Explain Big Bore shocks! [Archive]

CJ-5

03-29-2002, 10:47 PM

Whoa now thrasher. I own a set of big bore shocks and I own the ultra shocks that come stock. I think the big bores are great. I havent had one problem with them yet. I did notice that you need to tweak them a bit but you need to tweak everything. Some people didn't notice this problem before because nobody had a 12 pound monster truck that had 8 shocks before. I think the guys at traxxas build good products and I would be happy to buy their products anyday. No I don't work there and I am not trying to increase sales I am just saying that they do make good stuff. I have seen the associated shocks and I like what they do too, frankley I am not a good enough driver to notice the affects of aluminum shocks all the time anyway. I drive hard and when I jump and the side of the truck isn't leaning thats when I notice em.

On the other side I just think they are a little expensive. Last time i checked the traxxas shocks were 20 bucks more than the associated.

Oh and to fix the problem of the truck bottoming out all the time use losi 50wt oil, Traxxas Black springs and the 4mm spacer.

aphex4000

03-30-2002, 06:13 AM

Originally posted by WheelNut
The shocks being smoother isnt really that true, but they will be smoother longer. Also their much more durable no more blwing shock caps, etc...

Isn't it possible to fix the blown cap problem with a couple sets of $3.00 aluminum shock caps? I've replaced mine with these and havnen't had any problems yet.

I understand that this does not address the issue of overall durability, but for those of you replacing shocks because of blown caps, this is a very lost cost alternative.

MaxxThrasher

04-01-2002, 11:14 AM

Oh and to fix the problem of the truck bottoming out all the time use losi 50wt oil, Traxxas Black springs and the 4mm spacer.

Fix the problem?
I think after spending $100 on any product,there shouldn't be any problems. Just why is it that everyone you talk to about these shocks say the same thing. Put stiffer springs(made by another MFG.) on them and heavier weight oil(made by another MFG.) in them. If everyone has the same problem with these shocks,why doesn't Traxxas fix this problem? Why don't they just put harder springs and or heavier weight oil in them from the start?

BTW: I started a similar thread on the Traxxas BB and guess what? After just 3 replies,the thread just disappeared!:eek:
Go figure! Traxxas doesn't want anyone discussing their crappy shocks.

"JMO"

MaxxThrasher

04-01-2002, 11:16 AM

Originally posted by aphex4000

Isn't it possible to fix the blown cap problem with a couple sets of $3.00 aluminum shock caps? I've replaced mine with these and havnen't had any problems yet.

I understand that this does not address the issue of overall durability, but for those of you replacing shocks because of blown caps, this is a very lost cost alternative.

I don't know if this will fix the problem or not. Even after putting aluminum caps on the stock shocks you still have plastic shock bodies that the threads will end up stripping.

"JMO"

ProjectTwin

04-01-2002, 12:48 PM

I have big bores. Love them.

Jason

MaxRC

04-01-2002, 01:29 PM

Big Bore is a brand name. It grew from the fact when Traxxas first made aluminum shocks as upgrades, they came in two different varieties, and the better one had a larger bore. So Traxxas named them Big Bore shocks. The name stuck and is applied to later aluminum shocks with the same bore. The extra large bore on the plastic Maxx and Stampede shocks came after the name Big Bore was already in use. It's unfortunate that this has led to the belief that the Big Bore shocks will be even larger in bore.

I believe 30 weight oil is packaged with the Big Bore shocks. This is way too light, and even lighter than the stock Ultra Shocks. 60 weight seem to work well.

I am not sure why people are having problems with the springs that come with the Big Bore shocks on their T-Maxx because mine work fine. However, the E-Maxx is a heavier truck and owners had to use the stock red springs with their new Big Bore shocks. This is because the Big Bore shocks were made to be used with the T-Maxx. The E-Maxx came later and is heavier. But again you do not have to buy anything extra since the stock red springs from the Ultra Shocks works so well. 65 to 70 weight shock oil seem to work well with the E-Maxx.

In summary, the Ultra Shocks are really good. I personally would not have upgraded to Big Bore shocks if Traxxas didn't give them away for free with every E-Maxx purchased back in November of 2001. 99% of Ultra Shocks are not built properly from the factory and that has led to the shock caps poping off as people have complained. Personally I've never had any of my Traxxas plastic shocks fail.

This is not to say that the Big Bore shocks are not good shocks. They are. Other than being a bit difficult to build properly, they are very strong and smooth. They are at least as good as any other aluminum shock on the market, and you get that excellent mounting kit that is custom designed for the Maxx trucks. Some people swear by their Progressive shocks, but I am plenty happy with my Big Bores.

Lee Cao

Hairball

04-01-2002, 05:07 PM

Sounds like Traxxas needs to properly fix they're naming sceme and actually SELL what they are ADVERTISING to me.

If they are selling BIG BORE shocks, then damn well better be BIGGER than the stock ones. False advertising. Not a good thing.

Soya

04-02-2002, 04:21 PM

jeez, maxxthrasher, simmer down!!
I've got big bores on my Stampede and they're absolutely indestructible. Not to mention they've lasted for years. You seem to be the only person who doesn't like these shocks.

MaxxThrasher

04-02-2002, 04:36 PM

No,your missing the point. The shocks durability isn't at question.
My point is that Traxxas has choose to name their shocks "Big Bore". These shocks are in all measurements,smaller then the stock T-Maxx shocks. Nothing about them are "Big",especially the "bore". This is misleading and leaves the consumer to be misinformed. 2nd, after buying the shocks,one must then purchase heavier springs and heavier weight oil for the shocks to perform adequately. This is what makes them a poor product. 3rd, after my purchase of the T-Maxx and the many purchases of more products to fix the truck so that it doesn't fall apart when i drive it is what leads me to my opinion about Traxxas and their crappy products.
How long has the T-Maxx been out? How many units has Traxxas sold? How much does this kit cost? Finally,how many times has Traxxas bothered to "improve" the truck? Traxxas has been riding the money cow long enough and has proved they care nothing about the consumer. Again, i started a similar thread on the Traxxas BB and guess what? After just 3 replies,the thread just disappeared! Go figure!

My question......how long is the consumer going to let MFGs put out products that need improvement after the purchase?

"JMO"

Coconut

04-02-2002, 10:46 PM

Sounds to me like you just don't like Traxxas;so don't buy their product. Like associated shocks and many others the big bores comes with springs that are like stock. They also are shorter. They only carry 30 wt oil. Most companies don't give oil at all and certainly don't include titanium nitrated shock shafts that are 36.00 street price with shocks that you can buy for $64.95 on internet. They also usually don't come withy MIP o-rings either or pre-built for that price. Where have you been; these are a great buy for eight shocks that even have aluminum caps. the only misinformed consumer is the one that does not seek information. Don't buy a new Ford Thunderbird because you can't drink it.

aphex4000

04-03-2002, 12:47 AM

I agree with Coconut; loss of sales will send a stronger message to Traxxas than all the complaints combined.

One thing I didn't mention about my Stampede is that when I received it(in a sealed box from Tower Hobbies) there was shock oil all over the parts in the shock parts bag and the shock oil bottle was more than half empty. Additionally, the two halves of the gearbox did not match up properly. They arched away from each other leaving a gap at one end.

This left me with a VERY BAD first impression as this is my first Traxxas vehicle. But after getting the defects replaced by Traxxas and completing the truck I am very happy with it's performance. I just hope my shocks caps don't eventually pop off like everyone else's.

http://users2.ev1.net/~granvia/traxxas/gap1.jpg
http://users2.ev1.net/~granvia/traxxas/gap2.jpg

MaxxThrasher

04-03-2002, 07:56 AM

Like associated shocks and many others the big bores comes with springs that are like stock.

Like stock? WRONG! Actually,the "Big Bore" shock springs are 1/2" shorter and slightly smaller in diameter and the thickness of the wire itself is also smaller. Pretty weak for a shock that calls themselves "Big".

MaxxThrasher

04-03-2002, 08:05 AM

I agree with Coconut; loss of sales will send a stronger message to Traxxas than all the complaints combined
I never said that i was whinning and complaining and still buying Traxxas products. I stopped buying Traxxas products after my purchase of the T-Maxx. My friend is the one who bought the Big Bore shocks.

You guys are totally missing the boat. Your a prime example of exactly what i'm talking about. Your just like most of the consumers who have been getting ripped for so long that you now think its a great deal to get a set of 8 shocks for $99 and have to buy new springs and oil for them to make them work right. This has gone on long enough. Its time to start telling the MFGs to make better products!

Would you buy a $30,000 car and then have to turn around and put better shocks on it? Or tires, or a new engine in it after the 1st month you bought it? I doubt very seriously you would put up with that. Sure this is a hobby, but i'm telling you,when i spend $500 for a product,hobby or not, it better damn well work right!

"JMO"

nascar3

04-03-2002, 08:08 AM

Where to start, first off I have an E-maxx with big bores all around. 2 spacers on each shock, stock oil and springs. I have a full roll cage, aluminum skids front, rear and center and also aluminum chassis braces. Quite a bit heavier than stock configuration. Not a problem with the shocks at all. Rebounds nicely, ride height is perfect. My 4x4 pede also has big bores, again not a problem. So I don't know why your friend is having such a hard time.

MaxxThrasher

04-03-2002, 08:14 AM

Originally posted by nascar3
Where to start, first off I have an E-maxx with big bores all around. 2 spacers on each shock, stock oil and springs. I have a full roll cage, aluminum skids front, rear and center and also aluminum chassis braces. Quite a bit heavier than stock configuration. Not a problem with the shocks at all. Rebounds nicely, ride height is perfect. My 4x4 pede also has big bores, again not a problem. So I don't know why your friend is having such a hard time.

Are you using the oil and springs that came with the shocks?
Its not just my friend, ask most anyone who has these shocks and they will tell you that they have put heavier oil and springs on them.

nascar3

04-03-2002, 08:52 AM

Stock oil and springs (red) and all I did was add 2 spacers to each shock which btw came with the shocks. And like I saidI have had no problems with it at all.

Soya

04-03-2002, 10:28 PM

maxxthrasher--
Who cares if the shocks aren't "Big Bore." They work fine and don't need improvement.
I used the stock oil and springs and they work fine. If you need different oil or springs, consider the old stuff a tuning option. Besides, $3.00 for a bottle of shock oil and $10.00 for springs isn't going to break anybody.
BTW, if you spent 500 bucks on your T-Maxx, you're either seriously exaggerating or you seriously overpaid.

:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

purplers42

04-03-2002, 11:35 PM

Big Bore refers to the shaft of the shock not the shock body. im pretty sure the shaft of the shock is lager in diamiter thus preventing them from bending like the stock ones when you crash.

-chris

Hairball

04-04-2002, 03:52 AM

Originally posted by Soya
maxxthrasher--
Who cares if the shocks aren't "Big Bore." They work fine and don't need improvement.

Well, if someone sells me a quote "Large Family Car with Tons of Cargo Space", and I pay for it, then go to pick it up and there is a Voltswagon beatle sitting there, I'd be pretty pissed off to.

Its called FALSE ADVERTISMENT. Look it up, maybe you'll understand then.

aphex4000

04-04-2002, 05:09 AM

It's all relative. What if they sold you a Beetle instead of a Pinto...and there were only three members in your family? Then it wouldn't seem so small anymore, right? I find your analogy to be a bit of a stretch. Your scenario is based on the assumption that the purchase was made without prior research, that's like buying the shocks only because "big" is in the name.

The real problem here seems to be the naming scheme, just as you mentioned before. "Big" is a relative term and does not tell consumers exactly what they're getting. Another company could come out with Colossal or Gi-normous shocks (just because they're bigger than the ones on Micro RS4s) and just add to the confusion. I don't think it was their intent to misrepresent their product, just a poorly thought out marketing plan, as MaxRC explained earlier.

People will just have to do more research before purchasing products instead of relying on advertising. Advertising is rarely based entirely on truth, what makes people think that this hobby is any exception? Just do your homework and be a smart shopper, there are plenty of people here willing to lend their expertise.

Hairball

04-04-2002, 05:56 AM

True, true.

:D

nascar3

04-04-2002, 07:14 AM

exactly, well put aphex 4000

MaxxThrasher

04-04-2002, 10:11 AM

Originally posted by purplers42
Big Bore refers to the shaft of the shock not the shock body. im pretty sure the shaft of the shock is lager in diamiter thus preventing them from bending like the stock ones when you crash.

-chris

Dude! Your way wrong!

Bore by definition is basicly a hole left from drilling, which would be refering to the I.D.(inside diameter) of the shock body itself. The diameter of the "Big Bore" shock shaft is basicly the same as the stock shock shaft. Actually the "BB" shaft is .002 thousands of an inch smaller. The "Bore" of the "BB" shocks are also smaller. Every measurement taken of the "BB" shocks are smaller then the stock shocks.
I don't know what vehicle your putting these shocks on but my friend has a basic stock T-Maxx and when he put the "Big Bore" shocks on it,the truck sagged. The shocks wouldn't even hold the weight of the truck up!

"JMO"

Soya

04-04-2002, 03:04 PM

Hair ball--
who cares if the shocks are .08 inches too small. that's not going to affect it's performance. Honestly, you people should learn to be more happy:mad:

MaxxThrasher

04-04-2002, 04:31 PM

BTW, if you spent 500 bucks on your T-Maxx, you're either seriously exaggerating or you seriously overpaid.

When i bought my T-Maxx i needed a few other things to keep it running as i didn't have them to start with.

T-Maxx RTR w/painted body $429.93
Kwik-Pit fuel bottle-$8.99
AC/DC auto charger-$29.95
1500MH 6Cel flat Sanyo-$24.95
Glow plug wrench-$7.95
20% Traxxas 1QT. Fuel-$12.95
Tx. sales tax .0825-$42.46
TOTAL-----------------------------$557.18

Soya

04-04-2002, 06:13 PM

You could've saved at least $80 by ordering from Tower.

MAXXimumSpeed

04-05-2002, 01:03 AM

Originally posted by MaxxThrasher

I don't know what vehicle your putting these shocks on but my friend has a basic stock T-Maxx and when he put the "Big Bore" shocks on it,the truck sagged. The shocks wouldn't even hold the weight of the truck up!

"JMO"

The shock absorber is not meant to hold up any weight. The shock dampens the action of the spring. The spring is what holds the weight up. Tell your friend that if he doesn't want his truck to sag then he should put some stiffer springs on.

MaxxThrasher

04-05-2002, 10:23 AM

Originally posted by MAXXimumSpeed

The shock absorber is not meant to hold up any weight. The shock dampens the action of the spring. The spring is what holds the weight up. Tell your friend that if he doesn't want his truck to sag then he should put some stiffer springs on.

Just my point:rolleyes:
Ya buy brand new shocks and if you want don't want your truck to sag(who would?) you have to buy new springs as well. Why?

WheelNut

04-05-2002, 03:11 PM

MaxxThrasher what your problem?!

Traxxas cant sell these shocks out of the box perfectly tuned for every vehilce out there. These shocks fit on more than just a T-maxx you know!

Who cares if there not bigger than the stock ones. There not nessacarily comparing them to the stock plastic shocks.

I ahve big bores and they are better than the stock ones. There no fasle advertising, its the brand name!

Buy some other shocks and you might find that there not perfectly tuned out of the box to your freinds driving style...

:rolleyes:

Stop whining!

Soya

04-05-2002, 05:45 PM

My opinion EXACTLY. Thanx Wheelnut;)

MAXXimumSpeed

04-05-2002, 07:05 PM

If the package said something like "Larger bore diameter than stock OEM T-maxx shocks"

THAT would be false advertising.

rc-dude

04-05-2002, 10:26 PM

Someone said that the 30+ mph is a hype......its not. It says at the bottom that 30 mph is with 7 cell packs.

Ya'll are saying that the outside of the shock is samller than the plastic one. Plastic has to be made thicker to withstand the exact force that aluminum can, so in the end aluminum can be made samller and still be strong.......

All you have to do is use your stock springs and that will make it higher, if thats whats bothering you.

Natec

04-06-2002, 03:30 AM

Traxxas shocks all SUCK! The tops come loose and leak and then blow off....or....I tighten the crap outta them and then they leak because the bladder seal at the top of the shock doesn't have any sort of groove in the cap to retain it so that it doesn't squeeze out when the cap is tightened. I'm using Associated shocks on my Stampede and they work great! Just have to play with pistons, oil, springs, shaft length and all until you have the travel, damping, etcetera that you need.

WheelNut

04-06-2002, 04:22 AM

Thats cuz those are the super cheap plastic shocks...:rolleyes:

Soya

04-07-2002, 07:50 PM

don't overfill the shocks and they won't pop:rolleyes:

Coconut

04-09-2002, 02:12 AM

Maxxthrasher-Wrong. My nephew runs one of the countries biggest spring manufacturers. He tested both stock and big bore spring as well as several others for me. The Big Bores and stock springs are the same spring rate but As I stated they are shorter. Did you ever consider that they were not deigned for the T Maxx specifically. Lok at the Associated springs they are too weak for most peoples use on the Maxx. Personally I do think you just like to complain and whine.

MaxxThrasher

04-09-2002, 12:47 PM

Originally posted by rc-dude
Someone said that the 30+ mph is a hype......its not. It says at the bottom that 30 mph is with 7 cell packs.

Ya'll are saying that the outside of the shock is samller than the plastic one. Plastic has to be made thicker to withstand the exact force that aluminum can, so in the end aluminum can be made samller and still be strong.......

All you have to do is use your stock springs and that will make it higher, if thats whats bothering you.

What i am saying is that ALL dimensions are smaller on the BB shocks then the stock plastic shocks.

What is bothering me is that these BB shocks are worse then the stock shocks and cost $100. My friend (and most anyone) has to modify the BB shocks so that they work right. This is ludicrous!

"JMO"

MaxxThrasher

04-09-2002, 12:48 PM

Originally posted by MAXXimumSpeed
If the package said something like "Larger bore diameter than stock OEM T-maxx shocks"

THAT would be false advertising.

True enough,but its still misleading!:mad:

"JMO"

MaxxThrasher

04-09-2002, 01:01 PM

Originally posted by Coconut
Maxxthrasher-Wrong. My nephew runs one of the countries biggest spring manufacturers. He tested both stock and big bore spring as well as several others for me. The Big Bores and stock springs are the same spring rate but As I stated they are shorter. Did you ever consider that they were not deigned for the T Maxx specifically. Lok at the Associated springs they are too weak for most peoples use on the Maxx. Personally I do think you just like to complain and whine.
The same spring rate within what tolerences? I can tell the difference in stiffness just by compressing each in my hand. This is a noticable difference. Plus the BB springs are a smaller diameter wire,1/2 inch shorter and have less coils per inch then the stock springs. How could they possibly be the same spring rate?
Did i ever concider that the BB shocks were not made for the T-Maxx? Um, no. Concidering that Traxxas sells the BB shocks as a hop-up item for the T-Maxx,concideration is irrellevant.
As far as me liking to whine and complain? If its worth the cause then your right.

"JMO"

Soya

04-09-2002, 03:32 PM

Whiner:mad:

MaxxThrasher

04-09-2002, 05:57 PM

LOL:p

AEAddict

04-09-2002, 06:09 PM

Hey Maxx... I hear ya man. It's a marketing scam. Look at what Traxxas vehicles are made for ... beginners & noobs.

When was the last time you saw a Traxxas vehicle beat a Losi or an Associated at a national event? Never... they were never intended to get that "depth" that other "racier" manufacturers put into their vehicles.

My friend bought a Traxxas Rustler for his first truck , but he outgrew its performance in like 2 weeks... and then proceeded to spend more money on a hot motor, bearings, esc, etc etc etc. I tried to convince him to get a T3.. like I had at the time... but he didn't listen to me. When he broke a diff gear.. he threw the truck in the closet because the tranny on that truck requires dissasembly of just about every component known to man. I'm not 100% against Traxxas or anything... but they're kinda like the "honda civic" of RC cars.... everyone and their uncle has one, and you have to spend double their value to make them "fast" .

Crazy Canuck

04-10-2002, 03:43 PM

An equivalent arguement would be along the lines of this:

I wnt out and bought a P94 8 turn for my TC3 so I could replace my P2K2. When I put why pinion gear on, and ran the car, I blew up the motor because it was overgeared? Why didnt Trinity include a pinion gear that was the right size?

That arguement is absolutely ridiculous. How could Trinity include a pinion of the right number of teeth, and the right pitch for every application of a P94? Its the same deal with Traxxas. How can they include the right combination of spring and oil for every application.

I do agree with you on the Big Bore bit, though. Maybe better bore, but not bigger.

MaxRC

04-10-2002, 03:56 PM

Simmer down people. ;)

I can't believe this thread is still around. But hey, as long as the discussion is healthy. I'm gonna comment on a few points and maybe summarize some of the pointes I've made earlier:

"Big Bore"
As mentioned before, the "Big Bore" name has been around long before the T-Maxx or E-Maxx was made. It is a recognizable trademark used by Traxxas to describe its top of the line aluminum shocks as an upgrade for the plastic shocks it includes with most of its kits. While this may be seen as misleading for those who have no prior experience with these shocks, it's far from false advertising.

Stock plastic shocks
These are perfectly fine shocks. I would not have upgraded to Big Bore shocks if Traxxas didn't give them away with new E-Maxx kits. However, these shocks are not built correctly from the factory, thus resulting in failures that people have seen with blown shock caps. This is an issue with assembly but I doubt a solution is on the way because it simply is too time consuming to properly build 8 shocks. It is recommended for all new Traxxas vehicles to have their shocks rebuilt with proper weight of oil before anything else.

Spring Rate
The springs that come with the Big Bore shocks are perfectly fine for the T-Maxx. I did not have to put in excessive amounts of spacers. Just one of the bigger ones on each shock was all it took. On the other hand, the E-Maxx truck is significantly heavier than the T-Maxx and that's one of the reasons why many E-Maxx owners have needed stronger springs. One solution is to use the stock red springs that came with the E-Maxx kit, which fits perfectly if you also use the spring perch from the stock plastic shocks. In no case do you ever have to buy anything extra in terms of springs.

Oil Weight
Oil weight is for tuning. Tuning is something that the owner is expected to do himself. Oil included in the kits are for general application and may not be what everyone wants or needs. I personally use 40 weight in the stock plastic Ultra Shocks and 60 weight in the Big Bore shocks. It's pointless to complain that the included shock oil did not match personal needs.

Traxxas Vehicles
Traxxas makes kits mostly for beginners and casual hobbyists. This is a business model, not a lack of ability. So what if they don't make race kits? Isn't it confusing enough with just Losi and Associated?

Lee Cao

MaxxThrasher

04-11-2002, 10:47 AM

As mentioned before, the "Big Bore" name has been around long before the T-Maxx or E-Maxx was made. It is a recognizable trademark used by Traxxas to describe its top of the line aluminum shocks as an upgrade for the plastic shocks it includes with most of its kits. While this may be seen as misleading for those who have no prior experience with these shocks, it's far from false advertising.
Far from false advertising? This is plain and simple, a marketing scam! Granted, i have not been around since the beginning of the RC shock, but you tell me how much bigger the BB shock bore is then any other shock from any MFG. on the market. At best they are the same size as other popular shocks. Yet Traxxas sells the BB shocks as a "hop-up" item for the T-Maxx. The name is simply misleading.
Stock plastic shocks These are perfectly fine shocks. I would not have upgraded to Big Bore shocks if Traxxas didn't give them away with new E-Maxx kits. However, these shocks are not built correctly from the factory, thus resulting in failures that people have seen with blown shock caps. This is an issue with assembly but I doubt a solution is on the way because it simply is too time consuming to properly build 8 shocks. It is recommended for all new Traxxas vehicles to have their shocks rebuilt with proper weight of oil before anything else.
My point exactly as you state, these shocks are not built properly from the factory. Poor quality from Traxxas, yet they won't address this issue. Instead they offer to sell you their BB shocks for a hundred dollars.
The springs that come with the Big Bore shocks are perfectly fine for the T-Maxx. I did not have to put in excessive amounts of spacers. Just one of the bigger ones on each shock was all it took. On the other hand, the E-Maxx truck is significantly heavier than the T-Maxx and that's one of the reasons why many E-Maxx owners have needed stronger springs. One solution is to use the stock red springs that came with the E-Maxx kit, which fits perfectly if you also use the spring perch from the stock plastic shocks. In no case do you ever have to buy anything extra in terms of springs.
Thats amazing! So either Traxxas T-Maxxes come from the factory in different weights or the BB shocks come from the factory with different spring rates because when they were put on my friends stock T-maxx, the truck sat one inch lower then it did with the stock shocks. It also bottomed out twice as easy then it did with the stock shocks. Just the same, another discrepency in the quality of Traxxas parts.
Oil weight is for tuning. Tuning is something that the owner is expected to do himself. Oil included in the kits are for general application and may not be what everyone wants or needs. I personally use 40 weight in the stock plastic Ultra Shocks and 60 weight in the Big Bore shocks. It's pointless to complain that the included shock oil did not match personal needs.
Does not match personal needs? You mean wanting my truck to actually clear the ground with out dragging its back end as i drive down the road? Or to make a turn without leaning so for over that one side drags the ground and the other side is up in the air?
Let alone if one want to actually try to jump the truck, the front end bottoms out on the smallest of ramps before the whole truck is even on the ramp. Just what personal needs do these shock meet? Sitting on a shelf? Heck, even then the truck looks like its squatting to take a dump.
Traxxas makes kits mostly for beginners and casual hobbyists. This is a business model, not a lack of ability. So what if they don't make race kits? Isn't it confusing enough with just Losi and Associated?
I don't race my Maxx, i just simply like to drive it around the yard. I can't even enjoy that without something breaking on it.
If these kits are simply for beginners then they should not cost $500. If this is where the hobby begins then it must be very expensive to become an expert.

Thanx for the replies.
"JMO"

Soya

04-11-2002, 02:59 PM

"Big Bore" is a brand name!!! Get that through you fat skull!!
:mad: :mad:
If you paid $100 you overpaid. Tower has 'em for $80, and they're even cheaper on eBay.
Why are you complaining about your friend's problems!?! Let him speak for himself! Or is that too risky?
Nobody said this kit was for "beginners." It's just that now it's easier to get into nitro rc than ever before.
You're EXTREMELY paranoid if you're worried about breaking something on your Maxx just driving aroung the yard. I've put my E-maxx through some serious beatings and I've hardly managed to scratch it.
In conclusion, I agree with Maxxrc completely. You should learn to enjoy life:mad:

Spidermaxx

04-19-2002, 12:07 PM

This thread was the Main reason I subscribed to this forum !!!

I just can't belive that some people are so thick headed.

Big Bore is a Brand Name..... Like Turtle Wax.... (you don't wax turtles with it).

Buyer beware..... Research a product before buying.

No other company even includes shock oil.

The springs are fine ..... But some people prefer stiffer, depending on the weight of there MAXX.

Come pre-bulit. Al Caps. TI rods. Free oil, and Springs. 100 times better than the stock plastic (which are okay anyway).

They are closer to $80 bucks anyway... I run them and I love them !!! Best shocks out there for the money. I think if you research the compentions shocks and what they come with for the money. You will then see what a great deal the big bores are.

MaxxThrasher

04-19-2002, 02:41 PM

Big Bore is a Brand Name..... Like Turtle Wax.... (you don't wax turtles with it).
:p ROFL!!
No, but at least they advertise that it leaves a bond as hard as a shell on your car. Explaining their meaning of the name. Traxxas doesn't.

... I run them and I love them !!! Best shocks out there for the money.
Did you come to this conclusion before or after you modified them???

I run all 8 RC Raven Dual Rate Springs on My Big Bore Shocks with 80 wt. oil...... I jump A lot and I hated when My Maxx would bottom out. I no longer have that problem :lol

Sure, once you put different springs on them and heavier weight oil, they're great! (now that they are totally different shocks!)

Dude, they might be a great deal, but thats not what i am complaining about. Maybe if you take the time to read all the posts and absorb the info, you might get where i'm coming from.

BTW, from all the post you've posted so far, (9) sounds like you work for Traxxas or something. (Diehard T-Maxx owner). Also, thanx for your opinion, but from what i've read of your other posts, its worthless!

"JMO"

Soya

04-19-2002, 03:40 PM

I think Spidermaxx is right. I think you need to SHUT UP and get on with your life:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

Mason Copeland

04-19-2002, 03:48 PM

Yeah! So you got scammed (IYO), live and learn, thats what I always say.

Spidermaxx

04-19-2002, 04:07 PM

1st, I read all of your post.
2nd, I don't work for Traxxas, But I would if they where hiring.
3rd, I do Love my T-maxx, Best Nitro Monster truck out there. I am not arguing this.
4th, and this is a Big one <<<< Have you Researched the other Shocks out there for the MAXX ???? I am betting that you haven't. Seriously, Check out what else is out there, and I think you will agree that the Big Bores are a better deal than the others. Belive it or not the RC world is a competive market place. If the product was not quailty and worth the money they would never have sold as many as they did.

IMO - There are no other Shocks made for the T-maxx that can compare to the Standard Features, Price and Quaility of the BB>

I have added A lot of Hop-ups to my Maxx over the last year or so. Some of the hop-ups have stayed others I replace with something better and Some times I even went back to the stock orginnal part. But as far as the Big Bores go I would not replace them with anything else that is out in the Market place today.

P.S. 80wt. shock oil $3.45 ; RC Raven Dual Rate Springs $18.99, I paid $69 for my Big Bores so that is still less than the $100 you where claiming....

Mason Copeland

04-19-2002, 04:13 PM

Spidermaxx, click here. (http://www.traxxas.com/about/trx_about_jobs.htm)

Spidermaxx

04-19-2002, 04:20 PM

Thanks for the lead... LOL ..... But, unfortunitly I don't live in Texas and I don't plan on Moving ....

thanks for think of me !!!!

- - - Spider

MaxxThrasher

04-19-2002, 06:00 PM

Originally posted by Soya
I think Spidermaxx is right. I think you need to SHUT UP and get on with your life:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:
This kind of attitude is exactly why the market is like it is today. Its people with this attitude that bend over and submit to the MFGs sticking it to you that cause the high prices for crappy service and crappy quality parts.

MaxxThrasher

04-19-2002, 06:31 PM

Have you Researched the other Shocks out there for the MAXX ????
Yes, we both researched the shocks availible as well as we could without actually having any personal experience with them. What exactly could we research? Well, pretty much the only thing to go on is what the MFGs and LHS info will give you and the opinions of thoughs who own each of these. Most eveyone said that the BB shocks were the ones to get. This is exactly why my friend purchased them. Yet, everything we heard was totally different from what we've experienced. Just the same, the shocks themselves aren't exactly in the cross hairs here. Its the MFG and sure, BB is just a name. I'll give you that, but unlike Turtle Wax (whos name implies that it leaves a shell hard cover), Traxxas Big Bore means nothing. Its simply a marketing scam!
I myself happen to believe Losi shocks are better!

Its not about getting a better deal,(i'm not a thrift shopper) its about getting a better product.

"JMO"

Mason Copeland

04-19-2002, 07:29 PM

Oh my gosh, just freaking get over it!!! Life is tough so get used to it! If you think you got ripped off, pish posh, only you can help yourself. So please, go "female dog" about your problems somewhere else.

MaxxThrasher

04-19-2002, 07:32 PM

If you don't care to listen , then why do you bother replying?

Mason Copeland

04-19-2002, 08:53 PM

To let all the anger out!:D :) :D :cool: ;)

millern

04-19-2002, 10:13 PM

I personally can't believe I'm reading this. First of all I'd like to say I've owned 15+ rc cars of various brands including Traxxas, HPI, Associated, Tamiya, Kyosho, and I think thats it. I've owned two T-maxxes, a Pede, and a sledge. On my maxxes I've had big bores, stock shocks, and Associated shocks. First of all, all of the shocks don't perform correctly with factory settings. Is that really a big deal? I thought part of the point of this hobby was to tune and tinker with different parts. Also, I agree that Traxxas trucks break a lot. That is why I no longer have a Traxxas truck. Do I have faith in big bores? Yes, I believe they are one of the smoothest best performing shocks on the market. I guess you have to realize that products, especially hopups are marketed as hopups for many vehicles. Besides, is it really that big of a deal. I see adds for big bores that say big bores for the stampede as well. If your friend really doesn't like them sell them and buy some new ones. Sorry for rambling.

Nick

MaxxThrasher

04-20-2002, 09:38 AM

First of all, all of the shocks don't perform correctly with factory settings. Is that really a big deal? I thought part of the point of this hobby was to tune and tinker with different parts.
Thats a given and not a problem, but you should be able to "tune" the shocks with the supplied clips to your personal specifications. Not have to purchase after market parts just to get them to work correctly.
Also, I agree that Traxxas trucks break a lot. That is why I no longer have a Traxxas truck.
This is probably the main point of my posts. In every industry and market that i have thrown money into in my whole life, RC has got to be the worst for having the crappiest products for the price.
THIS is what burns me. This has got to stop. I don't know anybody that would put up with this if they had bought after market shocks for their real car and then had to buy different oil and springs for them just to get them to work on their specific car. That is just rediculous and its just as rediculous scaled down to 1/10. Especially when i can buy real shocks for a real car for less money. I can't believe the multitude of people here that roll over and put up with this.

I reiterate, "Big Bore" just a name? Fine, but i ask you.......WHY?

I've answered that in my very 1st post.

"JMO"

TC3 Benjammin

04-20-2002, 11:48 AM

Not that anyone cares, but I side with MaxxThrasher on this one.

They call them Big Bore Shocks - they don't have a big bore. Period.

Ttraxxas sells them in an 8 pack specifically for the Maxx - they don't work on the Maxx. Period.

Yes, they are smooth, yes they are nice. That's not the point. It's called false advertising. They are not "as advertised".

I do not have these shocks. I bought the Associated shock set for my Maxx. I am equally upset with these shocks, as Associated claims they will enhance the performance of the suspension. They do not. You have to add so many preload clips that you can't even hardly see the shock bodies.

Yes, I made them work and I like them now. That is, however, not the point. I shouldn't HAVE to modify them. When I pay $60 for 1/10th scale shocks, they should FREAKING WORK RIGHT WITHOUT ME HAVING TO MODIFY THEM.

I'd really be pissed if I had paid $80 for the Big Bores.:eek:

BillB

04-21-2002, 12:41 PM

Dear MaxxThrasher,

I'm replying to this thread because I appear to be the only person that hasn't yet piled on. I'd hate to be left out.

I bought a pair of the BigBores for an experiment and so I've modified them. I have the extra longs which have a bore of .400 inches and a stroke of 1.42 inches.

I bought them because they were the only shocks hanging on the wall of my LHS that were inexpensive as they came in a 2 pack and not the typical 4 or 8. Also, they were aluminum ... which I needed.

There ... take that!

:rolleyes:

Soya

04-21-2002, 08:07 PM

MaxxThrasher, you need medication. It amazes me how long you can complain about something and still keep your dignity. Many people have said all shocks need tuning. Why don't you pick on your Associated shocks? They don't work perfect. Nothing does. And until you realize this, you'll never grow up.

MaxxThrasher

04-21-2002, 08:10 PM

:p ROFL :p What am i, Peter Pan?

I never said i have Associated shocks. Imo, they suck!

WheelNut

04-21-2002, 09:24 PM

Your an idiot! just buy new springs adn new shock oil!!!!! god a bum on the street can afford that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your sooooo thick headed, you make me mad!!!!! lol

Ttraxxas sells them in an 8 pack specifically for the Maxx - they don't work on the Maxx. Period.

Ummmmmm, they do work on a Tmaxx and Emaxx they work fine, just there to soft for your tastes.

Also AE shocks are great, you must not know how to build them.

I think any one who cant handle tuning there rc alittle at least or anything like that shouldnt be in this hobby!

Soya

04-21-2002, 10:29 PM

I'm with wheelnut on this one.

TC3 Benjammin

04-22-2002, 05:31 PM

Originally posted by WheelNut
Your an idiot! just buy new springs adn new shock oil!!!!! god a bum on the street can afford that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Your sooooo thick headed, you make me mad!!!!! lol

Ummmmmm, they do work on a Tmaxx and Emaxx they work fine, just there to soft for your tastes.

Also AE shocks are great, you must not know how to build them.

I think any one who cant handle tuning there rc alittle at least or anything like that shouldnt be in this hobby!

I'm glad that I make you mad. Really... I am.

With that said, I invite you to read my post. In my post it states that I think both AE and Traxxas Big Bores are great, awesome, supercalifragilisticexpialidosiuos, pimpin', sweet, totally tubular, radical, trick shocks.

Putting my fuzzy, sweet, totally tubular feelings aside, I have to say that Big Bore shocks are NOT as advertised. You SHOULDN'T have to:

just buy new springs adn new shock oil!!!!! god a bum on the street can afford that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

They are $80. If you pay $80 for shocks, they should work CORRECTLY. You SHOULDN'T have to modify them.

MaxxThrasher

04-22-2002, 06:32 PM

:p Thats definately got to qualify as quote of the week!!:p

THANK YOU!!!

Soya

04-22-2002, 08:25 PM

They do work correctly. Better than most. Everybody has different preferences on how they like their shocks.:rolleyes:

MaxxThrasher

04-22-2002, 08:36 PM

Face it dude! You've been getting bent over by the MFG. for so long now, when you sit down the chair disappears!

Soya

04-23-2002, 04:35 PM

I'm not getting bent over by the MFG. THEY ARE GREAT SHOCKS, YOU STUPID IDIOT:mad::mad::mad:

MaxxThrasher

04-23-2002, 04:43 PM

:p LOL, everyone is intitled to their very own personal opinion, but please, lets refrain from the childish name calling. :rolleyes:

Soya

04-23-2002, 05:13 PM

Childish? You're the one who's acting childish, complaining about something we've ALL heard a 100 times. Shut up already.

TC3 Benjammin

04-23-2002, 05:16 PM

They should just re-name them "Lil Bore Shocks".:D

rc-dude

04-23-2002, 10:56 PM

Whats the deal with trash talking a manufactuer for naming a product something that sounds good. Ford makes a mustang........does that car look like a horse to you?????? So, Traxxas name a product "Big Bore" did it say on the package that it has a big bore?

dieselstation

04-24-2002, 02:41 AM

ford also makes a Mustang Cobra.. i mean.. *** IS A HORSE SNAKE???? i'll never figure that out.

MaxxThrasher

04-25-2002, 07:19 PM

:p If Jeep Wrangler had a Python edition would that make it a trouser snake?:p

mudblast

04-28-2002, 06:03 PM

Sure would. I think you're onto something. Jeep Wrangler - Python Edition... Let your trouser snake loose :D soaking up the bumps with is new BIG BORE SHOCKS!!!

Soya

04-28-2002, 06:21 PM

uhh, yeah....

Soya

04-30-2002, 03:28 PM

FINALLY, this thread is dying off!!!

MaxxThrasher

04-30-2002, 03:57 PM

But you just can't seem to leave it alone! You had to bring it back didn't ya. :rolleyes:

:p

Soya

04-30-2002, 06:11 PM

FAH-Q

TC3 Benjammin

05-02-2002, 04:44 PM

I don't get these shocks...

...I mean, they say they're "Big Bore" shocks, but they have a smaller bore than the stock ones. :confused:

BuzzinHornets

05-02-2002, 05:06 PM

this has got to be one of the funniest threads I have read in a long time, I cant believe anybody would get so fired up about a product they do not even own. Man I wish the only thing I had to gripe about was the name of some product. Oh and I had these evil things (dont want to mention the bad name) on my maxx, with stock springs and supplied oil and loved them.

Soya

05-02-2002, 10:13 PM

TC3--Big Bore is a brand name, duh:rolleyes:

MaxxThrasher

05-03-2002, 08:34 AM

Therefore, one of the reasons for this arguement. The name "Big Bore" has no relationship what so ever to the product. Its sole purpose is for sales. A marketing scam!

DUH!! :rolleyes:

BuzzinHornets

05-03-2002, 10:17 AM

Hey MaxxThrasher, if this is such a thorn in your side why dont you do something about it? Stop bitching and contact Traxxas or file a complaint with the better Business Bureau. Before you do that, pick up the new rcca buyers guide and read the description of the big bore shocks, it clearly states that these shocks work for off/on road cars and many other brands, these shocks were not designed specificly as an upgrade to the maxx shocks, therefore your point about them being smaller is mute. If Traxxas had billed these as only an upgrade for the maxx trucks you may have some ground to stand on, but as of now you do not.

TC3 Benjammin

05-03-2002, 12:15 PM

I'd rather just sit here and ***** about it. Less effort!:p

Plus it gets a rise out of some of you peabrains.;)

wheeltrax

05-04-2002, 02:05 AM

this is why they say "this is not a toy" "adult supervision required"
Because some people cant get off there rear and go to there LHS and get shock oil and springs. Big bore is the NAME OF THE SHOCKS, not what they are. Like the person who mentioned turtle wax, its a car wax not a wax for turtles. And if things should come perfect when you buy them how bout the house you live in, when you bought it you had to spend more on furniture, and what not. It didnt come furnished with everything, you had to buy extra. Life throws in extras, deal with it.

rpritchard

05-04-2002, 04:07 AM

Hmmm...

TC3- Anyone remember the TC1 or TC2?

MIP CVD (Constant Velocity Drive)- Well, right now it is sitting still. I want my money back.

Trinity Slot Machine- I put in nickels and pull the arm, but never win any money

Team Losi Street Weapon- One time I brought one of these to a gang fight and I got my *** kicked

Novak Atom- Is it really that small?

Get over it- A product name is a product name. Why would anyone buy threaded shocks or need ride height spacers, if the shocks were supposed to be perfect no matter what out of the box? Why do cars come with turnbuckles? You mean I have to make adjustments? How come I can't race with the tires that come with my XXX-S? It says 'competition race sedan' right on the box, and the body isn't even ROAR legal, so I have to go buy a new one right away to race?

What amazes me, is that someone would argue for a month about shocks that his friend bought. It reminds me of this story about when I, oops... I mean my "friend" slept with this really ugly chick.

You guys are great entertainment though, really:eek:

MaxxThrasher

05-04-2002, 09:21 AM

Wheeltrax, rpritchard,

Oh, you are SO prime example of consumers that have been snowballed for so long, you’ve gone blind. Let me stoop to your level for one second in the hopes that I can put this into perspective for you so that you may understand. Lets put this on a 1:1 scale. You buy a Chevrolet Silverado and your not satisfied with the ride so you buy some Big Bore shocks packaged by Chevrolet as a performance item for the Silverado. When you put them on your truck you right away notice a difference (for the worse!). Now your truck bottoms out at every little bump in the road. Your reaction, oh that’s ok, all I have to do is run down to the Chevy dealer and buy some springs and shock oil. I don’t know of anybody who will put up with this on a 1:1 scale so I don’t see any reason why anyone should have to put up with it on a 1:10 scale. If this is how you get buy in life, I truly pity you. Not only that, but consumers like you are the ones that bring the quality of service and products down for the rest of us consumers. My seven year old has better intellectual skills than that.

BuzzinHornets,

Been there, done that. I’ve contacted Traxxas via Email, phone and message board. The outcome of the MB I’ve already stated in previous posts on this thread (go back and read). As far as Email, they have failed to return three of my Email efforts and as of my phone calls; finally after I got a hold of someone that could help me, their answer was “we’ll look into it”. As far as the BBB, I’m not interested in Traxxas as a whole. The only experience I have with their products is limited to the T-Maxx and related stock parts and the Big Bore shocks that my friend bought. All of which IMO suck! Go to the Traxxas T-Maxx site and look on the Hop-Ups page. They clearly state that the Big Bore shocks were packaged directly for the T-Maxx. Are they stronger shocks? Yes. Do they perform better then the stock shocks? No. You show me which of all the shocks Traxxas makes the “BB”s are bigger then.

TC3,

ROFL!!
:p

BuzzinHornets

05-04-2002, 10:24 AM

Ok, the shocks were packaged in a quantity or 8 to be used on the maxx, but long before that, and still to this day they were packaged in two packs. The 8 pack was done as a convinience to for the maxx owner. The following is directly from the 2002 RCCA buyers guide

"Big bore shocks are hard anodized and teflon coated for extra smooth, long lasting ON-AND OFF-ROAD CAR AND TRUCK performance. Completely assembled for hassle free installation. Large, high capacity cylinders (note that it does not say LARGER), offer more consistant operation, and clip on adjustres make spring preload adjustment a snap. SEVERAL LENGTHS FIT TRAXXAS VEHICLES AND OTHER BRANDS. SOLD IN PAIRS, the T-MAXX/E-MAXX set includes eight extra-long, oil filled shocks and eight 2.75-in, long,2.5-rate red sprigs."

So nowhere does it mention the size comparison of the big bore to the stock maxx shocks. Is it so hard for you to understand that there were plenty of cars and trucks on the market before the maxx trucks and that they did indeed have smaller shocks than the big bores. It would also be nearly imposible to design a product for universal apllications such as these big bores that will work for every application 100% out of the box. you need to understand the diff between PACKAGING a quantity of a product for one application and DESIGNING a product for an application.

MaxxThrasher

05-04-2002, 10:43 AM

Large, high capacity cylinders (note that it does not say LARGER), So nowhere does it mention the size comparison of the big bore to the stock maxx shocks
Exactly, this article states that they are "Large", but as you state, no where does it say; large compared to what? Therefore the statement is irrelevant and inconclusive.

you need to understand the diff between PACKAGING a quantity of a product for one application and DESIGNING a product for an application.
This is probably exactly where Traxxas made their mistake. They have packaged these Big Bore shocks directly for use on the T-Maxx, yet there were not designed for use on it. If Traxxas wanted to package these shocks for use on the T-Maxx(which they have) then imo, they should have included higher rate of springs and heavier oil. Plain and simple!

"JMO"

BuzzinHornets

05-04-2002, 12:34 PM

Ok, in your opinion they should have higher rate springs and heavier oil, great no problem there, but that is a far cry from your claim of false advertising.

rpritchard

05-04-2002, 01:50 PM

MaxxThrasher-

What cracks me up about you is that you cannot listen to someone's opinion without enlisting some kind of petty personal attack. If you feel that you must 'Stoop to my level' to explain something, you've already lost a listener to your little cause. And, if it makes you feel better to write in your post that your intellect (and your child's) is far superior to mine, so be it. I am secure enough in myself to not namecall with an adult.

You have stated I-don't-know-how-many-dozens-of-times your OPINION on how Traxxas is terrible for selling these shocks. We get it. Your words are forever immortalized on this thread. You can leave a legacy to your children. Do someting productive, and either don't buy their product, send a letter, or go picket outside their building. Maybe they will rename the shocks 'MaxxThrasher' shocks, just for you.

I am going t do my part, and never read this thread again... not even to see your little comeback remark about how I must be the reason that the country is falling apart, and why the terrorists were allowed to attack the WTC.

MaxxThrasher

05-04-2002, 02:30 PM

ROFL!! :p

:rolleyes:

Jwelch

05-05-2002, 04:53 PM

Oh God, this thread is rich! Maxx, I'm behind you 100%. Quite frankly, some of the people from this forum need some off-line lives...or medication (Soya, for God's sake, take some Ritalin and a nap!). Is it that hard to relate to MaxxThrasher's argument?! His friend dropped 100 bones for a set of shocks that are advertised to INCREASE the suspension performance of the TMAXX or EMAXX, but in fact result in the chassis smacking the ground and the truck flipping like mad. Rip-off? Yup. False advertising? Most certainly. Some of you extremist Traxxas buffs need to pull your heads out of your asses and realize that your beloved company has sold a turd of a product under the guise of a "hop-up". Good luck Maxx. I really hope this thread gets axed so the thounsands of other members on this board won't need to hear some of you more negative types piss and moan. Sheesh...

Soya

05-06-2002, 03:01 PM

Ritalin makes me crazy:)

TC3 Benjammin

05-06-2002, 03:16 PM

I don't get these shocks...

...I mean, they say they're "Big Bore" shocks, but they have a smaller bore than the stock ones.

:confused:

Soya

05-06-2002, 03:44 PM

you've said that already:rolleyes:

TC3 Benjammin

05-06-2002, 03:56 PM

Oh really?

Soya

05-06-2002, 04:53 PM

4th page, about halfway down. Duh:p

TC3 Benjammin

05-06-2002, 04:59 PM

Gotta love that cut and paste feature.

Soya

05-06-2002, 07:12 PM

Spidermaxx

05-07-2002, 11:45 AM

I think you guys are in love with this thread and you just will not let it die....

I think it is soooo Funny :lol

P.S. I love my Big Bores, and I don't care what you say.....

Jwelch

05-07-2002, 09:15 PM

I've got Big Bores!
You've got Big Bores!
But we've got the biggest, bores of them all!

Soya

05-07-2002, 10:53 PM

AC/DC sux:p

crusher649

05-08-2002, 01:05 PM

Wow, I've just read 113 posts on this thread. Unbelievable.

I can't believe that so many people are against "MaxxThrasher" on this.

I'm pretty sure that that main point of this thread was not specifically about the BB shocks at all, but rather consumers getting bent over and manufacturers milking the money cow for far too long without upgrading quality or service.

I totally agree with "MaxxThrasher" on this topic since Traxxas has done nothing to improve their good selling products over a timeframe of multiple years.

It's not like it would be difficult for them to conduct a market survey to see what the common mods to the T/E-maxx were and then incorporate some of the cheaper ones into their truck.

Tamiya for example, saw that Traxxas owned the market for RTR entry level monster trucks, so they researched what the customers liked about it and then made what they would consider to be a better product. I'm not saying the Terra crusher is better, but they did try...

Tamiya's truck has a longer wheelbase, larger tires, larger engine, sealed/protected electronics box, 1/4 scale steering servo, double disk brakes, spare parts bag....

At least it would appear that Tamiya is trying to make money buy pleasing the customer.

With the BB shocks, it may not be false advertising, but it definitely misleading which can easily cause disappointment by the time you get home with your new BB shocks.

Many of you have said that you should research a product before you buy it.. that's true, but how much research can a 16 year old kid do who goes to his LHS to inquire about BB shocks and asks what makes them better. The LHS owner may say " well, they have a bigger bore which gives you better fluid control" or something like that. Now who would you research it further, to many people, their LHS opinion carries a lot of weight, ands since the person behind the counter at the hobby can't be an expert in every department.......

I feel that as consumers, if we're not totally overjoyed with our new purchase, we should from time to time give feedback to the MFG so they could better their product by adjusting it to the consumers needs/requirements.

Wouldn't all you Traxxas lovers out there love Traxxas a bit more if they did sell a BB shock set of 8 pcs that was specifically tuned for a T or an E. ( by specific, I mean a spring rate that was at least closer to what people want and an oil weight that matched) Obviously everybody different preferences.

Well, that my piece. I'm not trying to put an end to this thread since it was interesting to read. All I would like to see is a more competitive market with better products and cheaper prices. how can they justify R/C parts that cost more than their 1/1 equivalents. 1/1 shocks are all steel construction with high pressure gas and are often assembled in a clean room. R/C shocks are childsplay.....

Thanks for reading.

Soya

05-08-2002, 02:37 PM

R&D, my friend. The price of RC goes up because of all the research and development that goes into the product. With all the money spent on R&D, the company needs to raise the price to create a positive balance.

Jwelch

05-08-2002, 05:25 PM

You suck Soya :D

crusher649

05-08-2002, 06:10 PM

It's not really the price that's the issue. It's the value.
Lets take those BB shocks for example. There's nothing to them. Just a spring, some oil, a piston, something to hold the piston, a few seals and a cap.

A set of automotive shocks are far more sophisticated with tuned valving ect... but yet they are similarly priced....

The same goes for RC car tires. You can get some steel belted radial automotive 1:1 tires for the same price as some of the RC tires on the market.

Automotive 1:1 manufacturers go through the same R&D. They just do it efficiently.
Since there is so much competition in the automotive world, the finished product is always changing to please the customer. They can't just make a car and try to sell it for a few years and milk their money cow because their competitors will simply come out with a better and cheaper product.

Why can't RC manufacturers do the same. We could have some kick-ass technology by now if changed didn't come so slowly!!!

MaxxThrasher

05-08-2002, 07:02 PM

Finally, someone with ecstatical comprehension to what I mean. Thanx for the reply crusher649.

I have to admit, when I started this thread I did so under much emotional distress. I was ticked! And for a few reasons.
First of all, ever since my first purchase of a Traxxas product I've had problems with the quality of parts. I've delt with them on an engine issue which did not result to my satisfaction. Many more purchases later, and not just of Traxxas parts, but of many manufacturers parts, I began to see a pattern. Out of all the industries I've thrown money at, RC seems to have the worst cost to quality ratio. I've seen this tactic used by many manufacturers including reliable ones; they develope a product and instead of testing it thoroughly, they instead put it out on the market and let the consumer find the flaws. This I find outragous, yet no one else seems to notice or care for that matter.
Then there is the deal with the marketing schemes used to sell products. The manufacturers package and name products for specific vehicles for the sole purpose of sales. They take products they've been making for years, package them differently and advertise them as a new product. This is what leads me to the most appalling part.
I have found that the majority of consumers in the RC market have the attitude that if they run into a problem with a product they have purchased; that what needs to be done is to buy some other product that will enhance the first product so that it will work correctly. What the heck are these people thinking? This attitude is what jacks up the cost of RC parts and kits year after year and the quality just keeps getting worse or at best stays the same, which definately needs improvement.

So to finish,
The multitude has spoken and assumed the position. I just hope that the next product you people buy comes with grease!

Soya

05-08-2002, 07:35 PM

jwelch--you're not very nice:p

MaxxThrasher

05-09-2002, 11:41 AM

HPI Staff
HPI Administrator
From: Irvine, CA

The vinyl that we use for the window masks is "low tack", which means that it is designed to be removed. From what we understand it's more sensitive than standard sign vinyl. For some reason it has problems with the adhesive from time to time.

I've seen the edges curl up with some paint, candy red did it to me. I just pressed it back down and sprayed over it, the window line decals covered any rough edges.

As the other thread said, don't use solvent to clean the goo. Just dab the goo with the window mask or some masking tape, it will come off pretty easily.

Instead of improving the product, they give you some crappy solution to correct their selling you faulty products. And what do you consumers do? Bend over and say: Ok HPI, well buy your crappy product and spend the extra time to clean up the residue left behind with some extra tape I have laying around. Way to go!:rolleyes:

Soya

05-09-2002, 02:08 PM

God, I hate people like you. I am unsubscribing to this dumb thread.

MaxxThrasher

05-09-2002, 02:11 PM

Its about time! We all thank you! :D

BuzzinHornets

05-09-2002, 02:40 PM

Sounds to me like you need to find a new hobby maxxthrasher. It is obvious that you can not be pleased. I also hope that when you make your comments about "you consumers" you are including yourself, unless you fabricate all of your r/c's yourself that is. Let me ask you this, can you please everybody all the time? No, I did not think so, niether can ANY manufacturer. You just happen to be one of the consumers that can not be satisfied, so you come to a place such as this and belittle not only the company that pissed you off, but any individual that is satisfied with, and supports these companies.

MaxxThrasher

05-09-2002, 03:48 PM

Oh I can be pleased. Just as long as the cost vs. quality of the product I purchase is at least in the same ball park. Just in case your wondering, I have purchased RC products that are of great quality and very reasonably priced. Its the shysters that get me all fired up. Not to mention the consumers that voluntarily turn a blind eye to the fact.

As far as my comments on "you consumers" the above mentioned are the ones I speak of. Uneducated consumers that believe the quality of products are what they are and they can't do anything about it. Thats its ok to buy a $100 part and if it falls apart the 1st week they have it, its ok to buy another one. Consumers that time and time again support MFGs that run them over. Consumers that are too stupid to know they are getting screwed. Are you one of these?

"JMO"