TONY STEWART to race R/C dirt oval! [Archive]

johnqpublic

11-16-2001, 10:11 AM

I thought that might get your attention!

Its true....for the 4th (I think) consecutive year, Winston Cup, IRL, and USAC star Tony Stewart will be racing at Kranzel's R/C in Harrisburg, PA for the U.S. Open Wheel Championships. This is by far the biggest dirt oval race of the year, and one of the biggest R/C races of the year period! With well over 200 entries, the track is already turning entries away, due space and time limitations!

So, you may ask, "Why havn't I heard of this before?", or "Why don't any of the R/C magazines cover this huge event?" I say, "GOOD QUESTION"!

Instead of covering this event, RCCA will probably spend their time and pages trying to figure out the next thing to jump with a T-Maxx, or some warm-up race for the touring car super nationals, that has a bunch of big name sponsored drivers, none of which have a name that can compare to Tony Stewart!

By the way, I have yet to see that much promised Custom Works Enforcer article!

Come on RCCA, how about a little DIRT OVAL coverage? I guess the fact that a national celebrety/sports figure races R/C (and does it quite well, I might add), and sponsors the race, is not nearly as newsworthy as the latest development in nitro touring cars, or monster trucks!

ILv2Xlr8

11-16-2001, 02:29 PM

I would also like to see some coverage of that event weather or not Tony Stewart is there or not. It does't have to be a huge feature artile that mr qpublic would like, but just some tidbit even on the webpage would be kewl. I am a huge open wheel fan, and have followed all the miget car drivers as they've made it up to NASCAR and IRL, and would also like to see what the dirt oval scene is like for RC.

Is Tony Stewart actually going to sponsor the race? In what way?
Usually he charges $15k for appearences to run races in a TQ or full Midget, but I guess the insurance and liability isn't there with an RC car, so I suppose it's possible.

johnqpublic

11-16-2001, 02:47 PM

In the past, I beleive that he has put up some $$$ for the cash dashes......possibly even the trophies. He seems to have a genuinely good time at this race.

mocrcracer

11-18-2001, 06:55 PM

That is great! I am a huge Tony Stewart fan as well as a big dirt oval fan. Unfortunately not many places hold dirt oval racing where I live. I would love to see this form of racing grow in popularity.

Danny/SMC

11-18-2001, 09:57 PM

Yes this is a great event and SMC is proud to be Tony Stewarts battery sponosr. The race is limited to 300 entries and it was full last year with great racing.

Click on the link for some pictures of last years race.

http://www.smc-racing.com/usopenwheel.htm

ILv2Xlr8

11-19-2001, 02:46 AM

I went to Kranzel's R/C site and couldn't find any information on this event.
The special events page is blank.
Anybody got the details and schedule for this event?

johnqpublic

11-23-2001, 08:05 AM

Well, I'll admit that they dont do a very good job keeping their website up.

Anyway, it is Dec 7-9. Racing on both the big track and the short track. Classes include:
EDM (eastern dirt modified): gearbox stock, GB mod, direct drive stock, DD mod, short track GB stock
Sprint car: DD stock, mod, and wingless short track stock
Truck: stock, mod and short track stock.

I think I got 'em all.

Looks like no one even wants to admit that no one is going to cover this race in their mag! Its a shame.....maybe if Kranzels would make a TC class....the race would get noticed....apparently celebrities are not enough!

goobsoleman

11-23-2001, 08:43 AM

What most people don't realize is that Tony is very intense in all that he does.LOL. He is very competitive when he races there. He is very fun to be around. He not only sponsors the event, he also rents a local sprint car indoor slick track facility,on the sat.eve. of that weekend(like go carts but using small sprints and set up like them as well). All the entered racers and 1 crew member with each entrant get to race against him. I went a couple of years ago and my wife got in as my crew and we had a blast for about 4-5 hrs. You can rub tires with one of the best in Nascar. One word of Warning: he may lose to a few on the RC track but he makes up for it on the slick track and he doesn't mind a nudge once in a while (unless it's Jeff Gordon)LOL.. All you people that are interested in Dirt Oval should check out the info posted By JQP . It's a lot of fun. Tony has done this for the past few years regardless of his
schedule he makes this a serious commitment to be there. The year he was Rookie of the year he left for the Nascar Banquet but got back for the next round of heats. A great event for all even just to watch.

ILv2Xlr8

11-27-2001, 04:23 AM

Arghhh, Dec 7-9?
Now I wish someone was covering the race because I won't be able to make the trip out there.
I've got to go to PRI this weekend, and a charity car show the weekend after during Kranzel's event.
Kranzel has absolutely nothing about it on their web site.
I wonder if they can fax me any info about it?

goobsoleman

11-27-2001, 06:25 AM

717-737-race(7223) is their number. I am sure they will discuss it with you. Their fax number is on the website as well. I am sure they don't post much about it because they don't need thousands flocking to their shop that weekend. They don't need to promote it.

johnqpublic

11-29-2001, 01:52 PM

All: Read the thread about more drag racing coverage. One of the moderators finally had the guts to reply to me. It is quite obvious that RCCA does not care about forms of R/C that do not have manufacturers who's ads grace over 50% of their pages!

ILv2Xlr8

11-29-2001, 04:07 PM

Mr. Public,
I deeply share your enthusiasm about dirt oval racing, and also get frustrated at times myself about race coverage and even the fan base and driver participation for full scale dirt oval racing.
That being said, bashing RCCA for not covering your race will not get you anywhere, as there are much better ways of getting coverage from the media by not complaining about them.
You seem to be potraying, which I'm sure you do not mean to be, that you are just as ignorant as you claim the mag and moderators to be with your comments like "do touring cars even race in this country anymore?" Ever turn on speedvision and seen the American LeMans series, the SV Touring Car championship, or ever hear of the Sports Car Club of America, a club where touring car racers spend tons of $ to race only for a trophy at places in the USA like the Mid-Ohio Sports Car Course?
Your statements are just as silly as "Who even makes dirt oval cars anymore? Where is a big race?" :p

Touring cars are so popular because of the simple fact that they resemble a car you, your parents, your friends, etc may be driving for the daily grocery getter, and have that connection to the same style car that races on a track.

It seems obvious that the popular things are going to be covered in a magazine, however, the small groups should also get more coverage than they do because they are often overlooked, such as our beloved oval racing. I think there are many more carpet oval racers, and a few dirt oval racers and dragracers out there than are known by the general public and media. The last RCCA article I can remeber on an oval car was early 1999. While a few races might get coverage, not enough other information such as review of the cars and equipment is not present.

What do we do about it?

Don't bash the media for NOT covering it!
Get all your fellow racers to bombard the media with questions on results of races, what the cars are and how they perform, reviews of equipment, etc. Sooner or later they will have to give into the demand of their readers and publish some more info.
Get your tracks to compile a press release after every event in a format the media can use to reprint, and have them send it to the the media by what ever means and format they want i.e. floppy disk, CD-Rom, paper copies, fax, etc.

Eventually with contiuous bombardment of all this information and demands, the media should begin dedicating a staff member to handle it all, and begin publishing it regularly.

johnqpublic

11-29-2001, 04:25 PM

Those of us who do not get speedvision (like me), know very little about sports car racing in the US. Its popularity pales in comparison to forms of racing such as NASCAR, CART, and the IRL, as well as weekly short track racing. My comment was meant to be a bit sarcastic, knowing that 1:1 touring car racing in the states is not too popular (when compared to the other forms of racing).

RCJET

11-29-2001, 08:17 PM

There have been other drivers at Kranzel's: like Todd Bodine from nascar.
Danny Lasoski from the World of Outlaws was there last year and he is suppose to be with Tony again this year.
The mags don't need alot of coverage just some. With some help from the mags dirt oval might grow to be as big as touring cars and trucks! Who knows!!
It might spark enough interest for other companys to build complete dirt oval cars that they can advertise in their mag!
Maybe we can get their interest if they were to know that TC3s are being used with latemodel bodies on dirt oval ! Wicked fast with a 10 turn motor.
It would be nice to see something once in awhile!!!

Jim

goobsoleman

11-29-2001, 08:53 PM

Ilv2X:
http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=20554

How much more bombardment do you need? We (dirt oval racers) were promised a review of a dirt oval sprint car which NEVER transpired.

This also is not the first time this issue has been presented to RCCA. Why not bash? Nothing else seems to work. I don't believe many tracks compile main press releases to Rcca after major event just to get their event covered or mentioned in the Mag. Rcca will just cover many of them without it.
Our point is made clear in the Drag racing coverage thread. Rcca just plain refuses to accept the fact that there IS a main contingent of Dirt Oval Racers in the U.S. and maybe other places as well. Just read the above thread I posted here and you will see how many. I CANNOT BELIEVE RCCA WON'T EVEN ACKNOWLEDGE that Tony Stwart is an RCer. Not to say anything about an east coast event where he is the sponsor for a race that a lot of "regular guys" participate in. Maybe they are Jeff Gordon Fans> LOL That would explain it. Give me Tony any day compared to Kinwald or Joel Johnson or even Hirosaka.

DerekB

11-29-2001, 09:28 PM

ILv2Xlr8, you made a well thought out post and I thank you for being a little more mature. My comment on who makes DO car or Oval for that fact was part sarcasm. I don't see them advertising how would I know who makes them (and by the way I know most of them). I never heard of this biggest DO race, why? Poor promotion. You think any race is successful without promotion? Nothing is, nobody will know. It's up to the manufacturers and race promoters to get attention to their race. If this is the biggest race grab a camera takes some pictures and submit a race coverage, I promise you'll see it in Racer News. As far as bashing to get attention that works almost as much as an 8 year old flopping on the ground an kicking their feet. Our job is to sell magazines, Frankly most people don't car what celebrity runs RC cars. It won't sell any more magazines, but you are right it's interesting.

Most of these big events are brought to our attention 2 weeks before they happen. December 7th is what, 10 days away? We run a business mot run around the country. IF the race coordinator thought it would be of interest to poeple why wasn't that brought to our attention?

As far as the Oval car review email Steve and ask him why he didn't do it.

lugnut727

11-29-2001, 10:03 PM

How much notice would RCCA need to have in order to consider covering such an event? I do realize that it might not get covered even with proper notice. Just wondered.

wildchild

11-29-2001, 10:18 PM

that is a good point this race is about tha same time every year! So how much time in advance do you need to get a man there to cover the event. Like was previouse stated they turn racers away because there is not enough pit space every year.

dalefan4evr

11-29-2001, 10:38 PM

I was wondering if he considers 300+ people a small event??
the fact of the matter is rcca has blown off what made the mag
so dam popular to begin with!! R/C raceing!! dirt oval off road!
you mainly print what is popular on the west coast! touring cars t & emaxxs! frankly i dont care if a emax jumped 50 buses!! not everyone has an emax! I notice you dont do any articles on r/c weight pulling and didnt when it was popular! what about paved oval raceing! i have seen the same write ups about the tmax emax tc3 just about every month! try something new do something on dirt oval!! what about an article on the custom works sprint car? i got an idea how about the t3 b3 or even the latest losi truck!! what a novel idea!

RCJET

11-29-2001, 11:43 PM

DerekB.. "I never heard of this biggest DO race" !
Maybe you didn't work for RCCA or hear about the last two years when they were asked to cover this BIG race!
It's not like this race is that far away either, only in Pa.
Did you know at one time there was more dirt oval tracks listed in your magazines track directory than any other form of racing?
Wish I had the time and talent to do a race report if that is what it would take to get some coverage!
Jim

ILv2Xlr8

11-30-2001, 12:40 AM

Originally posted by goobsoleman
I don't believe many tracks compile main press releases to Rcca after major event just to get their event covered or mentioned in the Mag. Rcca will just cover many of them without it.

There is a large show of support on that thread goobsoleman, however I disagree with the fact that RCCA will just cover many races without previous knowledge of an event, and the coverage the do print I'm betting is with the help of some sort of press release or finishing order from the santioning body.
I agree with DerekB that the reason no one knows about these races is because of poor promotion!
In the real world, the fact is every existing sucessfull promotor and sanctioning body, which at times is also a track owner, of full scale racing events that get media coverage have worked at publishing press releases and press kits about their events. Without these press kits and releases, they would NEVER get ANY coverage unless they did so. Any reporter that goes to cover an event ALWAYS gets a press release from the promoter and sanctioning body! Tracks or sanctioning bodies that fail at this cease to exist and the event is lost or never returns. I have been witness to this several times in my short experience with a sucessfull racing santioning body.

Please do not completely lose the point that bashing does not accomplish anyting!

Apparetly your bombardment on a buliten board is not enough to get more support for dirt oval racing.
I doubt very seriously that many that posted support on that thread tried phone calls, letters, and MOST IMPORTANTLY making sure someone sends a press release to the media obout the event, even if they themselves compiled the report and sent it to the media.

jsut my 2cents

goobsoleman

11-30-2001, 06:16 AM

ILv2-- Do you suppose the coverage of Rcca is all the result of constant phone calls and e-mails? I think not. Rcca now knows that Kranzels has a LARGE turnout event every Dec starring Tony Stewart. It is posted right here in the Rcca forums. Do you think it will be covered next year? NOT A CHANCE. You also can bet your sweet behind if a major event is planned on another area of racing, it will be covered without a major press release. Let's just say that if Brian Kinwald decided to right out quit racing, do you think someone would need to release a press release before Rcca would investigate? AGAIN, I THINK NOT!! I would also bet If I sent Rcca $10,000 to start covering Dirt Oval, they would WITHOUT a press release.

johnqpublic

11-30-2001, 07:40 AM

RCCA needs roughly 2 weeks notice to cover a race. I started this thread on 11/16/01. So there was public knowledge of this race 20 days, almost 3 weeks in advance.

Anyway, DerekB, are you saying that if someone were to submit an article about this race, there is a chance that it could make its way into the mag? I might be willing to take you up on that, if it is truly the case. I'll have to think about it, and see how much time I have.

DerekB

11-30-2001, 09:38 AM

Just to let you know 2 weeks ISN'T sufficient notice. We are currently making our race schedule for the 2002 race YEAR. Yes we make some small changes to it but it's pretty much all the races we go to.

If the people putting on the races don't promote the race I will never know. As far as DO track being the largest, most track owners will check off ALL types of tracks to attract business.

John, The pictures must be publishable, we get alot of photo's that are not. If they are digital they must be at the highest resolution you can get and on a CD. If you want more detail let me know. Start promoting your race for next year.

This BB is NOT a place to discuss RCCA business practices, so posting hey my races is now doesn't qualify as promotion. And also if Brian Kinwald quit racing I would get more than one phone call about that. No calling us everyday isn't they way to go, but calling and asking about sponsorship for a race (we do that) and how to get RCCA to come (yes it is close and we would very possibly send somebody there) is acceptable and encouraged.

lugnut727

11-30-2001, 10:23 AM

Ok guys you heard him. If we really want this race covered next year, You've got to have the owner of Kranzels call RCCA soon. In order to stand a chance at getting this event covered next year. Your going to have to help him promoting the event. I would do all of that, but I've never been able to go (Being disabled stinks). Thats one reason why Iwould love to see this event covered, so people like me who can't go can get the whole scoop!!

johnqpublic

11-30-2001, 10:55 AM

I'd be willing to write the story, but I'd need help w/ the photography part.

Bellyacher3

11-30-2001, 09:56 PM

Wally- I'll bring the digital camera to the race and take pictures 4/u:cool:

TQT2

11-30-2001, 11:04 PM

I haven't bought RCCA in more than 3 yrs. That is one big way to have them "listen" to the oval guys. Even though they don't cover oval, I know of alot of guys who buy it just to see what new.... we can do that on the WWW. I am honestly tired of discussing this with people whom live and own bussiness' and mags on the west coast. We out here on the east coast need our own mags. Ones that cover what we race.

As far as the U.S. Open Wheel Championship, I have alot of friends who live in the west, they know nothing of this race. So, if Dave promoted the race even further, it might just be a week-long event. Or maybe he should host (2) two events.

I have attended the U.S. Open Wheel Championship before and had the opportunity to race RC cars, sprints and trucks with Todd Bodine and Tony Stewart. With SMC & Custom Works "sponsoring" Tony Stewart at this event, it can't be a "small" thing by any means. He puts up a "Dash 4 Cash" for all classes. Also he has times for autographs, which he spends a ton of time doing.

Tony has even rented a "Indoor Sprint-car" facility and invited all who registered for the Open Wheel Championship to race against him !!

Ahh, if they don't want to listen..... fine. If we show them by NON-support... that will affect them more than "bashing".

goobsoleman

12-01-2001, 12:03 AM

Problem is: This mag is based in CT. It is not a west coast mag. I would think they would want to at least TRY to cover some dirt oval. After all they are located very near, what I believe to be, the largest contingent of dirt oval racers in the U.S.
I do, however agree with TQ that we just need to NOT BUY the mag.
From a business standpoint, is there any other form of r/c racing they do not cover except Dirt Oval? I would think they would want the Dirt oval Community behind them. It is obvious they think they do not NEED us.

Mind you we ARE NOT asking to dominate the Mag. It would just be nice for them to cover something dirt oval once in a while.

DerekB-When the original Dirt Oval post was posted, the Custom Works sprinter review was voluntarily shared on that thread. In reponse to the suggestion we e-mail Steve P on that review, I have posted another thread asking Steve P why it hadn't been done and if you look you will see NO RESPONSE at all. The original commitment to the CW review was made on here on a thread not in an e-mail. I feel you guys should follow through on your promise to do so. Those responsible for publishing ANYTHING on dirt oval has been shunned in the past and once again, even though we were promised a review, we have gotten it shoved up our butt.
We get the feeling you are saying to us:
:p sucks to be you :p
I believe the ball has been placed in your court. Is dirt oval a part of R/C or are we an entirely different entity? I have seen most any other form of R/C covered in your publications but have yet to see anything to do with Dirt Oval. Has Rcca ever covered anything dirt oval? You have given us the idea we need to seek you out. Why don't you seek us out and see what the dirt oval community can offer for your mag? Maybe, just maybe, you need us worse than we need you. In time you may just regret you have done nothing about us dirt oval guys. Some have suggested to flood you guys with calls and such. If what we have asked on here isn't enough then I guess we will just have to live with it. You will, however, get an appropriate response from the dirt oval community. I will not buy another RCCA mag until I see some effort on your part to at least give us a break and at least do the review. I would hope other dirt oval guys will follow my lead. Many have already stopped buying because it offers nothing for dirt oval.
C'MON DIRT OVAL GUYS!!!! I AM THROUGH WITH GOING TO THEM. IT'S TIME THEY CAME TO US.

goobsoleman

12-01-2001, 12:06 AM

goobsoleman

12-01-2001, 12:12 AM

By the way DerekB; Your statement that no one cares what celebrity drives r/c cars, is a poor evaluation. It really depends on what celebrity it is. In this case many do care when they see they have a chance to run against one of Nascar's finest racers. You have again underestimated the value found in the dirt oval community.

12-01-2001, 09:13 AM

I just went though my mags to see when my subscription ran out. The last issue I found was an August 2001. Just not much to offer us Dirt Oval guys, accept motors, batteries and a LARGE amount of mail order companies. Will I renew, Probably not if I here of an article about Dirt Oval I'll pick up a copy. Cost of a subscription $24.95 a year, cost of one issue $5.95 total savings $19.00 . RCCA loss my gain. :D

DerekB

12-02-2001, 11:48 AM

I have nothing to do with the promise Steve made to you guys, once again contact him directly.

As far as a celebrity racing, it makes an interesting story for those who already know about RC cars. I would never pick up Car and Driver because of a celebrity drives or races, we have discussed if this would work and we feel it wouldn't be a "Sell Factor", but don't get me wrong it is an interesting part of a race coverage.

StevePond

12-02-2001, 12:04 PM

For the record, the test of the Custom Works car is under way. I don't have the time to come on here every two weeks and update you guys on the progress. I may have to give it up to one of the other guys because of scheduling, which I would hate to do because I love CW stuff (it's top shelf of course), but I want to get it done more quickly than I think I can do right now given my schedule.

As far as whether or not you want to buy the magazine, that's your choice. I think it's infantile sabre rattling at best to repeatedly threaten to never read the magazine again if we don't do what you want, when you want it. I said I would test the CW and it will happen, as I "promised." I'm trying to coordinate the completion of the test with the Race at Kranzels so we can include something on Tony racing RC. It may not happen because were as busy as one-armed paper hangers, so please don't take this as a promise.

bluesy

12-02-2001, 12:11 PM

DerekB/SteveP... It is obvious to me that these folks are on a mission, they are passionate about their segment of our hobby (however diminutive). Their agenda appears to be to argue at every turn of the conversation and will not be satisfied with any explanation. Maybe they should start a magazine of their own to promote their niche. Then they would begin to realize how much planning goes into the production of a magazine. Just my humble $0.032CDN:cool: :cool:

StevePond

12-02-2001, 01:07 PM

Bluesy - that's possible. As far as anyone starting a magazine for dirt oval racing, I strongly encourage it. Then they mave have some perspective on just how difficult it is to produce a magazine.

I truly understand the passion for this segment of the hobby, but we can't be held responsible for the success or failure of EVERY class in RC racing. It has to have a strong foundation of support for the RC community at large, but most importantly, it has to have support from the consumers and manufacturers. We don't create or destroy any class of RC; if you think that, you're giving us too much credit. We watch every aspect of RC, and when we see a swelling of support, we pay closer attention. We did so years ago when there were a great many manufacturers and consumers involved in dirt oval. Heck, even Kyosho was making dirt oval cars, even though they weren't that good. That's a sign of strength; when a manufacturer will make a car for a class that's non-existent in thier own market, for one half way around the world.
We continue to cover most any aspect of RC until we see a significant decline in interest from the consumers and manfacturers. We did that very thing until we started getting flooded with letters and comments years ago about why we were dedicating so much coverage to a declining segment of the hobby. Maybe we're just an easier target than the hobbyists at large who lost interest... It's a tough pill to swallow, but there are simply far less people participating in dirt oval (or any form of oval for that matter) than there were years ago. People's preferences change and there's not much we can do about it. We could scream at the tops of our lungs about dirt oval racing for as long as you want, but if the consumer is not going to get behind it, our efforts will amount to nothing.
I raced dirt oval and I can identify a few things that help drive newcomers away. Johnny Newcomer hears there's a dirt oval track in town and he wants to go try his hand at racing. He walks in with his cardboard box rattling with the tools that came in the kit, two 1700 batteries, a timer charger and his new RC10T3 relatively scarred from hitting things because he's not learned to control the truck that well. The first thing he sees are pit tables with dynos, motor lathes, tire lathes, megabuck chargers, and tires that he's never seen at the hobby shop. Then, over the course of the next couple of hours, he's told he needs to spend another $1500 dollars to be competitive. What's worse is, the stock class, where he figures is the best place for a newcomer to start, is filled with a bunch of middle-aged guys, having the bulk of the aforementioned expensive equipement, that have dominated the class for ten years that yell at him every time he "get's in their way." There's nothing inherently wrong with wanting to run stock, but if it's the only entry point into dirt oval racing, it's not going to be very easy to attract new blood. Sure, there are examples of tracks that do it the right way, but back when I ran dirt oval, this was the exception and not the rule. I see this happening with touring cars to some extent, and it's not a good sign for the continued strenght of that class either.

Having said that, dirt oval racers need to decide if they're going to be part of the problem, or part of the solution. I've seen all too much of the former; decide to be part of the solution. Despite popular beliefs, we have very limited resources. It's not as though we decide not to cover certain aspects of the hobby. We're not this monolithic company with dozens of people at our disposal to cover whatever we chose. We have to point our limited resources at the segments where we're going to get material that is going to be of interest to the highest number or readers. For other segments, we have to rely on people that have an interest in promoting their segment. Mike Ogle of Team Associated is a great example. He helps in every way possible to get us material to cover the world or RC drag racing. Without him, we wouldn't have the manpower to cover it. He writes articles or finds people to write them, gets us pictures, hooks us up with record-setting cars to feature in the magazine, etc. Chuck Carter is his eqivalent for the paved oval guys. He covers some oval races for us, even tests a couple of the cars. The common denominator is, they have enough passion to help. Of course we need quality articles and pictures, but these guys made the commitment to make it happen.
We have offered on many occasions to publish material on dirt oval for years and to date, we've received NOTHING. If you guys can take the time to find one of your members that can take good quality pictures and maybe another person that can write well, I'm sure Peter would like to have a look at the material, but we need your help to make it happen. If you want to posture and whine about how we should come to you, it's going to be a long wait. We barely have time to do what we're already doing.

BadRacer

12-02-2001, 06:49 PM

I have a feeling this thread will end so im going to put in my 2 cents here. All i see is people crying and so on because of a Mag. not having what you want in it. You have to understand these are people too! I am a big Dirt Oval nut and feel they should have coverage on this class, but i do understand why they don't have as much as others would like. Look at it like this just, what ever's popular sell's. RCCA each month inform's you on new product's, anything from the lastest kit to new Battery connectors. They have add's which brings in money for them, they test the newest thing to inform YOU thats right YOU as a person. The feeling im getting is the people flaming the Mod's think the are Bias......only want to cover TC's and Monster Truck's.

Why don't you ask yourself what you could do for the Mag. instead of what they could Keep doing for you. You promote the Dirt Oval class, get involved, you make it known. RCCA is here to provide the public with this great magizine also to make money......there for if they don't make money you have no RCCA. You guys have points, very good ones but your going at it all wrong! If you understood how things are ran maybe you would feel differently.

Just my view on this subject.
BadRacer

goobsoleman

12-02-2001, 08:08 PM

quote:
" The feeling im getting is the people flaming the Mod's think the are Bias......only want to cover TC's and Monster Truck's."
They are biased, they say the reason they don't publish dirt oval is because there is no money in it. Why do they publish TC's and Monster trucks? They ARE biased because of the money.

also:
"RCCA is here to provide the public with this great magizine also to make money......there for if they don't make money you have no RCCA. "

At this point they don't offer anything I can't find elsewhere. So am I supposed to support them even though they don't? So if in fact it comes down to money then i guess they won't get mine. I have better things to do with my money. If Rcca goes out of business, what do I care, they did nothing for me and i am sure did nothing for many others. I thought RCCA was smart business, but i am not sure. If you can garner a bigger audience (dirt oval community), you can make MORE money. HMMMMMM......MORE MONEY.....what a concept!!!!

RCCA you stand to lose nothing in providing some dirt oval coverage but a whole lot to gain.

True or not true?

C'mon just give us a break and do something, like maybe put something in your magazine like saying what kind of idiots these dirt oval drivers are for asking for some rediculous thing like dirt oval coverage. At least it would be something.

TQT2

12-02-2001, 10:16 PM

DerekB, for you to make this statement, "As far as a celebrity racing, it makes an interesting story for those who already know about RC cars. I would never pick up Car and Driver because of a celebrity drives or races, we have discussed if this would work and we feel it wouldn't be a "Sell Factor". "

What kind of theory is this?? Do you not understand that NASCAR might just be one of the most popular motorsports covered?? Do you think only RC Racers would want to read about Tony's adventures??

This is what I know; a nascar fan is a loyal one, he\she will buy just about anything that supports their driver\team. Many people buy on impulse when they see someone familiar in any publication.

I will ask this directly to you... are you an RC racer?? Or is the magazine just a job?? I know if I had that attitude in the business I own, I would sooner or later, piss many people off.

Ultimately, it's the public that decides whether or not you'll stay in business.... why not put a poll in the mag, asking people to mail in if they'd like to see more "Dirt Oval" coverage??

iracercs

12-03-2001, 08:46 AM

Just to my 2 cents into this post I sent e-mail to RCCA after
the Open Wheel last year and gave some of what happened
that weekend and let Steve P. know that this years race would
be about the same time as last year now if that is not enough
time for RCCA to make plans to come shame on them.

I love the mag and have subscribed for many years but my thoughts of keeping the subscripton have changed. Just lke NORRCA they don't know a good thing if it kicked them in the knee.

For a race like the Open Wheel with over 50 heats per round probably over 300 cars and close to 230 racers I would think that a big mag like this would be jumping at a chance to be there.

And before I go and never to be heard from again on this site I know that many cars have been offered to any of the moderator to come race with us and none of them have taken the opportunity to come so what does that tell me if you don't have a touring car or monster truck your not worth spending time on.

Sorry if I offened anyone but just my 2 cents.

Techman Jeff

See you Kranzel's

BadRacer

12-03-2001, 08:36 PM

I didn't mean to tick anyone off with my post. Your right, why spend your money on this magizine if they don't have what you want in there, go to some other mag. that has it........simple as that. Im sure its not going to kill a mag thats so big like RCCA to lose a few people. All i was trying to point out is RCCA is running a buisness, you wouldn't go out and cover something you would lose money and time on would you? Maybe they would make more money if they covered the up coming race, who knows.

Im sure RCCA and the editors are not covering the Dirt Oval for a better reason then its just not popular enough. You gotta understand i feel the same as the others do about the whole Dirt Oval thing. If its R/C and i getta race in the dirt im hooked! BUT, im not going to flame and put presure on the Mod's and so on just to get what i want. Maybe you should just TRY and see things from their point of view. Get out there and do something to get coverage and to have the Oval class popular again. Steve and Greg have made good points and tips on how to be able to Get Coverage on this class.

Im very dissapointed that the Mags don't cover the Dirt Oval class like they do the TC's and so on. Give it time, if you look back in the day the TC class wasn't very popular, things will change. I would like to see at least one Review on this class, but im not going to cry about it!

This is just my opinion.
BadRacer

iracercs

12-04-2001, 07:59 AM

Hey Badracer I didn't want to make anybody mad either it was just a point that I wanted to get across so I am sorry I upset you. The point I was trying to get across is that I gave Steve P. the dates and as much info hat I could onthe event and in my eyes I was just shot down for it. All I want is that RCCA to make the effort and come see what the race is all about. Many years ago Cutom Works did advertise in the mag and it didn't get them any where. I'm sure if someone would come and see the race this weekend it might change some minds and Dirt Oval might get some good coverage that is all I'm asking.

Again I am sorry if I made anyone upset with what I wrote earlier I was just trying to make a point and it back fired.

Thanks

Techman Jeff

See You At Kranzel's

fastfred6

12-04-2001, 11:13 AM

Man- i wish I had the luxury of being able to tell my customers to do what they pay me to do when they ask me for a service. I can't really understand why a company would spend so much time defending itself against its own customers when they see the amount of interest show by an avid segment of the hobby. I would do anything to placate an angry customer especially if all it took was attending a great event. And to tell the customer to write his own story, take his own pictures and submit it for review and MAYBE we will consider printing it- that takes the cake. I'm definitely in the wrong business

DerekB

12-04-2001, 11:24 AM

Fred, I'm pretty sure I said I would definately use it. The only hang-up would be poor photography, black pictures are very interesting to look at. Even with the equipment we have indoor photgraphy just doesn't come out that well and translate into print.

ovalnator

12-04-2001, 01:42 PM

Ive been involved in this hobby for about 12 years, and have read every single issue of caraction to date. I remember a dirt oval issue!!! Nothing but dirt oval!! I understand where they are coming from, heck, Ive raced with quite a few of them, and they do have a legitimate complaint. I also understand that you guys cant cover every race. Now Im not going to the Open wheel race in PA, but there is a race Im going to on Saturday, Dec. 29th, The 12th (I think thats right) annual Billy Leader memorial race. All the proceeds are given to the ronald mcdonald house in Billys name; He died at a young age, but was a heck of a driver. I dont know if you guys would be interested in coming to NY for a day to cover that race (seeing thats its not a nationals or anything) but there are always a lot of good drivers that show up and put on a good show. I know you guys wont go to the race in PA, but maybe you can check this race out?? As a racer competing in this event, it would make it hard to cover it, I can try though, seeing that you guys are willing to throw it in the mag, it will be worth a try

goobsoleman

12-04-2001, 05:51 PM

Ovalnator--It will never happen!!!! Been there, seen that, done that. "We are very busy people you know"!!!! "You gotta see it from our point of view". I already know all the answers. What happened to "The customer is always right"? RCCA isn't responding after a year's notice. Not to say anything about 3 weeks. Good Luck!!!!

( Now that I've said that, they will put it in tha mag just to say "I told you so")

goobsoleman

12-04-2001, 06:32 PM

After reviewing our own dirt oval web site ( ha i guess if we can have our own web site I guess there is a way to have our own mag) In the best interest of dirt oval I will no longer persue this with RCCA. I do believe that RCCA will never persue the dirt oval scene. For some unknown reason they refuse to do so. I have come to the conclusion that we do not need them. In the event that they decide to publish anything on dirt oval, they will get no praise from me. They have done nothing for dirt oval and we still survive.
Good bye RCCA. (never to be heard from again) YEAH RIGHT!!!!!!! LOL

TQT2

12-05-2001, 12:06 AM

I would love to have a job\ own a buss. - that would enable me to do what I wanted, when I wanted, because I thought that was what everyone thought I should do...

Is RCCA hiring . . .

BadRacer

12-05-2001, 01:59 AM

iracercs you didn't upset me man! I also tried to make a point and it back fired! I think the point i was trying to make was upfront and truthfull. Maybe since im only 17 I see things alot different. Im not saying this to make anyone mad but I see alot of complaning and crying from people that are twice my age.

If people are this upset with a company, they don't have to buy there stuff.......and im sure RCCA isn't forcing anyone to buy their magizine. I understand the points that the others are trying to make but do you really think complaning about this subject is going to change anything. Dirt Oval Racing is awesome, and i am as angry as the next person that RCCA hasn't covered the Dirt Oval class lately......can't really remember the last time i saw an isssue with anything related to Dirt Oval. Im not going to waste my time to try and get them to cover it, especialy complaning and presuring the Mod's. There is a better way to go about this to get better results, my god......act your age! :p

This is just my opinion, if I offended anyone this time they will get over it!
BadRacer

fastfred6

12-05-2001, 12:10 PM

It's interesting to me that so many people have opinions in a subject that either: A-They haven't had first hand experience with or B- have formed these opinions based on ancient history. I will be the first to admit that dirt oval may be a niche market- but it is very active and growing where it exists. I am 52 years old and have gotten into the hobby due to my now 15 year old sons interest. His interst came from his buddies , his age and slightly older, who have participated in all types of rc racing- off-road, tc, pan cars, nitro etc.. These kids still do all kinds of racing but almost to a man they prefer dirt oval. Sure-Central Pa where we live is a hot bed for real dirt racing- almost a dozen well known dirt tracks like Williams Grove within a stones throw- but thats not all of it. Given equal opportunity the kids prefer oval because you can race so many different types of cars. Trucks, Eastern Dirt Modifieds, Sprint cars, nitro cars. Also, there is a well defined learner program where kids can work their way from sportsman truck all the way to Open mod sprint car which I assure you will give you as big a thrill as any type of rc racing. I love to hang out with the seasoned veterans that have been in the sport forever but I enjoy being with the kids who are just learning even more. All of you who are intent on categorizing dirt oval relative to your own little perceptions owe yourself a trip to a place like Kranzels for one of their big races. I really do think you will come away with a much different perspective. I just returned from Kranzels today after going over to reserve a pit space. I arrived there at 9:25 AM even though they don't open until 10:00. When I arrived there was at least 75 people waiting in line to do the same thing with license plates from at least 7 different states in the parking lot. This may sound like a dying sport to you I don't think I would be in such a hurry to write the obituary. Best Holiday Wishes to all.

ILv2Xlr8

12-05-2001, 04:13 PM

Originally posted by BadRacer
... but I see alot of complaning and crying from people that are twice my age.
... I understand the points that the others are trying to make but do you really think complaning about this subject is going to change anything. Dirt Oval Racing is awesome, and i am as angry as the next person that RCCA hasn't covered the Dirt Oval class lately......can't really remember the last time i saw an isssue with anything related to Dirt Oval. Im not going to waste my time to try and get them to cover it, especialy complaning and presuring the Mod's. There is a better way to go about this to get better results, my god......act your age! :p ...

That is exactly the point I was trying to make several post ago on the first page of this thread. I tried to say it in a less confrontational way, but apparently the point was not taken by most, but am glad to see at least one sane mind post something reasonable giving the glimpse of hope for our world. I am as passionate about anything RC as the next guy, but do not see the point in bashing the mod's and RCCA.
It's threads like these that have the attitudes, bashing, crying, and complaining like two year olds that makes me ashamed at times to tell people I like oval racing, or like anything RC, and this surely does nothing to attract others into the hobby. Very disappointing and disgusting IMHO.
Please don't live up to the stereotypes that seem be cast on the dirt oval racers.
Several of you need to use your enthusiasm and motivation in other ways that may actually do something productive for once. Bring your camera to your races, write up some results, post them on your websites, and most importantly send it to all the media you desire for consideration to be published. And for you two year olds who can't read or write, get hOoKeT oN pHoNNiX.

Just my 2 cents...

BadRacer

12-05-2001, 07:40 PM

ILv2Xlr8.......LMAO! You seem like a cool guy. Fred, I get were your coming from, its just some people don't have the time or money to go to Kranzels. Im 17 and live in Oklahoma, have 2 jobs and hardly ever get to go down to my local track to race which is a bummer! When I first really entered the hobby I was 9 and was racing (trying to) Dirt Oval with my Uncle. This used to be fun till the only track around closed down and my Uncle went of to college.

We should really start a thread on how to get Dirl Oval back instead complaning to the Mod's. If they don't want to cover DO then its their lose. Personaly Iv wanted to get into a class that doesn't have all their stuff in ad's in mag's and so on......and have my kits and so on come from a company thats more focused on building Top Quality kits instead of trying to Market the newest and greatest things. But untill a Dirt Oval track opens up around me or i build one im my back yard my DO stuff from when i was 9 will still sit in storage (iv gottin new stuff each year but i can't really use it). It's a shame but im just as happy racing my TripleX-T.

Dirt is for racing, Asfault is for getting there!
BadRacer

veronitro

12-05-2001, 11:21 PM

Tony Stewart racing R/C cars would not interest most RCCA readers??????!? Are the moderators serious??? Maybe instead of taking polls about your favorite RCCA cover or how long you spend painting your cars body, the editors should take a worth- while poll about what kind of racing the readers prefer. I race at three tracks in Florida and two are dirt oval. We race 1/10 stadium trucks and 1/8 buggy's. You don't need special cars and equipment to race at these events. Set the right side of the chassis stiff and let her ride. Any type of R/C car can race dirt oval, so I don't see the logic in a moderators post that dirt oval cars costs to much for a newbie. Sure, at every track their will be those with thousands of dollars wrapped up in thier rides, but that's just how racing is. Every once in a while, T-maxx's will even mix it up out on the oval. Dirt oval tracks are definetly the easiest to make for track owners and offer some of the tightest, most exciting racing I've seen. I think that it's not the readers who have a lack of support for dirt oval racing, it's the editors of RCCA. I also hard to believe that RCCA can't send a representative to the Tony Stewart race. A reporter, camera, plane ticket and ditto pad are what's required to cover a race. If RCCA thinks it's so difficult to cover a race, then why are they soliciting volunteer reporters to cover the race themselves and send in thier article and pictures to the magizine. Isn't that why we pay for the magizine anyway. Just a few thought's to ponder.

Crazy Canuck

12-06-2001, 06:40 AM

The Tamiya Championship series is a very popular event, especially here in Toronto. Could I not argue that as a reult, we should have more Mini and Lemans car coverage? Im not trying to start a war, but there are all kinds of cars that dont get coverage in RCCA.

Touring Cars, especially Nitro, are becoming very popular. If they are the most popular cars, then by all means, they should get the most coverage.

tc3mike

12-06-2001, 06:41 PM

I'll be there on Sat. Look for me. I'll have a white hat with a blue bill on. I will carry around a TC3 or a XXT all day the truck will be for sale. It has a Mark Martin paint job. Call out TC3MIKE if you see me.

tc3mike

12-08-2001, 07:04 PM

WOW! Dirt oval is awsome! I just got back from the race today. When I left, Tony had TQ'ed in the direct drive modified class. The guy has skills. I couldn't find my father's digital camera, so I couldn't take pictures of the action. Who else was there?

iracercs

12-11-2001, 03:46 PM

Hey Mike I was there in the tech station doing my job a long with my friend Tom. Just to let everyone know that there were 230 people with 306 cars that raced in this 3 day event. Tony was a great guy as always. Hope to see RCCA next year around the same time so leave these 2 weeks open for next year.

RCCA you guys missed out on great racing again so make plans to come next year.

Thanks to everyone that was involved in this years OPEN WHEEL CHAMPIONSHIPS at Kranzel's Raceway & Hobbies.

Techman Jeff

GO FAST, TURN LEFT, AND HAVE FUN!!!!

DerekB

12-26-2001, 05:31 PM

Did anybody get pictures and write a small race report? I was wondering because I haven't heard a peep. The opportunity awaits.

tony b

12-27-2001, 04:40 PM

Tony Stewart is a low class human being...

about 2 years ago he was running a local open wheel event for fun, he took out someone AFTER THE RACE WAS OVER... the sad part is that he did it because he felt the other guy cut him off... and the other guy was in contention for the championship that season, a guy that was racing out of his own pocket, not a big corporate sponsor like Home Depot...

I never cared much for him before that, but respected his talent, now I think he is just a trashy mouthed little whiner that pisses and moans when things don't go his way...

I glad they didn't mention it... what a waste of talent...

goobsoleman

12-27-2001, 04:53 PM

I do believe you are dreamin!
No. 1 they don't run for points at the Open Wheel race. Season points are not a factor there.
No. 2 Tony does not run for Home Depot there.
So before you run your mouth, maybe you better get your facts straight!!!
I was present that weekend 2 years ago, were you?

ILv2Xlr8

12-27-2001, 11:57 PM

Originally posted by goobsoleman
...
So before you run your mouth, maybe you better get your facts straight!!!
...

goobsoleman, I believe Tony B. is NOT refering to a Kranzel's RC event, but rather a FULL SCALE midget car, or TQ race.
Most likely I was there, were you there goobsoleman?
When was the last time you took in a full scale local open wheel event?
Perhaps you should think before you run your mouth, and take some of your own advice goobsoleman!

And maybe Tony B. should post something that has a point related to the topic, and not try to start yet another argument.

Please someone just lock this thing up because it is going nowhere.

:rolleyes:

Poolboy51

12-28-2001, 03:27 AM

To tell you the truth, before reading this thread, I had never even heard of dirt oval. I think I saw it in a Bolink ad or that guy who won readers ride in 2000 (or was that a sprint car?). I don't even know what a sprint car IS. YES, I do get Speedvision (thank god!). I'm not an avid watcher but I think the wacky motor sports they show are interesting. They should have way more advirtisements. Why send our beloved and holy RCCA e-mails and letters when you can send those oval manufacturers and dirt-oval race promoters e-mails and letters.

just my .02 cents:D :D

3xs

12-28-2001, 10:40 AM

I have to agree about Tony being a whiner,Home depot has threatned to pull their sponsorship if he doesn't calm down he needs to learn to engage his speech filter or it is going to cost him his career.He is a true talent no doubt but very immature.

goobsoleman

12-28-2001, 03:41 PM

Ilv -- I do apologize to tonyB for misunderstanding what he said. However The subject of this thread was about Tony Stewart runnin at the"Open Wheel" in Pa.
3xs- If in fact you can judge the man by his actions then all the Pro drivers are "low class human beings" or "immature" because they all do the same thing in one form or another. So if in fact you criticize Tony for his immature behavior you are blasting them all.
I will admit my wrong in my last post.

tony b

12-28-2001, 04:50 PM

ILv2XlR8 is correct, i was refering to full scale sprint cars... he did almost 20k worth of damage to the other guys car in a series he was not even competing in... what a loser... he does nothing to improve this sport or any other he is involved with in my eyes...

Odie

12-29-2001, 12:38 PM

Without getting into too much Kranzel bashing, myself and at least 5 of my racing buddies have all been treated like crap by DAVE at Kranzels. Dave and Tony are like two peas in a pod...they both need to grow up. I'll mailorder before I purchace from a shop that treats you like a shoplifter from the moment you walk in the door. And please, do not call me a liar; I have quite a few people to back up my accusations.

Back to the subject at hand,
Going with that Steve said on the first page, I have to agree it is very hard for someone to make their way into the dirt oval scene. Off-raod will get more coverage in RCCA because thats one class that is easy to get started in. Contrary to popular belief, oval is not as popular across the us as you guys want everyone to think. Oval use to be popular, but those days are long gone. If oval was a little more beginner friendly, I would be up there with you guys racing every week. Having to pay out the wazoo to have a chance at winning just isn't fun for me and about 90% of the other racers out there. So until oval becomes affordable, i'll be turning left AND right on dirt. For example; look at off-road dirt. Where I race at, the track is not that great, the facility is not in the greatest location, but we still manage to have 70-90 racers every weekend. The number of new people we get coming out every year is suprising. Why do all these newbies come out? Because off-road is affordable and fun ! For around $300 you can come out and be competitive in the novice class and have a blast. Not to mention, you get to be outside and race all day long on a saturday when the weather is at its nicest. If you want to spend more, you can have a blast in mod class or even gas truck. Batteries and motors are not as important as driving skill, so the ratio of fun vs. dollars spent is much higher. I am not out to bash you oval guys, but from a oval newbies standpoint it is just too much hassle to get started in unless you have a lot of expendable income. Maybe it is just the idea that most oval guys take things so seriously (hey, I would if I spent $3000 on my pit equipment). Most RC guys are not in the sport to be serious all the time, we just want to have fun and unwind on the weekends!

Rustlerking

12-30-2001, 09:13 PM

wasn't Tony Stewert the S.O.B. that killed one of the greatest race car drivers that ever lived:confused:

OvalRacerMike

12-30-2001, 09:52 PM

Give me who, what, where,and when. I would like to know where you got this information. In answer to your question. NO!!!! If you are talking about the Great Dale E., Tony went out on lap 173 and wasn't even in the race at the time the accident occurred.

OVAL4EVER

12-31-2001, 03:36 PM

I think Derik B somed it up in an email to me when he said somthing to the effect of wheres the advertising> It gave me the impression that RCCA will cover events that generate them money in advertising, Which is fine, one hand washes the other.
But lots of people have approached different members of the RCCA staff in different ways, some not to pleasent, some completely sugar coated, but it dosen't matter. RCCA wont do a thing that isn't money oriented. that is why what is getting covered is getting covered...it has paid for it with advertising....Custom works GAVE them that enforcer quite awhile ago didn't they...but still no advertising in RCCA, and the car isn't built yet is it. think about it next time you make an appeal.
the people of RCCA are just like any other business that is in the public eye, They want the appearence of being interested in all aspectes of the hobby, inorder to appear more atractive to more subscribers, and boosting their rate for advertising...BUSSINESS, they arn't your buds! they want your money and your stats. to help them earn more money....they only care what the general public is spending money on..the days of the old car action that was trying to gain acceptance, by being diverce and covering somthing for everyone once and awhile are OVER. To many people that are paying the bills want to see other things coverd. get over it. Until someone steps up and make the investment of time and money to produce a specilty magizine for dirt oval, or it's popularity growes to the point of tipping the demmogeaphices of the hobby, expect little to no coverage from any magizine...It ain't going to happen. All you going to do is draw a bunch of bubble gum damage cotrol answrs like the ones this subject allways brings. Magizines ARE NOT INFORMATION SOURCES ANYMORE! they are a businees designd to make a much aoney as posible while entetaining enough to mask comercialistic articles that serve their sponsors. that is all and goes for CYCLE WORLD, CAR AND DRIVER, HOT ROD......the list goes on forever, best to just stop stiring the pot, to get the staff rilled. because down inside they know that they have about as much control over what the publish in their magizine as you or I do, to many deals hav been made over the years, and that is that.

tony b

12-31-2001, 03:47 PM

I hear what you're saying about the mags... all they are anymore are large advertisements... If you advertise with us we'll give you a positive write up!!! what crap!!!!!

Cycle World and Motorcyclist (known to all my friends as HondaCyclist and Honda World for their BLATANTLY biased articles) are some of the worst... snowmobile mags are just as bad... they have a nasty habit of naming a sled "sled of the year" without ever having ridden it.... amazing, huh??? telepaths??? I think not, advertising wh0res more likely...

there are very few mags anymore that REALLY tell it like it is... odds are that Associated spent a butt load in advertising this year and that's why they got car of the year with the TC3... it is a fine car, but, there are others that are the equal of it (yes, I have a tc3 myself)...

Crazy Canuck

12-31-2001, 04:05 PM

RCCA reviews new kits, correct. I don't follow dirt oval, Ive never senn a dirt oval race. Could someone tell me when a dirt oval kit was released recently. If it was 3 years ago, its been on the market long enough that its not new and you have no reason to ask for it to be reviewed. If it was last week, I see your point.

Regardless, there are many niche markets out there that want coverage. Drag Racing, the Tamiya Chapionship series, Tractor Pulling, paved/carpet oval, to name a few. If RCCA tried to please all of them, there would be no coverage of Touring cars or Off road, which are the most popular cars in the country right now.

iracercs

12-31-2001, 09:47 PM

Hi it's me again I have read most of the posts and I think it is time to lock up this subject. To the last post Kranzel's has started racing the tc3 on the dirt oval, now it hasn't got a big following yet but you be darn sure once it takes off you will hear a lot about it. This is all I am going to say because my mouth will get me into trouble and I don't want to start anything so please Mr. Derek or Mr. Steve lets lock this post up get to racing OK!!!

Techman Jeff

P.S. I let Craig from Dirt Oval.com and Jeff from World Dirt Racing Assoc. the message to get you some pictures and info on the Open Wheel Championship race that was run at Kranzel's R/C Raceway this past December.

DerekB

01-02-2002, 09:29 AM

Why does every oval thread turn out like this?

Back to my main question- Did anybody get some pictures (high res) like they said? Anybody?

OVAL4EVER

01-03-2002, 01:18 AM

DerekB; OK I'll bite. if some of us were to get some High res. pics, with narratives on what they are and write up a quick report with the facts of the events, (No sence One of us trying to wite an article I think we should just provide you floks with the most facts we can and let yo decide how to edit things to your space available), where and How do we send this stuff? I.E. do we need to have prints made? or just email you some JPEG, files and such? As you are probably aware, we a laymen to the publishing business, so what you consider high realution might be major high tech to some of us. Not cracking wise but we need details on how to submit properly and timely, along with where we need to submit it. If I could get this info perhapes I could send some sample copies of what I can do with the digital camera I have, then you could reply with what is wrong or right with those samples so I don't just waist both our time with usless photos and such. This might open a pandoras box though in respect to to many people sending things for you to go through. If you have another sugestion for me to obtain the standards that need to be met, along with what type of race event you wan to see submitted, IE...local stuff big stuff only combination of the two...etc. you can drop me an email at: batteryman2400a@aol.com. I don't go to a lot of big races but have friends who do, perhapes I can speak with some of them and get a sort of coordinated corespondance coalition started here. Just an Idea.