LOSI XXX-4 Forum v1.0

[balakris]

Hi all:

I know this is a little presumptious, but does anyone know when this car is soming out? I've have heard Summer 2002! I hope so.


Arun Balakrishnan

[Taz_S]

Try x-mas.

[Possumbot]

i heard never, yep, losi says they have no plans mass produce a xxx-4, bk, mf, and yukka have all built them from xxx-s, but losi still won't mas produce them.

[Taz_S]

no they going to make it. the have to much of a good showing at the worlds and the are making new parts for the cars to test so i would look around the end of the year to summer next year.

The class needs a lift so a new car will give the class a big life.

[Possumbot]

give the class a big boost? how about another company making 1? it would get a big boost if ae made 1. A strong showing at the worlds isn't really suprising, losis always get the win.

[Taz_S]

Yea it would help if Yok, Shu, Kyo would get off there *** and put some money in ad to grow the sports. It would not take much.

You should try this web sit out not. http://www.rcproductdesigns.com

[azDan]

Attached are some pictures of my XXXS modified for off road. This is my second generation. My first didn't have enough front kickup and shock travel. I used many components from the XX4. The rear shock tower is fabrication from a NXT shock tower. The front utilizes the same but as an extension.:D

[azDan]

heres another picture of the front. I used a inverted xx4 front bulkhead and used some steel rod for longer hinge rods. Plus to add protection to the front I add a losi buggy rear thingy (I don't know what its called :confused: ) The conversion wasn't really to hard and I did it over a few nights.

[Possumbot]

did i read that u were using a pop bottle for a body? why not bolt up a tc body or a stadium truck body?

[azDan]

No...you must be thinking of another fella (Schumacher) who posted that he was using a pop bottle on his conversion. I might buy a older model cat 2000 body and use that for awhile. But I'm looking into thermo forming my own custom body.

I've ran the XXX4 conversion with both stock p2k2 and modified orion 10x2. And with the stock motor the car is a heck of alot faster than my xx4 is. and definately faster with the mod motor.

[Taz_S]

You should look that these. It looks more like a production car then the ones before.

http://pstr-m03.ygpweb.aol.com/data2/006/62/F7/19/02/acFCRhayeqI6ugIvxZvK42AxkSXnHsMq016A.jpg

http://pstr-m03.ygpweb.aol.com/data2/005/30/B7/C8/97/DpVZUJLueg-5j5H1iht4NjV5fx60RMTq00FA.jpg

http://pstr-m05.ygpweb.aol.com/data2/001/4A/AE/5A/94/+xLcXrNqn+ysvvEQAbAiNbpKNrXZuDMk00FA.jpg

Just look at the green belt, this as to be more of a team Losi guy car then any thing else the only big belt they make for the car is the blue one. This Cov kit look more like something team losi would put out.

[Bad-Andy]

Here's a couple pics of the conversion I made. I just used a sheet of t-6 alum. to make the towers from and robbed the suspension from my XX-4. As for the body it was home brewed from two sheets of lexan. I call it the FrankinLosi.

[Bad-Andy]

Here's the 2nd pic. I am currently sitting in the top 5 after 2 races in our points series with only running a 19T motor, compared to the same speed in my XX-4 with a 12x4 Reedy Fury.

the turnmarshall's T-shirt describes it best!

[azDan]

Cool pic'z Bad Andy! Is there anyone else out there whom has done a conversion???
What is would take my xx4 with a 11x2, the XXX4 could go just as faster with a 19t or 17t. The drivetrain is definately much friendlier to motors and SPEED.:D
My conversion isn't the cleanest but as long as it handles and goes fast. Waiting for a good body style then will start racing.

[HotTrick]

The pics that Taz_S posted also has a good view of the newly designed front arms on that car as well! It is not if they will release a xxx-4 but instead when? It is going to happen, I have no doubt and when they do I will own one. I have reason to believe that it will be released this year but only time will tell! I am also interested in the TC3 O conversion for the TC3, but am moving in about the time he will start to ship the kits so that will have to wait!

For the people who have done the conversions that also own
xx-4's, how much shorter is the wheel base between your xxx-4 and your xx-4, about a half an inch?

[Taz_S]

I think the photos i posted is a longer chassies. I think about the same as the XX-4 but not a long as the Cat3000

[Taz_S]

Bad-Andy: car look very good.

[kdh77]

check theese out

http://www.rcracer.com/n00_86.htm

[kdh77]

the xxx-4 is about 3/4 of the way down

[BlutoSigPi]

I tell ya what. If losi and Novak get their azz in gear, my next electric will be a XXX-4 with a brushless setup. I'm droolin already. :D

[schmacher]

i hope they come out with it real soon .i want a real body for my xxx-4 which is in the september issue or hi torque's r/c car =)

[schmacher]

and one with the body

[TRX250]

LOL, it looks like the Oscar Myer Wiener Mobile !:D

[schmacher]

maybe...but it works

[Possumbot]

i think losi has started producing them in secret. I was looking at matt francis's xxx-4 proto in car action, and they're right about the fact that they look like factory molded parts, and i remember somebody saying "molding parts is cheaper, when ur making thousands of them" with these 2 principals in mind, i think they took a note from traxxas, and realized its better to have something ready before you start hyping it a year in advance(?-maxx). Thats just my thought on it, but it would be sweet, i can't get parts for schumacher or yokomo out here, and i don't have any saddle packs, so no xx-4, and im willing 2 bet this will b cheaper than a tc3 and the conversion.

[tarvymoto]

My gut fealing is that Losi is in the midst of producing the XXX4. I think for release around Christmas. My guese is $249.

[Losiracer]

all i know is if gthey make one i want one. it is supossed to be a little longer sonce the chassis is longer nad most of the suspension looks from a xx-4 but i could be wrong to bad i wasnt at the worlds to check it out in action

[WheelNut]

I might get one, if I have cash, which I seriously doubt! I'm guessing $200-$230. Waaaaay cheaper than the TC3 conversion, thats over $350 w/the racer kit adn not to mention body, tires, wheels, adn shocks!

[TRX250]

Sorry Guys, I traded off my XX4 Worlds for a Traxxas Stampede.

[New Jack]

I have an extra XXX-S, but have been reluctant to try and attempt to make it into a XXX-4 as I keep hearing that the Production car is coming Soon!!! That's all I keep hearing, well When the Bleep is it coming out, how much, & where can I get my hands on one!!!!! I seen an excellent pic of it on Trinity's Tech Talk on the XXX-4 post over there!!!!

[rcruv]

Does anybody know what these pictures are?
Is XXX4 in the production already?

http://members.directvinternet.com/~sv650s/pub/pics/xxx4.jpg

http://members.directvinternet.com/~sv650s/pub/pics/xxx4chassi.jpg

[New Jack]

rcruv: Sweet!!!! I have seen the top pic, but the bottom one is new to me!!! I've heard it will be out late fall or early winter & pricing anywhere from $239-$269-$289!!!!!!:D :D :D I can't wait!!!!!!!!!!

[RCCadet]

Will the new kit use a standard touring wheel hex....anyone know?

[Nutter]

<detective Nutter sneaks in>

pssst.. SteveP posted a thread in the New Products Forum a few days ago, stating that he recieved a press release from Team Losi, with these pictures & news that the XXX-4 is in production! Unfortunately, the thread was deleted very quickly, so I'm thinking that he made a mistake & wasn't meant to let people know of the news just yet.

I can't remember the exact price he quoted, but I do remember that it was very close to the price of the MFE XXX-T, so either $239 or $249.


-Nutter

[New Jack]

RCCadet: No Clue on that one?????:confused: :confused: :confused:

Nutter: Do you by any chance recall the release date, or was that not revealed???????:( :( :(

[Nutter]

It *may* have been late September, but I can not remember for sure sorry, I wish I could. :( I didn't pay too much attention to the post at the time as I was in a hurry and figured I could re-read it later when I had more time.. guess that was a bad idea. :p


-Nutter

[racerdavid]

Release date "Late Fall"
Retail price $269

[tarvymoto]

RCCadet .. The XXX4 should use regular 2wd rears and XX4 fronts.

[tarvymoto]

It looks like the front and rear shocks are the same size. I would rather see some Ifmar pins on all 4 corners but that's. just my track. The fact that a few of the XXXS bits will fit is kind off cool;) . Just some random thoughts here. I'm ready for them to start shipping....how bout you guys?

[Backfire]

Originally posted by Nutter
<detective Nutter sneaks in>

pssst.. SteveP posted a thread in the New Products Forum a few days ago, stating that he recieved a press release from Team Losi, with these pictures & news that the XXX-4 is in production! Unfortunately, the thread was deleted very quickly, so I'm thinking that he made a mistake & wasn't meant to let people know of the news just yet.

I can't remember the exact price he quoted, but I do remember that it was very close to the price of the MFE XXX-T, so either $239 or $249.


-Nutter

In my opinion it probably wasn't a mistake. If Losi really wanted to keep it secret, why release anything?? Sounds to me like they wanted to start a buzz about the release so they put some photos out and got some help from RCCA:D.

It would be nice if Losi would come out with the "signature" edition close to the original release of the model. I think that would help with sales. The market for a 4wd would seem to be more on the racer/competition side rather than bashing anyway. A sig edition would probably fly off the shelves even more so than a standard kit, as people wouldn't hold off for one to be released. I, for one, will not be buying one until an optioned kit comes out. I am just tired of seeing companies release one version and then squeeze every possible dollar form people for the mods only to release the sig version a few years later when they feel they have reached a peak with current owners and need a new draw to sell kits. You can give me any excuse you want, but graphite parts usually come out pretty quickly after an initial release, and most of the other stuff like titanium, threaded shocks, bearing steering, etc are already available. So, whenever the XXX4 Steenari Edition is available, I'll be there with the cash:D Until then I will stick with my XXX KE;)

[New Jack]

Backfire: I hear ya, I just can't wait that long though, when the kit comes out "IT'S MINE", I think it's kinda fun to hop it up, though when the Signature comes out, I'll prolly get one of those & sell the first kit at a reasonable price to someone who may not be able to afford the Signature car or to some one new to the hobby to keep it going!!!!! I'm a sucker for new kits I guess!!!!!:D :D :D

[tarvymoto]

New jack , I'm with you. Sure I would buy the "sig kit" if I could , but I will buy the XXX4 as soon as the hobby shop says I can. I don't mind buying some treaded shock bodies and aluminum collars for it. When the graphite stuff comes out I will just replace broken parts with it. When the "Full On Team" kit comes out I will sell or give to my brother the standard kit...whoops..he's allready getting my XX4.:eek: or at least driving it ;)

[LouisB]

At last Losi has the new car on their site:D
No new info though

[New Jack]

Hey guys, word on the street is that Losi is @ the big R/C Show in Chicago this weekend & will prolly have a more definate release date announced to the public according to my LHS!!!!!:D :D :D

[CalmCyclone]

Nice looking car. I've been adding cars to my stable lately and I think a 4WD is next on the list.

Now I just have to decide between a super-duper, mamma-jamma, tricked-out, ultra-hopped-up XX-4 Worlds Edition and a so-new-it's-almost-experimental XXX-4.

Decisions, decisions...


CalmCyclone
R/C veteran, R/C racing newbie

[CalmCyclone]

heh

I put a $50 deposit down to be on the pre-order list for the XXX-4 at my LHS. They say it should be released in November sometime.


CalmCyclone
R/C veteran, R/C racing newbie

[yellafella321]

i'd really like to get one, and i love the look, but there are just no basher type tires that are made for buggies...:(. Unless truck tires fit? I don't hink so though...maybe truck Wheels?

[New Jack]

:D :D :D According to Horizon Hobby @ www.horizonhobby.com the XXX-4 is currently on back-order for $269. & will be available on Oct. 30th!!!!! Guess I won't be buying any Holloween candy this year, all my Holloween money is going to be put up for a XXX-4!!!!!!:D :D :D

[CalmCyclone]

They have some extra detail pics of the XXX-4 on the Team Losi XXX-4 Now in Production announcement page (http://www.teamlosi.com/newprod/2002prods/xxx4.htm). Just look under the two larger pics. Looking better and better...


CalmCyclone
R/C veteran, R/C racing newbie

[CalmCyclone]

Three more pics on Horizon Hobby's XXX-4 page (http://www.horizonhobby.com/products/description.asp?prod=LOSA0014&tag=ni) showing the easy-access diffs, rear suspension, and drive belt.

Can't wait...


CalmCyclone
R/C veteran, R/C racing newbie

[CalmCyclone]

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[CalmCyclone]

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[CalmCyclone]

(repeat post) Dang system won't let me delete my own posts! :confused: :mad:

[CalmCyclone]

By the way, if you want to see the picture in the middle of the Horizon Hobby page (with all the numbers on it) go to The real URL for the numbers pic (http://www.horizonhobby.com/shared/productimages/gallery/losa0014-callouts.gif). They just screwed up on the address to the pic.


CalmCyclone
R/C veteran, R/C racing newbie

[Clod_Killer]

I can't wait to get one.

[rccadude]

Hey, I found XXX4 in www.horizonhobby.com and shows that XXX4 will be available on Oct 30th! I hope that truth hurts! hehehe. Btw at my LHS carries Losi parts but they dont have TC3O parts. I am afraid to race and break my TC3O. I am not sure if I have to sell my TC3O. I think I have to get XXX4. I am wondering why Losi refuse to make shaft-drive for 4wd cars. What is positive and negative about shaft drive and belt drive? :cool:

[Backfire]

I wouldn't say that Losi "refuses" to make a shaft drive car, I think they choose belts because they feel it is a better setup. There are pluses and minuses for both. We have seen that both are capable platforms in the TC class, and I am sure the same will be proven in 4wd. I will be staying with Losi because I already have a number of replacement/tuning parts from my previous Losi cars and my XXX, and am more familiar with Losi cars. I don't know that one will have a huge performance advantage over the other, but the parts availability is one large bonus for the XXX-4 over the TC3O.

[CalmCyclone]

Losi made the XXX-4 belt-drive simply because it was cheaper to make an off-road version of the XXX-S than it would be to design a totally new vehicle. With the decreased interest in the 4WD class, going cheap was the best way to introduce a new vehicle.

I prefer belt-drive anyway - less drivetrain stress because of the belt(s).


CalmCyclone
R/C veteran, R/C racing newbie

[Tstalion79]

Guys. Two questions. Will the new xxx4 have the same problems with the front bulkhead breaking and stuff like my old xx4 did? Also, I am thinking of running the orion "8 turn" brushless motor in my xxx4. Is that a good idea? Thanks

[CalmCyclone]

Originally posted by Tstalion79
Guys. Two questions. Will the new xxx4 have the same problems with the front bulkhead breaking and stuff like my old xx4 did? Also, I am thinking of running the orion "8 turn" brushless motor in my xxx4. Is that a good idea? Thanks

The durability of the XXX-4 should mirror that of the XXX-S, because it's basically the same chassis. Therefore, I wouldn't think the bulkhead problem would show up. We won't know for sure until we start crashing into each other (and the pipes) on the track though.

In the last competition report I saw in one of the magazines, the top 10 4WD drivers were all running 9- and 10-turn motors. Therefore, a brushless that is the equivalent of an 8-turn would probably work. It wouldn't be too drivable on most tracks, but it would work.


CalmCyclone
R/C veteran, R/C racing newbie

[rccadude]

Originally posted by Backfire
I wouldn't say that Losi "refuses" to make a shaft drive car, I think they choose belts because they feel it is a better setup. There are pluses and minuses for both. We have seen that both are capable platforms in the TC class, and I am sure the same will be proven in 4wd. I will be staying with Losi because I already have a number of replacement/tuning parts from my previous Losi cars and my XXX, and am more familiar with Losi cars. I don't know that one will have a huge performance advantage over the other, but the parts availability is one large bonus for the XXX-4 over the TC3O.

I will be staying with Losi too. Because I won first place in three races with my XXX buggy. Wow I am happy with my XXX buggy. I am going to get XXX4 for serious race because of my LHS carries lot of Losi parts. Probably I will sell my TC3O without electronics for less.:cool:

[yann]

The day one it is the 30 october? Have you more information on the date of the availablity of the XXX-4?

[CalmCyclone]

According to Horizon Hobby, the XXX-4 will be available on October 30th.

However, they have the same date for the JR XR3i radio, and my local hobby shop already has one (they got it last Thursday).

I'd say it should be in stores sometime between now and the 30th.


CalmCyclone
R/C veteran, R/C racing newbie

[tarvymoto]

My LHS called to check on the XXX4 and they were told that the kits are on the ship and on there way here , but that the docks where about 10 days behind schedule. It should be soon. ;)

[New Jack]

:confused: WHY would the XXX-4's be on any ship????? Are they not made in the good 'ol USA as they claim or are they boxed in Mexico?????? That sounds like a line of Bull Sh*t to me!!!!!!:confused: :confused: :confused:

[New Jack]

My LHS is on the "Fast Forward Ship Program" from Losi, I will be getting my XXX-4 early/late next week!!!!!!!!:D :D :D

[tarvymoto]

New Jack , great point! They should be made in the USA. I'm calling the LHS back to see ***

[New Jack]

tarvymoto: Don't let them (Losi or Horizon Hobby) tell you some lame excuse like that!!!!! My LHS has just confirmed to me that they will be shipping to him some time this week, but as I said he is on the "Fast Forward Ship Program", ask your LHS if they are on that program otherwise it may be a little while longer if not!!!!!;)

[tarvymoto]

I talked to my LHS again today...I should have mine a week from today:cool:

[Tstalion79]

nice, keep us posted

[adim_x]

I will have my xxx4 on friday, i am sooooooooooo PSYCHEEEDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDDD i cant wait to put that thing together, i have a gt7 and a p94 10 triple waiting for that badboy, horizon is shipping them tomorrow, anyone know what threaded shocks will fit it,

[tarvymoto]

Adminx and Newjack , how much are you guys paying for your kits?

[adim_x]

im not sure, someone on ebayt has one for 299, i think thats a little steep, mine will probably be about 250, but i get a little discount with my lhs

[New Jack]

tarvymoto: I will be getting mine at a discount from my Dealer as well, they are on sale for $269.99 with tax around $294.00!!!! I will prolly get mine on Friday or Monday!!!!! I can't wait either I have a P94 Matt Francis Worlds Edition in the red can 10 X 2, it will most definatly FLY!!!!!!:D :D :D

[CalmCyclone]

Dayum! I didn't realize they'd be coming this quick.

My LHS is only charging around $235, including 3 free races (normally $30) for a special deal for those of us that put our deposit down before Sept 30th.

I can hardly wait to see the XXX-4 screaming around our track...


CalmCyclone
R/C veteran, R/C racing newbie

[rccadude]

Originally posted by Backfire
So, whenever the XXX4 Steenari Edition is available, I'll be there with the cash:D Until then I will stick with my XXX KE;)

When do you think XXX4 Steenari Editiion will be available? Just wondering.:cool:

[Backfire]

Originally posted by rccadude
When do you think XXX4 Steenari Editiion will be available? Just wondering.:cool:

Probably 1.5-2 years down the road(like the other sig. edition kits), once Losi has squeezed every last cent out of racers for kits+upgrades. :D :rolleyes: Actually, I bet sales of the new kit will dictate timing. If sales of the standard kit are slower than expected, maybe they bring out the signature kit faster to create more interest. Only time will tell:)

[rccadude]

Do you think Matt Francis' favorite color is red and Brian Kinwald's favorite color is blue? IF yeah... What Steenari's favorite color??:cool:

[CalmCyclone]

I'd say neon yellow, but the wheels of the regular kit are already yellow. They don't want to make the color similar to the other Signature kits.

So ... I think some sort of bright purple would work best. Or maybe they'll just do white. :D :cool: :rolleyes: :eek: :p


CalmCyclone
R/C veteran, R/C racing newbie

[Backfire]

White would actually be great! The problem with the colored rims is its difficult to integrate into a paint scheme. The yellow can even be diffifult to fit sometimes. I am not a fan of the bright colors; in fact, I have removed all blue parts from my XXXKE. Even stripped the Trinity shock collars of color and polished them. I like the approach they took with the XXXNT leaving most components black.

[adim_x]

hello guys, i was curious, i have never had a 4 wd electric buggy, will i be able to run a set up similar to my xxx kinwald, or will i need a completely new set up, despite being 4wd i think all the losi vehicles drive very similar, do you guys have anything special you would do for your xx4 thanks adim_X

[Tstalion79]

Hey Adam. The only difference is that with 4wd you can easily use more power. I dont know what kind of motor you have for your xxx, but you can really use anything wtih 4wd (10 turn is very popular). Other than that you should be set.

[adim_x]

I have a p94 10 triple im gonna put in it, it might not be the right wind, but its what i got, i know its faster than heck. i cant wait to put this thing together, i am going to do my drafting all day tomorrow, then saturday is going to be a marathon build, so i can race it sunday

[rccadude]

Originally posted by CalmCyclone
I'd say neon yellow, but the wheels of the regular kit are already yellow. They don't want to make the color similar to the other Signature kits.

So ... I think some sort of bright purple would work best. Or maybe they'll just do white. :D :cool: :rolleyes: :eek: :p


CalmCyclone
R/C veteran, R/C racing newbie
Losi World (http://www.action-rc.com/losiworld/index2.htm)

Hey no WHITE!!!!!! I want to see different colors that Losi could make. Purple could be coolest. I rather dark purple as dark blue of Kinwald Edition. What do you think of dark green? Hmmm.:cool:

[New Jack]

rccadude: I'm all for Neon Green, that's what color mine will be within hrs. of having the kit. I dye my rims to match my paint scheme. Losi has confirmed that all kits were shipped out to the Hobby Shops yesterday (Thursday) from Illinois, so everybody should be able to get thier hands on them by Monday or possibly Tuesday at the Latest!!!!

[adim_x]

Hey guys i just wanted to show you a pic of my xxx4, before i tear open the box like a gitty little school girl

[CalmCyclone]

:p :p :p :p :p :p :p

I can't get mine yet 'cause I'm at work, darnit. Take some pics of the assembly process and post 'em up for us.


CalmCyclone
R/C veteran, R/C racing newbie

[Backfire]

Does the foot come with the kit?:D :D

I almost broke down and bought one from my LHS today, but decided to wait it out. Aside from not wanting to spend the extras on upgrades before a sig. kit is released, no parts are out yet, so one false move and I have a $270 paper weight until Losi starts to ship parts. Plus I like to let others iron out the initial problems with the kits:cool: It was tempting to grab it though, I must admit. Being the first in the area to have one would be cool!! It looked like the rear arms might be the same as the XXCR/XXX but it was hard to tell from the pictures. The fronts looked new though, and those are what I was worried about breaking. Don't be shy about giving us your opinions on the kit parts once you get it opened up :p

[tarvymoto]

Backfire , so I take it that your money is in bonds and comercial paper?
Anyway , I'm buying one on Tuesday when my LHS gets them in.:cool:

[Gutter Ball]

I am so jealous! But I won't be getting one until Spring when our outdoor season starts again :)

[Backfire]

tarvymoto - Not quite sure I follow, but it is late, so maybe I will get it tomorrow morning:) I just don't like to dump money where it isn't needed, especially when I know that in the future it will be much cheaper to get the kit+upgrades in one. I realize that Losi needs to make money, and that is why they are in the business to begin with, I just don't like some of the approaches to do so. So I won't buy one now. It doesn't do a whole lot of good to complain about the delayed upgraded kits like some people do, and then turn around and buy the kit right when it comes out. If people didn't buy them right away and waited, Losi would probably be forced to bring the upgrade kits out earlier. Plus, we have a hard time putting together a 4wd class here, so I will get to gage renewed interest before spending the money as well. Just my thought on it anyway, I am certainly not trying to give anyone who has or will buy one a hard time. That was not my goal at all.

Oh, and about a earlier question of yours concerning where the kits are produced. It is my understanding that Losi parts are made and bagged (maybe just the assembly bags in kits, and not individual part bags) overseas. Then when the assembly bags are shipped to the US, they are put into the kit boxes. That is how they can say ".....in the USA". So they are manufactured overseas where it's cheaper, and assembled into kits in the US. Kind of a sneaky way to do it. I don't think Losi is alone in that practice however.

[tarvymoto]

Backfire , I'm with you...I'd rather have the graphite kit be available from the start. On the other hand I'm pumped up about the XXX4 and I'm going to buy one of the standard kits next week. There are 5 or 6 guys at my track that are waiting for them to come in , so we should have enough racers for a 4wd class next Saturday.

I'm just going to enjoy the standard kit with out throwing too many hop ups at it...maybe just some threaded shock bodies.

[Backfire]

I do hope the kit is high quality and works very well. That only increases the chances of 4wd making a comback, which I am very much in favor of!! I am excited about the new kit too! I hope you really enjoy yours.

SO, adim_x, what's the deal? You post pictures but no follow up? You must have fallen asleep at the table building last night:D I know that feeling quite well. Are the rear arms the same as the XXX? How about shock length?

[adim_x]

Hello,
hey backfire, the rear arms are the same as the xxx, the front shocks seem a bit longer, but not much, maybe .1 the rears look identical, i dont really know what else to tell ya, this thing was a breeze to build, losi quality

[tarvymoto]

Admin , looks good man.

[Backfire]

Cool, thanks for the info. Glad to hear the build went well! Have you driven it yet?

[New Jack]

Hey if anyone races thiers' this weekend let me know which pinion seems to work best, I won't be able to race mine 'til Next Weekend, I'll be running the Trinity P94 Matt Francis Worlds Edition 10x2, that motor looks sweet in all red!!!!!:D :D :D

[tarvymoto]

New Jack , I thought the MF wind was an 11x2 ... or are they making more winds in the red can? I have a MF 11x2 that I haven't used yet;) . I've been out of the loop lately and didn't know that they were making more winds in the red can.

[tarvymoto]

As you guys get your kits....post some pics like Adminx. I'll have mine on Tues or Wed and will post a pic before I race it on Saturday.

[New Jack]

:confused: Tarvymoto: I thought all the MF edition motors were in red(???):confused: :confused: :confused: , I did just get one in that was 11 turn & sent it back for a 10 turn, I'll find out on Wednesday I guess!!!!!

[rcboy618]

i think if they make a xxx-4 jukka edition, the wheel color would be green(like his body)

[Tstalion79]

no because kanai already has the green rims.

[Tstalion79]

And if they made a special edition xxx4 it should be the Rick Hohwart xxx-4, seeing as he pretty much dominates 4wd.

[rccadude]

Hey adim_x, I am wondering how you get XXX4 earlier and where did u get it from?

I seen stormerhobbies and horizonhobbies are still on order. Oh well.:rolleyes:

[Tstalion79]

I think he got it from his hobby shop.

PS ADAM- EMAIL ME, I SENT YOU THE PAYMENT IN PAYPAL

[New Jack]

:D :D :D I will be getting my XXX-4 today, here in a few hrs. I can't wait, I will be dying my rims neon green & putting a Matt Francis Worlds Edition 10x2 motor, may try to race it this weekend or next @ Mike's in Carrollton (Dallas)!!!!!:D :D :D

[Backfire]

Mike's normally doesn't have a class for 4wd due to lack of interest. We didn't run one this past weekend, and since he only got two kits in, might be kinda hard to field a class this week too. By the way, are you buying the kit from Mike's? Plus, no parts shipped yet, so you may want to just take it easy on it until you can get front arms, etc.

[CalmCyclone]

Originally posted by rccadude
Hey adim_x, I am wondering how you get XXX4 earlier and where did u get it from?

I seen stormerhobbies and horizonhobbies are still on order. Oh well.:rolleyes:

If your hobby shop offered a pre-order program, they were released on Thursday and arrived on Friday. Some hobby shops also offered big discounts on them too (mine did :D ).


CalmCyclone
R/C veteran, R/C racing newbie

[CalmCyclone]

We had around eight pre-orders, and most of them were available for racing on Saturday morning. Unfortunately, every one of them broke one or more parts by the end of the race day. The front arms and rear shock tower are very fragile and need to be re-designed or something.

Makes me glad I haven't put mine together yet...


CalmCyclone
R/C veteran, R/C racing newbie

[New Jack]

Backfire: No, I bought mine from my LHS here in Longview (Big Mike's), he got in three kits one that was resereved by myself & one that was reserved by another guy who races @ Mike's quite regularly R.J. Scadden & his dad Reggie, I will talk to them this friday night as we race here locally about whether or not they will go up there this weekend or next with there's, if Mike has 5 or more entries I bet he'll run a class or maybe not:confused: :confused: :confused: :D :D :D!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Backfire]

Oh, if you can get enough guys together I am sure he will run a class!! It just might be tough to get enough guys. He might even run you with less than normal just so people can see the class and generate interest. You should call him up and talk to him. I knew RJ ran 4wd, in fact, he was one of only two guys who registered for 4wd at the Region 9 regionals Mike's held a week ago. There wasn't even enough interest at regionals to run, that is why I said it might be tough to get the class going. But hopefully the new kits will restore interest and get the class going again. That 4wd should be a blast on the tight track at Mike's.

[Clod_Killer]

I can't wait to get mine, but I hope the breakage is taken care of quickly if it turns out to be a probem.

[New Jack]

Yeah, Backfire I understand. This thing is SWEEEEEEEET!!!!! The new belt is bit wider & a different color, the chassis is slightly longer than the XXX-S but basically the same most all the holes line up with the XXX-S chassis. I can't wait to get it done & drive this Mutha!!!!!!:D :D :D

[cabbynate]

Got mine 2day!!!!!;)
I can't say I will put it together soon. I need to get a aluminum motor clamp and some Lunsfords. Any one know the sizes?

[SCHMACH]

got mine...really fun to build

[Tstalion79]

Nice schumach....interesting body......

[tarvymoto]

I got mine today as well. I will post a pic when it's done.

[New Jack]

Tarvymoto: According to Stormerhobbies.com the 10 turn MF worlds Edition is in a red can as well!!!! I'm almost done putting mine together still have to install electronics, paint body, & make my rims green!!!! Will try to post a pic of it later this week or next!!!!:D :D :D ATTN: Is it just me or does everybody else's kit not have the rear spoiler mounts right for the bottom set of screws??????:confused: :confused: :confused:

[Backfire]

What kind of spur gear is used in the kit? Does it use a pre-existing Losi spur, or is it yet another new design? I know it uses the XXX-S layout, but the XXX-4 has a slipper and I don't think the XXX-S does.

[CalmCyclone]

New Jack -

I've seen some kits with only two sets of holes (the top and bottom, but not middle), so no matter which way you mount them, you can only use one screw per wing mount. Apparently some were drilled wrong.

I've got mine partially built. My LHS is getting upgrade parts in, and I decided to put some of them on right away. I'll be getting the XXX-S/4 ball-bearing steering kit, graphite front arms, graphite front arm mounts, and graphite front and rear shock towers.

I'm building mine with 5° of front kickup, 1° of rear anti-squat, 2° of rear toe-in, 0° of front toe-in (or maybe even 1° of toe-out), -2° front camber, and -1° rear camber. Oh, and I put the 41-tooth pulley in the front for some over-drive action.


CalmCyclone
R/C veteran, R/C racing newbie

[cabbynate]

Has anyone tried the one-way yet up front yet? I think it may stop some of the front arm breaks.

[CalmCyclone]

I was thinking about it, but I'll probably wait a week or two. Besides, I still have to get a radio and electrics for it.


CalmCyclone
R/C veteran, R/C racing newbie

[New Jack]

CalmCyclone: Do you have Part #'s for the Graphite stuff (A-arms & Shock towers & what not)????? If so & if you don't mind sharing the knowledge could you email me @ number88djfan@aol.com to let me know!!!! ;) ThanXXX!!!! :D :D :D

[CalmCyclone]

The listing of upgrade parts is on the back page of one of the sheets that came in the kit - the exploded view one I think. The part numbers are there, along with the retail cost.

I'd give them to you, but I don't have the sheets with me, sorry.


CalmCyclone
R/C veteran, R/C racing newbie

[Spurdog28]

I got mine monday and it is built and running. My rear wing mounts were fine. We run a tough truck class with the XX-4's with the truck bodies. The rear mounts are fine but I am working on something for the front mounts.

[New Jack]

CalmCyclone: That's cool I have mine obviously, I just didn't look that far into it!!!!:rolleyes: ThanXXX for the Info.!!!!!:D

[rccadude]

Why Losi dont make same shocks on original and edition buggy?? XXX4 shocks looks old. It suppose to be new shocks like edition buggy and truck.:cool:

[CalmCyclone]

They look old because they are old - they're the same shocks from the original XX-4. They have to make money on us, so they give us the old stuff first. We have to upgrade to the new threaded shocks, or the Steenari Edition XXX-4.

I'm going to see if I can get a XX-4 Worlds Edition for cheap, and compare the two Losi 4WDs. I'll drive the one I like the best in the 2002 NORRCA Off-Road WinterNationals (that my local track is hosting) in December.


CalmCyclone
R/C veteran, R/C racing newbie

[adim_x]

does anyone know what size the steering bearings for this kit are

[G24racer]

The Steering Bearings are 5mm x 7mm.

[tarvymoto]

5mm X 8mm

[cabbynate]

5mmx8mm

[New Jack]

I don't mean to sound like a broken record, but they're 5mm X 8mm, same size as the bushings as listed in Fig. 28, Pg 12!!!!!!!:D :D :D

[CalmCyclone]

Just buy the XXX-S steering bearing kit - it's cheaper than buying them separately (save $3 - whoopee!! :D ) and you know you have the right size bearings.


CalmCyclone
R/C veteran, R/C racing newbie

[adim_x]

thanks for the info, i bought a set of tema bluestar bearings off of ebay, i wanted to make sure that it had these bearings in it, and it does, thanks for the info, i didnt realize the manual had the sizes

[G24racer]

Sorry for my mistake guys.

[Tstalion79]

Adam- why do you always buy bluestar bearings? You also had them in the XR that you sold to me.

[New Jack]

Man, just got done painting my body & wing, & installing electronics, took it for a test spin. I liked the way it handled, let a buddy drive it, he just barely hit the wall & broke an A-arm, man I knew those things were brittle (Junk), so now I'm determined to order Graphite everything for it!!!!!!!!!! I didn't even get a full battery through it:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Backfire]

Originally posted by New Jack
Man, just got done painting my body & wing, & installing electronics, took it for a test spin. I liked the way it handled, let a buddy drive it, he just barely hit the wall & broke an A-arm, man I knew those things were brittle (Junk), so now I'm determined to order Graphite everything for it!!!!!!!!!! I didn't even get a full battery through it:mad: :mad: :mad:

Guess that means you won't be running at Mike's (Carrollton) tomorrow? He got some more kits in today, and it sounds like there are a handful of guys who are going to form a class here. Most are running at the Regional nitro onroad race this weekend, but are planning to start in on 4wd once onroad is done for the season. Sorry to hear about your a-arm, I know everyone in the area seems to have arms on order, but not in stock:( Do you think the weak arms is a bi-product of material choice or poor design? I hope it is not poor design, the last thing 4wd needs is another brittle car to frustrate drivers and halt the regrowth of the class once again.

Oh, how did the "pegged" slipper system work?

[New Jack]

Backfire: I think the A-arms are very Brittle I could tell by the way they felt, I'm not knocking Losi, but they need to do something about them!!!! They have they included a exploded version of instructions with Graphite alternate parts, & that's what I'm doing. R.J. got his kit the same day as me, but has not put his kit together yet as his dad ordered everything Graphite for it & will put it together when it all gets here!!!!! (GOOD IDEA)!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!;)

[tarvymoto]

I haven't driven mine yet but on the track these things are balistic. A friend of mine broke a front arm and a rear shock tower over a 2 day period . I hope the breakage problems are improved but even now I'm backing this car 100%. Losi has made an awesome car that is going to bring back the 4wd class STRONG.

[adim_x]

hey teddy, the bluestar bearings seems to be pretty good, plus i got a kit for the xxxs on ebay for 20 bucks, i couldnt pass that up, i needed new outdrive bearing for my xxx also, it nice to have whole sets, the kit had the bearings i needed for steering my xxx4, still have not driven it yet, i am going to put my electronics in it tonight,, i got some graphite front arms for the xxx4, im gonna put them on after i break the old ones

[adim_x]

i have a trinity p 94 10x3 what pinion should i run with the stock spur gear, any suggestions would help, i run on a small fast, sticky a $ $ red clay indoor track, i need to shoot out of corners

[sixandeightstringer]

Hey, can any of you guys who have the XXX-4 already do me a big favor? I just did a rally conversion on a XXX-S, and I bought the slipper clutch pieces for the XXX-4 so I can add them to my car; however, I've never put a slipper clutch together, and of course, buying them separately, I didn't get instructions. Any chance that one of you guys could scan and email the page or two concerning the slipper assembly so I can feel confident putting it together? Losi doesn't have this manual online yet, or I'd just get it from them.

Please email me at sixandeightstringer@yahoo.com to let me know... I'd really appreciate it! Check out details of my "XXX-R" at our board topic! (http://www.sixfoottiger.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?p=878)

[tarvymoto]

Adimx , go with a 17 tooth to start. If it doesn't have enough squirt.....go to a 16.

[adim_x]

i raced my xxx4 for the first time sunday, went with a 18t pinion, thats what the intsructiions, recommended, that thing was like a rocket ship, i made it through 3 qualifiers with no breaks, and had some pretty hard crashes, FIRST lap of the main, i snapped a front arm, i got some graphite ones to replace it with though, overall this thing was awesome, the kit setup was dialed to, although i need to put some shock limiters inside my shocks, i was really impressed, i was the only xxx4 to make it to the main

[sixandeightstringer]

Any chance that one of you guys could scan and email the page or two concerning the slipper assembly?

[Tstalion79]

that's awesome Adam!!!

[rccadude]

This Saturday, I will check out what XXX4 looks like in person at local indoor track. Also see how many people will race their XXX4 this Saturday. I think it is going to be awesome race. I can wait for this Saturday.:cool:

[cabbynate]

I'm thinkin the one-way will be the way to go. I talked to Adam Drake and he said that most of the team Losi guys use them.

[Buggysmasher]

Help !!!!!!
My exploded views and parts numbers seem to have gone walkies :mad::mad:

Would anyone be so good as to Email the above To : buggysmasher@aol.com
Thanks dudes :D :D ;)

[Buggysmasher]

Added to above post
Part Numbers sheet & Exploded views sheet for Team Losi XXX4
Thanks again:)

[Buggysmasher]

No need to send parts list or Exploded views got um.
a big thanks Raffaele:D :D :D :D

[sixandeightstringer]

I'm still hoping someone can send me a copy of the slipper instructions...

(please please please!)

sixandeightstringer@sixfoottiger.com

[Buggysmasher]

Hi sixandeightstringer
Iwill Email the list & pics within 24 hours my friend :D :D ;)

[sixandeightstringer]

Got it - Muchas Gracias!

[cprclark]

Would someone please email me the exploded views of the new XXX-4 buggy to my home email address.

cprclark@attbi.com

Thanks,

Rob :)

[psychofactor]

hey man just go to teamlosi.com they got plenty of pics.

[psychofactor]

This thing is ballistic a couple guys were running them at the track Friday night. OH MY!!! Is all I can say! Ordered mine Saturday Morning. Get it Tuesday!! WooHoo!!!

The one thing we noticed is the new car doesn't like bumpy tracks (WORSE) than the old one at least with the stock setup anyway.

We'll have to do some tweaking.

[Tstalion79]

I very well may be wrong, but I think that I know why. In the case of the original XX4, it was built to be an off road buggy. It even came before its street weapon sister car. The xxx4 was, however, first built as a touring car, so may not be really "bred" to jump.

[Buggysmasher]

Yo Psychofactor
O yes the XXX4 is very Quick love how it drives i quite like how it handles off road but i must say my set-up is different from the standard kit, i have a graphite car which i have used for the last 6 months,a conversion which i machined up shock towers ect ect but that has now been retired and have built-up a full new spec graphite car, titanium screws, threaded shocks, titanium pivot supports which i have machined, ect but wait for it theres a brushless in it at the moment i can tell ya the guys at the races do a lot of droolin. Will post up pics and set-ups very soon :D :D ;)
I think cprclark is talkin about the exploded views not the pics on the losi site
which ive sent him:)
catch ya later

[psychofactor]

the car runs great off-road and jumps extremely well. Just doesn't like the really ruff spot os the tracks gets tossed around. I think it is just a matter of tuning though. ride hieght and spring and oil combo should get the thing to stick like glue.
Can't wait till tomorrow!! Leaveing work early yo get it.:D

[psychofactor]

the car runs great off-road and jumps extremely well. Just doesn't like the really ruff spot os the tracks gets tossed around. I think it is just a matter of tuning though. ride hieght and spring and oil combo should get the thing to stick like glue.
Can't wait till tomorrow!! Leaveing work early yo get it.:D

[Buggysmasher]

always nice to leave work early dude:D
will get up some pics soon and set ups, try this site which willbe opening early next year planet-rc.com it is under construction at the moment but theres some very cool stuff on the way for this hot rod;)
keep that single belt screamin:cool:

[Tstalion79]

Well it's final. Im getting an xxx4 for x mas. Hopefully by then the "jukka" edition or something will be out...

[Backfire]

Originally posted by Tstalion79
Well it's final. Im getting an xxx4 for x mas. Hopefully by then the "jukka" edition or something will be out...

Glad to here your getting one, but don't hold you breath for a signature edition. The regular kits will have been out for only two months by the time christmas rolls around. That would be very unlike Losi to bring it out so quick. And don't forget the other kits due out this year still: the graphite XXX-S and the electric RTRs.

[Tstalion79]

True. I heard that it is very important to have graphite arms and shock towers because the stock "stiffzel" is extremely brittle.

[Buggysmasher]

Graphite is lighter and also more rigid than stiffzel just dont smack the boards at the track, my XXX4 is graphite and nothing has cracked or broken. in fact stiffzel is abit more forgiving than graphite but weighs alittle more, with graphite the longer the parts have been made after manufacture the less likely they are to break being that they absorb moisture like most plastics.
as for a Worlds edition XXX4 i think u will be waiting till chrismas 2003 at the very soonest more like nearer chrismas 2004 me thinks

[New Jack]

That Stiffezel is for the most part "JUNK", I barely hit a board & broke a Front shock tower, & my buddy barely rubbed a board with a dead battery & broke the front A-arm, Graphite all the way, I wouldn't even attempt to race your XXX-4 without having spare parts or Graphite (atleast for the suspension parts anyways), I'm getting graphite everything except for the chassis & battery bar, but will get those later, as they are lighter!!!!:D :D :D

[Tstalion79]

Guys, i dont know about 4wd, but in some cases you can make your car TOO light. I guess its not the case with the xxx4, or is it?

[tarvymoto]

Unless you can do something to lighten your batteries, motor and ESC...you don't have to worry about your car being too light.

I think that Losi made the stifazhel formular for the XXX4 just a bit too rigid...and without the graphite particals...that resulted in a material that is more prone to breakage. They will make some adjustments to the formula. For now just buy graphite parts when you have a breakage.

This minor problem still doesn't change the fact that Losi has developed a very very nice car. This thing has raised the bar and is the car to beat in 4wd.

[SMcpot]

It took a car like this to get me back into offroad again. With Yokomo not seeming to care about the U.S. market, and parts for Schumachers damn near impossible to find, this looks like it's gonna be pretty popular here.

Mine should be here sometime next week. Pics to come soon :D

[New Jack]

I do agree this buggy is SWEEEEEEEEEEET, but the stock stuff is just horrible, I'm not knocking Losi one bit, as I have in the last year converted from an 11 year stint with nothing but Associated to full blown LOSI!!!!!!!! This Buggy is the Shizzel, just something to be patient with as far as the stock suspension vs. Graphite suspension parts!!!!! You pretty much can't go wrong with Graphite, then again don't get me wrong if you drive FULL speed head on in to a wall it will break as well, but not even close to being as brittle as Stiffezel!!!!!!;)

[Spurdog28]

All I know is I have broken 3 front arms, and it was just from slapping the front tires on the wall, no head on collisions or anything. But man it is fast :)

[psychofactor]

DOn't hit things and it won't break!!:D

On a more serious note. A few guys at the track had thjem and they were beating the piss out of them on a very small tight track with good sized jumps running a P-94 15x2. Flipping, bashing rubbing and they didn't break a thing!! Looked a hole lot more durable than the xx-4(Hate fixing that damn thing, reason for sale) Found out that my XXX-4 is out of stock!!!:mad:

Can't wait to get it though!

[CalmCyclone]

We had one (non-WE) XX-4 and several XXX-4s racing last night, and neither model appeared to be durable.

The XX-4 took a nice full-speed head-on hit to a pipe (driver was a first-timer at our track) and broke the chassis just aft of the front suspension. The front chassis cover also perished in the collision.

The XXX-4s also had a bad night, breaking parts left and right. Most notable was one driver breaking a graphite front arm, right where it mounts to the inner hinge pin. I think that was on a 'normal' landing off the one triple jump on our track.

Even with all the breakage, I'd still prefer to be racing my XXX-4, instead of selling it...


CalmCyclone
R/C veteran, R/C racing newbie

[New Jack]

:confused: Psychofactor: Are you sure those XXX-4's didn't have graphite parts on them, I'm tellin' ya, I could run over an ant & just about break some of these stock parts (J/K!!!!!), Seriously if you get a XXX-4 the Graphite is almost a Mandatory upgrade!!!!! I do love this thing though, I won't dare race it until I get all my graphite stuff for it though as well as maybe a few spare parts too!!!! I've got graphite front & rear arms for it everything else is on back order, everybody wants the stuff, I understand that!!!!:D :D :D

[psychofactor]

humm, must of just had a good night I guess. But, this guy was stinking up the joint with his driving and it didn't break a thing. Just smacked something and off it went again to do it all over again. I almost felt bad for the car it hit so many things.:D

But, I think I will take your advise and get some Arms & Shock Towers.

[Backfire]

New Jack,

If you need graphite parts now, you could call Mike's(Carrollton). I know he has graphite arms, and I think he has the shock towers as well.

[New Jack]

Backfire: I picked up my rear Graphite arms today, already had the Fronts, & the rest of my stuff (Graphite) will be here on Friday, the only thing left that I ordered that is still on back order is the rear sway bar!!!!! I may be up to Mike's in a week or two!!!!!!! :D :D :D

[Tstalion79]

Guys. How does hte xxx4 compare to the schumacher and yokomo?

[Spurdog28]

As an FYI graphite is more brittle and will break faster. I will admit I have broken a few front arms but for my 2 cents I am sticking to plastic... And if you insist I will gladly purchase another XXX-4 for parts. :)

[Tstalion79]

Yeah i heard that in 4wd if you want to race it is an absolute must to have a whole different car for parts/backup.

And no, plastic is not more brittle than graphite. Stiffzel is, but not plastic.

[New Jack]

FYI: Graphite is MUCH better, I don't know of any Driver's edition car that comes with Stiffezel/plastic, Graphite is where it is at!!!!:rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[mr.c]

I was at a race last weekend and as you might think , the 4wd class had renewed crowd . I have to thank Losi for give the class a jump start again and for helping the sale of all the other cars . We had two heats in 4wd and only ONE xxx-4 finished the night , and he had reinforced his stock parts with fiberglass . I was the only Schumacher in the class and there were about six tc3-o's , none of which broke . All I can think is that Losi is making a killing in parts sales . :D

[New Jack]

mr c: You are correct on Losi making money on parts!!!!!:eek: But, I do have to admit I love this car it is sweet, if you get one get the Graphite suspension parts anyways (F/R A-arms, F/R Shock Tower, & Diff. covers)!!!!! I've got all graphite on mine already as it has broke the stock stuff twice by barely rubbing a board!!!! Hit a board last night with my Graphite gear on board, bounced off & kept on rollin'!!!!:D I think I really need a rear sway bar as the car really pushes in/out of the corners!!!!!:D

[New Jack]

Backfire: I think they are gonna race some 4wd's @ Mike's now, R.J. will be there next Saturday with his XXX-4, I may or may not make it as well!!!!!!:) :D :)

[archon]

Hi,

I just got the xxx4 last week but Losi forgot to include the instructions!!! They said they would send um over to me but its been more than 5 days and it seems they have forgot. :mad: They are located just a few hours from me and if there not here yet then I will just have to go through all the hoops again next week.

Does anyone here mind faxing or emailing a scanned copy over to me? I wouldnt mind hooking you up with 20 bucks if I can get a clear copy tonight.

Thanks

Mark mgr@vpc.net

[Tstalion79]

hmmmm, it is impossible that they would not include instructions because as of about a year ago they got a machine that weighs every single kit to a 1/1000 th of an oz. accuracy.....

[archon]

I think they just use that for their parts bags. Trust me there were no instructions. They also didnt debate that fact when I spoke with them. Im just tired of waiting for their poor customer service and was wondering if anyone could help me out.

[Backfire]

Originally posted by New Jack
Backfire: I think they are gonna race some 4wd's @ Mike's now, R.J. will be there next Saturday with his XXX-4, I may or may not make it as well!!!!!!:) :D :)

Cool, they had 9 guys out there today. Pretty impressive times, but the front arms were snapping one after another:( Every one snapped in the same place, around the inner hinge pins. And the type of crashes really make it look like a poorly designed piece. Except for one crash that I can think of, every other break was due to a less than severe crash. What I mean by that is you could drive a 2wd XXX into the same type of crash and 95% of the time not break, but with the XXX-4 its probably the opposite percentage. First heat, 3 out of 9 finished. Second heat was a little better with 5 out of 9. I didn't stay for the remaining heats. It was fun watching with every waiting for the next 'snap' which was followed by laughter by both the driver and spectators:D:D Atleast people were in good spirits about it. I don't think any of the 9 cars made through practice or the first two heats without breaking an arm or tower. The shop wound up opening the remaining kits to get some additional arms for the racers:D Definitely a quick car, but they need to bulk up the A-arms around the inner hinge pins.

[New Jack]

Backfire: My stock arms broke in that very same spot, that's why I've got my full suspension in Graphite, so hopefully I shouldn't break anything!!!!;) I know how brittle that stuff is, that's why I converted mine (I planned on it anyways) would have done it later, but when I broke it both times I ran it with the stock stuff, it was time for the change.:D This thing absolutely flies!!!!:D :D :D

As for the the kit missing items, I've seen several poeple post on here that they needed instructions, I assume for the same reason, HMMMMM, and as I think about it my kit was missing the threaded insert that the motor clamp screws into, as well as coming with the XX-4 wing mounts vs. the XXX-4 wing mounts, so they may need to get thier scales re-calibrated!!!!:rolleyes: :p :rolleyes: Either way it doesn't matter to me, I still think this buggy is the best ever 4WD made, and with a little patience & tweaking, it will be just fine!!!!:D :D :D

[G24racer]

Today I ran a oneway in my XXX4 for the first time and the car is just awesome with it. It turns great now and pulls out of the corners very hard. Without the oneway the car pushed bad going in. I tried a rear swaybar and that didn't help much with the push. The track I race on is hard packed, little bumpy and somewhat tight. I've been running graphite front arms with everything else stock. I ran 4 practice packs and 3 heat races with no broken parts. In one heat race I cliped a pipe with the left front tire and rolled the car 3 times and nothing broke. I was a little shocked. Then in the main I missed judged a pipe by 2 or 3 inches and broke a front arm. I hit it a ton though. So far I am very pleased with the XXX4. When I first drove the car and didn't have the oneway in it I was disapointed that it didn't carve the corners well. It would almost stop dead in the corner. The oneway really wakes this car up. I do believe that Losi will make a minor change to the front are design sometime in the near future. This car is only going to get better as time goes by.

[mtrcitygearhead]

mr c,are you reffering to the race at Washtenaw?If by chance you are, a XXX-4 won both the A and B mains,with a few others filing in other top spots also.

[Clod_Killer]

I just assembled one last night. I like how it all went together. The drivetran is silky smooth. Too bad it was my buddies car lol. I will have one soon enough. Also, we will have screw kits done sometime this week for the car. We did the one up last night and it looked great. I will get some pictures up on the site.

Trick Parts (http://www.trick-parts.com)

[mr.c]

Originally posted by mtrcitygearhead
mr c,are you reffering to the race at Washtenaw?If by chance you are, a XXX-4 won both the A and B mains,with a few others filing in other top spots also. I wasn't saying that the cars weren't fast , just that their fragile . Tell me you didn't break a tower or an arm . I wish Losi the best , as I love to run 4wd and without them I probly wouldn't be able to run this class .

[mtrcitygearhead]

[We had two heats in 4wd and only ONE xxx-4 finished the night , and he had reinforced his stock parts with fiberglass . I was the only Schumacher in the class and there were about six tc3-o's , none of which broke . :D [/B][/QUOTE]
No doubt they are fast.My post was in reference to your above qoute.Quite a few finished the night,including mine.I think Dells TC3"o"was not able to finish 1 qualifier without problems,plus a few others broke that I know of.
The XXX-4 is not perfect in its current state.I do think there is a weakness in the web area of certain parts which are KNOWN to break quite frequently.Myself,I broke a rear shock tower.It didnt break by itself,I crashed trying to miss a marshall on a tripple and landed against the drivers stand.
I think after all the nuances are solved with the XXX-4 and Tc3-O,
4wd mod will flourish again.Besides,its just a blast to deive them!

[cartmen34]

I have a couple of comments on this thread, so please bear with me.

First off, I'm sure other people have noticed this, but why did Losi go with a completely different design for the front A-arms on the XXX-4? It's quite clear to see. All Losi's other A-arms have a ladder type, x-cross pattern. The front arms on the XXX-4 are solod with a more curve to them. Is perhaps this why we seem to be breaking them so easily? Maybe Losi should design a set the same way as all their other arms and see if they are structurely more solid.

And the second thing. I am a HUGE fan of off-road 4wd. It is absolutely the most fun I've ever had racing. Just driving the car is fun. I don't understand this myth that 4wd cars break. I've owned a xx-4we since the day they arrived in hobby shops, and I've never broken a SINGLE part.
I personally think the reason we see so many breaks in the 4wd class is because people don't know how to drive them. I mean seriously, driving a 4wd car is a very different beast from driving a 2wd car. They are MUCH faster, turn faster and differently, and overall, they "feel" different when driving them. And since most of us were taught to drive with 2wd (or the lazy driving trucks), we aren't ready for the major driving change, and we smack more stuff and of course will break more things. That's just my personal observation. People break more stuff in 4wd, but that's only because people crash more in 4wd. I've seen good drivers do very well in 2wd buggy, then pick up their 4wd to race and they are crashing every lap and are all over the place!

Am I just crazy, or does this make sense to everybody else?

[cabbynate]

Cartmen34,
They might of changed the front arm for more front out drive clearance. On my XXWE my out drive savers use to rub the bottom of the inner arm brace. The new arms don't even get close. I think you are right about most of us not knowing how to drive 4wd. there is a HUGE differince in how they work. I think most of us need to start with a stock motor and day dy day work up to the faster mods. Most of us want to drop in a 10x2 and let er rip. That spells one thing. Barney. Case in point:
I raced stock truck for one year solid. Did pretty well and my friends got me to get a gas truck. Well, the first night out with my NT I broke a rear shock tower, some front a-arms and a rear pivot block. Now one year later, I hardly break a thing except maybe a rolled wheel pin or two. I think in time as we start to learn the new XXX-4 we will start breaking less and less.
Just my 2cents.;)

[cartmen34]

Thanks for the reply cabbynate. I never thought about the clearance issue. I usually limit my shocks a little more than the kit recommends, so I guess that's why I never saw that problem before.

What you said also contributes alot to 4wd cars breaking. The stock class is where the majority of us do our driving. Up until now, drivetrains on 4wd cars weren't efficient enough to allow the use of stock motors. So everybody bolted in their 9singles and tore away. Most racers are amazed at how much faster you have to react with a mod motor in. That is a big contributor to the "breakage" of the cars. I don't race mod that much (mostly just in 4wd), but I've gotten used to it and know that the car will stick even with the increase in speed.

[Backfire]

Just thought I would give some new info on the front arms. Horizon has none. Sounds like a few people have had trouble with breaking them;) Losi is currently testing some new material for the front arms and said there will be no official decision until Monday, and the arms won't ship until after that. So they are atleast aware of the problems. Too bad they didn't do that testing before the kits were shipped:rolleyes:

It is funny how they changed the arm design for the fronts. With no cross brace near the hinge pin holes, like all other Losi arms, maybe there isn't enough "distribution" of forces between the two sides of the arm; so the forward pin area breaks, the arm then rotates backwards since the front is no longer supported, and that flex snaps the rear pin area. I also noted that in the review done by RCCA, they stated that the arms, hubs, and carriers were all to be carry overs from the XX-4. Obviously, this isn't the case in the production kit arms, so I wonder at what point Losi decided to use the new arms, and how much testing was done with the production level parts? It said RCCA had a pre-production unit to test, so who knows how long ago that decision was made. I got a kick out of a review on the car in another mag, which stated something to the effect that, "The newly designed front arms are said to be more durable." Yeah right!!:D

Has anyone tried mounting XX-4 arms as a possible temp replacement? My LHS said the length looked ok, but the arms are swept in the opposite direction, so it might mess up the geometry/wheelbase. I didn't have any XXX-4 arms to compare it to since the shop is sold out:p

[New Jack]

I drive alot of 4wd vehicles, & think that the Fragilness of the front end has nothing to do with driving my XXX-4 with a Mod. mothor, it's just too Brittle, I drive a XXX-S, & a Kyosho MP-7.5 with a Suped up .21 engine, trust me the XXX-4 is NO WHERE near as fast & still this thing breaks rather easy. Backfire, I'm with you Losi NEEDS to do something with that front end .(PERIOD) I will admit however, that I now have all Graphite & am no longer experiencing problems with it!!!!!:D :D :D

[cartmen34]

I suppose I should have been a little more clear on my post. I'm not saying that the car is not fragile in it's current state. I totally agree that there are some flaws in either the plastic or the basic design of the arms and the shock towers. All I was commenting on was the lack of interest in 4wd electric because there seems to be a myth that 4wd cars break just because they are 4wd cars.

And I've already looked into using xx-4 front arms, and they don't appear to be able to work. They are longer than the xxx-4 arms.

[Backfire]

XXX-4 Online Instruction Manual (http://www.teamlosi.com/xxx4_page/index.htm)

Setup Sheet (http://www.teamlosi.com/setups/xxx4/index.htm)

[New Jack]

cartmen34: Yeah, I hear what you are saying about the 4wd's, it's not the fact that it's a 4wd that it's breaking, I think it's just the design & Losi will fix it I'm sure!!! :D I have put Graphite on mine & it seems to be fine, but we'll see what Losi comes up with if they decide to re-configure a new A-arm!!!! I must admit that when the XX-4 came out they had trouble with the front bulkhead breaking as well, but that was remedied too!!!! I do believe that Schumacher & Associated should jump on the Bandwagon as well for a 4wd buggy class to generate more interest in the market as well as at the Race track!!!!:D :) :D

[SCHMACH]

hey cartman, schumacher has a very competitive 4wd car, the cat 3000...i love my cat 3000, it's really easy to work on. it's associated that need to get off their butt and make a car...yokomo too...and i'm still wondering why any of these 1/8 scale companies haven't made a 1/10 scale 4wd car yet

[RadicalRustler]

i was reading this thread and i saw someone was getting the orion brushless. If you haven't bought that POS yet DON'T. it uses ferrite magnets which are'nt nearly as strong as noe magnets used in GOOD brushless motors. good place to look for good brushless combos for a little more than orions are
www.rumrunnerhobbies.com for lehner 1920-1930 and warrior or 18?? series controlers or
www.icare-rc.com or www.hackerbrushless.com for the hacker motors and conrollers. the good ones from hacker are the car sport (go to hackerbrushless) and the C40 6T S(mall) from icare.
for the lehner basic series motors go to www.finedesignrc.com cars and trucks section.
I for one am getting C40 6T s with master car sport @ 354 US. these things are over 1 hp strong!! :eek:

[RadicalRustler]

I have been looking into the 4wd buggies + trucks and i was wondering which was better: 1. losi xxx4 2. Cat 3000 3. hpi rs4 (or what ever its called) 4. tc3 'O'

I would have started a new thread but this place won't let me! please and thank you.
I think it might be a little biased as it is in the losi forum but i hope you answer truthfully

[Tstalion79]

People wont be very biased. You only find biased people in the HPI forums:p I think that right now the xxx-4 gets the best lap times. However, the TC3-O is supposed to be very durable. It just pushes a little going into turns. Jumps great though. I will be getting an xxx-4 though. There is just such little parts support for the tc3O

[NitroOwnsYou]

Ok first of all, Ive owned almost all brands out there, and Im not a fan of HPI, except for the Micro RS4.(even this car needs some fine tuning! fix Front diff, sand dogbones down super smoothly, etc.) RS4 MT isnt anything spectacular IMO. I owned a Nitro RS4 MT that had a .21, and couldnt handle anything over 35 mph very well for handling. It also was slow as hell even with a 2 speed, and a 1+ hp .12 engine.

Second, Cat 3000, almost always going to be mail order for parts. Can be somewhat of a problem. Also help with setup will be a little harder to find due to the limited quanity being ran.

TC3-O Alot of cash for a upgrade. 400+ dollars for a FT TC3 and the kit. Second is support is like the Cat as far as parts availability and setups.

Losi XXX-4 Parts can be found in most decent hobby shops, lots and lots of factory support on setups. Overall the better choice IMO.

Jr

[psycho02]

You can order direct from schumacher usa website. And as far as tech help just call schumacher usa in florida and ask for paul wynn or jeffery durocher and those guys will help you out with any setup tips u need. I am lucky enough to live within a short (15min) drive to a shcumacher dealer. there cars are good stuff. So if u like schumacher cars don't let that stuff stop you from getting one.

[rccadude]

Quote:TC3-O Alot of cash for a upgrade. 400+ dollars for a FT TC3 and the kit. Second is support is like the Cat as far as parts availability and setups.

I agree about this. Thats why I am selling my TC3O. I like XXX-4's price. GOOD DEAL!!!:cool:

[cabbynate]

Has anyone tried running a rear sway-Bar yet?

[RadicalRustler]

I was thinking of getting the xxx4 since it has a slipper clutch (not sure about cat 3000) its brand new with new designs, it got better lap times, same price, and better part support.
But, which has to go through more tuning before you race?
Which is easier to build? which drives better?
and based on your advice i've narrowed it down to those two, not the money guzzling tc3 0 or the slow rs4.
since i have learned to drive with the rustler (it handles great now that i have thumbtack fronts) but i didn't get to build it (rtr for christmas w/o esc) i think builtability would be the best thing.
one more - these cars can take all 540 size motors, right? i'm going brushless ($360) and these motors are 36mm and 53 mm long.

[jforkner]

Does anyone have a good Internet source for graphite parts (front arms, shock towers, etc) for the XXX4?

[CalmCyclone]

Originally posted by RadicalRustler
I was thinking of getting the xxx4 since it has a slipper clutch (not sure about cat 3000) its brand new with new designs, it got better lap times, same price, and better part support.
But, which has to go through more tuning before you race?
Which is easier to build? which drives better?
and based on your advice i've narrowed it down to those two, not the money guzzling tc3 0 or the slow rs4.
since i have learned to drive with the rustler (it handles great now that i have thumbtack fronts) but i didn't get to build it (rtr for christmas w/o esc) i think builtability would be the best thing.
one more - these cars can take all 540 size motors, right? i'm going brushless ($360) and these motors are 36mm and 53 mm long.

I've never even seen a CAT 3000, but I know that the XXX-4 is a breeze to build and set up. It was only the second kit I've ever assembled and it still went together without a hitch. I never got to drive mine before I had to sell it, but from the races I've seen at my local track, the XXX-4 has great speed, awesome acceleration, and it handles jumps well.

And yes, it should be able to handle a 540-size brushless motor just fine.

[RadicalRustler]

You're lucky. The only place I've seen ANY offroad cars is at my LHS. I was going to pick the xxx4 because it is so new that it has all the new tech and stuff. Since the cat is, well, a couple years old now and it is the same price and xxx4 has better tech support and it is easy to build it is also easy to pick which car im getting. the cat 3000. no, i'm only kidding. the xxx4. but first the brushless motor. whats the point of getting a car when you won't be able to drive it?
Thanx everyone for your help. i keep reading to find uot what parts break easiest so when i get one i know what to upgrade/stockpile.

[RadicalRustler]

hey, calmcyclone, why did you have to sell your xxx4?

[cabbynate]

http://www.horizonhobby.com/

[psycho02]

It's not all that hard to get support and parts for schumacher stuff.
They have dealers across the country and if there is not one close to you, you can get their stuff on line very reasonably and as far as set up tips and such all u have to do is call schumacher u.s.a. in Florida and they will tell u whatever you need to know. Picking the xxx4 is not a bad deal though U can't go wrong there but be careful with the brushless system though. Make sure if you are going to race that the place u race at does not follow roar rules right down to the smallest rule. If they do you will not be able to race with brushless there.

[New Jack]

Originally posted by jforkner
Does anyone have a good Internet source for graphite parts (front arms, shock towers, etc) for the XXX4? jforkner: You can also try www.stormerhobbies.com though they may be out of them for now as everybody is trying to get parts for it (Graphite F/R arms, Graphite F/R shock tower, Graphite F/R diff. covers, & Sway bar) I have managed to get F/R arms & shock towers, diff covers & sway bar still on back order, my Graphite arms & shock towers just feel like a much better product, that stiffezel is not good at all!!!!

[RadicalRustler]

i don't really have a local track. Its more like my OWN track (its not done yet but it will be ready to race next year). the nearest tracks are an oval track and an indoor carpet. that reminds me. if you stuck touring tires on (somehow) (losi or cat) would it handle well?
thanx

[psycho02]

Not as good as a touring car would with those same tires you would be better of getting a touring car if you wanted to do something like that.

[Slimboyfat]

does any one have the one way installed in their XXX4? if so could you help me by explaining why my outdrives are easily pulled out of the sockets?
is it that i have installed them wrong or are they suppose to do this??
i would have thought i have built it wrong because surely when the car is in motion the outdrives will simply fall out or at least out of the sockets???

any info guys would be much apprieciated

Matt
:confused:

[psycho02]

The outdrives will come out easily when the oneway is not installed in the car, but once it is installed the driveshafts will hold them in.

[Slimboyfat]

so even if they tend to be about 2-3mill out of the socket on full droop the driveshafts will keep then on the car?
i am worried that when i am at full speed they will work their way loose and fly off in the middle of the straight!
i spoke to the guy whom i brought the kit off and he said it could all be to do with the little spring not being in place?
i have rebuilt the whole damn thing and it still does it!

cheers

Matt


:confused:

[G24racer]

It's will be fine. Just run it.

[psycho02]

You should have either a spring or a couple of old shock seals inside the outdrives where the driveshafts enter the outdrive cups and the tension created there wil hold everything together.

[Slimboyfat]

thanks for your advice guys im gonna put some form of seal in with the spring and them hope for the best.

i think this car has a lot of potential can't wait to race it here in england on dec 1st. i'll let you all know how i got on and my set up!!!


cheers lads

Matt - now very happy :D :D :D :cool:

[cabbynate]

Has anyone tried the 1dg rear hubs yet? Most of the factory guy use them. Stock the XXX-4 has 2dg rear to-in, with the 1dg hubs you get 3dg like all the rest of the Losi off road cars.

[Slimboyfat]

I went to run my XXX-4 for the first time for a bit of practive before I race it and have found a very wierd problem.

the problem is that the car does not seem to steering lock fully to the left. i have tried to adjust the servo to centre it somewhere different and also i have tried different lengths of the servo link to the car.

i had the same problem with my XXX when i first got it but all that the problem was the servo link being too short and now it is fine

the XXX4 problem though is not being solved by this method.

i use a KO 1001 servo and have tried the 23 and 25 horns. i am using all three rings on the horn (two silver and one gold) i am also using the correct settings in the manual for the chassis attachment also.

has n e one had this problem too? can n e one offer me any advice on what to try next to solve the problem?

thanks in advance

Matt

[cabbynate]

Well Slimboyfat,
I use an Airtronics M8 radio system and you can ajust the left/right throw independently. What Radio do you have?
High end radio's are worth their wight in gold if you are a
racer.;)

[spenzalii]

Ok, I asked this in the XXX-S forum, but I didn't really get a good answer. Since I got her eby accident, I'll ask again.

Which would be a better starting point for a XXX-based rally car? The XXX4 or the XXXS? And how should it be done? Any advice would be great. I want something a little better than my buddy's RS4 Rally. The belts on that thing get grimy too quick

[cabbynate]

spenzalii,
I think the XXX-S with the slipper setup from the XXX-4 would be a good start. The XXX-4's cassis is a 1/2" longer and it may make it hard to find a body for it. Also you will need the shock towers,and shocks from the XXX-S and the body posts. The conversion should not be to hard. Just a XXX-S, longer shock shafts and the slipper set up from the XXX-4 and tires.
A cool rally body would also help. :)

[igozoom]

Raced last night at our track with Tarveymoto. Thought I would give a different perspective as the car seems to be getting some bad press regarding durability.

We currently have 7 people running these cars in town. We are running a very nasty clay track with healthy jumps and plenty of 1/8th scale trenches and pot holes.

During the 2 heats and the main, only one car broke an A arm and that was after a horrific end over end cart wheel. The car came down on the front A arm after the driver came up short on a double. If I would have crashed my Drake xxx nt in the same manner, it would have surely resulted in A arm breakage.
In effect, while we had plenty of crashes, flips and slams into the pipes, only one resulted in a broken A arm.

I will concur that you can't run the car into the wall and drive away like an 1/8 scale. In reality, you can't run any buggy into a wall and not expect some destruction.


I drove Tarveys 3x-4 after the main. It has the one way diff. Man on man, the car is insane fast and that was after 5 minutes on the battery! I am sorry to say that I have ordered mine. Now I gotta buy all this sissy electric stuff ! hehehe

Hey Tarv, nice racing last night. 3rd in A Stock electric and 2nd in Nitro GT. I couldn't catch you to save my life.

PS Thanks for costing me big money by letting me drive your xxx 4. You are just a crack dealer hawking your tawdry Losi wares. :D. Now I gotta buy all this plug and play crap.

[tarvymoto]

Igo , don't short me man...I got 2nd in stock truck :D , and 2nd in gas truck and 4th in 4wd (after I gave 3rd place away when I cased a jump).

These cars are the ultimate thrill for speed freeks;) . I ran a p94 10x2 with a 16 tooth pinion.
Travis

[Tstalion79]

Sweet. Im considering getting one for x mas. I currently have an xxx-t matt francis and i dont know if i want 4wd because they require a good bit of maintenance. They sound perty sweet though!

[spenzalii]

I figured the slipper would be needed. Now for the shocks, should I use two sets of front XXX4 shocks? How much longer are they than the XXXS shocks? And as far as the arms, should I swap to the XXX4 arms or stay with the shorter XS arms?

[psycho02]

Losi does make a rally shock they are anodized red and look pretty cool. I am sure you could find some of those somewhere.

[Tstalion79]

keep the arms the same length. In real life rally, the cars have pretty much the same specs as the "touring" cars. For example, the peugot 206 wrc doesnt have longer arms than the regular 206. I would get rally weapon shocks.

[Slimboyfat]

I Run sanwa and KO electrics. but i found the problem and it was that the servo saver supplied with the car had too much 'flex' in it and stopped the steering from full lock. I whacked on an old XX-4 horn, cut it down a shade to stop it rubbing on the shell and the car was fine ......... except for the racing come sunday........ .


practice- the track is carpet with a Table top and a drop off type jump. put the car on the track....belts too loose - starts grinding away, i get the car sorted and put it on the track... three slow laps later i 'CLIP' a track marker and the left side GRAPHITE wishbone breaks....frail or what i am thinking!!

R1 - i get two laps before the front left side PLASTIC wishbone break when landing quite softly off the tabletop.

R2 - i get four laps before the front right side PLASTIC wishbone breaks though this was definatly my fault as I tried a pass on a stupid line and griprolled into a wall.

R3 - i get nine laps before the front right side PLASTIC wishbone breaks as i land square off the table top jump. I mean the wish bone just collapsed as i landed perfectly it must be said!

R4 - wwwoooohhhoooo a steady five minute run puts me 14th in the round out of 35 4wd cars (3 XXX4's in the field).

overall i qualify 29 out of 33

the final - first lap up to fourth from ninth but crash heavily on the last corner and an XX-4 WE fly's head on into me . I carry on but the XX-4 is totalled with half a shock shaft and a broken graphite front shock tower.

half way through and things are looking up, the cars is mighty quick, nimble and nippy out of the corners. i'm loving the spectators watchin my beast flying round the track with a 10x2 gear on a 22 pinion....YES 22 pinion!
in the final two minutes i have to sercome to radio equipemnt failure which incidently is a glitching servo (apparently).


if they make this car more durable it will be an absolute force to be reckoned with!
the other two XXX-4's did OK though one finished 5th in the A final, the other broke down in the C final with me and i didn't speak to the guy to ask him what he broke.

any comments?

Cheers

Matt

[sixandeightstringer]

Which would be a better starting point for a XXX-based rally car...

Dude - I've done this, and it came out really well. Fast, stable, jumps really well, hooks up great. I call it the XXX-R.

Check out my notes (http://www.sixfoottiger.com/phpbb2/viewtopic.php?t=142) and my pictures (http://www.sixfoottiger.com/admin/index.cfm?fuseaction=admin.party_pix_view&partyid=23).

[cartmen34]

SlimFatBoy: OUCH! Sounds like you lost alot of parts. Did all your front a-arms break in the same place? I've only seem them snap on or very near the inner hinge location on the arm. Have all your arms broken in the same place?

I can't believe that all the testing Losi did on this car and they couldn't find the front a-arm problem that we all seem to be having. I guess they should hire some "normal" drivers like us to test these things instead of the pros!! lol

It's a shame we can't use the front arms off the xx-4. Those seemed to be a little tougher than the xxx-4's front arms. I'm also VERY sorry I took apart my xx-4 to build up my xxx-4! lol

[tarvymoto]

WOW...well let me see...I've race 2 weeks in a row with my XXX4 and the only thing I broke is a rear hub carrier....which is the same part found on the XXXNT , XXX , and XXXT. Is the breakage because people are over driving thier car?

[cabbynate]

Has anyone tried running 10dg front kickup? I ran it last nite and did not break a thing. (thats pretty amazing for me!!!):)

[Backfire]

I think the reduced kickup(compared to 2wd) along with the arm design has contributed to the fragile nature of the car. Most of the parts breakage that I have witnessed would not fall under the category of poor driver. Most of the impacts wouldn't phase a XXX or XXX-T, but the XXX-4 front arms just crumble. Since both the graphite and plastic arms are failing in the same place, I would think that indicates some type of design flaw. Even if a poor batch of plastic causes some problems, they wouldn't be failing in the exact same place over and over again.

[cabbynate]

Matt,
Are you running a rear sway bar? Carpet sounds like fun with a lot of traction. Try running 10dg front kick up. It may help a little with the front arms. If you are not running a rear sway bar, try it.
It should help to keep you from traction rolling. All so try going up on shock oil wt if you did not already. Maybe 40wt or highter.
Also try running anti-squat in the rear. On carpet you should not need pro-squat. If you try any of these things let us know how they work.
Cheers,
Nate

[New Jack]

Backfire: I will be going to Mike's on Friday to try out my XXX-4, though I feel I will be at a disadvantage from the get go as I have not yet installed a One-way!!!! My rear sway bar is still on back order as well as my Graphite F/R Diff. covers!!! I can't wait to run it on a real track!!!!!:D :D :D

[Slimboyfat]

first answer was yes all the wishbones broke in the same place and both fixings were snapped clean off! they all broke on the end that connects to the chassis area (where you have to put that little red bung on). on closer inspection now I have taken the car apart to await the new Losi parts i hear soon to be released (new material and design for the front end i hear?????) i have found that the front diff cover is also cracked quite bad so that needs to be replaced.

thanks for the set up advice. i went with the Jukka start set up on the losi web page which yealded slight understeer. i do think though that the handling of the car is not really in question, just the reliability. As i have said as soon as losi sort out the early bugs then this car will be a car to be reckoned with!!
You also have to remember that in england there is many 4wd cars that are raced competitively such as the TTech Predator, Cat 3000, recently the TC3 'o' , yokomo new special and the XX-4, plus a few other 'golden oldies' such as the super dogfighter etc etc.

i haven't tried the sway bar yet though it is supposed to be on the set up i used, it is something i might play with when i can go five minutes more than once in a meeting..............lol!

i do think that part of the problem was i was trying too hard but then again there is a fine line between overdriving and being super quick on the edge. i can say though that my XX-4 WE would have stood up to the impacts being made.

cheers

Matt