Schumacher Nitro 21 Xtr Desert Storm

[cow on wheels]

i think its about time that there was a desert storm thingy.
i love them. they r the best truks on earth.
u never see them in any races because ther so FAST - 70 completely stok! an they wood just whipp the xxxnt's and gt's!!!!
the desert storm is a blast to drive and i just love mine!
im about to get the three speed hop up.

[ob4-kid]

First I like to say that I love my truck, but stock it does not come to 1/10 truck like GT's and XNT's. So speed is not everything, handling also counts.!!!!!!!

BTW
I had this truck since 1998 when they first came with the .21 engine. Now my truck is all modified, to the engine, chassis, trans, shocks(RC10GT), and finally the gas tank(Mugen 125cc). All leads to a clocked speed of 67.6mph.

Tips
Never have a AM radio on this truck, only FM. Take my word for it.!!!!!!!

Here a pic.!!!!!

[cow on wheels]

this thing will be mad with the three speed tranny and it will definately be able to do well over 70
i just love chasing cars with my desert storm!!!!
i had only just got my desert storm and i had just finished braking it in the week before and i had set it a little rich so i could gradually increase the speed.

anyway one guy was doing about 40 on this backroad behind my house and i had just started my car as he turned round the corner, the guy went along the road at about 40 and i let my desert storm idle for a few seconds then i raced after him at abot 30. the guy didnt notice me trying to follow him and then he started to brake and turn into his own driveway - i was done! i slammed on the brake and 360'd into his left rear tire and there was this "thud" - - - the guy stopped and got out and before i actually got a chance to pull away he actually picked the car up with his left hand touching the rear tires and he started yelling at me like "what the :@>? do you think ur doing" and all that. i got pi$$ed and maxed out of his hand!! his had got burnt by the tire and he dropped it in shok and to my luk it landed the right way up so i whelied out of ther for a second and then i maxed it up to me. i checked it over and one of the front wheels was craked (i bought some plastic ones for on road tyres) and i just changed them over for some radials.

[cow on wheels]

anyone?????

[ob4-kid]

Post some pics C.O.W!!!!!!!!!

Look at this:cool:

[cow on wheels]

i would post some pics except i have no digital camera or scanner to put photos in and scan them onto my pc!!!

[cow on wheels]

is ob4 kid the only one hoo has a desert storm?????
i need more posts

[ob4-kid]

C.O.W this is scary man.!!!!! Me and you have the fastest trucks on the forum. But mine the fastest:p. 67.6mph with a single speed.!!!!!!!!!

Got to love it.!!!!!:D ;)

[roeler]

I have one too
it rocks
the blue one is mine but i need money to buy hop ups
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[cow on wheels]

u just wait till i get my 3 speed! (the shop ran out an they cant get n e in till feb now)
i will *deleted* this thing will be insanely fast and it will be able 2 do over 90 at the least, if not 120!
totally stock, it can even beat a dragster/hotrod on a drag strip - 2.9 seconds 4 it to da 1/4 mile!
at the moment im thinking bout purchasing a trinity reflex nt - do they come in p/start version???
an the head on it's only got 2 fins!!!!!

btw ob4 kid - wot body is that on ur desert storm? and how much did it cost in dollars? i got mine 4 £285! and can u pm me the specs of ur desert storm???
i wood be most grateful

Cow, be cool & don't swear, k? :cool:

[offroader]

Hey guys, I was just wondering who makes the body for that and if anyone knows where I could buy one unpainted?

Thanks

[cow on wheels]

i asked that!

[roeler]

http://www.racing-cars.com
spare parts
nitro parts
21xtr
bodyshells and decals

something like that by clicking on the website
you'll find it there by searching a bit

[roeler]

how much tiomes do you guys have to pull the pullstarter before it starts???
it sometimes takes a long time for me
plz help
thx

[ob4-kid]

Roeler, welcome to the forum. I'am gad to see that me and C.O.W are not the only ones with the truck. Roeler if you are looking for hop ups, first change the shocks to the ones on RC10 GT. Next is the mugen 125cc fuel tank. And then add the speed.!!! And if you think I'am playing, I modified the hole truck, including the engine(hp is like 2.6 or 2.7). And with the single speed I'am good for 67.6mph.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


BTW
C.O.W, I don't have the desert storm, I have the Nitro .21 xtreme that came in 1998. In 2000 they change the name to XTR. Tomorrow I'll take some more pics of the chas.!!!!!!!

Can't wait for 3-speed, looking for 90.!!!!!!!:D

[cow on wheels]

where u get mugen fuel tank an gt shox from?
how much better are the gt shox?
i might jus be thinkin of buyin another xtr desert storm from canada when i go in the summer hols coz i jus love em!

btw - it only takes 2 to 3 pulls 4 me

[roeler]

where do you find the fuel tank and the shocks
i cant find them yet

what engine do you have
and do u use onroad tires??
and are the alloy diff outputs any good??

btw i just have my car

[roeler]

and how much more to you pull (with your finger on the pipe) after you see that the fuel has entered the engine (carb)

[b willis]

any news on 3 speed box and is there any other bodys that will fit without to many mods many thanks

[roeler]

3-speed: mid januari schumi said
body: every body will fit with some cutting
(i fitted an mercedes clk gtr (but didnt drive it yet but i'll do it )

[b willis]

many thanks ROELER for the info have you seen the touring car body on the xtr21 on these pages any idea what it is any part /model numbers thanks again

[roeler]

http://www.zzestcars.homestead.com/DesertStorm.html
thats where i found that pic
i think you can find more there
and you can pre order the 3speed
just mail at schumacher ( http://www.racing-cars.com )

[b willis]

thanks yet again ROELER just a few tips for the xtr21 (this is my4th) use 50wt oil in shocks with 2 piston holes showing in each shock next add some small weights just behind the front bumper finally drill a hole in the chassis next to the black pipe so that oil and fumes are directed down under the chassis and away from the back tyre (HELPS TRACTION) enjoy

[roeler]

i just added 50wt to my order list
thx
but the hole in the chassis...
so you mean instead of putting the black tube trough the body , put it trough the chassis??

[b willis]

Originally posted by b willis
thanks yet again ROELER just a few tips for the xtr21 (this is my4th) use 50wt oil in shocks with 2 piston holes showing in each shock next add some small weights just behind the front bumper finally drill a hole in the chassis next to the black pipe so that oil and fumes are directed down under the chassis and away from the back tyre (HELPS TRACTION) cut the black pipe to the correct length

enjoy

[roeler]

U1818U Purple Alloy Shock Seal Housing (pr)
U1248V Ballbearing Set - Steering Post
U2431K Alloy Diff Outputs BIG 6/21XTR
U1963E Alloy Pro Shock Bodies - 2 long; 2 short
U786H Body Posts - Fully adj. (pk 4)
G050R Pure Silicone Shock Oil - 50w


something else or something less??,
plz help me

[b willis]

ROELER YOU SHOULD HAVE 2 SMALL HOLES OPPISITE YOUR CLUTCH BELL DRILL THE OUTSIDE ONE THE DIAMETER OF THE PIPE BELIEVE ME THIS MAKES A MASSIVE DIFFERENCE TO THE TRACTION AND LESS MESS ON YOUR WHEELS/TYRES PS WHICH COUNTRY ARE YOU FROM

[b willis]

U2372P 3 SPEED GEARBOX
G552A COOL HEAD (BLACK]
U2365G ALLOY PIVOT BLOCKS (PURPLE)
U2096M AERIAL MOUNT (PURPLE
U2252Y SPUR GEAR ADAPTOR 48dp (PURPLE
U2432 ALLOY STEERING ARMS (PURPLE**
U6701 VENOM ON ROAD TYRE

[cow on wheels]

if u wont 3 speed try ringing:

*dms racing - 01923 816636

*apex models (officially the worlds largest schumacher retailer) - 01344 750350

*kevs racing bits - 01483 236163

*modelsport uk - 01943 466535

WARNING - U CAN ONLY HAVE THE 3 SPEED IF U HAVE THE "TT" TRANSMISSION!!!!!!!!!!!

[b willis]

JUST PHONED APEX THEY SAID END OF JANUARY FOR THE 3 SPEED BOX 49.99

BEEN OUT THIS AFTERNOON TO TRY OUT FUEL TANK MOD
THE TANK IS OFF A PROTECH 1,6 SCALE 125cc PART no t54.039
GOOD FIT NO LEAKING LIDS AND TWICE THE RUN TIME

[b willis]

anybody with any feedback to my posts
DONT BE SHY

[roeler]

do you have to do any mods for the fueltank??
how much is it??
and could you plz tell me if this is a good list:

U1818U Purple Alloy Shock Seal Housing (pr)
U2431K Alloy Diff Outputs BIG 6/21XTR
U1963E Alloy Pro Shock Bodies - 2 long; 2 short
G050R Pure Silicone Shock Oil - 50w
U6701D Venom Road Tyre - Truck B30
U786H Body Posts - Fully adj. (pk 4)
U2372P 3 Speed Gearbox

[b willis]

line 1 lug up with the steering pivot remove nut and bolt then replace with a longer screw. the 2nd lug nearest engine i just used a thin hollow tube and a long screw .and nut

your list is fine but you may have to wait awhile for the 3 speed box we in england were told they were available almost 6 months ago and we are still waiting .
YOU DO HAVE TT TRANSMISSION ?(RIGHT)
getting back to the fuel tank it costs 10 pounds
DID YOU MANAGE TO DRILL YOUR CHASSIS ?
if you are still having problems starting your truck consider buying a inline primer some people hate them but i have used them with no problems in fact im still using one today because sometimes it takes awhile for the fuel to reach the chamber

[roeler]

thx
I still have to drill the chassis but i think the black exhaust tube will be blocking the 3speed so i'll probably wait and i dont race yet so it isnt that important

i do have the tt transmission i think, cuz i have the latest version of the car (ibought it onthe 29th of sept.)

And where online can i buy the fuel tank or can you give the exact name/specification so i can order it at my lhs

thanks for the help b willis

[roeler]

do you use the outer or the inner hole for the front suspension???
cuz i'm changing my shocks to 2 holes and i want to know what you use cuz you are used to driving the car and such

plz answer as fast as possible
thanks

[b willis]

OUTER HOLE ( BACK SHORTLY )

[roeler]

thats what i did
and what about the fuel tank

thanks again willis

[b willis]

I SEE YOU LIVE IN BELGIUM WELL PROTECH ARE BASED THERE SO GETTING THE FUEL TANK SHOULD BE EASY FO YOU.THE TANK IS OFF THE PROTECH PROMAX 1.6th SCALE PART noT54.039.IF YOU STILL HAVE PROBLEMS GETTING ONE HERE IS THE WEBSITE OF THE SHOP WHERE I GOT MINE WWW.PHILLSMODELS.COM

[roeler]

ok thanks alot

[timmygreek]

I am interested in buying either one of these or a thunder tiger ek4. The deciding factor will be how easy it is to get replacement parts. Have you had a difficulty getting any parts? And how durable are the xt-r's

[b willis]

IF ANYBODY IS UNSURE WHETHER THEY HAVE THE NEW TRANSMISSION OR NOT HAVE A LOOK AT THE GEARBOX HOUSING WHERE THE DRIVE SHAFT EXITS IT IS EMBOSED WITH THE WORDS TT TRANSMISSON .IF THE HOUSING IS BLANK YOU HAVE THE OLD STYLE TRANSMISSION AND WILL NEED TO BE UPGRADED TO ACCEPT THE NEW 3 SPEED GAERBOX.



WHERE'S COW ON WHEELS? OB4 KID? AND THE REST? I THOUGHT THIS WAS A FORUM TO COMMENT AND TO PASS TIPS ON TO FELLOW XTR21 OWNERS

[b willis]

IVE READ ON THE THUNDER TIGER FORUMS THAT A LOT OF PEOPLE ARE HAVING BIG BIG PROBLEMS WITH THE EK4 OVERHEATING AND ENGINE SIEZING A OTHER PROBLEMS I HAVE HAD 4 OF THESE TRUCKS WITH NO PROBLEMS THE ENGINE IS BULLIT PROOF AND THE TRANS MISSION IS IMPROVED WITH THE LATEST TT TRANSMISSION. PARTS ARE NEXT DAY FROM APEX MODELS THE WORLDS LARGEST SCHUMACHER DEALER


IN SHORT JUST BUY ONE YOU WILL LOVE IT

[cow on wheels]

im baaaaaaak!!!! sorry couldnt get online coz i woz at frends house 4 sleepover - he has tamiya mo3 mini an we had biiiig race!! i kik his but of course!!!! ran over his mini wen i weelied coz i was right next 2 him and he run out of tamiya 1400 battery power!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
*it look like my truk was raping mini!!!!*
if u live in englnd, its easy! coz schumacher is factory manufacture in northampton over here!! couldnt be simpler - i herd that cecil shumacher (guy that own it) goes 2 siverstone rc race course on regular basis - i dont live in northampton though! i live in south east.
schumacher have graet parts backup and frendly helpline!!!
cant wait 2 get my 3 speed from spec racing!!!!

hey b willis - do u get "racer" magazine??????
if not , get it!!!!!! it rulz!

[b willis]

THANK GOD YOU ARE STILL ALIVE . KEEP POSTING ON A REGULAR BASIS SPREADING THE WORD OF THE DESERT STORM XTR21 ENJOY . PS I ALSO HAVE A THUNDER TIGER TS4N PRO 12 WITH 2 SPEED BOX AND IT FLIES .

[timmygreek]

Thanks for the input. After reading other forums and web sites it looks like the xtr is the way to go. I'll order one as soon as I sell my t-maxx ( nice truck but not fast enough:o , and I DON'T feel like changing a whole bunch of parts to make it .21)
Are there any videos of this car in action?

[b willis]

IM SO PLEASED YOU HAVE MADE YOUR MIND UP ABOUT THE XTR21 BELIEVE ME YOU WONT BE DISSAPPOINTED. A FRIEND OF MINE HAS A TMAXX AND RUNNING WITH MY XTR21 IT LOOKS LIKE AN ASTMATIC ANT CARRYING HEAVY SHOPPING. DONT KNOW IF THERE ARE ANY VIDS SHOWING THE XTR21 SORRY.

[cow on wheels]

b willis - u have 4n pro??????
kewl! i also have 1!!!!!!
wot engine???????
i have fantom engine .12 p/start an im surprised it hasnt stripped the gerz coz it revs way over 40 000 rpm!!!!!!!!! its just sooooo kewl and fast L O V V V L!!!!!!
i go down to Crystal Palace rc race trak (its next to crystal palace footy ground) its a nice trak, not that much grip tho, but nice
wherbouts u live in england b willis?????

[roeler]

timmy greek
you wont be dissapointed with it
i dunno if there are any videos about it but i looked every where and couldnt find any
but good luck finding one and tell us if you do

http://www.racing-cars.com

[b willis]

MY XTR21

[b willis]

MY XTR21

[b willis]

YET MORE PHOTOS

[b willis]

AND ANOTHER ONE .WHAT DO YOU THINK OF IT SO FAR BECAUSE THERE IS MORE TO COME LATER

[ob4-kid]

Originally posted by cow on wheels
where u get mugen fuel tank an gt shox from?
how much better are the gt shox?
i might jus be thinkin of buyin another xtr desert storm from canada when i go in the summer hols coz i jus love em!

btw - it only takes 2 to 3 pulls 4 me To C.O.W and roeler, sorry for not replying, I was sick for few days. But the mugen fuel tank came from my lhs and the RC10GT shock came off a parts truck that I pay $15 for(the whole rolling chassic).

The truck also starts in 2 to 3 pulls too!!!!!
And the tires are proline speed hawks in rear and hpi tires in front.

[cow on wheels]

i woz wunderin - iz it possible 2 stik 2 fuel tanks on and rc car and have like a "Y" connector 4 the tanks? can u get fuel tubing in the shape of "Y" connecturs like they use 1 to join two servos to 1 channel??????????

[roeler]

yes its possible

http://www.racing-cars.com/images/lotusnitro1.gif

[Speedo_force]

roeler

On the first post ya did! Ya used my pics the first two shown!!

Ya cheeky sod!

LOL

Like the touring car shell!!!

[cow on wheels]

so how u think i can get the "Y" type fuel pipe???

[roeler]

i didnt say that was my car
i said the blue one was mine
other ones i found on racing-cars.com

sorry speedo_force

cow i think you can
i'll look around
but its possible but i dont know if you need to make the parts yourself or not

[cow on wheels]

k, so how wood u be able 2 join 2 fuel pipes together without them leaking?????
im kinda stuk here arnt i! LOL!!!!!!!!!

[Speedo_force]

Put a fuel filter in between them!!

[b willis]

MORE PHOTOS OF MY XTR21

[b willis]

AND ANOTHER

[Speedo_force]

b willis

Get that XTR of that table, you'll scratch it!!

[cow on wheels]

hows it doing w/ the pipe stiking down????????
n e improved traction???????
it would be soo kewl if the did a 4x4 conversion for it!!!!!!!!
so does n e 1 no how i can join them into a "Y" shape without them leaking???????

[Pershaw]

***!! That truck is crazy. Can't you get it in 4wd??? If so, how much?

[b willis]

THE TRUCK IS ONLY AVAILABLE IN 2 WHEEL DRIVE WHICH IS NOT A BAD THING BECAUSE I FIND IT MAKES YOU A BETTER DRIVER AFTER DRIVING THIS BEAST

[Pershaw]

How much is this truck rtr??

[b willis]

IN ENGLAND IF YOU SHOP ABOUT YOU CAN GET THE KIT FOR 250pounds (plus radio gear) ::: WHAT A BARGAIN DONT YE THINK FOR ALL THAT PERFORMENCE

[Pershaw]

I think your crazy, and your caps lock is stuck on! lol, j/k That is good. I'm gonna get one.

[Speedo_force]

Originally posted by b willis
IN ENGLAND IF YOU SHOP ABOUT YOU CAN GET THE KIT FOR 250pounds (plus radio gear) ::: WHAT A BARGAIN DONT YE THINK FOR ALL THAT PERFORMENCE

It would be if you were right! Try £250+ for the truck and £40 for basic radio. Fuel, Glo igniter,etc.

Ya lookin at about£300+ For everything.

[Speedo_force]

b willis what you thinking of doing to it!!

[b willis]

horace fuller 01403 265030
kevs racing bits 01483 236163
both sell the truck for 250 pounds 90% built

[cow on wheels]

correction: horace fuller does it 4 £220 - £230!!!!!!! i got mine mail order from them coz its even cheaper than schumachers website price! lol!

btw b willis - u never answer n e of my questions! r u ignoring me??

[b willis]

are you sure you have the latest model? because horace fuller was selling the old model off last year for the price you say you
paid i think you are telling porkypies or just mistaken. no im not ignoring you !what was the question again!

[cow on wheels]

well maybe i haggled the price down a bit...but i did get it 4 sumwhere around ther! no lies! if only i didnt throw the receit away!
so hows the traction b willis??? n e improvements????

does n e 1 no if the venom road tyres come w/inserts? might get sum

[b willis]

hi cow on wheels. the traction is much better now that there is no oil spewing on to the back tyre.but im in a bad mood because i was out with the truck sunday in all that wind and the bloody truck did a backflip landed on its roof and small stone got wedged in between my lovely purple head and the body.result one badly scratched cylinder head. bye for now

[b willis]

forget about venoms for now.get yourself some proline road hawgs for tarmac use. they seem to last forever (yes even the rear ones).also get a rear turnbuckle set to straighten the rear wheels up for more even tyre wear.the road hawgs come with inserts and are £14 a pair.hope this helps let me know how you get on.

[cow on wheels]

so has n e 1 actually got n e venoms???????
r they good?????

how did u bend the pipe so it faces down???????

[roeler]

i dont know which ones to get
venoms or road hawgs but i think i'll buy venoms cuz i can order them with my other schumi things :)

you dont need to bent the black thing
its attached with a zip tie so just turn it

[cow on wheels]

stupid meee!!!!! fogot bout that:rolleyes:

[b willis]

i speak from experience thats why i reccomend the road hawgs having had 4 of these trucks.ive spent a small fortune on tyres which are not cheap when youre replacing every 2 or 3 weeks like i was.trust me the road hawgs will last a very long time and are simply the best street tyre out there. but its your money

[ob4-kid]

To B Willis

I'am sorry for not emailing you back. It's 3:12am in NY, I'am tell you later to today. I just got my email runing again(472 EMAILS).

GOD help me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sorry again friend.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!

Good night everyone.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ob4-kid]

Yo B Willis, the part number for my body is U5063P, and that's a nitro 21. xtreme body by Schumacher.!!!!!!!! Looks better than that XTR body.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:p :cool:

[cow on wheels]

yeh looks waaaaaay better than the xtr body!!!
but the question is will it fit the xtr coz the xtr has the manifold jutting out of the side and the xtr body is designed so that the is space 4 it so that it dont melt the body:eek:
:confused: confused yet????????:confused: lol!

[ob4-kid]

Yeah it'll make a direct fit on the truck. PLEASE GET IT.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Target locked on to XTR body, FIRE NOW.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D :p :eek:

[ob4-kid]

You said something about manifold, right.!!!!!!!!!

[ob4-kid]

I got that.!!!!!!!

[cow on wheels]

u have proved me rong!

[roeler]

i really need your help with engine tuning.

i just cant get my engine to work and im sure its my tuning.
i did the thing with to get fuel to the carb but then when i try to start it it just wont start
even not after 10 minutes of pulling.
i need your help and i dont want to get to the lhs cuz i cant drive my car for a couple of days then
plz help me.

[roeler]

its ok
i found the prob
the linkage from the thing you need to plug on the glowplug is broken and i cant solder it back on cuz the solderiron wont stick so i need to buy a new one :(

[b willis]

!! HEY EVERYBODY!! go to the hpi website forum (non hpi nitro kits) 21.. 10.. and start saving up

[roeler]

is it possible to have an electric starter so i can make it start faster :)
thanks

[roeler]

aah finally
got it to start in one time
thanks any way
and i desperatly need road hawgs

[pugton]

Diesel dr here b willis, yes my tyres do handle well on your truck :D im going to order big 6 tommorow at daves

[ob4-kid]

Originally posted by cow on wheels
u have proved me rong! I know............ and about that new car with the 3-speed and 21 engine, what for we have our trucks. That car is only for on road, and in the world of a truck, you have on & off road for driving.

PS
You really want a car to do 85.!!!!!!!! I'll keep my truck and get the 3-speed, and then I'll do 85(clocked at 67.6)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :rolleyes:

[pugton]

Hello Mate,

If everything goes alright i should have BIG 6
tommorrow afternoon £240 all in will let you
know if it comes.

[roeler]

pffft
drowned the engine i think and the glowplug aint working anymore

what glowplug do you guys use??

[pugton]

Try useing a os max [no 8] or a enya [no 3]
these two plugs work well with 10% nitro

[beg4it]

This is my XT-R, its unrun at the moment as I just got it the other day, I cant wait too see what its goes like.

I got it as my Maxx was not fast enough.

Will i be happy??

[roeler]

thx
yes you will be happy with this car

do you guys use glowplug after glowplug
how long do u do with one glowplog

[b willis]

if you use a good plug like os or enya you should get at least 1/2 a gallon out of a glowplug depending on the conditions.
what fuel are you using?

[roeler]

10% tornade fuel.
i'll ask the lhs to give me one of the glowplugs you said.
thanx

[cow on wheels]

use 20 percent, thats wot i use!
its great!
u get way more power an speed than 10 percent

[roeler]

ok thanks

[pugton]

I think i would stick to 10% the truck is fast enough
on this fuel, and the engine will last longer.

[beg4it]

Jesus, how do you people controll these things? I finished breaking mine in today and tuned it for power, wow, what power it has, it pops wheelies at nearly any speed.

If you full throttle it you have no chance of keeping it in a straight line, this thing makes my T Maxx look like a snail, wow, wow, wow.

Right now i have a question, What are the best tyres to get for it, it wont be used on road and i want something with more grip, any ideas ?

Wow, wow, wow, :)

[b willis]

hi beg4it. welcome to the (xtr21 nitro enjoy).you will soon get the hang of the truck try putting the power on gently and build up your speed slowly till you get used to it. i use proline dirt hawgs for off road use they come with foam inserts and cost about £13 a pair. ENJOY

[ob4-kid]

Originally posted by cow on wheels
use 20 percent, thats wot i use!
its great!
u get way more power an speed than 10 percent Hey what up COW and roeler, anyway I use Trinity/ Picco monster horsepower team with 30% nitro. The best!!!!!!!! :D

[cow on wheels]

r u actually trying to wrck ur engin or jus see how long it will survive?!!!!!!
the max id go upto is 25%, i only seen peeple use 30% in planes an helicoptors

[beg4it]

Help, I need a bigger fuel tank, I'm only getting about 5 mins run time, anyone know one what will fit easy and easy to get in the UK?

These things should be 4 wheel drive, there is tooooooooo much power to the rear wheels.

And one last thing, I found out today that they dont float, I must have found the biggest puddle in the whole wide world, and didnt see it, but dont worry, everything dried out and working great now :)

[Nitro_Man]

Cow,
It is VERY common for people to fun 30 percent in .21's They run much better with 30 percent. I ran 5 gallons through my Novarossi SBK before it needed a rebuild.

Good luck with the trucks guys!!

Laters,
Jared

[b willis]

beg4it

please refer to my previous posts for details regarding the protech fuel tank.

NITRO MAN are the xtr21 very popular where you live?

[RS4rally1124]

hey i love your trucks. i have been looking at these trucks and they seem sweat. how will this truck compare to the pirate 10. they are bothe overpowered. i think this one is faster but the p10 i have heard handles better due to 4wd.


JT

[beg4it]

Originally posted by b willis
[B]beg4it

please refer to my previous posts for details regarding the protech fuel tank.

b willis, i saw the photo of the tank you have got but i didnt see what size and who it was made by.

A bit more info on the protech tank would be nice so when i goto my LHS I would like him to think I know what im on about, even if I dont have a clue.

Thanks.

[beg4it]

Sorry, i found the info i needed, it was on the first page... :)

[Nitro_Man]

b willis,
Unfortunately they aren't very popular around here. I have seen 2 others becides mine, but thats it.

[pugton]

Burrrr
Just think mr willis 4 trucks in the area
and you have owned all of them,But what
are you going for next.

THE WHEELS IN THE HEAD GO ROUND AND ROUND,
ROUND AND ROUND, ROUND AND ROUND.:D

[pugton]

You would"nt use 30% fuel in this country
if you had to repair your engine at our prices.:mad:

THE WHEELS IN THE HEAD GO ROUND
AND ROUND ALL DAY LONG:D

[beg4it]

I spoke to a guy at my LHS today and he said the schumacher rep had been in and said the 3 speed conversion will be out in a couple of weeks, they had a hold up on finding the right springs for the gear change point, or something like that....

I cant control mine how it is now, so with the 3 speed god knows what will happen...lol

[cow on wheels]

ohhhhhhhh!
i wont 3 speed!
i was jus bout to go down to spec racing and get the 3 speed an a few parts 4 my tlo1 before me an a few mates go down crystal palace race trak

[beg4it]

I've just fitted a bigger fuel tank, its a 125cc off a T-Maxx, I could not get the protech one, drilling the chassis was a hard job, it killed 5 drill bits, but its all done and dusted now. I'm hopeing for 15 minute run times now....yipeeeee.

[roeler]

i still need to look for the fuel tank but im sure my lhs has them or can get them.
did anyone see the supermaxx in rcnitro??
well i'll try to make my xtr something like that.
i'll buy all the alu. parts from schumacher and i'll ask someone i know if he can make other alu. parts.
hope it works.

and i think i'll sell my electric so i can spend all my money on my xtr ;)

[beg4it]

Here is a pic of my T-Maxx tank, the good thing with using one of these is you can get them anywhere.

[beg4it]

Here is another, I must give it a clean later....

[nitro lover]

I've read 67 mph with a single speed. Do these trucks come out of the hole slow? I've got a 1/10th scale truck with a .21 and taller tires and it doesn't go 67 mph. That truck must be tough to handle going that fast. Maybe I just need taller gearing.

[b willis]

the xtr21 is very very quick out of the hole 0-40 in 1.5 sec and pulls strongly up to top speed about 60-65 mph. but you do need good tyres to grip the surface to get the best performance.when the 3 speed box comes out the talk is of nearly 80mph i cant wait:) :)

[cow on wheels]

i will kik evry1s candy a$$ with the three speed an my drivin ablility!!!!!!!!!
im also thinkin of porting the engin, got n e tips? how much will it cost to buy new 1 if i muk up? the engins already fast but i wont more not fogettin 3 speed, with ported engin i wont be doin 80, i be doin 90+!!!!!!! mwhahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D :eek: LOL!:rolleyes:

[beg4it]

I've a feeling that when we get the 3 speed, we are going to start to break more things, I went airborne at full speed after hitting a little bump and broke a back wishbone, stick another 20-30 or more MPH on top of that and the crashes will be most spectacular.

Schumacher should start to make more hop-up parts for it.

Ps. its nice when you go out with other rc people with other trucks and leave them standing in your dust.hehe.

Bring it on.

[cow on wheels]

hey, i posted before saying that i wonted 2 make twin tank conversion, but i woz jus thinkin this mornin in the shower, how bout i ju join 2 125cc tanks together?
great idea i thought and i thought of a half hour run time...sweeet! ne way, coming out of dream world:D is it possible 2 do this? if so, wot bout 3 tanks joined together???:rolleyes:
i will probably use some plastic cement stuff (stronger than superglue) or some silikon sealant or bathroom seelant or sumthin:cool: :D
if n e 1s got n e ideas of how 2 do this; i.e. if it would work, wot else cood i use to join the tanks together, etc. etc.
imagin that, 250cc tank givin like 30 mins to 1hr + run times mayb!!!!!!!!

now this wood be goin 2 far, me an my frend wer jokin bout this at skool, but how bout a NOS system? can it be connected, can it be dun????
cannit b, or cannit not b, that is the question!:confused:
:D :D :D :D

[Pershaw]

is hard for alot of people to do on these boards.....

[beg4it]

I have just fitted the purple ali stearing things to the truck, but now i have major toe out, has anyone else had this problem?

I guess i've got to go and get the adjustable tie rod things now...


And worse of all still no 3 speed thing....


Things can only get better.. :)

[b willis]

schumacher do a front and rear turnbuckle set for about £10.you will need these for your toe in.what have you heard about the 3 speed box?

[beg4it]

Turnbuckles, thats the things, I had brain block earlier and couldn't think what they were called, I'll just get them for the front as the back is ok.

As for the 3 speed, i spoke to 3 LHS today.

One said he was told two weeks ago that they would be ready in two weeks, but nothing yet.

Another said they had seen one in person the other day and it was awesom.

And the last said he didn't think schumacher would ever release it for the XT-R as they have been using one for over a year and thought the truck wouldn't handle the speed, plus sales of the XT-R isn't that good to make sales worth while, and they are just going to use it on the touring car when ever that come out.

I also spoke to schumacher a couple of days ago, and they said maybe by the end of the month.


Well thats all I know, take your pick from above and hope its one that we want.

[nitroline]

MY LHS DOES NOT CARRY SCHUMACHER.CAN SOMEONE SEND ME A LINK TO WHERE I CAN PURCHACE ONE PLEASE ? ANY HELP WOULD BE GREAT !

[b willis]

where do you live?

[nitroline]

indiana,USA

[b willis]

www.racing-cars.com then click on dealers for your country

[beg4it]

Another weekend and another broken rear wishbone, Schumacher should make these in nice purple alloy.

Does anyone else break wishbones or is it just my driving/flying?

It sucks when you have to carry it back to the car.. :(

[b willis]

use purple alloy pivot blocks this will take a lot of the strain off the rear wishbone PART NO U2365G .

[roeler]

well i have had broken wishbones too and i'll try get them made in alu by someone i know.

it is also a long time ago since i drove my car cuz it hasnt stopped raining in 4 weeks or so
i hate belgium

[beg4it]

Hey roeler if you get some made and they are good, I'll buy a pair off you.

I dont want to get rid of the XT-R because of broken parts spoiling my fun, but if im going to break wishbones every week i might start thinking that way.

I'll try the alloy pivot blocks this weekend to see if that make any difference.

Schumacher must start to make some more hop-up parts for there models, maybe they would sell more if you could mod their products.

I hope it stops raining soon where you are as your missing fun, well fun until you break something.

[roeler]

i'll tell you when i got them and if they are good or not

[beg4it]

Roeler, cool let us know.

I spoke to a guy at my LHS today and he said the 3 speed will be out within a few days, about time too. He said the gearing wont give you better acceleration but lots of top end speed.

Start getting plenty of replacement parts for high speed crashes.:D

[beg4it]

The 3 speeds have hit the shops, one of my LHS only had one left and that was for someone, i begged 4 it but they wouldn't sell it to me... :(

My other LHS said he will be getting his tomorrow so he said he will keep one for me... :)

Any one have theirs yet??

[cow on wheels]

after a lot of thinking and lots of consideration i thought that iu was going to get rid of mt xtr an i was thinkin of goin back into electric with a tc3 just to get me started back into the electric scene.......... but now that i have herd of the 3 speed, i will keep the xtr an i will also buy the tc3.
now i am in for major spending, artound £350 - £400 including the 3 speed, because i will need 2 start fresh an get everything all over agen: radio set, good servo, good esc, good motor etc etc
time to go trash some v8 on the dragstrip at santa pod!!!!
hell yeh!:D

[roeler]

i was driving my car in my street and there is one turn (a 90 degree one) , iwas going at about 3/4 throttle, hit the brakes tp 2/4 and wanted to make the turn powersliding like allways but i turned to late, i hit the brakes , the car started turning and i hit the curb (the higher part between street and footwalk) , i made a some rolls in the air and hit the ground on my right front wheel (and i was turning left) , the turnbuckle broke. Im happy that this is the only part i broke.

so my question is whats the part number for the adjustable turnbuckle set. well i want the six things in metal or titanium.
The non adjustables are u1638v and u1838o.
btw , i'll still need to ask the guy if he can make the alloy wishbones.

[b willis]

try this website.www.racing.foxtor.co.uk/xtdesertstorm. click on parts

[roeler]

thx for the site but i still need help.
can you please give me parts numbers needed to make the 6 turnbuckles adjustable?
cuz my english isnt that good and i dont know what i need to order.
plz help me

thanks

[b willis]

the part no, you require is u18380 it is listed under speed secrets.

[roeler]

thx
i just found out when you replied.

[ob4-kid]

Originally posted by cow on wheels
i will kik evry1s candy a$$ with the three speed an my drivin ablility!!!!!!!!!
im also thinkin of porting the engin, got n e tips? how much will it cost to buy new 1 if i muk up? the engins already fast but i wont more not fogettin 3 speed, with ported engin i wont be doin 80, i be doin 90+!!!!!!! mwhahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D :eek: LOL!:rolleyes: Everyone except me. See Once I get the 3-speed, my truck will be the fastest because of my modified engine(2.5-2.7hp). And my top speed is already 67.6mph. So that means that my truck should do 85 with the 3 speed. How fast your truck do.!!!!!!!!!! :cool:

PS
I also made the rear shock tower out of steel. I 'll posts some pics tomorrow.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[ob4-kid]

Guys I'am also making the front shock tower too. I wonder why schumacher don't make this stuff.!!!!!:(

Ps
The 3 speed come next week and is ready for shipping. My sources come from them.!!!!!!!!!!!:D :cool:

[pugton]

We have one fitted to B Willis`s car now
testing starts thursday afternoon.

WOOOOOOOOOOOOOSSSHH :eek:

[b willis]

was it worth the wait? you bet absolutely WICKED. IST GEAR 43. 2ND 58. 3RD 75. PLUS TYRE GROWTH CAN INCREASE TOP SPEED BY UP TO 20%

[ob4-kid]

Sorry this took so long. What do yall guys think about it.???:confused:

[b willis]

ob4 kid i think you need a new camera.any sign of the 3 speed box where you live?.you dont know what youre missing :D

[ob4-kid]

Originally posted by b willis
ob4 kid i think you need a new camera.any sign of the 3 speed box where you live?.you dont know what youre missing :D What you talking about willis.!!!!!!! I'am using a Logitech camera made for online. And about the 3-speed, my LHS will get some this week.:D

PS
Is it hard to put in or adjust. Also, how fast you think your truck is now(speed wise).

[b willis]

the 3 speed is dead easy to fit it is just a matter of replacing the old layshaft with the new supplied one and sliding the new gogs and springs on to the shaft. there is no shift point adjustment it is factory set. the truck is a lot faster and there is a lot less strain on the engine.be warned youve got to hit 50mph to see 3rd kick in so you need a big running space:D

[b willis]

1st 15 pinion-65 spur. 2nd 19 pinion- 61 spur. 3rd 23 pinion-57 spur. intenal ratio is 2.4.:D

[roeler]

what do u guys think of the 3speed???
is there anyone who has one yet?

and:
what tires do you use on what surface???
i use the vee2 in front and the vee4 in the back on grass and it rocks. i still can do wheelies!
i also use it on a bit of hard dirt and it works but not that good as on grass, i cant do wheelies on hard dirt, it just makes 'burning' tracks on the dirt :)

[sToMp]

hey guys need some help decideing which truck to get.

i am stuck betweeen the hpi nitro mt racer or

the schumancher desert strom.

i have read all 7 pages of your guys comment on the xtr but would like to know if any of you have exprence with both of these. i see some of you have gotten that new 3 spd for ur truck.
i must also say i am new to nitro and have not had a car for 10 years.
really any thought would be help ful. you all seem very happy about your choice. i live in the states and was wondering how hard and how long it would take to get parts if i do break anything or want to upgrade. there are no dealers around me and i would have to order from the web.

thanks guys
sToMp

[sToMp]

hey guys need some help decideing which truck to get.

i am stuck betweeen the hpi nitro mt racer or

the schumancher desert strom.

i have read all 7 pages of your guys comment on the xtr but would like to know if any of you have exprence with both of these. i see some of you have gotten that new 3 spd for ur truck.
i must also say i am new to nitro and have not had a car for 10 years.
really any thought would be help ful. you all seem very happy about your choice. i live in the states and was wondering how hard and how long it would take to get parts if i do break anything or want to upgrade. there are no dealers around me and i would have to order from the web.

thanks guys
sToMp

[roeler]

well, i dont have any experience with the nitro mt, sorry.
but you say it s your first nitro car, well it was also my first one so i think you could start with the desert storm if wanted.

another thing is when ordering parts you need to chose if u are in europe, america or somewhere else so the part comes from the schumacher building closest to you.
It doesnt take long for the parts to arrive when they have them in stock. I ordered a part from britain (im in belgium) on saterday,they dont work on sunday and i got it by tuesday.
So its fast enough if they have them in stockif not it'll take somethin like a week.

i dont have the three speed yet cuz its not in the online list and i also want to know how its like to drive the car with the 3speed.

Roeler

sorry for bad english :s

[cweimaraner]

First time posting to this forum!

I just tuned in my new 3-Speed. HOLY #$#%!!!

I need to purchase an FM radio. About 2 seconds after the cars hits 3rd, I loose radio contact, and yes I have fresh batteries... the car is so fast it is unbelievable!

If your waiting for your 3 speed to arrive... let me tell you that is definately worth the wait.

AWSOME.

Jim

PS. whoever posted the exhaust tip (drilling 2nd hole out) THANKS! What a difference that made.

[ob4-kid]

Yo willis, thanks for the info. And since you have the 3 speed, you should alloy engine mount and transmission plate so the engine have no chance of moving.

PS
And yes, I have it.!!!!!!!!!!:cool:

[cudaboy_1971]

hola hermanos!

so glad i just found this forum. i've had the nitro storm for the better part of 2 years now...and have been reinventing the wheel, it appears. who knew there were so many other shumie users out there. (im the only one i know in my neck of n. california)

warning in advance..this will be a rambling lengthy post...coz i got so many questions i've wanted to ask someone over the past years.

spent the better part of an hour reading over all the posts in this thread. makes me embarressed to post any pix. my machine is filthy from running in the dirt....and my blue head is all scratched up (and bent--oops) from many many asphalt tumbles. i DO very much like the looks of that supra body...may make a trip to the shop monday :)

i have the older tranny (non TT) so wont be doing the 3sp conversion any time soon....spend too much on replacement parts as it is :)

here's a good topic for discussion: what setups do you use for street vs. offroad? (i run on a packed dirt track when im not playing on the asphalt in front of the house)

i would be VERY interested in hearing your setups, as mine SUCK! my truck is bone stock except i put on the adjustable turnbuckles.

also, i run the shuie VEE-2 in the front and VEE-4 on the rears in dirt
on the road i run Proline roadhawgs and road rage (cant tell any difference in traction between those two---actually i picked up two different packs at the store by accident. i wanted 4 rages :o )

specifically, i want to hear your suspension setups: which mounting holes you use in the wishbones. i know there are the pro shocks, but cant afford them now...so how do you have the stock shocks adjusted?

on the street, my machine just rocks and rolls TOO EASILY. how did you guys mod your setups to lower the height and stiffen the susp? (i am seriously considering buying an onroad setup if i cant get this thing to handle better on the tarmac)

in the dirt, it just wont hook up. brand new knobbies just put me in donuts. just trying to ease into the throttle puts me sideways in the track 7 times out of 10...makes for very frustrating lap times.

one last thing: do you fellas have trouble with the high speed screw rattling loose due to vibration? i'll get my engine running sweet for about 2 tanks, then it starts getting rich on me...took me a while to figure out, but the screw is on the verge of defecting from my ride altogether! spend another half a tang getting it set again...very frustratin'.

[cweimaraner]

First things first... welcome to the board. I'm new here too but I can help you out with some of your questions.

1. Buy the new TT Setup, you'll have less breakage! I used to be buying all sorts of parts for my old XT. I recently picked up a complete new model (yes that's right... 2 XT-R's ;^)) and haven't had any problems yet... and believe me I beat the CR@P out of my trucks!

2. Setups: Here is what I use, not to be confused with what setup is best.... JUST what I use. For street I simply use the stock tires, V-2 front and V-4 Rear. Although I have many different tire setups, the awsome power of the TT .21 makes all the hipe of what the tires are SUPOSED to do obsolete! I can easy burn any tire setup... on the rare ocasion that I do get hooked up, I flip backwards... I could put a wheely bar on but I choose to adjust the clutch to engage almost instantly, so that the RPM's don't get up to high.
For off-roading I LOVE my stock T-Maxx tires for front and rear! They are Proline 2.2" MASHERS and on ocasion I use Proline HAWGS in the rear. Beware that these tires are HUGE and will really get you going on the top end... Make sure that you use foam inserts.

3. Suspension: I do have the Pro Shocks but I don't really think that they make all that much difference... simply because you don't have a lot of "fine control" of the XT-R..... too much power. However, I have mine setup with 40 weight oil and 2 holes open. On the rear, I use 5 rubber o-rings around the shaft to act as a stoper, just in case I bottom out.
I have my shocks connecting to the wishbones in the location nearest the tires, e.g. gives you the widest stance and thus less likely to roll. I use really stiff springs and 3-4 spacers for on-road and soft springs with 1-2 spacers for off road.
For jumping a lot, I move my lower shock mounts to the middle hole (rear) and use the softer off-road springs/spacer setups.

4. You're always going to be burning out on dirt if you have your .21 tuned properly... just the nature of the beast.

5. Your high speed screw shouldn't be coming loose... I bet that either your little o-ring inside the carb is squished up, worn out, or missing all-together. Get a new one regardless... cheap insurance. To do this, just completely remove the screw and look in there with flashlight... I use a dental tool to remove those little buggers.

Hope this helps. Remember that this machine is not tunable like an on-road race car. The suspension is sloppy and not made for awsome handling.... It is purely a fun power mongral to satisfy us POWER HOGS tastes!

Oh.. one other tip that I got off this site that I recently did on my truck is drilling out the hole in the chasis for the exhaust! AWSOME TIP! Noticable difference.

Enjoy.
Jim

Originally posted by cudaboy_1971
hola hermanos!

so glad i just found this forum. i've had the nitro storm for the better part of 2 years now...and have been reinventing the wheel, it appears. who knew there were so many other shumie users out there. (im the only one i know in my neck of n. california)

warning in advance..this will be a rambling lengthy post...coz i got so many questions i've wanted to ask someone over the past years.

spent the better part of an hour reading over all the posts in this thread. makes me embarressed to post any pix. my machine is filthy from running in the dirt....and my blue head is all scratched up (and bent--oops) from many many asphalt tumbles. i DO very much like the looks of that supra body...may make a trip to the shop monday :)

i have the older tranny (non TT) so wont be doing the 3sp conversion any time soon....spend too much on replacement parts as it is :)

here's a good topic for discussion: what setups do you use for street vs. offroad? (i run on a packed dirt track when im not playing on the asphalt in front of the house)

i would be VERY interested in hearing your setups, as mine SUCK! my truck is bone stock except i put on the adjustable turnbuckles.

also, i run the shuie VEE-2 in the front and VEE-4 on the rears in dirt
on the road i run Proline roadhawgs and road rage (cant tell any difference in traction between those two---actually i picked up two different packs at the store by accident. i wanted 4 rages :o )

specifically, i want to hear your suspension setups: which mounting holes you use in the wishbones. i know there are the pro shocks, but cant afford them now...so how do you have the stock shocks adjusted?

on the street, my machine just rocks and rolls TOO EASILY. how did you guys mod your setups to lower the height and stiffen the susp? (i am seriously considering buying an onroad setup if i cant get this thing to handle better on the tarmac)

in the dirt, it just wont hook up. brand new knobbies just put me in donuts. just trying to ease into the throttle puts me sideways in the track 7 times out of 10...makes for very frustrating lap times.

one last thing: do you fellas have trouble with the high speed screw rattling loose due to vibration? i'll get my engine running sweet for about 2 tanks, then it starts getting rich on me...took me a while to figure out, but the screw is on the verge of defecting from my ride altogether! spend another half a tang getting it set again...very frustratin'.

[cudaboy_1971]

thanks for the reply....great tips.

i'll be messing with some of the shock setups after i get her put back together (see below)

i read the original post about drilling out the chassis for the exhaust. didnt get it then, and your description didnt help me much either. maybe im being dense. what am i supposed to drill out and what does it do to affect traction?

btw--here's a link to some pix. you all embarrassed me so much with your photos i decided to giver her a bath. had to pull out the tranny anyway, as i busted a driveshaft yesterday :(

http://homepage.mac.com/cudaboy_71

p.s. you cant see ANY of the bodies---theyre thrashed.

[cweimaraner]

Nice cleanup job! I upgraded to the alloy diffs to avoid the job your doing now. They really are tough.

I modified one of your pictures to show you where to drill the hole. You'll have to drill it big enough so the rubber tip will fit through it. You can use the hole closest to the outside of the chasis to start with. You'll want to ream it right up to the edge and towards the back a bit. You'll have to bend the wire that holds the end of the muffler to get it to fit right.

All you have to do is drill out where the yellow circle is , turn your rubber tip down through the hole and trim it off about 1/8" from the bottom of your car (from underneath!)

Keeps the oil from the right rear wheel. Really does work great.

PS. Don't worry about the big hole in the chasis... it is really quite strong.

Also, when you have the thing apart, make sure to flare the tip of the header and front part of the muffler. e.g. zip ties won't be popping off. I also hacked off about a 1/4" from the header.... but didn't make a big difference.

I'm currently working on completly new exhaust system out of copper tubing. Should have something by the end of the week... that is if the weather holds out! MN... never can tell.

Jim

[cweimaraner]

here ya go.

[cudaboy_1971]

picture really is worth 1000 words. that explained everything. thx.

called shumacher u.s. today and ordered a buncha parts to fix my ride. inquired about the alloy driveshafts you mentioned....turns out my tranny is TWO generations old. wont fit without a trans upgrade. so then i asked how much for the TT & 3sp combo.

cough, cough $120 bucks....dang....i should just save up for a whole new buggy.

needless to say, i got the plati-shafts. oh, yeah...those will last a whole nother month :rolleyes:

[cweimaraner]

You just keep truck'n man. Just think of it as a Classic!

On another note, I just picked up all my parts for the new exhaust system. Just have to figure out how I want to secure it down....... Should be pretty trick. I'll post some pictures when I get it done.... and if it works 1/2 *****, I'll post the directions to build it.

[cweimaraner]

Beginings of my new exhaust... somewhat similar to the dual exhausts being made for the T-Maxx...

[cweimaraner]

Preliminary fitting.. on old XT

[cweimaraner]

Prelim fitting again...

[cweimaraner]

The new 3 speed boys!

[cweimaraner]

Drill out a hole large enough for the rubber tube to fit in and trim.

That's about it!

[cweimaraner]

Yet another view of the 3speed and exhaust mod.

I figured by using the speed trap method...

http://www.wildhobbies.com/rc_cars/tips/default.asp?cmd=view&articleid=23

that my car with the new 3speed is doing close to 77 MPH. Comining in on the 100 yard dash at .89 seconds.

This method is a bit scewed for a few reasons...

1. Can't start/stop the stopwatch perfectly...
2. Can't really get my car up to top speed... AM radio doesn't have the range.... and I can't see the darn car from that distance!

Good enough for me though.

[beg4it]

seeing the 3 speed fitted and hearing you guys go on about it has made me make up my mind to fit mine, its been sitting in the bag for a week now with lots of other parts.

Is it easy to fit the alloy outer drive cup things what they recommend fitting? I have never taken the transmission apart before and am a little worried if i'll get it back together right.

Thanks.

[cweimaraner]

It is pretty easy, just take your time and follow the directions. If you run into problems, just post and I'll help you along.

J

[cweimaraner]

Check this out. I decided to go the dual exhaust route. It sounds AWSOME! I'll do the test run tomorrow, weather permitting.

[cweimaraner]

Here is what it will look like with the body on... I think I'll end up painting the the exhaust though.

[beg4it]

That twin pipe looks good, but wont the oil build up in the pipe as its going upwards?? I must admit im not the brightest bulb in the house so i dont really know, I did read some post about a system looking the same as that for the T-Maxx and they said dont touch it, not the right back pressure and stuff like that..

Anyway it does look good.

ooOO(I must fit my 3 speed this weekend....)

[cudaboy_1971]

tuned pipes are a science. race teams spend thousands (full size--i doubt r/c'ers spend thousands...but i dunno) developing the right pipes for their engines to perform at peak.

i suppose if you just want a cool lookin' dual out the back of your ride, there's no *HARM* in making mods like that. i just wouldnt expect any performance gains...in fact theyre sure to make performance worse than with the tuned pipe that came with it.

but, it sure does look b*tchin' :)

[cweimaraner]

I'm expecting a loss in performance... and I do have 2 complete race pipes for those days that I need the speed.... just messing around is all. I'll tell you this though.... it sounds like a mini V-8!

I'll keep you guys up to speed on the performance.

[roeler]

i havent posted for a while but here i am.
the dual exaust really looks cool but like beg4it said the oil will stay in the pipe, but thats not a reason not to drive it. Only after u drove it you should take of the pipe to release the oil.

i asked the guy for the alloy (front) wishbones and he'll see what he can do. But if totally alloy is too expensive he will look to just make it harder so it wont brake that fast.

and if u dont want to make donuts you should drive in grass. I drive vee2 in front vee4 in back. 50wt oil in shocks and 2 open holes and runs perfect.

Did anyone saw the super maxx in rc nitro?? well i was obsessed by it :)
so i want to make my xtr something like that. totally alloy and i ll probably sell my electric onroad car so i can afford all the parts. :)

and i wont buy the 3speed because not enough place drive and i will brake even more parts then :)

well goodluck with your cars

[cweimaraner]

I think on the dual exhaust I will make an elbow that has a threaded end on it.... probably directing it out through my existing chasis hole. That way on the last run, I'll remove the plug and drive it a bit to get all the oil out.

Those alloy wishbones sound great. Maybe your friend should make a pattern for them... I know I would be interested in a pair.
Although since I went to the new 2002 model XT-R, I haven't broken a pair yet!

[beg4it]

Good idea for the pipe, a drain off nipple thing. I bet it does sound good, you cant beat the sound of a nice V8.

Whats different between the 2002 model and the older ones?


roeler, my mate has got a supermaxx, and it looks the bollox.
See if you can get some rear wishbones made in alloy, as they are the suckers that i break, I've never broke a front one yet, but i guess that will change soon.

[roeler]

well i'll also ask him what a full alloy wishbone will cost.
i maybe will go to the guy tonight or tomorrow and tell you.

i just drove my car and was totally mud :) cuz it has been raining the last week like hell.

cya

[roeler]

well the guy wasnt at home today. sry
i also made the hole in the chassis for the pipe but i havent driven it since.

[roeler]

well the guy contacted me today.

is possible to get them made out of alloy but if i ask them to do, they immediatly make 10. So that are 5 pairs of front alloy wishbones.
1 pair would be something like 25$
If i have 5 people who are intrested then ill look to get them made. I also will look for other parts (that are not pairs cuz you need 2 wishbones aight) with 10 guys interested.

da roeler.

[cweimaraner]

I'll take a set for that price. Just to make sure we are using the same version... you are talking about the newest 21 XT-R right?

Thanks.
Jim

[roeler]

yeah the latest version indeed

we need 3 more

bye

[beg4it]

I'll have a set as well if they are nice looking and strong, we dont want soft alloy.

How about a set for the back? Rear wishbones are the kiddies i break.??

Ps. still have not fitted the 3 speed, its sitting on my workbench ready for the fitting.

Has anyone had any problems with theirs?

Thanks.

[roeler]

they should be strong, they make firetruck parts.

ok thats 3 pairs need 2

and will look for rears too
thats 2 and 3 needed

[beg4it]

Cool, 50 bucks for a full set of wishbones sound like a good deal to me.....

Keep us all posted.

[roeler]

4 pairs of front wishbones 1 pair available

3 pairs of rear wishbones 2 pairs available

the 25 $ a pair is without shipping.

[32sport]

Hi
Just bought a desert storm after seeing this thread, fascinating stuff, will be running it in tomorrow, 3 speed on order, I wanted something different as I smashed my Yoko GT4 W sideways into a kerb at about 60 mph, big cost (bits on order) can you believe it, the smoothest carpark in the world, size of a football pitch and I hit the kerb!!!!!!SIDEWAYS!!!!!!!!( If there was no kerbs and a big pole in the middle I probably would have hit that instead!!!)

Anyway just saying HI! I am in the UK, Essex, so if you are local introduce yourself.
Thanks

[cudaboy_1971]

i've got pro shocks on the rear of my buggy. i thot i had bent a rod because the motion was not smooth. so, i put in a new one. same problem.

my guess the seal is bad. anyone have any idea how to get that sucker out? on the anodized aluminum shock there's no way to easily get at the seal. any suggestions? i was just gonna get a small screwdriver and try to force it out through the rod hole. is there anything i can damage by doing it that way?

does shoie even sell the seals for the pro shocks? i dont see them on the site. i'll call tomorrow...just thot i'd see if anyone here's replaced them.

[roeler]

i'll probably go to the guy tomorrow and tell him about the wishbones.
btw does anyone else wants a pair?

i'll probably make handmaded alloy body posts and anything else i can make by hand.

bye

[DaMaXXer]

i want this truck but were can i get parts for it.

[beg4it]

Hi 32sport.

Welcome the the crazy world of the XT-R, hope you enjoyed reading the other pages on this thread, there is a lot of useful information on here...

One thing your find with the storm is your have trouble keeping the front wheels on the ground when your broken in and tuned right..hehe.

Your also find your always be stopping and re-fueling, that standard tank is just not large enough.

Be gentle with the stearing and throttle or your be going around in circles all the time, I've had the storm for a while now and am still crap at trying to control it...

I'm on the Suffolk/Essex border, where in Essex are you? I guess you can't be near me as there isn't no smooth large carpark here..lol

Enjoy.

[32sport]

Just sent you a private message, detailing where I am etc

Cheers

T

[roeler]

Hi DaMaxxer,
the only place i know where you can get parts for it is on schumacher (http://www.racing-cars.com)

or ask it in your LHS if they can get schumacher parts (minde does but doesnt have them in stock)

[Mr Sheep]

hi all
Im prob gonna get 1 of these trucks, ive wanted 1 4 years but never bin able 2 afford it, but now im workin and hav plenty of money 2 waste :)
if i do, it wont be long, get paid on the 15 April:D
I just hav a few questions about it, firstly, the whole 0-40mph in 1.5 seconds, is this acceleration actually possible or does it just wheelspin, secondly, hows it handle at top speed wiv turning
thanx guys,
i i get 1, thats sum1 else 2 add to this 'owners club'

[roeler]

is there any else who wants the wishbones and im soryy but the price is a bit more. It's something like 30$

roeler

[roeler]

how much weight do you add in the front to keep it down?? i think someone did that

roeler

[32sport]

I think trial and error is the thing here, if you have a really good set up with your engine then the front will lift at the smallest blip, has anyone tried moving the battery pack forward?
My guess, and I`m no mathematician, is that with so much torque at the rear wheels you may need loads of weight, better off some sort of wheelie bar, I just bolted some Tamiya bodyposts to my backend, pointing back,still wheelies about an inch or two but the spring in the posts pushes it down really quickly.

[roeler]

i'll just add the total package of weight :) cuz the car has a lot of power. And it'll help when i have my handmade wishbones. (one of them is almoust finished

[Mr Sheep]

hey evri1, thanx 4 replyin, hehe, nvr mind
i got 1 yestrday, and i hav only had it 2 bout 40% throttle yet, (small carpark, but goin 2 a big offroad place 2moro!!!)
my battery cable isnt long enuf 2 attach 2 the back of the truck, so I strapped it 2 the front, and I can say that is doesnt lift @ all, although it mite @ higher throttle, but onli a bit!
Its worth tryin.

[Mr Sheep]

i got mine, new from apex models, i shopped round and found they were the cheapest @ £210, + £5 postage!!!

[roeler]

Well i added 60 grams of weight in the front and know it is lovely to run, it doesnt wheelie everytime you blip the throttle but only if it his a maximum of grip.
And i still think schumacher should every part in alloy :)

greetz

[roeler]

I still need someone who wants a set of front alloy wishbones and to people who want a set for the back.

front:
- me
- cweimaraner
- beg4it
- ???
- ???

back:
- me
- beg4it
- cweimaraner?
- ???
- ???

(price a pair would be something like 30$ :s)

greetz

[cweimaraner]

Roeler:
I'm in for a front and rear set. Just e-mail me and I'll send the $.

j.gerhardt@charter.net

When are they going to be ready?

Jim

[roeler]

i'll get them made when im sure i can sell them

i still need 2 people

[32sport]

Modelsport, only £209.00 BARGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Hope someone from Modelsport see`s this and mails me an EXTRA SPECIAL DISCOUNT on an EK4 or Monster Pirate, cos thats what I want next. Yes thats right MODELSPORT 01943 466535, if you order one mention this shameless plug, they may even GIVE me a really big discount!!!!
www.modelsportuk.com

[cudaboy_1971]

has anyone here fabricated a wheelie bar or ladder bar for their ride.

i feel like a puss, but i just cant keep the thing shiny side up and i'm tired of replacing body posts and body clips.

im thinking of making one out of some really thick guage piano wire and some tiny r/c airplane wheels. my problem is i dont know where or how i should attach it to the chassis. i'd like drill and bolt it to the main body tray. but, it looks like that'd interfere with the rear suspension. maybe into the bottom, metal portion of the battery tray???

does anyone know of a 3rd party company alreay shipping something that i could adapt so i dont have to reinvent the wheel? (literally :) )

[roeler]

i would just order 2 body posts and the things needed to attach them and then i should attach them to the battery box and rear bumper. There are 2 holes there that are perfect to attach them so they stick out to the back of the car and they can server as wheeliebar.

[Chestnut]

Has anyone had trouble with stripping out 1st gear on the three speed? I got 3 runs on the setup and stripped the clickers off the back side of the 1st gear. They are sending a replacment but it was backordered. :confused

[Chestnut]

Has anyone had trouble with stripping out 1st gear on the three speed? I got 3 runs on the setup and stripped the clickers off the back side of the 1st gear. They are sending a replacment but it was backordered.

[b willis]

schumacher have brought out an updaded ist gear hub which has solved the problem of stripping . i have used the new part for 4 weeks now with no problems

[Chestnut]

:D I received my updated gears yesterday. Will update today. Also got the turn buckles so I can adjust all the suspension, I put a T Max fuel tank on her so I could get more run time. This car will run !!!

[cudaboy_1971]

i spun a thrust bearing doin' donuts in the street...so i needed sumthin to do.

havent tried it out yet, since the trannys gone. but, looks nice. the only thing that's remotely ugly is the brackets are not mirror image....so both wheels face the same way. if i get bored again i may drill out the rivets and replace the rollers with some tiny rc plane wheels.

pix:

http://homepage.mac.com/cudaboy_71/PhotoAlbum4.html

[cweimaraner]

I have been abusing my for a couple months now... cookies on the dry pavement and all. I haven't had any problems with it! I feel that it's working pretty good off road too, just have to learn to hit the brakes in the air so you do go into 3rd!

This XT-R 3spd is awsome.

Jim

[b willis]

schumacher have just announced the latest upgraded xtr its now called the 21xtr 3e. it comes with the following. 3 speed box, new e,start system (you need a drill to start it), wheelie bar, and a new display box (whatever that is). all for £249 what a bargain. everything is in more detail in the may newsletter including details of the fusion

[ob4-kid]

The king is back!!!!! What's up guys, just to let everybody know, I finally had put my truck back on the road. And how did it run? Not so good, first my diff was lose and then clutch went. So once again I'am it's not runing. Talking about bad luck. OH BOY!!!!!!

[cudaboy_1971]

if anyone's interested, my drawer roller wheelie bar rocks! got my tranny parts from schuie today and put it on the road with some road rages. she hooks up good and pulls straight....just gotta let off the gas so i can steer :)

put up a coupla more pix with the new shell on.

http://homepage.mac.com/cudaboy_71/PhotoAlbum4.html

[ob4-kid]

That's cool cudaboy, it must really work. The only thing I've made was a steel shock tower for the rear. Good work!!!!!!!!

[Chestnut]

Got mine back together with the new gears, and she works good. I don't think the first set shifted right. This set seems to shift right on the money. Those wheelie bars may be next, she got air born and went about 80 feet on her top. I need a body that won't let so much air get under it so it will stay right side up.:D :D

[postalmal]

Where is the best place to buy one in the US, and how much? I'm converting from electric to nitro and I want something fast!! Is this truck to complex for a nitro rookie? How does the kit come and what in needed? Thanks

[cudaboy_1971]

you can pick one up direct from the importer http://www.racing-cars.com

or you can call them (number's on the website) and they'll tell ya who is a dealer in your area.

too much for a nitro rookie? define too much!

yeah, its fast as hell. yeah yer prolly gonna break some stuff before ya get the hang of it, unless you live on the bonneville salt flats. 35 foot jumps and a coupla concrete curbs has ended the day for me more than once. but, dont let that scare ya off. the speed and acceleration (damn that acceleration!) make the price of admission worth the trip. i dunno about the three speed, but my 1 speed will pull the front wheels off the ground if i gun it at about 45---and flip it w/o the wheelie bar

for the money, all the parts are quality...no plastic bushings where there should be bearings...so dont be fooled by crappy towerhobbies el-cheapo kits. this is the real deal.

if you do get one, put some big-ol proline mashers on it to start off. a bigger tire will keep ya from hookin up to quick out of your hole shot and flippin over on your backside before ya get 10 feet. (dumb ol me had to go completely thru a new lexan body before i learned) --plus a bigger tire means higher top end !!!

and finally, put on the wheelie bar. i talked w/ shuie u.s. yesterday and they said they were expecting a shipment of the new stock 3 speeds with standard wheelie bar installed....so ya should be set. good luck.

[dion]

can some one tell me how to tell if i got a good truck?will it say something in the directions?? this has the t.t. .21, yellow chassis ,1 speed . it's clean i traded more than i wanted for it ...its cool i just dont know if its worth what i traded
i traded...
2 schu. axis 2's one complete carbon & one w cs rocket max esc other w high tec esc a new pro 2 just a bunch of electric stuff indy 16 x 2.5-3 charger.pluss he gave me some extra stuff .
the guy is super cool and fair but im not super happy with the truck .
it's fast .....just i think its old and the guy he got it from said it has a special motor ????? and can i put the 3 speed on it?
-dion

[dion]

try cutting some holes in the back of the body (like the back window) ..thats what i had to do to my N-rs4 to keep it from going air born .
-dion

[dion]

loscohones@aol.com
this schumacher is just tooo fast
good reason to get the 3 speed

[_Burn0ut_]

Hi,
Im thinkin of getting a desert storm 3 speed, i see on the Schumacher website that they r bringing out the Nitro 21XT-R 3E with a standard wheelie bar, what speeds am i looking at with this set-up.
Is it worth waiting for the 21XT-R 3E or should i just buy a XT-R single speed and fit a 3 speed onto it?

Oh yer, im experienced with Nitro R/C wiv a maxx and a hopped up n.sport.

Wheres the best and cheapest place to get the kit and spares in the UK from?

Please reply as these xt-r's look blingin

[b willis]

BURNOUT. your better off waiting for the latest version to come out with the 3 speed, easy start, wheelie bar. the current model is £219 plus £50 for the 3 speed box. the new version is due out in 2 weeks. on the spares side ive found they are the same price in every model shop i get mine from apex always next day delivery if you phone before 12 noon. when you get your truck the first things youre going to need is venom tyres with inserts and i would hunt about for a bigger fuel tank. also put some weights on the front end. GOOD LUCK.

[cweimaraner]

I don't really like the idea of lugging around a cordless drill to start my truck. Especially after you get it warmed up. The only problem with the pull start is when it is cold, the nitro goos up in the bearing and doesn't want to engage.

So... here is what I think Schumacher/Thunder Tiger should do.

Develope an integrated "Easy-Start/Pull-Start" so you can use the drill to get it going, but when you simply need a quick start, you don't have to use the drill. From looking at it, it should be pretty easy to do.

I have my hands full already with the nitro bottle, glow-plug ignitor and r/c pistol. I'm afraid that adding a tool-belt for the cordless is just to much to bear!

My 2 cents.
Jim

[_Burn0ut_]

2 weeks you say, where should i get it from, who will have the model for sale soonest? I have had an EZ-Start system on a N.Sport and a T-MAXX but i didnt like it at all, i will probably get a pull start as i find them much better.

I will do what b willis did which was put a T-MAXX fuel tank on as they r easy to get hold of, ill prolly keep the truck stock for a while then add some mods onto it.

Can i use proline tyres on instead of Venom as i have a set of Road Rage tyres which i used to use for my n.sport

[b willis]

BURNOUT. ive no idea who will have the truck first maybe apex as they are the worlds biggest schumacher dealers. you can use the prolines no problem just make sure they have inserts. i use the protech fuel tank not the t maxx tank.you asked about speeds in your previous posts mine was clocked by a policeman friend at 78mph and i had to break as i had run out of road this 3 speed box is awsome believe me.

[_Burn0ut_]

Kool, most i got outta my n.sport was 43, do apex models sell spares for the deseert strom and upgraded parts?

[b willis]

BURNOUT yes apex sell spares and upgrades visit the apex website. the latest upgrade due shortly are purple alloy wishbones front + rear.

[_Burn0ut_]

Thanks, a few Q's though:
Where did u get the protech fuel tank from?
Will i need a hi-torque servo for the steering or will a regular £8 one do?
Im guessing i can take the radio gear off my n.sport right?

[b willis]

BURNOUT any servo will do for the steering. re. fuel tank see my posts on page 1 .

[_Burn0ut_]

K, cheers, im gonna give apex models a call tomorra to see if and when they will be getting the 3E in.

[R/C Gremlin]

Hi all,
Hey, I was wondering about changing engines on the Desert Storm. Can any .21 engine be installed or do I have to use the Schumacher engine? I guess what I should be asking is, should I use a pilot shaft version or the "regular" .21 engine? I don't have the Desert Storm as of yet and was looking at upgrading already, but I couldn't find the specs on the engine at the Schumacher site. OVERKILL never hurt anything...too much. LOL!

[b willis]

i dont know why you would want to change the engine. the engine is made by thunder tiger and is bullet proof it also churns out 2.1 hp. to give you an idea how good they are a friend of mine has put close to 13 gallon thru one and it still flies .

[_Burn0ut_]

Hi,
Im going to take the radio gear off my n.sport whilst im looking got a decent FM radio set. I found the Hi-Tech Ranger 2 set, r these any good, for range and so on?

Thanks

[dion]

stering servo dont matter cause the front wheels are never on the ground
-dion

[cudaboy_1971]

nice thot burnout.

everyone please post your FM radio equipment of choice. i'm still running AM in mine....it ran out of range the other day and almost took out a new tahoe sitting in a driveway. i woulda been seriously bummed had i dinged that car.

i think a coupla hundred bucks spent now on *MY* stuff would be better than a few hundred on someone elses.

whadyouall use?

[Chestnut]

Cuda
It's time to get a race guard !!Even with the FM you can get out of range and lose control.Most of the new FM's come equipted with low batery warning indicator and are programable. I like the ones that you can program for more than one car. I have the JRRACING XR3 only because it came with my Storm and it is setup for three cars.:cool: