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Usagi
05-30-2002, 03:25 AM
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Usagi
05-30-2002, 03:26 AM
With a 360 modena body. HPI eat you hart out..........
navspecwar
05-30-2002, 11:35 PM
hot damn, guys, i got another one. ordered it last night:D
Usagi
05-30-2002, 11:39 PM
Originally posted by navspecwar
hot damn, guys, i got another one. ordered it last night:D
Make sure you get bearsing.
navspecwar
06-01-2002, 12:52 AM
yea, those, and a ball diff, and polished kingpins, and a rear shock, and a alloy motor mount, and a squat BB can, and a X speed, and a turbo, and alloy wheels, and a toe-in set, and a CF H-plate, and high grip tires.:p feel free to add anything to the list (although i think i covered it all)
Usagi
06-01-2002, 05:42 AM
whats the sence of buying a mini-z it you spending over 150.00 on top of it?:rolleyes:
navspecwar
06-01-2002, 10:02 PM
cause im an RC addict. besides, im not gonna buy it all at once. maybe over the course of a year.;)
Usagi
06-01-2002, 11:28 PM
over a year is fine, but in the first week;)
navspecwar
06-05-2002, 11:59 PM
god, i forgot how slow these things are when theyre stock:p . im gonna HAVE to get this stuff if im gonna be able to stand driving this new Z.
Jimmy33
06-09-2002, 04:13 PM
HELP
The servoand switch wires have come off my Mini Z and I don't know were they are ment to go back on -any one got a wiring diugram for the speed controler/reciever?
Jim
i plan on getting a mini-z and i was wondering what type of upgrades should i get ?
btw how good is the stock motor? i mean should i get a "turbo esc" and solder my tamiya 4wd motors to it?
thx
navspecwar
06-17-2002, 03:46 PM
pkny - read thru this thread. i know its a big task, but theres a lot to be learned from it.;)
fast&furious
07-21-2002, 03:12 PM
my bro and dad both have them and are going to race this winter at rcmadness in ct. i'm considering buying 1, they seem pretty cool...
Jimmy_GT-R_617
07-23-2002, 04:21 AM
Hey guys, gonna buy a Mini Z on Friday, also getting soft tyres, rear shock, bearings, and buying a Tamiya Impreza 2001 WRC 1/24 model kit to use as the body, my friend did the same and it seems to fit brilliantly. But wanted to know if I could put the (MZW-8) Kyosho X-Speed Mini-Z Motor straight in the car or will I have to buy a turbo ESC for it before it will run without frying the standard ESC??
Thanx
Jimbo
:)
P.S.I have looked throught the thread but not found much info on the motors side of things.
richeyrich12
08-04-2002, 02:41 PM
i want to build a mini-z track and i was wondering what the best width and surface is:confused:
navspecwar
08-05-2002, 12:41 AM
for width, i'd say about 14-16 inches. and as for surface, it depends on what kind of tire you want to use. for rubber tires, ive heard that both roofing paper and rubberized roofing paint work well. for foam tires, use ozite carpet. it'll be so grippy you'll traction roll in joy.
hitstuff II
08-05-2002, 02:00 PM
I have heard of people using tamyia motors in their cars, which ones what are their names, are they for tamyia's slot cars? Is everything a direct fit?
navspecwar
08-09-2002, 10:06 PM
yea, you can use tamiya motors, but be sure that you use a decent turbo, otherwise you'll have a really expensive autoscale chassis.
navspecwar
08-09-2002, 10:07 PM
meant to add, i got an F1 today. those things are frickin awesome.:D
Scrad
08-24-2002, 10:55 PM
I just picked up the SpeedRacer Mach 5 today. Man that thing is soooo cool looking. I haven't ran it yet, waiting for some batteries to charge up. So I'll be posting on the forum.
I haven't read all of the pages so far, but what are some good up grades for it? Also is there some sort of battery pack that can be adapted somehow? And are the Z's faster than the HPI Micro's?
Thanks
SteveH
08-25-2002, 06:18 PM
I couldn't resist the urge any longer to get one of the mini's!
I just bought the Teile Mercedes with the bearing kit and up graded motor. Looks nice, can't wait to try it out.
MINI Z MODIFIER
08-29-2002, 08:08 AM
does anyone in here have a mini Z and live in MN???
SteveH
08-31-2002, 02:04 PM
Got my Mini Z today, WOW! It is quick, even without installing the bearing kit and X Speed motor that came also.
navspecwar
09-11-2002, 07:39 PM
steve, you think its quick now? add a NML drag motor and a turbo 3. then we'll talk quick:p
SteveH
09-11-2002, 08:14 PM
Thats what I've heard. I can't wait to get those.
AmericanExpress
09-14-2002, 11:36 PM
How fast are these things capable of reaching and with what?
SteveH
09-15-2002, 08:20 AM
With the X-speed motor and good batteries these things are quick. Kind of hard to judge the speed with these little guys. But you won't be unhappy with them.
navspecwar
09-17-2002, 10:32 PM
AmEx, the options are about limitless, but ive seen Zs go something like 40. if you want speed, seriously, look into a NML motor and a turbo 3. not to mention squat dry bearings, a ball diff, carbon O-plate, and a really steady steering hand.:p but, for ready-to-use "fast" (ive been spoiled by NML), the X-speed is a good start. just let it be known that its nowhere NEAR the fastest motors. go to www.mini-zracer.com/forums for more info.
TeeBee
10-14-2002, 12:12 AM
My son's new Z runs great for about 20 seconds, then loses power until it won't run at all. It's worked fine for about a week before this problem. Nothing is getting hot. It's got a stock motor. Is it the ESC? It's a shame, since I gave it to him for his 13th. B-day and he spent all his B-day money on Z parts. Now it won't run. Makes for a sad kid. I put a voltmeter on the motor lead screws and the voltage drops rapidly when it loses power. I purchased it from Tower Hobbies. I hope they'll back it up if it's the ESC. Thanks for any advice.
TeeBee
Thunder Quake
Street Force w/TransAm body
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SteelCityWheels
10-16-2002, 11:31 PM
I got my first Z (Skyline) yesterday... its radio gear is screwed up, out of the box. Just wanted to do its own thing... sending it back to Tower for a new one. :(
Andy
Plastic spastic
10-18-2002, 03:02 PM
Well i finaly made my transtion into electric. i'v been running nitro for almost two years i think...i have a Thunder Tiger TS4n, i built it my self, it took me two days to build it, (the suspesntion was the hardest, i kept loosing the E-clips, thery are so small and they fly off so fast and you never see them again) any ways, i resently bought a mini-z from a friend of mine for 200 sing bucks, i live in Singapore (far away huh?) but i'm from Morristown New Jersey.
i have a couple of problems, A: the mini-z makes like a whining noise when it "idles" is this normal? and also i have hardly any range at all, it gets a couple of yards away and then it goes really fast in right handed turns. i don;t know if this is the antena or the circut board... but i was wanting to install the "turbo" thing so i could drive with Tamiya motors? ( i'v got tons of them, i have no idea how.) it cost about 50 sing bucks, thats like 20-30 american.
my 2nd problem is that my mini-z turns right really well but when i turn it left it spins out on the spot. i'v got a couple of hop-ups (Ball bearings, rear suspension, one of the the kyosho motors (the black one) front suspension (red on the front green in the rear) and a strut bar (blue spring, 2 of them actually) and some nice alloy purple wheals and a green chassis, i use tamiya tires, from the mini 4wd racers and aluminum screws, (these really suck, they are so soft, the headkeeps loosing the shape and i have to use pliers to get them out an sometimes they break, then i have to get a new part because the rest of the screws are stuck inside but they take off a couple of grams of wieght, i would use ti. but i can't find any this size, my ts4n is 100% ti screws and turnbuckles, i also have a novarosi pipe with a o.s CVX.15 with a pullstarter, i can eat any kyosho cars my friends have with this thing, the speed diffrnce is ridiculous handleing sucks tho, i have hard suspension so it flips really easly)
topkart23
10-18-2002, 09:41 PM
would i be able to put a jr xr2 into a mini z?
navspecwar
10-19-2002, 10:16 PM
spaz, the whining noise at idle is probably your ESC centering. it should be easily solved by adjusting the throttle trim. the spinout problem is due to a POS stock diff. a ball diff will solve that quickly. get it from mini-zracer.com. as for the turbo, dont bother with anything other than the turbo 3 or the TLP Twin Turbo R. the T3 is better, but the TLP runs a close second. dont bother with a tamiya motor, get a mini-zracer.com turbo motor.
topkart, the transmitter will work as long as its 27mhz AM. you can use the Rx as well, but not without some serious modifications. you know theyre RTR, right?
OneBigMan647
10-20-2002, 10:57 AM
Hey,
Im gonna be getting an audi tt mini z soon. I was wondering is it true that the stock servo gears will strip really easily. Will the problem be eliminated if i put some of the dual rate on? Another problem i've read about is the car spinning out when making a left turn. Is this true. Would i have to buy a ball differential to fix this? I was thinking about a traction controll diff i found for the car. It's way cheaper. Another problem is i have heard that the car has very weak range. How many feet can you get out of this thing? I am worried because im gonna be racing with this and i don't know if the range can be long enough from the driver's stand to the track. Someone help me and ensure me that this car is a good buy. Thanx.:) Btw, im a regular at the traxxas forums. 1500 posts over there.
-ARmand
navspecwar
10-21-2002, 10:25 PM
as long as you dont run the Z with the body off, you should be alright (within reason - no traffic dodging or you'll be replacing more than the servo gears:p ). one recommendation, get a long wheelbase body. the audi is mid, and its a little less stable. as for the diff, cough up the extra dough for the ball diff. the traction control diff is just as bad as the stock diff. as for range, it really depends on the location. if theres no bad interference and you have fresh Tx batts, you could probably get 50 - 60' outta it.
www.mini-zracer.com
OneBigMan647
10-22-2002, 12:05 AM
I've decided to get the f-1 mini z. Since im gonna be racing. Im getting this because it comes with a servo saver, the batteries are set on the bottom,middle of the car for lower center of gravity and more of a stable car, it has a longer wheelbase, and the car is wider, the servo can reach maximum length with moving the tires(the tires don't stop while the servo keeps on trying to move it unlike a normal mini-z) and the car is waay lower, and i love that f-1 style. And since im gonna be racing it, i want the f-1 kind of stuff. So the car should be okay with the servo saver, that eliminates the servo stipping, the spinning easier when left turning i'll get the ball diff for that. So im good to go. Thanx guys.
-Armand
navspecwar
10-22-2002, 11:14 AM
cool. just be aware that there arent as many parts for the F1 as there are for the tintop, and what little parts there are will be crazy expensive (the F1 ball diff is almost 3 times more expensive than a ball diff for the tintop). also, turbos can cause a lot of problems due to the fact that the F1 has a brake, and the turbo will interfere with that. i personally would recommend getting a tintop (which, btw, is the sedan Z), cause theyre cheaper, simpler, and a whole lot more fun.
navspecwar
10-25-2002, 11:54 PM
(hint: www.tinyrc.com is a better place to fuss about LHS' ignorance towards zipzaps);)
ic0nn
11-07-2002, 05:34 PM
my car developed a bit of torque steer if i grap the throttle. any suggestions on setup?
hpiguy
11-08-2002, 12:13 PM
First clean the whole car including the front wheels and axles. When hair and dust build up it causes uneven drag on the rotating parts and it can cause the car to veer to one side when you mash the gas.
Also take apart the diff (if you have the gear diff) and clean it out and reassemble it with either very light oil, or solid lubricants such as graphite or baby powder so that it spins freely.
Usually the "torque steer" goes away after this.
Other than that just try stickier tires on the back so that it doesn't spin out as easy. I put the softest tires on the back and the stock tires on the front and now my Z handles VERY well. Even with the stock gear diff.
You can also install a ball diff, but I personaly hate ball diffs because they always need adjustment and cleaning, along with replacing balls and washers all the time. I'd rather drive than spend five hours tuning over and over in my opinion.
navspecwar
11-11-2002, 04:59 PM
hpiguy, what ball diff do you have? i have owned 2 for about a year, and have only rebuilt each one once. they are still smooth as the day i bought em.
hpiguy
11-11-2002, 11:14 PM
Actually my Mini Z doesn't have a ball diff in it. But my experience comes from all my other 1/10th scale cars with ball diffs.
For the Powerline brand diff at 13 bucks I'd be willing to try a ball diff in my Mini Z. Since you say that they seem to last longer on these small cars.
Maybe it's because they don't take a beating like 1/10th scale cars do. I'm used to rebuilding my 1/10th scale diffs after every two weeks of racing.
ic0nn
11-12-2002, 03:03 AM
my car is actually very clean, so binding is not a problem. i've been using a 40 front / 30 rear shore combo that worked well in the past. started running my mini z in the new condo and the surface is really slick. i also get a bit of push: seems the 40's dont grap as well as the 30's. And eve with 30 in the rears i still get some torque steer. i already have a ball diff and tried tightening it to get less diffing on hard accel. i destroyed my set of servo gears so i need to get replacement before i experiment again.
navspecwar
11-13-2002, 03:01 PM
hpiguy, oh yea, i know what you mean with 1/10 scale ball diffs. Z ball diffs last much, much longer. i highly recommend getting one, your car will drive much better.
ic0nn, busted a servo gear, huh. sucks, dont it? anyway, you oughta get alloy servo gears. email draconious, hes doin a group buy for all 3 gears, i think the price is something like $37, which is something like the price of one from tower hobbies. the site is http://mywebpages.comcast.net/draconious/Mini-Z/_NewsUpdates.html
86plymouthcolt
11-17-2002, 01:06 PM
Is this something only a hobby shop would stock?
crypt
11-21-2002, 08:00 PM
hi guys, i´m from spain and a moth ago bought a miniz audi tt, and i like it too much, well after testing it on many surfaces the best i have tried is carpet with a very short hair, and there goes the pic (my car, my track and me)
navspecwar
11-21-2002, 11:44 PM
86plymouth, you mean the servo gears or mini-zs? get the gears fromt he link i posted, and get mini-zs from Mini-ZRacer.com.;)
pro3racing
11-26-2002, 07:00 PM
hey does anyone have some good websites fromjapan or hong kong for the mini z?
thanks
crypt
11-26-2002, 08:13 PM
go to miniradiocontrol.com in the links/enlaces there are some webs from japan, the best miniz bar (japanesse only)
pro3racing
11-28-2002, 09:41 AM
thanks for the link :D anyone else have any more links for sites from japan and hong kong:confused:
Liquid_2
11-29-2002, 04:38 AM
HEY ONE BIGMAN! its me w00t! hehe i was reading the posts and i saw ur name. Im thinking bout` getting one too but i dont know which one to get heheh im leaning towards the kyosho cause ive seen alot of hop ups for it then i was going to start races at my lhs with some friends (3 or more makes a class) and the nitro 4-tec is going to be half pro come a few weeks :D with carbon/graphite upper dek, aluminum shocktowers, bigbores, slicks+rims, and lastly bearings for the steering linkages and stuff
Liquid_2
11-29-2002, 04:38 AM
oops sorry for 2 posts
crypt
12-06-2002, 08:37 AM
well, the last wednesday, all the options arrieved to me,clk "original teile" body ball diff, aluminium engine mount and wheels, alu batt clips... there are pics
crypt
12-06-2002, 08:39 AM
and other
NewToNitro
12-07-2002, 06:23 PM
*sigh* my little stepbro somehow ripped the orange and green wires off when he put on his new chassis. Instead of waiting for me to fix it he put them back on the wrong spot. Now when he turns it on the batterys get really hot really fast. Im guessing its fried and its junk now but is there anything i could try to fix it for him?
em6924
12-07-2002, 07:07 PM
Does anybudy know what are the best reshargeble batts 4 the Z?:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:I see in the pics above that sum ppl r using Gp whatevers and where to u get them, tower doesnt have them:confused: :confused: :confused:Im using Team Orion 700's
navspecwar
12-08-2002, 09:25 PM
i use energizer 700mAh NiMH. the GPs are good, and the Team Orions sound good, cause theyre made by TO.;)
NewToNitro
12-09-2002, 11:59 AM
Originally posted by NewToNitro
*sigh* my little stepbro somehow ripped the orange and green wires off when he put on his new chassis. Instead of waiting for me to fix it he put them back on the wrong spot. Now when he turns it on the batterys get really hot really fast. Im guessing its fried and its junk now but is there anything i could try to fix it for him?
nevermind i got it fixed. when he put his colored chassis on he reversed the main power wires from the batt. Swaped them and it works fine :)
navspecwar
12-10-2002, 08:30 PM
lucky! :eek: man, lotsa people have reversed the battery connections and fried their PCBs
Hello Guys,
The wheelbase seems to vary widely from 5.1" for the F-1's to 2.2" for the Mercedes CLK.
Does this seem to make much of a differance in handling. I really like the NSX's and CLK's but dont want to find out the CLK's are to squirrely becuase of the short wheelbase.
thank you in advance for your honest opinions.
navspecwar
12-12-2002, 03:09 PM
actually, the CLK and the NSX are two of the most stable tintop bodies out there. yes, the F1 is more stable because of the long wheelbase, but its not nearly as manouverable (sp?).
86plymouthcolt
12-13-2002, 12:14 AM
This shop has them in stock!
Modelshoponline.com (http://www.modelshoponline.com/)
crypt
12-13-2002, 02:42 PM
at dimbal (rcmart.com) are available too
LkHse
12-22-2002, 07:34 PM
How fast do these things go stock? with a new motor? thankz
hpiguy
12-22-2002, 11:52 PM
Stock I think they top out at 8 to 11mph.
With the X speed and taller gears you can see 13 to 15 mph.
With the X speed and a turbo you'll hit 16 or 18 (many other factors play in to this) and that's as fast as I'm willing to go so I haven't tried any hotter motors or gearing changes. :cool:
But there are people that have hit a VERIFIED 30 mph with hot motors and internal electronics upgrades.
Go to: www.mini-zracer.com they have TONS more info and help than this tiny thread can offer.
LkHse
12-23-2002, 03:03 AM
I am gonna get a Mini-z and i would like to know wut you guyz think the fastest motor is for this. A motor a turbo and A ball diff will be my first upgrades for my car...hopefully the motor isnt too expensive :eek:
NewToNitro
12-28-2002, 09:10 PM
A friend online is selling his for 65shipped...is that a good price for a MiniZ? I dont have one but thought they were fun last time i drove it. should i get it?
^j!nx^
12-29-2002, 10:49 AM
with the proz chassie could run the stock servo with stand alone esc and rx? looks like enough room. Anyone have it yet?
http://www.pro-z.com/image/face2face.jpg
http://www.pro-z.com/image/prozsm.jpg
crypt
01-01-2003, 06:13 PM
where did you find this cooooooool chassis?
NewToNitro
01-01-2003, 06:18 PM
Originally posted by crypt
where did you find this cooooooool chassis?
www.pro-z.com
Integra Type R
01-04-2003, 04:47 PM
is this (http://**************/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2565&item=3104495032) the same as the miniz? anyone has this?
Integra Type R
01-04-2003, 04:50 PM
ok hte link don't work. just copy and paste this:
http://**************/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2565&item=3105073931
Integra Type R
01-04-2003, 04:52 PM
ok these are amde by a companey called Heipao. are these the same as the mini z?
crypt
01-04-2003, 06:31 PM
noooooooooooooooooo, this is a really bad copy of the miniz, they are selling it like the same thing, but that isn´t the same.
Integra Type R
01-04-2003, 08:21 PM
ok thanx for clearing that up. i will definately stay away from these.
rims'
01-09-2003, 08:15 PM
well i have one of those that my friend gave me... will the normal mini-z parts work on it? i'm not asking if it is worth it i'm asking if it will work or at least some of them. thanks
4-tec_Monster_T
01-13-2003, 02:10 AM
i need some help on how to put a 9volt battery in my mini Z!!!! and also when i took my esc/reciever thingy the red battery wire broke off of it and i cant solder very well so is there any other way to put it baco on?!?!?! plz help!!!!!
ViperKid
01-20-2003, 05:55 PM
my suggestion is to find someone that can solder that for you. i wouldn't try a 9v, besides if it did work it would look hack
locklom
01-22-2003, 09:34 PM
in the picture, what kind of shock is in the rear middle and where can I get it from?
ViperKid
01-23-2003, 10:02 AM
everything on that car looks like kyosho stuff. check their website
zicoramone2000
02-02-2003, 07:47 PM
here's a pic of my car
supra528
02-05-2003, 05:24 PM
i was wondering how fast a stock miniz and mini z f1 can go. how upgradable are they. and how fast can they go when upgraded??? im thinkin gof getting a mini z or a duratrax delphi indy car.... thought this might be kinda fun after doing nitro for a while... lil play around toy...... something i can actually fly on a plane when i travel..
mike
ViperKid
02-05-2003, 06:58 PM
first of all it isn't a toy! the racer usually goes about 10 or 11mph and the f1 goes a llittle faster. they are very upgradable with aftermarket parts from powerline or megatech or kyosho
supra528
02-06-2003, 06:59 PM
ok... i know there not toys.... ive been drivin a 70+mph nitro for a while now..... anyways.... im planing on gettin a miniz f1 and i was wonderin a few things.... wat are some good upgrades, and can you upgrade the radio system at all???? and wat is the stock range??? and how fast can they go when they are hoped up????
mike
crypt
02-07-2003, 05:04 PM
well the first you can get is the ball differential, a kit of carbon h bars, ball bearings,some tires, depend where you will run, (but i think you now), lock nuts for the wheels, this is the essential, if you want to spend more money, upper rear shocks, rear side shock, front spring kit, aluminiun wheels... there is too many hop ups.
there is another thing you will have to change, the wire antenna of the receiver (it breaks easily), the best way (and cheap) is buy a little section of coaxial wire from tv antennas, you have to peel off and get the crossed inner wire, like a cilinder net, be careful when you cut the external cover, you have to cut about 17mm it´s the way it keeps rigid, well when you get this you have to lenghten, you will see it becomes like a thick wire, then you have to weld it to a little shim (the inner diameter must be like the screw diameter of the antenna), once you have it solder you have to get it in a thermoretractile cover, (leave the shim out of it) , and then you will have an antenna that will suit all the bodies and it´s almost unbreakable, here you have a pic of my antenna finished
ViperKid
02-07-2003, 05:28 PM
i think the f1 is an overall better car than the racer. i own both and i would much rather drive the f1. i handles alot better, and in my opinion looks cooler. the down side is that it doesn't have many hop ups(not as many as the racer.) the truth is that if it is a mini-z it will be fun, no doubt about it:)
zicoramone2000
02-08-2003, 08:11 PM
skeleton
ViperKid
02-09-2003, 03:26 PM
sweet
are the green wheels painted?
crypt
02-09-2003, 04:50 PM
here you have two pics of the materials to make the antenna, it´s easy and only takes ten minutes.
crypt
02-09-2003, 04:53 PM
other pic
ViperKid
02-15-2003, 05:00 PM
does anyone know where you can get the plastic clips on the side of the body? i have seen them somewhere thanks
AmericanExpress
02-22-2003, 05:55 PM
If you had to choose all over again, would you get a dynamite rocket racer, $60 and can use micro rs4 motors, bigger than the z and smaller than the micro, or woul d you get your mini z. Why or why not?
AmericanExpress
02-22-2003, 06:00 PM
Originally posted by crypt
well the first you can get is the ball differential, a kit of carbon h bars, ball bearings,some tires, depend where you will run, (but i think you now), lock nuts for the wheels, this is the essential, if you want to spend more money, upper rear shocks, rear side shock, front spring kit, aluminiun wheels... there is too many hop ups.
there is another thing you will have to change, the wire antenna of the receiver (it breaks easily), the best way (and cheap) is buy a little section of coaxial wire from tv antennas, you have to peel off and get the crossed inner wire, like a cilinder net, be careful when you cut the external cover, you have to cut about 17mm it´s the way it keeps rigid, well when you get this you have to lenghten, you will see it becomes like a thick wire, then you have to weld it to a little shim (the inner diameter must be like the screw diameter of the antenna), once you have it solder you have to get it in a thermoretractile cover, (leave the shim out of it) , and then you will have an antenna that will suit all the bodies and it´s almost unbreakable, here you have a pic of my antenna finished
How much money have you put into your z?
crypt
02-23-2003, 06:21 PM
well that´s like all, how much money do you want to spend, this little things are like tmaxx, you have a whole world of hop ups, some works and other are just good looking, some cheap, some very expensive) how i did say, the essential cost about 50$ (ball diff, carbon H bars, and some tires, it´s enough with a set of four with a lower grip ) but i really like to get a good look for my car, and i don´t care (ever i can spend it, if not doesn´t matter) or if it´s really expensive, but for a few dollars (most of the hop ups never get the 15$ edge) if i really like, i do buy it, about my hop ups, i did spend the same money i spent in the car, about 100$ (ever looking the best price for this, and i think the best store for hop ups is rcmart.com, japanesse site)
AmericanExpress
02-23-2003, 07:14 PM
Crypt, do you think that you could list what you put into it?
crypt
02-24-2003, 05:19 PM
well here it goes:
- Aluminium motor case (13´9 $)
- Ball bearings (7 $)
- Ball differential (14´9 $)
- Softer tires set (5´8 $)
- Rear center shock (11 $)
- Battery clips (9´9 $)
- Front knuckle 2 degree (3´9 $)
well all the cost is 77´4 $ but you must add shipping costs about 15 $ (the total amount is about 92´4 $) that´s not soo much money, you can spend it in two or saturday´s nights , or going out to have dinner with your family, so really i think it isn´t too much money, if you compare with other car categories, where a pair of tires gets in 17 $ or a set of shock about 40 $, no mention engines, pipes...
supra528
02-25-2003, 08:26 PM
umm...few questions.... im debateing between getting a duratrax delphi inday car (would be a whole lot less mount of money) or the mini z f1.... ok...first off, can you put the megatech motors into the f1??? if you cant, then whats the best motor for the f1??? and how fast would an f1 go wit bearings, a ball diff, and the best motor for it????
thanks a lot
mike
supra528
02-25-2003, 08:27 PM
umm...few questions.... im debateing between getting a duratrax delphi inday car (would be a whole lot less mount of money cuz i already got a radio for it from my boat) or the mini z f1.... ok...first off, can you put the megatech motors into the f1??? if you cant, then whats the best motor for the f1??? and how fast would an f1 go wit bearings, a ball diff, and the best motor for it???? and also, would the megatech hi torque and hi speed one fit in to the f1 without anything else needed?? and is there a better radio system and mabye a better esc wit brake???/ cuz the novak micro one has reverse... wait, does it have break????
thanks a lot
mike
navspecwar
02-26-2003, 06:59 PM
mini-zs are RTR. you dont need to buy a separate radio. all you need is 4 AAA and 8 AA batteries, and youre ready to go!
as for motors, there really isnt a single *best* motor, it all depends on your setup, your track, your driving style, etc. for a stock F1, i would have to say the Mini-ZRacer.com A-BB-SE motor is the best. its non-turbo, and beats the pants off most other turbo motors. you could always go for an FET upgrade and get a hotter motor from mini-zracer.com, like the M-BB or S-BB motors. they SCREAM. as for megatech motors, i dont know if they fit, but the MZR motors are by far better.
supra528
02-26-2003, 08:01 PM
yah. know... i was saying that it would be cheaper to get the delphi indy car cuz i already got a radio... well ill decide soon on which one im getting.. also, can you put in a better radio system into the f1's??
crypt
02-27-2003, 06:15 PM
there is an optional radio for the z, sanwa m8 with 27 mhz module, you have it at http://catalog.rcmodel.com.hk it´s about 175 $ and if you have this radio you can buy the module for about 60 $
crypt
02-27-2003, 06:15 PM
there is an optional radio for the z, sanwa m8 with 27 mhz module, you have it at http://catalog.rcmodel.com.hk it´s about 175 $ and if you have this radio you can buy the module for about 60 $
judyent
02-27-2003, 10:56 PM
Tower Hobbies has z's for as low as $89.00 ready to go. Get one of them instead of buying the radio parts. You can get bodies as low as $9.99 depending on style. I bought the Subaru and and an f40 body for 120.00
roadragehobbies
04-04-2003, 10:40 PM
Originally posted by crypt
well here it goes:
- Aluminium motor case (13´9 $)
- Ball bearings (7 $)
- Ball differential (14´9 $)
- Softer tires set (5´8 $)
- Rear center shock (11 $)
- Battery clips (9´9 $)
- Front knuckle 2 degree (3´9 $)
well all the cost is 77´4 $ but you must add shipping costs about 15 $ (the total amount is about 92´4 $) that´s not soo much money, you can spend it in two or saturday´s nights , or going out to have dinner with your family, so really i think it isn´t too much money, if you compare with other car categories, where a pair of tires gets in 17 $ or a set of shock about 40 $, no mention engines, pipes...
You can do better than $15.00 on shipping. $5.50 ought to do it.
roadragehobbies.com (http://www.roadragehobbies.com)
Alex-Maxx
04-06-2003, 06:06 PM
Ijust traded and got myself a mini-z today
crypt
04-06-2003, 07:44 PM
well, living in the usa maybe the shipping costs gets down at 5.5$ but living in spain that the sippings.
roadragehobbies
04-06-2003, 09:35 PM
Sorry, didn't catch that you were in spain. We do deliver there. We charge by weight. I'm sure 15.50 is a good starting point though. :)
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crypt
04-07-2003, 04:59 PM
well, for the mini z i usually shop at dimball (rcmart.com) is a shop in hong kong, but there are some mero shops, here in spain the prices for that cars are a little expensive :(
roadragehobbies
04-07-2003, 09:25 PM
Yes, we ship to Spain. For one Mini Z it would cost around 22.00 usd for shipping.
roadragehobbies
04-13-2003, 07:47 PM
How 'bout a new Mini Z specific forum? This thing is getting way too long. I think the popularity ranks it up there on par with the "very own catergory bunch". :)
William
Road Rage Hobbies (http://www.roadragehobbies.com)
Alex-Maxx
04-14-2003, 03:51 PM
where can i get a f-1 mini-z wheel, does anyone have an extra, i need one and i dont think my lhs has any.
abarreraa
04-18-2003, 11:44 AM
Originally posted by crypt
there is an optional radio for the z, sanwa m8 with 27 mhz module, you have it at http://catalog.rcmodel.com.hk it´s about 175 $ and if you have this radio you can buy the module for about 60 $
Is there any similar for Futaba 3PK?
Thanks
crypt
04-18-2003, 05:30 PM
well i think that there is no other for the 3pk, but really i don´t know, surely it will be released soon, think that the 3pk is a "brand new" radio, maybe there´s no module for it yet.
off road mini-z is here the overland still 2wd tho but it can tow like there is no today 10lbs on stock motor i saw a video of a regular mini-z pulling 8lbs without help tho but not on stock motor
Henry G
05-02-2003, 10:58 PM
Where can I get the best price on mini z? is it possible to get one without a radio? I already have the kt-2 that comes with it. I have a ep pureten.
roadragehobbies
05-03-2003, 09:21 AM
Originally posted by Henry G
Where can I get the best price on mini z? is it possible to get one without a radio? I already have the kt-2 that comes with it. I have a ep pureten.
We have one for sale at 99.99, it's the complete kit, but it can't be all bad having an extra radio. :)
Road Rage Hobbies (http://www.roadragehobbies.com)
crypt
05-03-2003, 04:54 PM
well, i usually buy at rcmart.com it´s a japanesse shop, and if there are kits with no radio, try miniz nude, but i don´t know whats offers it, (no radio sure, but maybe no body... take a look)
roadragehobbies
05-03-2003, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by crypt
well, i usually buy at rcmart.com it´s a japanesse shop......
Not to knock rcmart.com they do a nice job....but to your advantage, we offer $5.50 flat rate shipping. You can buy 15 mini z's and we'll only charge you $5.50 for shipping. No surprises. Of course, this only applies to orders shipped in the US
Thanks,
William
Road Rage Hobbies Online (http://www.roadragehobbies.com)
info@roadragehobbies.com
Henry G
05-04-2003, 12:40 AM
thanks guys:)
minijosh
05-14-2003, 11:20 PM
Why is the duratrax delphi rtr and prebuilt in the off road section? What is that all about hehe???
roadragehobbies
05-14-2003, 11:41 PM
Originally posted by minijosh
Why is the duratrax delphi rtr and prebuilt in the off road section? What is that all about hehe???
You didn't know you could off-road with those, eh? We originally just had an electric Duratrax page and haven't moved those two off yet to the onroad section.....but really, they catch some major air :)
minijosh
05-15-2003, 01:29 AM
do you have a video? can you offroad one of these mini z's? i just got hooked up with a mini z and a micro rs4. this will save me so much more room than my collection of 1/10 cars.
Originally posted by 379
off road mini-z is here the overland still 2wd tho but it can tow like there is no today 10lbs on stock motor i saw a video of a regular mini-z pulling 8lbs without help tho but not on stock motor
^j!nx^
05-17-2003, 04:58 PM
new cam. now means i can actualy photo the mini-z :D other cam suched at closeups
here is just a test shot
http://users.nac.net/rs-scooby/rcd/miniz-rim.JPG
ignore the dust :D its been a while sence i have driven it
roadragehobbies
05-18-2003, 12:45 AM
Originally posted by ^j!nx^
......ignore the dust :D its been a while sence i have driven it
At least you can see the dust! Nice camera. Mine also has trouble taking shots from close in. Not that it's top of the line in the first place. It's actually a digital video recorder that I can take snap shots with.
Bring us some more nice close ups!
minijosh
05-18-2003, 11:56 PM
where can I buy extra aftermarket bodies at?
MikeWz
05-24-2003, 01:10 AM
Just got a New F-1 Mini Z. Are any of the Mini Z Racer and F1 parts interchangeable?
Sparx
05-24-2003, 05:11 AM
The motor is about the only thing that's the same.
MikeWz
05-24-2003, 01:23 PM
What about the ball diff. They look pretty much the same.
roadragehobbies
05-24-2003, 11:41 PM
Originally posted by MikeWz
What about the ball diff. They look pretty much the same.
No, they are not interchangable (somebody correct me if I'm wrong). The F1 has it's own ball diff assembly.
Sparx
05-25-2003, 05:18 AM
The F1 diff has a longer axle
Dinternetman
05-26-2003, 08:32 PM
I saw a mini z on ebay and it was only 9.99 and I think it is a cheap imitation. Could you guys tell me if i'm righthttp://images.andale.com/f2/128/108/8065087/1036389026647_mini_zbmw1.JPG
http://images.andale.com/f2/128/108/8065087/1036386234003_mini_zchasis.JPG
The ebay number is 3132482039
^j!nx^
05-26-2003, 09:05 PM
Originally posted by Dinternetman
I saw a mini z on ebay and it was only 9.99 and I think it is a cheap imitation. Could you guys tell me if i'm righthttp://images.andale.com/f2/128/108/8065087/1036389026647_mini_zbmw1.JPG
http://images.andale.com/f2/128/108/8065087/1036386234003_mini_zchasis.JPG
The ebay number is 3132482039
It is a fake, how ever it is better then a kyosho palm runner. The palm runner has a fixed rear axle, and 2 cells. That fake i belive is 4 cells, and has a gear diff in the rear
ZeroMax
05-27-2003, 04:47 AM
wow sweet! a mini-Z peformace with a cheap priced car. shame that plastic doesn't look too promising it looks like those soft cheap plastic with can get heated easily and break but probaly lighter than the origainal mini-Z plastic and i'm not too sure about the name. But as it is only 9.99 its worth a try
minijosh
05-27-2003, 04:18 PM
I say go for it. If it turns out to be an ok vehicle to play at home with, what is wrong with that? Bet you can swap bits out.
Se_12alty
05-29-2003, 05:04 AM
as the saying goes "you get what you pay for"
if anything go for the 2 for 1 deal, i think i saw 2 wannabe Kyosho mini z's for $40 or something. they look just as good but i hear the radio's steering adn throttle trim are fakes.
LosiXXX-NTRacer
05-29-2003, 10:52 PM
HELP PLEASE .......
ok this may already be posted but I am having trouble with my mini - z. It glitches real bad even just sitting still. the wheels just wont stay straight. I have had it apart once... see nothing wrong, can someone help me out? Thanx
Se_12alty
05-29-2003, 11:26 PM
Can't say for sure what the problem maybe but I have a feeling maybe the connection on the wires, it maybe loose or not secured properly. my 1/10 scale car is glitching bad too, but that was from the servo, dunno if its because its bad or maybe the receiver is going bad. good luck.
Originally posted by LosiXXX-NTRacer
HELP PLEASE .......
ok this may already be posted but I am having trouble with my mini - z. It glitches real bad even just sitting still. the wheels just wont stay straight. I have had it apart once... see nothing wrong, can someone help me out? Thanx
Mini-Z man
05-29-2003, 11:35 PM
Make sure your using the right remote if you have multiple prefix radio remotes. I have two kyoshos with similar remotes and mixed them up because the kyosho prefix radios look identical. Turns out I was using the remote for my ultima. I put the batteries in my other prefix and the glitching stoped. If that's not the case, then your problem most likly lies with the radio. Are your remote batteries fresh, are the crystals in? In my case, the kyosho was not getting signal from the remote and it was glitching like crazy, so I'm preaty sure you have a signal problem... Se_12alty check pm.. my mini-z will soon be Se_12alty's :)
LosiXXX-NTRacer
05-30-2003, 12:32 AM
yes my batteries are brand new so thats not it .....
Dinternetman
05-30-2003, 12:40 AM
i'm sorry if anyone bought one of those imitation mini z's as a result of my posting it here. But I found a site describing them in detail that they are a real POS. here it ishttp://mywebpages.comcast.net/draconious/Mini-Z/_FakeMini-Z.html
roadragehobbies
06-01-2003, 03:46 PM
Sorry to change the subject....
I'm looking to organize a race in the Kalamazoo, Michigan area. I have tenative hold on a conference room at the Holiday Inn. The race would take place in either August or September.
There would be 4 classes, all open, and two tracks. One Oval, One Road Course.
So the classes would be:
F1 Open Road Course
Racer Open Road Course
F1 Open Oval
Racer Open Oval.
To fit the event into one day, there would be a limit of 30 cars per class. No limit on the amount of classes that can be entered. The classes will be staggered all day. 5 min. qualifiers, 10 min. mains.
Entry Fee would be $15.00 for the first class, and $12.00 each class after. Also $3.00 for a pit spot in the racing room.
This would be an all day event, starting with registration in the morning. A few hours of open practice and then racing, ending sometime around 8 or 9 in the evening. I can also block off rooms for those coming out of town. This event would be either on a Saturday or Sunday, depending on availability of space.
2 qualifiying rounds and one main in each class.
I'm trying to gauge interest before I begin to fork over the money for the space, the track materials, prizes, and other items.
Let me know. Once I have a feel for those interested. I will begin preparations, and put more details, along with registration forms up. on my site.
Hope to hear from you.
__________________
Se_12alty
06-09-2003, 09:24 PM
Got my mini z and just had time to run it! Thanks to mini z man.
Anyone notice the "0" braking and extream turbo reverse? This car is great but i guess i'll have to start practicing cuz on tuesday i'm goign to be racing at my LHS. Me and a friend ordered some parts online and i hope the rear suspension kit will help the rear from mass wheel hop. This car is great and i'm goign to try to race stock and when the parts come in i'll drop in my slot car tamiya motor. Hope to post pix of track and other stuff soon.
jimmy
06-11-2003, 03:17 AM
Originally posted by crypt
well, i usually buy at rcmart.com it´s a japanesse shop, and if there are kits with no radio, try miniz nude, but i don´t know whats offers it, (no radio sure, but maybe no body... take a look)
Well, try to quote at www.rcsquare.com and you may have some surprise! The freight is cheaper then rcmart.:D
Se_12alty
06-12-2003, 07:18 PM
I ran my mini z at the local track as soon as i got my car "BONE STOCK". To my surprise it kept up but due to my lack of track experience I was blown away by half the competition. All of them had mod motors ball diff., bearings, suspension upgrades; the whole 9 yards. 100% of them had very low riding bodies which turns out to be a great benefit because my Subaru has way to much upper center of gravity. I was getting shoveald (sp) out of the way and when my car wasn't wheel hopping on a turn it was flipping from a collision. My next major upgrade will be wider rims and tires and a nice low riding body! Hope some of this will help you guys out when buying your mini's or just working on it.
Mini-Z man
06-12-2003, 11:46 PM
oh man that's awesome. I never knew people raced these. Sounds like real fun, I wish I could see! Can you make a video? haha.. ok later man hope you like it.
AznJunkie
06-14-2003, 04:40 PM
Se_12alty and I don't have a digi camcorder. I have a digi cam (still shots only). I will take pix of the new track (we are expanding the current one) and other cars. I will post back Tuesday night.
It was fun racing. Se_12alty lived up to his name as the backward racer (long story). :D For some reason his car was faster than mine. Mine is brand new and all stock. :confused:
AznJunkie
Mini-Z man
06-14-2003, 05:02 PM
Maybe it was gearing. I sent optional gears with se_12alty's car
AznJunkie
06-14-2003, 05:59 PM
Naw we were running the 6t pinion and the same batteries. His reverse seems faster than all of us too. :)
duratraxman
06-14-2003, 10:43 PM
i jsut picked up a futuba 1/20 indy car. i got it for $70. i know this isnt a miniz but hey its close. if i like this car i will get the mini z but i got some questins. do you think miniz tires would fit this car, its a 1/20. thanx guys. aslo does any one have this car?
big2wons
06-14-2003, 11:02 PM
hi all,
i'm new to this car and was wondering if you can put an FM radio receiver? And if so where i can get instructions on how to do this.
Thanks.
AznJunkie
06-14-2003, 11:55 PM
Duratraxman –
Futaba Indy tires specs:
Diameter: 30mm (front) 32mm (rear)
Width: 13mm (front) 17mm (rear)
F1 Mini Z tires specs:
Diameter: 25mm (front) 25mm (rear)
Width: 12/14mm (front) 16mm (rear)
The width is close, but the diameter is smaller. (All info found on towerhobbies.com)
big2wons – I’m not sure if you can use another receiver with the mini z. The mini has an integrated esc and receiver.
AznJunkie
06-16-2003, 12:08 AM
Here's pix of me Mini Z.
AznJunkie
06-16-2003, 12:10 AM
Body
Version2.4
06-16-2003, 07:42 PM
I have a few questions for you all.
1. What are the top five hop ups to get for the mini z?
2. What tires are good for wood floor to get grip?
3. What tires are good for wood floor in order to drift a bit?
Anything I should know about the mini z before i buy one?
Mini-Z man
06-16-2003, 08:44 PM
oh man that's hot. I love mini-z's because they are so much cheaper to upgrade, it's just i don't have anyone to race.
stock tires dont get any grip on wood at all and 20degree tires will grab gr8
AznJunkie
06-17-2003, 12:34 PM
Version2.4 –
1) Ball bearings, Ball diff, Tires, Motor, and maybe springs (single, dual, or all).
Ball bearings and ball diff are must have IMO. If you get a wide body car (bodies like a Corvette, CLK, NSX, or Supra) it should have wide tires. Motor if you want to go faster. Springs is really up to you. Some people like springs others don’t, try it and see if you like it.
2) I really don’t know. Maybe soft tires.
3) Hard tires should make you drift.
Se_12alty
06-17-2003, 12:53 PM
yes i agree, everything Azn Junkie said is a good mod or hop-up must have. Here is a pic of my mini z with a few minor changes since the day i got it. :p
Se_12alty
06-17-2003, 12:56 PM
Ever see a mini with a sun roof! Yup i cut it out thinking it would help. Since the body had such high center of gravity i shed some weigth from the top. we'll see if it helps tonite while i race it. hope the body will stay in place cuz it may have weaken the top section.
AznJunkie
06-17-2003, 10:56 PM
Here's a pic of the track. As you can see about 60% of the track is flat while the other 40% goes up to about 10” high. We just completed the track today, so that’s why it doesn’t look nice.
The guy on the right is Se_12alty.
AznJunkie
06-17-2003, 10:58 PM
Another view of the track. Can you find Se_12alty Subaru?
wcrotty
06-18-2003, 08:39 AM
Great track. Where are you located?
You guys going to the Mini Z cup put on
by kyosho? We all had a great time in NY.
www.kyosho.com
wcrotty
06-18-2003, 08:41 AM
What are you guys going to do about lap counting?
AznJunkie
06-18-2003, 11:51 AM
We just started mini z racing, so we suck. lol, naw we just to practice more. We are located in Tampa, FL. The cup race for our region is on 6/19. Some of our racers said they were going, but we’re (me and Se_12alty) not.
Some guy made a lap counter for us. He made it out of pcv pipes. The problem is that he doesn’t show up all the time. So we just the count your lap out loud system.
Se_12alty
06-18-2003, 12:24 PM
Practice indeed we must young Padawan. :D When we get the skills aquired for the Kyosho we can enter but for now i'm just an obstical on the track.
Mini-Z man
06-18-2003, 03:01 PM
oh man that's awesome! that subaru looks nothing like the day I sold it to you lol looks real nice, great idea with the sunroof.
Oh yea keep me updated on it, I'd love to see how my old car is doing/looks.
Aluma
06-25-2003, 07:29 PM
Hi y'all... I'm new to the mini-z world and have LOTS of questions... I hope y'all can help. :D I was asked to build a track...
1. What are the best materials to build a track with?
2. is 10ftX16ft enough for a nice track?
3. What type of tires and hopups are necessary to get some nice handling and speed out of these cars?
4. Which mini-z is the best to start racing with?
5. How do you keep track of laps?
Se_12alty
06-25-2003, 07:58 PM
1. the bottom is just wood boards placed as foundation, top was plywood, the surface was just roofing the soft kind (downfall it slowly rubs off and gets on your car), the guard rail was just rubber hosing one on top of another.
2. 10'x16' sounds good for a track the new one as pictured is 24'x10'.
3. Hop-ups are listed above. As far as tires, go w/ the wider set and softer is better.
4. The track built at our lhs has inclines and some minor bumps but if your track is wide and flat i think F1 racers would be great.
If not then the main goal when getting a mini z is just buy one with a wide body and longer wheel base.
5. For the moment we are using the honor system and leader say's lap number.
microrcdude
06-25-2003, 08:48 PM
Today, I got a great idea. I thaught about starting a new style of mini-z racing. How does short track mini-z racing sound?? I know that if they race on ozite, racing would be competitive. 1/2'' PVC pipe is a good inner barrer, but their would be 1'' PVC on the outside.
CLASSES:
Stock racer
Stock F1
Spec racer
spec F1
open F1
Open racer
beetle cup
I would love any ideas
wcrotty
06-26-2003, 09:35 AM
1
I think ozite carpet on plywood is the best way to go for traction.
I have tried almost every surface. Painted plywood with grit paint is
good but the grove will ware down and loose traction. With carpet
the grove gets more traction as you run on it.
For the walls home depot has plastic sheetrock corner beading for arcs.
It works well and is cheep but you may need to back it with hose.
Also gutter downspouts work well.
2
10x16 is just fine. In my basement I have a track that is 20x8 and it
work very well. 2-2 1/2 foot lane.
3
Yep wider is better. PN has the best hop up parts for the money.
4
I'm not a huge F1 fan. They just don't handle like the cars.
The vette, CLK, supra, and Honda work very well. Any wide and long
body.
5
There are a couple systems out there to buy and they very in price ranges
and styles.
The Crottys custom R/C www.crottyscustomrc.com is a flag system.
So a flag goes at different heights on the antenna to count the different cars.
Not a high tech system but works well. cost $400
Lap Z www.lapz.com system is another transponder type system out of Norway.
You have to mound the transponder under the body. Or on the roof. It
uses Infra red beams to do the counting. Mini Zs always are glitchy so
mounting it under the body may cause problems. Not sure the cost
but the last time I talked to them it was $600-$800 (could be wrong)
The AMB http://ambrc.com/index.php system is a transponder
type system. I tried it at the NY mini z cup race. When in the car it glitched
real bad. So I had to put the transponder on the roof and at 60 bucks a
pop I hated it. It uses some elector magnetic signature. Cost $3000 +/-
microrcdude
06-26-2003, 03:20 PM
What tires should the stock guys run on hardwood floor? Mod guys?
microrcdude
06-26-2003, 06:04 PM
Do you think that I could use the roll suspension W/o a damper. Or, could i use this too:
Se_12alty
06-27-2003, 09:36 AM
from what i hear you can, but also i hear some people say that both have the same effect and if combined who knows but i'm sure if you use both w/ soft springs and soft "H" plate it should work fine.
By the way does anyone know the gearing for the X-Speed motor. I also heard not all x-speed's are created equal. But none the less let me know what you guys think I should gear it at. Picture of track is above straight away is 24 feet. Thanks
Se_ Ralty
Aluma
06-27-2003, 08:22 PM
hows that internal antenna option? is it any good? will it glitch....:P
Aluma
06-27-2003, 08:23 PM
hows that internal antenna option? is it any good? will it glitch....:P
Oh yeah... is the porsche gt3 a wide/long body like the vette?
AznJunkie
06-27-2003, 09:02 PM
I don’t know how good the Kyosho internal antenna is. I haven’t used it yet. The corvette has a longer wheelbase and is a bit wider than the GT-3.
GT-3
Width: 2.6" (67mm)
Wheelbase: 3.5" (90mm)
Corvette
Width: 2.8" (70mm)
Wheelbase: 3.7" (94mm)
If you get the Taisan GT3R Porsche (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXEBE1**&P=7), it will come with wide tires in the rear like the corvette. But it will still have the same wheelbase as the Porsche GT-3.
junior081
06-30-2003, 12:03 AM
hey aznjunkie have u ever raced at the hobbytown in brandon if not try to come out this tuesday at 6pm.we just made the track bigger.
AznJunkie
06-30-2003, 12:29 AM
http://pic4.picturetrail.com/VOL51/1046955/2348183/28417891.jpg
http://www.nissantalk.com/forum/images/smilies/repost.gif
Looks familiar junior081. Yeah Se_12alty and I go there. We started about 3 weeks ago. We’ll see you on Tuesday. We be the asian guys.
Se_12alty
07-01-2003, 04:08 PM
Got my new body, x-speed motor, clear blue chasis, light kit and thats about it.
Se_12alty
07-01-2003, 04:10 PM
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Se_12alty
07-01-2003, 04:13 PM
both.
Aluma
07-09-2003, 07:26 PM
heres my mini outta the box...no hops on it in the pic...
I think it IS the taisan with a different color scheme cuz its got the wide rear tires. :D
minijosh
07-18-2003, 03:07 AM
where did u find that body at? i have 2 celica's still in package. I own the silver merc. Does anyone know what size it is? It is the D2 benz for you info. I have a huge problem with glitching. When I run my stock Kyosho controller, my car goes wild but when I throw the crystals into my Tamiya Adspec, works perfect. Has anyone else had this problem?
AznJunkie
07-18-2003, 10:53 AM
Minijosh – Here’s spec on the D2 Benz:
Body-
Length: 6.6" (169mm)
Width: 2.9" (74mm)
Wheelbase: 3.7" (94mm)
Height: 1.7" (44mm)
As for the controller, it may be a bad controller. Try and go to a LHS and try another Perfex radio if it works then it’s your radio.
And how did you get the Celica's. I didn’t know Kyosho makes Celica bodies. :confused:
minijosh
07-18-2003, 02:35 PM
opps my fault, they are supras. hehe silly me. don't even know my own stash
REDRUM
07-23-2003, 11:31 PM
i was looking at the mini-zs on tower...and i cant find whats so cool about them...i mean...u cant upgrade it very good...not like the micro rs4...i mean...u can get lights...just like the micro...new motors...just like the micro...tires, rims, bodies(which are prepainted for the zs which i find annoying because id rather pick my style...theyre 2wd copmpared to the 4wd of the micro...u cant get that good of a motor, compared to the chubby for the micro..theres not as good upgrades as there are for the micro...u can race more than six micros(using 75 mhz) u can use standard size electronics, u can use packs, theres soo much more you can do with a micro compared to a mini z...and did i mention speed difference?
AznJunkie
07-24-2003, 01:28 AM
REDRUM – Se_12alty and I had Micros before. Both Mini and Micro has there pros and cons. You can’t really compare them to each other. Both are different in size and other characteristics as you mentioned. We like the Mini because we race them. There’s not of places here where they race Micros. With the Mini there are two tracks that we go to. With the Mini you can actually race more than six cars. You can purchase off frequency 27MHz crystals (like what we did). There are also upgrades for the integrated ESC that allows you to run a faster motor. Just like the Micro you can also change the suspension setup for the front and rear. Speaking of the standard size electronics, a website offers a pan car style chassis that allows you to run the same electronics as your micro. And you can also run packs w/ the same chassis. As for speed goes, anyone with a faster car won’t always win races. Smaller cars run smaller tracks, with your micro you run a track similar to a 1/10 scale car.
Se_12alty
07-24-2003, 01:33 AM
Aznjunkie good points! And they also offer unpainted white bodies that you can paint yourself.
MURDER=REDRUM
Don't forget that the two cars are in their own classes. This debate can go on forever but simply; its not worth arguing over such matters anyways. People like you are the one's who drive inferior Honda's and rev their "Fart Pipes" Good Nite Sir! "Tips Hat" ;)
junior081
07-24-2003, 02:55 AM
hey eddie we runnin modified stocks thursday? ill make sure i bring my modified stock motor.get that beetle ready for me to put it in.c ya thursday at the small track........
Se_12alty
07-24-2003, 03:29 AM
Originally posted by junior081
modified stock motor.get that beetle
hahah you're joking right, nah beetle needs to be retired. I'll be running the first skyline body made by kyosho, i'll the beetle body if you want to run the body :D Damn boy go to bed or quit messing with your brother Tim. It's 3am. Okay GUY!!!
P.S. If you GUY'S are going to stay up so late lets go fishing at least!
spreckenzy
07-24-2003, 03:00 PM
i am thinking about buying a mini z. i have a few questions.
does the mini z eliminate the need for batery chargers?
does the kit include everything except batteries?
do you use aaa batteries for the car itself?
what kind of run time do you get?
AznJunkie
07-24-2003, 04:02 PM
Spreckenzy - The Mini Z come RTR with everything you need but batteries (like most RTR). The Mini Z (car) uses 4 AAA batteries while the transmitter uses 8 AA batteries. You can use Alkaline or rechargeable AAA batteries (Nicd or Nimh). You’ll get better performance with Nicd or Nimh and plus you’ll save money in the long run. You don’t need a charger if running alkaline. You will only need a charger if you’re running Nicd or Nimh. Energizer and Duracell both sell overnight chargers for $20 or so.
Run time really depends on the motor you are running and the mah of your batteries. With the stock motor and 750mah batteries I get about 1 hour of use.
spreckenzy
07-24-2003, 04:04 PM
thanks these little cars look like alot of fun and alot less stuff need to run them.
AznJunkie
07-25-2003, 01:40 PM
Hey spreckenzy I have one mini z for sale. Check your pm or email me.
aznjunkie@yahoo.com
spreckenzy
07-25-2003, 03:31 PM
Aznjunkie that does look like a good deal but i need to get rid of some other stuff first. thanks again for the offer.
HauntedMyst
08-11-2003, 02:52 AM
I just got a mini z on ebay for $20 wooooot!
Se_12alty
08-11-2003, 09:32 AM
Yeah but unfortunately it's not KYOSHO brand. :( on a few pages back there was a thread on the fake mini z made by Hei Pao, you can see what you are getting and read more on the poor quality. But for $20 bucks hey it's worth making people look bad at the track if you beat them with it. :D
Originally posted by HauntedMyst
I just got a mini z on ebay for $20 wooooot!
HauntedMyst
08-11-2003, 03:24 PM
Actually, it is a Kyosho, the McLaren F1, used the guy says is in excellent condition. The radio is a Kyosho Perfex. I never thought I'd buy one of these but the radio was worth $20 to me for my kid! :D This is the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3141203807&category=2565&rd=1
Now I may have to buy another to race him in the winter.
Se_12alty
08-11-2003, 06:02 PM
good find, sorry didn't mean to sound like a jerk. http://www.nissantalk.com/forum/images/smilies/pat.gif alot of the fake mini's are on ebay and they run for $20. great find and have fun with your new car.
Originally posted by HauntedMyst
Actually, it is a Kyosho, the McLaren F1, used the guy says is in excellent condition. The radio is a Kyosho Perfex. I never thought I'd buy one of these but the radio was worth $20 to me for my kid! :D This is the auction: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3141203807&category=2565&rd=1
Now I may have to buy another to race him in the winter.
HauntedMyst
08-11-2003, 10:18 PM
no problem, ya had me scared there for a moment, then I checked!
Is there anything I should put on the F1 to make it:
1. More durable
2. Run better
and of course
3. Faster
AznJunkie
08-11-2003, 11:03 PM
1) Run the plastic bumper in the front. And just don’t hit anything. :D
2 & 3) Ball bearings, Stainless kingpins, Aluminum locknut, Ball diff, X speed motor, and Tires (stocks are pretty hard). There are other hop ups for the F1 that you might need/want. I have a bone stock F1, so I don’t know what is good or needed to make it run better.
crypt
08-12-2003, 01:06 PM
well my f1 is coming tomorrow, also i have a racer, are the pinion gears so fragile as in the racer, but well i can´t wait, the hours are soooooooooooo long:D :D :D :D :D
AznJunkie
08-12-2003, 01:20 PM
crypt - The pinion gears are the same as the racer. So far I don't have any problems with the pinion gears.
crypt
08-12-2003, 07:05 PM
well, i know that with some bodies (audi tt... and some others like this) when the wheels are turned, it get out off the body too much, so when you have a crash, usually the pinion gear get broken, not like clk or other gt cars (those cars are wider), where the front wheels have a better protection with the body, so the f1 has no protection, the wheels are uncover and that´s my doubt.
AznJunkie
08-12-2003, 11:35 PM
Oh I see your point. I race with a wide body Skyline so I don't have that problem with my racer. I haven't race the F1 yet. Not enought people and the tracks are kinda small. Plus both tracks have an upper level and I bottom out all the time when I go up and back down. :(
The owner of one of the track is making a portable outdoor track. It will be bigger than the existing track it's for faster Mini Zs and F1s. :)
crypt
08-13-2003, 12:11 PM
well aznjunkie, this morning the f1 has arrived, it is really luxury :D , i had prove it and my doubts was out, it resist all the normal crashes when you run it, it´s more estable (i don´t know if it is well write, i´m from spain :o sorry my english), and it performs better than the stock z racer, i proved it in a home made track (4meter long, 2 m wide stand carpet) a little track but it works really well, really it´s a goooooooooooood car, totally recomended!!!!!!!
HauntedMyst
08-16-2003, 12:06 AM
I was looking on Tower for another Mini Z F1 so I would have 2 of them around to race. Some of the F1's are $109, others go up to $149? What's up with that? Are they like pro versions or is this just Kyosho's crack head pricing striking again. Sorry for the basic questions, I know almost nothing about these cars.
AznJunkie
08-16-2003, 12:18 AM
If I’m not mistaken all the F1 are the same. The all come with the same wheelbase and parts. The only thing different is the body. It’s crazy that Kyosho is making a killing on different bodies.
Oh BTW anyone here got the new Mini Z (MR-02) yet??
Mr. P
08-18-2003, 02:23 AM
Net Zone is opening a new track for Micro RS4 and Mini Z. This is an indoor track, it is 40 feet long, 18 feet wide. Surface is Ozite carpet, facility is air conditioned, power outlets and refreshments. The track address is 1505 S. Riverside Ave, Rialto, CA 92376, Tel 909/877-2648. Opening date is August 26, 2003.
In the same facility we also have 36 PCs for PC gaming. So if you want to take out your aggression you can do it in Counter Strike!!!!, Diablo II, Warcraft or Battle Field all under one roof!!!!
Thanks
dizzy
08-21-2003, 03:52 AM
I'm about to get a MiniZ F1, and have read several reviews/info sheets that state that up to 12 can be run at a time. Kyosho's site only says you can run 6, and Tower only lists 6 options for the car or the crystal sets. Whats the scoop?
Thanks
-David
AznJunkie
08-22-2003, 07:39 PM
The Mini Z operates on 27MHz. Kyosho listed 6 cars because here in the US there are only 6 different channels for 27MHz. For Japan markets/area there are 12 different 27MHz channels. So if you live in the US you can only buy the Mini Z in the 6 different channels.
However you can actually run a lot of Mini Z at once. Rcmart sells off frequency 27MHz crystals which will work with the Mini Z. Those frequencies are not sold in the US because there are used for other device/people (ie CB radio etc.). They have over 20 different sets. The most we ever ran at our track was like 9 or 10 at once and that was too crowed.
dizzy
08-23-2003, 02:08 AM
Thanks...
-David
<ans>
09-08-2003, 03:33 PM
heres my low overland, put drinking straws in the stock shocks :p
pretty fun. enjoy
Se_12alty
09-09-2003, 12:22 AM
ans your toyo looks good, next maybe a new paint job. hehe can i recommend the dupli chamelon and drop some dubs with it. teh hottness it would be! :D http://www.nissantalk.com/forum/images/smilies/largeokay.gif
<ans>
09-09-2003, 01:53 PM
thanks! i want a X-5 next. very nice.
Tamiya4eva
09-23-2003, 08:58 PM
How does the MiniZ work on concrete and asphalt? As long as its not to dirty and smooth, they would seem to work fine to me. :)
Tamiya4eva
09-26-2003, 07:57 PM
Hellooooooooooo Anyone out there? Has anyone ran there mini Z on a smooth asphalt street?
AznJunkie
09-26-2003, 09:55 PM
I haven’t run my Mini Z on asphalt yet. I run mine on a smooth track. As long as the asphalt is smooth and not bumpy it should be ok. The spur gear sits very low. So any uneven or non smooth surface will chew up the spur gear.
AEcrazyT3
10-02-2003, 04:15 AM
Mini-Z OverLand... Just got one.. Cool Land Cruiser rally type.. Anyhow.. I stuck batteries in it and went to put the body on and noticed a shock had broke.. Well not the shock but the plastic that holds the shock onto the rear tranny... Are these things just really brakable or what? Are there even replacement parts for something like that? Thanks for your help...
-Z noob...
AznJunkie
10-02-2003, 12:07 PM
AEcrazyT3 – I don’t have an Overland so I don’t know how durable it is. Mini Z in general can be durable only with the body on. Without the body you can/will break some parts.
You can buy parts from you LHS (if they carry it) or Towerhobbies: http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0005p?&I=KYOD32**&P=Z
Look in you manual for the part number of the part that is broken. I did a little research for you. If it’s the top part that is broken you need part number: MV06. If it’s the bottom, then it’s the gear box:
MV07.
AEcrazyT3
10-03-2003, 01:43 AM
Hey Thanks for your help AznJunkie. I ended up talking to the LHS about it and he took it back and gave me a new one. Im sure it was just a one time craftsmanship error.. no biggie. The new Overland is sweet! I am amazed at its off road abilities. Its a blast around the house and the back yard (no grass).. Now im thinking about getting another one.....!
Se_12alty
10-08-2003, 02:12 AM
Man we need to wake this forum up! Maybe i will post some pix of my mini's now since my old pic is well.... old. :D
Kenji
10-09-2003, 07:38 PM
Has anyone run an Overland against a regular mini z or the new MR02's in an actual race?
I have an Overland with ball bearings, the Kyosho mod motor X, and various tires.
How does the Overland perform alongside the other mini z's in an actual race on a track?
ronestar
10-12-2003, 04:37 PM
Hey guys , I want to start racing Mini-Z's competitively but would like to know if a digital transmitter makes a huge difference over Kyosho's Perfex system ? I don't really see how any of the special settings can be applied to such a small scale car. Thanks
AznJunkie
10-12-2003, 07:32 PM
Yeah we need to wake this forum up.
Kenji – Comparing an overland to a racer is like compare apples to oranges. The overland has a higher CG and is very easy to flip. Honestly I don’t think the overland will compete with a racer.
ronestar - I really don’t think you will use all the features the digital radio offer, but you never know it might come in handy. There are three people at my track that race with M8’s and they still get beat but people using the Perfex. The good thing about having a digital radio is that you can use the same radio for all your rc cars instead of switching radios all the time.
Se_12alty
10-13-2003, 12:26 AM
I agree aznjunkie. The OL has to high of CG (center of gravity) and will not be as fast as a racer in action. As for the Prefix vs. the Digitals. You are right, it will make little to no difference. With a digital radio you can apply brake but with the F1's and MR02's they have the feature already. And with the old one you can set the throttle trim to reverse to add drag. So in reality its a good rather then a necessity.
Aluma
11-06-2003, 02:41 PM
what kind of tires would ya'll use to race on this type of foam track?
Se_12alty
11-06-2003, 09:45 PM
the track seems pretty technical. to be honest i've never ran foam before but i'm inclined to think it is similar to carpet. i think 20's to 30 degree tires would suffice but will have much traction. Every car/track has different characteristics, try to play around with the different tires, springs, "H" plates, and even diff. setting. Its the only way to set it up.
^j!nx^
11-09-2003, 08:06 PM
Has anyone tried the new I-C3 rayovac Batts? there frig'n awsome
800mah
15 minute quick charger
Se_12alty
11-10-2003, 12:20 AM
a few people run them at our track but IMO it will be just as good as the standard Nimh batts. except you have a quick 15min. rapid charge.....maybe more punch? But all in all i think its all about driving consistency and not hitting the walls, that wins races.
wcrotty
11-14-2003, 01:36 PM
Check out this race in NY.......sounds like it's going to rock.
PN Racing Challenge
Trophies 1st-3rd A-C Main 1st-3rd additional mains win prizes.
First Place Each Class wins 2 nights Hotel + Round trip Airfare to Hong Kong for the Hong Kong National Championships in Feb.
The PN Challenge will be held. December 14th 2003
at
HKS Hobby Inc.
96 Canal Street #203, New York, NY 10002
Phone (212) 966-8486
Rules
Open Class-
Motor - Hand Out Speedy Motor
Chassis - Kyosho Mini-Z and Pro-Z
Body- Kyosho Mini-Z plastic body only
Bearing - Any brand
ESC - Kyosho Mini-Z ESC no Turbo no upgrade Fets
Battery - Any 4 pieces AAA
Wheel - Any plastic or aluminum
Tire - Any rubber tire (no foam tire)
Transmitter - Any brand
Hop Up parts - Any brand no restriction
Weight Minimum 175g without transponder
Entry Fee - Open Class US$25.00
PRO Class
Motor - Hand Out SO3 Motor
Chassis - Kyosho Mini-Z and Pro-Z
Body- Kyosho Mini-Z plastic body only
Bearing - Any brand
ESC - Kyosho Mini-Z ESC Turbo or upgrade Fets
Battery - Any 4 pieces AAA
Wheel - Any plastic or aluminum
Tire - Any rubber tire (no foam tire)
Transmitter - Any brand
Hop Up parts - Any brand no restriction
Weight Minimum 175g without transponder
Pro Class - US$35.00
minijosh
11-28-2003, 05:09 AM
I wish I could come and watch the racing. I love racing and I have never seen a real mini z race. I am stuck here in England where there isn't too much mini racing done. It seems that the mini craze had died out overhere so far. :(
^j!nx^
11-30-2003, 01:23 PM
so i was racing my Z today and hit the walls very hard. Well some parts broke. But the one part i am having trouble finding a replacement for it the pin the goes threw the front nuckle for the steering. If i buy aftermarket nuckles will it come with that pin? or does anyone know of a part# for a replacement?
AznJunkie
12-11-2003, 01:02 AM
^j!nx^ sorry for the very late answer, yes if you buy a new knuckle it will come with it. Kyosho doesn't sell just that part.
Se_12alty
12-11-2003, 10:08 AM
if you are talking about the knuckle's pin that goes inside of it, the same pin that the wheel nut bolts on to, then yes after market and stock replacement knucles has the pin inside. if you are talking about the king pin that goes through vertically (longer black one) and you bent it. you should just get the aftermarket polished ones. here is the part number for the nucks. LXUJ39 or just go to tower, type Mini z and it will load an assortment of parts.
uaerc
12-12-2003, 08:25 AM
Hi
I just bought a Mini - Z Overland and this car is one hell of a piece of entertainment at just around 130$ its a steal. I was driving it the whole day today in and around the house.
It comes with a radio and you just have to put in the batteries and it starts running. Comes with optional Diff. locks and chasis extension gear. A Set of pinion gears to change gear ratios.......You can buy rechargeable batteries and this car is gonna ROCK. with unlimited time........
Any one tried the X - Speed Optional Motor let me know how much difference does this motor make..... I wanna get one of these with the ball bearings hop ups.
any one lowered the overland ?
Are there any major diff- in the new Mr-02 chasis and the older ones.
regards
Aziz
AznJunkie
12-12-2003, 09:45 AM
I don’t have an overland so I really can’t answer your question.
The X-speed will make your car a bit faster. Not all X-speed are made the same some will be faster than others.
Advantages I see the mr-02 has over the mr-01 are:
1)s Lower CG due to the batteries laying low and also the car is drop like 4mm.
2)s Servo saver, so more broken gears.
3)s It now has brakes. Before it just kicks into reverse.
4)s Less glitching. Hardly any glitching on the mr-02.
Cons are:
1)s Knuckles brakes easily.
2)s H plate brakes easily.
3)s Only one body will fit the mr-02 perfectly (the enzo)
4)s My opinion only, mr-02 fishtail to easily. Even with a Kyosho ball diff my car still fishtail here and there.
aantonis
12-13-2003, 06:45 AM
Well I bought an MR-02 from Hong Kong a couple of weeks ago and I am really pleased. I agree with the afformentioned pros and cons although on Kyosho.co.jp site there is already a Lambo body which looks good (not as good as the Enzo though)
AznJunkie
12-13-2003, 09:17 AM
Yeah Kyosho jp site shows the lambo, but it's not for sale yet. That's why I said there's only one body. Another thing is parts is kinda hard to come by for the mr-02
CarterTG
12-13-2003, 12:26 PM
I'm hoping these will be arriving from HK in a few weeks...
CarterTG
12-13-2003, 12:29 PM
one more on a different channel...
CarterTG
12-13-2003, 12:36 PM
..and the Mini-Z I'm most stoked 'bout :) :D :)
crypt
12-13-2003, 05:29 PM
well... i have three of those machines, a mr01 with clk body all hopped up, a f1 ferrari #2 with ball bearings and ball diff, and the stock overland, about the mr01 and f1, there is a great abism in the drive way, the mr01 is so nervous and unestable, and the f1 is faster and easy to drive, really i recomend the f1, if you can´t have one of each :D :D :D :D :D :D :D the overland is terrible torque but not for speed, it gets upside down easily, but it´s terrific, i love all of them, next car the monster z :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:
^j!nx^
12-13-2003, 09:35 PM
4 of my MR-01's and my XMOD
http://rs-scooby.com/albums/R-C/miniz_008.sized.jpg
uaerc
12-14-2003, 06:52 AM
Originally posted by CarterTG
I'm hoping these will be arriving from HK in a few weeks...
Yeah These are Tempting...... can you share the links for site you bought it from in HK
cheers
Aziz
CarterTG
12-14-2003, 09:03 AM
Originally posted by uaerc
...can you share the links for site you bought it from in HK
Nope. :D
Didn't buy it from a site. I have a friend in HK who did some shopping for me after I helped him find a new PDA in the US.
If you're looking for HK sites, some chat buddies gave me a few links still in my browser's history cache and a few others from the RCTech site:
HobbyOnSale.com (http://www.hobbyonsale.com)
RadioControlCentre (http://controlcentre.rctech.net)
RCModel (http://shopping.rcmodel.com.hk)
If it weren't for my contact, I'd be looking for the MR02 chassis on eBay. As of this post, I've found 4 listings by using the search words "Kyosho MR-02 Enzo". Frankly, I'm surprised there were THAT many still listed considering the only domestic source is from Tower's distributor; and THEY'VE been claiming it won't be in stock 'til late December. My LHS orders virtually all it's stuff from Tower's distributor too, so if Tower doesn't have it, the LHS can't get it either. That's why I opted to get it from HK.
Little_Horn
12-14-2003, 06:21 PM
Wich one will be better (handling)?
Tell what u think...
I like the RM more, because we can use MR-01 bodies... ;)
if u wanna see some MR-02 RM (NSX) fotos click here (http://www.chaserrc.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=131)
uaerc
12-17-2003, 07:45 AM
Hi
Just got my self the x-speed motor and put it on the OVERLAND Pajero along with the Chrome underguard.....just makes it look better......when its overturned !! haha
well the motor is quite good with a 12T pinion its just to fast wonder how it will be with a 9T.........quick ............very quick ~
Top speed is good
put on the diff locks yesterday with the normal motor works good strong traction with that and would have done wonders if this was a 4 wheel......i think they should come out with a 4 wheel version of the overland would be really exciting to see that........
Is the monster Mini z ........a 4x4 ??
oh yeah........just to confirm the X speed Motor also fits the Overland aswell as the Racer .. Is that correct. !!?
Cheer
Aziz
uaerc
12-17-2003, 07:55 AM
Hi
Just one more thing......... Has anyone used Tamiya Motors on the MINI - Z Racers......as i was at the LHS today saw some tamiya motors just as big as the X Speeds? only without the wire connectors.......a little welding here and there would fix it.........unless.......there is some technical restrictions...... ?
and mind you these motors are amazingly fast........i had seen some of those on those small palm size freedom racers. you could not even see them just hear them !!!!1
anyone done this ? ?
cheers
Aziz:eek: