TTR EK4 S2 monster truck??????

[RTRaeGT]

What is up with this truck?How much it cost?Where can I find out more about it?Is it just a proto-type?When is the release date for this beast?????????

[RTRaeGT]

I am surprised that this truck has'nt caught the eye of more enthusiest??

[Racer]

It caught my eye http://www.rccaraction.com/ubb/smile.gifI have no clue as to when it's coming out or how much it will be.

[RTRaeGT]

anyone got a full pic on this yet?

[Earnhardt_Fan]

If its not on Tower Hobbies website I dont know were a pic is. What kind of truck was it now? Who makes it?

[RTRaeGT]

It is made or is going to be made by THUNDER TIGER all I saw of it was in this months RCCA and all it had was a very small pic and very limited information?I waswanting to know more about it but THUNDER TIGER dosen't really have it's own site and has no information on it what-so-ever!!!?????

[RTRaeGT]

Well if anyone gets pics or any information on it be sure to post it here ok thanks!

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

What month and page of RCCA please? cause Ive been looking and cant find it. There was a pic on RC Nitro of it they posted a link to it from here.

[RTRaeGT]

Well I've only seen it online but i suppose i missed the link?It was in the Nitro news part and it was in RCCA I don't think it was is Nitro?Well if you see the link pass it along?

[RTRaeGT]

Does anyone even know what scale this truck is?

[krayzie]

It should be 1/8 scale and there was a pic of it at www.rcnitro.com (http://www.rcnitro.com)

[RTRaeGT]

Krazie can you post that pic for us?

[krayzie]

Click Here http://www.rcnitro.com/information/images/TTR70.jpg

[RTRaeGT]

thanks!Krayzie!!!!this truck is awsome its gonna dominate dont you all think?

[Earnhardt_Fan]

It looks like a nitro Clod!

[Street gp]

yeah it is going to be the next big thing. it looks like it has jugg tires and T-maxx suspension. looks like its all monster trucks in one! hey check out my topic totally custom hummer.

[RTRaeGT]

I think its going to be more than any other truck created!!!!!!

[RTRaeGT]

I don't care what the frame came from this truck rocks!!!!it would be awsome if you could get a conversion kit for the buggy though!!!!!!

[The Real Maxxter]

You've all seen this photo, but do you really know what it is? I noticed in the top left corner of the photo, a box with Conversion kit in large letters and EB-4 in small letters above it. If you look closely at the chassis of the monster truck you can see blaring similarities to the EB-4 Buggy. Look at the body mounts in the rear, they look just like the rear spoiler mounts on the buggy, and this is just the beginning.
Now it's no surprise that if Thunder Tiger were to build a monster truck, it could be on the TTR EB-4. But a retail available Conversion kit for existing EB-4s... VERY COOL!!!

http://www.rcnitro.com/information/images/TTR70.jpg

[RTRaeGT]

This is a get sick with it truck!!How much do you think it will cost?What body would look cool on it?

[RTRaeGT]

Any updates on this thing yet?

[RTRaeGT]

How much of the EB-4 IS IN THE TRUCK THAT YOU CAN SEE?IS IT MODIFIED IN ANY OTHER WAY?

[MAXXKILLER]

That conversion kit is to turn a EB-4 into a rally car
have you seen the one that is is all red and has .45

[RTRaeGT]

Ok MAXXX what is the real deal going on with this thing then?Is it just a rally conversion with Jugg tires on it or what? I am positive I must have one!

[MaxxWorker]

I own an EB-4 and from what I can see, the monster truck is DEFINITLY based on the EB-4 chassis. The entire front end including steering looks exactly like the EBs. I can't really see the front shock mount, but I imagine that is different to add clearance for the large shocks up front. The servo mounting plate looks like it is made of plastic instead of aluminum... BOOO, but it is in the exact same spot. The plastic rails that bolt onto the side of the chassis are flat instead of raised to form a bucket shape. In the rear, you can see that the two shocks are mounted in two different mounting holes, leading me to believe that the rear shock mounts are the exact same ones used in the EB-4. The rear body mount is totally an adaptation of the rear spoiler mount. The receiver box is in the same place as well. The major difference is in the area of the center differential. But this is no surprise. I'm sure that the .70 motor is going to require some special components in there as well as some additional clearance.

Over all, I see a lot of reuse of EB-4 components. This leads me to believe that while I’m sure it will be fast, it is yet another adaptation of a buggy chassis to the Monster Truck role. Don’t get me wrong, I’m sure it’ll be fast, but you’ll have to run it on pavement or in a smooth grass field to keep it from bouncing over. Sorry, I’m just not excited.

[RTRaeGT]

Is it really all that bad to have been based on a buggy?What's the diff?Springs?steering?What?I would really and non-sarcastically like to honestly know?Maxxworker you seem to know your way around this department,tell me why it is so bad?Is this the exact same suspension on your EB-4,I don't have a clue as to why buggy/monster conversions are'nt applauded like others?Is this due to the "HYPE" of the T-maxx and what it has become?Or what?

[RTRaeGT]

I wonder why Thunder Tiger has'nt replyed to my e-mails yet but I'll keep tryin'?

[MaxxWorker]

I think it's important to differentiate between HYPE and legitimate advancements in design. The advent of the true monster truck suspension proportions on the T-Maxx was a step forward in my eyes. I see buggy conversions as laziness on the part of R/C manufacturers. Don't get me wrong, I love my EB-4... I wouldn't own any other buggy. But it has a specific purpose... to tear up the track. When I think monster truck, I think tough terrain and jumping action. The buggy suspension just doesn't have the travel and dampening capability that is needed to tackle the types of terrain that I have in mind.

I have run a T-Maxx, MP, and Nitro Quake, side by side. I don't want to take anything away from any of the trucks, they are exciting and fun to drive, but how many buggy conversions can the market withstand. I’m not partial toward Traxxas and the T-Maxx, I’d just like to see another manufacturer tackle a ground up nitro monster truck project like Traxxas did.

Let me explain a little bit about why I feel that the T-Maxx design is such an advance. If I were going to build a full scale 4WD truck that was meant to tackle all kinds of terrain, then I would want a few things included in the design: High ground clearance, not just at the differentials, but at the truck center as well; large amounts of suspension travel; and articulation. The T-Maxx excels in all of these. The MP and NQ place the chassis far to low to include all of these factors. I have seen conversions that give the MP equal articulation ability, but it still doesn’t solve the low center problem. Besides, with an equal amount of effort and money, you could put a .21 conversion in the T-Maxx. I have played follow-the-leader with an MP and followed it everywhere; he cannot say the same. If I head for steep hills, or truck tire ruts, the MP is nowhere to be found.

Simply placing monster truck tires and 4” body posts on a buggy does not constitute a true monster truck in my opinion. Think about the early days of real monster truck racing. The early versions had limited suspension travel and were cumbersome and slow over rough terrain because of that fact. When the Bigfoot team came along and innovated a new high travel suspension, they were actually banned form the circuit for a year because the other truck drivers couldn’t keep up with the advantages that the new suspension gave the Bigfoot team. Sounds a little bit like all of the MP and NQ owners wining about T-Maxx hype if you ask me. I’m not saying that the others are bad trucks, just that they are not a good representation of a true monster truck. I plan to purchase a MP, I think they’re awesome at the track, and will currently smoke my T-Maxx on flat level ground. I just don’t want to see any more buggy conversions… try something new… That’s all.

[krayzie]

I agree with Maxx......

[RTRaeGT]

Thanks for setting me straight Maxx I understand the great accomplishment of the T-MAXX but considering the scale and the power ratio of any MONSTER TRUCK does it really matter in reality?On this scale?

[The Real Maxxter]

Reply from MaxxWorker... This is my home account.

Yes I feel it does impact them on their scale... GREATLY. GT, have you run them side by side? When I bash with my friend who has a MP, I can regularly out run his .21 because he has such a hard time keeping it straight. Scale is scale, and suspension is suspension. The MP and NQ handle just as poorly as the original monster trucks did. The revolution is here.

An example. I run at our fair grounds, where our county stores all of it's fill dirt. The hills are HUUUUUGE. I'm talking 25 feet, all thick rich fill dirt. When the front end loaders pull into the dirt, their front tires leave a huge imprint with an almost perfect curvature for a jump. Well, the lead in is less than optimal. It's rutted with loose dirt and other no-so-smooth surface defects. He can't get enough speed to hit the jump because his MP is busy bouncing off course. He usually won't run with me in these conditions. He heads for the grass field accros the way that he can run at top speed in giant circles. And to me, this is mindless entertainment. I'd rather be at the track, challenging myself under controled conditions... not some field. And when it comes to climbing hills, the MP or NQ may have the neccessary power to out climb a T-Maxx, but when it hits any imperfections in the face of the climb... humpty dumpty has a great fall. Under optimal conditions, each out performs the other in it's own way. I just prefer challenging terrain that gives me more options than high speed oval racing, I have my 1:8th buggy for that.

I'm not trying to say the the MP or NQ aren't good trucks. I'm just stating my preference. But I can't stand by and let you pass off the differences in the trucks as marginal, because of the scale. There are gigantic differences in the handling and ther performace of these two trucks over a vast variety of terrains. When I see a bunch of people oooohing and aaahhing at a MP, I get out my buggy and smoke him. Then when he hits the dirt, I get out my T-Maxx, and I drive circles around him as he flips over because of his buggy suspension. If you don't have the money to spend on two specialized vehicles, then go for a NQ or MP, but if you plan on purchasing more vehicles in the future, buy a vehicle that is built for what is stands for.

[The Real Maxxter]

I feel I need to add something here. I really like the power and speed of the MP, NQ, and the new TTR truck.

When I saw this picture for the first time, I thought it was going to be a retail available conversion kit, and that excited me. No one has done that yet.. to my knowledge. But then again, I didn't know about the Rally Conversion.. MY BAD http://www.rccaraction.com/ubb/frown.gif

I just REALLY wish that someone else would build a competitor to the T-Maxx. There are places where the T-Maxx falls short... TRX PRO .15.. need I say more. The T-Maxx is not the perfect truck, but I'd love to see someone do better, not just convert an existing design. That's like taking a Chevette, slaping a 600cid, blown V8 into it, and claming that it's a better car than the new Corvettte. Will it be faster? **** yes! Will it out perform it the arena that the Corvette is intended for? Of course not. It's a matter of purpose and design. And at that, the T-Maxx wins so far.

[This message has been edited by The Real Maxxter (edited 03-23-2001).]

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

this applies here to
I better put some shock boots over my springs cause the hog wash is getting pretty deep in here. All the maxx has going for it is a little bit more clearance. For being designed from the ground up as a MT it cant do any better than buggies with big tires MT's. Except in one category. Thats a fact. its not bigger its not faster its not as powerful its not as stable in turns and its not as strong too mush plastic. It takes a whole lot of money into a maxx to make it better.

[nofear6150]

In my opinion the t-maxx is real truck! buggy monster trucks look like toys but the t-maxx actually has axles coming through the bottom of the chassis...buggy monster trucks are out of proportion and look wierd...The t-maxx looks so much more real and performs so much better...I take my hat off to traxxas for making the t-maxx...I agree with The real maxxter and say that other r/c companies need to build a monster truck from the ground up...

[This message has been edited by nofear6150 (edited 03-23-2001).]

[Dirty Pirate]

Why do all the MAXXER gotta rip on the 1/8 buggies MT's

i hate to break it to u maxxers. but the tmaxx is pretty much a buggy as well. the only true MT's are the solid axel electric ones. after all they are based on the rl Monstertrucks we watch on tv.. i hate to say it but the maxx is no more Monstertruck than the MonsterPirate or the quake. unless u ditch the full indy suspension and the big oll chassis, you arnt any closer to a MT. add all the GC you want.. that makes it taller, but no more of a monster truck. it will just flip over more.

Either way tho. calling it whatever u want. 1/8 buggy with big tires, or monster truck. i wouldnt trade MP for anything.-- wanna kno why? well lets see.
ITS faster than a maxx
its more powerfull than a maxx
It handles better than a MAXX
its got as much suspension travel as a maxx
its got more Ground clearance than a maxx
it can climb better than a maxx
need i go on??
proof u say? i got proof
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1311024&a=9733401&p=44007124&Sequence=0&res=high
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1311024&a=9733401&p=44015752&Sequence=0&res=high
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1311024&a=9733401&p=44252250&Sequence=0&res=high

[The Real Maxxter]

Now that's what I call a monster truck Dirty Pirate. You know, I think that you and I are on the same track. The suspension convert you did to your Pirate looks awesome.

Look, if everyone would read my post carefully, you'd see that I really don't care who makes the truck, just that it performs well. I'm sure that with your suspension set up, your MP performs wonderfully. I wish more people could see through the bull and get to the point... Inovation before Ego Inflation. Anybody who can put together a truck that can perform gets props in my book. Whether you put a .21 on your Maxx, or huge travel on your Pirate, you've obviously got the idea. I just wish that more people would get the idea and start pressuring manufactureres to build this stuff into the original product. Imagine if your MP came that way stock. Imageine if the T-Maxx came stock with a .21... The world would be a better place {tear runs down my cheek** Well maybe not, but It'd sure be a heck of alot more fun!

[The Real Maxxter]

DP, one thing I forgot... While the T-Maxx, may not have the solid axles of a true monster truck, my main point is the proportion of the suspension geometry, in regards to travel, and chassis clearance.

To tell you the truth, the T-Maxx is closer in design to a Hummer than a monster truck, but proportion wise, it surely matches the Monster truck. Put em together and what do you got? A Monster Hummer! Did i mention that the real Hummers are terribly underr powered as well... http://www.rccaraction.com/ubb/smile.gif

[RTRaeGT]

Boy did I ask the wrong questions!!!!I just wanted to know a little about a little I did'nt want a debate,this thread should'nt be about anything but the truck posted....I honestly did'nt want another T-MAXX debate started?I know the T-MAXX is the begining of a bigger picture and it probably is a great truck but I did'nt ask about it?I asked about buggies being turned into monster trucks that was it,+'s and -'s not a comparison.the two just are'nt in the same league (NFL/XFL) because they are'nt similar at all in design.....I asked about the TTR because its a Monster of a truck it looks huge and it's built on buggy engineering.........SO WHAT!!!!!! It looks awsome and Gigantic!!!!I think it would be a great performer when it's released!!!

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

Yes I agree. I like the TTR too from just looking at it. http://www.rccaraction.com/ubb/smile.gif Hope they hurry up. But not if it results in poor quality. They make good stuff though so there shouldnt be a worry.

[RTRaeGT]

Anyone heard anything on it yet?BTW DP do you happen to have an overhead no body pic?I'd like to know more as to what was done from frame up thanks!

[Dirty Pirate]

this is before i did anything
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1311024&a=9733490&p=34319629&Sequence=0&res=high
and then after any mods i made-- as u can see not much has really changed visually on the inside and underside
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1311024&a=9733401&p=44015742&Sequence=0&res=high
sorry its so dirty here, i just took the pic, and hadnt gotten around to cleaning it after todays Play
http://albums.photopoint.com/j/View?u=1311024&a=9733401&p=44710595&Sequence=0&res=high

all it really took was some chassis gridning, and a little work on the steering assembly and some other minor tweaks. its really quite easy.
Oh ive also got titanium shock towers on it. and the fronts are extra tall to allow me to run much longer shocks up front. those equivalent in travel to the ones in the rear

[The Real Maxxter]

Sweet truck DP. I love the way you set your body down further to cover the chassis gear. With you suspension mods the truck really has that monster truck look. I think OFNA, ought to start shippin Pirates with that tall shock tower in the front. I'm sure that travel makes a hugh difference.

[This message has been edited by The Real Maxxter (edited 03-25-2001).]