Kyosho Mad Force/Mad Armor

[NitroRookie]

That the new name for the New Kyosho Solid Axle Nitro Monster Truck.

What do you guys think of what you seen so far from the recent vid?

[RCtinkerman]

Looks interesting, but I hear it's only a prototype. Expect a lot of changes.:confused:

[J.D.]

i think the monster x will be a great truck, it look awesome right now. I also like it because its a very different of an approach to the monster truck that a presently availvable. As soon as it come out even if it is changed i will still buy it.

[Archerboi]

In the new issue of RCCA they have a picture of it with out the body on in the "inside scoop" page. They say it may be the nitro USA-1 replacement.

[DaMaXXer]

Well I found out by emailing Kyosho and they said it is coming out the end of June. I guess it isnt a prototype

[r.c.dealer]

If its coming out in June, then the prototype in RCCA is finalized and probably already in production. Looks like a nice design. If the price is right, Kyosho will have a winner! Is it going to be RTR or a kit?

[RCtinkerman]

Hey man, don't hold your breath. I've got a feeling it'll be a long time coming. But if gets here before another Nitro Monster Truck I know, i'll buy it!!!

[Usagi]

That truck might be release some time in Aug........More info coming in mid may.......

[RCtinkerman]

Usagi, it's only a prototype, there's really not that much out about it. Or am I missing something?

[Usagi]

Tink, well we hear more in mid may.....

[DaMaXXer]

Watch if you email Kyosho they will say it will be realeased at the end of June, So I believe what the say

[Usagi]

hehehhehehe :D

[DaMaXXer]

What u laughing at???

[Usagi]

:p .......no comment

[DaMaXXer]

I am just trying to say if you email Kyosho they will tell you it is coming out the end of June.

[Archerboi]

Can't someone make a decal that says "Monter X"? RCCA made one up for the prototype, maybe we can get them from RCCA. Thats a cool name.

[Usagi]

:D I know..........:)

[atm92484_3]

I really hope Kyosho doesn't change too much from the prototype. That truck looked good. As long as its a kit and it gets a good review from some mags (durability mainly), I think I'll be ordering one and an O.S. RG. :)

[RCtinkerman]

Hummm..... Could this be Kyosho's bid against the Terra Crusher:confused: Anybody know the real name of the truck or is that it, "Monster X"?

[Possumbot]

the name is the Mad Force, and its not really in the same class as the TC, its in the MP, NQ,TQ, and MPD, the 1/8 scale buggy based class, even though its not. The TC, T-Maxx, and The Mega Force are in the Maxx class, 8 shocks, reversing tranny, stuff like that.

[MegaDeTH]

Umm, all those trucks fall in same class here, and the TQ has reverse, it's less buggy like than the other kits. And isnt the TC a 1/8 scale truck? L8r mega

[BigDaddy78]

Possum your smoking crack. The Mad Force is no way near based on a buggy. Its based on a buggy like my man boobs are based on Jennifer Love Hewitts hot little pricklers.

Just because a truck has eight shocks doesnt make it monster truck like. The TXT is an example of a "True Monster Truck". I have a TQ and its awesome, but I have a lot of hope for this truck as it could be sweet as heck.

Rock On

[BigDaddy78]

USAGI knows something we dont know.

USAGI do you work for Kyosho, tell us the scoop.

[Archerboi]

UAGI, mid may is 2 weeks away, don't let us down like some people do with the info on the "new T-Maxx" :p

[Possumbot]

don't know what i was thinking when i said that the MF was a buggy based truck.



Possum your smoking crack

ur not a cop r u?

[RCtinkerman]

It's reviewed in the June 2002 issue of Nitro. Is this a kit or RTR? I've never seen a ladder chassis Nitro truck before, interesting. It has only one angled shock per wheel for a reason, it wouldn't work well with two. It's definately breaking new ground.

[seca95]

I belive it is going to be a kit

[spyderwrksN'=w=]

hey guys! i was thinking today today that i might want to sell my mp and buy a monster X....i heard about a guy who made his jugg 2 into a nitro and ever since then ive been thinking about a nitro that has HUGE articulation abilities.....do you think that the monster X has as much articulation as a jugg2 or txt1...it is after all straight axle! what do u think?

[BigDaddy78]

Its a kit and its 479.00 at tower hobbies. Due at end of june.

Looks sweeeet!!!!

MAD FORCE (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p.pgm?Q=1&I=LXCGR3&P=7)

[Possumbot]

it doesn't have the articulation of an electric truck, watch the vid of it on the car action site. I hope that price goes down though, i heard it was gonna b about 380, which is better.

[Fetztang]

it doesnt have any articulation at all i think. the susspension links are 2 flat bars that dont twist they just pivot strait up and down. so one side of the axle cant go up independently of the other.
hope that helps
Brian

[Possumbot]

i did notice that in the design. But only time will tell on the suspension, and if the truck is n e good, new era, supermaxx, hardcore, and ballistic stupidity will probably make 4 link suspension upgrades, 8 shock mounts, and complete aluminum cars.

[atm92484_3]

With the 4 link suspension, how hard would it be to buy some TXT ones (either stock or aftermarket), hack off the stock plastic mounts, and bolt the TXT ones on?

[DaMaXXer]

Dont you think with that .21 motor and 3 speed if you jumped a huge jump that those chassisplates or whatever those metal plates are are going to bend?

[MegaDeTH]

They shouldnt bend if you have the preload & oil correct, I would imagine they come setup for all around bashing, you would want to switch to some very heavy oil before you go jumping over 1:1 cars with it.

this of course is the same with all rc's, they are built for the average guy driving, not the supermaxx sized jumps..


as for articulation, you give up handling if you go 4 link, my txt-1 tilts sideways terrible bad just under the torque from the motors, turning is tricky, put 4 links on this truck and it'll be very tippy too..

I cant wait to get my hands on one, I'm waiting untill more reports come in, most rc's have bugs at first (t-maxx & terracrusher) I dont want to go threw all those bugs myself again. L8r mega

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

Originally posted by Fetztang
it doesnt have any articulation at all i think. the susspension links are 2 flat bars that dont twist they just pivot strait up and down. so one side of the axle cant go up independently of the other.
hope that helps
Brian

at maxxtraxx site an owner of one says it can have one wheel on a pop can while the other 3 wheels contact the ground. So it does have some articulation

[Clemens]

I don't like the solid-axle concept at all, IMHO it just isn't designed for a .21 engine + 3 speed.

solid-axle + high CG + upper 40-speeds = baaaad handling.

but we'll see... :)

BTW: is the engine any good? i heard something of 1.2 HP and would get hot like hell... :confused:

//edit: New Pics! (http://www.imagestation.com/album/?id=4291763713)

+ Kyosho Vid (http://www.kyosho.co.jp/models/car-gp/madforce/MAD.mov)

(whew, watch those tires balooning @ fullspeed... :))

[r.c.dealer]

Pre Step 1:
Get rid of the plastic links that mount to the chassis and axles.
Step 1:
Mount the axles to some leaf springs.
Step 2:
Mount the leaf springs to the chassis.
Step 3
Get rid of the coil over shocks.
Step 4
Use just the shocks in place of the coil over shocks, and mount to the chassis and the axles.

There you have it, a truck with articulating supension that has decent handling with articulation. It may not be able to articulate as much as a TXT1 but who cares. It would be very trick if some one produces my idea for the Mad Force.



Who needs a 4 link suspension? Not me!

[Fetztang]

if you look close ly at the pictures you will see that there is no ball ends on either end of the susspension arms. and the point where it mounts on the chasis looks like it doesnt twist just goes up and down so unless the platic is flexing alot i dont think there is any articulation. maybe i am wrong who at rcca drove it? kevin i think i will drop him a pm unless some one who has driven it lets us know
Brian

[r.c.dealer]

If you follow my plan you basically eliminate those plastic arms. Oops I called them links, whatever there called.

My plan will give it good all around performance.With my plan it won't lean excessively like cantilever trucks when the truck is running on road or a track. With my plan the suspension will articulate for crawling.

[ecatbox]

kinda like a .21 powered BRUISER

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

Here is Major Maxx review of his Mad Force. Bunch of pics and one showing its articulation on the second page of review.
http://www.gatewayrc.com/Mad_Force_Review.htm

[r.c.dealer]

Pretty cool, the truck does have articultion.

Do the arms rotate on the axle housing, or do they twist?:confused:

[Possumbot]

im a little more worried about the angle on those shocks, i don't see how they can work at that angle.

[Fetztang]

ok i was wrong but now igot to know how that works. the part of the link that is mounted to the axle with a screw so those links must be twisting. any body know that guy and can get an answer from him?

that truck other wise looks pretty damn cool i think i might have to get one
Brian

[OrcSlayer]

This truck seems really cool. I was going to go ahead and buy a N. 'Pede but I saw some crawlers on rcmt and now I want one. With a solid axle suspension and everything, this truck looks like it will work.

[Nitromethane]

Here's my Mad Force taking on the local BMX track!!

http://nitromethane.bizhosting.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/t1.jpg http://nitromethane.bizhosting.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/t2.jpg http://nitromethane.bizhosting.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/t3.jpg http://nitromethane.bizhosting.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/t6.jpg http://nitromethane.bizhosting.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/t7.jpg http://nitromethane.bizhosting.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/t9.jpg http://nitromethane.bizhosting.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/t12.jpg http://nitromethane.bizhosting.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/t13.jpg

This truck is a beast!! It is a great jumper and is very durable!!

[ecatbox]

man that looks fun...can i come over and play?

[Possumbot]

nitro, would u b so kind as 2 explain how the suspension works?

[ecatbox]

the one thing goes up when the round thing goes over a bumpy thing

a delicious oatmeal cookie to the first person who can tell me:

1. how many teeth on the bell
2. how many teeth on the spurs
3. shaft size of the tranny

p.s. i think the plastic links are designed to twist, providing articulation...never underestimate the power of kyosho

and i'm sure they will have true four link kits and billet axles and every other kind of too-pricey hopup soon

[Possumbot]

is it me or does the wheelie bar look like a slim jim during jumping? it screaming snap me in half.

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

Originally posted by bukkake
the one thing goes up when the round thing goes over a bumpy thing

a delicious oatmeal cookie to the first person who can tell me:

1. how many teeth on the bell
2. how many teeth on the spurs
3. shaft size of the tranny



This isnt quite what youre wanting but this shows the specs of the truck gear ratios, clearance, size.
Goto bottom of page and click TECHNICAL DATA
http://www.kyosho.co.jp/models/car-gp/madforce/mad_force-j.html

[Nitromethane]

bukkake, Heck yea. Head on over anytime. I love hitting the BMX track.
If that link from Quake doesn't give you your answers, I could probably go down to the shop and count them up for you and measure, for a small labor fee.....:D :D

Possumbot, I will try and get you some close up pics of the suspension. It's just like a 1:1 monster truck with a linked solid axle with a shock at each corner.
Here's a good shot:
http://nitromethane.bizhosting.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/00_00023.jpg

The plastic braces actually help hold the axle from taking on to much torque and creating a twisting effect.
That' where a 4 link setup would not be any good for this truck I would think. It would give it to much twist.

The wheelie bar was very deceving to me as well. But on alot of my jumps I landed right on it and thought surely it was broke, but it gives just enough to take the pressure and bounces right back into shape.

Hey Quake, how's it goin? Thinking about getting one of these monsters?

I'm really happy with this truck!

[trackman]

i just recently bought kyosho Mad Force monster truck.. I think it is a bad a$$ truck..I really think it will out do the t-maxx..

Since I have been running this truck I can not complain about it.. For a 1/8 scale monster truck it handles very well.. The 3 speed tranny is BAd A$$..........The truck is going to be released in the U.S. in late june.. I bought mine in japan since thats were I live..

But I think the Mad Force is going to go real far in the Monster Truck World..

[Nitromethane]

Yea, it's a blast isn't?
I really hope it gets the support like that of the T-Maxx. It deserves it!!

They consider it a 1/10 scale though. Doesn't make a difference to me cuase half of the 1/10 scales are the same, or bigger size than the 1/8 scales. But I wondered when I got it what it was, and found out they call it a 1/10 scale...go figure:)

[Skribble]

Nitromethane, how did it handle on the BMX track? :confused:

[trackman]

I think the mad force will get the respect it deserves.. The only thing about the truck is that when you put the other shock kit on it, you will loose alittle of your suspension travle.

But that is a easy fix.

The truck is going to go far in the monster truck world.. Just make sure that you use a high touqure servo for the steering. That way the truck has the A$$ to turn them big wheels.

I will be posting some pics of my truck as soon as I can.

[trackman]

O.K Men..... I told you all that I had bought a Kyosho Mad Force a few weeks ago.. Well I am no longer intrested in this truck.. The truck has never been outdoors.. i just finished putting it together.. I am asking only what I paid for it..

Which is $300.00 plus shipping.. Shipping is $20.00.. I will try and get some pics of the truck to show everyone.. I am just waiting on my friend to come over with his camara to take the pics.. Like I said the truck is brand new and has never been outside my house.. I have put the truck together by the book.. I used loctite on all the parts that the book call for to use loctite on.. The truck is ready to go.. All it needs is radio gear.. i have high torqure servoes in the truck.. I have a Sanwa EGR-VR (125 oz/in) on the throtle and break. and a Sanwa EGR-VB 200 oz/in) on the steering.. If you want the servoes with the truck the price will be $440.00 plus $20.00 shipping.The servoes are brand new..they have never had power hooked up to them.. But if you want just the truck the price will be $300.00 plus $20.00 shipping..

If anyone is intrested in this truck please send me a e-mail at this address......john_baker75@hotmail.com or
a4jb@yta.attmil.ne.jp

Talk to you all later..

Best Reguards,
trackman

[NitroOwnsYou]

trackman,

How can you go and say this truck is badass, and then say you havent ran it a day in your life?? Go get a real truck, like an EK4 with a 2 speed! That is a bad ass truck! and yes Ive ran mine, actually Ive ran the snot out of it!

Jr

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

Originally posted by NitroOwnsYou
trackman
Go get a real truck, like an EK4 with a 2 speed!
Jr


Why would a person want to get a truck with all the problems the EK4 is having. All that power is no good if its broke down like most (not all) of them have done. There are problems STILL and so many that some hobby shops have stopped selling the thing. Mad Force is closer to a real truck than the buggy with big tires blown airplane engined bad diffs no customer support over priced plastic shocked EK4.

[MegaDeTH]

ROTFL that is so well said quake&shake, that's exactly what the ek4 is, buggy with bigtires and no customer support!

[NitroOwnsYou]

LOL Ive got a failproof diff fix, the thing has a 2 speed now, and will beat the snot out of any other truck out there! Who needs Customer support??? The truck is pretty indestructable now! Come look here at this forum EK4 Forum (http://www.faxonwell.com/midmadn/forum/index.php) , and you will want to throw out that small little .21 for a real mill like a TTR .70!

http://www.cartogra.com/rs/3C4FCFD0-7A4F-11D6-B42B-0090277A760E/screen

http://www.cartogra.com/rs/3C4FD003-7A4F-11D6-B42B-0090277A760E/screen


Jr

My RC's (http://www.cartogra.com/home/ViewMyAlbum.asp?coll_id=1384956)

[Skribble]

Who needs Customer support???Customer support is everything. Wait 'till you break a $5-10 piece, and can't find it .. :rolleyes: That will really piss you off. :)

[NitroOwnsYou]

Actually, its not CS I call for parts, its usually Cristian from www.autohausrc.com for parts! If I cant get it there, then I go and make one!:D BTW this thing has lots of parts available from its sister the EB4!

Jr

[Possumbot]

nitro, u have serious superiority complex problems, yes a ek4 with a 2 speed would probably beat a normal mt in a drag race, but how in hell do u turn that thing? and customer support is everything, no customer support no buy no parts made nothing available for ur car.

[Skribble]

and customer support is everything, no customer support no buy no parts made nothing available for ur car.Well said. :D

[MegaDeTH]

It's sister the eb4 bwhahah

it's a buggy... throw some solid axles on it and come back then

[grimlock3000]

Why would a person want to get a truck with all the problems the EK4 is having. All that power is no good if its broke down like most (not all) of them have done. There are problems STILL and so many that some hobby shops have stopped selling the thing. Mad Force is closer to a real truck than the buggy with big tires blown airplane engined bad diffs no customer support over priced plastic shocked EK4.

Very well said. The EK4 has had some outstanding issues for a long time and they are simply not getting addressed by TTR. Sure, its is a fast truck with lots of potential, but with no one there to back it up...

[NitroOwnsYou]

Mine runs flawlessly! Ill take it out against any other MT out there! Ill be putting the 2 speed into it soon enough! Also I kno TTR isnt there enough, but others and I have been there to get this baby running 100%!

[Possumbot]

i wanna c nitro owns u ek4 vs. the super shop mp, my moneys on the mp. Ur car won't b raceable with that much torque, i doubt u'll ever get up 2 top speed from the torque and radio range.

[Skribble]

Back to Mad Force, what are these for?

1.
http://www.kyosho.co.jp/models/car-gp/madforce/option/maw006.gif
2.
http://www.kyosho.co.jp/models/car-gp/madforce/option/maw004.gif
3.
http://www.kyosho.co.jp/models/car-gp/madforce/option/maw008.gif

[Nitromethane]

1. Is the upgraded steering rod linkage

2. Is the upgraded shock stay for running 2 shocks per corner

3. Not sure, but it looks like the stock mounting hardware for mounting the links to the chassis.

[NitroOwnsYou]

Originally posted by Possumbot
i wanna c nitro owns u ek4 vs. the super shop mp, my moneys on the mp. Ur car won't b raceable with that much torque, i doubt u'll ever get up 2 top speed from the torque and radio range.

Go here for a Video of EK4 with 2 speed! (http://www.faxonwell.com/RC/Video/ek4wins.wmv) Jack was running the big stock tires, so it was dancing in the corners, but we usually run the MT3 wheels with the dom tires. It will hit full speed, and is very controlable!

Ill race mine against a damn hybrid once mune is set up to where I want it!

[Nitromethane]

Since when have "Truck" races taken part on asphault??

Yes, that is quick on a straight away. But I would hate to see how the under par suspension would react on a real track.

As far as the comment on the Hybrid..... your kidding, right?:D
http://nitromethane.bizhosting.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/mphy1.jpg
http://nitromethane.bizhosting.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/uh1.jpg

[saiyanmanicomio]

ITs that a MP mixed with T maxx parts? Thats a good 21 conversion kit for T maxx or maybe suspension kit for a Monster Pirate

[vsnakebytev]

Remember this is about the MAD FORCE!

I really want one bad and its in perfect time for my B-DAY!

Then I will get the new Maxx if it ever comes out!

If you want to drive something similar to the mad force, well the closest you can get. Buy a TXT-1 then get the New Era Models Nitro conversion. It's no 3 speed but it's the closest you'll get w/ out actually driving the MAD FORCE. ALL I KNOW IS IT LOOKS GREAT AND I WANT ONE AND WILL GET ONE!

[MegaDeTH]

New era conversion isnt availible, and probably never will be. L8r mega

[Skribble]

well the closest you can get. Buy a TXT-1 then get the New Era Models Nitro conversion. No point, TXT-1 was made to climb. It would be too top heavy.

[MegaDeTH]

I bought a txt-1 as soon as I saw the new-era kit, now the txt-1 sits on a shelf. I absolutly hate electrics.

I dont think it would be to top heavy, the dual battery packs I ran in it were way heavier than a nitro engine/tank setup.

Gearing would be harder, the stock setup is geared too high for nitro.

I may do something with it someday, a really low geared e-maxx tranny hooked to my .40 would be cool, enough torque to climb. and 2nd gear for speed. L8r mega

[NitroOwnsYou]

Nmethane, We have all kinds of toys here to race. Ive got a Hybrid in the works that will be running everything under the sun with UE suspention to a JP Racing Pro 99 .21, or the TTR .70(yes we have put these beasts of a motor in a mp) And the EK4 is does have great potential in the dirt. It also has enough grunt to keep up with the high end .21's. It will handle as well as a hybrid once setup right! This truck fears nothing! Also it will pass the lil trucks in a full wheelie on the straights! Now thats a MT!

[Nitromethane]

saiyanmanicomio,
Yea that's a Monster Pirate with T-Maxx suspension. I've built quite a few now. My first one being a Monster Blazer with T-Maxx suspension, that was almost a year ago.
You can check them out here:
Hybrid Board (http://pub64.ezboard.com/bthehybrid)

[sean68]

i should have my mad force in about 6 days!!!!!!!!!! im ready!!

[Skribble]

I absolutly hate electrics.I'm starting to hate Electric .. Blew my second Cyclone 2 for the year. Probably because my bastard friend ran it without a capcitator on a 10x3. :mad: Main reason I'm switching to nitro is I won't have electric stuff anymore which my friends always borrow, and it get's returned like crap. Ah .. Now I gotta sell some stuff for the Mad Force. :D

[saiyanmanicomio]

I like it. It is very nice

[saiyanmanicomio]

I showed the video to my dad and I said to him "Dad you got to buy that truck" :D

[zzest]

i was at the lhs yesterday, and it was there!! hey i thought i had to wait till it appears at the tower hobbies website b4 i could get one... i bought it immediately! she's sooo cool and gonna be a good partner for my usa-1. bet some of you haven't got a chance to see the real thing yet, eh? ;)

[saiyanmanicomio]

Do you ride it? how well shift the tranny? I gonna get one when it arrive at TowerHobbies.

[zzest]

I'm only gonna run-in the engine this weekend... Haven't driven this beauty yet, but the 3-speed adjustment looks tricky from the manual... I'll let u know as soon as I get to try it out.

The kit's quite easy to build though, as most parts, i.e. diffs and clutch, etc are all factory built.

And, I must say again, she cool!!!

[saiyanmanicomio]

You finished the truck? How the suspension do well or bad.

[jeroen]

I have adjusted the three speed often and it is not as difficult as it looks but you must unsrew the stopper and then you can adjust the shifting time for the thrid one and for the other you must unsrew the sprocket and slide the sprocket aside so you can adjust the second gear.
It's easy almost as easy as it goes on my landmax.
but they say the the three speed shifts smooth and quick but i can't notice any difference compared to my landmax two speed.
And they also say that they have adjusted the 3-speed at the factory but that was not the case with my mad force the gears where not shifting at a good moment or they did not shift at al especialy the thrid gear was way to late with shifting for a monster truck.
But when you adjust the 3-speed almost perfect then it is fun to hear and drive with it, i find it a good tranny, and it is damm fast with the stock engine also.

The suspension self is good they are from high quality and work great, it only find it a pitty that they did not instal four more in the kit it self it expensive enough i think, many other trucks have god it right out of the kit also kyosho did it with the USA-1 why not with this.
I think they do it just to make more money.

And i can say i can built easly a car but this truck isn't that easy to built in a few hours.
It took me al day.
I think that it coms because it is was al new to me the built a truck and the chassis is very different then i was used to built such as my landmax.

Also i polished up some things on the chassis, when i was building it

Pictures are coming soon as i will have my digitale camera.

[Nitromethane]

That's strange, out of all the RC's I have ever owned, I found the Mad Force to be the easiest build to date.
Very simple layout, very simple build.

[jeroen]

Hi skribble you mentioned a few days ago some optional parts my question was were did you find those parts and especialy i ask you this is that towerhobbies does not yet have pics of there parts for the mad force and you find some parts with pics.

[jeroen]

Yeh you're right that is not difficult to built, but it took me long tho
and i did every thing that day i put foam in the tires and painted the body as well
And it was new to me to built a truck,and i take my time for it to built it i finished it of nicely.

[Skribble]

I found the parts on the Japanese Kyosho website. http://www.kyosho.co.jp/models/car-gp/madforce/mad_force-j.html. Scroll down and it says "Option Parts."

[jeroen]

thanks man for the link

[Skribble]

No Problem.

[saiyanmanicomio]

Hi, I know that this forum is for the Mad Force, but I have a USA1 Nitro Crusher and I want to get some options part. Skribble, can you find me some option parts for the USA1 Nitro Crusher.

[Skribble]

Only one I can find.
http://www.neweramodels.com/prod16.htm

[Skribble]

jeroen, here's some more Option parts, but no pictures. http://www.kyosho.com/cars/kyoc0521parts.html

[MadForce]

Thought you may want to see this....

<a href="http://www.kyosho.co.jp/models/car-gp/madforce/MAD.mov"><img src="http://www.kyosho.co.jp/models/car-gp/madforce/logo.gif" border =0></a>

Click the image above to load the movie

So has anyone who owns the truck manage to break anything yet?

[Nitromethane]

Seen that one. It's a good one.

I've popped out my rear and front center bones quite a few times. But there is currently something in testing that will take care of that.:cool:

[saiyanmanicomio]

Thank you Skribble but I am looking for a hard chassis and hard shock stay. Anyway if you find something let me know.

[Archerboi]

I like this truck, but when will the electric version come out to replace the USA-1 electric? :confused:

[Possumbot]

i doubt there will b an electric mad force in the sense that its just dropping in a motor and a battery. It might share some kind of naming system, but it would probably get redesigned at least for the transmission.

[adobo_man]

so who actually has one of these crazy things? i'm thinking of getting one. any problems so far? how well does it handle and jump? does it come rtr or is it a kit?

[moep]

From what i heard, it comes as a kit with some preassembled parts...

[Possumbot]

its a kit with the 3speed, and axles already built.

[Archerboi]

Originally posted by Possumbot
i doubt there will b an electric mad force in the sense that its just dropping in a motor and a battery. It might share some kind of naming system, but it would probably get redesigned at least for the transmission.

I was thinking that the Electro version will have a different drive train, but with the same suspension set up. Also they should be replacing the Electro USA-1 soon. We can hope :rolleyes:

[RC action1]

Hey guys i found a nice board with a mad force forum come and sign up and post there!

www.monstermadness.com

[Possumbot]

put in a e-maxx like tranny where the 3 speed is, and change the chassis plates 2 a full plate front 2 back. Ditch the radio box, and bolt the battery(ies) in front of the tranny behind the receiver/esc/servo.

[MegaDeTH]

Ugh, that would wreck it, chassy plate? go get a buggy!

[NitroRookie]

I'd buy a Mad Force for the sheer delight of owning a 3-speed Solid Axle Nitro Monster Truck.

[jeroen]

I can not find the mad force forum.
Can you help me to find it, or give me a direct link to the forum.

[Archerboi]

Can someone please give me a link to the video? I cannot seem to find in the RCCA site. And the other link of the picture of the MF logo don't seem to work. Thanks

[SuperMaxx 21]

Does anyone have video of this truck because I want to see what it can do.

[jeroen]

The link of the madforce logo on the previous page does work fine be me so it's must have to do something with your system.

That video is a good example of what the madforce can do, the only thing you do not see is how it's handle's by a big jump
But i can tell you that it is good in taking big jumps and landings.

There aren't any more video's on the net so far i know, i think this coms becaus it is a new model and there aren't so many people who own it at this moment.

I'm working on a video of my mad force so stay tuned.

[Skribble]

Here's the Kyosho movie. http://www.kyosho.co.jp/models/car-gp/madforce/mad_force-j.html. Scroll down to the bottom, and it's the Mad Force logo. Wait for it to load up. Once scene they have the truck practically half-way submerged in muddy water. :)

[MadForce]

What servos are you guys using for your Mad Force.

Will something with 75oz be good enough for the steering? Or should I buy a new one for the front? I believe this should be plenty for the throttle and brake, but I am unsure of the steering servo specs.

[Nitromethane]

You know, definitly go with what you can afford, but the more torque the better with these big tires. Not only the size of the tires, but unless you upgrade your steering, the stock steering is pretty sloppy.
I'm running the HiTec 945 Digital, and it works pretty good.

[MadForce]

Nitromethane, are you running that on both the front and the rear? What do you mean by upgrading the steering? What did you do to accomplish this?

Thanks

[Possumbot]

the mad force only has front wheel steering mad force.

[sean68]

i should get mine in a couple days, but the wheels got to go!!! are there any other wheels that will fit? like the chrome usa-1 wheels? thanks!

[Nitromethane]

I'm running the HiTec digital for steering and a HiTec 605 for throttle.
For upgrading the steering, you can actually bore out the stock arms and put in bearings. Or if your lucky enough, find someone who will make Aluminum arms for you, or until the Kyosho Aluminum arms are available in the US.

Not sure on the wheels. 19mm wheels for the Monster Blazer won't work because the center hole is larger for the threaded wheel hex to fit through, as compared to the bolt on the MF that screws into the axle. Right now I can't think of any others than the USA-1 wheels, but aren't they the same thing?
What don't you like about the wheels? They are pretty strong.

For tires, I just switched to the Giant Tracs.

[RC action1]

I will be getting my Mad Force soon! Nitromethane have you gotten any new pictures of the truck?

[Nitromethane]

I don't have any new ones. But here's a few from a little while back. Since these, I have put on a RB 063 tuned pipe and Giant Trac tires:
http://nitromethane.bizhosting.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/00_00021.jpg
http://nitromethane.bizhosting.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/00_00025.jpg
http://nitromethane.bizhosting.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/12.jpg
http://nitromethane.bizhosting.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/madforceaction.jpg

[MadForce]

Nitromethane, how hot do you run your motor? From the looks of those pics, it looks like the truck has taken quite a bit of abuse. Has anything broke on you. What are the weakest parts of the truck if any? Some person mentioned the drop test and broke a suspension mount. I know its not a fair comparison to real jump, but have you broke it doing jumps with your truck?

Thanks again

[sean68]

Wooooohooo!!!! i finally got mine!! body is almost done drying. oh, and the wheels dont look so bad now!! lol!

[Nitromethane]

MadForce,
after putting on the RB 063 pipe and retuning, I found my peak performance right at about 220 - 230.
Yea, I have literally beat the crap out of my MF for over a gallon of fuel and unbeleivably have broken NOTHING!!
After one of my first runs, I noticed the wheelie bar was loose. So I switched out the kyocho 3mm nuts to 3mm nylon lock nuts, and used a little locktite on the rear aluminum bar, and it's has not come loose since.
I have popped out my front and rear center dogbones quite a few times but I have recently switched to universal shafts for the center driveline and have yet to pop one out.
The only weak point stock on this truck I feel, is the steering. But with a minor bearing upgrade, and possibly aluminum arms, along with a strong servo, it is working fine.
I NEVER have went a gallon on any of my RC's without having to fix or replce something. I am VERY happy with the MF, to say the least.

[MadForce]

Nitromethane,

Sorry to keep asking you questions, but where did you get the center universals?

[Skribble]

Does the Mad Force use Hex or Phillips for screws?

[sean68]

http://www.ezshots.com/members/dawgman/images/dawgman-47.jpg my baby! after the first run!!

[Nitromethane]

MadForce, No problem on the questions at all.
Here are the universals for the center:
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?Q=1&I=LXV725 (Mad Force Center Universals)

Skribble, it uses both.

Sean, nice looking paint job! Are you running the tires with any foams in them?

[vzla]

Hey guys,

Where can I buy one of these in the US?

I have the money but can not find it!

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

COOL sean68 COOL:)

[MadForce]

sean68, nice.....

Nitromethane, that universal, will it fit both the front and rear?

Thanks

[MadForce]

vzla, I'm still waiting for Tower Hobbies to get them in stock, but www.greathobbies.com is selling them for 699 canadian

[vzla]

Thanks for your reply, but I am going to convince my LHS to order one for me. I spoke with him over the phone and said that he could probably get one.

[Possumbot]

could somebody tell me what these are?

[crypt]

that seems to be shocks stays, but i´m not sure

[Nitromethane]

Shock stays for running dual shocks.
Unnecessary I think.

[PITSTAIN_RC]

the single shocks seem fine to me, just put a little thicker oil in them than the stock stuff i find it a bit too bouncy

the universial should fit both the front and rear since the stock center bones are both the same length

also of note, i guess to keep costs down a bit.....the front differential ring and pinion are both cast alluminum while the rear has more proper steel ring and pinion gears......it seems okay so far bue to the fact the front wheels are always off the ground :)

oh so by the way i gave a shot at copying the box paintjob
http://www.networktechniques.com/pitstain/images/3trucks/DSC00276.JPG

pretty close

and to you ladderframe solid axle articulation guys......http://www.networktechniques.com/pitstain/images/3trucks/DSC00288.JPG

and here it is compared to my beloved EK4 and Monster Pirate
http://www.networktechniques.com/pitstain/images/3trucks/DSC00279.JPG

[jeroen]

That is looking verry nice, you gave it a shot man that is pretty much the same, you did a great job
I like the colors the way it is showed on the box.
But it was to difficult for me to do it that way so i thoose another
print
Pics are coming soon;)

[vzla]

Nice trucks,

Men, you have the three trucks I was looking at to buy, so now I have to be patient and find a MAd Force somewhere... How do you compare the Mad Force to the MP and EK4, which one is your favorite?

One quick question, are the MP wheels and tires a direct fit on the Mad Force? I ask because I have a brand new set of Ofna's MT3 wheels and tires for the MP Dominator and if they fit on the Mad Force, I will not sell them.

Thanks

[MadForce]

Can you paint mine too? Very nice job on the paint and body.

Did any of you who own the truck have to cut holes into the body, other than the one above the cooling head, for proper ventilation.

I am still eagerly waiting for mine to arrive.

[fezzy]

The MP/Dom uses 17mm Hexes and as far as i know Kyosho only ever used 19mm Hex's.

[PITSTAIN_RC]

Jeroen, im glad you like the paint it was done using only masking tape and spray cans. i have an airbrush but was too lazy to set it up.

Vzla, Thankyou i love my trucks, heck i dont let my cats on the leather couch i am sure they are jealous of the trucks :)

the madforce uses 19mm hubs, and the MP/dominator are 17mm, i think if you buy an extra set of plastic 19mm kyosho hexes (less than $15 i think) and shave 1mm off of each side, then the MT3 and monster wheels should fit fine.

as for comparing the trucks and my favorite features of each truck

the madforce is hands down the most realistic of the bunch with its ladder frame solid axle setup, but this makes it kinda unstable at speed.....but the wheelies and 3 speed tranny make up for that.

the Monster pirate (with the dominator wheels) is by far the best truck for racing, it handles like a dream and is nearly impossible to roll over, also it has a single speed which keeps it simple, and has a good comprimise of top speed and acceleration.

the EK4, well what can i say, it has SOOOOOOO much power it pulls wheelies like it has a pogo stick in the front of the truck and it handles really well with the autohaus shock setup, but the power comes with a price of your differentials and other drivetrain parts getting chewed up pretty quick from the power of the huge 70 engine.

Madforce, thanks for the compliment, but if i have to mask up another madforce body i think i would go crazy, it was about an hour and half of masking time :o

ill have some video in a week or two

[vzla]

Not so, Kyosho uses 17mm on the Inferno 7.5.

That is why I asked PITSTAIN_RC since he has trucks that use 17mm, he can very quickly check and see if they are a direct fit.

[PITSTAIN_RC]

yep youre right about the 7.5 they went to 17mm, but they still use 19mm for the trucks so you can use old usa-1 wheels if you own the mega or mad force, im happy they are 19mm because i have a few sets of wheels with 19mm hexes

[vzla]

Will the MT3 rubber fit on the 19mm wheels?

[PITSTAIN_RC]

no the mt3 wheels are t-maxx sized....but like i said if you shave 1mm off each side (all 6) of the 19mm wheel hexes they will then be 17mm and will fit the mt3 wheels or any other 17mm hex wheel

[vzla]

Sorry,

I meant the MT3 tires and not wheels. Sorry about that!

[vzla]

Sorry,

I meant the MT3 tires and not wheels. Sorry about that!

By the way, where did you get your Mad Force?

[PITSTAIN_RC]

It's cool but the MT3 tires only fit on MT3 or T-Max rims and nothing else

[Possumbot]

i thought they would fit the mb rims. Is there any reports of hardcore or bs starting 2 make hop-ups for the mad force? especially a new wheelie bar.

[NitroOwnsYou]

Heres a nice pic of MT3 wheels and Maxx Masher tires! :D God I love my truck!

http://www.cartogra.com/rs/293CDDA5-8F5C-11D6-B42B-0090277A760E/screen.jpg

http://www.cartogra.com/rs/293CDD28-8F5C-11D6-B42B-0090277A760E/screen.jpg

http://www.cartogra.com/rs/293CDE4F-8F5C-11D6-B42B-0090277A760E/screen.jpg

Pitstain go HERE (http://www.faxonwell.com/midmadn/forum/viewthread.php?tid=212) for my failsafe diff fix for the EK4. BTW with the 2 speed the power, and the ruggedness the EK4 is #1. I do like the look of the madforce, and will probally buy one!

[Nitromethane]

The MT3 wheels are pretty weak, like the old OFNA SST wheels.

Possumbot, What hop ups would the Mad Force need? Definitly not a wheelie bar!

[Possumbot]

a wheelie bar with wheels, the little disks don't look like the greatest things, just something from bs or something with rubber wheels for a little more durability.

[Nitromethane]

The stock wheelie bar is great!
If you are going for looks by putting on little wheels then it will lose it's durability.

Have you had a problem with the stock wheelie bar?

[BASHER]

how much will a mad force cost including every thing you need to run it

[jeroen]

I have drove my mad force pretty rough yesterday and there where a few things that caught my eye.

First thing,it was the first time i drove my mf with the body on it and it is now all bumped up at some places, like at the rear when the car falls on the body the wheeliebar damaged the rear of the body.
And the big hole where the engine comes out of the body has all kind of cracks in it know.

Then second thing that caught my eye was the three speed.
The sprocket 11t that fits on to the 3-speed shaft has come loose and that mayed the 3-speed came to front of the 3-speed shaft, and that had damaged up my second gear pretty much.

The car topples over a lot, for instants when you a cornering the car a some speed or when you take a jump.
Is there something that can be done to reduce this quick topple over, it is something that butters me a lot when you must often run to your car to flip it back on to the wheels before it stalls.
:eek:

[RamCharger]

uh drive slower..:D

[sean68]

thanks for the comments guys! as far as foams i need sum really bad, i am suprised they dont include em?? i need a good servo for this truck. what would u guys recomend for under $60? this truck ROCKS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[PITSTAIN_RC]

jeroen, it is a Monster Truck not a touring car, in turn It will turn over is driven too fast, what you can do to lessen this a bit is to run with the preload collars all the way up on the shock bodies and put a little thicker oil in the shocks, maybe 45 or 50 weight.

also if properly thread locked none of the transmission parts moved around on my truck, try putting some threadlock on your 11t chain cog

[vzla]

Hey guys, thanks for all the information, but where can I get one!!!

[vzla]

Why don't you look into 1/4 scale servos? I have seen some put into Monster Pirates and T-Maxxes with awesome results. As soon as I can get my Mad Force I will try to fit one into it.

[PITSTAIN_RC]

im running a ko propo pds-2144 servo it pumps out 180 ounces/inch and has no trouble steering the truck , also i put some ofna monster foam inserts in the tires before i glued them up and have to say they are great, but i have not tried running without foam so i have nothing to compare to.

[jeroen]

I have done it again, first i did it with my landmax and now i have done it with my so good as new mad force.

I drove it into a ditch, and i just stood there do nothing for the first second, then i jumped into the water and picked up my madforce but it had gone already onder water for a second.

I took it up shore and take al the water out of the engine and fired the baby up to get al the water out of the engine( it was told me by a guy that is you run your car into the water you can do two things to save your engine, one you start it up as fast as you can so you make sure that there is no more water in the engine any more, to prevent from rust in the engine and bearings, Or you can completly get the angine apart and dry every thing.)

There was no damage on the radio receiver and servo's lucky me for the second time.

I hope that this was the last time i drove my car into the water because i hate it verry much because i love my cars and do not like them to see in the water they are to expensive for that.

Did you guys have had this experience also and, what did you when it happend. :(
:eek: :eek: :eek:

[Noreaga]

Anyone have side by side pics of Madforce and T-Maxx for comparison?

[PITSTAIN_RC]

here ya go, and kudos to whoever guesses what brand of booze is sitting behine the trucks
http://www.networktechniques.com/pitstain/images/3trucks/DSC00300.JPG http://www.networktechniques.com/pitstain/images/3trucks/DSC00302.JPG

[RC action1]

Does anyone know where i can get one for around 400 other then towerhobbies? If anyone has one new in box i have PayPal... :D

[PITSTAIN_RC]

i got mine at a local shop here for $460 and tower has it for $450 and it si kyosho.....which means its not gonna get much cheaper than that. but good luck

[RC action1]

Hmmm...Yea japan has them for cheaper..Is anyone in japan that can pick one up for me?

[NitroRookie]

PITSTAIN_RC at looks like a bottle of Crown Royale in the Mad Force vs T-Maxx comparison pics. Am I right or wrong. Sweet pics buy the way. Hope to see an vid of your Mad Force in action.

[PITSTAIN_RC]

good man Nitrorookie you know your whiskey, thanks for the compliment, my dv cam is in for repairs (too many truck rides), but i will shoot some mpeg with my digicam and upload it next week or so.

[golf1688]

http://www.leetony.com/users/tonyl/rc/1.jpg

http://www.leetony.com/users/tonyl/rc/3.jpg

[vzla]

What engine is in your T-Maxx? Looks like the TTR .70 with the MSD head!

[PITSTAIN_RC]

it is the stock trx15 with an MSJ Mini-Fridge cooling head, it will pop wheelies now in short grass!! and runs much much cooler you can order one here Team Autohaus (http://www.autohausrc.com)

[NitroOwnsYou]

His MSJ fridge head is a little bit small to look like a TTR Pro .70

Heres What My MSJ fridge head looks like :D
http://www.cartogra.com/rs/3C4FCFD0-7A4F-11D6-B42B-0090277A760E/screen.jpg

[Skribble]

Kyosho picture of the 4 shock thingie. :)
http://nitromethane.bizhosting.com/cgi-bin/image/templates/fulloptmf.jpg

[Possumbot]

what are the differences between the giga force prototype and the mad force besides the number of shocks?

[roooo]

is it pull start engine ? i thought its w/o ? i mean the standard engine ?!

[Possumbot]

the mad force comes with the 21-gsr(i think thats the name) kinda tame engine Ive heard, but it is pullstart.

[PITSTAIN_RC]

yep the gs21r pull start, it is kinda tame compared to some of my other 21's but in the 9 pound madforce with the gearing it seems anything but tame.

[OmegaTrac]

Hey,
Ive read this whole thread and they truck seems really cool. I bought a P10M a month ago, a now Im starting to think I shoulda waited for the Mad Force. Ive got JR XR3, I would just need a JR receiver and two servos. Would a standard servo for throttle and i high torgue servo with 120 oz work?

[golf1688]

http://server3.sunpowerusa.com/rc/1.jpg
http://server3.sunpowerusa.com/rc/2.jpg
http://server3.sunpowerusa.com/rc/3.jpg
http://server3.sunpowerusa.com/rc/4.jpg
http://server3.sunpowerusa.com/rc/5.jpg
http://server3.sunpowerusa.com/rc/6.jpg

[jeroen]

So a few pics!

Did you bought two mf's?

Is there a big difference in driving with those 8 shocks on it instead of four?

It looks verry cool but if that's the only thing it is to expensive to do it.

[sean68]

i just have to know!! has anyone bent the front driveshaft yet? i managed to!! i really need to learn how to drive.... let me know about the damage u have managed to deal to your MF.

[jeroen]

The only thing that is damaged on my mf is the body, from al the jumps and rols that it makes.

When my mf jumps it often flips backwards, and then he lands on the body instead on the wheels
Do you guys have this also, i was thinking to put some weihgt into the front to get a better ballans in the car when taking a straight jump, so it will come back on it's wheels instead of the body.

[PITSTAIN_RC]

jeroen, you need to let off the gas once your truck leaves the ramp during a jump, if you keep holding the gas your truck will point its front up in the air, likewise if you slam the brakes in mid-air it will make the truck point nose down, you need to practie controlling the throttle in mid-air to get any rc truck to land the right way.

[StephenB]

jeroen, Pitstain is correct----you're landing on the body b/c you're keeping the truck FULL THROTTLE in the air. That's bad!

Just lift off the gas (don't hit the brakes though) and let it just soar once the truck has taken off...it'll fly nose straight, or you can correct it with a blip of throttle or brakes. But keeping any RC held full-bore in the air will always flip it, regardless of what it is.

[speedydave]

Even a touring car?!? :D :p

[StephenB]

speedydave, only because it's you....I wouldn't be a bit surprised if you jumped your touring cars!

[Possumbot]

if your jumping a tc mid air altitude isn't your biggest problem.

[jeroen]

Big news rccaraction is coming soon with their tested madforce video's

I can't wait for them:D :D :D :)

[speedydave]

Stephen, actually, TC3's do fly pretty well... ;)

Oh yeah, and when you land wrong...they roll REALLY well!

Oh yeah..I just remembered my little RS4 Micro endeavors...those things are DURABLE! :D

[hardcoretmaxx]

what do you guys think a Mad Force,Dominator, or a xxx-nt

[sean68]

those are 3 totally different trucks! depends on what u plan on doing with it!

[Possumbot]

sean is right, those trucks aren't in the same category, the xxx-nt is a stadium truck, meant for racing, the mf is a mt meant for speed and crawling i guess, and the dominator is just a slightly hopped up mp.

[roooo]

i ll get my mad force this week , iam planing to install os .90 heli engine , what do you think guys ?

[Skribble]

There goes the outdrives & driveshafts. :) Preferably, I would just stick in a high-end .21. It already goes fast enough, you're not trying to turn it into a touring car are you? :confused: :p Lol.

[MadForce]

Putting in a .90 will most likely shed your drivetrain to bits.

But which .21 would be a good fit. Most high end .21 are bump starts only, and the MF does not look like it has room for a starterbox or such a device.

[Unobjectionable]

the new MF video is up, pretty sweet

[Ethan2k]

Can you please post the new video link?

Thanks

[jeroen]

Up where, unobjectionable?

Give us that link please

[jeroen]

I have found the link on the landmax form unobjectionable.
Why didn't you put the link here also?

http://videos.radiocontrolzone.com/kyosho_mad_force_wch.zip

[Unobjectionable]

sorry, didn't think i had to post it, kinda hard to miss..eheh

http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/cars/index.asp

[jeroen]

It was hard to miss for me because i had a link to al the rc videos of radiocontrolzone, and it is still not mentioned there.
It stil says all new mad force coming soon.
So i thought you mentioned another mad force video.

Look for your self

http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/cars/video.asp

[Unobjectionable]

ahh indeed...they need to get on the ball and update that page

are you enjoying your truck? is there any way i could get you to take a picture of the clutchbell with the teeth off? ehehe

[jeroen]

The truck is great, it is crazy fast and will go over any terrain you want it to go and it fly's,which is a thing i do not do with my landmax.
It flips over quit offfen, that is something my landmax doesn't do
But it is a monster truck and not a touring car or something.
And everybody is talking that the madforce pulls wheely's easily but mine doesn't do that from standing still postion.
I've been trying to get the engine tuning for that but it is to heavy in front i think, because it has power enough in low rpm to do it
The only wheelies i get are in the terrain when the track is bumpy enough


Yes i'll do that for you in the weekend i'll sen't you a pic of that clutch bell and lose teeth If i'm not wrong the last teeth only a srew on that holds the other two on the shaft.
Says the manual.

I was already thinking of taken the engine and threegearbox of the madforce and trying to get it in my landmax this weekend

[Unobjectionable]

cool, thank you...

that is how it looks in the diagram, but i can't figure out how they keep the back two teeth from spinning on the clutch bell when 2nd or 3rd gear is engaged...if you just want to scan/photograph that page of the manual, that would be fine, and prevent you having to take the truck apart...

that video is very cool, it looks pretty unstable at high speed but as noted, this is to be expected from a monster truck...and i love at the end where it jumps back and forth on the back tires on takeoff...physics in action

[jeroen]

pics at

http://groups.msn.com/kyoshomadforce/shoebox.msnw

Somehow i can not post pics on to this form, i think it has something to do with the msn community where they must come from.

[Unobjectionable]

got it, i owe you one

[MadForce]

jeroen, i'm still waiting for my truck to come in. However, those pixs you posted got me curious. I know there is a onway bearing attatching the first gear to the transmission shaft, but I do not see on on the second gear mount. Can you, or any current owners confirm this?

Also, I noticed that the Mad Force also comes with another one way for the center of the drive train. Where is this used?
<img src="http://www.gatewayrc.com/gateway_chat/Bag_MF4.jpg">
** picure taken from www.gatewayrc.com

Thanks

[jeroen]

Yes this ir true the the first gear is always driven so that's the reason why it has a oneway bearing on it, the other two gears must shift at a moment and use a clutch to engage.
They are holding on to the shaft by a pin.

I hope this will answer your question , because it's kinda hard to explain it good touy must see it.

The second oneway bearing is sitting on the centershaft onder the chassis, and the brakesdiscs go over it.

[jeroen]

**** i can not post pics this way

I'll try it another way see if that works better

[jeroen]

picture of al the stuff i bought yesterday today

[jeroen]

Looking good that steering crank, I hope it drives also better because it was expensive here in holland for 43 euro's

[Unobjectionable]

that looks good, that same part will probably cost 75eur by the time it gets to the US...eheh

and do i spy a set of adjustable engine mounts in that pile? hmmmmm

p.s. how much are they getting for the kits over there?

[groovechampion9]

just wondering....

when u get a mad force.. wat do u get in the box...
sounds pretty dumb...
but is it painted already? do servos come wit them?
is there a radio???
wat else needs 2 b bought?

[Ronin1973]

What size wheelhexes does the MF use?
Are they 17mm?

[Unobjectionable]

19mm

unsure if it comes fully assembled or not, have to ask jeroen about that one, it's listed as having no electronics and a clear body

http://www.kyosho.com/cars/kyoc0521.html

[jeroen]

Yes that are engine mounts for my landmax
Maybe for the O.S fourstroke

The madforce kit is here in holland about 600 euro's that is also 600 dollar, here in holland all the stuff is more expensive than in Amerika.

The madforce is a kit luckily, you must built these things yourself that is just as cool as driving with them i think

The only things that are assembled are the axles and the engine with the clutch bell and the 3-speed unit

[jeroen]

This forum has got a lot of info about the madforce

http://pub13.ezboard.com/fmaxximumtraxxasfrm94?page=1

[groovechampion9]

im very new to this hobby...
and about 2 buy a mad force rea soon...
how long would it take 2 build 1, of my caliber? i got no experience at all...
wat tools wat i need aprt formthe obvious screw drivers?

[Unobjectionable]

probably some needlenose pliers, metric hex and nut drivers, an exacto knife and stuff to do the body...

it's a fairly complex truck, mechanically speaking...but kyosho instructions are generally very good...read the manual a few times first, and ask questions here when/if things get weird and you should be okay

p.s. for some reason, it is listed as "RTR" on kyosho.com, i dunno what the story is with that

[kart_racer3]

I am seriously considering selling the RC Truck that I have now and am thinking about purchasing a Mad Force. I have a couple of questions about it though. Is it sold as a kit or as RTR? If is is sold as a kit, is it possible to buy it as a RTR? It sounds like it has loads of power, does that mean it will make a good off road truck as far as dirt, hills, rocks, and such? Does it have much ground clearance?

[Unobjectionable]

Originally posted by jeroen

The madforce is a kit luckily, you must built these things yourself that is just as cool as driving with them i think

The only things that are assembled are the axles and the engine with the clutch bell and the 3-speed unit

i dunno if will be any different in the US, it is shown as RTR on kyosho.com but tower has it listed with the kits...i suspect they will come, as jeroen says, "semi-assembled"

[kart_racer3]

Do I need to purchase the electronics(receiver, servos, transmitter, controller) if it is a RTR or a kit? I already have most items required to assemble the kit, but what else would I need?

[Unobjectionable]

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p.pgm?Q=1&I=LXCGR3&P=0

an RTR would by definition include a radio etc, i think that must be a mistake on kyosho.com...the part number is the same on both sites, KYOC0521

[jeroen]

Luckily the madforce is not rtr, i like it too built my cars
It is a kit so you must need what every other kit also neeeds noting more and nothing less for this truck.
The ride hide so as you can see in the pics is verry high in the midle, but the solid alxe's are less high than in the midle of the car but high enough,believe me it can take any terrain you want it too take.It does everything the T-maxx's can do only faster higher better and stronger.

[birdy233]

I was thinking about picking one up, my LHS has them for $419, what do you guys think abou the truck that own them??

[birdy233]

I was thinking about picking one up, my LHS has them for $419, what do you guys think about the truck that own them??

[jeroen]

The truck is a must too have item i think.

It has got all the good stuff in there right out of the box you do not have too upgrzde anything because everything is good and strong already.

I love my madforce all ready.
She fast and strong you do not see that often in a lady, hah:D :D :D ;) ;) ;)

[kart_racer3]

I called down to several hobby shops in my area and asked about the Mad Force, and they said they wouldn't be for sale for a couple of weeks. How is it that most of the people that I have talked to already have one?

[zzest]

where are u located kart? i got mine a month ago... perhaps i'm in asia, closer to japan?

[kart_racer3]

I'm in the USA. I thought that they might have sold them in other contries earlier than others, but I wan't sure if they did that.

[Ethan2k]

Australia is recieving them in the next two weeks... well.. thats what my LHS told me.. they will sell for around $1100-$1200.

[birdy233]

I bought mine from my LHS in Joliet, IL They have had them in for several weeks at $419.00!!

[jeroen]

If you want you can order a madforce in the Netherlands For 550 dollar plus shipping

[zonerx]

Originally posted by Ethan2k
Australia is recieving them in the next two weeks... well.. thats what my LHS told me.. they will sell for around $1100-$1200.

Hi Ethan2k, if you really interested we can ship one to for about US$520-550 included shipping cost by Speedpost with tracking to Australia & US$550-570 to US. All ship from Singapore.:)

[birdy233]

Just got it and like my other Kyosho, the Mega Force, this is the best running truck of them all!! Just be sure to put a small piece of fuel line in the drive cups or those dogbones will pop out!

[jeroen]

Looking good I like the paint job, yellow fits the madforce good

I know a other forum on maxxtraxx that is much bigger than this madforce forum, come took a look over there if you haven't done it yet
I'm waiting too see yoyr pics posted there;)

Just follow the link and you come in the biggest world of madforce

http://pub13.ezboard.com/fmaxximumtraxxasfrm94?page=1

[nitrorulz]

Guys I just custom painted my Mad-Force body and listed it in the for sale forum, go check it out! It is ONLY the body! Thanks!

[samaj]

Jeroen .....where did you get that sexy K&N airfiter on your Madforce...? Is in any better than the regular foam ? Any address....... to buy from .........

[Figit090]

HEY EVERYBODY!!!! i think the mad force is really cool, but i'm really drawn back by all those plastick parts.......does anyone know how durable the parts are.......and the truck?

[jeroen]

I bought my K&N filter at my lhs in the netherlands, you can buy them at different shops, but i do not know any online shop in the U.S. that sells them.
I do now one online adres< the shop is setteld in the Netherlands but they have a english online shop also and maybe they can send it too you cheap because it is a small object.

Heé's the adres of the online shop:http://www.rccarinternational.com/shop/enter.html

You can find teh filter by clicking right onto the Special fuel car parts and when you are in too that section you must click onto the
Tuning parts too go faster, and there are the K%N filters mentioned with prices.


FIGIT090 the plastic parts are very durrable, but IF YOU WANNA KNOW HOW DURRABLE EXATLTY you must follow the link that I"ll post bellow this message this ia a form where you can find all the information you want about the madforce

http://pub13.ezboard.com/fmaxximumtraxxasfrm94?page=1

[kart_racer3]

I went down to my local hobby shop today and asked about buying a Mad Force. First, he told me that they weren't gonna be released until the 19th, and then he told me that he didnt reccomend buying them because of Kyosho's reputation. He said that they are famous for building vehicles with parts that are always breaking, and stripping gears, and, he said, that after a year they will probably discontinue the truck. Is any of this true? What experience have you had with Kyosho and the quality of there parts? Please help, I am very confused!

[birdy233]

Hello, your LHS is full of bull since the Mad Force has been out for several weeks at some (not all good hobby shops) I have a T-maxx a EK-4 a Kyosho Mega Force and now a Mad Force. The EK-4 is a piece of garbage the T-maxx handles well but the stock motor is garbage, my Mega Force was the first Nitro Powered truck that was reliable, I never even adjust the carb after the intial setting and it ran perfect, if it flipped over it would just sit there idling until I got there to flip it over. The only thing I ever broke was a front arm after hitting a drain pipe. The Mad Force is the same way, runs great, and the only problem I have encountered is the drive shafts popping out which can be resolved with a bit of fuel tubing in the drive cups or buy the universals, but I live this truck, it awesome!! And since some parts are compatable with the MP 7.5, you can get them from your LHS or Tower has almost every part you need!!!

[zzest]

Kyosho builds good cars and trucks! their USA-1 truck was in production for at least 8 years!! (... or more? the guys in RCCA may know better). And I still think the USA-1 is a great truck!

The MF is just getting better.

[Racerze]

In an unbiased opinion, is the mad force worth the extra $$$ or am i better off with a T-maxx for my first Nitro?

My LHS doesnt carry terra crusher parts.