GS Racing Storm and Storm Pro

[hvp014]

1000 replies!

[rcharry]

Do you even have a storm?

Hey guys, i have some ques for the pro's or experts.
1. What is passive and aggresive, as for shock mounting?
2. How much should i fill my shocks up with oil. I heard, to much and they will blow.
thansk

[not.enough.toys]

If your asking me if I have a storm , the answer is no. I went to the lhs to check them out. Not a bad looking buggy. I like the billet pieces as well as the fuel spill tray. One guy showed up with a brand new one but was unable to drive due to technical problems. And then a new mbx5 started ripping up the track. Another nice buggy.......but costs alot more too.

[hvp014]

r u asking me? then yea. sry, i didn't have any questions to ask. but whats better the special rear shock tower part no. GS-STP09 (in storm manual) or the foroini (spelling) tower? or r they both the same?

[Stormin]

I would say the GS pro shock towers are better than the fioroni ones. The GS pro towers come down lower and attach to either side of the bulkhead. I'm not sure if fioroni ever updated their towers because their pictures still look like the old ones. Also the GS towers are $10 cheaper.

[rcharry]

not enough toys, i wasnt asking you. but id get the storm pro over the MBX-5. It kinda looks cheaply made. I saw some close ups and the rear chassie braces are like the ones on the rtr storm.You think they could put thick alum ones on, for a $700 buggy.
hvp i was asking you, and id get the pro ones, i got them and i think the front one is thicker than the firoini one.

[carlton eppes]

I like the updated shock towers from GS but I have bent 2 of them. I never bent any of the older ones. I think the reason they bent is the large hole that was milled into it - I assume to lighten it.

[Stormin]

Wow that pretty stange. I bent my front RTR tower almost immediately. However I've had the PRO towers for about a year know and havn't had any problems.

[integra d12]

LOL... I bent a rear Pro tower but um... I also sheared off all the screws to the wing mount. I was doing something totally stupid and realy I proly would not have bent it but, I had too see how far I could jump it.... Landed upside down from about 8 feet in the air and movin at a pretty good speed (os v01 full boar) and well you now the rest. But it bent back into place farly well I got a new Storm pro one for when the bent one desides to BREAK.

[fitj]

Chassis opinions - Hardcore Ti or new Fioroni ?
Just ruined a new Dynamite Pro chassis this weekend (2nd run) got rear ended by other buggy going about 30mph faster than me during practice. Instead of breaking the arm or shearing one of the screws holding the AL camber block on, it ripped the rear screw out the side of the hole and cracked the front one. Strangely, the arm, block, hingepin and screws were all perfectly ok.
so, once I can afford it, which chassis should I get? I like the setup of the Fioroni that avoids the weak hole positions, but I am also inclined to trust the strength of titanium.

[rcharry]

epps, doesnt the stock one have the big hole in the middle too?
Fitj, id get the Fironi chassie, i bet its really cheaper and would probabley last just as long.
And what does passive and aggresive mean as for shock mounting???!?!!

[fishstix]

What shock oil do you use for a hard packed dirt?? also what springs should I use??

[carlton eppes]

rcharry if I remember correctly ( doubtful) the older pro towers had smaller holes than the newer ones. The ones I've bent were bent at the bottom of the long hole. They were easy enough to straighten out again but I'm considering making some carbon fiber ones.

[rcharry]

Fishstix i use 45 in front and 35 in back. I also use kyosho blue springs all around.
Eppes they have carbon fiber ones, and i think they would break pretty easy too!! They wouldnt be able to take the weight of the buggy at a hard impact.

[rolo]

Anyone knows what site I can order the Fioroni chasis kit or parts for the storm?

thanks in advance

[fishstix]

Thanks rcharry. I'm trying to get things ready for me to run it. I bought it used and I want to be able to race and bash with it the first time I take it out.

[Killer87]

For those of you who live close to houston:

A new track on the West side of Houston has opened up and THRC is having a race there this weekend. The people who own the track are kinda on a short budget, so it would be great if any of you could come to help them out. Check out the Nitrocross site for track layout, phone number, and the address. The don't carry any storm parts yet but then again they don't even carry any 7.5 parts either. Like I said, they are a LOW BUDGET hobby shop. The owners are very nice and when I spoke to them they said they'll carry the basic parts for the Storm and they might have them by this weekend. If you can make it, please come.

Thanks,
Erik

[Killer87]

Oh and btw, I have recently purchased a used OS V01b and I will have pics soon. The difference between the GS and the OS, is that the OS has TONS of power. I also changed fuels a little while after I got the motor and went from O'donnell 20% to Maxy's 30%. The difference between the two fuels was phenominal. It was like the difference between a .15 and a .21. For those of you who can get ahold of Maxy's I would strongly suggest trying it.

[fishstix]

the person that I buy fuel from just carries maxy's fuel. a few members in the club run with the maxy's and said it runs better and keeps the temps down. I have yet to try it but that is what I'm going to run in my GS Storm

[hvp014]

hey i need help finding a good set of tires for all serfaces, inserts and other than white color rims. runnin the stockers flat can't grip anything:rolleyes: help would be appericated

[integra d12]

gs and ofna make lots of color rims and styles that fit. tires not to sure on that.

[rcharry]

Hey Killer, did you swich fuels in the stock gs motor or in the O.S.
Can help you there HPV

[Killer87]

rcharry: in the OS. I'll try it in the GS sometime when I get the parts to run it.

hvp014: I've found that the Proline Crimefighters and the Knuckles work best on MOST surfaces. Ofna makes some good wheels in different colors. As far as foam inserts, just use the proline ones that come with the tires.

[Killer87]

w/o body

[Killer87]

engine in car

[Killer87]

with body

[Killer87]

last one

[hvp014]

thanks for the answers. does anyone know how to post pics mine r all to large.

[carlton eppes]

You'll have to resize them in whatever photo program you have then attach them as a file.

[Killer87]

All of my pics were origionallly about 700kb, so I opened them with Photoshop and then I resized them so they were just under the limit of 61.4 kb.

[hvp014]

here it is pretty stock options- JR 1400 mah reciver pack 4 cell, venom fail safe and temp gauge, motor savers air filter. puttin new tires on soon and new decals are on now but don't have updated pics.

[hvp014]

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[hvp014]

final pic batt pack pic, now wrapped in bags and zip tied thgrough the plastic part of the chassie.

[integra d12]

what the hey since we are showing off....

http://www.proctorproductions.com/dc/70s.jpg

[hvp014]

lol thats about 1000x better than mine nice body!::eek:

[hvp014]

r u those carbon fiber parts any good?( there in the storm manual) i wanna get those the look sweet more help please!

[carlton eppes]

I like that paint job Integra.

So while we're showing off! ;)

[integra d12]

the servo plate is more looks and a bit of weight loss, the front servo saver plate looks cool and lower weight never heard of one breaking.

[hvp014]

k i ordered some proline pre glued knuckles i'll tell u how they go and i ordered the first carbon fiber part the front support brace. they should be in wedsday. i'll post new pics then

[rolo]

hi guys... I just ordered the storm pro chassis. Is there any problems I'm going to run into when I transfer eveything from my rtr chassis to the pro one? everything should fit right? Also whats the difference between the rtr shock kit and the pro shock kits? Oh yah by the way does anyone know when that new GS storm engine is coming out? its the GS R21PB 7port i think... heres a link to it http://www.gsracing.com.tw/information_detailed.php?id=55

thanks

[integra d12]

It won' t fit perfect...the pro chassis is like 5mm longer in the front. You will most likely need the front center cvd and you will need the front pro brace. I did that change to a buddys rtr not a big deal but its a bit more cost. The pro shocks are hard ano and the cap is one peice. othere then that there the same i think...

[rolo]

Integra thanks for the heads up...looks like i gotta order that front center cvd.... but can I leave the rear center as is, right? also the engine mounts will fit as well too? Another thing is are the carbon fiber shock towers ok? I just bout those and havent installed them yet.

[integra d12]

every thing is the same from the front of the center diff back. its jsut the front section that is diffrent its just streched a bit. The carbon shock towers could be a problem if you flip alot. carbon is nice but it seams to break under shear load. I could be wrong but thats what i experienced with my onroad car running with out the body, filping it was bad with out the body. It depends on the thickness put them on and give us a review of them in a week or so... Where did you get them.

[rolo]

Integra thanks for the heads up...looks like i gotta order that front center cvd.... but can I leave the rear center as is, right? also the engine mounts will fit as well too? Another thing is are the carbon fiber shock towers ok? I just bout those and havent installed them yet.

[carlton eppes]

With the pro chassis in place of the RTR chassis you can get by with the center front dogbone. I haven't had a problem with it on my backup car I do recommend putting a small piece of fuel tube in each outdrive on both center shafts this will keep it from moving from end to end and maybe popping out. The pro brace is always a good idea no matter what chassis you run.

[rcharry]

Hey guys, been a while!
How bout the dynamite chassie is that a pain to convert. My car is now an offical PRO, but i dont have the chassie. hehe.
Ill get pics to show off my cool car. I dont have a body, but that body with the flames, is what my next paint job was sussposed to be!hehe.
Rolo, dont get the carbon fiber towers unless your car is a show car. Get the pro ones. There thick and strong!

Yeah when does the new GS motor come out. If my aftermarket head fits on it, ILL TAKE IT!!

[rcharry]

anyway tonight i go againt the Kania 2 and the new MBX 5! and another storm pro.

[MAXX 2.5]

hi my buddy just got a Gs Storm rtr a couple of days ago. its running like crap. when you are on the throttle it sounds like its back/misfiring. needles are stock running 20% nitro and we have 12 tanks through it. also running an OS R5 plug

[integra d12]

give us a good run down when you can... Sounds like some fun

[carlton eppes]

MAXX sounds like it maybe way too rich is it spitting gas out the stinger? Is it spitting gas out the carb? Is it new fuel?

[MAXX 2.5]

no on the stinger and on the carb. yea the fuel is new. temps are 225-250

[carlton eppes]

Does it clear out on the straight or does the power fall off part way down the straight? Is it making the noise on the lowend or topend? It may be too lean on the top. Richen it a little and see how it runs on the topend then. Once you get the topend where it will clear out and run good then go to the lowend and do a pinch test to see how close the lowend is.

[bravo_whiskey]

Has anyone found an online site that sells Fioroni Option parts for the Storm? I've been patiently waiting for RCDiscounters to come back online, but I haven't seen any progress. A phone order shop would suffice as well. Much appreciated.

[Gmanlusk2004]

bravo: all you have to do is go to your friendly lhs that supplies GS parts and ask them to order the part you need. If that doesn't work, or if your lhs doesn't supply GS parts, then i dunno. Have you tried www.stormerhobbies.com ? I'm not sure if they stock fioroni, but i'm sure they stock storm parts.

anyway.... i was foolin' around on the web and i came across this site www.gsracing.com.tw It is the taiwanese sight for GS i believe and i saw this storm rtr. I sure wish my rtr came w/ this body instead of the one that i got!

L8r,
Garrett

[garen]

Maxx- Your engine is tuned rich regardless of what your temp gauge says. Most temp gauges are not accurate and even if they were, are misleading. Email me for tuning tips. If you have run 12 tanks at this setting, chances are you have caused some premature wear to the rod.

Fioroni Parts- Email me for dealers.

[integra d12]

Just got my fironi chassis conversion from Austria and I have to say Its really well done. The way its marked for the diffrent angles is pretty intresting. If you get it you will need some stuff unless GS america will be providing it. The long self tapeing screws that go in to the bottom of the diff you will need 4 of those and new hinge pins the pro ones wont fit. and lastly the rear bumper no longer fits but the front does you just need to do a bit of trimming on it to make it fit. Over all I love it can't wait to run it with the new settings.... anti squat mmm good.

[fearsome]

Originally posted by integra d12
Just got my fironi chassis conversion from Austria and I have to say Its really well done. The way its marked for the diffrent angles is pretty intresting. If you get it you will need some stuff unless GS america will be providing it. The long self tapeing screws that go in to the bottom of the diff you will need 4 of those and new hinge pins the pro ones wont fit. and lastly the rear bumper no longer fits but the front does you just need to do a bit of trimming on it to make it fit. Over all I love it can't wait to run it with the new settings.... anti squat mmm good.

What hinge pins will work? obviously longer one...
what are the 4 screws needed for?

Now that toe-in is set by the toe-in braces what rear hub carrier do you use to get 3` toe-in?
I ask this cuz if you use the GS upright and have it set to 3.5` (using the tabs in hub carrier - GS method of adjusting toe-in) what overall toe-in will it be with the fioroni 3` brace? I wonder if you can use the kyosho 7.5 rear hub carrier???? they look about the same size but dont know what the overall toe-in will be.

I too am getting the conversion and would it would be a great help to know these things in advance!

[integra d12]

The hinge pins need to be a bit longer not much but there are diffrent ways you can tackle that issue. I had a set of lunsford ti hinge pins laying around the shop so I grabed those and cut them to the lenth I needed and used the set screws in the braces to secure the hinge pins there are other ways too here is a link useing a diffrent way. look at the bottom pics there of the chassis.
new storm chassis (http://home.t-online.de/home/Markus.Dinkhoff/Storm/)

I am useing right now the fironi rear hub carries set to .5 the lowest setting and im going to use the rear braces to set from there. But i like the idea of useing the kyo rear carriers that would be alot stronger. Damn I should have waited to buy the rear hub carriers.

One other thing you will need is some shimms there is a bit of play in the arm where it sits between the hinge pin braces I suggest some 1mm plastic shims.

[garen]

You can email me with your questions, and I will gladly supply you with the info you need. We spent some time to test this new conversion and create a instruction sheet for it so that our customers would know exactly what they need in addition to the kit and how to put it together properly. All your questions are answered on the sheet included in the kit (packaged so that you can read it before purchasing), and our dealers will be well informed before they sell you the kit. We are always glad to support those who support us.

[rcharry]

hey guys. Been a while. POS cpu crashed! HAHA! Anyway, i had engine problems got sick of it and bought an OS. HEHE! $300 motor for 150, and only a gallon of fuel through it! I fixed my other motor too. So im going to sell that one, it just needs tuning!

[Spurdog28]

So when will the kit be available in the US? And do you know when the version from GS will be available?

[rcharry]

Yeah i like that kit. no A or B blocks. WHat will that do as performance!

[garen]

We'll have stock within 2 weeks. The front "A" Blocks are 1 degree against the chassis (8 degrees chassis kickup - 1 degree blocks = 7 degrees). Front "B" Blocks are 1 degree the other way (8 degrees chassis kickup + 1 degree blocks = 9 degrees).
All this info is in the manual included in our kits...

[rcharry]

I talked tomy lhs guy and he said they dont do much for performace. And just the A B blocks are sloppy and with longer screws and lock nut it would fix it and believe that to. So i see no reason to drop $150 to get rid of A B blocks when $5 bux fixes the slopply problem!

[lil_general_lee]

I just picked up a storm pro kit yesterday and ran into a few problems. I have 2 RTR's, one has been upgraded to full pro and the other is about halfway there with no problems. Anyways, In the storm pro kit there are suspension supports which are shown on a supplimentary sheet. The front one fits a bit tight but does fit. The rear one toes the rear in too much and that makes it a really tight fit against the gearbox, The arms rub on the gearbox causing them to bind. It's almost like they labeled the braces wrong. I havn't tried putting the front in the rear or vica versa. Anyone run into this problem and if so how can I fix it?

Thanks,
RJ

[Spurdog28]

I had the same problem with my new kit and all I did was dremeled the bulkhead a little, and it worked great. Hope that helps.

[integra d12]

the new chassis kit is really much better for the rear then the front so it is helpfull. One it alows you to run toe from 1-3 degree increments and if you really want run more in the uprights aswell you may be able to run a stronger rear upright other then the fironi ones too like the plastic k2 uprights. The big thing is rear anti squat that is a big big + going from 1-3 degree and last the hinge pin braces are a HELL of a lot stronger and more true so your setting will never change un like the A&B blocks. So far the chassis is doing great and the cost was minimal considering a new pro chassis can cost as much as a 100 bux to replace because the A&B blocks trash the chassis.

[fitj]

I agree with you there, the blocks can definetly trash the chassis.

[fearsome]

Integra d12/Garen,

What is the stock rear antisquat on the pro (using the old A-B blocks) as want to know which one to use with the new fioroni conversion 1,2 or 3?

[integra d12]

I pretty sure it can be 1 or 2 degree depending on the block used.

[garen]

GS Storm Pro stock antisquat is 3 degrees up in the rear, and 5 degrees in the front (8-3=5)

[Killer87]

I've finally had it with my POS GS engine. :mad: Today when I ran it, the one way blew up. I think what happened was that the one way bearing's metal was soooo soft that when the crank pin tried to turn it, it just ate away at the metal. Thus causing metal shavings to be scattered throughout my engine, destroying everythng possible. The piston, the sleeve, con rod, head buton, crank, and possibly the bearings and crank case. I'm soooo pissed at the thing. I was running at about 240, with plenty of smoke, and my glow plug was shiny when done (not distorted either). So there was no chance of it being my tuning. The engine was not overheating. The only reason for this happening, was the POOR manufacturing. The metal was obviously too soft. Does GS have a waranty? Even if they don't, I expect that they will replace it. Is there a number I can call? An email adress I can write to? What really sucks is I didn't even have much over a gallon in it. And the top end was just starting to open up. Oh well, I guess thats what I get for not buying some $300 engine. This just makes me sooo frusterated.

Thanks,
Erik

Heres the pics

[Killer87]

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[Killer87]

and last, the head button ( note the shink plug)

[integra d12]

I must be reading my offical gs storm pro manual and setup sheet that I picked up from horizon a couple months ago. It says on the setup sheet either 1 or 2 degree option for the rear and 6 or 10 for the front. There is not a place on the setup sheet for 3 degree rear or the elusive 5 degree you state why is this? Where can a person mark 3 degree on the setup sheet and why would it come with 3 degree blocks and state 1 or 2 degree on the setup sheet?
ahh but if you go to the euro-setup sheet there is a "optional" 3 degree set of blocks so do we get these "optional" 3 degree blocks in the kit without any documentation about them? Hmmm have I been running my storm thinking that I have 1 degree anti- squat and in reality Im running 3?

that engine OUCH bad news!! looks like a chuck of metal or dirt got in that engine or was in the engine.

[fearsome]

Integra d12, thats what confused me too about the antisquat and front kickup! As far as I know the pro kits come with 3` blocks and have optional 1.5` blocks but we dont need them now :)
Just finished the fioroni conversion and came together perfectly :)
The fioroni parts are fantastic quality and finish top notch!

About that engine "ouch" but it does look like a fault by manufacturer (looking at that oneway bearing).
Just "another" issue when using pullstart engines! good luck

[Spurdog28]

we just got the new GS hinge pin braces in. I am going to install them this week. Has anybody else used them? Just curious they are only like $12USD a piece.

[bravo_whiskey]

Spurdog,
I've been running my Storm with the new hinge pin braces for about 2 weeks now. I can't say that I've noticed any difference in the car's durability. I haven't bent the screws holding the A-B blocks yet, though. Now if only there was a brace for the outboard sides of each hinge pin we'd really be in business. Capturing the hinge pins from both the front and rear would really keep the A-B blocks from shifting. I really like the looks of the Fioroni conversion, but haven't got that kind of loot. Hopefully these braces will help a little.

[Spurdog28]

I am waiting for GS's conversion kit...

[garen]

Regardless of what the setup sheets say, the stock pro suspension mounts are 3 degrees. Depending on which way you mount them in the front, you will get 5 or 8 degrees angle.

There are many factors with engine problems, many of which are not in our control. Contact Horizon Hobby Tech Support to see if repairs can be made.

[integra d12]

so people that dont read the board have no clue they have 3 degrees of kick up right? there undee the impression that its 1 or 2

[hoytshooter]

Has anybody had problems with the rear shock shafts blowing right through the shock pistons and washers? Both of mine and one of my friends have done this. I have a RTR that I am gradually bringing up to pro status. I don't want to buy the pro shocks if they will have the same problem.:confused:

[fearsome]

hoytshooter,
After 1.5 yrs with the pro I never had any probs with the shocks.
Maybe you tightened the nut that hold the piston to the shaft too tight...I did this once when i did a shock rebuild, I noticed the washer started to deform so I quickly replaced the washer and made sure I didnt over tighten. The nut is a nylon lock nut so it will not come loose...no need to over tighten.

[Killer87]

does anyone know who i can contact? I'll check Garren's profile, but does anyone know his email?

thanks,
erik

[Killer87]

oops, thanks i didn't realize there was an extra page. thanks garen, i will try to contact horizon tech and see what they say.

thanks
erik

[Spurdog28]

Do you have any pics of the installation of your hinge pin braces? I finally tried to install mine last night and I could not get the front bumper to mount back up. I dremeled out the upper screw mount, but the bottom would not even fit under the brace. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!

[smoky]

hey guys i dont know if this has been covered or not so sorry if it has. but i was looking at the new issue of rcca ad saw the jt mugen conversion at the maxx challenge and just fell in love with it. so now i have to convert my buggy to a truck. i have talked to jt they said a gs conversion should be available within 2-3 weeks. just wat to know if any on here has converted their storms how they did it, you know just some tips,ideas, pics if anyone has one. just any help in general. tanks alot in advance guys.

[bravo_whiskey]

Spurdog,
I thought that the braces went on the outboard sides of the bulkheads, underneath the bumpers when I saw them too. Since they don't come with instructions, I had to use my noggin a little. The way the braces have the moon shape cutout led me to the decision that they could only fit on the inboard sides of each bulkhead, under the pinion gear. The toe angle of the rear pins only allows the rear brace to fit this way as well. I've included a pic of the rear. The install of the front is a mirror image.

[Spurdog28]

Thanks for the pics. Seems kinda wierd though, you would think that the front brace would go behind the front bumper for when you hit things? I wonder if Garren has any ideas...

[integra d12]

Put the fisrt scratches in the chassis today during a practice session and so for the fioroni chassis is working well! need to work on my final settings but it seams like a pretty rigid chassis setup.


click here got some storm parts for sale.

http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=136527

[rcharry]

Hey guys im back in town. Where do you get thoes pin braces i like thoes!
And killer i have a gs engine for sale. It has a gallon through it and has the Nova raceing head. Leet me know if you want it!

[bravo_whiskey]

RCHarry,
The braces are available through Horizon Hobby or your LHS if they carry GS parts. Front brace # GSCSTP37 Rear brace # GSCSTP38. I got mine for $11.99 each.

[fearsome]

Integra d12, I too have run the car with the new conversion.
So far looks pretty good :)
I think i will need the optional +1degree B block for more kickup when it comes out...
I also have been testing afew thing with the rear toe-in on the hudy setup board....so far with the GS uprights set to 3` the overall toe-in became aprox. 5-6 degree too much...I then borrowed my friends 7.5 rear uprights and on the hudy it became 3` toe-in :)....
but if you want to be able to still adjust wheel base some slight mods need to be done as the 7.5 hubs are alittle wider...