Trinity - Reflex 10 Competition Nitro Touring Car

[SteveP]

Reflex NT Touring Car

1/10th Nitro Touring Car from Trinity is here. It has battery plates, front tower brace and rear brace. Centrifugal 2-speed tranmission with 2-shoe clutchbell and threaded aluminum shocks. Some other special features are listed below.

Special Features:
Red aluminum chassis
Center supports
Carbon fiber upper deck
Rear Shock tower


Part: NT1000
Price: $475 retail

http://www.rcnitro.com/cmhs/trinrf10-1.jpg

http://www.rcnitro.com/cmhs/trinrf10-2.jpg

[ 09-06-2001: Message edited by: SteveP ]

[mavrick0611]

it looks color then the elctric version. If i was getting a Nitro TC, it would be a hard decsion between that and a nitro tc3!

[MightyTaco]

Please tell me trinity is planning on setting the gear mesh a little better before they run it! lol..

I love the red chassis. very nice.

[phdeez]

I glad it comes with a rear shock tower!! :D And yes, I hope they fix that mesh too...kinda ugly!

[DOOD]

Looks like a Mugen/Kyosho hybrid with hop-ups. I was expecting more.

[Shakedown]

Yep, looks like a hopped up V-one-R. Imagine how much the parts are going to be.

[Scomp87]

I was interested in a MTX-2 until I saw this....

[NitroRacer10]

Too bad V one R is not much more than a Serpent Impulse!!!!!!!!!! So I guess you could say reflex is an Impulse copier!

[ 09-13-2001: Message edited by: NitroRacer10 ]

[Shakedown]

NitroRacer10, If you look closely at a Kyosho V-one-R and the Trinity car, you will notice that the Trinity car IS a slightly altered V-one-R. The tranny and fuel tank are Serpent units and the chassis is a aftermarket piece from a company that specializes in Kyosho cars.

[ 09-15-2001: Message edited by: Shakedown ]

[SkipGear]

It may be similar to the Mugen/Serpent/Kyosho cars but there are some big differences.

#1 The fuel tank is mounted down the centerline of the car unlike all the cars mentioned above. This keeps the left to right weight bias consistant from full to empty tank. (The Serpent is close to the center line but is off by 1/4", the Mugen and Kyoshos are almost completly off to one side, very bad for consistant handling)

#2 The steering servo is mounted along the centerline of the chassis (or darn close). This makes both tie rods the same length and gets rid of differing left and right bump steer problems in the other cars mentioned.

#3 You can't mount the battery pack much lower in a car than trinity did. I like the bottom mount battery cover.

#4 One thing you can't see from the pictures here. Everything is mounted as low as it can in the chassis.

I have ran a Serpent before with great success, after creating a new top plate that fixxed all the above mentioned items in it. Lowering the CG in the car improved lap times by seconds on a 25 second a lap track. When all the other brands are traction rolling because of high CG, my car is carving corners. I like the looks of the Reflex, they addressed all the problems in the current designs.

[ 09-15-2001: Message edited by: SkipGear ]

[maxxxracer]

Skipgear, about the serpent, if you get the wolfpack upperdeck it will fix problems 1 and 3 in your list and the serpent alreadh has the servo in the center line of the car.

[SkipGear]

Maxx,
The wolf pack top plate moves the tank in the wrong direction (forward if I remeber) and moves the front to rear CG of the car.
The servo is off center by approx. 1/4" also. Look at the tie rods, there is a left and right. They are not the same length.
In the top plate that I made, the steering servo was completey moved from it's current position and belcrank steering was installed so that I could adjust ackerman.

[ 09-15-2001: Message edited by: SkipGear ]

[kyosho]

Bottom line they copy the vone r. Also about how the vone r fuel tank you can lower more if you want using the kawahara upper deck or the fivestar one. After using the above upper deck the fuel tank is basically touching the chassis. The fuel tank is center bottom line. Those are my opinons coming from a vone r owner not one from just that lookes at pictures and saying all these things about other companys.

[SkipGear]

You guys keep saying, you can fix this or that by purchasing this hop up or that hop up. By the look of this car, you WON'T need hopups. It appears to be right out of the box, only time will tell.

[Hellonu]

yes its a copy or just similar to others.. But what trinity might do for everyone is provide a USA made car with parts that all hobby shops will carry. 4 shops in my area non carry serpent. Mugen can be tricky too... So a USA made car means Horison and great planes will carry parts

[Shakedown]

Skip, have you actually seen a Kyosho V-one-R? It has the center mounted tank, steering servo and battery. The lowered battery mount IS a aftermarket chassis for the V-one-R that allows you to mount the batt to the chassis. You may be thinking of the Kyosho V-one-S.

Check out the V-one-R forum on HPI's non HPI nitro BB.

[SkipGear]

Shakedown, You are right about the mistake between the VS and the VR. I forgot about that. The VR is a very nice car but I have run Kyosho before (in the late 80's early 90's) and parts are a bear to get. I hear the same is true for the guys running MP7.5's now. Pick what you like and run it.

I just get irritated at all this, THEY copied THEM stuff. There are only so many ways you can get the power from the motor to the wheels in a 1/10 nitro car so it is inevitable that they are going to look like each other. All these cars are copies of 1/8 cars anyhow. LOL

[ 09-17-2001: Message edited by: SkipGear ]

[losifreak2004]

Kyosho - Bottom line, they took many ideas and put them together. Until you get the car and some calipers, how do you know everything is the same? Just because it LOOKS the same doesn't mean it has to be anywhere close.

[Enrique.v]

I'm not going to say any names but the 2 Speed looks very much like the one on my car :)

[Ovalman19]

The 2speed looks like the ones on my Impacts, and also on all the vectors and impulses I have seen. I think it is good they chose that one. It can take the abuse of some of the baddest .21's out there, and it should be able to handle any .12 you throw at it. The car looks very good. All the new pro level cars look similar. Don't hate on the car.

[Coconut]

Loks good. Change those ballcups. Looks ready to race.How for the street price.

[Leinzey]

All I can say is, I WANT ONE!

[kitracer]

trinity did not copy V-One-R. They used V-One-R parts on the pic.
and modified with existing after market parts. The arms, the gear box, the layout of servo & fuel tank, the drive chain...( look at the long mid belt on the left, found only in V-One-R) is all made by Kyosho.
Kyosho either making this car for Trinity as a OEM project or Trinity is ordering bit & pcs from the market and package their own label.

But this car WILL be out of box kicking butt , if parts are cheap.
By the way, I don't know what kyosho in US is doing, in Hong Kong, V-One-R is the most common nitro car. I can buy parts in almost every shop plus is the cheapest one out there.

Car - the one way version USD225.00
Parts - front U drive USD18.20 pair

[Ovalman12]

The Kyosho car is not the only car on the market with a long middle belt, the Serpent Impulse, Impact, and Vector all have long middle belts, and they were out before the Kyosho. Why does everyone keep saying that this is a VoneR???A VoneR is just a Kyosho MTX2, which is just a Mugen Impulse. All the cars look alike, And I hate it when people who have been in the hobby for 3months, and to them the Kyosho VoneR is the newest and best touring car, then they compare stuff to it, when the Serpent Impulse was out way before it, and really, it was the beggining of the Pro Nitro Touring Cars. So, shut up about the VoneR crap, if you don't like the car, don't buy it, if you do like it, and are so inclined, do buy it, but don't talk trash, when you don't know $h!t

[Shawn_S]

Jumping onto a different subject... what are the 2 body clips on either side of the fuel tank for? Do they hold the tank on?

[999Disaster]

anyone notice that the reflex is just a fully hopped up kyosho v-one-r with the name scratched out and trinity slapped on?

those bastards are really cheap!

[losi]

sweet car:D

[atm92484_3]

If I didn't have a Nitro TC3 coming I'd seriously consider this car. Its pretty cool.

For all of you people saying that they copied off of everyone else, think about this: we wouldn't have any 2wd buggies/trucks if no one copied Associated's original RC10. The design worked and thats why people used it. Have you ever heard the saying "if it ain't broke, don't fix it"? Plus if no one copied and improved upon a previous design, RC would be pretty sad and uncompetitive. There'd be one car dominating.

While you're at it, why not acuse Proline of making their tires look like Losi's. :rolleyes:

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[boom]

that chassis and upper deck/fuel tank as well are the rest of carbon parts are K factory hop ups for the V1R though..... I wonder where the rest of the car is from.

check these

http://www.kfactoryracing.com/graphics/k1129(ss).jpg
http://www.kfactoryracing.com/graphics/k1131(sss).jpg
http://www.kfactoryracing.com/graphics/k1130(sss).jpg
http://www.kfactoryracing.com/graphics/k1102(ss).jpg

Just noticed KFactory is a Taiwanese company..... so I will assume the rest of the car is built by some Taiwanese RC company which is designed to specs hop ups originally for the V1R

Just noticed another thing....... what happened to that GS racing touring car? This looks some "form" of it...... just hidden behind Trinity's distributorship. Those Taiwanese companies are always jumbling their RC parts on the table as if they were playing Ma-Jiang.....

[winning edge designs]

Well,I guess alot of people upset about copy talk are done!!!

I was thinking of getting the Trinity car,actually,still am. But i'll wait and see if it's much cheaper or not. If it isn't i'll buy the origional Kyosho V1R and the hoped up chassis and tank.......Jim

[hypertech]

Well the price ain't that bad for a car with the right stuff already in da box, Tower's price is http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p.pgm?Q=1&I=LXBBU2&P=7

Who cares if the Kyosho suspension or driveline parts are a direct fit, not me cause it just means that if the Trinity parts are not hangin on the wall a Kyosho part might be. Also if a "good" or "similar" base car is maketed by 2 huge companies it makes the car popular and that means aftermarket stuff will be plentiful indeed....

I tell ya the Reflex NT is on my shopping list ........along with a Trinity\Picco P12RR to complete the package :)

Way to go Trinity...the "good stuff" tradition continues

[Leinzey]

Don't forget, Tower always has their prices higher before the product is realeased. It will probably go down some before they get it in stock.

[V-OneR Racer]

Looks good. People are right it is just a hopped up V One R I know becuse I have a V One R and some of those hopups :) This is not a bad thing, to buy a V One R plus the hopups will cost way more than $391. And hopefully by having Trinity parts being mostly interchangable then the parts supply will be two times larger and hopefully cheaper.

Don't get fooled however, all the hopups on the Trinity are the "nice to have" variety that makes the car look nicer but really do not offer that great of a benefit. The metal gears for the side belt are really the only main useful hopup. If this thing goes as well as my V One R (and why won't it) then it will be a winner.

[leebenny]

My friend told me the Reflex 10 is V One R originally.

The different between Reflex 10 and V One R is:

Reflex ten is a combination of V One R parts plus Team Magic's option parts.

Team Magic is a Taiwan Company!

It's hard to believe that, but it may possible, what do you guys think?

:) :) :D :D :p :p

[boom]

Da 2 Dua 4 Le 4.......

[winning edge designs]

I think the new Trinity version will have machined aluminum pistons as well,with O-rings. The Kyosho version has teflon pistons,right?
What type of sway bar does the Kyosho car use?......Jim

[maxxxracer]

Well this is interesting. I think I may get the NT now, it has all the hop ups that i was gonna put on the impulse if i got it for the same price. hmm....

[maxxxracer]

I am getting tired of waiting, when is it coming out?

[winning edge designs]

The Reflex NT is supposed to be released right before christmas,but it will be close I think. I do think it will be a great car,i'm running the V one R,which the Reflex is sharing ALOT of it's parts with and it works very well! Much better in fact than my Impulse ever did. Feels more nimble and lighter,even though they're weight is fairly close..........Supposedly the Reflex car will be availbale for about $299 roughly,maybe less!...I payed that for my kyosho without the improved chassis and upper deck,or universals...Jim

[maxxxracer]

Jim, its 289 at tower, and their prices suck for cars. IE: KE 7.5, it is 150 dollars overpriced from some other online stores.

[winning edge designs]

maxx,true,but since Tower is Great Planes,the sole importer of Kyosho,i'm sure thier kyosho prices are inflated to try and keep market value higher?.........They are inline on alot of stuff,but kyosho,O.S.,Futaba,etc they keep high to set standards for thier own benifit....Notice how Most M.O. companies don't show O.S. or kyosho prices usually,bad to make great planes angry if they are your main distributor.

Superior hobbies guys were "guessing" $289-$299.....Besides,when a car is new it usually pulls down a little more,maybe $20 more then after it's been around a while or so?....Those who wait may be able to get it for $269-279 by next summer,we'll see.........:),Jim

[TweakRacer]

Originally posted by winning edge designs
The Reflex NT is supposed to be released right before christmas,but it will be close I think. I do think it will be a great car,i'm running the V one R,which the Reflex is sharing ALOT of it's parts with and it works very well! Much better in fact than my Impulse ever did. Feels more nimble and lighter,even though they're weight is fairly close..........Supposedly the Reflex car will be availbale for about $299 roughly,maybe less!...I payed that for my kyosho without the improved chassis and upper deck,or universals...Jim

Hi Jim, I noticed you mentioned universals. Does the Reflex come with them? By the way, how do you know so much about the car? As far as I understand Chris Smith is the only one testing a prototype on the West coast, while Josh Cyrul/Joel Johnson (one of those J's, I can't remember right now :)) is the only one testing on the East coast.

[Chris Smith]

TweakRacer: The Reflex will come equiped with universals all around. Myself, Joel Johnson, and Rich at Trinity have been testing the car for a few months now.

Shawn_S: The two clips next to the fuel tank hold the tank to the radio tray from the bottom.

All: The Reflex will be boxed up and shipped to the distributors by the 15th of December. This has been a great car so far. After more running it will only get better.

Chris

[maxxxracer]

*Is on his way to the highlands as we speak.

Its only a 4 hour drive. Less if we do the posted I5 speed limit.

I must! see this car run!

But seriosly, Chris, how does the car run compared to other onroads that you have driven?

[maxxxracer]

Also, when you say rich at trinity, please say your talking about Saxton. I bet i can squeeze some info out of him on S-grid

[Chris Smith]

maxxxracer: No, it's not Rich Saxton, although he is using akot of the same parts on his VoneR from what I've heard. The car has been great, I haven't had any abnormal problems since I started running it a couple monthe ago. The car is very nimble, but stuck to the ground. I use the analogy on anothe forum, it's nimble like a VoneR but stuck like an Impulse. I would definitely suggest the Reflex if you are looking for a new car.

Chris

[maxxxracer]

So i take it, that it is lighter than the rock solid impulse.

EDIT: oh, by the way, is the alluminum primary shaft and the alluminum pully gears really lighter than plastic and steel?

I have been wondering this for a long time. (althought you wont ever strip the gears)

[winning edge designs]

tweakracer,no i'm not running a prototype,only the few guys mentioned have that privelage. I did however do ALOT of research on the Reflex NT and ALL nitro sedans recently,since becoming interested in another/newer car. I found out with some digging the Trinity car is a V one R,but it will include several specially made items,as well as ALOT of the K factory hop-ups you would have to buy seperatly with the Kyosho V one R.........And at a substantial savings! I'm not positive who makes the shocks,but they may also be either K factory or partly made by titan tech. The front upper arms and rear hubs are another mystery,there mold parting lines are unique(but the part has the same geometry).Possibly an updated or re tooled version of the V one R's parts.


I can say that at our monthly Superior Hobbies race,with over 120 entries I TQed in gas sedan by two seconds shy of Two full laps at my first race with my V one R! I ran a 21 5:07.21,2nd qualifier ran 19 5:09!.....I also won the 10 minute main (after some major crashes getting thru traffic) by over 2 laps,with a chunked tire,damaged body,but no car damage at all!!!.............The V one R and it's Brother the Reflex NT are the new standard in gas sedan racing!!!......IMO,Jim

[winning edge designs]

maxx,I wouldn't think the aluminum's main objective is wieght savings,aluminum is heavier then plastic. First there is the Oooohhhhhh factor,second a machined aluminum part will usually be truer then a molded plastic part,due to shrinkage,etc in the molding process... Also machining aluminum pulleys gives an added bonus,you can tool up different ratios fairly easy,without making molds, a very expensive task!.......Jim

[maxxxracer]

ok, just wondering

[Chris Smith]

maxxxracer: As Jim mentioned above; aluminum pulleys are not lighter than plastic ones, they run more true. I have not had any problems with the plastic ones when I was running the VoneR, the aluminum pulleys on the Reflex give you a better feeling. Jim also mentioned the K Factory hopups, the Reflex parts are made by K Factory. They are the same as the voner hopups only they come with the car instead of separately. The plastic parts on the Reflex are different from the plastic on the voner, they are much stiffer material. The Reflex has held up real well, I really like the way it drives. I havent weighed the Reflex vs. the Impulse but I would think it is a little lighter.

Jim: Great job with the VoneR, it is a good car. I agree with you, the Reflex and the VoneR are the best handling 200mm cars on the market.

Chris

[TweakRacer]

Thanks Jim and Chris (nice to see you here too)!
Yeah, it's nice to know someone else spends so much time and effort 'studyin' our little toy cars! Jim, I feel you on that one man, I spend way too much time on the internet for our lil cars! :)

Hey Chris, I am still thinking about whether or not to go to Revelation since it's re-opening. I will be at CP on Sunday to run my Impacts and my Vector. But I haven't raced done the 200mm thing in a while; which is ironic since I still have all the top TC's except the K-car (I think I have more into my GT-4... wait, I do have more into my Wolfpack'ed Impulse than I have into my Vector! Crazy!:)) Oh yeah, BTW, will the chassis really be RED?:confused: Oh, and I figured out the whole GS thing: Team Magic is the Sole Distributor for K-Factory (as well as H.A.R.D.) and since GS is selling the Shock GT (1/8th on-roader) with their Sonic (RTR) label; GS's car will also be the K-Factory/Trinity car! Ah-Ha! :)

[maxxxracer]

TweakRacer, the chassis and all alluinum parts will not be red as stated in their adds.

[TweakRacer]

Originally posted by maxxxracer
TweakRacer, the chassis and all alluinum parts will not be red as stated in their adds.

YES!!! There is a God! :D
Thanks man. Awesome.
I like my cars looking like racing machines, not a Tyco; although Nikko's.... Hehe ;)

[maxxxracer]

Amen to that. Red is G A Y. Especially on the chassis. I am going to go start a Reflex thread in the cars forum

[winning edge designs]

Tweak,thats how I feel about the blue,LOL!.....Thank goodness for oven cleaner,well,except on the shocks!......Don't want to effect the valving!

I wish they would release cars with Silver parts only,and have pretty colors for options,maybe even more then one choice,like Hardcore has?............Aarrrrggg!,:),Jim

[Chris Smith]

TweakRacer: The cars will not be red like the pictures in the mags. All the parts are silber except for the shock caps which are blue. It's easy to put a ton of bucks into a car, with the Reflex you won't have to, its got it all. You sound like you have been searching for the source of the Reflex. You did a good job. Maybe I'll see you on Saturday.

Jim: The only anodized patrs on the car are the shock caps. Choices of colors are great. The blue on the shock caps looks good.

Chris

[ja5on]

Hey Guys,
From your responses, it seems as if none of you like the idea of a red chassis..

But as stupid as it may sound, beyond all of the built in hop-ups, the red chassis and shock caps are a MAJOR reason that I wanted the car!!

Are you sure that they won't be anodized red when released? Where are you getting this info from?

And if this lack of red IS true, will the red parts from the prototypes be available as hop-up parts from Trinity?

Sorry for these relatively unimportant questions, but the answeres really will determine if I get this car or not.. Please offer any information that you know of regarding this..

Thanks!

[winning edge designs]

ja5on,if anyone knows,Chris will and since he said it won't,i'm fairly sure he'll be accurate on that. It won't make the car any different,other then color,but color could also be what set it apart!........I'd like to see Trinity go back to it's hey day,PURPLE,or red will do. Just very tired of "Me Too Blue"!.........everyone has thier preference I guess,if everone had thier way it could be available in 8 different colors and still not be enough!......Jim

[maxxxracer]

If you are so incistent on red, go have it annodized, or do it yourself. Its not that expensive. Just 10 bucks worth of stuff.

I cant wait to get my reflex for christmas!

[Chris Smith]

ja5on: Both of the cars I have received so far have had blue shock caps, hard anodized shock bosies, and all silver accessories. Mabey in the future Trinity will have red accessories.

Chris

[TweakRacer]

Originally posted by maxxxracer
If you are so incistent on red, go have it annodized, or do it yourself. Its not that expensive. Just 10 bucks worth of stuff.

I cant wait to get my reflex for christmas!

Agreed. Replacing all the aluminum parts with 'factory options' in red would be cost prohibitive. R/C Car Action used to have and ad by a company that does all sorts of cool anodizing, and the magazine even used that company's service on some of their previous project cars. As far as I understand, it would not be very expensive to take your new naturally finished aluminum pieces to a local shop and have that done. Try lookin at motorcyle (street and off-road) shops. Good Luck! I hope the silver color won't turn you off to a sweet ride for next season!

[apextrans]

I don't think it really matters whose parts make up the car. It's pretty much hopped to the gills. As it was mentioned above, just more places to get parts. I've tricked out a few TC's, & that, as everyone knows, costs a freakin fortune!! This looks to be a car you pull out of the box & run the pi$$ out of. What's wrong with that? Anyone want to buy my OB4 so I can get one of these w/out getting a divorce?:D

[carbsmith]

Urrrrrrrrgggggggghhhhhhh!
I'm exhaust system money short of racing one this summer!
i guess it happens when you only make less than $40US(app.) a month!
Cursed exchange rate!:mad:
I guess I could settle for less motor...

[winning edge designs]

Tuff deal,you may be able to find some decent used stuff on E bay,etc. Just be carefull and ask questions of the sellers,to be sure your getting decent used equipment,not stuff they were throwing out!.........Try and stay away from used engines,never know,but pipes,hard parts etc are sometimes a great deal!.....:).

I just bid on some parts myself!...Jim

[Chris Smith]

ALL: The Reflex NT shipped to the distributers today, they should be in the hobby shops next week.

Chris

[ja5on]

WOOOHOOOO!!!!!

(any final word on the fate of the red chassis and shock caps?)

[TweakRacer]

Chris, that's awesome! Mine is reserved at Hobby People already! Cheers everyone! :D

[Chris Smith]

ja5on: The shock caps will be blue, the rest of the aluminum parts will be natural silver.

Chris

[M 5]

Originally posted by 999Disaster
anyone notice that the reflex is just a fully hopped up kyosho v-one-r with the name scratched out and trinity slapped on?

those bastards are really cheap!
Didn't know you were called 999Disaster, shoildn't it be Disaster999 or Disaster 911?:D

[Howdy_Beecha]

I think that the red aluminum looks cool for a kyosho ripoff but if you read the ad on the back of RCNITRO it says in fine prit that the red anodizing is only to make the aluminum parts more visible and that the production car will have polished aluminum. Lookin more V-oneish by the minuite.

[maxxxracer]

God, you people are relentlis. (sp)

[Coconut]

I think if you will check that Kyosho has a reputation of copying more than any other company I know;just look at their products. But all copy to a extent. I personally think that Kyosho has come to some kind of a deal with Trinity. Kyosho has never developed the VIR since it came on the market. Their parts are hard to find. Most relie on aftermarket products to deveop their personal cars. Trinity has vast experience in developing cars and some of the best drivers in the world. The only market that Kyosho has been able to crack in the US is in 1/8th off road,wre they hired the drivers. off road electric cars have flopped. There just copies of Losi and associated cars and they dominate the market. Even Serpent copied their great two speed from associated. Serpent has dominated the nitro on road market because they learned first what great support can do in the market. Its the team drivers who really make the difference between a just so so car and a really good one; because they develop it. Its the same in real racing; just look at Ferrari before they hired Michalel.

[winning edge designs]

In my opinion,Ofna and Traxxas are the best known for "copying".Kyosho like a few other companies takes a current well though out design and makes what they feel are improvements to it,or changes to make it less expensive to manufacture,usually both.


Trinity it seems to me does have a deal with kyosho,obviously purchasing a majority of the parts from them and K Factory,having a few of the molded parts made elsewhere(or yet to be released improvements we havent seen yet from big K),then packing it all together. They will however come up with quite a few "hop-ups"as usual. Even though they advertise "all in one box,ready to race",there is always room for improvement. Nothing wrong with offering the VERY competitive V One R in a better package,cheaper and with more availability of parts(Hopefully?)!!!....Just wish it wasn't still BLUE parts,AARRRGgggg,LOL........:),Jim

[ja5on]

has anyone received one yet? if so, please post pics!!

[winning edge designs]

I know Superior hobbies got a few in stock,but they may have sold them out already?.........407.834.9299...........$289.,Jim

[Chris Smith]

Pix are on the HPI Forum.

Chris

[thrustdiamond]

Unfortunately the real Reflex won't have the red parts, they're all natural and some blue. I kinda liked the red. :(

[ja5on]

I agree,

Even though it obviously makes no difference in performance, I crossed the Reflex off my Christmas wish list once it was confirmed that there would be no red chassis, shock, caps, etc..

Yes, I know I can have the chassis anodized for $10 etc, but it defeats the point.. Why spend more more to get a new car looking like what it was SUPPOSED to originally???

I love the design, layout, and hop-up features of the Reflex, but I won't be buying one unless Trinity ships a second version like the one they ADVERTISED for so many months.

Petty? Yes. But still my $.02

[White cat]

Originally posted by Coconut
I think if you will check that Kyosho has a reputation of copying more than any other company I know;just look at their products. But all copy to a extent. I personally think that Kyosho has come to some kind of a deal with Trinity. Kyosho has never developed the VIR since it came on the market. Their parts are hard to find. Most relie on aftermarket products to deveop their personal cars. Trinity has vast experience in developing cars and some of the best drivers in the world. The only market that Kyosho has been able to crack in the US is in 1/8th off road,wre they hired the drivers. off road electric cars have flopped. There just copies of Losi and associated cars and they dominate the market. Even Serpent copied their great two speed from associated. Serpent has dominated the nitro on road market because they learned first what great support can do in the market. Its the team drivers who really make the difference between a just so so car and a really good one; because they develop it. Its the same in real racing; just look at Ferrari before they hired Michalel.

Wow! You are misleading other readers!:mad:

[maxxxracer]

ja5on, if you were clued in, the only reason they had the red anno was becuase of the pics. Not having it makes it look really bad in pics and it was just a proto. They wernt really sure what they were going to put in the finished kit at the time, but the still needed to advertise.

[winning edge designs]

I think some of his points are valid,except that Ferrari established themselves as a force way back in the 50's,before Michael Schumacher. Also Kyosho isn't the biggest for copying,Traxxas is,other then the T-Maxx,they tried aluminum cars like the RC10,with the bullet. Composite cars like the Pro-Se/JRX-T with the TRX-1/Rustler.........Kyosho didn't copy the "blizzard",thier Submarine,tractors,motorcycle,ATV,electric planes,Helicopters or many of thier other vehicles,in fact they are usually at the forefront of Trial and Error. Thier latest attempt at "off-road" race vehicles was a fairly blatant copy of the A/E vehicles,with some things they felt improved on the current design. Some they thought would work,but possibly didn't. At least they new that it needed to have most parts in common to have a shot at being accepted,but yet it still failed.

Strange how a good car like a Schumacher 2w finds little acceptance for being to "different",yet a car like the New Ultima line finds little acceptance for being a "copy"....................R/C'ers are a tuff crowd to please!............:),Jim

[nitrothugg]

is the reflex compatible for a pullstart engine?

[Chris Smith]

nitrothugg: No, the reflex can only use a non pulstart engine.

Chris

[sweettooth666]

hey does anyone know where i could catch the National Hobby Show? i live in toronto canada, i dunno, maybe if you could give me a web site or something that would be great

sweettooth666

[maxxxracer]

Well this is the forum that has the best coverage of the show.