit smaller.

[rccardude04]

A pin should work but can you put the pin through where the bearing would help hold it in?
If not, wrap it around the axle after you've pushed it through.
-Eric

[stanmondz]

same thing im thinking, got mine for 73.00 shipped. there going fast there was about 10 the day before yesterday down to a couple now. someone has the little picco P-0 for $55 shipped

[ericem]

From that hopmeup guy? His shipping to Canada is $25! I want to buy it but I am investing the money to buy it at the moment.

[stanmondz]

yeah thats him

[marca]

I got a local guy who bought one and put in a picco p-zero.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=UgY2mwv91v4 heres the vid....sounds like cats fighting :p

forgot to add......one is stock....pretty obvious which one lol

[ironoutlaw]

wow that is cheap i know that horizon had a deal last month if you bought 100 they were 90.00 each and if you bought 200 they were 70.00 for hobbie shops thats probualy why they are so cheap but they are still cool in my opinion

[stanmondz]

got it today,havent tuned it yet, i don't like the 1 tank brake in, im going to put a few through it just cause thats how i like to do it. seems like it will be a fun little car. couple questions though. what can i do to keep the airfilter from interfearing with the throttle?it wont let it return to idle with the body on, gotta tap the brakes to go to idle, what about the diff, what oil/ grease to put in em?

[ericem]

Set your throttle idle point more on the brake side thats all. Also I don't think the differentials are sealed. I will check though.

[ericem]

Looked at the exploded view don't see any o-rings. :(

[stanmondz]

no there not sealed, gotta do grease, also the shocks only come half full

[ericem]

no there not sealed, gotta do grease, also the shocks only come half full

Been reading around some people say no fluid in the shocks. So the fact that you have something is pretty good. Just fill them up.

[stanmondz]

aleardy did
any know a ballpark engine temp for these little engines?

[zepplin]

so the big question, with the "problems" ive been reading about, is it worth it to buy one? And if I do, should i get the picco p.o .06 engine?

[ericem]

Only big problem is the diff. I guess as long as you run the stock motor your fine. When you jump up to a trx 3.3 or os .18 then you have a problem LOL

[stanmondz]

from what iv read so far the P-zero will trash the diffs very fast, theres got to be some metal gear diff parts out there that will fit it.
i think the problem with the diffs is related to the fact that its a buggy, and some people think its as tough as its big brother the 1/8th buggy, im going to get a set of gears anyway, im already thinking about pulling the engine apart and modding it.

what about locking the diffs? maybe some 100K diff oil,or JB weld. how would the affect handling?

[ericem]

Maybe lock the center differential? Should wheelie then as well! I wouldn't lock the front and rear differentials. 100k oil might leak out? I think using that locking putty would be best. I heard mini inferno differential parts work. This car can honestly be the cheaper alternative to a mini crt.

[stanmondz]

we have stripped diff cups,and a broken antena tube, i pulled the off cleaned everything up good and smashed the JB weld to em, just a little bit. waiting for new one to come. i have a shop close the deals with the mini inferno, ill go see what the diffs look like
pulled the engine apart, man is it tiny, i dont have anything small enough to work on modding it, nothing wild just a sleeve P&P

[ericem]

Supposedly the mini inferno aluminum differential cups work. Already eh lol. Is it cold outside though?

[stanmondz]

yeah they will fit, except for the brake side of the center diff, still would like steal diff gears though, my LHS cant get these are the ones they say will work
http://www.thetoyz.com/cart/thetoyz_details.lasso?id=6494&cat_name=MINI%20INFERNO

[ericem]

Ya and like you said the brake side won't work. Which one broke anyway? The ones for the center diff? or the differentials?

[stanmondz]

one of the rears is slipping alittle, i went in a little further today and im missing one of the pins that the wheel hex sits on. i think thats causing most of my slippage, im gonna run it in a little bit and see what happens

[ericem]

How are they held on?

[stanmondz]

wheel hexxes? like a 1/10th scale the pin gose through the axle the the hex slides over it wheel nut holds it all on, my wheel came loose enough to let it fall out i guess

[ericem]

I mean the drive cups.

[stanmondz]

the diff shafts are flat on two sides and rounded on the other two sides, the cups slide on and a screw gose through the center of the cup into the diff shafts, im thinking about getting a small pen drill and drilling some holes and using a screw kinda like how the drive shafts are held on on the older rustlers, i think that would work the best.(other than a full steel diff)
my take onr the inferno drive cups, with a steal cup and a plastic input on the diff itself, i think the diff would strip where the two meet. same proble different place

[ericem]

Exactly! I still can't beleive no one has found a steel diff alternative.

[stanmondz]

this wont help the diff problem,but it will give more wheel and tire options. what you need
rc18 stub axles
the little pins that go in the back of the wheel
your choich of wheel/tire combos for any of the rc18 series.
you have to use the rc18 axles because the wheels for these cars are
thicker, and the pins are shorter
im still tring to find a dealer localy for kyosho, to check out the diff gears

[Mini-TBasher55]

I see them everywhere for $100, I couldn't believe it. Might end up picking one up

[stanmondz]

there a fun little car

[dacemaxx111]

I Had A Guy Come By My House And Buy A 1/8 Scale Buggy From Me And Brought One Of These Mini Chaos It Was Brand New Never Even Been Ran And My Four Year Old Boy Just Couldn't Keep His Hands Off Of It.so The Guy Gave It To Him.i Put A New On/off Switch,a 5cell 6v Aaa Pack From My Mini Crt.5(works Perfect) And A Jr Xr3 Fm Radio In It Even Before I Have Started It.i Do Have A Question What Fuel And Nitro %are You Guys Using In This Car? I Use Byrons 20% In All My Nitros,is This Ok? Corey

[stanmondz]

should be fine with 20%, i run odonnal 30% race in mine, you got a link to the battery pack?

[dacemaxx111]

i bought the pack on a ebay r/c battery store.it is a 5 cell 6v AAA 900 mah sanyo cells.cost me 32 dollars.http://stores.ebay.com/double-l-trading_W0QQssPageNameZstrkQ3amefsQ3amesstQQtZkm

[xjqkz]

how much do these run a pop?

[stanmondz]

the cars? ebay less than 100 bucks all day long

[xjqkz]

that pretty decent.... i wanna get one for my wife so that she doesn't feel left out when i'm all running mine. I think it will be pretty cool gift for valentine ?
'cause she is pretty competitive!

[ericem]

here it is

http://cgi.ebay.com/SPORTWERKS-CHAOS-1-16TH-4WD-NITRO-BUGGY-RTR-NIB_W0QQitemZ290206235682QQihZ019QQcategoryZ19168Q QtcZphotoQQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[xjqkz]

cool! thanx dude!

[stanmondz]

new body i painted for it
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/stanmondz/DSC03762.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/stanmondz/DSC03763.jpg

[xjqkz]

good paint job dude!

[stanmondz]

got it tuned, seems to like a o.s R5 plug with 30%,temps are running 235 to 245, ported the little sleeve. im gonna puul the crank and rod out this weekend and work it some. its going to see some track time this weekend to. see how tough it is

[stanmondz]

i beat it pretty good today, only thing i broke was the front part of the body that gose between the shock towers. no broke or stripped diffs, drve cups or ring and pinions. im impressed with it

[ericem]

Now I am so excited! ;)

https://em.canadapost.ca/emo/basicPin.do?trackingId=CJ277792385US&trackingCode=PIN&action=query&language=en&scloc=segment

It is to late to go by the post office now :( Oh well tomorrow :)

[stanmondz]

i got the mini inferno wheels and tires for mine much better

[ericem]

Yay!! This is so awesome. I love this car really. The size is awesome. I just idled it and reved it a bit its decently quiet. Looks well built. I did notice one thing though. The front dog bones can pop out of the hubs when turning. Marca told me to just put a piece of fuel line there. That worked best to keep the dog bone in place. Other then that very satisfied. I could only idle it because I am waiting for my dad to come home with some AAA's. Took bad can't fit a RX pack, maybe on the outside though. Oh well I will see how AAA's go. I am running a failsafe hopefully it's enough power.

Here are some pics of mine :)

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/ericem/Rc%20cars/sportwerksmini001.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/ericem/Rc%20cars/sportwerksmini002.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/ericem/Rc%20cars/sportwerksmini004.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/ericem/Rc%20cars/sportwerksmini007.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/ericem/Rc%20cars/sportwerksmini012.jpg

[stanmondz]

when you put you batteries in make sure the slots they go in are facing up and down. they will fall out when you start banging around good, you may have a binding problem when you put the body with the air filter and throttle linkage. hows yours idle? mine sucks, cutting the fuel line works, but it wont have enough fuel for full throttle, make sure the wheels stay tite, the pins will fall out

[ericem]

I tightened up every screw on the truck. Idles really nicely no high reving. I left my fuel line but ran it under the linkage for fuel supply to the engine and for pressure line ran it over the linkage. I pushed the air filter back close to the motor. I did notice the body hits something. Doesn't seem to be touching the linkage though. I had to mount my failsafe on the outside as well. I really want to get a rechargeable pack. I am going to find possibly a telephone battery.

Thanks for giving me the heads up on the receiver AAA's. I think I will put a tie wrap around it then and do what you said. Not sure how I am going to setup a return spring with this.

[marca]

I tightened up every screw on the truck. Idles really nicely no high reving. I left my fuel line but ran it under the linkage for fuel supply to the engine and for pressure line ran it over the linkage. I pushed the air filter back close to the motor. I did notice the body hits something. Doesn't seem to be touching the linkage though. I had to mount my failsafe on the outside as well. I really want to get a rechargeable pack. I am going to find possibly a telephone battery.

Thanks for giving me the heads up on the receiver AAA's. I think I will put a tie wrap around it then and do what you said. Not sure how I am going to setup a return spring with this.

YAY!!! you got it! a telephone bat should work but it would be hard to find a 6.0V one.

[stanmondz]

i found this on anther fourm, THIS IS NOT MY DESIGN
say to take apart a 2/3 A flat pack and reassemble it like this
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/stanmondz/battery.jpg

[ericem]

Hmm thats interesting. Still doesn't look like it will fit though. It really would have been nice if they made the receiver side and battery side one whole thing. This way I could fit a hump pack.

I am going to just try 4 AAA's and see how it goes. Can't be THAT bad. They are micro servo's so ya.

I plan on doing another order on a-main. Getting some slicks and the yellow spoked sportwerks wheels. $20 for the wheels and rims. They should look pretty sweet.

[stanmondz]

the triple A's work fine. i may take mine to batteries plus and see if they can come up with a pack to fit it

[xjqkz]

My AAA rechargeables were falling out also so I just wrapped a zip tie wrapped around it and its been working like a charm!

[xjqkz]

Yay!! This is so awesome. I love this car really. The size is awesome. I just idled it and reved it a bit its decently quiet. Looks well built. I did notice one thing though. The front dog bones can pop out of the hubs when turning. Marca told me to just put a piece of fuel line there. That worked best to keep the dog bone in place. Other then that very satisfied. I could only idle it because I am waiting for my dad to come home with some AAA's. Took bad can't fit a RX pack, maybe on the outside though. Oh well I will see how AAA's go. I am running a failsafe hopefully it's enough power.

What's a failsafe?

[marca]

What's a failsafe?

a fail safe is a small piece of electronic that is at attached to the throttle servo. Its purpose is to automatically hit the break and lock if radio signal is lost or if it detects a low battery or even a low radio signal. If you dont have one i STRONGLY recommend u get one. the last thing u need is a run away nitro at full throttle. here the one I use http://www3.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXHUH6&P=ML

[z-man280]

Okay, I have been reading tis tread ( Thanks Stanmondz) and it might be time to break down and get one. For the price of a few hop-ups, its a good buy to say the least. Failsafe for sure, how is room in there for a throttle return spring tho? can i get some close body-off's from someone please?


Ron~

[ericem]

OK drove mine since I got back from school. Outstanding vehicle. Only thing I did was reroute the fuel line today (will post pics of the reroute later). Now it works perfectly. I am really surprised how quick this thing is. Once you get it leaned out and all it really screams. Doesn't need more then 3 tanks to break in. It is not a tight engine. Starts on first pull, fast, durable, jumps awesome. made a 2ft tall snow ramp. Had a few bad landings but nothing broke. also keep in mind it is like -10C outside. SO IMO if you want the drivetrain to stay durable keep the stock motor. ;) I am 100% satisfied with my purchase. I also bought some new wheels. The AAA's work great as well. I am surprised these servo's have such good punch braking and steering wise. Good job Sportwerks!!

[z-man280]

you EVIL people!!!!!!


Just snagged on off Fleabay for $64.95:D:D:D

look for a Z-man review soon!

[ericem]

yay!!

[stanmondz]

heres the body off pics i tried heating the airfilter tube to bend it and messed it up, no its not a hole,just a crease
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/stanmondz/DSC03845.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/stanmondz/DSC03846.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/stanmondz/DSC03847.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/stanmondz/DSC03848.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/stanmondz/DSC03849.jpg

[z-man280]

thanks man,..

do i see a SCREW on cap! HAHAHAHA! cool

[stanmondz]

yep 1/4 turn, flip top is a hop up for it

[z-man280]

got a linky for hop-ups?

[stanmondz]

http://stores.ebay.com/HopMeUp
amain has some to

[ericem]

This is all I need?

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_info.php/cPath/1_25_812/products_id/20452

Thank goodness it is available!! LMAO i needed to remove my body everytime to fill up. I played with this thing for so many hours and still my fuel bottle is full. It is so awesome I love this car. I might even sell my 1/8th scale cars. I am really surprised.

[stanmondz]

the cap dose'nt really bother me to much

[ericem]

This is how I rerouted the fuel line.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/ericem/Rc%20cars/sw001.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/ericem/Rc%20cars/sw002.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/ericem/Rc%20cars/sw003.jpg

[stanmondz]

i cut mine down to about a inch, i gotta copy yours,

LOOKY WHAT I BUILT TODAY. its a 5cell AAA nimh pack i built 2. i did have to cut the inside of the battery/ reciver box some, and the 4 cell holder is hard wired into the switch. so i had to cut the holder wires and solder a plug on. my first charge on the 1 of the new packs got close to 400 mah gonna cycle em both and my capacity should get better. best of all the cell i got local and they are only .99 cent each, and the guy at batteries plus give me a foot of shrink wrap and about 15/20 battery tabs, i got 2 more AAA's for my kids mp3 player for a grand total of $12.71
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/stanmondz/DSC03857.jpg
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/stanmondz/DSC03858.jpg

[z-man280]

sweet mod Stan.

okay, so tick tock goes my waiting on mine,......are you guys having serious diff issues? all i hear is bad diffs, stripped diffs, ect. Makes me wonder if i need to do a tear-down and inspect before i run it

[stanmondz]

only problem iv had with mine, i caused. i beat it pretty good at the track weekend before last and it came home fine

[z-man280]

I actualyl heard stories of the diffs stripping during break-in on a stand....something tells me there was a serious defect somewhere!!!! This was a LHS break-in as well. How's the recoil hold up?

[stanmondz]

no problems as of yet, even fresh ,the engine is not tight at all
heres a pic of the diff gears, all four spider gears and the cross shaft on a quarter, the side gear is off to the side. the outdrive and side gears are 1 peice
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/stanmondz/DSC03817.jpg

[stanmondz]

i just finished the 3rd cycle and i got 491 mah

[z-man280]

Hey Stan..Harbor Frieght & Tools- just bought 4 NiMH "AAA"'s 700 Mah, $5.99


figure that should work.

[ericem]

Definitely does work :)

[gdoggy1678]

hey guys might get one of these little suckers some day. They look FUN!! Really nothing to worry about since everything is so cheap. How much runtime do you get on one tank?

[ericem]

seems like over 12minutes.

[stanmondz]

sounds about right

[stanmondz]

i did'nt take any pics but i ported the little sleeve to, did'nt help much down low but higher RPM is a good bit better, im going to take my kids to the ball feild tomorrow, ill try a remember to shoot some vids

[ericem]

Do you notice the car is still moving a bit even at really low idle?? I think my clutch springs are broken and that is why it has crappy acceleration. After it gets rolling it flies.

[stanmondz]

mine seems ok

[ericem]

Took out the motor. Everything looks good. I am so surprised to see EVERY metal to metal screw locktited on the motor also the engine mounts. Just amazing. Shouldn't be surprising since it was made in Japan though(the motor) ;) Didn't find any broken clutch springs. Just the clutch bearing I guess doesn't offer enough support nor does it roll as well as a normal bearing. It basically looks like a one way bearing. I just put some white lithium grease on it. That seemed to make it more smooth. I also tightened up the tie wraps on the exhaust coupler.

[stanmondz]

my homemade rx pack seems to be working pretty good.
i think its called a cage rollor bearing or some thing like that. i had one in my rs4, it was a crappy little think. cleaning and a good bath in wd40 would work on mine finaly got tired of it and replaced it with a decent set

[z-man280]

:D:D:D:D:D:D

http://i100.photobucket.com/albums/m8/z-man280/Chaos.jpg

[MrCrash]

Nice! Those have always looked like fun :)

[z-man280]

$64.99 :D

Soon as weather breaks, i will do a full review on this, and as you all know, I dont pull punches. If its worth a darn, i will let ya know , and if it isnt, I will for sure!!!

[gdoggy1678]

its now only 89.99 at amain hobbies :D :D

[ericem]

Got a video in the snow today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qWjb8_aWX3M

The snow was very light so it gets stuck easily.

[ericem]

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/ericem/Rc%20cars/02292008001.jpg

[stanmondz]

the last minute of this video is my chaos taking a beating on the track
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=muBWkzelzhA

[Quinton]

Thinking about getting one to "replace" my ole Mamba rc18t.

[FESTER2004]

stan,is that track in the back of your house?its a sweet set up

[stanmondz]

i wish, its about a hour north of me
went up yesterday. had a great turnout,only broke 2 of my cars
2 buggies
3 maxx's
2 revos
2 8 T's
some kind of old tamiya buggy( didnt ask what it was
my e pede
my e evader
the chaos(trashed 2 diffs)
onroad guys had a small race
and a couple brushless oval cars

[ericem]

lol trashed 2 diffs?? Sure you didn't just break the diff cups and think the diff gave up? I broke 2 rear diff cups XD

[Quinton]

Are the diffs and cups the weak links on these?
I ordered one to mess with. :)

What aluminum parts will drop right in the chaos?
What other wheels will fit without mods?
Any links?
Thanks!

[ericem]

I would say just the diff cups only at the moment. Just get spares only $3. Or just get CA glue I CA glued my broken ones lmao.

[ericem]

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/ericem/Rc%20cars/GEDC0269.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/ericem/Rc%20cars/GEDC0268.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/ericem/Rc%20cars/GEDC0267.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/ericem/Rc%20cars/GEDC0266.jpg
http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/ericem/Rc%20cars/GEDC0265.jpg

These wheels rock and the GPM aluminum hexes for $3 were definitely worth it. I tried them out much better grip and the brakes work perfect now!

[marca]

It almost looks like a small tonka truck the yellow rims :p

[ericem]

LOL ya somewhat. These wheels look alot better in motion because it matches part of the body.

[stanmondz]

yeah 2 diffs, center is locked down dont know whats up with the rear yet, hav'nt took it apart yet

[ericem]

hmm. When I locked my center diff I broke 3 diff cups the braking 1 and 2 rear's.

[Quinton]

Where did you get the adapters and wheels?
What r/c are they made for?
Thanks!

[ericem]

I got the wheels here choose your colour :D

http://www.rcxmini.com/product_info.php?products_id=1505

http://www.rcxmini.com/index.php?cPath=112_136

[Quinton]

The adapters/hex's look like they are the same we use for sedans. So I would think I could slip on a set of my sedan hex's and then run my sedan tires if I wanted to. You think?
Thanks

[ericem]

The hex's are only 8mm. The ones that came with the wheels though are just a TINY bit smaller. like .78mm. The stock hexes didn't work I am sure I could have forced them but I bought the aluminum ones anyways. The wheels come with them but I prefer the aluminum ones because you can just tighten them down till it gets difficult.

[ericem]

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/ericem/Rc%20cars/GEDC0270.jpg

[Quinton]

Hmm, I can't remember what size sedan hex's are?

At least now I know what I can get if I want to, in order to upgrade it some.

I don't PLAN (but I usually don't) to do any major mods to it. I would like to keep 1 of my r/c's stock for once. lol
But a faster engine sounds like a nice upgrade for only $40. ;)

[ericem]

hehe perfect! :D

http://cgi.ebay.com/OFNA-51119-PICCO-P-0-06-ci-ENGINE-SPORTWERKS-CHAOS-RTR_W0QQitemZ290212600966QQihZ019QQcategoryZ44028Q QcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

or for $10 less if you have a bumpstarter that you think will work.

http://cgi.ebay.com/OFNA-51118-PICCO-P-0-06-ci-ENGINE-SPORTWERKS-CHAOS-RTR_W0QQitemZ280207325118QQihZ018QQcategoryZ44028Q QcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp1742.m153.l1262

[stanmondz]

ok i tore into it, i did'nt kill the diffs. center locked up cause a drive cup came loose shifted the rotor aruond and cocked off to the side, rear, stripped cup. i had a peice of leaf that was clicking in a wheel
iv talked my self out of the picco twice, may happen this time:D

[ericem]

See the diffs seem good quality to me. Just the damn drivecups. The front diff has no lube on the ring and pinion the rear has white lithium grease I will look at the wear after a couple of tanks and compare. Both diffs looked like brand new after many tanks when i looked.

[stanmondz]

iv been through 2 pinions a set of diff gears and 3 drive cups. they got ca glue thid time

[ericem]

CA glue works best I think. When did you notice the major components breaking after you locked center diff?

[Quinton]

stanmondz - what wheels/tires are you running? I saw your pic with the white spoked wheels.

[stanmondz]

mine are'nt locked. the drive cup caused the center diff to lock up
kyosho mini inferno wheels and tires, dont remember the name and part #
decent tires make a world of difference on the little guy

[z-man280]

still no breakage with my center diff locked....maybe I'm blessed.

[Quinton]

stan - did you have to get those adapters too?

[ericem]

Stan these are the wheels you got right?

http://cgi.ebay.com/Kyosho-Mini-Inferno-X-Pattern-White-Rims-tires-Wheels_W0QQitemZ170200985185QQihZ007QQcategoryZ340 61QQtcZphotoQQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

[jessnlaurie]

$64.99 :D

Soon as weather breaks, i will do a full review on this, and as you all know, I dont pull punches. If its worth a darn, i will let ya know , and if it isnt, I will for sure!!!


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[stanmondz]

thats the wheels, but the tires are more a block patteren, no my stock adapters work just fine. let me see if i can get a decent pic of em

[stanmondz]

http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/stanmondz/DSC03910.jpg

[ericem]

Those rims look sweet!

[stanmondz]

hey jessnlaurie, the review is here
http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/showthread.php?t=246198

thanks eric

[Quinton]

I'm not seeing your exact wheels/tires on ebay right now stan?

Do they make a larger CB for these? The vids I've seen, sound like they are rapped out pretty high. I'd like to use some of that for more top speed.

Could one of you make a list of the needed upgrades please?
Thanks!

[ericem]

There isn't really any. Just get spare drive cups. When you get the new wheels they are larger as well. If you upgrade the motor to a picco then you can gear it up but with the stocker i would leave it. IMO seems to struggle off the line.

I think any 1/10th scale clutch bell works though like from a RC10GT.

[stanmondz]

i may get a couple different C/B's just to see, the case seems to be about the same size as a .12/.15 so the 1/10th c/b's should work

[Quinton]

Are the mini inferno wheels a little bigger than the chaos wheels?

And I can use the stock wheel hex's?
Thanks

[ericem]

With the wheels I got I can if I force them in. I just use the aluminum ones like I said because I can tighten them down till they are tight.

[Quinton]

order up!
rcboyz - yellow spokes with micro blocks! :)
Can't wait to try'em out!

[stanmondz]

yhere bigger diamater, i have no problem with the stock hexes with mine

[Quinton]

I got the same ones as you stan but in yellow so they should work once they come in - chaos should be here tomorrow!

[stanmondz]

cool, they bit pretty good for such a light car
someone needs to make a GA red clay colored wheel

[Quinton]

Got it. Shocks are either full extension or full compression. lol Time to open them up and fill. Going to drop in some ARO and then break in however the manual suggests since it's a nickel plated engine (if I remember right after reading Eric's review on another r/c site).

I think I might put the radio on my little boys Stampede since the trigger is so close to grab; it would be easier for his little hands.

Anyone cut a hole in the body? I think I'll try a small air filter, like what's on my 1/10 sedan. I would think it would help the engine breathe much better...

Do the AAA's last very long?

Has anyone tried filling the diffs with diff fluid?

[stanmondz]

you will have to cut the body to get a diffferent filter to work
the AAA's do pretty good, a couple pages back i posted pics of a rechargable 5 cell AAA pack i built, little trimming inside the radio bax and cutting the 4 cell holder off and soldering a plug on, and your good to go.
i got my batteries at Batteries plus, i got 12 aaa's to build 2 packs and 2 batteries for my little girls mp3 player, the guy gave ne a hand full of bars(cheap tin ones) and more the enough heat shrink for $12 and change.there 650 mah and last for a couple days bashing

[ericem]

If your talking about me the Eric on RCU isn't me lmao. I get alot of people asking if that's me. I just ran 3 tanks slowly. These engines are not tight at all. Although they do gain compression after a few tanks. I just bought these. I needed AA's for some other stuff already have rechargeables in my radio. The AAA's I hope work well. Alkelines worked well just sucks having to spend money to replace them.

I was going to do what stan did but after my last battery pack I made IMO wasn't worth the hassle. Mainly because my $200 soldering iron sucks!! !!

I figured for the $14 shipped its a good deal.

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=270217896495&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT&ih=017

[Quinton]

No, I wasn't infering it was you. I've known Eric for quite a few years thru email - from back in the Traxxas days before he started doing reviews. Good guy!
Thanks for the link. I might have to check those prices against Walmart. Never have bought recharge AA's and a charger. If I like this buggy, I may just go that way.

How does the speed compare on these?
I've got a Stampede, hopped up Yokomo GT-4, fast Savage and Losi Shock to compare it to. Any idea? If it could keep up with my MT's for the short distance I'd be more than happy! :)

Should be fun hearing the wee-little engine sound all pisd off this weekend. LOL

[stanmondz]

i use a $14.00 pencle tourch with a pin point soldering tip for my packs
got it at home depot, uses butane
http://i38.photobucket.com/albums/e113/stanmondz/DSC03861.jpg

[Quinton]

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_info.php/cPath/1_61_127/products_id/18752

[stanmondz]

my sons evader with a 27T stock motor (tower hobbies speed secret) can give me a run for my money on rough terrian, but on a smooth surface, its all mine, oh yeah, iv ported my sleeve a little to

[stanmondz]

thats what i built lower capacity though

[ericem]

For $14 thats a bargain. Just sucks that I spent $200 on this one. I tried cleaning it, works for a bit, also use that stuff like a grease you put at the end forgot the name, but it just gets dirty right away the tip. When the light flashes its suppost to mean its up to temp, but then you go tap solder nothing happenes if you sand it for a bit will work for like a minute. Even running low heat same thing happens! It has temperature control on it. I am going to call Weller the company of this unit

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/ericem/hosting/solder001.jpg

[stanmondz]

this little torch has replaced my sawzall as my farorite tool
it has a heat blowe,r 3 solder tips that screw into the blower,and a hot knife. i even soldered the ez start wire onto the broken off termanal on the motor with very little melting of the plastic around it

its called flux

[ericem]

YES! flux lol. You know what thats pretty convienient think it could preheat a motor?? at $14 that's nothing then, but how long does the tank last?

[stanmondz]

i used it for the first start up on my new 3.3:D i only went to 130 degrees and started to worry about the fuel lines and tank
i filled it up and light it when i started building my 2 chaos packs, let it heat up soldered all my bars on and the plugs on both packs, it started to die out while i was shrik wrapping them, i had to refill to wrap the second pack. left it on the whole time, except for when i was zip tieing my second set of batteries togather, the butane only like 2.50 a can. still got half the first can left and iv solder al kinds of stuff, shrink warp and heating stuff up. get one you WILL LOVE IT, and it has 4 heat settings

I need to do a reveiw on it, ill light it up tomorrow and see how long it will run on a fill up

[Quinton]

Ran a couple tanks thru it this evening. It's built about like an XTM R/C - parts are "spongy".
It's leaking quite abit of fuel from somewhere, unless it's just leaking out the stinger and running along the chassis?
Can't get the CB and spur to mesh very well. I have the engine as close as I can to the spur (limited by the motor mount screws).
I need new motor mount screws, as the stock ones suck.
When I let off the gas it feels like there's alot of drag on the drivetrain. It slows itself down like an electric (brake isn't dragging either).
And my brake lever came out. Can't see how it just back just yet...

Advice?
Thanks

[ericem]

Well the linkage sucks, i found my brake was engaging when I went full throtle. I figured it out though. Aimed my air filter the other way, redid my fuel line because it was rubbing against the spur and clutch bell so it broke the fuel line and created a big mess and air leak. Also the stock wheels don't have foam so they don't roll very well the begin with. Look for a spare set screw and place it back in the top.

http://i81.photobucket.com/albums/j202/ericem/Rc%20cars/sw002.jpg

With the new wheels its alot faster. Now I want heavier clutch springs the clutch is always engaged! I don't know if the clutch bearing design sucks or if its the clutch springs are to light. They aren't broken though.

I know what you mean with the spur gear mesh I had the same issue I had to fiddle around with it, and just set it as close as possible and that was it.

[Quinton]

You're right. Hopefully I have another set screw. A couple times it seemed I stripped something out, but the 1st was the CB/spur, the other I don't know. We'll see next time out. You think 10k diff fluid would help? The diffs wouldn't spin so much, so maybe they would last longer?
I think I'll get new motor mount screws since these are junk.
I rerouted my lines like this video shows. I did it like this before I saw the video, so far so good.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=O3J1Uz86qyk&feature=related

I didn't think the new tires would help that much, but I'm glad to hear that since I have'm on order. :)
The pipe sounds Nice! Just need more speed to go with it. lol
Have you noticed these don't smoke much?

It'd be nice to find a carb with a larger opening. This one has the space for a much larger hole.

[ericem]

The diff's aren't sealed but it would work if you could find some thick grease. I didn't mind the motor mount screws though I just use a good philips screw driver. I think no 6 size?

Definitely agree about the carb! ill bet that's all that is slowing it down to be honest. ATM though it seems like some heavier clutch springs would be a good investment or a different CB so I can use normal bearings.

[Quinton]

Have you looked at the spring? Maybe we could cut it or try a traxxas 2.5 one?

[Quinton]

Radio went in son's Pede as it fit his hand alot better. :)
Mine's leaving lots of fuel on the chassis around the pipe. Did you guys have this? I'll have to dremel out 1 of the motor mount screws to remove the motor and see where it's coming from. It's running rich because it's spitting fuel but it doesn't smoke.

Definately need to put something in the center diff to gel it up some. Any idea's? What about that stuff for a real car's motor to stop it from smoking and such. I remember it looking about 10x thicker than molasses. I wonder?

And as you said, a tighter spring so it's not always engaged. When I tear into it, I might snip it shorter if it looks like it'll work.

[ericem]

With my exhaust pipe I found the tie wraps for the coupler loose. I tightened then up really good 0 leakage at all and my chassis is always dry. I am so surprised the front bearing doesn't leak!

I still haven't had any issues with my center diff, once I went to the better tires which actually have SOME grip it was perfect. I could definitely see what you are saying work. My dad has some really thick grease I should have put it in.

If you end up cutting the spring shorter and it works out be sure to tell us how short you cut it. I am thinking it might be the crappy bearing design though.

[stanmondz]

iv had none of your issues with mine, except for the smoke thing, dont look like its burning any oil

[willus]

hi

so based on the reviews i've read here and else where I picked up this little buggy. Got it a few days ago and already have about 8 tanks into it over 2 days. I really like it. it's so tiny yet has decent speed. I've leaned it just to the point where it seems to be coming alive.

Like you guys, I ve had some issues with the linkage and the always engaged clutch. I'll be watching this thread to see what you guys come up with on the clutch. This isn't my first nitro(have a V-one rrr), but really like the simple tuning of this engine. I miss a lowend needle tho. hehe. It seems to not have any low speed punch.

anyway, It's well worth the $80 i paid on ebay, though I can't believe that this retailed for $250-300 at one time. I could just imagine the shock of seeing flexy plastic fixed links along with half filled shocks for that price.

[Quinton]

Welcome willus!

I just ran my 3rd tank thru it and it's doing better. It's finally doing donuts in my slick garage. I didn't think about the junky tires making it feel like it's braking when you get off the throttle. I could see how they would make it feel like that though. Glad I have the others coming.

If I get the engine out I'll redo the pipe zip ties.

I was looking at the .18 engine in my sedan and the carb looks exactly like our chaos carb except the inside hole is as large as the opening. I bet it would wake up the chaos. :)

[Quinton]

They showed up. I'd say the mid - top speed is a little better, but the drag is still there. Not as bad, but still there. It still drives horrible thru grass and we don't even have much grass this time of the year. The diffs are loosing all it's potential power. You can tell by how the engine winds out so quickly, yet it's not moving too fast.
We've got to get the diffs up to speed!!!

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/279000-279999/279399_268_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/279000-279999/279399_269_full.jpg

http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/3/web/279000-279999/279399_270_full.jpg

[ericem]

Last picture is cute :p

Not sure what you mean by drag still. Look at the linkage like I said. There isn't a normal spring, its a piece of fuel line, so when you return you need to find a sweet spot.

[Quinton]

Linkage is good. It could be because it's new and so light compared to my sedan.

[ericem]

Ya I am sure any onroad would role alot nicer then a truggy or mt. That's all I have so that's all I can compare it to. Does your clutch seem better?

[Quinton]

Clutch isn't any better. I'm happy with the tires but I think the power is lost thru the 3 diffs slipping way too much.

[ericem]

How bad are your slipping? Mine seem pretty good. Maybe the center diff can be a bit more tight. Next week I might work on it and try some thick grease.

[Quinton]

I'm installing Lucas Heavy Duty Oil Stabilizer as I type. I've got a big bottle and it's thick, so we'll see.

[Quinton]

Center is done and my Lucas looks alot thicker than my 10k. But I think I found the main problem. The diff cups just spin around the diff. They're not squared off enough to keep them from twisting. So I'm filling the rear diff and superglueing the cups to the diffs. We'll see how long it lasts, but that along with all 3 diffs spinning, explains why the engine is screaming and not moving very fast.

[ericem]

ya that means they rounded. That's what I was going to ask. I used CA glue has been holding up just fine.

[Quinton]

Looks like 1 or 2 of them did. I glued the 2 on the front and 2 on the rear. Now if the 2 that face the center do it, I'll glue them.
Put Lucas in all 3 diffs, put new zipties on the pipe, put small pieces of fuel tubing on the diff side of the rear dogbones too (I noticed the rear dogbones can spin out of the cups too), put a spring in place of the fuel tubing on the servo arm, dremeled my motor mounts to use a standard screw driver, and looked at the clutch spring.
Didn't want to mess with it yet because I want to see how the new mods make the buggy boogy tomorrow!!!

[ericem]

wow lol. That is going to be overkill on the drive cups XD Even more then it already is XD

Hopefully will run well. I would have done just the front and center. Can you still turn the diffs though??

[Quinton]

What's XD?
I can still turn'em. I was going to just do the center and rear because it already feels like it drives more from the front and I wanted it to kick out more. But when I saw how the rear cups had slipped I thought I should do it all.
I've never had probs with the diffs in my r/c's because of the way I drive (knock on wood). My friends were always replacing the diffs in their Mamba rc18t's, I didn't have to mess with mine in the 2 yrs I had it. I don't gas them in corner or do donuts on high traction surfaces. Straight line driving isn't that hard on them - assuming the metal & plastic is worth a poo to begin with. :)
We'll see I guess.

[ericem]

Ya as long as you don't gas it in the corners definitely should be fine. How much did it prevent differential action though by adding the lucas oil??

Oh btw XD is like this its just a emoticon http://tpvgames.co.uk/other/emoticons/msn_style/XD.png

[Quinton]

Have you ever put diff oil in? Don't take that as a put down, I just have no idea of what mods you've done over the years. XD
I've got 10k in my Savage, Shock and Ofna buggy. It made a difference in the trucks in the dirt. As you know, you put the heavier in the front to make it pull better in dirt. Somewhat of a difference on asphalt. But in the buggy it made a HUGE difference. My overpowered buggy would wind up like crazy put didn't have the speed to back it up. Anyway, the Lucas looked and felt MUCH thicker than 10k, if that helps any. lol

If the plastic cups can handle the metal dogbones then my last weak links would be the 4 cups that run parallel with the CHAOS.

I'll let you know what I think tomorrow.

[ericem]

Guess it didn't go so well considering the rear diff broke and now you want to trade.

[Quinton]

LOL
It ran MUCH better in the grass, then towards the end of tank I only had front wheel drive. Dangit! I don't think I'm going to be able to get the speed out of it that I would like. So I guess I'll go with another sedan or BL.

[xjqkz]

from now on i'm gonna run my chaos indoors or on road only. Its just not god enough for off roading. it gets stuck in my backyard. Or I may just build a track in my backyard. I looked at homedepot i can get ply wood boards about 4'x8'x1/2" for 8 bux a piece so under $200 I can have a decent track. only problem is its not gonna be water proof so I'll have to dismentle it after every run.

[ericem]

LOL
It ran MUCH better in the grass, then towards the end of tank I only had front wheel drive. Dangit! I don't think I'm going to be able to get the speed out of it that I would like. So I guess I'll go with another sedan or BL.

did you check though? might just be your drive cups again.

[flag]

do any of you guys have a puicture or can explain how they installed thier picco p-zero engine and how they changed thier throttle linkage to work picture please if available,T

[stanmondz]

i think where all running the stock engine, its hard enough on the drive train much less the p-zero

[flag]

well then where would be a good place to go to get some pics or info on the change over just the throttle linkage is the problem and it's too slow for my liking and i will fix one problem at a time but i have seen plenty of videos with them and as long as you don't jump there is no problems with the drivetrain or at least i have yet to have any but thanks for the info, T

[xjqkz]

Can someone post pictures for the center differential assembly? I think there is a part broken.

The gear that goes through the big gear that connects to front differential is that supposed to be lose or stuck in one place?

[flag]

i got it i finally figured out a way to change the sportwerks chaos over to a picco p-zero engine changing the rotary carb linkage to a slide carb linkage with ease the newby did it and easily anyone wants pics or directions let me know thanks for your help going to try it out tomorrow will let you know how it goes and runs thanks, T

[Quinton]

Good luck!

[stanmondz]

you have a problem with the center or front diff?
i had a drive cup come loose, kick to the side and bind up the beake and center diff

[XXWoodmanXX]

This thread is dedicated to the Sportwerks Chaos.

I've just come inside from running my 3rd tank thru her, and I must say I am VERY impressed with this little buggy. It's not my first nitro, but it's my first nitro "mini" scaled vehicle, and I'm nothing but smiles over it.

I will have some pics a little later on. In the meantime, could anyone direct me to some cheap hop-ups acailable for the Chaos buggy?

:wave:

[XXWoodmanXX]

In-case anyone is wondering, I have started a thread dedicated to the Sportwerks Chaos buggy in the Mini & Micro sub-forum here:

http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/showthread.php?p=2325570#post2325570

[stanmondz]

hop me up on ebay has some and A main also
get ya some extra drive cups and diff gears

[stanmondz]

i think im about ready to find a new home for mine, seems like every time i run it something brakes in one of the diffs.

ran 3/4 a tank today= 1 stripped pinion and 1 stripped drive cup not on the same diff.

it seems to me that the replacement parts sportwerks makes are weaker than the parts that come stock on the buggy, i put about a quart on it out of the box, once the stock parts fail and the replacements start going on, everything gose to H&^L. this makes 4 pinions, and iv lost count of the drive cups

95% of the time i run it in the parking lot in front of my apt, so no jumping of hard bashing, just driving around the parking lot.

if the ring gear could be shimmed over a little i think that would help alot, every pinion iv trashed still has half of the teeth left on it. so just the edges of the teeth are engageing the ring gear.

im going to see if i can grind a little off one side of the diff case to see about making some room to shim it over a little, it may be easier to grind the diff cup itself to get the room im after

sorry for rattleing on but this thing is now under my skin

[stanmondz]

i think im about ready to find a new home for mine, seems like every time i run it something brakes in one of the diffs.

ran 3/4 a tank today= 1 stripped pinion and 1 stripped drive cup not on the same diff.

it seems to me that the replacement parts sportwerks makes are weaker than the parts that come stock on the buggy, i put about a quart on it out of the box, once the stock parts fail and the replacements start going on, everything gose to H&^L. this makes 4 pinions, and iv lost count of the drive cups

95% of the time i run it in the parking lot in front of my apt, so no jumping of hard bashing, just driving around the parking lot.

if the ring gear could be shimmed over a little i think that would help alot, every pinion iv trashed still has half of the teeth left on it. so just the edges of the teeth are engageing the ring gear.

im going to see if i can grind a little off one side of the diff case to see about making some room to shim it over a little, it may be easier to grind the diff cup itself to get the room im after

sorry for rattleing on but this thing is now under my skin

[Quinton]

LOL, pretty much why I sold mine. After I sold it I asked the LHS if they had any and he said they NO. They use to but they quit selling them because they had too many problems and returns. I'm glad mine's gone.

[z-man280]

oddly enough, mine worked flawless. It has a new owner now, and he is happy as can be too...

[flag]

i have had a great time with the chaos for the money i spent 60 for the buggy money for gas and 32 for the picco engine that i installed and works i might add for 0 dollars but i have to say the stock engine was very troublesome and thats why i changed the engines but as long as you can control how you drive boffroad and take it easy till the diff prob is fixed or drive it in the parking lot then you will be putting very little to no money in it even with the bigger enginei have yet to replace one stock part knock on wood so take it easy on her and let off the throttle when in the air will help some too,T

[ericem]

No problems here either. I just CA glued all the drivecups and got those $7 wheels. I bashed it pretty good.

[stanmondz]

if you could get diff parts that were worth a crap it would be a great little buggy.

im going to fix it one more time, if it dont hold up for a while this time,its going away

[stanmondz]

95% of the time i run it in the parking lot in front of my apt, so no jumping of hard bashing, just driving around the parking lot.

the buggy is sold so cheap cause sportwerks quit making it, everyone is clearing it out. the diffs will never be fixxed unless one of us find something that will work

i ordered the diff parts AGIAN today, im going to see if i can somehow shift the diff over some in the case to get a better mesh with the pinion gear.
im thinking use a 12x10x2mm bearing instead of the stock 12x10x3.5mm bearing on one side and shimm the difference on the other side, it looks like only half the teeth engage the ring gear, if i can get it tighter it should be better. that might be to much though we'll see

[ericem]

Are you sure its the differentials and not just the drivecups?? What is breaking in the differentials? Are you lubing them up, shimming them? BTW I wonder if vendetta diff parts work?

[xjqkz]

well... all the gears are plastic that the problem......
with mine
http://www.jenkz.com/nitro/swk4012.jpg
must've spun real hard that it melted and got stuck to
http://www.jenkz.com/nitro/swk4014.jpg
this piece and later when i tried to run the car it broke that one piece and its still melted glued on the crown.

does anyone know if there are any replacement metal gears or if another differential can be installed in this car?

[stanmondz]

the only thing you can shim is the pinion, that wont set it deeper into the ring gear, the ring gear has to move over a little to get better mesh, that is what im going to try and work on when my LAST set of gears get here,
think im going to change the bearing width from the stock 3.5mm to 2mm and shim my mesh as close as i can get it.

if that don't work it might live in the same woods my ever clogging airbrush now lives in

yes it is the pinion on the rear diff and a drive cup on the front diff. everything got glued last night

[stanmondz]

decent drive cups
http://www.thetoyz.com/cart/thetoyz_details.lasso?id=6494&cat_name=MINI%20INFERNO

[stanmondz]

i want to try one of these in it
http://www.thetoyz.com/cart/thetoyz_details.lasso?id=8411&cat_name=#

[t9dragon]

This thread is dedicated to the Sportwerks Chaos.

I've just come inside from running my 3rd tank thru her, and I must say I am VERY impressed with this little buggy. It's not my first nitro, but it's my first nitro "mini" scaled vehicle, and I'm nothing but smiles over it.

I will have some pics a little later on. In the meantime, could anyone direct me to some cheap hop-ups acailable for the Chaos buggy?

:wave:

HEHE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D:D:D

Just wait till your diffs go out and the pullstart fal apart...................:eek:

Glad you are having a better time with your Chaos then I had with mine.........

[stanmondz]

X2 with t9

[XXWoodmanXX]

Actually, the pullstart didn't wnd itself back up on the 3rd tank I was putting thru it. I thought the coil-spring let loose on me. So, I decided to spin the crank to start it,........and WHACK!!!!! It retracted on me, and working fine.


Can't say it didn't scare the daylights out of me, though. LOL :p

[stanmondz]

havent had a problem with the pull start, i would trade my diff problems for a P/S problem anyday

[XXWoodmanXX]

Here's my newly-acquired Chaos. :)

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c167/roy_woody/IMG_6827.jpg

I modded the throttle/brake linkage a little bit, to help with easier tuning and braking.

http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c167/roy_woody/IMG_6830.jpg


I also eased the throttle response by lifting the servo up approx. 4mm to help with the servo horn nut rubbing the top of the Rx/Batt box. I saw immediate improvements in throttle response with doing this alone. :)
http://i27.photobucket.com/albums/c167/roy_woody/IMG_6828.jpg



Please share your tips with us fellow Chaos owners. :D

[stanmondz]

turn it off, your batteries will last longer:D
mini inferno wheels and tires are a direct fit, if you change the stub axles iver to the rc18 parts you can use any wheel/tire for the rc18 on it
ca glue your drive cups on
HOP ME UP on ebay and A main sell a few hop ups fpr it
i think i got something worked out for the diff problems, i got to go pick up my pinions, if it works ill post it if not look for it in the FOR SALE fourm

[xjqkz]

do you think it will fit in the stock differential brackets? I just wanna get something that fits in perfectly without having to drill extra holes.

[stanmondz]

dont know if it will fit or not

[stanmondz]

shimmed up my diffs nice and tight dont know what size they are i got em from a friends pit box. i got 2 thin ones between the drive cup and bearing(got to trim the cup end alittle to fit) and 1 behinde the bearing inside the housing. so far i got 2 tanks and no broken parts yet

think a check valve in the pressure tube would help idle any? the way i see it is, a check valve is spring loaded so it would take more pressure than whats present at idle to open the valve. at idle this little engine cant be making that much presure, kinda like a regulator
cutting the tube works to help idle but goes lean fast when under power

[ericem]

Rear pinion broke. After I put on lithium grease. Is there a special grease for plastic only that will make the plastic harder. I think the problem is the lithium grease makes the gears softer.

EDIT

Found something going to try this.

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_info.php/products_id/10435

There is also this but $11 ouch

http://www.amainhobbies.com/product_info.php/products_id/16859

[stanmondz]

i dont put anything on mine, almost got mine ran over tonight

[ericem]

Something like this?? :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x0DOwgIm4_0

[flag]

has anyone found a replacement for the differentials on the chaos i have installed a picco zero engine put lithium grease in and still have not blown any of the diffs but i also have not jumped it at all i have drivven offroad but no jumps but before i get to the jumps i want to get metal diffs so does the inferno metal diffs fit or any other metal diffs or is there any word on them coming out with a solution to this problem thanks, T

[t9dragon]

From what I have read on other sites, you would have to modify the 09 diffs to even get them to fit.

[stanmondz]

no diff upgrades yet, looks like where stuck with plastic, iv got 3 tanks on my shimed diffs and 2 nasty crashes one crushed the bumper/ hinge pin holder

you dont have to jump it to trash the diffs, just driving it will do it

[flag]

well i have one heck of a little picco zero engine and i burn the rubber off the tires and i'm really hard on it onroad giving it hell and no problems yet so i don't know but at the same time my engine that came with it is crap cause it over heats and shuts off no matter what tore it apart twice and rebuilt it and no luck but it was a good thing cause anyone who does'nt have the p-zero should and don't have any idea how much more fun, faster, and over all better you would be gelous but thanks for the help on the diffs, T:cool::D:):wave::teacher:

[stanmondz]

you got lucky, must have got the only good one they made

if mine holds up for a few more tanks, i may get the P-0, they still on ebay for 50 bucks?

[flag]

got my picco for 32 bucks shipping and all just look a little before buying you won't be dissappointed man, T

[stanmondz]

you got the pull start or starter box version?

[flag]

i got the pull start and it starts in one or two pulls everytime after you prime the engine but i got a ? what is a good servo upgrade for the chaos that is an easy swap and the part number please i suck at finding the stuff online thanks, T

[stanmondz]

cant help ya there, i still run the stock servo for steering and a VERY slow jr sm15(i think) for throttle

[Nama]

Hey flag could you upload a pic of your picco linkage please?

[Nama]

ok i got the picco installed. but it wont stay running, could someone tell me where to set my set screws? for idle and whatever the other one does. thanks

[stanmondz]

did you run the break in on the engine yet? if you dont then you will just trash the engine, read the paper work that came with the engine

[Nama]

it is a used engine. i have no paperwork i just need to know where your set screws are set, and what you call each screw. im new to nitro and have no idea. spent hours looking online but cant find any documentation other than the exploded diagram. thanks

[stanmondz]

the High speed needle is the on e the fuel line gose in,idle screw should be on the carb body at a angle and if it has a low speed needle it will be in the end of the carb slide,
cant say where your setting could be. i dont have the picco but start at 3.5 turns out from closed(screw the HSN in all the way and back it out 3.5 tunes) and if it has the LSN set it flush with the end of the carb slide.

that should be real rich, may have to lean it out some to get it to run.
tune the HSN first for good top end speed while still having a good smoke trail
next LSN tune it for snappy take off, easest way is to make a fast pass to clear out excess fuel, pinch the fuel line and see how long it takes to stall. pay attantion to the way it stalls,
you want it to stall in about 3 to 5 seconds and the RPM should increase a few hundered as it dies
if it idles really high or takes longer then 5 seconds to die LSN is to rich
if it stalls right away its to lean,

set the idle screw last

theres a tuning guide on the main fourm page read it a couple times, LOTS of good info there

[Nama]

I will try that tomorrow.!

[stanmondz]

no problem, good luck with it

iv traded my chaos for a maxx roller, i pick it up this weekend

[Nama]

nice. i have done lots of mods to my chaos but now i just need to keep it running, haha, it was raining all day today so i couldn't mess with it. anyone have any detail on how the mounted a picco? i used some shims to move it up just enough to clear the back end. also are you guys using the standard pull starter off the old motor? i had to put a small piece of fuel line in that old pull start to keep the nut from going to deep into the pull start.