Kyosho ultima type R

[bullfrog]

Hey guys this is a thread for the kyosho ultima type R buggy and st. I have mine but i can open it till x mas but i got a p2k2, and a fusion that imma throw in. I got some AE 30 wt shock oil to start off with and tune it from there. Post pic's info and anything you want to about your ultima type R buggy or St. When i open mine ill post info and pics.

[RichieRich]

Bullfrog: Good buy! You may want to replace the stock spur gear. Not that it's bad or anything. It's made from some weird plastic and it will make a lot of gear noise. Here's a pic of my RB Type R.

http://www.mindspring.com/~christianeelin/rccars/ultimarb.jpg

[bullfrog]

hey man nice buggy! I cant wait till i can rip open my truck and build it!

[Jwelch]

Tip- Buy extra front body towers!! They break like mad. Also, lube the shock cartirdge when u build the shocks.

Peace!
-John

[bullfrog]

The front body mounts break allot?? hmmm ill talk to the guy at the LHS and see if he can order me a few of them ... any other weak points? O and do u know if any companys make hop up parts besides trinity?? thanks

[bjr25]

Make sure when you build it, to replace the rear suspension mount screws with flathead machine screws, as the back out almost every run. This will cut it down to tightening them every other run.

[bullfrog]

only 2 weeks left .... i cant wait!!!!! :D :D :D Hey man thanks for the tip! Ill make a trip to the hardware store x mas day. ( when i build it)

[RCtinkerman]

The front body tower on mine broke as well, but it was a full speed direct collision into a wall with my buddy driving. It hasn't broken since. My buddy hasn't driven it since either:) You'll love it their nice rides. Nothings better than buggies and Monster trucks:D

[ChumsGum]

Tower now has the Type R Ultimas at the low, low prices of $120+ for the ST and $130+ for the RB.

[bullfrog]

i cant wait .... JUST NINE DAYS!

[bullfrog]

Sorry ive been too lazy to post here or take pics but here is a pic of mine. I love the thing and it handels really well. It takes jump very well if you leave a bit of trigger. Well here is the pic ... O i almost forgot to say that my stampede bottoms out before this one does!!!! I LOVE IT! :) O to make the pic look better maximize it. http://www.printroom.com/_vti_bin/ViewImage.dll?userid=mrfrogger25&album_id=45829&image_id=0&courtesy=1

[Jason C]

I'm seriously considering buying one too. WHat is the part# of the front body tower? What are some other weak parts in the buggy? Also, what is a good gearing set up for a P2K2? Since RichieRich mentioned the spur makes noise, what aftermarket spur/pinion combo is recommended?

There is almost no parts support for it at my local track so I want to be sure to include whatever may be a weak link so I won't have to sit out if I break something.

Sorry about all the questions. This will be my first buggy ever.


Thanks!

[bullfrog]

so fa i have broke nothing and there is no gear noise that i can hear. So all you really need to buy is just the kit. The p2k2 goes good with the stock gearing. It has good top speed and good accel.

[Jason C]

That's good to hear, Bullfrog. I may just order a few extra front shock towers as I'll probably overcook a few jumps and land it upside-down more than once.

My local track has a very hard packed clay-like surface. How well do the kit tires perform on surfaces like these?

Does the body fit tightly over the chassis? I'll probably run it in the snow too since a good protion of the year is spent with snow on the ground where I live.


Thanks again!

[bullfrog]

yea the stock tires will be good ( pro line bowties m2 compound and edge fronts.) So youll be good for tires. and the body hugs the chassis. But i was fooking around in some tanbark like spinning doughnuts n stuff and when i was done i was suprised at how LITTLE of the stuff got in the chassis. HAVE FUN!

[TUCRACEMAN]

Jason, the stock spur and pinion makes loads of noise. Rich and I hate noise. Rich replaced the stock spur with a stock associated spur. 81 teeth I believe. Also the pinion is not that great so we both replaced the stock with Robinson’s.
~Dave

[RichieRich]

I replaced the spur because I thought it was noisy compared to my B3. I actually still use the stock 22 tooth pinion when I run a P2K. If I use a modified I drop to a 19 tooth. The plastic used to make the stock spur gear seemed a little brittle too.

[Jason C]

So you use an 81 tooth Assoc. spur with a 22 tooth pinion for a P2K? Thanks for helping me, guys.

[RichieRich]

Yeah, I use a 22 pinion and 81 spur for my P2K.

[Slick048]

Just bought mine at tower hobbies, should arrive friday, got silicone shock oil 550 with it, any tips for building the kit?

[Slick048]

oh yea, i fogot to ask, where can i get some hop ups for the buggy, who makes them?

[speedydave]

Bullfrog, what did that noise from the tranny turn out to be? How you buys like your Ultimas? I kinda like driving stock buggy with my B3, but its getting old. I doubt I'll get a new buggy any time soon, and by the time I do, the B4 will be out(yeah, I wish; I'm an AE guy). I was curious, do the shocks come as shock KITS? I really like the shocks on these cars, Bullfrog's looked, and felt, really smooth. I was thinking about trying to adapt them to my T3, and possibly B3(but right now it has no electronics...). Thanks.

[RichieRich]

There aren't many hop-ups for the Ultima. As far as I know, there's really only a graphite chassis, hardened hinge pins and a 5 degree front hub. They're all made by Kyosho. If you want titanium turnbuckles, you'll have to purchase them separately. I believe you'll need four 1 5/8 in. and and two 2 in. turnbuckles.

[speedydave]

Could any of you guys let me know how the ultima's(electric) handle compared to the AE and losi electrics(mainly AE, because I have some). Thanks.

[RichieRich]

Speedydave - I have a B3 Team and I think the Ultima handles just as well. I think it has a little more off power steering, though.

[TUCRACEMAN]

If you ask me...I think it's a little smoother than the B3.
~Dave

[bullfrog]

DAVE- you mean when i landed on the spine of the triple? lol my motor moved when i hit and that made my mesh SUPER tight. That was the sound. Lol you should have seen dave..... he spent like a minute just pushing down on the shocks. O and i can drop my ultima from about 3 feet and the shocks dont bottom out. Im running 35 wt front and rear and 2 hole pistons. But when i was at the track my oil needed to be replaced so the shocks werent as smooth.

[TUCRACEMAN]

There's my Ultima. Someday I think that I should sit down and put some decals on it.
~Dave

[RichieRich]

Hey! That paint job looks just like mine except for the red. What's up with that Dave? ;)

[TUCRACEMAN]

Someone else masked it. I guess that's what's up with it.
~Dave

[pudder]

I don;t have any Kyoshos, I just got bored and decided to come here. Well that "weird noise" is probably indicating that your pinion/spur mesh is too tight and you need to loosen it up.

If you don't know this trick already, take a peice of paper, slide your motor away from the spur, and insert the paper between the pinion and the spur. Now push your motor up to the spur so that the pinion and spur mesh with the paper in between, now, take your screwdriver/hex wrench, and tighten the motor mounting screws/hex's. Now take the paper out and you should have perfect mesh.

-mike

[TUCRACEMAN]

Originally posted by bullfrog
DAVE- you mean when i landed on the spine of the triple? lol my motor moved when i hit and that made my mesh SUPER tight.

I think that he figured that out.
~Dave

[pudder]

Yes, but I was also suggesting a tip.

-mike

[bullfrog]

Yea i know about that little trick .... but i never use it. I can set a mesh by just eyeballing it. I havent gotten around to racing my ultima because its been raining...... grr.

[pudder]

I could probably do that too but am too lazy.

-mike

[Scrad]

If you guys are looking for Ultima hop ups, go to the Ultima GP Type R forum. We have a few hop ups listed for the truck version, but some might work on the buggy too.

[Jason C]

Hey, guys. I just got a confirmation from Towerhobbies that my Ultima RB Type R has been shipped! I ordered some spare arms and front shock towers as well as the Associated Spur gear and RRP pinion.
Can some of you folks give me some building tips? I'm primarily a touring car guy so I don't have any experience with 2wd buggies. I also heard the manual does not provide any set up info so any tips from you guys would be much appreciated!

Thanks.:)

[pudder]

I don't know any tips, but you could just start with neutral settings and go from there. I have my Evader, still basicly stock setup, going strong.

-mike

[RCtinkerman]

When you setup the pinion and spur gears use the paper in between trick, it really works. I had some noise with mine before I set it up that way. A lot of parts from the B3 will fit the Type R, gears, wheels, etc. I often wondered why the buggy didn't do better in racing against a B3 and Triple X. It's really a solid car. make sure you bearing everything out. You'll have a lot of fun with is buggy:D

[pudder]

I think I'm going to be getting a Kyosho Outrage. My friend is getting out of rc and selling his stuff and he has a old POS kyosho Outrage that I want to restore. I will probably be getting lots of things new for it. I want to turn it into a buggy, highly doubt for racing though.

-mike

[RichieRich]

Jason C - Don't forget to get shock oil as the kit does not come with any. Also, to make assembly easier, you'll want to use a #2 phillips screwdriver. 99% of the screws in the kit are that size. As for set up, I've set my RB the same as my B3. I can't remember now exactly what the settings are (at work) but I can find out later.

[Jason C]

Thanks, guys. Keep them coming!

[RCtinkerman]

Here's mine:D

[RichieRich]

Nice buggy!

[speedydave]

Bull, I gotta say, the shocks are sweet! And they are super smooth. BTW, the whole reason the arena is there is so you can race while its raining...duh:D

Edit: Oh cool! I broke 200! lol

[TUCRACEMAN]

Yeah...hella nice.

[TUCRACEMAN]

Just got my decals on. Only took me seven months!

[RichieRich]

Finally, Dave. Now you just need to paint the wing and open up that intake. :) Looks great!!!

[pudder]

Nice buggies. I just got a Kyosho Outrage last Sunday. Ahhh.... memories.

-mike

[PtCruiser2003]

I got an electric st but its not the r version. I was wondering if there were any hop up parts from the r version to add to my sport version.

[Myrddin]

You can buy some carbon fiber front and rear shock towers for the Ultima gas or electric trucks at

http://www.jamminproducts.com/kyosho.htm

No help for buggies apparently at the site. Being an RC newbie, I'm also not sure how much better, if at all, these towers are from the out-of-the-box ones.

Jim

[TUCRACEMAN]

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p.pgm?Q=1&I=LXUZ01&P=7
Graphite Chassis


I'm sure there's more somewhere.

BTW, I took my Ultima out to the track on Sunday and Wow! It's the first time I have ever been on a track with it and the drive was just flawless.
~Dave

[PtCruiser2003]

Originally posted by PtCruiser2003
I got an electric st but its not the r version. I was wondering if there were any hop up parts from the r version to add to my sport version.

My ultima has:
novak fusion esc
new proline tires
15T motor
3 batteries (1400,1900, 3000)
stock everything else

i want to have a gas car but i dont have the money as of yet.

Plus amyone got any body ideas.

[RichieRich]

Tell them about the motor Dave.

[TUCRACEMAN]

I was beating everyone with a old B&R sportsman modified. Oooh Yeah!
~Dave

[pudder]

Pro-Line probably has the best looking bodies for ST's out now.

I like the Dodge Ram, the Chevy and Ford are nice too.

-mike

[Myrddin]

Finally got my old man's digital camera and snapped off a couple pics. Paid someone locally to paint the body. Decided nice and bright would help keeping track of it during races and in packs, I didn't see anyone else using flourescent yellow.

Using a P2k2 motor, HiTec ESC. Wish I had more $$ for batteries, a comm lathe, and the chassis upgrade. But I can do that later.

[Myrddin]

btw I already busted one of the plastic rear suspension mounts so I replaced them both with aluminums.

[TUCRACEMAN]

Hey mom look. It's a flying banana!

Nice drive man. I like the color.

~Dave

[PtCruiser2003]

My trans is gone and i cant get my gear off to get to it. I switched to 15t from the stock 20 and now my trans makes a badd buzzing noise and my st goes no where. i just got the moter and i was just messing around with it for the second time whe it just stoped going. Can anyone help me?

[pudder]

Is your mesh so tight it wont move, it is possible you know, make sure that is fine, and take appart your gearbox if you can, you should be able to easily get it appart. Makse sure nothing is binding, all freely moving, motor is fine, esc ect, stuff like that.

-mike

[Poolboy51]

Is this a good car?

[RichieRich]

It's a great car. Plus, it's only like $132.50 at Tower. You can also save $5 with their current coupon promotion.

[PtCruiser2003]

i found out one of the gears in my gearbox is missing 2 teeth. it cost me 1.09$ to fix it.

[Myrddin]

Aluminum rear suspension mounts. My plastic ones broke first day. True, I hit a exposed edge in a funny way, but the bottom line is that it is a weak spot and likely to break at some point. The aluminums were much more expensive thantheir plastic replacements, but it's good peace of mind.

[PtCruiser2003]

Originally posted by Poolboy51
Is this a good car?

This is a great rugged car or truck whichever you get. I have put my truck through hell in the last 6 months. I have only broken three parts:

1 and 2. Front Shock Tower and front wheel broke when my car got ran over by a Buick
3. a gear in the trans that the guy at my lhs said it was just a bad gear that broke.

It just has been so good as a beginners car. Only bad part is there isnt alot of hop ups for it.I play with it in the snow dirt mud rain whatever.

[RCtinkerman]

Myrddin, really nice looking buggy. Guys this is a sweet buggy after you tune it in. Not too many hop-ups necessary. Just get good electronics:D Open the air duct and cover with a small amount of screen, like the light screen door type.

[PtCruiser2003]

i fixed my car and picked up a 7 cel at the same time. my god is it fast.

[pudder]

If your bashing and just loose like 1 tooth, just keep going till it is screwed over (that one gear) :D

-mike

[RCtinkerman]

Hey guys, if really interested in owning one of these nice buggies, nows the time. Check this out:D

http://www.towerhobbies.com/listings/listinvc.html

[PtCruiser2003]

hey yall i added a set of lights. i am trying to put a pic in.

[PtCruiser2003]

here we go. IT has working brake lights to but i cant get that pic to load.

[pudder]

Awsome, post a pic with the room lights on, I want to see how you rigged that up. :)

-mike

[PtCruiser2003]

i tried but the pic was to big.

[PtCruiser2003]

hey i got the bearing set for my st and i dont know where they all go. I put 4 in the gear box so far. I have 10 left i dont know where they go.

[Slick048]

Bad news i managed to break 2 rc cars in the same hour first the type r buggy, broke the rear shock tower in 4 places still not fixed, second broke my pro 3 lost a wheel and all the parts that hold it to the chassy, found the actual wheel though, its fixed now

[pudder]

Look in the manual. COmpare to the sizes of the bushings, the things you took out, and then put them in, don't use too much preassure on them in installing them as yo ucould damage them. If you need to use a bit or preassure on them, try to apply it around the outter part. There will be 2 in each hub carrier for the rear, 2 for each rim on the front, and should be about 6 for the tranny, after that you shouldn't have any left. Count how many bushings in total you took out, and that is how many bearings you should have to install. I was lucky with that though I could easily install bearings, my Evader comes stock with installed bearings.

-mike

[Jason C]

After a good snowfall, I took my Ultima RB out for a spin. And spin it did - the stock tires don't hook up on snow very well. Something with a more widely spaced, deeper tread might work better. Any suggestions? Thanks.

[pudder]

For a buggy there really is nothing. For trucks you got all your paddles and sand tires. :D Maybe you could take some rear 2.2 truck rims and sand paw tires and gear it down a lot they would work.

-mike

[Jason C]

Truck tires would actually fit on a buggy? Paddles would really get me moving in snow. Can truck tires be trimmed to fit buggy wheels?

[pudder]

The truck tires are bigger thus wouldn't fit anyways on buggy rims. If you bought a pair of cheap rear truck rims, and some Pro_line Sand Paws and just geared down lots, you would fly! Those tires have an insane amount of grip.

-mike

[PtCruiser2003]

i got 6 that are the same i am guessing they are for the hubs and the front. the other 4 are the same i dont know where they go.

[pudder]

Take the whole thing apart and start over, be sure to match the bearings up with the correct bushings for correct placement and then just keep the extras if you have in your toolbox.

-mike

[PtCruiser2003]

i took it apart and put them all in except for 2 of them.

[pudder]

So you are saying that you have all of the bearings in the whole buggy and there are two extra? My advice, keep them in a little pill container or something.

-mike

[PtCruiser2003]

i have the truck but yeah. There are 2 left.

[Bappe]

Here is my Type R...
Love the transmission and the shocks!
This picture is taken just after i built it..
By the way! Have you ever tried Buggy indoors on carpet? Its fun :D
Just fill the shocks with 80wt oil and add 3-5mm spacers in the shocks, std pistons
Losi Green springs at front and red at the rear.
The other settings should be the same as for outdoor racing exept the tires: UFRA Pink Medium (shure 35) in the front and UFRA SE Medium (shure 24 i think) at the rear..
No traction souce on the tires

[PtCruiser2003]

has anyone found any better gearbox gears. I go through them constently. Ive replaced them twice in les thena year. If anyone can tell me where to find the titanium ones. I dont know if they make them. thanks for the help.

[RichieRich]

What on earth are you doing to mess up the gearbox gears? Are you assembling it correctly? I've heard that the R/R titanium top shaft for the B3 may fit the Ultima, but I haven't checked. I may not fit. :D

[Maxium_MT]

Does anybody in here know where to find performance parts for my Ultima Pro?

Thanks

Jake

[PtCruiser2003]

im doing it right. THe guy at my lhs even cheaked it. I have a 15t motor and a 7 cell 2kmah batery. maybe its just to much power for a stock truck. I have doubled the top speed but also doubled repair costs.

[LEADFOOT]

Not a Kyosho guy, but...



If any of you are interested Tower has a Rb type R kit for like $85 in the Dmaged goods section. Says its missing hardware/ gears. Maybe worthwhile for parts or just to replace the missing ones and get a new buggy for cheap!

:D

[PtCruiser2003]

i raced my truck two weeks ago broke the gears again after 2 laps. Thats four times. i bought extras this time so if it breaks in the first race i can race the second one still.

[Jason C]

I took my Ultima RB out to the local track yesterday. It handled very well and jumped pretty level. It took a few botched landings, but nothing broke. For $140, this is the best car I have bought yet.

[gtkx80]

Hi, I am new to this site and just ordered a ultima RB type R and was wondering about how it is going to compare to my Team Losi XXX ... It has been hopped up to Kinwald stage...Just curious and can't wait till Saturday to find out because I am going to race it the same day, and kind'a need to know about how it is going to do...Thanks!

[RichieRich]

gtxk80 - It will do fine. I have an RC10 B3 and the Ultima RB. The Ultima seems to have a little bit better steering in certain situations. (This is with basically the same setup: Shock oil, toe, camber, etc.) Otherwise, it matches up very well with the B3 and XXX. The only modification I would suggest is titanium turnbuckles. I bent the stock ones in an afternoon of pounding a putting green at a golf course. As far as I know, Kyosho does not make a set for the Ultima. I had to piece together a set from Lunsford. I have the measurements someplace if you need them.

[gtkx80]

Hi, I'm sure you'll knew that that the B3 (associated for that matter) buggies were always reall fast and the xxx(losi for that matter) buggies were usually easier to drive and stuff like that...Well is the Ultima RB like a mixture of the two? Like does it have good acceleration? How does the weight comparison compare to the other two?
I usually run Reedy MVP's in my xxx (its hopped up to kinwald), should I still run an MVP or run the P2K2 pro ?
O'yeah, where do you get those sweet stickers that are shown on Kyosho's site? Dises the car have CVD's ?
Thanks ,
Dustin

[Jason C]

The Ultima has universals (not rebuildable like CVDs, but much better than dogbones).

Richie,

Could you post the measurements? I'm going to be racing soon so I will buy some spare parts later in the week. So far, I'm the only guy at my track with the Kyosho (everyone else has either a B3 or XXX).

Also, does anyone know of a good way to keep the wing on? I tend to lose mine after several laps. Perhaps a setscrew?


Thanks.

[RichieRich]

Jason C - According to the instruction manual, the the turnbuckles sizes are as follows: 40mm and 50mm. So, you'll need the following Lunsford sizes: Four 1 5/8 inch and two 2 inch turnbuckles. These translate to roughly 41.3mm and 50.1mm. So, they work great. Hopefully your hobby shop sells the turnbuckles in pairs because Lunsford does not make a prepackaged set.

BTW, I would try a setscrew for the wing.

[RichieRich]

Double post. What's going on with this board?!?!?!

[Jason C]

Thanks, Richie. Will Lunsford Ti hingepins fit as well? I can take the measurements but I just want to be sure the diameters are the same as the stock ones.

[pudder]

They should work. If anything you might need to drill it out a bit if they are too tight.

-mike

[Jason C]

Thanks, Pudder.

I got the setscrew thing to work. Now the wing stays on very well.

[rb type r racer]

:D i just orderd a kyosho ultima rb type r and it wont be here until the 21st i want to see some pics of all of yalls cars with out bodies and can yall give me a good set up fpr the car lik where to put the shock mounts i need to know cuz i am going racing on the 22nd and would like to know the best set up for it i will be using a 13 turn trinity monster of touring motor and a 20 tooth pinion gear plz tell me what a good set up would be

[gtkx80]

Hey guys...Just got my RB in and tried to build it in about 2 1/2 hours so I could race it the same day, but I wound-up missing the first heat, and ran the second, but broke shortly after a large table-top, when my dog-bone popped-out cuz of my shock came apart...After that I jus took all my electronics out and put it in my XXX cuz I didn't have time to make any adjustments, but considering I just threw thing on the track, with no double checking, it ran suprisingly well !!!
For the 45 seconds that it ran, it was very stable and responsive! But when I got hame that night, I totaly rebuilt it (EVERYTHING)! I ran it, and it was AWESOME !!! Very quiet!!! Very Smooth!!! Very fast, and very nimble !!! But there is only one problem...
It make this weird noise that seems to be coming from the bearing area in the rear hubs, or the CVD's ?!?!?!?!
I changed out the stock spur for an Associated, and that fixed a lot of noise, but it still makes that one sound!!! If it helps any, It doesn't make the sound when I remove the wheels or when I loosen them ALOT ?!?!?!
Awesome car, Any help would be very much appreciated!!!
Dustin :cool: :D

[Jason C]

Is it like a clicking sound? Mine does that when cornering and I think it comes from a bit of play in the front axles allowing the wheel to wobble a little.

rb type r,

Here's my set up:

shock oil (f/r): Trinity 25W / Trinity 35W
pistons (f/r): 2C / 2B
shock position (f/r): outside hole / center hole on tower and outside hole on arm
camber link position (f/r): innermost hole on tower / lower center hole on tower and outside hole on hub
front toe-in: neutral
camber (f/r): -2'
battery position: full forward


My setup is similar to Pete V's when he reviewed the Ultima buggy in the December 2000 issue.

[pudder]

Good thing that you went and rebuilt your buggy, you must take time at this stuff so you do it right the first time.

The noise could be of 3 things I can thing of;

1. Gear mesh is off, if you know how, set it properly
2. Ball Diff is too loose, is slipping, usually makes a grinding noise, tighten it if too loose.
3. Axles could be binding, rotate them and listen.

-mike

[RichieRich]

Jason C - I'm not sure if the titanium hinge pins will fit. Let us know if they do.

gtkx80 - I know exactly what the noise is. It's a clicking sound, right? You probably left a bit of flashing on one of the rear hub carriers. If you tighten the rear wheels too tight, it will rub against the reinforcing ribs on the inside of the wheels making a clicking sound. I had the exact same problem. By the way, I hated the stock spur gear. It's made out of a weird plastic that seems to amplify gear noise. I changed the spur to an associated one too.

rb type r racer - There should be a picture of my RB on the earlier pages of this thread.

[gtkx80]

Richie,

Where would the flashing be on the rear hub carriers?

Pudder,

Thanks for the advise, although it didn't solve, "the noise", it did make my tranny smoother! Thanks!

Thanks
Dustin

[RichieRich]

gtkx80 - It's about where the rear upper link attaches to the hub carrier. The flashing should be pointing towards the rear wheels. If there's none there, then you've probably over tightened the wheels. Try loosening them up a little.

[gtkx80]

Richie- Thanx soooo much!!! That was the problem...How did you figure that out?!!?!?!?!

Man, I appreciate it !!! what springs and pistons and weight are you guys running?
Thanks,
Dustin:cool:

[rb type r racer]

hey thanks do all of yall race your buggy i cont wait my friend has a little traxxas bandit and i want to kill him with this buggy bad and can yall give me building tips plz it seems like this thing will be hard to build

$cody$

[rb type r racer]

also do any off yall want to buy stuff i have tons i have a hpi rush with a picco .12 for sale rtr i have tons of motors i have a nova rossi .15 big block i have a sopola .15 big block and all the engines are good so dont worry i have many other cars also like a schumacher sst pro i have a yokomo mr4tc and stuff like that thanks

$cody$

[RichieRich]

gtkx80 - Excellent! Glad I could help. I'm not sure how I figured it out. I think it was because I didn't cut the hub carrier off from the parts tree correctly. So, it was the little bit of flashing that helped me figure it out.

As for the shocks, I'm running the stock pistons and springs with 25wt. up front and 30wt out back. With this setup, the suspension seems to be pretty supple.

[rb type r racer]

so richie rich would my buggy do all right if i use 35wt in every shock with the stock springs and the pistons

[rb type r racer]

plz some oe help me on how to build this thing

[RichieRich]

Dude. Just read the instructions. You'll be okay. :D Anyways, 35 wt. oil would work but it's up to you on how you want your car to handle. Here's the picture of my Ultima without the body as promised. This is my "stock" setup.

[rb type r racer]

hey thanks thats a nice car and do u like thoose motors and are they any good :D

[RichieRich]

The motor in the picture is a Trinity Speedgems Ruby. That's my bashing motor. It works fine. I usually run a Reedy MVP stock motor.

[pudder]

rb type r racer-Just settle down, if you take your time and read the instructions, you will be fine. Do not rush or you will regret it.

-mike

[rb type r racer]

ok thanks

[Jason C]

I suggest you buy some spare parts before you go to your track. Things like suspension arms, hub carriers, and steering knuckles are commonly broken at races. And turnbuckles and hingepins can be bent in a bad crash. Unfortunately, Kyosho parts are harder to find in the US unless you live near a well stocked hobby shop. I ordered a set of spares for my buggy just in case - so far, I have yet to need them...

[pudder]

Usually the track's hobby shop can get in parts very quick. I know mine can get in parts from quite a few companies in about 3 days from ordering.

-mike

[gtkx80]

RB racer- deffenately listen to what they are saying...Don't rush to build ur cr. Just take ur time and it will be well worthit, trust me...I tries to build the car in abot 2 1/2 hours and I got what pt into it...I broke in about 45 seconds into the race!!!

Woud anyone happen to know anything about the Losi Hydradrive? Just wondering if its worth the money... So far so good, I haven't broke anything yet!!!! This is a great car!!!
I was wonderng if al you'll run you'lls transponders on it original placement (above the battery)?

thanks,
Dustin

P.S. If you'll found out anything else new about this already amazing car, do tell, do tell!!!!

[pudder]

My track runs the transponders in the bodies, can you do that at yours?

-mike

[PtCruiser2003]

yeah gt the circut i race they just put the transponder strait in the body. I have a newhole in my body but thisone serves a purpose.

[pudder]

In my opinion, transponders in the bodies are better, especially for trucks because they don't have holders built in with them, the only downside is they highten the center of gravity a bit.

-mike

[Jason C]

I didn't get the Lunsford Hingepins yet. Here's a tuning tip for you guys: HPI rally springs work well as front springs for the Ultima RB. They are a few millimeters shorter, but that can be remedied by additional clips and the HPI springs can be had in soft (red), medium (black), and firm (green) rates. The medium springs are a bit softer than the stock springs.

I ran the HPI springs in front and blue Associated springs in back during a race at my local track. I ended up TQ and took the A-main in Sportsman stock (I was the only buggy in the class, the rest were trucks). This buggy is great!

[pudder]

Good job to show us trucks! I know a few people with Kyosho's and they seem to hold together good.

The part I like about trucks better is that they seem to jump a bit more stable if you hit it wrong.

-mike

[Jason C]

Thanks. It was difficult to pass the trucks as my buggy usually would get pitched aside if it got hit. I had some bad landings (landed right on the pipe once, and got tangled up in a 3 car mid-air, crash), but nothing broke. I think the Kyosho suspension arms are made just right - stiff enough to keep the suspension working properly, but flexible enough to prevent breakage.

I never was too fond of trucks although they are exceptionally tough and fun to drive (I think they are some of the ugliest RC cars around - no offense, just my opinion.).

[pudder]

A bit off topic here but, today when I was racing my T3, I got into a midair crash, it was cool because I just landed about a foot over from where I would have otherwise and kept on going.

-mike

[PtCruiser2003]

1.Are there any other parts that are from other cars that work in the ultima? Ex.. associated shocks for the rear.

2.would a messed up tooth on my diff case tear my other gears to shreads like they have been. Cause i dont know if you guys have been having this problem but ive gone through 4 sets of gears for my gear box. Now one of the teeth on the diff case is gone. ( nothing like opening your gearbox and finding 15 or so plastic chunks)

3. prolines speed hawg II's work pretty well for parking lot racing but does any one have a ballencing trick or something cause with my st i keep sliding the back end out on some turns. Maybe its just driver error i dont know.

[Jason C]

I think the Assoc. shocks will fit fine as well as Losi ones. I really like the Kyosho shocks because they're so versatile. I think RRP makes some alloy gears for the Ultima ST and the RB is pretty much identical to it so I would think tranny parts are interchangeable.
I set my slipper a bit on the loose side to take any strain off the gears. That and I race on dirt so traction lacks a bit which also helps ease tranny strain.


Pudder,

Consider yourself lucky. In my mid-air crash, my buggy landed first followed by a XXX-T and a XXX-T MFE on top of my poor car. My wing wire is still tweaked as is the wing itself. Do you know which Associated wire I should use to replace the wing mount? Thanks.

[pudder]

Sorry Jason, I don't. I am not too knowledgeable about everyting on buggies.

PTCruiser2003-You have the Ultima Sports right? The gears in those gearbox's have a tendency to strip out. If you went out and bought the whole new gearbox gears, differential and whatnot for the type R version, your problem should be fixed. If you don't have a slipper clutch either, it would probably fix your problem to invest in one.

Any buggy shocks should fit these models.

You say that your back end tends to swing out on you... Be sure to take out all of your spring preloads, or atleast most of them so that your vehicle is lowered to the ground, and if your battery is adjustable, but it as far back as possible. Set your shock mounting locations to as low as it will go, but make sure you dont bottom out.

I hope this helps, I know that is what the truck guys here do for carpet racing.

-mike

[PtCruiser2003]

i already have the truck put as low as it can go.

i have been putting my battery a bout one cell ahead of the farthest back. Ill slide that back see how it works.

The gears are their seperate gears for the r version i was under the impression that they were the same part.If you can find a new part # tell me please.

Is there somewhere i can get a slipper other then Robinson racing?


:) thanks guys for the help. :)

[Jason C]

That's okay, Pudder. I can probably ask some of the B3 guys at my track to test fit their wing on my car.

PtCruiser2003,

You have the Sports? The wing is mounted by a mount like the XXX, right? Can it be made to fit the Type R? I really like Ultima, but my only real complaint is the wing mount - if it were just like the XXX's, I'd be one very happy bugy owner.

[PtCruiser2003]

I have the stadium truck and the wing just holds on with two small bolts through a hole in the wing and in the body.

[pudder]

But they are talking about the buggy, entirely different wing mount.

-mike

[customtech]

i love my ultima!!! because its a reasonable price and when your the only one there at the track with an ultima and everyone thinks that rc10's are the best its really fun to beat them:D

[customtech]

does anyone have an setup for a ultima st i have one but i want to see other peoples to make mine the ultimate setup then i'll post it for eveyone!!

[gtkx80]

Sup dudes ?!?!

Well, I have made many modifications to my ultima (RB Type-R) which include front and rear graphite A-arms from the B3 <I know it probably wasn't the right thing to do by combining different companies, but, whatever works yuh know?>, I have cut out the middle of the battery strap (Looks WAY COOL), cut out a lot of the motor guard, moved my transponder holder by the electronics (lowering my CG), cut off the back of the rear bulk head where the transponder would have screwed into.
I also just ordered the lightened top-shaft/gear and the lightened slpper set !!!!
If anyone has already got those two parts, can you please tell me if you could really tell a difference in the acceleration or not, because this weekend is going to be a big race and I just need to know these things before hand, but figured they couldn't hurt, so I got them anyways...
Now, if you get the rear graphite A-arms from the B3, the stock drive shafts aren't long enough (the graphite B3 arms are just a little bit longer), so you ( I ) are/am going to have to get the MIP CVD kit for the B3, but I am not sure if they are going to work or not...now my LHS already had this so I had them hang on to it for me. If anyone has tried to put the IP CVD kit (aluminum is the one I'll be getting) on this car, please tell me if they are going to work or not ?!?!?!?!
Another thing...If you decide to get the graphite arms from the B3, the front set fit PERFECTLY !!! I mean they are just BAM !!! The rear ones are a little long at both ends but can be fixed with spacers (which only makes that much more adjustments to make). The inner hing pins at the rear will work just fine, but the outer (stock) hnge-pins aren't long enough, so you are going to have to get the "rear outer hing-pin set" in order for this to work (they are lighter than stock anyways).
I plan on getting the graphite chasis next, so if anyone has any info on that, do tell, do tell ...
Well, I hoped I helped , and try those cut outs cuz they look AWESOME, and save a lot of weight !!!! I'll try to get some pics so you'll can see what I'm talking about, ok? O'yeah, get those graphite arms cuz they look good, they are about twice the weight of the stock ones and the hardware you'll need to get it to work, is lighter than the stock hardware, and really isn't that axpensive...Its worth the trouble!!!

~*Read ya on the flip side*~

[gtkx80]

hmmmmm?
Does no one ever visit this forum anymore ?
doodadoodadoo

[LokiOs]

I'm still here, but there has not been to much going on lately.
I want to get a lightened top shaft for my ST, where can you get them, and who makes them?

[gtkx80]

Well, my LHS doesn't stock any parts or anything, but they can order them for you if you want them, but you have to ask because the wont get it otherwise...
I'm not sure who else makes the lightened top-shaft/gear other than Kyosho...C, I used to race with a XXX buggy and my good friend had a XXX-T and he didn't have te lightened top-shaft/gear, but when he got it, he said he saw an impressive difference!
So, I got that an the lightened slipper set...
Pretty much the "Rule-of-thumb" is...

...1 lb of kenetic (moving/rotating) weight, is equal to 2 lbs of potential (non-moving) weight...

so...I worry about my parts that move before I worry about graphite stuff etc. etc.

But yeah, jus go to ur LHS and ask them to order, and they should be able to get it...
But if they can't, you'l jus have to order them from Tower...
Have fun !!!!!!!! :cool:

[RichieRich]

Originally posted by gtkx80
hmmmmm?
Does no one ever visit this forum anymore ?
doodadoodadoo

I do. :D

[gtkx80]

YAY!!!!!!!!!!!! Well....start talking (typing)

hmmmmmmm?


yeah, uhhhhh ?!?!?! Kyosho rox ?!?

i dunno ?!? hahaha

[gtkx80]

Hey Rich, u know if the B3 top-shaft/gear will work in te Ultima rb?
I already order the one from Kyosho but, Associated makes a titanium one so...hmmmmm? I wonder ???????

[izzyracer]

Hi Everyone,

I've been visiting this page for the past 3 days now. Me and my friends run Tamiya Touring cars at SoCal Raceway and Tamiya track in Aliso Viejo headquarters. We're interested in getting into the Off-Road seen after feeling some burn out with touring cars. our choices were the Losi and Associated since they seem to be the most popular choice, but after spending some time here and considering the price, it seem more logical for us to get the Kyosho, we're use to being different anyway because we all drive Tamiya's. David Jun a pro Tamiya driver we frequently see got a Factory B3 (mainly because I think he got it for free) but he really likes it very much, I also have seen him do triple jumps with ease. Anyway thank you for all the E-pinions within this forum and I hope they keep on comin.

Two things I want to share:
I saw 2 differently price Graphite chassis that appears to be the same for this car can you help me if they are indeed the same or not?
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?Q=1&I=LXUN75&P=6
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p.pgm?Q=1&I=LXUZ01&P=7
will this parts fit the Typr RB
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?Q=1&I=LXVL57&P=7
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?Q=1&I=LXUN52&P=M

Thanks
Izzyracer
:)

[RichieRich]

gtkx80 - Not sure about the top shaft. It looks like it will fit. You should buy one and let us know. :D

izzyracer - I'm pretty sure the RB and ST use the same chassis so I would think that the cheaper carbon chassis is the same exact thing.

The front chassis plate looks like it will fit. The notes say it will fit the GP and EP Ultimas. Technically the Ultima RB is an EP Ultima. The shock tower looks like it will fit too. Send an e-mail to Kyosho and ask them. Let us know what they say. :)

[RamCharger]

Hey guys can you give me all the aluminum parts that will fit on my ep ultima st racing sports?
and carbon stuff too:D
thanx

[PtCruiser2003]

ram thats what i got. there isnt much but there is a few things from other cars that fit read back in this thread there should be a few ideas.

[gtkx80]

Hey, do any of you guys know if the Associated top gear will fit in the ultima RB type R tranny ? I know they are the same length and have the same pitch and the same hole in them....so i figure they will fit, but to chicken to try it!!!!
The reason I ask is coz they (Associated) makes a Titanium one that repaces the stock on...
Man!!!! That would be soooo sweet!
Write baq!

[LokiOs]

I was also wondering about a light weight top shaft, but for the Ultima ST. Someone just a few days ago was talking about one, but I don't know weather it was the one for the associated, or what? If someone knows please let me know, because as gtkx80 so eloquintly put it,
"Man!!!! That would be soooo sweet!"
Thanks...

[pudder]

I think that topshaft should fit, I could ask come locals and get back to you's. One way that you could see is to find the topshaft bearing sizes, and if they are the same, it will fit.

-mike

[gtkx80]

ok, pudder, sounds good!!!!!!!
Please ask them, becasue that titanium top-shaft would be way too cool !!!!! Their isn't anyone around localy that has a ultima RB type R...I'm the only one, and they always wonder what it is, and how smooth it looks!!!!!
Thanks,
Dustin

[gtkx80]

Does anyone have the graphite chasis for this buggy ? I really want it, but some locals said, "...don't get graphite!" I really want this though...if anyone has this ugrade for your buggy or truck, please tell me what you think about it!

Also...everyone list everything you have done to your truck or buggy since you've had it!!!

Dustin

[PtCruiser2003]

MY Kyosho st mods:

1. novak fusion esc
2. 15T motor
3. Gem light set (look for pictures in one of the threads)
4. proline speed hawg tires complete with foams
5. bearing set installed
6. top shelf trimmed (no need for a servo holder)
7. 7 cell 2400 battery

[nIkKo]

How durable is this thing( the buggy)?

[gtkx80]

Itis VERY durable! I would recomend this buggy to everyone wanting a fast, but controlable buggy! Once you get the shock setup right, u'll be unstopable! That is also once ur driving abilities improve!

Write baq dudes!

[PtCruiser2003]

Thats right gtx. I have the truck not the buggy but i still like it. As for duriblity this truck was my first ''hobby'' RC. great for begginners and good enough to make A mains. I have the suspension set just right to the way i drive. The only problem i have come up with is part availiblity. My lhs doesnt sell Kyoshos except for the mini. I have to order parts through my lhs from Great planes. All in all its a good car.

[RichieRich]

Did you guys find out yet if the RRP top shaft fits the ultima?

[gtkx80]

nope not yet...

[LokiOs]

I am lucky enough to own both the Kyosho Ultima st, and an Associated T3. I took the tranny out of the T3, took the RRP titanium top shaft out, and tried to put it into the Kyosho. Guess what? It was NO go. The bearings are a little larger in the Kyosho, but the biggest problem is the pin on the associated is set back further on the shaft then on the Kyosho. Maybe if you were to cut away part of the tranny case, and do some modifications, you may be able to work something out, but it is not a direct replacement! :(

I guess we are back to square one on the lightweight top shaft deal, unless someone knows of a direct replacement for ther Kyosho one?

[RichieRich]

LokiOs - Thanks for letting us know. Must have been a pain to disassemble two transmissions. :)

[LokiOs]

Not to bad, but if it would have worked! I have the RRP titanium top shaft, and the light weight blue slippr set on the T3, so it would have been a cool to get that on the good truck (the Kyosho).
Since I have had the Kyosho, I have raced 7 times, I have 5 seconds and a first (one race we will not talk about...). I have improved my lap times by more then a second. I am extremly happy with the Kyosho, I actually feel competitive again!

[EnVuS]

Hey LosiO I see your from Sac too, have you ever frequented Capital RC one of the best offroad indoor tracks in the US. It's Matt Francis "home tack" too a lto of big namers pop in and tq everyonce in a while...

[LokiOs]

That is also my "home" track. I usually race on Fridays, and sometimes Sundays. I run pro-stock truck. Cap City has there big race coming up on the 10th and 11th of August, are you going to that? It should be fun. As for Matt Francis and the rest of those big names, they are definitly in a different leagun then I am. I have raced against them several times, and I am just in there way.
This race coming up should be fun though. If anybody else lives in or around the Sacramento area, I urge you to check it out. It's at the Capitol City Raceway (formerly Hobby Warehouse), it's on August 10th and 11th, 3 qualifiers on Saturday, 1 qualifier on Sunday, then triple A mains for all classes (except novice). There will be ton's of prizes, and giveaways, it will be fun!
Maybe someone else will show up that runs a Kyosho? so far I have been the only one, even though I have been represntin' pretty well, it would be nice to see some more of us? In case anyone shows up and wonders who I am, I run the Chrome, with purple flames truck. I am always happy to talk to anyone, so come by and say "HI".

[Ultima RB TypeR]

Here is mine. I am a first timer here and in the RC world. I have made a few mods, and found that there are a lot of parts from the B3 that fit. I have just screwed up my motor and I am not sure what to do. I have a Reedy 10T quint. and was running it in a sandy type place and well, it got dirty so I used a carb cleaner to clean it out. It wants to run but wont, maybe I should just let it dry out?
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid25/p8a62bb57c23f46671cc95d3e5bac13f7/fd887688.jpg.orig.jpg

[pudder]

That is a really nice picture, I think you should send it into rcca for readers rides. Oh BTW the T3/B3 front skid will fit on your cars too, I just forget how good but I know they fit.

[Ultima RB TypeR]

I am looking for a Metal type Spur Gear. Can anyone help?

[Ultima RB TypeR]

Originally posted by PtCruiser2003
My trans is gone and i cant get my gear off to get to it. I switched to 15t from the stock 20 and now my trans makes a badd buzzing noise and my st goes no where. i just got the moter and i was just messing around with it for the second time whe it just stoped going. Can anyone help me?

Check the Differential, I had that problem once

[Ultima RB TypeR]

3. prolines speed hawg II's work pretty well for parking lot racing but does any one have a ballencing trick or something cause with my st i keep sliding the back end out on some turns. Maybe its just driver error i dont know.


-PtCruiser2003
[/COLOR] [/B][/QUOTE]
Those Dirt Hawgs kinda suck. I had them and threw them away. they are too soft and they are made very poorly. Put them on your rear wheels, hold up the back end and give it full throttle, watch them expand by holding the car in front of a light source. You will see them float to the left and right on their own. It is a sign of poor craftmanship! The rubber is not balanced properly.

[pudder]

Did I tell you to get dirt Hawgs? I don't remember that. What does that have to do with that post anyways, I don't race with dirt hawgs?!

[Ultima RB TypeR]

Originally posted by gtkx80
Hey, do any of you guys know if the Associated top gear will fit in the ultima RB type R tranny ? I know they are the same length and have the same pitch and the same hole in them....so i figure they will fit, but to chicken to try it!!!!
The reason I ask is coz they (Associated) makes a Titanium one that repaces the stock on...
Man!!!! That would be soooo sweet!
Write baq!
I bought one, but I am waiting for it to arrive. When it gets here I will post. I bought a few other things as well, the lightned slipper (Blue) and some titanium stuff.

[Ultima RB TypeR]

Dude, my bag...I clicked on the wrong "quote" box....

[PtCruiser2003]

Originally posted by Ultima RB TypeR


Check the Differential, I had that problem once

Yeah i just said screw it and i took it to my LHS and they ordered the parts. They schould get it back to me so i can race on saturday.

[pudder]

Sorry about getting back to you all late but I asked a buddy of mine at racing today if the topshaft for the t3/b3 will fit and he said "NO, not many parts are interchangeable"

[TUCRACEMAN]

Ya'll are trying to put a lot of hop ups into your cars. Now, you do know that this car will beat a B3 or a XXX with no hop-ups?
~Dave

[LokiOs]

I know first hand that this car can beat a T3 or XXXt, I have done it, on MANY occasions. I switched from my T3 to my Ultima ST, and my lap times IMPROVED by at least a second a lap. As for the hopping up part, it is always fun to hop up your car (or truck) as much as possible, even if it doesnt need it. That half the fun of owning RC cars!

[pudder]

That is exactly the point of it. "Who can have the sexiest car"

[Ultima RB TypeR]

I got the turnbuckles yesterday from team associated, they fit fine in the stock ball caps.

[Ultima RB TypeR]

NE1 know where to buy metal spur gears? Or is that overkill?

[RichieRich]

A metal spur gear is definitely overkill. Besides, I don't think anyone makes any that fit the Ultima. Metal spurs are used mainly for .21 nitro racing buggies where strength is needed.

[pudder]

If yo uare stripping plastic spurs, you are doing something wrong.

[Ultima RB TypeR]

No problems with the gears, I was just curious. I figured it would be the strongest alternative, I get sand in my gears and it messes them up from time to time.

[pudder]

Maybe you shouldn't run in sand :p or clean your gears out more often. One thing you could do is find some foam stuff, it is like one sided servo tape, so it is just foam on one side, and put it around your gear cover on the motor plate, that would probably prevent all sand from getting in there. I don't know where you can get the stuff, but I know it comes with the T3, not for the gear cover, but you could cut it up to custom fit if you want I could get you the part numbers for some of that stuff.

[Ultima RB TypeR]

Thats a good idea, I could use the foam double sided tape. But one run is all it takes to get the sand in your ****.

[pudder]

True, I forgot to look for the parts numbers for those things yesterday when I was at the track, I could check with someone if I get the time.

[TUCRACEMAN]

Sexiest cars, eh??? Yikes...
~Dave

[PtCruiser2003]

Originally posted by pudder
If yo uare stripping plastic spurs, you are doing something wrong.

i have striped out my entire trans 4 times.:confused:

[pudder]

Are you running the Sports version? I know that one doesn't have a slipper, you should either upgrade to a slipper, or upgrade to the Type R gearbox. I knew someone who raced with a Sports version and he stripped his out 2 or 3 times, pretty weak I must say since his motor wasn't great at all.

[izzyracer]

Hey guys, I just finish my Ultima Typr RB and will be going to SoCal Tomorrow to try it out. I have a 25 front 35 rear setup on my shocks with the stock springs, I don't know yet if this will work well. I also experienced the stock spur and pinion no tmesing well, should I ckange just the pinion or the just the spur or both??? and what is a good teeth numger on spur on pinion? Tell me what worked for you guys, what are your setups!
I'll be posting my pictures this evening...Take care!

[LokiOs]

You know it is really hard to find set ups for the Kyosho line of vehicles, how about if, when everyone gets a chance, we post up what set up we are running. Also post what type of condition you are running it in, and the mods that are on the vehicle. That way we can all maybe see what other's are having success with.

Here's mine:

Kyosho Ultima ST type R. Graphite Front and Rear shock towers (stays).
87 tooth kimbrough spur, 19 tooth pinion, P2K2 stocker.
35 weight oil all around, Schumacher white springs (cut down), in the front (1.5 weight, a trick I learned from a Team Associated driver), Yellow Losi Springs in back.
-3 deg rear camber, -1 deg front camber.
Treadz or Hole shot tires in the rear, Blade tires in the front.
I have the top of the front shocks all the way inside, the bottoms are in the middle. The top of the rear shocks are in the middle, the bottoms are on the outside.
I am using a Teking G12 c3, a Tekin micro FM receiver. Airtronics 156 servo, Reedy world spec 3000's.
The track is hard packed, but dusty. I am consistantly running first or second, every time out. I use this set up all the time, the only adjustment I do are maybe lowering the rear ride height to gain a little rear traction (if the track does not get swept befor a heat), or I gear up one tooth on the pinion, thats it!

[PtCruiser2003]

Originally posted by pudder
you should either upgrade to a slipper, or upgrade to the Type R gearbox.

Can i switch the entire thing over. My lhs said Kyosho discotinued the st sports i doint know if the type R is gone to. If so how long will the type R version hold with a 15 T motor

[izzyracer]

Ok, my picture is late as promise but here it is!

[pudder]

I don't see anything dude.

[izzyracer]

I've been trying to send a 84k jpg image and it says its to big...what gives?????

[izzyracer]

Ive been trying to upload this picture for a long time!

[pudder]

I believe that the limit for pictures is 61k

I just use the image code and take the pics straight off my website.

[izzyracer]

I was at SoCal last tuesday to give this car a run and I am very please to announce that this care is great! I had 3 battery runs and has abused the car in different ways and nothing broke. The stock set up was also very good, a little understeer and can be nose heavy at times but that could be adjusted on your set-up & driving style. I will be pitting this car tomorrow with the Losi's and RC10's and I'll give a report after. I'm in the middle of upgrading my computer system so it will take a while for my report back!

Take care!:D

[pudder]

They kyosho is not much different from the ass. cars but I have been told the ass. cars are better for mod, Losi I dont care, they are just there.

[RichieRich]

Originally posted by pudder
They kyosho is not much different from the ass. cars but I have been told the ass. cars are better for mod, Losi I dont care, they are just there.

Ass cars?

[pudder]

No oyu see I put ass-then a period, abbreviation for Team Associated or Team Ass. ;)

[LokiOs]

I just finished running the 1st annual Capitol City Classic. It was at Capitol City Raceway (formerly Hobby Warehouse). I ran Stock Truck, out of 5 rounds of qualifying I TQ'd! and in the triple "A" mains I ended up second. I was the ONLY Kyosho vehicle of any type, so I did my best to uphold the honor!

[izzyracer]

My first race yesterday with the Ultima Typr RB, I did 2nd, A-main novice. I stayed with the stock settings until the final. I changed my camber position and added -2 degrees adn placed a negative degree of toe-in in each wheel. I felt I lost a little bit of steering and a little squiky on the straight. Other than that the car again hold up real well and has not broke anything yet despite the abuse. People were asking about the car since it's the only ultima on the block and they were pretty surprise hoe it handled.

Thanks everyone for a cool forum, keep it up!

[LokiOs]

Congrats!

[crashnrun]

Any of you guys have problems with slop in the parts. I am having a problem with the front hinge pin brace especially. I race every fri night and do really well, but I am constantly having to rebuild the front end to eliminate slop.

[RichieRich]

I haven't had a problem with front end slop. What are you doing to fix it? A rebuild with new parts? I have noticed some steering slop. I eliminated that by adding bearings to the steering bellcranks.

[crashnrun]

The holes in the front hinge pin brace are larger than they need to be to begin with and they wear faster than they should. Also the tolerances between the bulkhead and the suspension arms is a little sloppy and only gets worse as you run it more. I have used shimms and such to get rid of most of it, but I was just wondering if anyone else had the same problems. By the way I am referring to the Buggy version.

[Ultima RB TypeR]

Just got back from a LFTX and found some package notices in my box. Got in my slipper clutch and aluminum rear a-arm mounts. Too bad I have to wait til monday for the mail clerk :(

[gtkx80]

okay, I'm wondering if anyone would be interested in tradeing their Kyosho Ultima RB for a AWESOME MFE ? It would just be a roller for roller trade...and I would prefere one with some hop-ups on it...like lightened slipper set, or top-shaft, or some extra cash or something...I have had one of these before, as you can probably tell by my name in he past posts, and I really enjoyed the fact that no one else had one, and they are suprisingly fast !!! The truck class is getting kind of short also !!! :(

Losidude01@aol.om

[LokiOs]

Do any of you frequent EBay by any chance? I ran across a killer deal. I found someone selling a Kyosho Ultima st type R, and he said it was just missing the top shaft. I put a bid up of $25 with 2 days to go, and guess what? It won! I got the Truck and it is in KILLER shape! The chassis is clean, theere was no servo tape residue to be seen. It even came with a mod motor that I did not know about! I went to my LHS bought a top shafe for $9 (and of course a couple of other things while I was there), and now I have a complete, almost brand new truck that I only paid $25 for!
EBAY is so cool!

[TUCRACEMAN]

Who loves their Ultima?
*raises hand*

[LokiOs]

OK here's the deal. What do I need to do to convert a complete tranny / diff unti from an EP to a GP? I need a complete tranny unit for a nitro sprint car, and I have a spare kyosho ultima st type r, I want to know what I need to do convert it over? Thanks for any and all help.

[RichieRich]

Originally posted by TUCRACEMAN
Who loves their Ultima?
*raises hand*

I do.

[TUCRACEMAN]

Good Rich. I'm glad someone does.

[LokiOs]

Well this board has been dead for a while! I have been running my Ultima ST faithfully every week, and Consistantly placing in the top three in the pro stock class. How is everyone else doing? Lets hear some stories of your kyosho racing experience's?

[TUCRACEMAN]

Have ya'll seen the New Kyosho Ultima RB Type R Evolution. It is freaking Niceeee!
~Dave

[LokiOs]

Has it been released yet?

[aeb3man_44]

here's the Japanese Kyoshso website that has pics of it

http://www.kyosho.co.jp/rc_model/buggy/ultima/ep_ultima_rb_evo/ep_ultima_rb_evo-j.html

[RichieRich]

I like it. Looks nice. It's like a Factory Team Ultima. :)

[TUCRACEMAN]

BTW, that Lazer Evo is looking mighty tasty.
I wonder if it is based on the KX-One.
~Dave

[mooplea]

The lazer photo is only tiny but its clearly the good old optima mid layout again.. 1988 here we come!..

jimy

[TUCRACEMAN]

Save the picture to you desktop. It will be much bigger. You'll see it's just not a old Optima.

[LEADFOOT]

BTW, that Lazer Evo is looking mighty tasty

:rolleyes: ...but what are the odds of anyone runnin' one?

[RichieRich]

Originally posted by LEADFOOT
:rolleyes: ...but what are the odds of anyone runnin' one?

Who cares if anyone else runs one. Ever heard of being an individual and not following the brainless masses? I'd try the car out if it's not priced to the moon.

[TUCRACEMAN]

Could not have said it better myself Rich.
~Dave

[Cav_Scout]

I think I picked mine up for like $99 or something like that. After a few cheap upgrades to the rear suspension I couldn't be happier with this thing. I see now it's like $250 bucks? That's alot of money. I'm not going to argue value here, just say that I have one and love racing with it. It's also fun to have other racers at the tracks I race at come peek at it after the races. You;d be suprised how many people have never seen one "in person". LOL.
I've been racing since 1985 and have owned just about every "pro" level 2wd racer ever produced. This is one of the finest ever along with the B3 and Losi. They do get better and better as the years go on. All you youngens should realize how good you've got it as far as R/C is concerned. I remember when the ESC first came out. I think even the cheapest ones today are better than the premium models from years ago! Well, I'm going to get off my rocking chair and go bust my TXT through the snow!

[TUCRACEMAN]

Okay, I have an Ultima Skit. Two characters are me, David. And the Dumb Guy Behind the Counter.

David: [walks up to the counter] Hi, I need some parts.
DGBC: [Sitting down on the chair after having a loving episode with his fellow coworkers] Uhh, ok. What kind of car.
David: It's an Ultima RB Type R.
DGBC: Ohh, ok. Ummmm. Who makes that car?
David: [With a slight "duh” look on his face] Kyosho.
DGBC: Ohhh, we don't have any of those in stock.
David: I know. That's why I'm asking you, so you can order them.
DGBC: [thinking that he desperately wants out of this situation. He wants to go back to trying to look like a "real" man by touching his coworkers in that "manly" way (you know, it's how they try to impress girls by looking like they are fighting with their friends, but in reality, they are just poking one another).] Well, Uhhh, do you have a part number?
David: Sure...UMW Blah blah blah
DGBC: [Typing] Well, I don't see it here. You sure that's the right part number
David: Yes.
DGBC: Well, I can't find it.
David: Well, maybe you should look a little harder
DGBC: [Looks at me with the "you ahole" face] Let me check the book. [Grabs the book and flips through the pages] I still don't see it in here.
David: Well you're looking at parts for an Inferno 15. I have an Ultima.
[Then up to the counter comes Adam, the owner]
Adam: What's up?
DGBC: I can't find UMW blah blah blah
Adam: Well you're looking at the 1999 catalog. [Looks at me] What do you want?
David: UMW blah blah blah
Adam: [writing it down on a piece of paper] Okay, we should have that in about four days.
David: Umm, ok...Thanks


~Dave

[RichieRich]

Usually all I get from the guy behind the counter is a couple of "duhs".

[Shonuff]

allright guys,

im thinking of getting an ultima st ep. i was looking on the kyosho website and saw alot of adjustments that i can do to the truck that i cannot do with my t3. adjumtments that would work great at the tracks i race at. The only problem is that it is kyosho, meaning no shops near me have any parts support in stock. My question is, on the st type r, what are the most common breaks to the truck so i know what to buy extras of??

thanks in advance
Jady

[TUCRACEMAN]

Whatever breaks the most on your T3 will be the same parts that break the most on your ST.
~Dave

[Shonuff]

well darnit, i havnt broke my t3 in a year (knock on wood)

its just as durable as the t3........sweet

from what i have gathered on this forum, the t3 topshaft wont fit, but the robinson racing slipper clutch will??

have any of you guys who race switched from the associated truck to the kyosho? if so, what learning curves were there. also, what springs are you using, do the associated springs fit?

[TUCRACEMAN]

If I were you, I would just get a bunch of front suspension parts. That's what I do. Cuz you never know when you're going to clip a pipe or do something stupid. No, the T3 top shaft will not fit; but, they make a lightened topshaft. And Yes, RRP makes a lightened slipper for the Ultima...or at least they used to.
~Dave

[LokiOs]

I want to mount some sway bars on my Ultima st r. Does Kyosho make a kit, or has anybody else adapted some from a different manufacturer to the st?

[RichieRich]

I don't think Kyosho makes a sway bar kit. You could probably rig something up but it may be more pain than it's worth.

[LokiOs]

Thats sort of what I was thinking also.
Has anyone had a problem with there ST "slowing" down? Lately me truck has been very sluggish. I just got new batteries, a new Core stock motor, rebuilt everything, and it still feels very sluggish? I also checked all the bearings and they are all free and non binding. If anyone else has had any sort of similer problems, please let me know. This is really getting me down!
P.S. My gearing is right in the ballpark as everyone at the track, and I have moved 1 tooth up and 1 tooth down to no avail. Also I just got the Duratrax 8t racing speed control, so thats brand new, so it isn't an old speedo.

[RichieRich]

LokiOs - Very interesting that you mentioned this. My brother and I had a problem where our Ultimas were a bit sluggish. It turned out to be the bearings all locked up. I think they're really cheap.

The reason why I say they're cheap is because they're nearly impossible to take apart without destroying the metal shields. On most metal shielded bearings, the shied is held in place with a very thin C clip. That way you can take them apart and clean them. Anyways, I finally got the ultima bearings apart and they were full of rust!!! I don't think they're stainless like most other bearings. I would really suggest replacing the bearings with a higher quality set such as the Duratrax one. The Duratrax bearings are teflon sealed.

Anyways, double check those bearings. ;) Hope this helps.

[LokiOs]

Well I went through all the bearings and they all SEEMED fine. I was searching around at tower and I was checking out the daily inventory reduction sale and I came across some duratrax stainless steel teflon shielded bearings. Actually the entire set for the Ultima type R, and they were only $14! I figured that's cheap enough, so I picked up a set. Even if it's not my bearings causing the problem, I'm sure the new bearing will be better. While I was there I was at it I also picked up the light weight top shaft, so that my help out (once I can get the laggy problem fixed). Once I get everything installed, I will come back and post the results.

[RichieRich]

Yeah, I installed the Duratrax set too. Haven't had any problems. Let us know how the lightened top shaft works. My brother got the lighened top shaft, but I really haven't talked to him about how much he likes it. :)

[TUCRACEMAN]

It's like strapping a set a rocket engines on the car! :p
~Dave

[LokiOs]

Has anybody got the lightened slipper plate? How is that? Also I have been having a problem with my slipper pad "glazing" over. I don;t know if it's the materiels or what? I noticed that the older style associated ones are the exact same size, but a different materiel, I am thinking about giving one of those a try.

[RichieRich]

My slipper pad hasn't been glazing over, but it does seem to wear faster than the associated one.

A couple of nights ago, I verified that the old RC10 slipper pad does fit the Ultima. You should try it out and let us know how it works. The associated slipper pad seems just slightly thinner than the Ultima pad but it should work fine.

[guver]

Do they still make both the st and rb in the ep type r?
How about the sports st and rb in the ep version?

What is a new ultima ep rb type r worth?
I'm considering buying one to replace evader with.

[RichieRich]

Yes, Kyosho still makes the Ultima RB Type R but the ST type R is discontinued. Right now, on towerhobbies, the Ultima RB Type R is selling for $250. Totally outrageous. I got mine last year for $165. I'm not sure why they jacked up the price so much. For a while, I think they were selling for even less.

[guver]

I think I'll sell mine for $159.00
It is brand new in box.

[LokiOs]

I just got a new Tower Hobbies catalog / flyer deal and in the inventory reduction section they have the Ultima rb type r buggy for $109.99!!! If you need to do a serch on the tower web site with the item number of SR2369!!!!

[RichieRich]

Thanks for the tip LokiOs! I wonder if they're clearing so they can make room for the Ultima RB Type R Evo? Or maybe the Ultima didn't sell well? :( I might just have to buy another.

[TUCRACEMAN]

Well now it's discontinued. that sucks.

[RichieRich]

:( Well, at least it leaves the door open for the Evo, right? Kyosho wouldn't sell both buggies at the same time. Better stock up on parts.