Tamiya Mitsubishi Pajero Forum

[josh222]

ok, lets see them :)

[pro-4x4]

Here's some pic's. :D

[pro-4x4]

Looks like one at a time! :rolleyes:

[pro-4x4]

Some travel ;)

[pro-4x4]

Above pic from other side. :eek:

[Jimmy33]

Soadly, i am having to sell my Izusu, just so you know, its on ebay now, item number 5922640483
:(
D*mn cash flow problems! Oh, well, be back in a couple of months i hope, it was fun while it lasted! :(

[pro-4x4]

The alloy hubs and uni's

[pro-4x4]

One more to go!

[pro-4x4]

This is after I have trimed the front hub carrier's. If you look closely at the screws for the hubs I haven't done them up yet!! :p

[Tjappie]

Look what I pick up at the LHS yesterday:
http://www.******.net/view_single.php?medid=38864
rc pics offcourse

I've already started building, gonna build it according to the manual, drive it once or twice, then modify it like the pajero's. I already locked the rear diff using the G-parts.
The included ESC looks nice, but I don't expect it too be that great.

Oh, I didn't use the bushings, put bearings in that i had lying around.

I'll keep posting my progress.

[josh222]

nice i have been wanting one of those, finaly tower has them, does it it have soft or hard top?

[4wdmt]

nice ride pro.

[Tjappie]

nice i have been wanting one of those, finaly tower has them, does it it have soft or hard top?

If you mean Lexan or ABS body, it's a lexan body.
I probably won't use the body, i want a pick-up body, will the juggernaut body fit??

[josh222]

ya that body will fit but it costs like $90 :mad:

[josh222]

here is a pic...

F-350 (http://www.rcuniverse.com/forum/upfiles/62960/Vt58236.jpg)

[Tjappie]

I'm not gonna use a juggy body, cause I'm gonna make wheelbase the same as a Pajero. Shorter wheelbase doesn't get stuck on small hills.

I already did some mods, locked the front diff using an extra spider-gear, gonna order another set of G-parts for the locking parts.
Also put some longer shocks in the rear ( from the Blazing Star) but they need lighter oil and springs, doing that tomorrow.
Removed the front bumper for more clearance.
And I dremeld the front suspension a bit for more travel.
Tomorrow Ï'm also gonna do the Zillon/Keith 4-link mod :D

[josh222]

nice :p

[pro-4x4]

Hey Josh who makes that body kit, The pic you put in? It nice eh! :)

How do you open the link that tjappie put in? :mad: it show's www.******.net etc

[josh222]

you type in (RC Pics)
Tamiya makes that body, it is for the jugg 2

[pro-4x4]

Cheers for that Josh, that's a good pic of it...is that on a XC chassis?
How much power is too much power for your steering servo??

Cause I picked one up with 183oz torque! from the servo hut on e-bay for $20.00us. A GWS brand. The standard one does need upgrading......well for crawling it does.

[josh222]

Ya that is a XC chassi with the F-350 body on it, looks sweet :p I would say that is over kill for that servo :p

[pro-4x4]

It must be using the long wheel base to make it fit.

Yeah you may be right with the servo but for an upgrade one here at about 111oz cost 80NZ Dollars :( , so this one with shipping cost me 44nz dollars. I can wait for a week for it to get here. :D

Have my jce heatsink with fan on, fits right on and boy it spins up a storm! Plus it works!! motor is staying nice and cool. :D

[trw]

hehe...i got back from my Friends ranch not but 5 minutes ago and i see the damage Josh has already done :D :p lol.... that F-350 body that Josh posted, after doing more research on it found out you have dremel a huge chunk off the bed to fit the wheelbase of the XC chassis....so if you werent willing to do that, you just wasted $90. btw pro-4x4...your wheelbase seems short for the Jero body which is awkward, you using different A-arms? also, good choise on tires....cant go wrong with dirt hawgs, the only draw back of them is they cant mud bog as good as the stockers since the dirt hawgs are softer, also since they are wider the're a little harder on the steering

when i was up at my friends ranch this weekend with my Jero....some major weekspots became quite visible
#1 steering is just way to sloppy, right now im working on re-designing the steering in order to make it no as sloppy and i'll also prolly put in a high torque servo
#2 is never get a Mtroniks RV-15 ESC.....its supposed to reverse....but cant reverse if its life depended on it... $40 down the drain, now i need a new ESC.

the stock suspenions with both differentials locked and the dirt hawgs did incredible, also being 100% waterproof, tropical storm Ivan didnt dampen my days at all....actually made my weekend more fun with rising creeks and increasingly thick mud and slippery rock.

[pro-4x4]

Yeah your right trw! ;) The wheelbase does look shorter mainly due to the fact that I have raised the front body mounts in order to keep the body looking level. They are 32mm from the chassis to the top. The rear is still standard mounts this has moved the bottom of the wheel ache in the front closer to the tire making look shorter. The rear is A-arm set up. :D

Love the tires...if the BFG's were made from the same compound that would be bloody awesome :cool:
Yes same with me trw looking at beefing up the steering somehow :confused:
With the F350 I thought some major work had been on the truck or chassis, does look good.

Glad you made out of the rain trw! :D

[josh222]

lol :) After i get my job XC chassi here i come :p

[Tjappie]

Ok, I have finished the Race-Touareg, testdrove it, and modded it to a crawler/trailtruck. The only reason i can think of why Tamiya made the Touareg on a XC chassis is realistic looks, cuz it SUCKS bigtime as a racer.
Slow, very bad handling, to easy to rollover ( it will do at 1/4 of fullspeed)
But i didn't buy it for a racer, offcourse. I wanted a pajero for sooooo long but since I'm not a RC-beginner it was better to buy a touareg cuz I dont need another radio or servo's or other crap. The Touareg body is for sale ( only in Holland, srry guys) and I will probably fit a Pajero body (if I can find one).
I've modded the rear into a 4-link, using Zillons and Keiths instructions. I use the shocks from my Blazing Star untill I buy better ones, probably Duratrax shocks. Dremeld a lot on the front for more down-travel. Also gonna shorten the wheelbase for better crawling and fitting the Pajero body. And make a better slop-free steeringsystem.
I'll make some pics tomorrow.

Bye,

Bart AKA Tjappie AKA Kyoshofreak


(well, I did a lot of this stuff yesterday and the day before, but I was to lazy to post. Damn reefers :p )

[Tjappie]

BTW, I didn't mention above that it has a HUGE turningradius, about 175cm, but I think I know why:
#1: the long wheelbase
#2: on the C-hubs that hold the steering-knuckle there is a small pin on the side that stops the knuckle from moving to far. My other Tamiya's, TL01 and Blazing Star, have identical C-hubs but without the pin!!?? So I'm just gonna Dremel the pin.

I also looked at the steering-slop, hoping it was the metal linkage causing the linkage, but it's the whole set-up that's sloppy :(

And last I filled the shocks with 15WT oil and softer springs.

Too bad its too dark now for taking pics...

[josh222]

Cool, when i get mine I will get the Touareg because i like putting it together so i know how it works right, i will just get a servo and a reciever :) should keeep down the cost. I have a Magun JR radio so it will work good :)

[pro-4x4]

Hey Tjappie If you are looking for a body? Go to e-bay and go to the search-for members and type in" jr-rc" he has 4 left of the lexen body's with decals for $45.00us! This is the only ones I have ever seen. He does have a ABS body for $120us!!!

Hope this helps?

[josh222]

I think i will just get the Jero, it will be cheaper than the Touareg

[Doomed]

Have not been here for a while so heres a few pics...

http://www.pbase.com/doomed/image/34338984.jpg


http://www.pbase.com/doomed/image/34338983.jpg

[josh222]

nice nice, what tires/rims you using?

[Doomed]

Hey thanks, The tires are Tamiya Monster Spike from Dagger/Twin Det. And the wheels are off of a Duratrax Maximum MT.

[josh222]

still they look nice

[krawlercrazy14]

Hey guys, i am getting a pajero soon, and i would like to put 2.2 swamper boggers on it. How do i lift the pajero to fit the swampers.And alos i am going to put a magnetic mayhem and a rear locker, what is the lowest gearing i can go with the pajero??

[Tjappie]

OMG, I can't stop modding this thing!! I shortened the wheel base, driveshaft needed to be shortened, just cut it a little.
I already bent the dogbones, they binded badly with de cups because I cut the C-hubs. But putting the black o-ring in the diffcups instead of the wheelshafts fixed this problem.
I'm using a StadiumRaider/WildDagger body, a little to long but not too much, no rubbing. The body has like a million holes cause I use it on a lot of cars.
I haven't decided what body I'm gonna buy for it.

Pics: http://www2.rc-racingcars.com/diversen/gallery/album30

Sorry for the bad quality, I was very shaky

And Doomed, that Zebra-look is awesome!!

[trw]

Originally Posted By Krawlercrazy14
Hey guys, i am getting a pajero soon, and i would like to put 2.2 swamper boggers on it. How do i lift the pajero to fit the swampers.And alos i am going to put a magnetic mayhem and a rear locker, what is the lowest gearing i can go with the pajero??

you dont need to lift the Jero to fit 2.2s

the lowest gearing you can go is the stock gearing which is a 16 pinion on a 74 spur(74 teeth i think)

if you still want to lift it, use Zillion and Keith's rear 4 link setup which can be found 2 or 3 pages back.

to lift the front, your gonna have ot do some custom work of your own.

[josh222]

Get Supernitro rims and some dirt hag tires, looks good

[krawlercrazy14]

I am going to the swamper boggers and ofna off set rims. the hex of the rim sticks out an inch from the back of the rim!!!And i want to get a wranger body, i dont know if i can use the t-maxx one?? if not where can i get one?

[pro-4x4]

Krawkercrazy14 There is a Jeep hard body set on e-bay! at $120.00us!! Member's name is "jr-rc" Type that in the search for members. ;)

[josh222]

dang, that is pricy

[pro-4x4]

Yeah it is, but they are very hard to find......and New....... Sorry Krawlercarzy14........... not Krawkercarzy14!!!!.oops.

[josh222]

There is a Meal top pajero for sale, the hole chassi to

[creech]

Pro-4x4, who's the manufacturer of those alloy hubs (and a part # if yuh could). They would look great with my blue DT shocks :)

[pro-4x4]

http://www.asiatees.com/display.php?id=29&brand=Tamiya&model=TA03&pid=24[/URL] :D

Not sure if I got this link thing correct, They are made by GPM for the TA03 CAR, Alloy Front knuckle arm set. I have just checked at this site and there were 3 sets in stock. They are based in Hong Kong, Site prices in US$. I 'm in New Zealand and they arrived on the morning of the 5th day. :D I'll post this and see if the link works otherwise try again.

[pro-4x4]

Hey if you highlight that link and copy and paste it to your address bar it will take you right to them. Still learning how to work this message forum thingee!! Can't remember a part number for them.

[josh222]

To insert link you click on the globe with the paper clip next to it. Also GPM makes front arms for the Tamiya Hummer that fit on the Pajero :)

[josh222]

here are the arms Arms (http://www.hobbyetc.com/cgi-bin/item.cgi?part_id=394)

[pro-4x4]

Thanks for the tip Josh :D I'll try it!]Arms (http://www.asiatees.com/display.php?id=11&brand=Tamiya&model=TA02&pid=1[/URL) :rolleyes:

Hey cool.........I got it!

[pro-4x4]

Anyway how would you fit them? and if you could I think they would hang you up for rock crawling!! As the ones on the truck are in two parts that you slide the pins in and screw together.
The link I put are for a TA01 and josh's link for the Hummer but say they can fit the TA01 as well, not the same style are they.......Hmmmmmmm! makes you wonder.

[josh222]

You could just put a piece of clear plastic on the arms botems

[Tjappie]

For the people running a Speed 600, wich type do you use?

[mr_pushrod]

My speed 600 is a 7.2v non race.

[josh222]

When I get my Pajero should i get NICD's or save a lil and get NIMH, tower has venom 3000NIMH packs for $20 :eek:

[Tjappie]

I have decided to buy Blackfoot body, but there are 3 different body's. Are they all the same size? If so I want the Blackfoot Extreme body if it's still available. But what are the part nr. for the complete body with bumpers and rollbar and stuff, I can't seem to find them on the net.

[trw]

go to towerhobbies and search Tamiya....go through the entire inventory and ull start finding all the parts...i almost got that body to a while back and i had all the parts and everything but decided not to.

[Tjappie]

I have searched tower and I can only find the King Blackfoot body + all the chrome parts, I want the Blackfoot Extreme body. Are the chrome parts the same on both body's?

[pro-4x4]

Hey Tjappie Try this link! body (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGN59&P=7) :D It has the windows, Tail gate and bumpers and roll bar. this link-rollbar- (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGL86&P=7) Just typed in Tamiya blackfoot in the search at Tower! :confused:

[Tjappie]

That is the KING BLACKFOOT body!!! Not the BLACKFOOT EXTREME body.
But if I can't find the part nr. I might go with the KING BLACKFOOT body.

[pro-4x4]

Yeah I know.......But that's the best I have seen too? Haven't seen a extreme body for sale.

[mr_pushrod]

When I get my Pajero should i get NICD's or save a lil and get NIMH, tower has venom 3000NIMH packs for $20 :eek:

I'd buy some good quality NiMh such as those from GP. They may be more money but you will get longer run times, more power and they will live longer. Remember you need a NiMh compatable charger to charge the cells properly though.

[pro-4x4]

Are you going to fit this type off body on the XC chassis? all you would need if you are is the VW Race Touareg drive shaft.......or make one up. The rear tray on the body will need to be altered or the chassis? I think the wheel base would be 260mm when you move the diff back on the other mounts that are already there on the XC chassis. That's what mine was when I moved the diff to see what it was like. I have been looking at the Toyota landcruiser body from Pro-line for the T-maxx etc it's wheel base is 250mm.

[pro-4x4]

I RUN 3300 NIMH FROM TWK IN MINE AND ARE FAR BETTER THAN THE NI-CAD'S :cool: LONGER RUNNING AND NO REAL MEMORY. ;)

[Tjappie]

So the Blackfoot body only fits with long wheelbase?? I thought it fitted short wheelbase XC-chassis?

[pro-4x4]

It should fit at 241mm wheel base,(the Blackfoot) I was thinking on the jug2 body size of the f350. Sorry if I mucked you up!

[josh222]

Are those venom packs good? Venom 3000 NIMH (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXHUJ9&P=ML)

[pro-4x4]

[QUOTE=trw] .... that F-350 body that Josh posted, after doing more research on it found out you have dremel a huge chunk off the bed to fit the wheelbase of the XC chassis....

Hey trw Can you put a link in to were you got that info on this truck? :confused: or josh, you know were it is? :D

[trw]

got it off of http://www.scale4x4rc.us/

a guy there posted his fansite which explained this....though i forgot exactly where the thread is.

[pro-4x4]

Thanks trw I'll have a look round, There is a guy here selling a body.......sooo just thought I'd check it out.

[josh222]

I found one of those on tamiya club uder the pajero

[pro-4x4]

Found ut! well the one at tamiya club site, Boa-Boa is his name. As I thought you didn't have to do what he did and cut your chassis.

[josh222]

I would rather thrim the body than the extending the chassi

[pro-4x4]

Yeah.... you have so many options with setting up the rear suspension with the extra mounts there, then fine tune the lenght you want with your rods!

[josh222]

Hey Pushrod do you have any more videos? I saw the one where you go down the curb

[Tjappie]

Well, I did some more custom work and I must say I LOVE this chassis :cool: :cool: Unbelievable what it can do, it climbs everything.
I put some rocks together in our rockgarden and crawl it everyday, then when it gets dark I do some mods.
Yesterday I bought a new steering-servo, Hitec 645MG and waterproofed it using CA glue and thick grease. I never needed to screw a hitec open so I just glued all the casing parts together.
Also cut the tires, now they are BFG Swampers :cool: I saw this on Zillon truck and just had to do it. I'm currently bidding on Chevy S10 that has the pajero rims and tires in good condition so I just started cutting those tyres, took about 2,5 hours using that awesome Dremel tool, but I broke 6 thingies cuz they got so hot the tyre started smoking :D
I put one of the Blazing Star tyres on the body (StadiumRaider body), same tyre but a white 5 spoke wheel. I have 3 of these cuz I ruined the 4th trying to boil it off the rim.
After doing all these mods I saw the waterproof radiobox Zillon made and back I went to my RC-Cave :p Found a plastic box with some screws in it, it's made off soft plastic so it won't crack. It fits perfect between the rear fenders, but I had to cut those 2 plastic round thingies, Dremel-Time!!
I made a small hole for the wires and put in rubber pushrod seal from Du-Bro (they are for rc-boats). It's about 99% waterproofnow, going to seal it 100%.


I just got back from the woods trying all the mods I've done (forgot my camera, stupid me), and OH MAN that was fun!!, trail-driving, crawling hillclimbing, mudding this baby does it all. It got very wet and everything just kept working, reciever was still dry afterwards in the recieverbox, ESC is a M'Troniks Sport RV never had problems with it, and the servo held up great.

Only problem is although the tyres are cut, the still get filled with sand, loosing a lot of traction making hillclimbing impossible, even with the locked diffs!!
I'm gonna order those dirt hawqs but I don't know wich one too choose.


Phew, that's my longest post soo far, sorry if my english isn't correct, I'm from Holland. Any more Dutch folks here??

I took some pics when I got home, next time I'll make action pics and clean pics:
http://www.******.net/member/Kyoshofreak
rc pics offcourse

[josh222]

My friend is dutch

[mr_pushrod]

Hey Pushrod do you have any more videos? I saw the one where you go down the curb

Not at the moment I'm afraid, hopefully I'll be able to get a mate with a better camera to take some for me in the near future. Looks like you had plenty of fun Tjappie although I am not surprised the tyres lost grip. Considering the quagmire you appeared to drive through I think anything would have clogged!

[josh222]

ok, hope you get some soon, how high is that little curb you went down and up?

[mr_pushrod]

It's about 50mm at the point the wheels nearest the camera hit it. I hope I get more vids soon as well :D

[josh222]

thAS COOL

[rpmmaxxed]

Anyone intersted in a method to gain LOTS more front travel, while improving handling and costing next to nothing?

[microrcdude]

sure! how much is "next to nothing?"

[pro-4x4]

Yeah! Tells us or show us how it's done? Be very interested!

[josh222]

i would like to know what to do

[Doomed]

Here's the polar opposite of my Zebra Pajero. Maybe not what people like to see but I'm a little off. This is a sort of sneek peek because I have a clear Pajero body that will have a more sporting look. Maybe a wheel change too. I will try to stuff my Novak brushless in this thing before I am through. I know there are much better "cars" suitable for on-road duty. Just trying something different. Wheels are off a HPI Super and the oil shocks are from a Rally TB-O1 to pull it closer to the ground.

http://www.pbase.com/doomed/image/34602494/large.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/doomed/image/34602473.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/doomed/image/34602527.jpg

http://www.pbase.com/doomed/image/34602838.jpg

[4wdmt]

that lowered pajero looks nice. how is the handling?

[rpmmaxxed]

His the parts needed to do so:

Front arms from a Tamiya Blitzer beetle or Stadium Blitzer
Reat dogbones from a stadium blitzer or Blitzer beetle.
Rear plastic links from Pajero.

The arms just need to be shimmed with 2 mm plastic washers. Other than drilling a small hole in the knuckle to mount the new front upper links, everything is a direct bolt on. The dogbones are perfect length. I used 3.5inch DT threaded shocks, and I had Double stock front travel, and The front was over 2 inches wider.

I was unable to drive offroad, but it was def. an improvement on the road.

I will get pics when I get another pajero. I just sold mine.

[Doomed]

4wdmt- I have not even ran it yet. I had been thinking about this project for a while and I had a NIB Pajero sitting around. So I started tonight!

rpmmaxxed- Thanks for the info! I happen to have a Blitzer Beetle sitting around doing nothing. To bad you don't have any pics would have like to have seen it. What did you do for a motor since the stock gearing is so whacky?

[josh222]

the pics aren't workin for me

[mr_pushrod]

I've got an onroad Pajero as well!
http://www.photodump.com/direct/mr_pushrod/1.jpg
http://www.photodump.com/direct/mr_pushrod/2365.jpg
Mine is a bit different though, it's a 1/12th pan car chassis with 1/10th wheels and foams. The chassis is made from bits of Bolink and Associated with the Pajero shell coming from HPI and designed for mini size chassis. I got it off a mate who raced it like this with a 12 turn D4 (also included :D) who just wanted some more space. I have since sorted body posts and driven it a few times on 6 cells. All I can say it's silly fast although I needs carpet for it to actually produce any grip. I also got off him another body which is currentely being stripped to produce something even madder.............
http://www.photodump.com/direct/mr_pushrod/358.jpg
Once the shell is done, I just need to sort some 1/12th front wheels and foams for that full hot rod look then find a nice flat bit of road. I am going to fit it with a IPC Pro Sport so will be good for 8 cells:D

[Doomed]

josh222- werd, can you see my Zebra one back a page?


mr_pushrod- thats very cool, looks like a Shogun! Thats what I am going for. That thing looks really light. Thats for the info and pics mr_pushrod.

[mr_pushrod]

Cheers, I liked it ever since I saw it but then I like weird stuff! The chassis is very light as it there is nothing to it. As it's fibreglass it flexes loads which it needs as it has no other suspension. HPI still list the Pajero under discontinued giving a part number of 7025 and wheelbase of 208mm.
http://www.hpiracing.com/graphics/bodies/7025paj.jpg
http://www.hpiracing.com/bodies/body-mn-disc.htm

[Doomed]

Very cool pic, thats really what I am going for. It even has the front "A" bar that i am looking to fabricate, some how. Thanks again!

[josh222]

i see them now, looks nice :p

[Doomed]

O.K. took the "Shogun" for a test drive. The positive is that it won't flip over. No matter how hard you flick it. Of course I'm still running the stock motor. The solid rear axle is going to make things interesting when I increase the speed. Next is full bearings, and a hotter motor. Not the brushless yet but maybe a 14 turn to see how it reacts.

[Combatcm]

Do you notice any torque steer? Mine always lifts a front when I nail it. I'm sure it will mess up the handling with a hot motor. With the stock motor and those small wheels, it must go 8mph.

Anyone one notice that tamiya cars use that huge combo spur and idler together, I wonder why someone never though of making it into a slipper somehow?

Doomed, get over to the TL01B forum, its doomed! I thought you were dead.

[Doomed]

Nope no torque steer, but as you said with the stock motor I think it literally goes about 8mph! Not enough power to reveil any negative handling characteristics. Yet.

Oh and my King has been in pieces since my monster conversion. Its going back to being a King again. I will speak with you about it in the TL-O1B thread.

[pro-4x4]

Looks cool Doomed! Like the last pic-good stance. Have you thought about dropping the body down a bit?

[josh222]

cool, that will be cool

[mr_pushrod]

I have had bad expeirences with putting fast motors in my Pajero. I was running a Chameleon 19 turn with bearings, oil shocks and a locked diff and it was virtually undrivable. You couldn't nail the throttle from standstill as the rear axle moved sideways massively under the torque and it had no stability at speed. Yours will be much better Doomed as it's a lot lower with those big slicks although I would change to a 4 link setup with triangulated upper links. You shouldn't get much or any rear axle movement although it wouldn't surprise me if you get you right hand front wheel lifting. With the 600 in mine I can wheelie easily when going full throttle forwards from reverse :eek:

[josh222]

what would a brushless do?

[mr_pushrod]

Potentially make it either undrivable or liable to eat gearbox components. Got to be worth a go though:D

[Doomed]

Thanks pro-4x4 and josh222!


mr_pushrod - I agree the power might be to much. I was told the Baja King would not hold up to the brushless. It works great. The Novak system has the lowest power output of all the systems out there. I don't doubt your experience , in fact I welcome it! I think I will take your advise about making a four link for the rear. I saw a little bit of axle hop when I was going around some off camber corners. A smooth four link should help get rid of the slop. Thanks again for the info!

[mr_pushrod]

TL-01B can certainly take brushless, there is a guy on Tamiyaclub with one and it flies! My main concern is the front gear cover that hold the motor mount down, the 3x10 screws just aren't long enough. I have had to add superglue to the holes as a few of mine have stripped threads. If you increase the grunt of the motor then you will put more pressure on these screws until they have no effect. I had heard of this problem before so had been very careful with these screws to make sure I did not overtighten them. While longer screws may help, the answer seems to be in a mod I have seen where you drill these holes all the way and use nuts and bolts instead. At the end of the day though, parts are now readily available for the XC and it's always fun to overpower something massively. I look forward to seeing the results of this!

[Doomed]

O.K. I will be taking a hard look at the motor cover as the testing progresses. Which motor made the cover screws loose? Was it around 14 turns or hotter? The bearings are on the way as are some wheels and tires. Still trying to work out a paint scheme...

Great info, thanks.

[josh222]

cool

[mr_pushrod]

It was after running a 19 turn Chameleon then a Graupner Speed 600 which is immensely torquey. In fact, here is a little test I did a while back which may help you all to find the right motor for your XC:)

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/xforum/topic.asp?TOPIC_ID=13697

PS. Don't get tempted to wheelie your Pajero by going from reverse to forwards, I bet that didn't help mine, lol.

[pro-4x4]

Interesting reading your test mr_pushrod. You must have a slack job!!??...............Lucky sod! So the Graupner speed 600 is a good choice for slow crawling work? better than the RS540 sport tuned?
Not very on to it with the motors but low turn motors=high rpm-low torque and high turn=higher torque-lower rpm. That's about all I really know.

[mr_pushrod]

Lol, as part time jobs go, I think I struck pretty lucky with this one! Graupner is cheaper and almost certainly torquier than the sport tuned as it is higher turn and also a longer can. I would really like to test an LRP truck puller motor as these are 80 turn 540s with open endbells so changeable brushes but it isn't something the shop stocks so I couldn't just test it off the shelf, lol. The equation for motor performance is largely correct although other factors can affect performance as well.

[josh222]

does tower have the speed 600?

[pro-4x4]

I Don't think so Josh, It's more of an English brand as such and with so may choice's in the US I don't think many US shops would stock them. I am not 100% on this but I think I wouldn't be far of the mark. If you search google you will find it's mostly if not all English hobby shops that have them.

[josh222]

OK, I live in Canada if that will help at all?

[mr_pushrod]

Graupner is actually a Geman company that is widely available in Europe although is not listed on Tower. You could order one from England or take a gamble on another motor such as this;

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXFWY7&P=7

The Speed 600 appears to have a 550 sized can so this boat motor could be worth a go as it's pretty cheap. Unfortunately there are no details on turns or timing so it could be terrible or it could be perfect.

[josh222]

What would be a good torque fulled motor i can get from Tower?

[pro-4x4]

Thanks mr_pushrod, Knew they would be made over your way somewhere?

Josh- here is a place that will ship to you and has $us price's and can pay with paypal.here! (http://www.modelflight.com.au/electric_graupner_speed_motors.htm)

[creech]

Thought this might interest you guys.

http://www.kyosho.co.jp/web/products/car_bike/monster_truck/gp_4wd/qrc_4wd_pajeroevo/qrc_4wd_pajeroevo-e.html

[pro-4x4]

Thanks creech, Looks cool eh! A real high speed sand racer. That would be neat to have as well as the crawler pajero, one for high speed racing and stuff, the other for crawling around! both worlds covered!

[Doomed]

Very cool creech, thanks.

[creech]

Yeah, looks like a ripper. I have tried turning my jero to a ripper, but, well ........ yunno. That XC chassis just ain't built for speed.

[josh222]

thats cool but it wouldn't be a good crawler

[trw]

yea but it would be a nice rally competitor...if i get the money i will buy that.

[Combatcm]

That car reminds me of the older nitro cars, with its big cage thing in the back and the weird looking chassis. I'd get it, if it even comes out.

[microrcdude]

That car reminds me of the older nitro cars, with its big cage thing in the back and the weird looking chassis. I'd get it, if it even comes out.oh, didnt it have like a dodge ram or like a bug body on it?

[josh222]

it would be cool to have

[pro-4x4]

How is your testing going on your Pajero with the 600? :)

I found this chart with all there motor listings and spec's have a look and could you give the part number of the one you tested?speed 600 (http://homepage.ntlworld.com/edward.matthews/ddmbc_files/motors/graupner.htm) :D

What is a flux ring? :confused:

[pro-4x4]

Hey this link has the part numbersthis one (http://www.modelflight.com.au/electric_graupner_speed_motors.htm) :rolleyes:

[josh222]

I am kinda new to electrics but is ith e high the turn the more torque or less turns?

[Combatcm]

A flux ring gives the motot more torque, however, it is a ring that goes on the outside of the motor and the motor does sit on the bottom of the chassis. You may have to dremel the chassis.

I'm trying to fix mine up now, I have to find the pieces though. Going to get some great videos of it.

[mr_pushrod]

A flux ring gives the motot more torque, however, it is a ring that goes on the outside of the motor and the motor does sit on the bottom of the chassis. You may have to dremel the chassis.

I'm trying to fix mine up now, I have to find the pieces though. Going to get some great videos of it.

Combatcm is right about the flux ring, both in his description and in the fact you would need to dremel the chassis. Mine doesn't have it fitted as I have not been brave enough to cut the chassis yet! [GRP1793] Speed 600 7.2V motor is what I am using, have run it plenty and am very pleased with its performance. I doubt I will want anything else, only to fit the flux ring. Just remember you are going to have to grind the motor shaft so it doesn't rub against the battery compartment.

[trw]

orr just get a higher turn motor for more torque...yes btw highers turns have less speed and more torque.

[mr_pushrod]

Speed 600 is higher turn, only spins at 9100 rpm and has far more torque than the stock 540 even without the flux ring.

[pro-4x4]

Thanks for that info all of you guys. :D I have come accross a Mig 600 speed? I guess that would roughly be the same sort of set up as it is for a Plane. So if you want torque look at Plane and boat motors!? would be a good start ;) As these motors have to have good thrust to get these going to overcome the drag of water or a plane to get air flowing over the wings to create lift, makes sence to me. :)

Hopefully mr_pushrod you will put the ring on and show as photo of it? :eek: (this is the flux on your motor of course!) :D

Looking forward to your video's combatcm :cool:

[mr_pushrod]

Can't take a picture unfortunately as I am in uni and the digital camera I use is back at home. I have however found this picture of one with the ring fitted. As you can see it isn't very thick but is enough to interfere with the gear cover. As for the Mig 600, are there any specifications? You can get a Speed 600 Race which is about 22 turns would be far faster and not as torquey as a normal Speed 600.

[pro-4x4]

Can't see you Pic mr_pushrod!? is it there or my computer playing up? I'll have a look to find out more on the Mig 600, Was surprised as I found it here in NZ on a Model rc site! I'll try and find it again tonght at work.

[mr_pushrod]

http://www.sigis-modellbaushop.de/shop/catalog/images/Speed%20600%208,4V.JPG
Doesn't seem to be working for me either. Here is a pic of the 8.4v version which looks identical to the 7.2v one.

[josh222]

cool, is the speed 600 the best?

[mr_pushrod]

In the test I did of various motors, the Speed 600 came out with the most torque and was usefully the cheapest as well. LRP do a truck puller motor which is an open endbell 540 but with 80 turns. Will probably have more torque than the 600 but is a bit too slow for my liking, it's also £20 more.

[pro-4x4]

Would this motor be very close to your one? GP (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXJ765&P=7)

Cheap price!

[mr_pushrod]

ElectriFly T-600 7.2-9.6 Volt Ferrite Motor

SPECS: Windings: 22 turns of 0.75mm wire
Timing: 3 degrees
Resistance: .52 ohms
Max RPM (unloaded): 20,000 - 23,400

The winding on this is way too low, take for instance the unloaded rpm figure, the Graupner site quotes only 11,000rpm unloaded for the motor I use.

http://www.shop.graupner.de/webapp/commerce/command/ExecMacro/Graupner/macros/main.d2w/report?lang=en&show_cat=5480

[pro-4x4]

Ahh! OK.....I get the drift : :) I also now understand what you mean with the flux ring! and why you have to cut your chassis, Just thinking out loud here, If you have the ring on and place the motor back in, Two problems arise? You pinon does not mesh? and the motor mount will not sit flush again? Is it possible to make a little spacer between the motor mount and chassis? and try a bigger gear pinon? (more teeth) would that bring it into mesh right with the main gear? :confused: oops I just remembered now! :eek: The whole top gear case also locks down on the motor :rolleyes: Well that's a waste of time..........hmmmm well it gave you something to read didn't it!!!! :D

The Mig I found has no specs at all, and seacrhing around google its all german sites that seem to have them.

[josh222]

how much are the Speed 600's?

[josh222]

I found this one on EBAY..

Speed 600 (http://cgi.ebay.ca/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34058&item=5917365200&rd=1#ShippingPayment)

[pro-4x4]

Hey Josh Good work! :) Yes right brand but this is the one mr_pushrod has. here (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34058&item=5917367823&tc=photo) :D

As early he said look at the rpm load or I should say NO-LOAD RPM, As you can see very low 11,000 on the spec's. :)

[Tjappie]

Hi guys, the SPEED motors are actually made by Mabuchi, and modified by Graupner. If you peal the sticker off the motor (for better cooling) you will see the motor-nr., motor type and the name Mabuchi. I just bought this one:http://www.shop.graupner.de/webapp/commerce/command/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=6488&prmenbr=1081&lang=en (the picture is wrong, its not a 500 race). When i peeled the sticker off what did I see: RS-550SH Mabuchi!!!!
The motor costs €12,50, probably about $15 in the USA. The SPEED motors are absolutely the best bang for the buck, and perform very good. I have 2 others, a SPEED 300 in my Mini-T, and a SPEED 700 RACE 9.6v running on 12 cells in my Boat :D Thats another plusfor these motors, they can handle much more voltage than what the manufacter says they can handle, and if they burn just replace them.
I'll fit it tomorrow and let you guys know how it performs.

BTW, don't get the ECO version, it's not very powerfull.

[Combatcm]

Here are some things I'll just throw out there.

http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=search&item=DCM-231&type=store

http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=search&item=DCM-215&type=store

http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=search&item=DCM-229&type=store

http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=search&item=DCM-234&type=store - Anyone think that looks like a short can 540?

http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=search&item=DCM-104&type=store - I would reccomend this one...ONLY $3.50

http://www.allelectronics.com/cgi-bin/category.cgi?category=search&item=DCM-216&type=store

They also sell tons of neat stuff at that site

[pro-4x4]

Hmmmm May have got it wrong, But mr_pushrod did say that one 1793 which he had, But I think he also said NO-LOAD RPM ON HIS WAS 11.00RPM :confused: which is the eco model. The 1793 has no-load of 18.200rpm? The last link I put in was what I thought mr_pushrod had as it had the 11.000no-load spec :( Oh well that's fine I think we know hell of a lot now on this motor and seems to be the way to go for far better torque and better run times to go with?

Please let us know Tjappie you findings on it. :)

[pro-4x4]

HOLY COW!!! At those sort of prices you might as well buy 3-4 and try them, Couldn't go wrong could you! what a steal.

Thanks Combatcm

[Combatcm]

I have not used, but would reccomend the RS550PF, the only thing is I have not used any 550 motor in the pajero, so I don't know if the battery will fit in the chassis.

Also, I'm bringing you guys some more stuff, the mabuchi website lists all the toque and rpm rating for all their motors, in the 540-550 class there are a bunch of motors, 4 to be exact, the 540SH, 540RH, 550PC, 550VC. Another interestign thing is other motors that are available, there are also 545 motors and 555.

But anyway, get a load of the RS-550VC, 19800RPM@14.4v, torque load stall at an amazing 5994g@1cm, wow, no doubt a titan though.

http://www.mabuchi-motor.co.jp/english/product/index.html -have fun

Good stuff, those drill motors are insane.

[Tjappie]

Hi, I installed the SPEED 600 7.2V (part nr. 1793) and did 1 testdrive. It definitely has more power than the stock motor.
Pro's:
A lot more torque
A little more topspeed
Very cheap

Con's:
motor needs some dremeling on the end of the shaft, Tabs need to bend sideways
Torque-roll got a bit worse

I can't say anything about runtimes yet, and motor and ESC heat is about the same as with the stock motor (M'troniks Sport RV ESC).
About the Con's: the dremeling isn't really a bad thing, very easy to do and you don't have to dremel much.
Torque-roll is pretty bad, but it was also bad with the stock motor and it is only when you yank the thottle, wich I never really do with this car. I only yank the throttle when I want to turn fast in the sand, doing a bitt of drifting so it turns on a dime :)

BTW... the motor I have didn't come with a flux-ring, but it wouldn't fit on the chassis anyways, and I have 3 flux-rings from other motors.

Check out this ESC: http://www.shop.graupner.de/webapp/commerce/command/ProductDisplay?prrfnbr=1451662&prmenbr=1081&lang=en

It has a lot of programmable features, and its waterproof! probably very expensive

[mr_pushrod]

Ok, looking through all the info, I would say that it has to be the Eco I have which is 3323. The 600 I have is definately slower than the stock motor as well as having more torque. I think some of the motors from allelectronics have got to be worth a look as well.

[pro-4x4]

No problem mr_pushrod. Sounds like it's worth it with these motors to gain more torque as high speed driving isn't really an option unless you lower it and use it as Doomed has done. And with the one's Combatcm has listed above............what a deal!

Thanks for your findings Tjappie.

[josh222]

So i should get the eco?

[mr_pushrod]

If you can, yes.

[trw]

well guys, its been fun, but i am sorry to say i am selling my Pajero soon, just electric isnt fun anymore for me...plus soon (1 year maybe) il be getting a real car to mess with, still not selling my nitro though, but, I will be selling it (pajero)for very little, starting at 10 cents with no reserve, will post when the auction is up.

[josh222]

i you wait i will buy it, i will have money in about 2-3weeks

[pro-4x4]

Yeah offer it to josh as has been in here for so long and wanting one!

[josh222]

Ya once i buy halo 2 on friday(preorder) I can get $50 in 2 weeks and so on

[pro-4x4]

THIS HAS NOTHING AT ALL TO DO WITH THE PAJERO! :rolleyes: But here's what you can do to a crappy rc car! :D You must have seen these on e-bay? So with some spare parts I ripped the guts out and put in the basic's!! old speed controller from the pajero etc, and a rs380 tamiya motor! She honks along ok, but think in time it will fall apart. :eek: My daughter now can smash it around in the drive way!

[pro-4x4]

Very simple to swap over!

[pro-4x4]

old pajero MSC! :p Lucky this thing had so many screw holes to use! :D

[josh222]

lol, my old radio shack car has my old tires and rims on it :)

[Doomed]

Thats really cool, looks pretty big too. How long is that?

[josh222]

i think it is like 17" long but that is my guese

[pro-4x4]

It would be cool if it had some REAL suspension in it! It has about 5mm at each wheel. Tires are a hard rubber stuff. On the concrete you spin the wheels up when you take and you can do neat little power slides when you turn.

It is big at 560mm long and and 215mm wide and 210mm height. Its saves mine from being smashed from my daughter!! ohhhh woman drives!!

[josh222]

yes, i am gona get trw's pajero :D

[mr_pushrod]

That looks like a fun little plaything pro-4x4, how do the dimensions compare to the Pajero? The shell looks pretty detailed as though it could make quite a nice display alternative for the XC. Hope things work out well for getting trw's Pajero Josh, you've been after one long enough!

[pro-4x4]

Well done Josh! I'll take some photos of them together. It is a good body. I think a flat type of chassis would be good such as the ranger f150....my thinking is that it has a metal flat chassis which would easy to make a longer one or add a bit in the middle. send pic shortly.

[pro-4x4]

Hmmmm it is big! wheel base from axle to axle is 325mm. take a look.

[pro-4x4]

A few more to show it's size! :D

[pro-4x4]

Wide! you also use fat tires to bring the wheel track out!

[pro-4x4]

Well I thrushed it today, stole of my daughter and was doing donut's! :rolleyes: Gearbox can't handle the heat! :D Have a look!

[pro-4x4]

I did buy that F350 body of a guy here and got the rest of the parts from Tower, will make one as I picked up another xc chassis, you can make the wheel base as I have done it with mine. No need to cut the chassis. Drive shaft you can use any rod that's 5mm! This will be my summer job on the rainy days. A few tricks I am going to do with it to make it work :D

[trw]

heh, Josh, if you wanna see what this thing has been through, go here: http://www.myrccar.5u.com/pajero.htm every picture ever taken of that thing is there.

[josh222]

Ya i saw it on rouge 4x4

[mr_pushrod]

Hmm, think I may not bother with the X5 shell, lol. Speaking of, looks like it will also be fitted with a locked diff, can't see it climbing too well though! Look forward to seeing the F350 project, I'd like to do similar but with a Clod shell but finding a cheap XC could be a problem. Will have to wait for Touaregs to flood the market and force prices down!

[josh222]

I think TRW is gona give me a good deal, about$100 for the Pajero,radio, MIMH battery and a 3hour wall charger(GOOD ONE IS GONE ALREADY) and his jero is moded a bit, will have the funds in 2-weeks :D

[josh222]

and yes i think i have been waiting long enough, almost a year and i have been on this fourm since page 26 :p

[pro-4x4]

Yes the bmw just couldn't hack it!

With the F350 the main problem is finding a space for your 7.2 pack to sit as the cab covers it up so you can't get in it (cut the chassis and you still can get it with the tray that lifts up) So I will join the two as one, and hinge it at the front so I retain the battery holder where it is. Their is room to sit under the rear tray right up by the tail gate, but a lot weight hanging there and the mount you have to make would take some time. But yes will keep you guys up to date with as go along, No rush!

What XC parts do you need mr-pushrod? a whole truck+radio gear? or just parts?

[pro-4x4]

Awesome Josh! Yes trw he has done some work to it hasn't he!!

That is a good deal trw you have given him, -good on yeh!

[josh222]

ya and i should have the money next friday, waiting for my mothers aproval though :mad:

[pro-4x4]

Well....... you better be good and help out around the house!

[josh222]

I don't know if it is worth it now, there is no more 4-link no oil filled shocks and 3hour wall charger

[pro-4x4]

Hmmmm..... It's something you have to think on? I take you are getting a battery? All you need is a charger! get a good one with slow and quick charge as waiting 3 hours for it to charge would be a pain. You would have to price things out and see how it stands. You will have to put things in priority and go form there. One: You will have the truck, Two: Save and do the things you want to do to it your way? As they say Rome was not build in a day! If you saved for a new one you still need a charger and battery, then the parts to change it................... at the end of the day it still would be cheaper than a new one wouldn't it?

[Tjappie]

Mmmm, I was llooking at some German RC Trail forums, and it seems that a lot off people use the LRP Truckpuller motor, or they use a motor from a drill, they even use the gear-reduction parts from the drills!

check it out at:
http://www.modelltruck.net/index.php?

It's all German but scroll a bit down to Trail Fahrzeuge (Modelle)
just click the links and be amazed......

[Combatcm]

I did some mods to my pajero

http://gb-bb.bei.t-online.de/bilder/IIII.jpg

yeah right, the US is too busy with monster trucks, these guys love these chassis.

[pro-4x4]

JEEEZZZZZZZZZZZZ! Tell us more on what you have done combatcm!! more photo's?? That looks very very interesting, someone has been thinking a lot lately and busy!!!

[josh222]

dam that is a lot of mods

[pro-4x4]

Ahhhh! Not your truck combatcm! Wish I could understand German, very interesting what they get up too, They sure do play around with idea's and put them to the test. Yes they do love the XC chassis, Just looking around at the Tamiyaclub and the guys from Germany always have a few xc stuff.

[josh222]

use a translator

[pro-4x4]

Will do!

[josh222]

that should work

[mr_pushrod]

What XC parts do you need mr-pushrod? a whole truck+radio gear? or just parts?

It would basically be an entire truck minus shell, wheels and tyres. Would then be a case of doing pretty much what you are planning on doing with the F-350. I don't fancy doing it to my Pajero as I know extending the wheelbase would compromise it offroad as would the raising of the CofG going from lexan to a hard shell. I'd really wanted an XC for really hard off roading so wouldn't want limit its abilties by fitting the Clod shell.

Josh, the deal still sounds worth it as links and shocks are pretty cheap to add. Once you have the Pajero, you can modify it slowly, that way you appreciate all you do to it.

Combatcm, is that a 700 size motor in that Pajero?

[Combatcm]

I believe its the LRP truckpuller, it looks as though he hooked up a pully to a double shafted 540 and used the 540 just as a pinion holder.

The thing I can't figure out is what's that second servo doing there?

[losiXXXman]

Pro 4x4 -

Do you have any details on the X5 manufacturer? Is it a toy or die cast ? I don't want to steel your project, but every time I see die casts with all their detail, I'm tempted to do a conversion. Only thing is, 1/24 doesn't leave much room to fit the gear.. That truck is awesome !!

[pro-4x4]

Hey losiXXXman What I can remember that the only name on the box was "Tracer" I have seen these on e-bay. They are good detail for what they are-But it is a toy!! Big too as you can see next to the Pajero. I was only mucking around with it just to pass some time as I have been waiting to my parts for the F350 I want to make. It is all Plastic. It is possible to turn a die-cast into a rc- I think using mico servos etc? Whan you look at a mini-z they are 1/32 scale-may the guys from one of them? If I find one on e-bay I will post a link to it! If you had a lot of spare's you could really make something of it I think.

[pro-4x4]

I meant the GUTS FROM A MINI-Z!

[pro-4x4]

Here's the link to one-X5 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2565&item=5928451788&rd=1)

[pro-4x4]

I believe its the LRP truckpuller, it looks as though he hooked up a pully to a double shafted 540 and used the 540 just as a pinion holder.

The thing I can't figure out is what's that second servo doing there?
I think if he is running two motors?- and the truck puller motors are slow aren't they? So maybe the 2rd servo slips it into gear? He has the option to use the faster motor and when he needs the torque locks it in? The trails they do with there rc truck's is the same as we do here with our 1/1 trucks for our rallys.

[Tjappie]

No no not 2 motors, it's a Truckpuller with belted-drive gear-reduction. And the second servo controls a diskbrake mounted on the motor :cool: :cool:
Almost every truck is the cabine(????) from a toy truck made by www.bruder.nl . They also make the cool Unimog, and the body's are perfect fit on the XC-chassis.
Í checked the local toy store and the bruder trucks are about 20-30 Euro's and the cheapest Unimog is 18 Euro's, thats about $20.

Check out this Unimog:
http://www.bruder.de/anzeigen-flyout.asp?ArtKennung=231
I will definitely get this one :D :D

[cdm]

Here's the link to one-X5 (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=2565&item=5928451788&rd=1)

(ignore that this is my first post, i've been reading for over a year and just recently registered and so on. drop the newbie prejudice if any)

Well i got one of those BMWs a month or so ago and the detail is incredible. The plastic is sturdy enough but the paint is cheap and literally rubs off. It also comes with actual headlight lens (reflective chromed plastic)..

Though it is completely useless when it comes to driving. There isn't enough torque it get it to move across the carpet.

Right now i have it in pieces pending conversion but i can't make up my mind whether to get the pajero is spend 180$ on converting this thing.

I want to keep the rear solid axle (it's already locked "differential") and hook it up to a spare 540 motor i have but i am running into problems with mounting the suspension and then when all is said and done the gearing will most likely suck really bad.

[pro-4x4]

Hi cdm I think at the end of the day the pajero will be far more fun and worth while, With the Pajero you can do a lot of mods to it! Not only with the motor and suspension, But you have the option to run many bodys with the rest of the XC range, Even the Honda and VW. The mounts are there to move your rear end back for this lenght. all you need is to make another driveshaft. At the moment I am putting this F350 together with this Chassis. Very good chassis, But not a high speed racer but is more stable at the longer wheel base. I would go with the Pajero as your fun starts right away, Work on the BMW when in time you have spare parts to play with that may fit the bill!

GO PAJERO!! You won't be disappointed!
Nice to hear from you!

[pro-4x4]

Here's a photo of the body I am going to put on, as you can see I have made the wheel base without cutting the chassis! If you can imagine this lenght but as low as doomed's one he has made into a Road racer type setup on his pajero............options are endless? :D

I know the chassis is upside down but still fits the wheelbase and the diff is all connected up. :)

[cdm]

Yeah i suppose i'll go with the pajero and do the 4 link in the rear + a graupner motor.

I tried mounting the 540 ( a few minutes ago) on the X5 but the plastic isn't sturdy enough.. now i am convinced one would need a new differential, suspension mounts, cvd joints, a way to get the tires mounted to the axles + a couple hours of drilling. Not worth it in the end unless you are looking for a major project/headache. i'll put it back and place it on display. Looks nice there.

I have a few rally cars and i really am not looking for speed. Need something to play with that will actually climb over the barren landscape of my yard :)

The ford is looking great and the extra inch or so should really help with the stability issues due to the short wheelbase. cheers

[trw]

well josh decided to save up for a real car instead of purchasing my Pajero.

so i put it on ebay, search "tamiya pajero" and look for the one being sold by metastorm, that would be me.

[cdm]

well josh decided to save up for a real car instead of purchasing my Pajero.

so i put it on ebay, search "tamiya pajero" and look for the one being sold by metastorm, that would be me.

Yes i saw it and was like "wait, i've seen this one before". I think was the first one.. 2 hours after it was listed. heh

[littlebuddha]

hey guys, i'm buying a second hand volkswagen touareg, do you think 125 is a good price for the stock kit with the stock tamiya esc? thanks. it seems pretty new.

[josh222]

does it have a radio?

[josh222]

Ya, i decided not to buy even tough i would really like to :( I am on a tight budjet right now, Trying to get a job and stuff

[littlebuddha]

no it doesnt include a radio or batteries, just everything that came with the kit- silver can motor and stock esc. you think 125 is worth it or can i get a better deal, maybe one with hopups bearings etc? I'm just a little unsure about the market value for second hand vehicle, and i'd like to hear what you guys have to say. they are sold new on tower for $170 with the $20 coupon off,let me know, cause I can wait. The shipping is included in 125 though. let me know. thanks.

[pro-4x4]

Seem's a good price if it's only a few months old, have you seen it or photos of it? To get a better deal I think you will have to wait a while as they have only been released not long ago.

[josh222]

ya that seems good,

[littlebuddha]

thanks guys, i'll be getting the car soon, hope to join your forum more regularly soon!

[josh222]

hope you like it

[mr_pushrod]

How can you not like the XC? :D

Oh, got G Parts on Tuesday for the front diff, will be fitting them today. :cool:

[Doomed]

Now you will be climbing!

[josh222]

lol, with a good motor the jero can go vertical?

[littlebuddha]

hey guys, just was checking for some bearings for my new car (when it comes) and i found that the ta02 bearing set from duratrax in tower should fit perfectly! plus its way cheaper and i even get some extra bearings left over. The specs seem right,what do you guys think?

[nitro_newbie]

is there a simple way of lifting this r/c because it looks very realistic with some 2.2 noster truck tires
thanks for input

[trw]

simple way? nope

you want to lift this sucker, your gonna have to do some custom work.

[josh222]

you can file down the front end suspention and put longer shocks, in the rear you put a 4-link and t-maxx shocks

[mr_pushrod]

Will see just how well the Pajero climbs today, going to meet up with a few other local guys for some off road running. I have been told of a slope at this area only a mate's Tamiya Bruiser on Imex G Hawgs could crawl up last time. I'll see if the Pajero can get up it:D

[josh222]

sounds good, tell us how it did :)

[mr_pushrod]

Well, it was wetter than expected! Had not rained all day but as soon as we were getting ready to go to where we were running, the heavens opened! Didn't put many of us though so plenty of cars (including the pajero) got very dirty. Only a few pics so far that a mate from Tamiyaclub took (cheers 4-0!) although you can see the surface, really sandy mud and plenty of water. As for the slope, I think i found it and managed to climb it twice with plenty of throttle before the rain made it way to slippy. Hopefully a video will be coming soon with my Pajero in it, can't wait!

http://www.tamiyaclub.com/tc_userimages/1737/img1737_23102004203911_1.jpg
http://www.tamiyaclub.com/tc_userimages/1737/img1737_23102004203911_2.jpg
http://www.tamiyaclub.com/tc_userimages/1737/img1737_23102004203911_3.jpg

[josh222]

sweet, looks real cool :D

[Tjappie]

Yeah Nice action pics :cool:

[Tjappie]

Does anyone have the partnr. for the Hummerwheels?
Got some parts saturday, G-parts and the HPI stock car wheels, and the rollbar for the Blackfoot body, still waiting for the rest.
OOOH I can't wait, that Blackfoot body is gonna be a killer looking with some Super never been seen before details.....

[pro-4x4]

Hey tjappie Are these the ones? Rims (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34063&item=5928959058&tc=photo)

[pro-4x4]

Or tires what you want?Tire (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34063&item=5925880916&tc=photo)

[Tjappie]

yeah those are the wheels, I guess 9335205 is the partnr.?
I don't want the tyres, somewhere in this thread I read that they are not so good. I'm gonna put a set of uncut BFG's on the rims.
Another question: If I paint a ABS body flat black, and don't like it spray some coats of shiny black over the flat?

[Tjappie]

yeah those are the wheels, I guess 9335205 is the partnr.?
I don't want the tyres, somewhere in this thread I read that they are not so good. I'm gonna put a set of uncut BFG's on the rims.
Another question: If I paint a ABS body flat black, and don't like can I spray some coats of shiny black over the flat?

[josh222]

put clear coat on it, ya those tires arn't self clearing design

[egdinger]

I suppose you could paint over the paint on there, you can also strip the body with brake fluid.

Any body have a link to a page where someone shows how to 4 link the pajero. I lost one of the screws holding the shocks on today, not quite sure how it managed that, figured it was a good as of an excuse as any to four link.

[pro-4x4]

Hi egdinger Go to page 26 on this forum and it's about the fifth reply down from mr_pushrod. His link to zillion's :D guide is the best. Have a look.

[pro-4x4]

Well have the body mounted, Drive shaft made and links all in. I can raise the body 10mm with the front and rear mounts so I can use more wheel travel as were it is now it is limited but looks more real I think. At the moment I have the standard Pajero shocks in, have some new ones to put in. I also have some new rims and tires coming. Here's some photo's.

[pro-4x4]

It's a shame I can't use all that travel!! Could if I cut the wheel arche's. Also have made a light kit with brake light fuction. Still have a lot to do to the body! the rear tray, This if works should look ok, but will need so time to get a good finish, little surprise for you all, and me :rolleyes:

[pro-4x4]

Last one! might not mount the shocks on the arms :confused: They are there to make it easier to set up.

[mr_pushrod]

Looking good! Curious about this surprise......

[Tjappie]

Hey guys, how about these tires?
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGYP3&P=0

Or maybe a narrowed set of these:
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXGM43&P=Z

I really like the design on that Zephyr car.
And I like your car to Pro4x4 :D

[pro-4x4]

Well not sure if it's a surprise as much as something a little different? I have not seen one done yet,......... maybe because it doesn't look right? Well have to see when my other parts arrive. As you build things up you can see the finsihed product in your head and hope it turns like that!?.............we'll see.

[pro-4x4]

Do you want these to go on your Hummer tjappie? ;)

[josh222]

that is really nice Pro4x4

[pro-4x4]

Ignore my last remark tjappie!........... Slow ah!

[pro-4x4]

Thanks Josh...Still some work to go, Masked the grille today for painting. and rear bumper. It will be a while before I paint the body as so work still has to be done to the rear tray. Hope I get it right otherwise it will useless if you want it to look good.

[josh222]

are you gona cut the rear inner fender ti get more travel?

[Prelude14WRX]

hello all, ive admired this car since it came out and i think i can finally get it this christmas. I just have to pay for some of it(half of it.. :cool: ). I have a question: Is this going to peform good off-road; stock? Im not new to electric at all and Ive read about the hop-ups. so....is it good? :confused: thanks for the help ;)

[Combatcm]

Well, as a racer, it has a lot to be desired. At high speeds, since the entire rear axle leans, the car will roll, as opposed to one side compressing on an independent rear. This will make the car roll at high speeds, or even low speeds while accerating because the car veers while acceleration because of the enormous torque steer.

Every speed realated issue aside, the car can get to places more easily than other cars. In stock trim with the stock tires it will get stuck easily without a locked diff(s). The tires are not that aggressive and better suited for long lasting touring tires rather than off road tires. But what they do give is a scale feel of the car, some people enjoy the challenge of running through stuff and using skill to get themselves out, rather than lifting the crap out of it then putting some huge truck tires on it and cheating, like mine.

I solely bought mine because of the look of it, the scale look. I drove it around at relatively slow speeds (anything the 540 would let me) and enjoyed the scale feel of it.

Other random factoids,

A LOCKED front diff will bend the axles if you run it at high speeds, no matter if you turn it or not.

The stock gear set will last the life of YOU, however tamiya pinions will sharpen in about 25 runs. If the car sounds makes sort of a whirring noise in reverse, a different noise while going forward,then its going, and you need some RRP METRIC pinions.

Don't drive it too hard, the front body posts will bust through the front holes and the rear axle link holds will break off the axle piece. It's $17 to replace, but you can CA it. Then again I beat my car insanely and unless you jump it 3 feet high or rolling it down neverending hills on purpose, it wont happen.

[josh222]

I saw a video where the guy drove it of his roof

[littlebuddha]

hey guys, i got my touarag, but it seems to be missing a peice of bushing for the transmission spur gear, part G1 on the instruction. does anyone have this peice lying around? if so please can you mail it to me, i'll pay for shipping/part, its tiny and i dont want to buy the whole gear set for just that one part as the car is virtually new. let me know guys! thanks.

[Prelude14WRX]

thanks for the help combtatcm. I dont mind that its a bad handler or that its slow, i also race and can get the erge to go fast out on my tc3 or my hpi pro. I have another question....SHould i just lock the rear diff? I dont want to mess up the front, but the rear looks solid..Also, whats the easiest way to lock it...I heard about silly puddy..does it work? lol, sorry for all the questions ;)

[trw]

use JBweld to lock it, that or red threadlock, everything else i tried always got eaten up.