Team Losi Rally Weapon [Archive]

sixandeightstringer

03-26-2002, 10:45 PM

The wheels are Losi's - I haven't gotten around to putting an RPM standard hex conversion on this car (recommended - it widens the stance as well as making it possible to use standard hex wheels.) The tires are Pro Line Rally Bosses.

I have HPI Rally Tires (M-compounds, I think) on the car now - you can see them in the picture below, along with the "dust cover" I was talking about.

I use a Novak Tempest III along with my FM Novak receiver, and my motor is an Orion Chrome Stock with Trinity brushes and Trinity red springs. For a stocker, my car is pretty quick.

sixandeightstringer

03-26-2002, 10:57 PM

Originally posted by XX44life
how do you do that strenghener for the bumper:confused:

This was taken directly from an old Street Weapon page by a guy named "Robello," I think. He hasn't updated the page in like 3-4 years, so I don't think he'll mind if I reprint it here, with some editorializing.

The bumper design is a bit weak, especially since the bumper holds up the front body posts. The screws thread down in front of the front shock tower, through the bulkhead and into the bumper. The bumper is supposed to maintain a grip on these screws, but since it is made of a flexible material (nylon?) the threads in it strip very easily, causing not only the bumper to droop but the body to no longer be on a solid mount and therefore sag and drag.

Parts: (2) 4-40 x 3/4" and (2) 4-40 locknuts, pic (A).

Step 1: Drill the hole in the bumper all the way through. Using a larger drill bit, drill the holes under the bumper to use as counter sink holes for the screw heads. pic(B). Step 2: Insert screws up from the bottom. With a 4-40 lock nut, see pic (A), thread it down on the screws and tighten. Note: A small amount of bulkhead material may have to be removed. This will allow the nut to fit down and rest on the bulkhead. Now, my bumper is very solid. To help protect the A-arms, I always run a foam bumper trimmed for each body.

See illustration, below.

sixandeightstringer

03-27-2002, 08:57 AM

I posted this on another thread, thought it would be helpful here:

Originally posted by Omorashi
6 and 8, where have you found to buy parts from, other then eBay, it seems quite limited. And if I remember correctly, aren't the Weapons (street/rally) and the XX-4 the same, or close? I can't find anything the tells you about part swapping and what fits all cars or single car.
Any help would earn you a cookie!
:D

Here's a start:

http://www.horizonhobby.com/

http://www.1hg.com/models/index.cfm?model_id=22

http://search.store.yahoo.com/cgi-b...om&query=weapon

http://www.hobbyetc.com/cgi-bin/cat...=Losi&car_id=65

http://www.btown.com/sheldons/listing/tml04.html

The Rally Weapon shares almost all of its parts with the Street Weapon. So pretty much any Street Weapon hop up will fit this car. The XX4 4WD buggy has some different drivetrain components (slipper clutch, etc) and a slightly longer chassis. And of course, it has longer arms, driveshafts, etc. So if you're looking for spare parts or hop ups I'd stick with the ones designed for the SW rather than the XX4.

The only real differences between the RW and the SW (other than the obvious tires and body) is the longer shocks and the rear hub carriers - the rear hubs are redesigned to allow more downward travel. Other than that, it's pretty much the same.

I personally wouldn't get the slotted/lowered chassis - it will allow too much gunk to get into the electronics from underneath - if you try hard enough you may find the original unslotted graphite chassis. I'm still running the original "Stiffezel" parts all around, because I think they're stronger than the graphite... and I don't think that the weight savings justify the strength compromise. Though I've seen plenty of guys run a full graphite RW with no problems.

Recommended hopups?
Ball bearing steering
Trinity aluminum front bulkhead (if you can find one)
Titanium tie-rods (Lunsfords)
Heavy-duty Ballcups (RPM)
Street Weapon Dust Cover

sixandeightstringer

04-02-2002, 04:07 PM

Originally posted by XX44life
how do you do that strenghener for the bumper:confused:

Did you try it?

Hypenotist

04-13-2002, 11:08 PM

If Losi hadn't discontinued these kits, I would buy one in a heartbeat.
How exactly does the three belt drive work on these things anyway? Got any closeup pics?

sixandeightstringer

04-14-2002, 11:41 AM

Originally posted by Hypenotist
If Losi hadn't discontinued these kits, I would buy one in a heartbeat.
How exactly does the three belt drive work on these things anyway? Got any closeup pics?

Again - I wouldn't let that stop me if I were you.

Here's a PDF file of the chassis "blowup" (http://www.teamlosi.com/pdfs/exploded/sw.pdf) - you can get a decent look at it here.

tarheelquality

04-20-2002, 10:32 AM

You can get Rally Weapons NIB on Ebay for $76.00 all day long. This one guy as a ton of them that is where I got mine.

ecatbox

04-26-2002, 12:14 PM

i picked one up also, mostly due to this darn sixandeightstringer fella...i also got a "A-0920 SW" street weapon tuning kit (like $24 shipped off ebay) which has ALL KINDA goodies...set of rims, SW rear carriers, swaybars and a-arms, some diff bearings and other stuff...opened the kit up and smelled it and admired the parts quality, hopefully get around to building it sooner or later...i also saw the machined fiber chassis go for like $33...it was tempting but i resisted...

sixandeightstringer

04-26-2002, 12:34 PM

:D

Darn sixandeightstringer fella. LOL

Build that puppy up, man - it's a fun car to drive! Especially when you're beating the HPI cars...

A word of advice - put an extra limiter inside the front shocks; the travel on them as instructed is a little too far, and puts the dogbones dangerously close to the ends of the outdrives.

MNrally

05-09-2002, 10:31 PM

This 200mm conversion that uses Standard wheel adapters may be of interest to anyone with a rally weapon.

You need the following parts:

3/16" shims
2 TC3 axles
MIP Street Weapon CVD kit
RPM wheel adapters
2 TC3 wheel adapters

The RPM wheels adapters for the rear will work just fine and you'll end up with more width. Enough to fit a 200mm body, although I have not formally measured it.

In the front the inside diameter of the RPM wheel adapter is to large to fit the 3/16" axle that come with the CVD's. Standard 3/16 inside diameter wheel adapters will fit, but the axle threads are too short to mount the wheels.

A solution that I used on my Rally Weapon was to fit stock TC3 axles to the street weapon MIP bones and then use standard TC3 wheel adapters. The TC3 axles have longer threads than the axles that come with the Street Weapon CVD's and are a direct swap. There is some play with the TC3 axle's so you'll need to use shims against the inside bearing to tighten things up. I used the shim kit from Losi, it had enough 3/16" shims in it to do the trick.

After this conversion, you end up with an approx. 200mm wide Street/Rally weapon that use standard wheels.

sixandeightstringer

06-28-2002, 01:11 PM

TTT - anyone else got a Rally Weapon? I just added the RPM kit to mine so I can use standard rims, but I am still using the stock dogbones (though I have the lightened HG ones in the rear.)

Possumbot

06-28-2002, 05:24 PM

do u have 2 use saddle packs for the rw?

sixandeightstringer

06-28-2002, 05:30 PM

Originally posted by Possumbot
do u have 2 use saddle packs for the rw?

Yes, "u" do.

Losiracer

06-29-2002, 01:51 AM

technicly the the term u guys are using, standered wheels. is incorrect. they are just the more poular ones. and all that you should need to do is buy a set of wheels that come with wheel hexes. since they are the same. and the rw isnt deced it still is a kit to buy. all you got to do is order it. teamlosi.com wil point you in the right direction for the part number.\
Peace.

Unobjectionable

06-29-2002, 09:23 AM

o i c

sixandeightstringer

06-29-2002, 10:45 AM

Originally posted by Losiracer
technicly the the term u guys are using, standered wheels. is incorrect.... all that you should need to do is buy a set of wheels that come with wheel hexes. since they are the same.
Peace.

:rolleyes:

Not true. It is the case with the XXXs, since Losi got smart and included both styles of hex nuts and made it possible to use them. However, on the Rally Weapon and the Street Weapon, the front axles have integrated wheel nuts. In order to use "standard" (and yes, I said standard because every other manufacturer EXCEPT Losi uses them - making them an industry standard) wheel nuts, you need to buy the kit from RPM which replaces that integrated axle/nut with one that can be used with standard wheel nuts.

There's only one advantage to using the downsized hexes, and the advantage is Losi's - it forces you to buy their wheels instead of someone else's. There's no performance enhancement to be had, it's simply proprietary design. It's the same reason that Macs, feature for feature, are so much more expensive than PC's... because the only place to get Macs is from Apple.

Don't get me wrong, it's about the only thing that Losi's done that I DON'T like - if I had such a problem with it, I wouldn't have 4 Losi cars and I wouldn't be so willing to recommend and tout them. :cool:

lammo

07-15-2002, 11:32 PM

Hey 6&8,

You don't know me, but I bought my rally weapon last year because of your advice. Couldn't be happier with the car. Just brought it out for the summer and I've been looking to hop it up and have a few questions for you since you seem to be THE expert on the Rally Weapon.

-Doesn't the SW dust cover over heat the car? What kind of motor heat sink do you have and where can I get it? I have the Losi offset wheels, but what size tires will fit on them, there's no size info on the packaging. Would you recommend a slipper clutch?

Thx for any info!

-Chris
ps. cool paint job on your car.

lammo

07-15-2002, 11:36 PM

oh yeah...here's a pic of my car. nothing special, just made my own dutch license plate and NL sticker since my wife is from the Netherlands.

sixandeightstringer

07-15-2002, 11:51 PM

Originally posted by lammo
Doesn't the SW dust cover over heat the car? What kind of motor heat sink do you have and where can I get it? I have the Losi offset wheels, but what size tires will fit on them, there's no size info on the packaging. Would you recommend a slipper clutch?

Glad you dig the car, and thanks for the compliments.

Obviously, anything that inhibits airflow can reduce the effect of air over the motor, thereby increasing the amount of heat that can collect there. However, dirt/mud/dust is harder on the motor and other components, and it's a tradeoff worth making, at least in a competitive arena. If you want to improve cooling, you can cut some openings in the dust cover (inner body) and glue some screening over the holes to allow air to pass... but you'll still keep most of the dirt out.

As for heat sinks, Trinity made a real nice one in blue aluminum that was actually integrated with the motor mount disc; it even had a dropped center area to allow for the servo arm travel!
http://www.hobbyetc.com/jpeg/xx4006.jpg

Standard Rally Tires are generally 26mm, I think - they should fit fine on those wheels. Try the HPI Rally M Compounds or the ProLine Rally Boss - they seem to be really good.

The slipper clutch is a pricey upgrade, and I don't think you need it unless you're doing really large jumps. The three belt system gives the car a little bit of leeway, and for most terrain, as long as you're not leaping into the air and hitting hard off throttle, you should be ok. I'm still using the stock belts and gears after almost a year, and I don't have a slipper. Besides, the car's one weakness is that it's not much of a jumper anyway.

blownsi

08-31-2002, 10:37 PM

Anyone know where I can buy a better servo mount? I'm looking for a aluminum (probably a trinity part) servo mount. I can't seem to find one anywhere. I keep having problems with the factory plastic one.
BTW I know I am late to the SW/RW party, but these are still great cars. I own a RW and a IWC SW both bought for cheap used and I couldn't be happier with them.

evader32

10-10-2002, 04:59 PM

Does any body want to trade a rally weapon for a rc10 GT w/.12 engine? E-mail for details if your interested!

talon51

10-16-2002, 07:58 PM

Hey, whats up Losi Fans...
I might be getting a Rally Weapon here in the next few days off ebay. A guy is selling his used RW, a Futaba speedo, and 2 motors for $50, not a bad deal, eh??
I'm gonna use this car as my electric basher because its cheap, and my E-rally is worth to much to mess up bashing because its my competition rally car. Lets face it, both cars have their strong points, the E-rally is better on rough terrain and jumping, and the RW is better on fast flat tracks, actually I bet the RW would kill the HPIs on tarmac.
Do you guys have any advise for me about the car, or anything else I should do to it besides whats mentioned above?

We'll see how the auction turns out...

Later,
Talon

talon51

10-21-2002, 01:00 PM

Never Mind, found something else...

dreamer_1uk

03-24-2003, 02:15 PM

Hi all,

I'm new to the Losi Street Weapon/Rally Weapon scene after just purchasing one from ebay. Any tips at all I need? and wheres the best place to get the spare parts?

Thanks,

Dale.

SteveK

03-26-2003, 04:22 PM

I got a tiny knick in one of my shock shafts: Where can I but just the RW shafts?

Baring that, does anybody know what length the next-shortest shock shafts from Losi are? I use a couple limiters in mine, on an RS4 Rally, so a short shaft might work.

dugrant153

03-26-2003, 11:53 PM

I'm actually thinking of getting a used Street Weapon.

If I put spacers on the shocks, would that make it rally-able? I'm looking at doing maybe just some dirt drifting, not huge buggy jumps and tables tops and what not.

Any particular upgrades recommended?

And is it true that the Street Weapon/Rally Weapon tends to break easily?

mj_bandit

07-03-2003, 02:25 AM

Hey.. I just got my Street Weapon/Rally Weapon.. I want to get new Chrome wheels for it.. what all am I gonna need to do this?:D

ayk_driver

07-29-2003, 12:35 PM

hey whats up guys and gals... that rally looks preety kewl to bad losi doesnt make them n e more :( but do u think u could make a XXX-S into the rally with rally tires? just curious

ayk_driver

07-30-2003, 11:02 PM

hullo??? n e one out there? lol

mdewitt71

08-17-2003, 05:56 AM

I just won a RW, RTR w/ 2 bodies, 2 sets of tires and many extras for $85.

Sixandeight, do you have the Losi part number to the ball bearing steering?

I found the dust cover and some other chassis parts on stormerhobbies.

Thanks,

sixandeightstringer

08-21-2003, 03:41 PM

Originally posted by ayk_driver
hey whats up guys and gals... that rally looks preety kewl to bad losi doesnt make them n e more :( but do u think u could make a XXX-S into the rally with rally tires? just curious

Yes - check out my conversion page (http://www.sixfoottiger.com/articles/xxxr/xxxr.cfm) - I did just that... though there's more to it than just tires. I also added shock travel, rally shocks, etc...

I call it the "XXX-R" and it's very fast.

sixandeightstringer

08-21-2003, 03:46 PM

Originally posted by mdewitt71
Sixandeight, do you have the Losi part number to the ball bearing steering?

Nice snag on the auction!

The bearing kit is part # A-6914; check out TeamLosi.com for exploded views and parts lists...

sixandeightstringer

08-21-2003, 03:49 PM

Originally posted by mj_bandit
Hey.. I just got my Street Weapon/Rally Weapon.. I want to get new Chrome wheels for it.. what all am I gonna need to do this?:D

Either find old stock Losi chrome rims (if they exist) with the Losi downsized hex, or (better idea) get the RPM Street Weapon "standard" hex conversion kit. Not only will this kit allow you to use the larger hexes that have become the industry standard, it will also widen your Rally Weapon's stance to 200mm, which is the "standard" rally width - making aftermarket bodies fit better as well.

mdewitt71

09-21-2003, 12:45 PM

Sixandeight,
I checked out the adapter kit on Tower.

Once you install it, the Losi wheels will no longer fit, right?
The metal axle studs that come with the kit, are they to change the front axle size?

After getting my Ebay snag, I noticed the kid that had it before me had a 33 tooth pinion on a 19T motor.
That isnt the stock pinion is it? The manual calls for a 26T pinion for a 19T motor so I put one on, just havent run it yet.

Thanks,

sixandeightstringer

09-21-2003, 10:50 PM

I don't remember what the "proper" gear ratio is... if you can find a street or rally weapon manual (or PDF online) they usually give you a good starting point.

As for the RPM kit, it completely replaces the front axles, and the rears are just replacement hexes. But it's definitely worthwhile... "Losi" Hexed wheels are becoming harder and harder to find... even the XXX-S came with both the Losi hexes and the "standard" hexes...

mdewitt71

09-22-2003, 01:59 AM

Yea I got the manual, I have it at 26 tooth like it recommends.

Here are some pics of my Rally.
Thought I got a pretty good deal. Came with a GM racing V3 reverse ESC and 19T Speed Gems motor.

Thanks for info,

mdewitt71

09-22-2003, 02:03 AM

Here is another pic.......

Red Cell

11-19-2003, 02:09 PM

Has anyone tried a brushless setup in the Rally Weapon?

microrcdude

11-28-2003, 10:59 PM

I should get one of these

losirallyweapon

04-14-2004, 11:18 PM

i have always wanred to buy a team losi rally weapon. does any hear want to sell one or have a friend who does. or tell me a website where i can buy one.... i will trade with who ever if they want. Traxxaxs T-maxx , associated t3, pro trax rustler from traxxas. all of these have motors. electri ones have esc and radios amd motors. i could throw a charger and batts for trade to.plz help me.

losirallyweapon

04-15-2004, 09:52 AM

hello. i wanted to ask any body if they had a rally weapon to sell. or do they know ant web sites i could go to buy one. or do you have any friends that want to sell one. plz help me i need help finding one. also if whever wants i can trade a traxxxas T-maxx, associated T3, or a traxxaxa pro trax rustler. all of these vehicles are running great. and include all parts esc , motors , radios.
Thank you to all who can help me.

fastzach

06-17-2004, 12:05 AM

Hey I have a rally weapon for sale if anybody is looking for one. This one has been run in the street twice and is in like new condition and has all green belts. I still have the manual, box, and a few extra parts. Looking to get about $80 shipped. Thanks!

TigeRyan

09-10-2004, 03:49 PM

Bringing this back to the top, anybody else besides myself still running the Rally Weapon??????

DrOlds

09-19-2004, 07:53 PM

I'm putting one together right now.They are talking about running a rally class at my local indoor offroad track this winter.I had planned for this car to be a dirt oval late model so it may do some double duty for a while.I haven't run it yet but with the standard setup the front seems awfully soft.What's a good baseline for offroad without too many big jumps?

microrcdude

09-19-2004, 07:55 PM

for what? shock oil?

DrOlds

09-19-2004, 08:00 PM

A complete setup would be nice but a oil/pistons would be helpful

microrcdude

09-19-2004, 10:12 PM

try the Stock pistons with HPI green rears and HPI red fronts. Try 40wt oil. Or 35

Bnoland

10-30-2004, 10:04 AM

I just picked up a rally weapon off ebay for under $100 ready to go. It should be here next week.

microrcdude

11-06-2004, 02:05 AM

Sweet! Looks great! Let us know how it goes!

Bnoland

12-08-2004, 12:32 PM

the rally weapon has been great however, I was out playing with it today and broke the outdrive for the rear. Aparently it doesn't like to land hard and tumble on the asphalt. It rolled 2 or 3 time and kept going but i was hearing a funny clunking and it kept spinning out.. looking close that drive had broke in half the the dogbone was smacking the suspension arms. Anyone know where I can get one from?

imlosimad

01-04-2005, 05:12 AM

hi guys,
anyone got any pics of the steering mechanism on the rally weapon or anyone no if its the same as the street weapons steering?
also does anyone know where i can get a sealed bearing set (A-6914) for steering on a street weapon?

(this is a picture of the street weapon steering)

imlosimad

01-04-2005, 06:14 AM

my stret weapon seems to make an extremeley high pitched noise when i run it (compared to my tamiya tt01) is this normal or is it something ive done wrong.

TigeRyan

01-04-2005, 08:26 AM

The Street Weapon and Rally Weapon have identical steering systems....

As for the whine, it could be two things...#1. You have your gear mesh set too tight
#2. You have a belt going bad

Those are the only times I have heard a weapon make those types of noises...

imlosimad

01-04-2005, 10:17 AM

thanks for that tigeryan,
i think my belts are brand new and i dont realy know how tight/loose the mesh is supposed to be, ive taken the best photo i can but you cant realy see it.

thanks
chris

microrcdude

01-04-2005, 06:59 PM

From how the pics look the gear mesh is fine.

Cain

01-05-2005, 09:00 AM

I read somewhere that for best steering action, run the long link from the servo to the steering so it is at an angle. basically flip the horn on the steering assembly side. I believe it was on losi site.

TigeRyan

01-05-2005, 07:28 PM

By eyeing the picture it looks a little loose to me, you should have about a 1mm rock in the spur....

DrOlds

01-05-2005, 07:40 PM

Here's a link to the page on the Losi site about how to properly set the gear mesh-it's at the bottom of the page

http://www.teamlosi.com/techtips/sw.htm#Spring

imlosimad

01-06-2005, 11:39 AM

thanks to everyone who helped

imlosimad

01-06-2005, 11:41 AM

is it possible to turn a street weapon into a rally weapon?

what do i need to do it?

microrcdude

01-06-2005, 07:54 PM

About the only thing you need to do is get rally weapon shocks. But, if you want it to be 200MM, you got to put rally weapon CVD's, arms, and turnbuckles on it.

DrOlds

01-06-2005, 10:54 PM

The ONLY difference between a Street Weapon and a Rally Weapon is the shocks,rear hubs,tires,and body.The arms,driveshafts(CVD's),and turnbuckles are all the same.The shocks can be hard to find but there are some HPI and Associated shocks that will work just as well.The Rally Weapon rear hubs are just like XX(non-CR) 2.5 degree rear hubs except that the hinge pin is lower on the hub to get the axles up above the arms to allow clearance for downtravel.Losi H-arm hubs(from the JRX-Pro,Pro SE,LXT,GTX,and NXT) will work but are zero toe-in.XX4 worlds edition rear arm mounts will give you 3 degrees of inboard rear toe.HPI RS4 and Traxxas 4-tec rear hubs will work also if used with HPI bearing adapters.The RPM kit is by far the easiest way to adapt the car to take the standard size hex drives that all sedans use now.XXXS CVD's will fit in the front with XXXS hex drives but the stock universal axles are much more reliable.Basically just put a little longer shocks on it and change the rear hubs and you've got yourself a Rally Weapon.

imlosimad

01-26-2005, 02:52 AM

anyone now where i can get the hex adapters from?

also, what happens if you race on carpet with rubber tyres?

:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:

rallymayhem

02-17-2005, 07:40 PM

...The shocks can be hard to find but there are some HPI and Associated shocks that will work just as well...
do you know what socks from those companies will fit? or other losi shocks will fit. there are no more rally weapon shoks out there

mdewitt71

08-07-2005, 05:23 PM

Anybody know where to get the RW specific parts?

I am looking to get the rear hub carriers and some extra arms (both front and rear).
Are the arms for the rally weapon the same as in the Street weapon parts lisitng?

microrcdude

08-07-2005, 09:02 PM

try www.horizonhobby.com

STOPandGO

12-15-2005, 01:09 PM

I got a Rally weapon Built, never run, still in the box. If you're interested please PM me.

Bnoland

04-17-2007, 08:15 PM

mytimac

04-24-2007, 12:36 PM

oops rally nevermind i was thinking street weapon

STOPandGO

01-01-2008, 10:26 PM

Bringing this back from the way back when. I acually post on here in late 2004 about picking up a rally weapon. I since sold it and have just bought a rolling chassis. Does anyone know where I can get parts for these anymore or have any they would like to sell? Thanks

I still have my assembled, unpainted, never-run, RW in the box. If anyone is interested, PM me. I'll never get around to running it.