Kyosho Mad Force/Mad Armor

[samaj]

Since the Madfroce is still relatively new............ Have any aftermarket compinies started to make any hopup parts ..?
Compinies like New Era etc.......?

[jeroen]

The madforce's isn't a beginner car and, I think the t-maxx is, it has got an less powered engine and also the reverse.

[samaj]

I was wondering .....will T-Maxx tyres better the Madforce handling....? I mean if you want to race ona track with jumps & stuff. I feel the MAdfroce masive tyres would rub off some speed while taking turns & stuff.
Plus for putting smaller wheels can i still use the stock gearing. Will the claimed speed of 43 Mph reduce ot increase with the smaller Tmaxx tyres....?

[jeroen]

I haven't got any experience with the T-maxx but there are guys on the http://pub13.ezboard.com/fmaxximumtraxxasfrm94?page=1 Forum That have both the maxx as the madforce so you can better ask it over there.

[Unobjectionable]

smaller tires = more acceleration and lower top speed, since the wheels are not moving the truck forward as far per revolution, it's the same as gearing it lower

but it would lower the truck and remove some rotating mass, so yes, it might handle better on the track with the smaller tires

i haven't seen any non-kyosho hopups yet, but i'm sure the aftermarket will be all over it shortly

[kart_racer3]

Has RC Car Action Magazine reviewed the Mad Force yet? I was just wondering what they thought of it.

[Unobjectionable]

dunno, i don't read it...you did watch their movie right?

http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/cars/index.asp

i wonder if these people who keep asking "mad force or tmaxx?" have ever seen a stock tmaxx run...ehehe

[jeroen]

Yes rc caraction has reviewed it last month august that is

[jeepdude_1]

Does the MadForce come assembled ??? :D ;) :p

[jeroen]

No it isn't assembled
It is told a dousend times that it's a kit

[moep]

Yep, it's a kit but it comes with a few pre-assembled parts (the axle including the diffs, the 3 speed, ...)

[jeroen]

Yes this was also mentioned a few times.
Do you guys only read the end of this forum or what!

[jeepdude_1]

jeroen, Well excuse me!!! I didnt want to read the whole form to find out..... So is it daa or derrr ??? :D ;) :p

[jeroen]

Yeah right

It was only mentioned one page ago.
And it can do no harm too read the whole forum.

[kart_racer3]

I was wondering had any suggestions for me. I have called about 13 different hobby shops, and none of them has the Mad Force in stock. And, they aren't sure when they will get them in stock. And, to pre-order one, I have to put some money down on one. My question is, which hobby company usually gets things in stock the quickest? Thanks

[birdy233]

Tower is usually the quickest, they are the biggest Kyosho supplier. Here's my MF with a body I don't know what it is???

[kart_racer3]

But, doesn't their web site say that they won't have them in stock until "mid august" ?

[Unobjectionable]

birdy - i think that is an ofna/ho bao monster pirate body you have on there

kart - keep an eye on ultimate hobbies, they are also out of stock on mad forces (i think) but they were selling them for $400...i believe the official release date is aug. 19th, so you shouldn't have to wait too much longer regardless

edit: tower now has "limited quantities" of mad forces in stock

[moep]

hey mad-forcers, where are you? (at maxxtraxx, of course)

j/k

Here are a few shots of my MF, dang, I LOVE it!
Definitley one of the best, toughest and fastest trucks ever.

http://www.moep.at/mad_pics/front.jpg
http://www.moep.at/mad_pics/rear.jpg

more pics can be found here (http://www.moep.at/mad_pics) :)

[Unobjectionable]

well done clemens, that looks really good...i love a nice simple paint job, very classy...and there is no beating black for sheer BADASSEDNESS (i just made that up, hope you like it)

[moep]

Thanks Unobjectionable!

I just ran the madforce with the body, it really looks pretty nice.

In fact, I planned to make a decent metallic red and silver two-color paint job, but those guys at my LHS handed me the wrong colors. It was kinda translucent red instead of metallic-red. I found that out after I've applied 10+ layers of color and the body was still opaqe... :rolleyes:

It looked like the body was unevenly coated with cherry-candy... it was almost resting in my trash-can, when I noticed that the red won't be visible when coating it with black. hehe.

After that, I decided to paint the whole body black and trim those headlight stickers a bit to give it an overall agressive look... thats it. :)

[Unobjectionable]

maxxtraxx is beginning to scare me

[FlyinRazorback]

Anyone know who has the rear center drive in stock? Tower is now saying late September. I hate to have $650 worth of truck just sitting there not doing a thing :mad:

[rc10gtisthebest]

Join the club i have $2000+ of NTC and 1:8 buggy laying around waiting for parts from LHS.

[FlyinRazorback]

Oh well, while it sits, I guess I can post a pic of it. The pic doesn't do it any justice, but it is red up front and fades to an orange color in the back. The checks in the back are a metallic blue that fades to a metallic purple.

[spyderpug]

Does anyone has a problem w/ leaking shockabsorbers?

And which brand R/C unit do you use for this massive nitrotruck? ( I assume it would be servo for 1:8 )

And how much total cost for kit and r/c unit?

[FlyinRazorback]

Stainless steel center drives are available at RC Alloys. Cost is $40 shipped USPS Priority. They are much thicker than the originals. Check them out if you are waiting on the backorders for the originals. They can have them to your door in 3 days.

[jeroen]

Here a picture oof the strong rc alloys shaft

[madforce10]

Will these fix the problem of the drive shafts popping out ?

[jeroen]

For the drive shaft poping out problem has a guy done the turnbickle trick, so we cal it over at maxxtraxx

Take a look at mine version of it:

[madforce10]

Thanks for the reply.Im gonna give it a try.

[FlyinRazorback]

Which way does the baffle inside the pipe go? I had it apart and didn't pay attention to which way it went.

[Redfox]

Assuming that the madforce uses the same pipe as the Kyosho Landmax, the baffle inside the pipe points towards the stinger end of the pipe. So you put it in the half of the pipe that is attached to the rubber manifold connector so that the baffle is pointing away so that it looks like a double ended cone. Then slip on the red/orange o-ring and then put the stinger half of the pipe on the front and screw it up nice n tight.
I tell you what looks really cool... i polished the pipe on my Kyosho Landmax, cos the stock pipe looks kinda dull and uninteresting. If you get some wet and dry paper from the local hardware store, you can work on the pipe starting off with an 800 grade paper, then work up to 1200 and beyond. Then get some automotive metal polish (i use Autosol, but in the states apparently you have metal polish under the brand name "Mothers: Mag and Aluminium Polish") and polish it up real good with that and a rag. It looks really really cool when polished up.
The best way to start off with the wet n dry paper is to hold the paper in your hand and then put the pipe in (i take it apart and do it part by part) and then spin it around in your hand whilst applying pressure.
Anywayz, good luck with that!!

Chris :D

[LEMMEDRIVEIT!!]

Hey- I've posted about a BAJILLION TIMES- and i am mad cause i can't keep my mind on one car at a time-

Okay. At first i wanted the New T-maxx, then the MF, then the DOminator, then the xxx-nt, then between the Dom and T-maxx- i'm still picking. But now the madforce caught my attention again.

I have 2 (hopped up rustler and a FT B3)electric cars, and a Bit Char-g(which i absolutely love) and i'm bilding a custom car.

Like i said before- i wish i could post about which car i should get, but i'll get all different answers, and people will say to your preference, which i hate t when they say that- so here it is- Its between the Dom, new T-maxx, the Titan, the Savage and the Mad force- Which one? I know i shouldn't be posting in the Mad force forum, but well here i go. I MIGHT be able to get the dom, but it would be the most expensive of the 3 at about 510$ total. THen the new T-maxx, which woudl come to (total) about 430$ and then the titan, which i don't know about, but love, and the savage, which i love too. and then the madforce. What do i need. I see it for tower for 449, and my hobby shop will probably sell it for about 420$. So besides the truck, what else do i need.- i can spend probably like 500$ total, and then at that price i would have to chip in. So which one between those 5? please give me an honest answer. I've looked aroudn and thi is and honest thread- so let me in on which one to get( i'm leaning towarsds each and every one) and give me the ups and downs of each trck please- thanks.

[TitansGT4]

I got da same dilemma as him, either a Dom, MF, or a Savage(I have a Tmaxx already). Mad Force looks the best offroad, is it?

[airmech]

The MF is great! I just modified the clutchbell by removing the needle bearings and the flanged bushing, and replacing them with ball bearings from BOCA. SUPER SMOOTH!!!:D

[hua15]

They are all made by one piece billet 6061 aircraft grade aluminum.

http://www.rc4wd.com/images/site/products/JPS/rims/MadForce.jpg

http://www.rc4wd.com/images/site/products/JPS/rims/MadForce2.jpg

http://www.rc4wd.com/images/site/products/JPS/rims/txt1.jpg

10 designs will be available to choose from. Let me know what you guys think.


They are been made as I speak right now.

http://www.rc4wd.com/images/site/articles/JPS/6.jpg
-Hua

[hua15]

http://www.rc4wd.com/images/site/articles/madForce/1.jpg

[FlyinRazorback]

Awesome paint job! Just curious, how much are you selling the rims for?

[hua15]

Those rims will be available for $160 for a set of 4. There are very limited quantity coming next week.

-Hua

[hua15]

This is one of the design I got, looks simply amazing.
http://www.rc4wd.com/images/site/products/JPS/rims/madforce/1.jpg

It add almost 1" to the overall width, much more stable and ready for some big jumps!
http://www.rc4wd.com/images/site/products/JPS/rims/madforce/2.jpg

http://www.rc4wd.com/images/site/products/JPS/rims/madforce/3.jpg

http://www.rc4wd.com/images/site/products/JPS/rims/madforce/4.jpg

http://www.rc4wd.com/images/site/products/JPS/rims/madforce/5.jpg

http://www.rc4wd.com/images/site/products/JPS/rims/madforce/6.jpg

[FlyinRazorback]

Speaking of tires and rims, anyone know the dimensions on the Imex Baja tires for the clod. Are they bigger or wider than the stock MF tires. Will they fit Monster Pirate rims?

[hua15]

Inside size of the rim is the size, over all tire is smaller, it's great for all round driving and it's lighter.

I am waiting for some MP aluminum rims to come in, then I will know if it will fit, but I am pretty sure it won't be a problem, since you are always scretch a little bit.

-Hua

[crono man]

hey guys which engine would you recommend?

1-ofna picco sport

2-ofna hyper21 8 port

3-os .21 rg

thanks for any input:)

[FlyinRazorback]

I should be getting the 8-port within the next couple of days (although it is going in a buggy). I will let you know how it goes this weekend, hopefully.

[Unobjectionable]

i have two of the ofna/piccos and they are nice engines...BUT if i were going to buy a new engine, i would go for the hyper 8, from all accounts it is a real killer...and cheap too (ultimatehobbies.com)



carbon fiber mad force wheeliebars, BOOYA

http://***********/gp20/misc/MFwheeliebars.jpg

[Hairball]

Originally posted by hua15
http://www.rc4wd.com/images/site/articles/madForce/1.jpg

How much for this body? I WANT IT. :D

[atm92484_3]

Is the articulation on the MF just from the flex in the 2 links or am I missing something?

[Unobjectionable]

well, they pivot at the inside end too (on steel bushings)...i really don't think articulation (http://pub121.ezboard.com/fmaxximumtraxxasfrm94.showMessage?topicID=125.topi c/) is a weak spot on this thing...

[dickson123]

Hey, you probably wont believe me but i managed to put two 3-speed trannies together to get 9 speeds and i put in a 35cc weed trimmer engine. Awsome performance, but i haven't found a parking lot big enough to get past 5th gear yet and it was flying at 60+ m.p.h

Pictures to come of my awsome machine.......

[Hairball]

Got a picture of your setup so we can drewl over it?

[Lordneo]

nuts , can someone point out to me the dimensions of the
screws that screw into the Knuckles ?

lost one , need to find replacement.
( cant find the manual, which would state the size )

thanks

[Unobjectionable]

neo, those screws are 4x10mm

[cleanmaxx brian]

Well first off, I use my MF a lot! Today I was running at a construction site and went through 12 tanks and the only problem was My pipe set screw fell out! Not bad eh? So I come home and start to clean (really dirty ) Then I go to start it for one last trip around the yard and the pull start
spring lets go. :( So I think no problem, my truck starts on the first pull...wind it in by hand and give one pull. Vroom right up :)
So hit the gas and front goes up, quick turn around and back and hit the brakes when I here CLICK CLICK CLICK! :confused:
Hmmm try it again but this time real slow and sure enough, click click click Check the front axle to see if the two halfs are seperated but they are nice and tight :confused: Pull the diff out and I am missing 3 teeth on the ring gear and the pinion is pretty shot too :eek: I also noticed that my front one way bearing is siezed as well!!! What the? :mad: It has locked up before and I was able to get it loose but not this time! This part I bet is going to be a problem...it is under a lot of stress! So I now have a bunch of parts on order (Tower is out of the hard steel diff! :mad: ) so I ordered the regular one to hold me over.

What I should do is order a whole new truck and part it out and keep the parts I need :D
Take a look at the rear drive cup! I told you I use it a lot!:D

[Hairball]

Wow, thats like Mad Force abuse and stuff!! :D :D

[airmech]

hey has anyone heard of someone making aluminum versions of the front and rear axle housings? I broke the stock one and want something tougher!

[cleanmaxx brian]

Originally posted by hua15
They are all made by one piece billet 6061 aircraft grade aluminum.

http://www.rc4wd.com/images/site/products/JPS/rims/MadForce.jpg

http://www.rc4wd.com/images/site/products/JPS/rims/MadForce2.jpg

http://www.rc4wd.com/images/site/products/JPS/rims/txt1.jpg

10 designs will be available to choose from. Let me know what you guys think.


They are been made as I speak right now.

http://www.rc4wd.com/images/site/articles/JPS/6.jpg
-Hua


Well I just got a set of these rims and I must say KILLER!!! They look sweet!!! The oooo's and ahhhh's I got at work were priceless!
Now I have a question :) When I came home I grabbed my new IMEX Jumbo Maxx tires and put them on the rims to find out the tires are TOO BIG:eek: :( :mad:
SO what tire shoul I go with??? The Jumbo Maxx tires wear great! I have tried the IMEX Clod Baja's but they wear FAST!!! Are we just stuck with the boaring stock tires? They do wear well but I was hoping for something bigger, and more agressive...

Any idea's????????????:confused:

Brian

[FlyinRazorback]

Anyone have an extra 114mm swingshaft they want to sell?

[NoPepsiForYou]

I think im gonna buy one of these, they look so awsome:D

but is there anywhere else that has Kyosho stuff other than Tower...seems like stormer would but they don't:confused:

[rb12 maxx]

I got to thinking, Will the Juggernaut axels and 4 link kit work on the MF?

Matt

[Hairball]

Originally posted by rb12 maxx
I got to thinking, Will the Juggernaut axels and 4 link kit work on the MF?

Matt

You could use the axles.. but I wouldn't.

Jugg / TXT-1 axle = 2:1 ratio

Mad Force axle = 3.3:1 ratio


Your gearing would be off.

[NitroRookie]

Hua15, I guess the only thing you can do if you want to use the Jumbomaxx tire is to made a set of biggerrims for those tires.

[ThorBobRC]

Brian, since those are JPS wheels, I'm almost sure that they are meant for Clod/Jugg sized tires.

Thor

[Hairball]

speaking of clod tires, I just put some Pro-Line Giant Trac tires on my Mad Force (stock rims). Fit perfect. :)

[cleanmaxx brian]

Thorbob, you are right...thats why I have "special rims on the way";) :D

[Nitro Fans]

Hello,

Does anyone know the genuine kyosho engine mount ( for OS ) fit Ofna engine or not?
I know neweramodels.com is going to release a special engine mount for Ofna engine but I have bought the Kyosho one already and I am interested in the Ofna Hyper 8-port.

[cleanmaxx brian]

Hi all,
OK here is the latest pics of my Mad Force! Hop ups include:
1, Hua's awsome rims wrapped with Imex Jumbo Maxx Claw Dawgs :p
2, Kyosho Aluminium hexes
3, Boocake4u's awsome wheelie bars :cool
4, Rix Gears new bearing supported bell cranks (nicer than Kyosho's...plus they appear to be thicker )
5, Titanium turnbuckles everywhere!
6, Kyosho's steering rod kit
7, Rix Gears new body post extensions to make room for the new header...
8, Traxxas red springs - pistons have extra hole drilled in them with 10wt oil (now rides like a caddy and for some reason still does not bottom out?!?!?!
9, Titanium turnbuckles everywhere!
10, dual shock stays
11, TB trick with TI turnbuckles
12, Extra spiders front and rear with 50,000 diff oil
13, Hardened diff in the front (wasted the stock alloy one)
14, bearings in the tranny
15, 12.9 grade RED hardware everywhere with chrome washers :cool
16, Universals front and rear
17, Black head for the GS21R
18, AL650 pipe...great mod!
19, RB filter
20, 2 Airtronic 94358 servos! :D
21, Novak XXL
22, 5 cell Trinity pack
23, Dynamite failsafe
24, Voltwatch
25, new disc brakes with pads
26, HPI 300mm body :cool NOW FOR SALE! Never used except for these pics :D Cut for regular MF with normal body posts. I am going long and added spacers to the rear posts and now it doesn't line up perfectly...so I will need a new one $50 shipped!

And now for the PICTURES!!!
http://***********/gp20/Users/BrianC/mfrims2.jpg
Top view...now you know why I want to sell the body :verysad
http://***********/gp20/Users/BrianC/mftop1.jpg
Lookin like a real monster :cool
http://***********/gp20/Users/BrianC/mfrr1.jpg
The top nakid ;)
http://***********/gp20/Users/BrianC/mfnakidtop1.jpg
and one more...
http://***********/gp20/Users/BrianC/mfrrn1.jpg
Articulation shot...
http://***********/gp20/Users/BrianC/mflftrearart1.jpg
and another...
http://***********/gp20/Users/BrianC/mffrrimart1.jpg
The bullet proof ultimate steering set up...0 slopp!!!
http://***********/gp20/Users/BrianC/mfbellcr1.jpg

Future mods...NEW CHASSIS! And a roll cage! I will probably put one of my new 8 port hypers in when I get board with the stock mill...
Comments welcome!

[speedydave]

That is one NICE Mad Force you've got yourself there, Brian. :)

[Hairball]

Mad Force by the fire, how romantic! :p :p

Nice rig ya got there. :D

[NitroRookie]

Here's A Mad Force List I made and the final total is without shipping added on and in Canadian Dollars.

MY MAD FORCE LIST

Mad Force 21 4WD w/GS-21R
MX-3 3-Channel FM 1/94102Z 75M
Servo - ERG-VR Hi-Spd/Torq 200
Glow Plug Igniter w/Charger (HPI)
Turbo Fueler Fuel Bottle (Dynamite)

The price for all of this is $1,194.71

[senvek]

Sorry I don't have 60 hours to read every post since the beginning of this thread, but I have a few questions about this truck...From what I see in the videos, the suspension is stiff and not very forgiving. Is this just poor clips, or are there some inherent weaknesses in the suspension that can be overcome by after market products? I have been tossing around the idea of a MF or the HPI Savage. I like the simple layout of the MF, but have my worries about the suspension.:confused:

[Hairball]

The stock MF suspension is stiff. With lighter springs and lighter oil, it becomes soft and loses is "bouncey" effect.

Its a VERY strong truck.

[Kosika]

I wonder if the kysho gs.21 that is stock on MF is good, or do you need to buy and other to get the most out of the truck?

And btw, what other wheels fits on the MF?
Dose like USA-1 and t-maxx tires fit?

And one other thing, what is the ground clearance?

[Hairball]

Originally posted by Kosika
And btw, what other wheels fits on the MF?
Dose like USA-1 and t-maxx tires fit?

Any Clodbuster / USA-1 / TXT-1 / Juggernaut tires will fit the stock rims.

I'm using a set of Giant Trac tires on mine. :)

[Kosika]

What rims will fit then?
it would be cool is you could get some nice aftermarket rims, thats not direct made for MF?

[ChaoticWilliams]

Hey guys I just got my new Mad Force and finished assembly a few days ago. I have had a chance to run 3 tanks of fuel and tweak according to the manual. ( 3-turns on the needle valve 10' increase every tank)

I have a few things I hoped you guys could help me with?

First off the only tweaking I know of is the needle valve adjustment, what is the silver flat head screw at the end for? Opposite to the black one next to the servo? It will turn but I dont know what is does, and I dont know what the black one does. (the manual says to have it turned in just until the groove is out of view)

I hope I explained it right.....

Basiclly what I am asking is after break in what should be set to what for optimal performance?

Also, I am having trouble cold starting it it takes 15 pulls to finally get it to start trying to start, then another few to get it going. I tried pluggin the muffler when I pull a few times it seems to help some, but man I didnt think I had to pull the crap out of it to get it to start everytime? Do you think somethings wrong?

I love my truck and im having a blast with it. (Although my dog and daughter are scared of it... lol )


Thanks so much for the advice!

Mark

[Mook9304]

My brother has the same problem, but I keep telling him to blow on the line that leads to muffler . That force fuel into engine making it easy to start. That what I read in a car action article. Sorry if made any mistakes in spelling.

[Kosika]

I have some experience from .21 motors, but not from kyosho.
but I think that that "silver" screw u'r talking about is the mid range screw.
What i have learnt by my shalf is that, that is the screw you will use the most.
its the screw that fix the behavioor in the middle.
The hig end (the long "tower") fix the top speed. and the idle screw the idling.
and the mid range fix wen you trottel up.
if it blurs, like it gets to much fuel, screw it in, if it stop like out of fuel, screw it out.

Now I'm not an expert, but thats how my OS .21 motor is.

[Bandini]

I want to build a complete 3-speed tranny for a project car. I think I have figured out what Mad Force parts I will need, but if you could tell me if anything is missing from this list, I'd be grateful.

KYOC4130 GTW020-02 GEAR SET 2 SPD 7.5
KYOC4727 GT020 PILOT SHAFT 2 SPEED
KYOC3551 IF064 FLYWHEEL MP-6 SPORTS
KYOC2990 KC045 CLUTCH PARTS HEAVY DUTY TBVAMI
KYOC4276 MA005 3 SPEED SHAFT
KYOC4277 MA006 2 SPEED CAM SET
KYOC4278 MA007 3 SPEED CAM SET
KYOC4279 MA008 3RD SPUR GEAR
KYOC2967 MA011 CLUTCH BELL 3 SPEED

[Electrofied]

Since the server will not allow my MSN images to be shown I am redirecting you to another forum at another site... I am not attempting advertise the other site, only trying to share my images...

http://www.rcjimsplace.com/forum/viewthread.php?tid=949

Electrofied

[ragamuffin]

Originally posted by Kosika
I have some experience from .21 motors, but not from kyosho.
but I think that that "silver" screw u'r talking about is the mid range screw.
What i have learnt by my shalf is that, that is the screw you will use the most.
its the screw that fix the behavioor in the middle.
The hig end (the long "tower") fix the top speed. and the idle screw the idling.
and the mid range fix wen you trottel up.
if it blurs, like it gets to much fuel, screw it in, if it stop like out of fuel, screw it out.

Now I'm not an expert, but thats how my OS .21 motor is.

The midrange screw is really an adjustable seat for the low end needle, which sits opposite. It is generally best to leave it alone; expert tuners utilize it to alter the point where the low-end flow transitions over to top end. The main needle you want to be concerned with is the high-end needle (the black plastic one on the GS21's carb body), since it determines how much fuel enters the carburetor, and hence the engine, in the first place.

The low end needle determines punch off the line and out of low-speed corners, and it also plays a critical role in engine temperature at low rpm.

The idle adjustment screw does nothing more than set the opening of the carb slide.

[ChaoticWilliams]

Low- End Needle, which one is that and what should it be set at?

I am running the black plastic needle at 2 1/2 turns, after I ran through about 7 tanks of fuel. But I DO NOT notice much off the line from this truck and I cannot pull the wheels on pavement. There seems to be a lack of power off the line then it starts to scream after first gear.

Im taking it to work tomarrow to run with some other guys and would like my off the line performance improved?


Thanks guys!

Mark

[ragamuffin]

According to the included break-in instructions the low end needle screw (which is the black screw on the arm side of the carb, opposite the high end needle & fuel inlet) should be set so that the groove is just hidden from sight when it is screwed in. This is a break-in setting; since you have already run some fuel through it you may be able to lean it ever so slightly. I suspect that you're still on the rich side overall and this is affecting your acceleration. After idling the first tank did you lean the high end needle out 1/8 of a turn at a time?

[jeroen]

I like the 4 steering setup

How does it drive,and does it roll quick when you steer at high speeds?

This is my madforce website (http://members.lycos.nl/kyoshorccars/index.html)

The site shows some pictures and vids of my madforce and landmax

The 4 link is nor ready yet, gotta make rods for over the links,a nd waiting for the extended chassis plates, and steering upfront, 8 shock setup.

[Electrofied]

Originally posted by jeroen
I like the 4 steering setup

How does it drive,and does it roll quick when you steer at high speeds?

This is my madforce website (http://members.lycos.nl/kyoshorccars/index.html)

The site shows some pictures and vids of my madforce and landmax

The 4 link is nor ready yet, gotta make rods for over the links,a nd waiting for the extended chassis plates, and steering upfront, 8 shock setup.

Good morning Jereon,
I have yet to even start the engine due to bad weather and little time with the holidays and work...
Regarding the 4 wheel steering... I can pretty much guarantee that without sway bars it will role easily. 4 wheel steering is definately not good for racing or landing huge jumps. It is inherantly unstable. I have a set of New Era rear steering lock-out links to slap on the truck for racing.
I really like your truck. The 4-links look awesome. I will go to 4-links when I put my tube frame or CF frame on it.
Keep up the great work,
E

[jeroen]

It's so damn quiet over here

wonder why this is

Maybe because everbody is at maxxtraxx

[atm92484_3]

Woo hoo its Mad Force time! :D

I'll post some pics once I get the body done.

[jeroen]

I'm looking forward,too them

[Pepe the Timid]

Has anyone seen the Kyosho Mad Armour Kit? It is part number 31224. It appears to be the Mad Force kit (31221) with a Hummer body. It is only listed on the Kyosho Japanese site and found on Hobbynet Japan's mail order site. I would like to know the part number for the body. Here is a like to the picture on the kyosho site:



Kyosho Mad Armour 31224 (http://www.kyosho.co.jp/rc_model/monster_truck/gp_4wd_qrc/madarmour/madarmour-j.html)

[jeroen]

The number on the Hummer bodyshell is 39222-3 MAD ARMOUR.

I also wanted too know the body number, so some one over at maxxtraxx,at the madforce section,who aleady got the mad armour gave the number too me

Now I only have too wait untill the body is going too be sold here in Holland

[Pepe the Timid]

Thanks for the part number Jeroen.
I am in the US and may try to order the kit from Hobbynet Japan. The shipping is expensive, however, it would be neat to have something diferent than what is locally available. I currently drive a Kanai II buggy, so the Mad Force would be a good choice to have a few common parts.

[jeroen]

Kanai II buggy

I like it, how does it drive

Do you have pictures of it.

I only a amateur, But I lkike all the hop-ups on the kanai 2, so you do not have too buy them yourself.

[Pepe the Timid]

My Kania II drives and flies great. I am not the best driver, however, it is not the car's fault. Here is an older picture before I upgrades everylthing to the Kania II.

http://www.cubixcorp.com/IMAGES/KyoshoMP75.jpg

It is an offrord racing only vehicle. Pavement tears it up too bad, and there is not enought ground clearance for rough terrain or tall grass. So.... I thought I would get additional car that was more versatile.

I just ordered a new Mad Force. During construction, I am going to upgrade the diffs with extra gears, ( I have a bunch of 7.5 spares). What other mods should I perform during initial construction? I will start out using a couple of Hitec 645 servos. Can you replace the drive shafts with the 7.5 center universals? I thought that this might keep the shafts in place better. If I want to add the extra links to reinforce the stock two-link suspension, what part number are they?

[jeroen]

Nice body colors on the kanai2 buggy

All your answer can be found Here (http://home.houston.rr.com/rogerandjulie/madforce/)

Can you replace the drive shafts with the 7.5 center universals?

Yes you can

But it won't solve the drive shaft popping out problem

If I want to add the extra links to reinforce the stock two-link suspension, what part number are they?

There isn't a real part number for it, just take some rods you like and, it will work

[atm92484_3]

Heres a couple of pics of my Mad Force body (Proline Hummer). I won't both posting pics with the body off since its stock.

http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=109755

How and when do the center driveshafts come off? Is it from jumping and the flex in the arms or what?

[jeroen]

Nice body colors

How and when do the center driveshafts come off? Is it from jumping and the flex in the arms or what?

It's from the flexi suspension arms, you can make it stop, by putting links on the arms, so they flexi only for articulation

[Pepe the Timid]

I finally broke in my MF! I have upgraded to the ultra soft springs in front, and the Kyosho dual shock mounts for extra strength. What SetUp does everyone recommend for racing? I race a Kanai II, and an RC10T. I bought the MF for fun in the yard and at the park, but I want to race it also. I would like to know what shock settings (Oil and Preload) and what toe-in or toe-out for the front and back would be best for racing. My local tracks usually are relatively tight with large jumps and whoops. Jumps are at least 2 feet tall.

[Pepe the Timid]

Did all MF owners die last week?

[alarsh]

I sure hope not

[atm92484_3]

Still here..still haven't driven it. :(

Has anyone given 4ws a shot on the truck? It doesn't look like it would be too hard to rig something up.

[Pepe the Timid]

I did try to race my Mad Force last weekend. The thing handled like a pig on the tight track. I was running the stock tires and the yellow springs. The thing bounces like a basketball. It jumps well, but does not land well. The only way to land without bouncing is to perfectly downside every jump. I did, however, impress the crowds with the awsome speed of the three speed in a straight line. I broke a shock shaft and the one-way drive cup. To improve the handling, I have ordered an extended chassis and some bow tie Tmaxx tires, and I am going to play with springs and shock oil to make it handle better. I know it will never race like my Kanai II, however, I am up for the challenge.

I am also going to try the four wheel steering setup. There is a 4ws savage at the track the hooks up great without any high speed instability. He has the steering set for about 80% deflection on the rear compared to the front. I am going to try to come off the stock steering linkage with another rod to steer the rear a little bit. I figure that if I can get 10 degrees or so, I will be able to make th sharp turns.

[theramman]

Almost finished with my 4-link MF. These pictures are about a week old and a couple of things have changed, but you get the gist.......

http://www.motherboardsdirect.com/dougtemp/madforce-a.jpg
http://www.motherboardsdirect.com/dougtemp/madforce-b.jpg

Comment?

[sean68]

Nice, VERY nice!!! great work bro! is that the Kippster chassis? please let us know how she performs!!

[theramman]

That's the Kippster chassis and New era skid. Everything else is custom made......

[Kosika]

nice work!

but best of all... you'r work bench!
If you find what you want from there, that will be the best job:D .

Keep the good work up!

[theramman]

You should see my parts bins, It looks like a well stocked hobby shop there...........

[theramman]

http://www.motherboardsdirect.com/dougtemp/madforce-1.jpg
http://www.motherboardsdirect.com/dougtemp/madforce-2.jpg
http://www.motherboardsdirect.com/dougtemp/madforce-3.jpg
http://www.motherboardsdirect.com/dougtemp/madforce-4.jpg

Need a little more articulation on the front, that's the next project.

[teRs4]

who''s know .... what are different between Mad force and mad armor ??? plz tell meeeee

[Hairball]

Originally posted by Pepe the Timid
To improve the handling, I have ordered an extended chassis and some bow tie Tmaxx tires, and I am going to play with springs and shock oil to make it handle better. I know it will never race like my Kanai II, however, I am up for the challenge.


What extended chassis did you order?

[Hairball]

Originally posted by teRs4
who''s know .... what are different between Mad force and mad armor ??? plz tell meeeee

The body. Thats it as far as I know.

[RCfun12]

Quistion

I've been thinking about buying the Mad Force and I have a couple questions. Is it worth the money? Is it reliable and durable? Sorry for the questions I was just wondering.

[Pepe the Timid]

Hairball, I ordered the Kipper racing chassis. The same one theramman has in his pictures. It installed great. I tried to race it last weekend with the yellow super soft springs and 35wt oil. I am still using the stock tires, so the ride was still bouncy. It handled the small bumps well, but landing the large jumps at my local track was still like remotely dribbling a basketball. I have ordered the premounted TRC Micro tires for the TMAXX. I have the kipper racing TMAXX wheel adapters. The tires should get here next week so I can give racing another shot. I have also hooked up 4 wheel steering. I duplicated the front steering setup on the rear, but I limited the rear to about 10 degrees max steering to maintain control. I also set up a few degrees on toe in on the rear. The truck has some stability problems with the ultra soft springs a high speed already, so i hope the 4 wheel steering doesn't make it uncontrollable. I will post some picures once i get it up a running.

[samaj]

I was wondering if someone wants to race th MF around a track. Isn't it better to stick with the stock suspension plastic arms? I feel the with the four link setup the truck might get wobbley.
I think 4 link & massive articulation would work great at slow speeds for rock climbing & stuff.
The original design is simply brilliant with the flrxing arms. Its so simple!

My 2 cents.

[airmech]

Hey where can I find this Kipper Racing stuff? I t looks awesome!!!

[ragamuffin]

Several Mad Force owners (including myself) have ordered some of Kippster's stuff, but some have been waiting for almost 3 weeks, with not a word from the business owner, not even having the courtesy to reply to e-mails.

We are thinking of reporting him to the BBB.

[RCfun12]

Wh at do you guys think about your trucks? Do u love them or hate them?

[evaderbxbob]

hi mad force guys, i already own a 2.5 t-maxx. but thinking about a second truck. i have my eye on a few and the mad force is one of them. but i dont know anyone who owns one. i just wanted to know a few things:
what is the top speed?
is it a good jumper?
how is it on rollover (does it flip alot)?
is it pretty durable?
what is it's weak spots? motor? suspension?
last but not least, is it hard to get parts?

i would appreciate any comments!
my choices are narrowed down to :
mad force
savage
or wait for the AE B.F.T.

one last thought: can some one tell me the major difference between the mega force and the mad force(besides the engine)?


thanks for the help BOB

[atm92484_3]

You're defiently looking at 3 very closely matched trucks. I wouldn't wait on the BFT though. God knows when AE will get done testing and release it. If you want to build, the Mad Force is defiently the right choice but for racing, the independent suspension trucks might be a better idea.

The Mad Force tops out in the low 40s. I haven't had a lot of time to jump mine, but it seemed to be pretty good. Stock, its a little "bouncy" but the softer springs help a lot (this includes how easy it is to roll). I would say the truck is durable. I slammed mine into a concrete step at 30 mph and I only broke a front arm. I wouldn't say the truck has any weak spots, but aluminum bellcranks, universals, and softer springs aren't a bad idea along with a better pipe to get a little more power out of the engine (doesn't really need it though; truck is already almost too fast for its own good). Not too many LHS's stock Kyosho parts, but if yours is any good, they'll be more than willing to the parts on an order from Great Planes and get them in stock within a few days. From my experience, Kyosho parts are rarely out of stock. Also, the Mega Force is more like a T-Maxx in design and its parts are 1/10 scale while the Mad Force has a drivetrain based off of the Inferno buggies. Also, the Mega Forces aren't that fast.

[Hairball]

Originally posted by RCfun12
Wh at do you guys think about your trucks? Do u love them or hate them?

Love it to death.

[RCfun12]

I'm thinking about getting a MF they look sweet. But the bad thing is I have 2 wait for my Birthday so i will have enough $$$. Oh well. I can't wait:D

[Pepe the Timid]

Here are some pics of my four wheel steering setup. Hitec 645 Servo, Kippster Chassis, Yellow springs, several sets of Kyosho Mad Force linkage upgrades.
http://www.cubixcorp.com/IMAGES/mf4ws.jpg

http://www.cubixcorp.com/IMAGES/mfright.jpg
Turning Right

http://www.cubixcorp.com/IMAGES/mfleft.jpg
Turning Left

http://www.cubixcorp.com/IMAGES/mffront.jpg
Front Linkage

http://www.cubixcorp.com/IMAGES/mfrear.jpg
Rear Linkage

http://www.cubixcorp.com/IMAGES/mfcenter.jpg
Center Linkage

[atm92484_3]

Man, very nice work. I guess it is possible then. :p

[Kosika]

Originally posted by RCfun12
I'm thinking about getting a MF they look sweet. But the bad thing is I have 2 wait for my Birthday so i will have enough $$$. Oh well. I can't wait:D

You'r not alone!
I'm doing exactly the same time!
When is you'r birthday?
Mine is in the begining of April. :(

I want an Mad Force, NOW!!!!!
:mad:

[RCfun12]

You'r not alone!

My Birthday is in April to!:p But you'll be getting yours before mine. I have to wait tell the 20th

[RCfun12]

Do you guys recommend this truck? And is it durable and is the motor reliable? And do you guys got any more pics I can see.
Thanx This truck looks awsome.

[Kosika]

go to: www.madforce.net (http://www.madforce.net)

[rc10gtisthebest]

Hey,

I have had my Mad Force since mid Jan. And it's a great truck.

I am going to get some parts for it soon,

Picco .26 engine
New Era Steering Kit
New Era Arm Stiffeners
Yellow Springs
and a Bunch More Stuff.

But last Monday, i was driving on the street and i badly bent my front left axle (Diff-to-wheel).

Just thought it was kinda funny and i should share,
here's the pic:

[raderrustler]

What happened was your dogbone end pinched itself on the outdrive and whammo bent drive, I put a 1/8th inch piece of fuel tube in the out drive and a small piece in the cup on the diff and this cured the binding problem. just wanted to pass that along.
Randy

[raderrustler]

Just in case anyone was interested there is a Mad Force for sale cheap in the Buy/Sell/Trade section...check it out if you like the Mad Force
Randy

[RCfun12]

Would Ofna Titan rims fit on the Mad Force??:confused:

[rc10gtisthebest]

No the Titan rims will not fit. They are 19mm and the Titan's are 17mm I believe.

-Todd

[atm92484_3]

This truck just proved its self to me. After a good thrashing, it took 2 days and about 5 tanks of gas to finally disable the truck (included is 1 full speed head on collision into a flowerbed with 4x4s around the end, a ton of lands on pavement from 10+ feet in the air, and a ton of flips and crashes). After bending the front center dogbone from the head-on (only damage), I was able to keep going until I knocked a shock off and a couple jumps later broke the axle on that side.

[RCfun12]

Does the Mad Force Jump well? or does jumping bend the axles?

[atm92484_3]

I think the Mad Force jumps pretty good. Its really easy to adjust its attitude in mid-air and even if you go off the jump sideways, the torque from the wheels seem to straighten it out.

[rc10gtisthebest]

For being a solid axle MT yes it drives and Flys VERY WELL. Not as good as my Dom but my mad force still flys verywell...



I finally got SOME of my parts in from being on back order since FEB. LOL. I got 2 sets of Diff Gears (one incase), Yellow Springs, adn double shock mounts. I am still waiting on my stuff from New Era but ohwell...

But when i was putting the diff back together i couldn't find one of my Bevel Shafts.... Which pisses me off, cause i knew i had the shaft... Oh well, i guess i will have to go LHS crusing (12 of them to choose from, Some not so local. LOL)

-Todd

[Peter Schultz]

so how well does the stock engine work? easy to use/tune? I have a t-maxx with a trx.15 pro, and I broke it in all wrong, so i'm looking to get a trx2.5 maxx and a madforce, so i'm wondering how well does it run, and how stable is it? I have a big field in front of my house, and a couple small jumps alog side, and lots of woods behind me(perfect bashing area). also, how well does it work in really rough stuff? (tree roots, rocks, pig snow/dirt piles)

[twisted]

does anyone know where i can get a nice used mad force?? if so email me asap. thanks

[tcerventes]

hi guys,

i know this questioned could have been discussed a lot of times, but i am newbie, so please help me.

I am looking for tuned pipe for my mad armour, either paris or Rb.
Wants more low end and cooler temperature.

Wats is the difference between rb063 and 086?
Many ppl says 063 is meant for low end , but from official web, its shows that 086 wins in term of torque and speed.
I am confused, thats why need ppl with expriences to advise.

Is paris pipe any good?

Among theses few which should i get for loe end power and cooler running temp?

[twisted]

the rb pipes are made out of a thin metal and dent rather easily,paris makes an al650 dual chamber pipe and is a great pipe fpr low end mid range. if you want to go with a rb pipe consider ofna's 083,its just like the rb pipe but made out of better metal.i hope this helps.

[tcerventes]

Your infos certainly helps!

thanks!

[twisted]

no problem. :)

[rc10gtisthebest]

I will be getting 5 sets of Custom Milled Suspension arms back from the Machinist shop tomorrow.

I will be keepong two of the sets so i will have 3 left over. If anyone is interested in them LMK and i might be able to hook you up.

Thanks,
Todd
VansMan4689@aol.com

[roooo]

My mad force does'nt pull whellies...i need some help her ?

The engine is runing good ,but i think it needs some adjustments? :confused: :D

[rc10gtisthebest]

Mine doesn't seem to either... i never really worried about it cause I knew i was going to make mine a race truck.

Then when i made it RWD only it seemed to wheelie but wouldn't stay up...

Sorry if i couldebe of no assitance.

Also BTW,

I have a Spare NEW ERA RACING long titanium bone (for extended mode) that i have left over if anyone is interested.

It's brand new... Still in package...

[theramman]

Might anyone be interested in a 4-link kit for the mad force?

[ImpulseGTP]

how much is it? pls send pics and the price to my email. thx
impulsegt@hotmail.com

[theramman]

We are in final stages of production/R&D. We should have some pics shortly. Pricing is still being worked out, but will be very palletable.

[jgjonjg]

I got my new mad force RCX version last Friday, and have been pretty pumped with building. Will be done shortly and will post pics if anyone is interested.

Anybody have any tips to suggest to a new mad forse owner?:p

[Kosika]

Originally posted by Peter Schultz
so how well does the stock engine work? easy to use/tune? I have a t-maxx with a trx.15 pro, and I broke it in all wrong, so i'm looking to get a trx2.5 maxx and a madforce, so i'm wondering how well does it run, and how stable is it? I have a big field in front of my house, and a couple small jumps alog side, and lots of woods behind me(perfect bashing area). also, how well does it work in really rough stuff? (tree roots, rocks, pig snow/dirt piles)
I'm verry impressed by the mad force engine.
It often starts on 2-3pulls, and if it don't just loosen the glowplug a little, then it starts.
I'm also impressed that it tackles rought terrain with ease.
Rocks, grasss ntre roots; No problem.
The onlt thing that can make this stand still is it drives on an tre or somthing in the middle of the drive axle. But that makes the most trucks stand still.

I would like all here to pay a visit to madforce.net
On the forums there you find lots of info and help.

[jgjonjg]

Here is a picture of the guts

[jgjonjg]

And one with the body mounted

[Jimmy33]

hi thinksing of buying a nitro truck (not a novice me!) and wondering why should I get this (expensive) truck and not something else?

[jgjonjg]

Originally posted by Jimmy33
hi thinking of buying a nitro truck (I'm not a novice!) and wondering why should I get this (expensive) truck and not something else?

Well pal, I live in Japan, and for me Living in Japan, Nothing can beat kyosho's online parts ordering service. As to price, the Mad Force RCX here is cheaper than the HPI Savage, but a little more Expensive than the Tamiya Terra Crusher.

Having said that, The Mad force RCX is a great value, it comes standard with full options, including the following options:Universal Center shafts, special Manifold, Polished Hard Side Plate, Polished Hard Under plate, Double Shock Stay, Ultra Soft Springs, Special Steering rod set, the Aluminium Steering crank, And the OS21RG-X engine. Which is cheaper than buying the previous version of the truck and getting all the options after the fact.

The 3 speed tranny is cool, and the suspension is good, the Truck is tough, and it handles alright. I like it.

Now having said this, Where do You live? Are you in the USA? If you are, Why not look at a TMAX. You see for me, Parts availability, and the availability of options is really important. THere are seemingly limitless parts for the TMAX in the US, but for me to import all those trick toys would far outweigh the bennifits of having my Mad force here. Just depends what you like. Me I like Kyosho, I have 3 of them.

Does this answer your question, or help at all?

[Jimmy33]

nope I am in the UK and getting parts can be good and it can be bad (LHS) it wouldn't be my 1st kyosho or last (Landmax1 and 2, mulitple ready sets Vone S and Stadium Truck - got a long history with Kyosho! :) ). I cannot get my hands on a T Maxx easily so the other choise would be the Thunder Tiger EK4 or the Team Assoiciated truck sold through thunder tiger. The truck is for bashing and maybe (not likely raceing) Oh and what is the advantage of solid axil? :p

Whats the parts number for the RCX? and what is the price difference bectween the standard and RCX

[jgjonjg]

Originally posted by Jimmy33
nope I am in the UK and getting parts can be good and it can be bad (LHS) it wouldn't be my 1st kyosho or last (Landmax1 and 2, mulitple ready sets Vone S and Stadium Truck - got a long history with Kyosho! :) ). I cannot get my hands on a T Maxx easily so the other choise would be the Thunder Tiger EK4 or the Team Assoiciated truck sold through thunder tiger. The truck is for bashing and maybe (not likely raceing) Oh and what is the advantage of solid axil? :p

Whats the parts number for the RCX? and what is the price difference bectween the standard and RCX

Well in Japan The RCX version runs for about 48000yen, that is a little over 13000 more than the previous version. If you add up the cost of the upgrades if purchased seporately, it excedes this cost, and that does not include the cost of upgrading to the OS21RG-X engine if you wanted.

When It comes to the solid axle I would say that the main advantage is just durability. I have been beating the **** out of my truck, and it loves it. Very good design. I would say that the stability you loose in the solid axle is made up for in durability.

And that OS21RG-X engine is great pumps out a lot of power.

If you are interested I could direct you to a Japanese shop which would ship to you in the UK, as I dont think that the RCX version has been released outside of Japan.

Just send me a PM, with your email address, and I will send it along, and If you had any language problems I could help you out too.

Take care

[jgjonjg]

sorry part No.31222, I think.

[Information Man]

WOW, I was just reading though some posts for different RC kits
and just wanted to say that the Mad Force looks to be not only a blast to drive but one he11 of a tuff truck..

Being that I am the Information Man :D

I wanted to pass some along
check thes guys out..


www.benderstore.com (http://www.benderstore.com)

They carry a kit for the Mad Force/Armour, I just got my kit for my 7.5 and I am amazed at the quality so I want to share ( maybe they'll send me money...LOL )

here is the link for kyosho kits
Kyosho Kits (http://www.benderstore.com/kits/kyosho/kyosho.htm)

have a GREAT DAY !!

Info Man

[Jimmy33]

as I have a pullstart RG MAX OS ngine (which doesn't fit in my Landmax I might try and get the standard verssion and put it in that - thanks for the info!

[rc10gtisthebest]

What happened to this forum?


Did everyone move to the MaxxTraxx Forum??:eek: :confused:

[kujiro]

lot of problem on my mad force. pull start won't lock. it' harder for me to start the engine. it seem the one way bearing are sliping. then i've broken diff gear at the front. my drive shaft at the front on the left side has cut into two pieces. :mad:

[rc10gtisthebest]

Kujiro,

Take the pullstart off and clean the one-way. Also another easy fix so if it does that agian is to drill a small hole in the back of the pullstarter and when ever it slips just squirt some Nitro Clean in there.

Next, The Diff Gears are a big problem. They are made out a Flimsy Aluminum and don't stand a chance at lasting. Your best bet is to stock up on diff gears or try and find another manufactuer that has the same sized diff gears in steel.
OR, you could just replace the entire diff with another manufactorer's diff.


Finally, That is the longest Drive shaft I've seen yet. On any car or truck. How did it snap? Just straight on power driving or when you were turning on power? Because I could only assume it would snap under power.


-Todd

[Mini-Z man]

Hey,

I have seen the tip about using fuel lines to fix the rear dog bone that keeps poping off. I don't understand it, but does it work? How do I fix this problem? Anyone have pictures? I'm looking for a free solution to this problem. I saw another tip but it looks like it involved many expensive parts.

Thanks,

Adam

[rc10gtisthebest]

Put a 1/16" tro 1/8" of an inch piece of fuel tubing into the drive cup from the diff.. (Look At Picture)...

-Todd

[kujiro]

Originally posted by Mini-Z man
Hey,

I have seen the tip about using fuel lines to fix the rear dog bone that keeps poping off. I don't understand it, but does it work? How do I fix this problem? Anyone have pictures? I'm looking for a free solution to this problem. I saw another tip but it looks like it involved many expensive parts.

Thanks,

Adam

better u buy a tmaxx turn buckle to slove this problem. u can refer from this web to help u out.
http://www.madforce.net

[kujiro]

Originally posted by rc10gtisthebest
Kujiro,

Take the pullstart off and clean the one-way. Also another easy fix so if it does that agian is to drill a small hole in the back of the pullstarter and when ever it slips just squirt some Nitro Clean in there.

Next, The Diff Gears are a big problem. They are made out a Flimsy Aluminum and don't stand a chance at lasting. Your best bet is to stock up on diff gears or try and find another manufactuer that has the same sized diff gears in steel.
OR, you could just replace the entire diff with another manufactorer's diff.


Finally, That is the longest Drive shaft I've seen yet. On any car or truck. How did it snap? Just straight on power driving or when you were turning on power? Because I could only assume it would snap under power.


-Todd

i'm already done the nitro cleaning. but it seem i need to push a bit at the back side of the starter to wrk it out. i think i need to replace the starter. then u mention to drill a hole at the pull starter. so i asking my self where to drill the hole and how big?

[rc10gtisthebest]

Opps. My Bad. I thought he was about the drive shafts with in the axles.. OPPS!

:rolleyes: :D :eek:

[kujiro]

:confused: i thought it is center drive shaft

[Mini-Z man]

yes the shaft that goes from the diff to the rear wheels. The shaft that goes to the front wheels from the brakes to front wheels never pops off. Just the rear one. When This happens the MF is front wheel drive and drives wierd because it's too powerful and needs 4wheel drive to get the power to the ground. I'll try that fuel hose thing. What's maxx turnbuckles going to do? I realy don't want to spend money.

when you say diff you mean the thing in the center of the truck with two shafts coming out, one has the brake pads and the other goes to the rear wheels. The center shaft going to the back always pops out. i'm looking for this solution. That fuel hose will fix it, right?

Edit: Just checked that link you sent me, I'm going to try to find the shafts on tower and order them.. going on vacation for a week or two so it's no rush to get them at my lhs... neat idea.

[Mini-Z man]

Found the turnbuckles on tower, but which ones? Looks like the older tmaxx used 96mm and the newer tmaxx used 108mm. Which one should I get?

Theres also rear turn buckles that are 118mm. Should I get these instead? and I noticed theres only 1 hole on the link arm. that means I have to drill another hole? thanks,

adam

[rc10gtisthebest]

Originally posted by kujiro
i'm already done the nitro cleaning. but it seem i need to push a bit at the back side of the starter to wrk it out. i think i need to replace the starter. then u mention to drill a hole at the pull starter. so i asking my self where to drill the hole and how big?

look at your pullstarter assembly. You will notice on the back that there is a raised section. Drill about a 1/8" or so hole at that raised spot...

As For Mini-Z Man,

You may want to check out New Era's Arm Supports. IMO they're alot more effective and you dont have to drill a single hole! And they look alot nice (if you polish them..).

[rc10gtisthebest]

Mini-Z,

Here is a link to the arm supports. NewEraModels Mad Force Arm Supports (http://www.neweramodels.com/cgi-bin/item.cgi?session_id=chjgtvbwlminfudvdcvpnladstbfre sb&part_id=1516&photo_id=868)

And Kujiro, Here is a pic to help you out.

[Mini-Z man]

I'm going to try finding some kind of scrap metal that will reinforce the arms so I don't have to spend any money. The person I bought this MF from also included extra new in package arms so if I mess up, I'll have extra arms. Atleast now I know the problem of the shaft popping out, and how to solve it.

[Tjappie]

He guys, check this out! Me and my friend where racing our cars, he has a new FG 1.6 marder, and my MF needed some new parts, so i thought let's do a wild jump before a rebuild it.
Damage: 1 bent chassis plate, the square one, and the rear drivecup, dogbone and the bearing on the bevelgear blew off!!!

[Tjappie]

he, it doesn't work?

[Mini-Z man]

how big was the jump?

[Tjappie]

about 4-5 meter high. it wen't almost straight up in the air, and landed with the back on tarmac(thats the black stuff roads are made off, right?)
i just need to find out how to post the movie

[kujiro]

man. you are really srewing up your car.

[rc10gtisthebest]

Yea that must of been a hard hit.

I did something similar to that. I cam of a jump at my track and kept on the gas on accident (stupid me). And Bent my New Era Chassis, 6mm thick of 7075 CNC Aluminum! And even with the arm supports my rear bone popped out and the shock was ripped off the lower mount...

[Mini-Z man]

I would like to get some more power out my madforce.. that header looks awfuly small. What would be options with exhaust systems? Could any header/exhaust fit? I saw a duratrax header and tuned pipe for a .21 engine on ebay for 5 bucks but I don't know if it would have fit. i heard something about an adaptor?

[rc10gtisthebest]

If you want power just pick up a RB pipe.

This is the adaptor I think your thinking of. http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXAGD1&P=7

I am not 100% sure it would work but it seems like it would. I say for $10 its worth a shot. and you can always return it to tower. And if it does work you wont be limited to any pipe..

[challenger440-6]

so where can i find softer spring for one of these bad boys?

i been toyin between this and a x-factor?
any suggestions

[jeroen]

check this link (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0095p?FVPROFIL=++&FVSEARCH=maw005&FVPROFIL=++)

[San Miguel]

I've been using the softest springs XTM makes for there 1/8 scale shocks and they've worked out good. They also come in 2 different lengths. Try www.hobbypeople.net for them

[challenger440-6]

i read somehwere, madforce.net i think, that you should use the kyosho short springs instead of kyosho soft springs. i can get a link if you want it.

[rc10gtisthebest]

the yellow springs I recieved from tower. (the ones posted above) where like an inch shorter then my org. springs :confused:

-Todd

[jeroen]

Originally posted by rc10gtisthebest
the yellow springs I recieved from tower. (the ones posted above) where like an inch shorter then my org. springs :confused:

-Todd

Indeed,and they are a lot softer maybe too soft for a stock setup

[challenger440-6]

ok sweet

[hung_kuen]

helo everybody!

jeroen-
so you are here as well :D

i am becoming seriosly hooked on rc:D :D i am fearly new to the game and have a landmax 2 but after a lot of reserch i have sold my mountain bike and today i confirmed an order at tower fore an mad force rcx edition:D
the only thing is that i live in norway so it could take some time.
and the rcx edition is cheaper from tower then the stock is here even with shiping... easy choise..
I thinked about the ek4s2 but it came down to the right choise :D

[jeroen]

Ho

Hi there.

You did the right thing.

The RCX is the most smartest too buy is you want a madforce(I have spent some money into my madforce,but the RCX wasn't availbe 1 year ago)

Kinda strange,we have almost the same cars.

If you have it I can highly recomment too built the 3 speed tranny in your landmax after some time offcourse,it's so much fun

The madforce is so much fun too drive,just as the landmax is for rally action.

I also ordered some stuff from tower but I do not think it will take that long too ship it too Europe.

P.S

I'm building up my madforce totally at the moment with some nice stuff

Here's a preview (http://members.lycos.nl/kyoshorccars/madforce/pictures/8.jpg)

If you do not already know This (http://www.ultimaterc.com/forums/forumdisplay.php?s=&forumid=44) forum

It's the coolest madforce forum at the moment.

[hung_kuen]

Jeroen
looking weary nice i am looking foreward too see the how it goes.
yea it was kind of funny right after i orderd it i whent here and the first thing i noticed was that you where posting here as well :) i will check out your link..cant wait to get my mad force

[jeroen]

Pictures of my rebuilt madforce (http://members.lycos.nl/kyoshorccars/newpage0.html)

The only thing too do is painting a madarmor body in black and yellow

[hung_kuen]

jeroen-

Looks super sweet man:D
you got to put down a hop up list.. is that o.s rg-x engine?

I see you customized some mud gards on your lm, are they effective.
My engine problems are long gone i finaly got it right.. learned a hole lot of things....

[jeroen]

Nope it's an XTM 24.7

I will make a list soon

The mud guards are still from the winter periode,they will work but not 100% effective.

Do you already know when your madforce is coming

[hung_kuen]

whitin 10 to 30 days so i got my fingers crossed

[Z-tuner]

Where can I get the Mad force RCX on-line?, Thank's

[Z-tuner]

Ok, I've found it at Tower, but is much more expensive than the regular one, there's really such a big difference between the two cars?

[jeroen]

Yes

Big difference

Engine is better and stronger

And is has all the option parts.

If you would go for a 'normal' madforce,and put on al this parts.
You will pay way over the $1100

[Z-tuner]

Ok, tahnk's, taht's what I wanted to hear, is very difficult to get hop-ups in Spain because Monster are not very popular and you have to wait weeks or months to receive the pieces from the LHS due they don't stock monster parts, I whant a full option car.

[jeroen]

Here in the Netherlands,parts are also bad too get you hand on.

So I only order them from tower,within 2 weeks I have them.

Towerhobbies rulez for my kyosho parts!

[hung_kuen]

Jep tower is fast... my mad force arived att the norwegian custum in 6 days.. but then they are wery slow+somebody unleashed a giant computer virus here in norway that included the custum so i dont know how long it will take from there.. so close but still so far away

[jeroen]

Too bad this **** happens too you right now

I hope It still will come this week.

[hung_kuen]

They released it from custum yesterday so i think i`ll get it tomorrow:D :D

[casper-b]

Hi
Is this forum still alive?
casper :confused: :(

[jeroen]

Nice too hear hung kuen

This forum is not too bussy :(
But check madforce.net for a bussy forum

[jeroen]

Hung_kuen

Are you finished yet

Me want too see pictures of your car. :D

Just kindin.

Let me know when you're ready

[hung_kuen]

I have taken lots of pictures.. nothing to worry about.
I have been buildig it over at my girlfriends place so i havent the usb cable fore my digital camera but i`ll post some pictures later today.
I have gone trough 5 tanks of fuel now and are one my way to finish number 6.
it was awsome to see the mf one two wheels,i already love this truck and are looking foreward to pull the throttel all the way.
I have one problem thoug,my steering rods (the two that goes to the steering hubs) are already bent foreward (i`ll post pics later today).
i havent crashed yet and have only broken in my engine ,in other words driving slow :confused:
good to here that you are interrested
Ì`m going out now to drive tank nr 6 one step closer to finish my breakin,must be pacient.

[hung_kuen]

This is how it turned out.... the body does not look like this anymore..

[hung_kuen]

This is how it turned out.... the body does not look like this anymore..

[hung_kuen]

one more...

[hung_kuen]

The body is now full of scratches and paintless spots after todays session :D

[jeroen]

:D

Very nice

The RCX version is so cool.

I will post some action shots of mine as asp

[jeroen]

Hi again

The guy who made the action pictures was very fast with uploading them too me.

So here they are

My first real action shots(although 3 are not real action )

Action pictures (http://members.lycos.nl/kyoshorccars/meeting/)

[SteinR]

Hung Kuen, What did Tower charge you in transport, and what did customs charge?

[hung_kuen]

Good to see a fellow norwegian on the forum:D
Tower charged me 68dollars fore air cargo and it arived here in 6 days impresive! they can send it by land witch is cheper but can take up to 3 months..
custum charged me 1500 nok so you still save alot.
good luck with the ordering

[kujiro]

do you think it is gonna be fun to have a race using madforce on a touring race track... i'm trying to run the event on the end of this month... spec of the monster truck are

1. participant must using stock/upgrade the suspension but
no lowering the cg.... oh my...i wonder how it goes while
cornering :D
2. 21 powerplant
3. only mad force/mad armour can join the race

is it a good idea...at least it bring the laughter to the spectator :rolleyes: any opinion before i run this even

[hung_kuen]

I think that the spectators will love it cause its so fun just watching one of them bash... give it a shot

[hung_kuen]

I discoverd a new jump yesterday,it was awsome but it had some dangerouse things one both sides of the landing zone chech it out....

[hung_kuen]

I managed to pull the jumps almost to the bottom of the hill..

[hung_kuen]

when i found out how awsome the jump was i pulled out my camera and let my brother take some shots, but we only got one shot before i crashed into the steel construction..

[hung_kuen]

new parts are one their way + a new Special mp-6 pipe

[jeroen]

Nice bashing place

I see you have had some fun with the mf,although some parts did not survived it.

I would love too see some nice action shots of that bashing place, when the new parts are on.

I see that you did not have the TB trick on those suspension arms,I can highly recomment them,maybe it is not needed for the axle poping,but they also keep the suspension arms straight,and can help when a big impact is coming of a crash,so that stuff is not braking any more.

Me can't drive also,pullstart cable of the xtm 24.7 come lose.

Hope I can fix it soon.

[hung_kuen]

I have just fixed it and pics are coming... i cant wait fore my new pipe,i hope the custums are faster this time

[jeroen]

Which pipe did you buy?

I like the new kyosho madforce rear exhaust,but it way too expensive for me right now.

A friend of my makes also rearexhaust pipes for the mf,so I'll think I go with one of those

You are buying all your stuff in Amerika?

Is it so hard too buy cheap parts in your country.

[FrankT]

Just ordered my mad force rcx today...tower has on sale for a good price...that's one reason I'm selling my hopped up savage,need alittle extra money for some more parts.I can't wait to get it and build.
:)

[TeeGeeRacer]

Greetings all you lucky Mad Force owners!!!

Anyways I'm really thinking about getting one but I'd like to know what are some issues with the truck that I should look out for? I could look page by page through this thread but I'm on slow a$$ dial up so bear with me.

[hung_kuen]

Jeroen- Im getting the IFW037 from kyosho it looks wery good.
post a link to the rear exhaustpipe i have never seen it..
I fixed my mf 2 days ago and broke the same part one the first tank of fuel.
I hit a puddle of water at full speed and crashed into my neighbours fence
:(
I save mony ordering from usa but only one a big order.
im now a member of towers super saver club and get discounts one shipping and big orders

FrankT- look into neweramodels fore some goodies..
suspensione suport rods are one my list..

[jeroen]

Wow

The most expensive exhaust :D

I also want too be come a super saver customer.

http://www.rc-racingcars.com/parts/images/uitlaat.jpg

It's hand made,It is not the most beautifull one(need too be polished by me)but it will do the job.
And I hate the exhaust smoke coming too my chassis and tires,so that every bit of sand will stick on it.

P.S how is the O.S engine.

I want 1 new for my landmax,but is has too be a quick 1,do you think the O.S RG is much quicker than the GS21.
Or maybe I'll just buy a ofna hyper 8 port for only $120

[FrankT]

Ok ....Thanks

[hung_kuen]

I think it will look great after an polish..

O.s rg is a wery good engine it has a smooth powerband,it gives good power all over.
It has good low&high end.
final word it beats the gs21

Does anyone have the part nr fore the rear drive shaft one the rcx edition,i cant find my manual

[jeroen]

This One (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXV725&P=Z) : IFW045

Nice too hear that the RG is good

I'm very bussy painting my mad armor body,it's a lot of work

[FrankT]

just got my mad force rcx today in the mail....wow what a truck..I see in the box that the diffs are built..so I don't need to take them apart to add oil??? and for all 8 shocks what would be a good wt oil..
Thanks Frank:)

[jeroen]

Make sure the diff screws are tighten enough.

try 15 wt oil for the shocks

Good luck building it

Finally finished my mad armor body yesterday.
Here some pictures of it in my garden.

pictures (http://members.lycos.nl/kyoshorccars/armor1.html)

[FrankT]

nice truck...
Thanks

[FrankT]

diff screw's were on the outside???
Thanks

[rc10gtisthebest]

Frank, Kyosho just puts a very slender amount of grease in the diffs, once I put some oil in mine it handled so much better.


Here's my mad force waiting for an engine..... Hopefully I'll get that Sirio Soon...

[FrankT]

That's a sweet truck...what weight oil did you use..
Thanks

[rc10gtisthebest]

I filled the diffs with this mixture:

85%10,000wt
15%100,000wt

It works very well, but I think I should have just done straight up 10,000wt but I wanted it to be able to get over stuff with out getting stuck because of the wheels spinning..

[jeroen]

Nice chassis

A sirio that thing is gone a fly:D

You put a good mixture of oil in your diffs 10000 is too thin.

Went too the beach today,with soem other trucks,but they are not too be seen at my pictures.

Take a look:Madforce at see (http://members.lycos.nl/kyoshorccars/atsea1.html)

Made a small slow wheely video also:small wheely video (http://members.lycos.nl/kyoshorccars/madforce/videos/wheely.avi)

Isn't the sea beautifull,for some nice shots:)

[FrankT]

what's a good wt just for backyard bashing??
Thanks Frank

[jeroen]

I do not know which diff oil thickness is right for different kinds of terrain.

I used 30000 and it works just well.

Although I think 10000/20000 will do for some backyard bashing

[rckid11]

How hard is it to build one if it would be my first kit.

[hung_kuen]

This forum is starting to move:D

Jeroen- the beach looks like a good bashing place.. i got my new pipe and some other stuff today butt i am out off town visiting my brother so im not able to get any pics or test it until the end off the week...thanks fore the link

FrankT- im looking foreward too see some pics when you are done..

one week without my cars im counting days....

[hung_kuen]

Originally posted by rckid11
How hard is it to build one if it would be my first kit.

No problemo..... yust take your time:D

[rckid11]

Thanks. I think I am going to get one. They look sweet!

[FrankT]

hopefully this weekend ,I'll start working on it.
Frank:)

[rckid11]

What is the difference between the mad force and the mad armor?

[jeroen]

Hung-Kuen

I have bought a polished RB 9886 pipe from a friend for a low price:D
If you did not ordered the kyosho one already,You could have got mine RB for a low price.

FrankT did you have the RCX?
If so very nice,cause the box is the same as a stock madforce only a RCX sticker onto the side.

RCkid11

The only differende is that the mad armor had longer drivecups and a other body.
So it's more a choise which body you like the most.
But if you have a little more money too spent(or safe 1 more month)get the RCX it's loaded with option parts for a low price,and a O.S RG instead of the GS21 which is not such a fast/strong engine.

Good too see this forum is starting to move(just like the landmax forum on this board)

[FrankT]

I just got it a 2 days ago..

[hung_kuen]

Jeroen- the pipe has arrived but i have a friend that might be intrested. would the pipe work well with a 15 engine.

rckid11- Save one more month like jeroen said and get the rcx edition you`ll save a lot off money

FrankT- You better start building that thing soon.... yust kidding:D

Its yust 3 days left.. then i can go home and paint my new mad armour body and attach the new pipe:D

[FrankT]

I no...I can't wait...just been busy this week.so over the weekend I should get in some wrenching time.
Frank:)