Need a reccomendation

[Kritter]

My father and I are going to start flying again come the spring, I am in the process of trying to decide on a nice, easy to build, yet stable trainer, while my dad, the much more experienced flyer, wants something nice and slow, but with enough power to pull a loop or roll, Can you guys/gals recommend on that has about a 70" wing span, but can putter around on those clam days.

Thanks for your help !

Kritter

[Azarr]

Take a look at SIG's Kadet LT 40, it will do what both of you are looking for.

Azarr
www.azarr.com

[f2racer]

Almost any trainer will be able to loop and roll. I'd say that it depends on how much experience your dads got. If he's got years of RC flight experience, you may want to consider a trainer with a semi-symmetrical wing. Most trainers have flat bottom airfoils with lots of dihedral. This is GREAT for beginners because these are the easiest to get into the air due to high lift tendencies of flat bottom airfoils, easiest to keep in the air because the the dihedral causes the plane to auto-center after you get it turning, and easiest to land in calm weather because of the very low stall speeds and float capability of said designs. A semi-symmetrical wing will be more aerobatic. Check out the Hobbico Avistar.

[Dave Robelen]

I would vote for the LT-40 from Sig. I have put quite a bit of stick time on a friends, and it meets the requirements very nicely. Of course, you do have to put it together.:)
Regards, Dave Robelen

[Kritter]

Thanks For the reply's.. Looks like I'm going to get a Sig Kadet LT-40.. as for my old man, he's probably going to start off with the same, and then move onto something else sooner than I will. He's been flying for sometime, everything from an original sweet stik to a Falcon, to a homebuilt Miss Vintage.

Thanks agian for the reply's.. hope to visit this board more often, but there doesn't seem to be a lot of traffic here.. Oh well..

thanks

Kritter
(Kris Paule)

[ameittunen]

the tower trainer is better than all of those planes. i have one. it flys like a dream it is awsome. my trainer said it is the best trainer he has flown.

[texastbird]

I returned to the hobby after a long layoff and needed something to get my thumbs tuned up again. My brother gave me his old worn out Tower 60 size ARF trainer and it does fly well within the limitations of having a flat bottom wing. How about the Hobbistar with a semi-symmetrical wing and a 71 inch wingspan. They are real popular around here as a basic through intermediate trainer and a great knockaround 2nd plane to have in the truck...
YOu won't outgrow it as fast as the Sig or other flat bottom planes.

[BrokenChild]

the tower trainer is better than all of those planes. i have one. it flys like a dream it is awsome. my trainer said it is the best trainer he has flown.

Thats just a personal opinion. I have flown a tower trainer over a hundred times. I think I had closer to 130 flights on it when I crashed it, then I pulled my Kadet out of the closet and test flew it, and liked it better. After about 30 flights on it, I flew my Hobbico Avistar, and loved it ten times better than the other two. I would suggest the Kadet if your going to want to put around a lot. The Avistar if you want to feel gutsy every now and then. I flew trainers for several years, even when I had tuned piped Hawks that would take off in 20 feet, and fly stright vertical until it was out of sight right after you got it off the ground. As soon as I would wring the old Hawk out, then I would fly one of the trainers again... Who knows, I just like diffrent things... The only thing I had against the Avistar was its weaker fuse... I had an old K&B .40 BB engine on mine, and that engine thinks it a BB. 46... I never told it any diffrent eather. I overstressed the Avistar with this engine by doing snap's on high rates, but I also had slightly increased control surfaces, and a big engine. In my opinion, all of these planes will work fine, I would just go for another Avistar. If your dad has some flying time under his belt, I would suggest getting a buddy box and a Sig Four Star. Low wings are a hair harder to train off of, but I learned with a CGM chipmunk and a saito .91 running a 13X9 APC prop. Its not really that hard to learn to fly as long as you have a good instructor and you follow his advice.

broken

[rc10gt_bb]

I know this is kind of out of the blue, but is the u.s. air core colt 40 a good plane to start out on. i'm a long time car guy who is pondering on the idea to get a plane. plus I'm moving to georgia and they have a club in the town I'm going to so, hey, why not!

[BrokenChild]

The aircore 40 sounds like a good one...I havent flown one yet, so I dont know from personal experience, but I've flown some nice trainers... I would get two trainers with the full set up on both of them... My plan to re-enter the hobby, is the way I should have stepped into it at the first.... There are a lot of setbacks in this complex hobby sometimes, but what I want to do is get an Avistar...by Hobbico, and put a BB.46 like an A.S.P with an 11-5 prop... And a Carl Goldberg Tiger 2 with a hot 46 in it with the same prop... That way 'when' I crash the highwing, I have soemthing else to fly and advance my skills... Its always 'when you crash' not if.... Sounds like you already have a foothold, now have some fun :D

nate

[TTARK12345]

I too started with an Avistar and found it to be an excellant trainer and my first choice for a second plane was also the
Tiger 2, I was very disappointed to find it temporarily unavailable. so while searching for and alternative, I stumble across the Bobcat by Cermark models and what a please. It is a great looing plane and should arrive at my local hobby shop tomorrow, ( I prefer to buy local if the price is competitive). You should check out this neat little plane at Cermark's web site

[texastbird]

Well, Kritter what did you and your father wind up with? Spring has sprung and flying season is here again. I got my son a Hobbico Hobbistar for Christmas and we modified the wing for wing bolts instead of rubber bands, and put on an aluminum gear and tailwheel bracket and made it a taildragger. It flys awesome with an os 61fx. I test flew a new pilot's Superstar 40 and it is smooth and comfortable just not as nimble as the good old semi symmetrical winged hobbistar. I will say that new pilots have it much better than in the old days when you had to cobble together a plane from plans or a kit. Some of these never flew too well even if built straight and light. These new ARF planes all fly pretty well and can hold up if assembled correctly.

[BrokenChild]

:)

[Targo]

Agree with the Tower Hobbies trainer 60 Sugestion...best deal and quality!

[Kritter]

Originally posted by texastbird
Well, Kritter what did you and your father wind up with?

well.. i ended up getting a Sig Kadet Senior.. BIG Plane... 78 inch wingspan, modified for ailerons, which is about two days away from being finished (I'm kinda slow on the construction side of things) and it's going to be powered by an OS Max SF 40, and my dad got a SIG four-star 40, also powered by an OS Max SF 40. He's much quicker and is ready to go, his plane hasn't seen the sky yet, but we are both excited as hell to get up flying !

thanks for all the info, and [termintaor voice] I'll be back [/terminator voice] more frequently now that's it's almost done !

thanks !

Kritter :D :D