Tamiya TRF414M/WCR/M2 Racing Forum

[Cychalen]

Here.
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?lp=ja_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tamiya.com%2Fjapan%2Fnews%2Fn ews0302%2Fnews5.htm
http://babelfish.altavista.com/babelfish/urltrurl?lp=ja_en&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tamiya.com%2Fjapan%2Fnews%2Fn ews0302%2Fnews6.htm

[synapse75]

carters link is the first page in a set the parts are in, took me a bit to figure that out, I thought the parts were in one of the links. Heres the page the parts are on. (http://www.tamiya.com/japan/news/news0302/news5.htm)

Tamiya does provide much of the site in english, but it doesnt seem that page is in english yet.

[synapse75]

good work, those are some interesting transalations.

What i dont like is the first thing it says is RC limited commodity.

[Cychalen]

Tamiya items beginning with 49 are limited editions.

[dissassociated]

I'm having trouble finding some parts for my 414M2. I smacked the boards at my local track last week and broke the ball ended kingpin in the front suspension. Where can I get one of these? I called Tamiya and they don't have them. Any help would be appreciated.

[synapse75]

first try www.speedtechrc.com as they are in the states.
If that place doesnt have it, www.rainbowten.com out of japan most likely will, shipping is actually very resonable, they have the best prices also. If you order mon, usually you get the order thursday or friday

[synapse75]

i think the yokomo ones maybe the same, if ur local shop carries yok parts

[NMT_RACER_BOY]

I am leaning to the 414M2
i was wondering, what is the difference between 414M2 and 414 world replica?
thanx

[NMT_RACER_BOY]

I want to get a electric touring and i am leaning to the 414M2 since it's only 259.99 and has all the hop ups you want
i was wondering, what is the difference between 414M2 and 414 world replica?
are they 190mm? or skinnier like the other tmaiyas?
thanx

[TRI-TURBO]

The 414 world replica is more of a " Collectors item" than a race car since tamiya only produced 1700 of them, and the replica probably costs 2x more than an orginal 414m2
http://www.tamiya.com/japan/products/49255trf414m_wcr/plate.jpg

I would go for a 414m2

[NMT_RACER_BOY]

what? so they charge twice as much just for a different motor plate?
why is that 414m2 not racable? shouldn't it be allowed if hopped up ta04s can race?

is there any difference between the rear a-arm mounts of the MII and world replica? i heard they had different agle?

[NMT_RACER_BOY]

will this fit the 414MII? since pro2 and 414MII is very simular cars?
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXRT14&P=7

[dissassociated]

Originally posted by synapse75
first try www.speedtechrc.com as they are in the states.
If that place doesnt have it, www.rainbowten.com out of japan most likely will, shipping is actually very resonable, they have the best prices also. If you order mon, usually you get the order thursday or friday

Thanks for the info synapse. I finally figured out the parts I need are in the C-hub, upper arm kit for the TA04. I ordered it from my local hobby shop and should have it Friday. I needed another C-hub anyways since the wreck trashed that too.

[dissassociated]

Originally posted by NMT_RACER_BOY
what? so they charge twice as much just for a different motor plate?
why is that 414m2 not racable? shouldn't it be allowed if hopped up ta04s can race?

is there any difference between the rear a-arm mounts of the MII and world replica? i heard they had different agle?

I heard that the front and rear A arm mounts are different on the World Champ replica. Also I think you get the different front sway bar. Possibly other upgrades too. As TRI-TURBO stated, I think it's more a a collectable than anything.

You can get the Replica sway bar kit for $25 and the A arm mounts are shimmable to different heigths for changing the kickup angle. There isn't much you cannot adjust on the 414M2. The only thing I don't like about this car is the lack of parts support at my local hobby shop/track. I think that might start to change since more and more guys are running them. right now it's mostly TC3's and XXX-S's at the track.

[JimmyMac]

I get all my parts from SpeedtechRC. They do great service. As for the A-arms, they are the same except that the fronts have a hole drilled in them for the new upper sway bar. If you take a look at a regular 414 front A-arm, you'll notice a small dimple next to the shock hole. This dimple is where you'd drill a hole if you couldn't get the "new" arms. Bulk heads are also different on the replica vs. the M2. They are machined out to be lighter. Plus there is the introduction of titanium turnbuckles as well as aluminum drive shaft bones. The shocks might even be different as well. I can't remember. (I might be thinking of Yokomo as they have switched to newer shocks on the V2 Special.) Of course the roll centers are different and it comes with a Protoform Stratus body. Blah blah blah.... They are both nice cars. You'll do good with either or.

[synapse75]

cool kai parts
http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~kmodels/ev3.htm

im having a hard time believing its possible to make the shox nicer than what is in the standard mII kit.

[synapse75]

this pertains more to this forum
http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~kmodels/414mkaipro.htm

[dissassociated]

Originally posted by synapse75
this pertains more to this forum
http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/~kmodels/414mkaipro.htm

Hmm. TC3 type steering rack with bearings and a nice wide chassis so you can mount all your radio eqipment on the chassis to lower the CG. Nice. What is the availability in this country and the price?

A side note: I was at the NAIAS in Detroit last night and the Ferrari display had a 1/10 RC Modena in a showcase. I checked it out and wouldn't you know.....it was a TRF414! I'm not sure if it was an M though. Definitely not an M2. I'll post a pic as soon as I upload it later.

[synapse75]

i think the tc3 rack steering is dumb, it drags on one side no matter what, too much friction and movement.

the best steering system is a single bellcrank like the xray or older kawada sedan

[synapse75]

ive been told the parts are extremely hard to get, and a chassi kit runs around 280USD shipped

[dissassociated]

Originally posted by synapse75
ive been told the parts are extremely hard to get, and a chassi kit runs around 280USD shipped

$280!!!! Forget that!

[X-garage]

Is there a way to order some parts from KAI?

[NMT_RACER_BOY]

Originally posted by NMT_RACER_BOY
will this fit the 414MII? since pro2 and 414MII is very simular cars?
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXRT14&P=7
Well, any one know that this will fit?

[X-garage]

I jut got 414 yesterday and I'm missing 8 pieces of 5mm adjuster. Does any of you have this problem? What should I do...?..call them?

[synapse75]

thats seems odd. losi leaves stuff out of their kits all the time, but thats fairly uncommon for tamiya.

you can buy a spacer kit that gives you all kinds of different ones in blue and silver for adjusting stuff, i think it runs like 5bux.

im not sure how great their customer relations are, have you found a number for US headquarters?

[X-garage]

I already called and every time I tried it will connect me to the voice mail. I sent already email...and still no respond.

Yes, it is not common for Tamiya, but it happens. I actually don't worry much about that, because I still have some spare parts from other cars to use, but it should not be Tamiya.

[dolemite]

:confused: any \body knows how to ordet kai rc partys for tamiya i

[X-garage]

I wanna know that too!:(

[ShinHed]

Originally posted by dolemite
:confused: any \body knows how to ordet kai rc partys for tamiya i

Kai parts are usaually limited production and, they don't ship outside Japan. Unless you have a friend in Japan, don't ask. Besides, Tamiya has just released new 414 cabon and alloy pieces.

From Hiro..
"TAMIYA releases TRF414M Parts at the end of February.

49269 TRF414M LIGHTWEIGHT FRONT BULKHEAD
49270 TRF414M LIGHTWEIGHT REAR BULKHEAD
49271 TRF414M LIGHTWEIGHT MOTOR PLATE

49272 TRF414M SSG CARBON UPPER DECK
49273 TRF414M SSG CARBON LOWER DECK
49274 TRF414M SSG CARBON FRONT DAMPER STAY
49275 TRF414M SSG CARBON REAR DAMPER STAY
*the SSG carbon to have carried out coating of the sheet which wove the
aluminum fiber into both sides of a carbon plate.
"
Reserve them from Hiro's.

[synapse75]

from what i understand, they maybe as hard to get as kai parts, and there will most likely be a premium for them

i posted earlier that kai chassis go for about 280 if you can find somebody to ship it to you

[dissassociated]

I finally got my front end parts yesterday, so my car is back together.

Here is that TRF414 Modena Ferrari had at the Detroit Auto Show.

[dissassociated]

The front window....

[X-garage]

Can some one show me what kind of tape and how to tape the battery to the chassis? I'm really having a hard time getting it right.

[dissassociated]

Originally posted by X-garage
Can some one show me what kind of tape and how to tape the battery to the chassis? I'm really having a hard time getting it right.

I use Competition Products battery strapping tape. That's what they sell at my local track.

I cut a piece that is long enough to go from the top of the first cell, through the bottom of the chassis and up through to the top of the last cell. I just feed the tape up through the front hole and stick it to the top of the first (forwardmost) cell. Then I carefully stick it to the bottom of the chassis pulling the tape tight as I go and holding the cells tight to the chassis. I feed it up through the back hole and pull it up sticking it to the rear cell making sure its tight. I then cut another piece to go across the top of the cells just to keep the tape together.

I don't know if that's the best method, but that's how I do it. It works for me, me cells have never fallen out with that tape.

[synapse75]

just to offer a different method

i used racers edge tape

i would cut about a foot and half, its enough to go around about two times.

I would feed about two inches down through the front hole and stick it to the bottom of the chassis. they come back over the batteries and through the back hole then back up through the front. When i have the tape back through the front, i would pull up on the tape and push down on the first cell cinching the tape and the cell down to the chassis. Then i repeat one more time. The 2nd time around after i cinch the tape and press the tape across the cells i would cut off the remainding tape just above the rear most cell.

One advantage to tape, if you do it right, is the cells cannot move at all. Loose cells will upset handling when changing directions. I like to go around twice, because in the event of a big crash, ur cells will not come loose. Loosing as a result of ur cells coming loose is never good.

[JimmyMac]

My method is to pull the tape out to the length from the front wheel nut to the back wheel nut and cut it. Pull one end of the tape up and through the front tape strap hole. Pull the other end up and through the back tape strap hole. Then put the cells in place and strap them down. If I worry about the tape breaking (I usually don't) then I'll cut about an inch or two of tape off and place it on top of the tape where it will more than likely be cut in two (the tape slots). Cells stay in nice and secure.

[X-garage]

Those are some good tricks on taping battries. I will try all of them and see what is my best choice. thanks...go 414!:D

[X-garage]

Here is my baby!
http://www.finishedart.com/sutti/GARAGE/picture_ETC/414.jpg

[NMT_RACER_BOY]

does 414MII come with clamp on hex hubs?

[X-garage]

That is a HPI hex hubs, but you get clamp hex hubs with TAMIYA TB III.

[AudiS4]

Set-up board recommendations, Please.

I am just returning after a 6 year break from the sport and need to get this car dialed in.

Anyone using the Hudy or Integy set-up tools?

What boards are being used with the Integy tools?

Thanks

[synapse75]

what would be more helpful is to know the track surface, straight away length, lane widths and general corner angle.
Tires and stock or mod?

[AudiS4]

synapse75..

Sorry I didn't make myself clear when I said dialed-in. I am looking for information on the different set-up boards, not a set-up for the chassis.

I have a good set-up, very neutral. The problem is that my "pit table" has lots of flex so the simple camber and ride hieght gauge are not effective at the races unless I put it on the cold, dirty ground.

To answer your question..

We are running on carpet laid over a very uneven concrete warehouse floor. The main straight is maybe 60 feet long leading into a long progressivley tighter left hander, hairpin right, (2) 90degree lefts seperated by 2 feet then a high speed sweeper right terminating into a chicanne left, right and a final hairpin left leading into a opening sweeper left onto the main straight. Main straight is 6 feet wide the rest of the track is 4 feet wide. Average lap times are around 10.3 seconds for the fastest drivers

I am runnning German TCS rules using a Tamyia 24mm A tires with soft inserts. I guess you would call it mod since we can run any motor as long as its Tamyia. I use the old Dyna Run with a 24/90 48 pitch. Motor and gearing selections are perfect for the track, I can out accelerate everyone out of the turns and top speed is on par with everyone else. My lap times are .25 second off of the leader. My times are slower due to lack of practice, other then attending the races and setting up my sons TL01 I have no track time.

Thanks

[JimmyMac]

Well I run a Matt Francis Setup Board. I got it because it was the only cheap board I could find at the time for $29... then found out that Trinity was selling them at Cleveland for only $20. Oh well. It's just a simple cheap piece of Acrylic "plexiglass or lexan" with a think foam pad to put underneath. All the markings are etched into the clear board. It's nice and it does the job for me. I also use the Integy setup station. It's a very nice setup. Works great, and quality is nice. It's all aluminum and easy to read. For $60 you can get the setup station. For around $9 you can get the carrying case (highly recommended.) Only downside it only comes with "american" wheel nuts to secure the plates to the axles. You need these "kit" nuts to use the caster feature. These nuts are for TC3's and XXX-S's.... and other "american" cars. You can use your 414 much like I did by just using regular wheel nuts. But it's not as convenient. I went ahead and bought the "metric" setup wheel nuts. That's like another $9. But it all fits in the case. And it's all worth it for the die hard racer/hobbiest. I run both a TC3 and 414. Works Great!

[synapse75]

sorry
didnt realize you were specifically looking for a setup board...

ive been looking at getting the yok for touring

i've never seen much need for a setupboard unless the chassis at hand has a triple pillow ball suspension, ugh...

maybe im just real old school too

[AudiS4]

Thanks..

maybe im just real old school too

ROFL.. Some of my fellow racers suggested I race Gentlemen class which is 35 and up, since being older and gone so long I didn't stand a chance with the younger racers. :p I had to remind them that the Military just made me look older and that I wasn't in that age bracket just yet.

The last time I raced was when the TA03 had just come out.

Well my first race wasn't the best. 5th in the B-main, however I had built the car the night prior and assembled some batteries during free practice. Managed 24 laps

This past weekend I was better prepared and found a solid set-up. Qed 8th in the A-main and finnished 5th. Only ran 3 of the 5 Q to help my son out during his first race. The top three drivers are all former German Tamiya Cup Touring car winners so I'm feeling better and managed to turn 28 laps.

I too am old school but this new amazing piece of low slung speed has so much potential for minuscule steps of improvement that I want a more exacting method of measurement. :D WOW say that fast!

I really loved how easy the TA02 was to race..... Back when I had to walk up hill to school both ways...

Cheers

[synapse75]

do you have the 5.5mm spacer kit. It helps alot for adjusting the roll center. I also found the worlds style front swaybar to make the chassis much more responsive. The chassis doesnt seem to corner real well until you have the arm mounts a few mms above the chassis, then look out... :) Raising the inner ballend on the chassis the camber links mount to helps also.

[AudiS4]

KilRuf-- Thanks for the information

synapse75

I have the upper roll-bar on order. I had to remove the front roll-bar this past weekend to raise the roll center. With the standard roll-bar configuration the ball-end set screws rub against the front drive shaft.

When I get home tonight, I plan on stripping the entire car down to inspect for wear and tear then rebuild. I don't like how the belt rubs when the roll center is raised, time for some filing and teflon tape. Have you noticed that the front drive shafts at wheel lock with the RC raised are not very smooth.



The chassis doesnt seem to corner real well until you have the arm mounts a few mms above the chassis, then look out...

I could not agree more! I had terrible understeer and the car was more of a drifter then anything else on a cold track until I raised the RC. Then it was like a whole new car!

[AudiS4]

ShinHed..

Check this out

http://www.hlj.com/cgi-perl/hljlist.cgi

A hobby shop in Japan that will export and have pages in English. I have never ordered from them but came accross the site via a Tank site.

Of course the new Tamiya parts are not yet available but they are listed onthe page.

[synapse75]

the car is all alum and graphtie, there isnt much to wear...

I forgot, i had to grind the front, rear suspension mount down and file it smooth because the belt was rubbing it slightly.

What i did for the front til i had the top mount swaybar, is i ground the plastic holders down slightly to get more clearance.

If you need parts that are hard to find, www.rainbowten.com will have them and are great to deal with, if you order monday they are pretty good about getting stuff to you the same week.

I put a good helping of tamiyas antiwear grease in the CVs. I experimented with a lighter greats but it was all thrown out and i noticed they would bind some and grind on each other a little. With the joints packed with the antiwear grease i didnt have any probs with them. I put alum bones in the rear, they are amazing light. If your fellow racers are more dosile than mine, i would hightly suggest running them all the way around.

I also noticed the rear delrin outdrives dont hardly wear at all. The shocks are about the best shocks i have seen on any chassis to date.

pix of my baby (http://pws.chartermi.net/~synapse/trf.html)

[dissassociated]

Originally posted by synapse75
If you need parts that are hard to find, www.rainbowten.com will have them and are great to deal with, if you order monday they are pretty good about getting stuff to you the same week.



All I get at that link is a search page???

[synapse75]

sorry

try this one
http://www.rainbowten.co.jp/english/index.html

[dissassociated]

Thanks Synapse!

One more question. You said you brought up your control arms by putting more spacers under the bulkheads right? You meant the alluminum bars that hold the control arms in correct? I think the stock setup is to juat put 2mm spacers under the front bar (front and rear of the car) for a base kickup adjustment. What did you add? Another 2mm (front bar and back bar) to both ends of the car?

Thanks

[synapse75]

when i said bulkhead, i ment the alum mounts that capture the hingepins.

The rear i had about 5mm even and the front i was running like 5or6 under the back mount and 4 or 5 under the front mount to give it a little anti-dive. I was also looking to take away some of the caster to increase the contact patch under cornering.

[tamiyajoe]

wat suspension hop ups should i get? i have a m2 and i want new stuff for it. i wanna replace all the plastic stuff like the caster blocks. i alos like the new chassis stuff, were can i get it? were can i get the parts to convert my front sway bar setup to the one one the world limited edition (or watever it is) im happy with the electronics wheels and body, JUST WAT SHOULD I GET FOR THE CHASSIS?im tryin to beat all the tc3's i see, wat will help?

[pchan]

What will help? Nothing!!!

Just your driving skills...!!~ no money to spend....just practice....!!

[AudiS4]

synapse75

Thanks for the info and sharing pics of your car. My parts did not come in this past weekend so I spent the time painting instead of cleaning.

Who make the alu bones? They might be good for the A's but not during Q's here.

I will have to try the anti wear grease on the CV's.

When I used the spacers to raise RC I also filed one side of them flat so I could get a tight fit against the bulkheads.

[dissassociated]

I should have my WCR sway bar and spacer kit this week. I got them from SpeedtechRC. I also noticed they've got more 414M2 parts since I last checked including the spares I needed last time!

Edit:

Audi,
SpeedtechRC carries those bones. They're out of stock though.

http://64.70.208.72/speedtechrc/203.html

[AudiS4]

Dissassoc..

Thanks. I will have a search locally for the parts. Since Speedtech seems to be out of EVERYTHING I want, go figure.

[tamiyajoe]

i love my m2!!! its great. but i got terrible news, im sellin it (go to the B/S/T forum) just wanted to let u no if u or someone u no wants one

[2Fast2Furious]

Hey people give me some good reasons why I should buy this car besides the fact its sharp as hell!!. Ive had my eye on this car and the NTC3 about how much run time do you get out of the TRF414MII.

[FROGSTER]

synapse 75

where did you get the belt tensioner that mounts on the rear bulkhead i would like one for my car when i run mod

[2Fast2Furious]

I'm thinking of getting one of these cars and am wondering if these parts are included with this kit.?

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXWG18&P=K

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXWU10&P=K

[JimmyMac]

yup

[2Fast2Furious]

No new post in 4 days.????????????????????????????????????????????? ?????????????????????????????????????????????????? ???????:mad:

[CaseyDDR]

I jus bought me a TRF414MII :) i can't wait to get it :D After a long time I finally decided to get back into ti, and so i couldn't back out again i bought this :) Now if i decide to keep my classic TA-02 and let my little bro drive it. yay!~


now a Q, rae they anymore sexy hop ups i can buy for this car that is NOT included?

[2Fast2Furious]

I have my car on order now I was wondering what size body will work on it 190 or 200mm bodies.?

[FROGSTER]

both will fit but the 200mm is for nitro sedans

[InsaneRc]

KilRuf Do you have any pics of your Snowbirds Body? It was sweet.

[JimmyMac]

What? The Orange and White? I'll have it at the "Beach" this Saturday. You gonna be there? I have another body I might bring. Back to my traditional Red/White/Blue. Just wish I had more Tamiya Stickers. Looks like I gotta order some more whenever my preorder for the EVO3 comes in. Anyhow, I never took pictures of my stuff at the Birds. I'll have to this weekend. See ya there!

Jimmy Mac

[InsaneRc]

I'll be thier this weekend, got a small sheet of 414 stickers you can have.

Garry

[JimmyMac]

Thanks Insane for the stickers and steering bearing!! I owe you one! Had a good run in the qualifiers. TQ'n and all. But the bad luck in the main got me again! I mean, come on.... 56seconds to replace a body clip! haha.... Oh well, it was when Alex bumped me that mine fell off. But he got it back and broke out of the main. :D Anyhow the setup was nice. Just need to work on gearing. Perhaps next time. Drop me a line whenever you plan on heading down! I'm sure I'll be back up sometime again to give carpet another chance. Catch ya L8R. And thanks again.

Jimmy Mac

[InsaneRc]

Hey Jimmy how can I get just a little more steering? I have th espeed Stock and Mod but always get took in the 'T' at Hobbytown.

[leungda]

Dear 414 lovers

I use a 40:120 gearing with my 8 turn trinity motor on my TRF414M2.

My ESC ¡§GT7 Novak¡¨ burned after 3 rounds on track. Some people said my gearing ratio is wrong, are they right?

What gearing ratio should I use with 8 turn motor?

Also, how can I set my rear toe-in on the 414M?



Thanks for your help.

[InsaneRc]

Your gearing does seem rather high I run 39/125 in stock and 36/125 in 19T Mod. I've never run an 8T but it has to be under the stock gearing.

My 2:p

[FROGSTER]

i gear my 414 with a stock motor 39/120 fdr (final drive ratio) of 6.56 ,19 turn i gear it 36/120 fdr of 7.11, 11 turn i gear it 32/120 fdr of 8.0
with a 8 turn motor i would say a gear ratio of 31/128 or fdr in the high 8's to low 9's should be a good start

for rear toe, that is adjusted with the rear blocks, the stock kit comes with a zero dot block which i think gives you a total rear toe of 2 degrees
tamiya also makes a 1 dot block with a increase of 1/4 degree each side or 2 1/2 degrees total and they make a 2 dot block with a increase of 1/2 degree each side or 3 degrees total

[JimmyMac]

InsaneRC, might try to shorten the wheelbase to get the car to rotate better if that's what you are looking for. As for the "T", is that the turns right in front of the drivers stand? If so, I like to take that from the outside goin in. I can just about take a straight shot through there taking the inside lane of other cars. I usually end up letting off the throttle and start turning right when the car passes the color change of carpet and partial throttle it thru the corners. I find that I have to change the driving style to get the car to go through the turns faster rather than try to get more steering out of it. Seems to have worked for me as I took TQ against other cars that had more steering and acceleration than me. I just held a tighter smoother line. Rounding off my turns instead of squaring them off. Blah blah blah. hehe....

[leungda]

I think the cheapest price on earth for the kit is in Hong Kong. I get it for only US$510. Including new front setup and stratus body.

Anyone need help in buying this kit?

[InsaneRc]

KilRuf do you run yours with the short wheelbase?

[JimmyMac]

No, I tried it at the snowbirds and it made the car rotate more in the turn. Right now I'm at full length. All my arm mounts are flat on the chassis except the very front one. I have a small shim under there.... the smallest blue one I think. Full diffs front and rear including locked pulley. AE White springs up front and AE Purple springs rear. 80wt front, 70wt rear. Yellow sway rear, Silver Worlds front. Stock camber link/bulkhead spacer/shim. -1.5 camber all around. Front Spindles reversed (left on right... right on left... C1/C2 reversed) No droop screws. 5mm ride height all around. Yokomo 2° offset foams with Purple/Purple front and Purple rear. Shaved down to 57mm. Shock position middle F/R? Hmmm I can't remember if there is anything else. I know that a TC3 can turn sharper than me. But I found out that they loose corner speed in doin so. So basically you just make a nice arc around the turn keeping a good speed. Blah blah blah.... Go ahead and try my setup. You might not like it. But it was fast enough for qualifying. There's a chance I "might" show back up this Saturday again... I dunno yet. If so... see ya there!

[InsaneRc]

Thanks for the advice Jimmy. Today in practice I was able to stay right with the A-Main leaders from last Sat, and a head of the second place guy with your lines trading paint back and fourth. As long as I don't break or get distracted should do good Sat.:D

Garry

[JimmyMac]

I won't make it this Saturday. I'm gonna help run an RC concrete oval race down here. But good to hear you are doin better. Gonna setup my car this Sunday at the local track. Trying to get hooked up back on Asphalt. I'm heading to the TCS race on March 23rd up in PA. Should be fun! Indoor Asphalt track! Anyhow, gotta go hook up my new bearings for the car.... Let me know how you did!!

JMac

[tamiyajoe]

on the rear hub cariers, there is a hole w/ some bracing. (the holes are on the side facing the rear, and the holes themselves are facing toward the bak of the car) does anyone know why they are there?


BTW: is this thread dead? c'mon more 414 stuff!

[J-racer]

I think they are there so you can put the shocks in a really laid down position, but I don't think anybody ever uses them. I dremelled them off, just like Surikarn did on his WC car.

[cobra81li200]

Hi fellas, I've just received my SSG parts and mounted them on the chassis and I really recommend them.

Indeed, the car looks like another car, and it should handle even better, as the pack is even more centered than in the original version (pay attention not to short cut it...).

Now I'm going to order the bulkheads and the car will be even lighter !

For setups, my suspension mounts are sets like on the WCR kit (not Surikarn's worlds setup) and it handles very well. We'll see the result in the French National champ in two weeks...

Have fun.

[InsaneRc]

Originally posted by cobra81li200
Hi fellas, I've just received my SSG parts and mounted them on the chassis and I really recommend them.


Where did you get the SSG Parts and how much are they?

[cobra81li200]

I ordered them in a shop in japan, they're around 90 bucks + shipping.

[TRF Drive Hard]

I just got my SSG off ebay today:D

[cobra81li200]

eh eh eh,

Finished 7th at the nationals in the equivalent of your stocks class (17T, 3000 max). Not bad but the car was not as good as expected, rear train was always wanting to fly away :mad:

Otherwise, I found what the problem was after the race, a twisted rear suspension axle grrrrrr !

I've also received the lightweight bulkheads and, wow, they're amazing ! Not such lighter than the WCR ones but soooo sweeeet !

[jackhammer74]

I'm about to get a m2, I just have a question though, I know it comes with a front and middle oneway, and a rear ball diff, but does it also come with an extra ball diff for the front? I thought I read somewhere that it did. I couldn't find any info about this on the Tamiya website. Thanks to anyone that can assist me on this.

[TRF Drive Hard]

No it does not... maybe the 414m wc does... not really sure...

[jackhammer74]

Thanks for the quick response TA03.

[cobra81li200]

The WC even doesn't, but the car is very fast like that. You can ever buy an addictive pulley and diff to run full 4WD when the grip is very low.

[JimmyMac]

Does anyone know where I can get a lower SSG chassis for the 414? A friend is looking for one. Didn't see one on Ebay. And it wasn't in the inventory list at Rainbowten. Any other places to look? Thanks!

[TRF Drive Hard]

They ARE on eBay:D just have to look REAL good;)

[JimmyMac]

Friend called up SpeedtechRC and picked up the last one. I also found a place in Hong Kong that now has one. Thanks anyways. Guess he's happy now! hehe.... I guess he got jealous of my Yok SD! haha.... To bad they don't have one for my Evo3.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Wish they made one for the EVO2:( Heck, why not for every car:p :rolleyes:

[kumpol]

http://shopping.rcmodel.com.hk/images/products/ta-49275.jpg http://shopping.rcmodel.com.hk/images/products/ta-49273.jpg

[kumpol]

shopping.rcmodel.com.hk

[TRF Drive Hard]

Yup have all of em:D

[kumpol]

Anyone has these yet?

http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/rc/electric/110scale/414m2/images/49219/large_bulkhead1.jpg
http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/rc/electric/110scale/414m2/images/49219/large_bulkhead2.jpg
http://www.tamiyausa.com/product/rc/electric/110scale/414m2/images/49219/large_bulkhead3.jpg

I really want them...;)

[TRF Drive Hard]

OMG:eek: i almost forgot about those!!! ya i want them too... but i think i know where to get them:D

[minijosh]

which car is better, the 414m2 or the tb evo 3? i am looking at getting one of these. i just wanna hear what you guys say.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Well i've heard alot of great reviews of the evo3... even does away the aluminum bulkheads to save 40 grams... not bad there... but, to me... the 414m2 seems lighter than any other tamiya kits i have... less parts actually... i am currently upgrading my m2 with a one piece front one-way... should make a hella difference there... but, i still want to get the evo3 myself and make that comparison;)

[TRF Drive Hard]

Whats even nice it uses the 04 hard suspension arms;)

[kumpol]

I have both M2 and Evo3.
IMO......M2 is good for mod and Evo3 is good for stock and 19 turn.
I don't like M2 on carpet at all.
So anyone can tell me where to get those light bulk heads?

:confused:

[cobra81li200]

I have them and also the SSG carbon parts (I also have the one piece one way, which is not much lighter than the older one, only 2g).

The car is extremely light, got to have 70+ g of lests to keep it legal... and extremely fast !

I will never sell my 414, even for a TB3 Surikarn. I don't like the TB, and the problems that my friends had with it (running mod in the french nationals) are not changing my mind...

[TRF Drive Hard]

So where can we get a hold of those bulkheads?:confused:

[TRF Drive Hard]

Ok, i just ordered my set... is 178 too much?:confused:

[Cychalen]

I think it is quite nice if it includes front, rear and motorplate bulkheads.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Yes it does for all 3 pictured above;)

[kumpol]

TA03 Drive Hard: how to get those bulk heads?

[TRF Drive Hard]

I have reliable sources in Hong Kong:D

[TRF Drive Hard]

Hey guys... i been flippin through the pages in tower hobbies using the search on "tamiya" well i came across that TH will be selling the optional bulkheads and motor plate found in rainbow something??? and along with some SSG stuff... but very pricey:eek: i got mine waaaaaaay cheap;)

[TRF Drive Hard]

Well i just got my lightweight bulkheads... boy are they beautiful!:D

[kumpol]

TA03 Drive Hard:
how do you take the bearings out of the old bulkheads and put to the new stuff....or you just get the new set of bearings?

[TRF Drive Hard]

Surprisingly they come with shielded bearings!!! and they come with 3x6mm countersunk hex head machine screws... im trying to see if they are Ti screws, but i doubt it... aluminum, yes...;)

[cobra81li200]

No actually they're Ti screws.

Did you try the car with these bulkheads ? What do you think of them ?

[TRF Drive Hard]

I dont plan on running this car lol... but if i can find replacement parts then i'd be able to run the other one instead:D

[TRF Drive Hard]

Is there is site or store that sells parts for the 414m2? like the suspension blocks? i need some parts to complete another m2...:confused:

[kumpol]

www.speedtechrc.com

http://64.70.208.72/speedtechrc/128.html

[TRF Drive Hard]

Thanks for the help but they are out of stock of what i need... any alternatives?

BTW, i finished upgrading my M2 with the SSG, lightweight bulkheads along with a few other add-ons... like the optional body post:D this thing is sweet... i wish i can take a pic but i have no computer at this moment... i also added the tamiya super modified 11t motor to add... i will also mount the TRF2002 ESC to it... this thing is all Tamiya:D

[Tamiya Virus]

It seems that the 414M SSG carbon set was sold out... But, is there anyone out there who knows where I might be able to get a set? Any info will be much appreicated.

Thanks.

[TRF Drive Hard]

eBay my brotha... eBay...:D

[NMT_RACER_BOY]

ttt

[TRF Drive Hard]

OK gents... as of now so far i have replaced the other Ti screws with SQUARE R/C Sustain hex screws... i used the EVO3 Ti screw set for this... there is actually enough screws to use in the kit... next, yesterday i got my titanium drive shafts and titanium axles from the same company... like all there other stuff, these fit the 414m2 perfectly... these things are beautiful... of course i paid $32USD a pair... that's $128UDS + $45USD for the ti screws... man, im just pouring in money into this chassis:D

[TRF Drive Hard]

Well here finally goes a pic of my 414m2 w/ssg... pic isnt all that good... but i thought i share this with everyone...

-SSG throughout
-Lightweight bulkheads and motor mount
-SQUARE R/C ti screws
-SQUARE R/C ti cvds front and rear
-Ceramic nitride diffballs in rear
-New racing one-piece front one-way
-Aluminum front body post

those were added to the original 414m2 chassis:D

[Anton-C]

hey guys, i was just in my lhs today, and found out that they got a 414m2 in recently and they are selling it for 300 bucks, is this a good deal? its better than tower, but thats the only place ive looked, the guy there said that its a 400 dollar chassis. and its only 100 dollars more than the tao4 i was gonna get.

thanks;)

[cobra81li200]

TA03 DH, if you race the car, you will find that it has even more steering than the classical MII. I've ran it since february with the SSG parts and march with the lightweight bulkheads and the car is very fast.

Anton, yes this is a very good deal, the car is faster and easier to drive than a TA04.

[Anton-C]

sweet! looks like i found my new chassis:D

[TRF Drive Hard]

If i had an identical 414m2, then i might consider running... now if i had a third 414m2, then ya i would run it lol:D

[Anton-C]

well today i got my 414m2 and i brought it home and after i cleared a space i started working on it, so far, it is absolutly perfect, the blue aluminum and CF are beautiful! and i have had no problems assembling it.

i was wondering what your favorite setup is, swaybars, shocks, etc etc etc...

thanks:D

[TRF Drive Hard]

Blue ALL around!:cool:

[mjohnston39]

Looks like a Tamiya prototype TRF 415.

http://www.tamiya.com/japan/products/trf415_pre/index.htm

Mike.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Now that looks sweet!:D

http://www.tamiya.com/japan/products/trf415_pre/415_pre.jpg

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by TA03 Drive Hard
Now that looks sweet!:D

http://www.tamiya.com/japan/products/trf415_pre/415_pre.jpg

Interesting :D

[TRF Drive Hard]

Ok rant time... i cant seem to find the spur gear mount anywhere... even my "hong kong" specialist cant seem to get a hold of it...:(

[Aluma]

ya know, i like the way it looks, but on my track, anyone who has ever run belt drive always gets a rock stuck in there and ends up messing something up cuz of it. I've always wondered what its like to drive a belt drive....If there's a real difference in feeling its power/handling on the track. I'd hate to buy a 415 or an xray evo2 and find it kicks on the track but I cant finish a race cuz I get a rock stuck in the pulley. GEESH that would S##K!

[Aluma]

Hey TRF drivehard, are the Ti CV's worth it? are they stronger than the aluminum or steel? I know I've seen them for my evo3 but wasn't sure If I'd really need them to go faster. Also, are Ti screws stronger than stainless? I have stainless and havent had any sheer off or bend. Ti is lighter, but I'd hate to have a Ti screw sheer off inside the susp. block or bulkhead....

[TRF Drive Hard]

The Ti cvd's are light as aluminum and strong as steel... the best of both worlds;) imho... the Ti screws is another... same as with the Ti cvd's... just dont over tighten then when used with aluminum like the caster blocks;)


As for getting rocks wedged in the belts, whoever prepared the surface did a poor job... that's the only time i'd actually race a 414m2... if its not clean, forget it... although i was able to come across spare belts, center linkage, and spur shaft... the only thing holding me back is the damn spur mount:mad:

[TurboFC3S]

I love the 414 M2's ... I think they're gorgeous! So tell me, are they still competitive? I can get one with a few hop-ups for a pretty decent price. Can they hang with the EVO3's, TC3's, and Xray's?

[TRF Drive Hard]

Originally posted by TurboFC3S
I love the 414 M2's ... I think they're gorgeous! So tell me, are they still competitive? I can get one with a few hop-ups for a pretty decent price. Can they hang with the EVO3's, TC3's, and Xray's?

If Surikarn can, why not;)

The only draw back is parts are hard to find these days... the only hop-up you can do is give it ti rods and ti screws... everything else is pretty much as is... race ready;)

[chuckwagon123]

how much does the 414m2 cost? Not ssg version

[TRF Drive Hard]

A lil over 300... if you can find one...;)

[chuckwagon123]

I got one off an auction. I will post pics when I get it.

[xxxkat]

Shoot I'll sell you 2 of them for $350.

[chuckwagon123]

I paid 169 USD shipped. And I know the condition of it. And it was sent express post.

[TRF Drive Hard]

You got it new? or used?

[xxxkat]

TRF PM me your e-mail and I'll show you some photos of my money green 414MII,never run,ssg chassis,lt wt bulkheads,nice car.

[xxxkat]

:D

[TRF Drive Hard]

Uh... xxxkat... been there, done that... this is TRF we are talkin bout... and im sure yours cannot be anymore loaded than my 414m2...;) but if you insist on sending me pics... shoot me up on aim... TRF414M2 Racer

And that's my screen name:p

[TRF Drive Hard]

BTW, are you selling that ssg version of yours?

[xxxkat]

Yes,I was going to sell them both,and I dont think mine is any tricker than yours..mine is mostley stock,except for the ssg parts and the bulkheads and the front swaybar,and all the alum. parts are now green.and I have the blue one also.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Green?:confused:?

[xxxkat]

Yes green,Anodized not painted,everyone that has seen this car has really dug it,it's not the same old blue.. :D

[TRF Drive Hard]

LOL why not post a pic!

[xxxkat]

I'm not to good on computers I have tried to post some photos but it allways tells me that the file is to big..:confused: If I knew how I would..:(

[xxxkat]

:D

[chuckwagon123]

Is there an online manual for the trf414mII?

[TRF Drive Hard]

Not that i seen... why? need reference?

[chuckwagon123]

Not any more its for sale on eBay

[TRF Drive Hard]

Well im finally getting around to this... im modifing my M2 to fit the R32 Skyline... using the suspension blocks from the 415... im using the X cause its the narrowest of them all... so far it fits nice... i already finished the rear... just to to mod the front with the X blocks, but im waiting for those to come in... (Walawala :D) this is what i have so far

-Full SSG option
-Full lightweight bulkheads and motor mount
-Front racing one-way blue
-F/R titanium axles and shafts
-Titanium turnbuckles
-Titanium screws
-Hardened F/R suspension arms, rear hubs, steering knuckles

Soon to have ceramic nitride bearings... and Hardcore blue 5 spoke aluminum rims... of course this will not be a running model but a shelf model... kinda like having a static model but larger... :D

[TRF Drive Hard]

Here's another interesting project i started... i decided to put together my original 414m2... but im using 415 pulley gears... i thought i try this out and compare this to the 415... now the are some mods needed to complete this... first off, the 414m2 belts wont fit... because of the larger diameter of the pulley gear... luckily i found an old kyosho TF-4 low friction belt that is still new... surprisingly its a perfect fit... now the rear belt was a challenge... i tried using the 415 rear belt but again too small... it has 59 teeth... so i was looking at tower hobbies for belts... hpi has some that i think might work... im thinkin somewhere between 63-70... but i think 70 might be too big... so anyways, there goes my project for the near ending summer... hopefully i can get this done... if it all works out great, ima race this sucker at my lhs... :D

[Balugz]

Hi,

Can I use front & rear shock towers of 415 for my 414M? Same goes to 415 rear belt. How about Evo 4 F/R shock towers?

Thanks...

[TRF Drive Hard]

The rear shock tower wont fit the 414 and the rear belt neither... i tried... but i think the rear shock tower from the evo4 will fit the 415...

[Balugz]

TRF DH,

Is the 415 rear belt a few tooth short compared to the 414 rear belt?

[JimmyMac]

The Evo IV and 415 shock towers will not interchange with each other.

[Balugz]

Kilruf,

How about Evo IV shock towers on a 414M2?

[TRF Drive Hard]

TRF DH,

Is the 415 rear belt a few tooth short compared to the 414 rear belt?

Ya it is a few teeth short...

[JimmyMac]

I dunno. I don't have my 414M2 anymore. But why would you want to???? Did you break yours? I remember my friend broke his at a TCS race. So he ended up fabing together the broken tower with one from the TA04.

[Balugz]

Kilruf,

Haven't broke mine yet. Just in case I did broke mine...

[TRF Drive Hard]

Well its finished... my 414m2 now utilizes 415 pulley gear and center pulley... :D all i have to do is install the electronics... tomorrow i will test it at the race... btw, it has the tamiya super stock type RR and gear ratio of 120/35... if i calculated correctly its a 7.49 ratio... ;)

[^j!nx^]

ehy guys i got a quick question.

is there a way to convert the 414M2 so have the body mounts on the front shock tower so i can use all my other tamiya bodys without needing to drill new holes.

I think i found the parts that i need, would just like some one to confirm this for me

front shock tower
http://rcdrift.rs-scooby.com/albums/RCDrift/tamc3460.jpg

and ta04 body posts, that will give me the sloped rear posts, and the front posts.
http://rcdrift.rs-scooby.com/albums/RCDrift/tamc1003.jpg

[TRF Drive Hard]

Sorry jynx... wont fit... ;)

[TRF Drive Hard]

Look what i got... http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5929546795&ssPageName=STRK:MEWN:IT

[microrcdude]

Ted, YOU ARRE THE LUCKIEST MAN ALIVE!

[TRF Drive Hard]

So lucky... so very lucky... im just glad i finally found one that fits my budget... :D

[shevchenko2000]

I'm selling TRF414M stuff. have a look at ebay. Seller name "trf_skyline".

[TRF Drive Hard]

Post a link in the eBay threads so that everyone can see it... jsut dont post it here ;)

[microrcdude]

Ted, are those worth alot?

[TRF Drive Hard]

Depends... the 414M parts are kinda hard to get... NIB is better... a NIB kit is even harder... id like another 414m2 kit, but cant find one...

[shevchenko2000]

I been post a link for TRF414M parts on ebay. Have a look at RC auction :D

I will add full set of aluminium bulkheads soon... :cool:

[microrcdude]

i like the fact that most of tamiyas high-grade cars use mostly the same suspension kit.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Ya but now there's the lightweight suspension now... im thinkin of swappin the LW in my EVO4 for the normal suspension... :rolleyes:

[microrcdude]

test that EVO 4 first. dont wanna effect the handling on that!

[TRF Drive Hard]

Well i wanna get the Square RC hop-ups for it... F/R hubs, and knuckles... :D

[TRF Drive Hard]

Well guys i am the proud owner of the TRF414M WCR kit... it came today... nib w/shrink... im so happy... :D

[microrcdude]

Nice! How soon will it be on my doorstep?

[TRF Drive Hard]

In the next millenium... when i send u some D's

[microrcdude]

lol good one ted. But really, how soon?

[TRF Drive Hard]

Next D's

[TRF Drive Hard]

I caved in... #896 on the kit :D

[microrcdude]

Sweet!

[TRF Drive Hard]

There are some settings on the WCR that really differ than that of the M2...

[microrcdude]

ya? anything else ya wanna rub in our faces? LOL j/k man no harm

[TRF Drive Hard]

Well actually ya :D the bulkheads are lighter... they have been milled out... ;)

[microrcdude]

Who milled then? Ted the great?

[TRF Drive Hard]

The bulkheads have been trimmed from the inside... i used my teeth... :D

[CrzyDrifter]

hello everyone, i am going to get a trf414 m2 in a couple of weeks. i was wondering if u guys have any comments or tips for this car. and do the body posts fit the Tamiya bodies without any new wholes made (tamiya bodies have pre-drilled holes)?

oh yea do the lightweight bulkheads make a BIG diference? i saw the price for the rear one is 80 bucks and was wondering if it is worth it?

[TRF Drive Hard]

Well the lightweight bulkheads are lighter than the stock... so... ya... ;)

[CrzyDrifter]

how about the body posts? aer the stock ones in the right place for the pre-drilled tamiya bodies?

[RecklessM2]

You will need to drill new holes... drill the back holes first... so if you happen to be off by a few mm, use spacers on your back post to adjust so you can allign your cover with your wheels... then drill your front holes last, cause you can't move them.

Hope that helps..

[CrzyDrifter]

darn it. oh well there goes 4 extra body holes. hahah thanks for the help.

[CrzyDrifter]

soo anybody recommend any upgrades? or is teh car good by it-self? any tips for this car? or any suggestions?

[RecklessM2]

Ti screws is a must have man... whatever you do, do not over tighten your standard screws... especially the counter-sunk screws on the bottom... its a b!tch to get out.

[microrcdude]

Reckless is right. Ti's are a must have. I would also use kimbrough or/and robinson gears. They are much more durable than the tamiya gears.

[CrzyDrifter]

ok thanks. what are kimbrough/robinson gears? i dont really know much about gearing, up until now i have been racing stock cars. i dont know what fits what and how u have to match the numbers up.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Kim & Rob offer a wide range of spurs and pinions... which make gearing almost limitless... imho i only use tamiya gearing...

[TRF Drive Hard]

Ti screws is a must have man... whatever you do, do not over tighten your standard screws... especially the counter-sunk screws on the bottom... its a b!tch to get out.

Unless you have a nice hex wrench with a handle instead of the "L" wrench... those are a wentch to use especially on a tamiya... i use the tamiya trf wrenches... super sweet... ;)

[CrzyDrifter]

ur a TRF-holic huh? lolz. well im supposed to get my car this week and finally i get to play with it.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Yes i am... and proud of it... :D

[CrzyDrifter]

hahaha. kool. r u sellin any cars? im interested in buying another trf or evo if u have one up. im sorta thinkin of retiring the qhole rc picture by buying high end chassis'.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Im not sellin any, sorry... besides, all my rc cars are in chicago lol... :p

[CrzyDrifter]

lolz ok. i just posted a wanted thread and hopefully i get a response. so wats teh diference between the 414, 414m2, and wcr?

also i foun that some 414m2's have the front stabelizers(spelling) in teh upper area then h\the bottome\. looks prety kool. where can get it and does it make a diference?

[TRF Drive Hard]

The WCR is all blue... especially the suspension blocks... has the upper mount front stabilzer, and the stablizer rod is thicker than the blue one...

The M2 is sorta like the replica WCR...

[CrzyDrifter]

can i get teh upper mount stabilizer ? it looks prety kool. and does it make a difference?

[CrzyDrifter]

ok i just got the car and it came with teh set. i tried putting it but there was a problem, on teh arm, dere is no extra hole to put the round ball thingy. im in trouble. please help me.

[TRF Drive Hard]

The only way to get it on is u need the updated arms... they have the lil holes for the stablizer mount... there is another way to mount it... you can thread in a ballstud into the c-hub... there is a mounting hole there... i usually mount mines there... try that... ;)

[CrzyDrifter]

can i c a pic of where u did urs? i dont really understand wat u mean.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Maybe u can see here...
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v238/TRF4152NR/TRF415Blue1.jpg

[TRF Drive Hard]

Look between the lower end of the shock and the tire... u can see the blue ball stud attached to the c-hub... a short and long ball cup was used and a 3x18mm turnbuckle is also used...

[CrzyDrifter]

thanks man. i love how it looks. all blue car, sweet............. i just pout mine and looks prety kool. i cant drive it though. i need some way to attch teh batteries to the car.

[TRF Drive Hard]

The pic shown is my 415... but my 414m2 has the similiar set-up ;)

[CrzyDrifter]

i noticed something was different. haha. kool car man.

[microrcdude]

thanks man. i love how it looks. all blue car, sweet............. i just pout mine and looks prety kool. i cant drive it though. i need some way to attch teh batteries to the car.
Speed tech has some tape that is perfect for holoding your batts in place.

[shevchenko2000]

Hey, I need to know if Tamiya TRF415 Reversible Lightweight Suspension Set can fit on my TRF414MII. It will fit perfect?

[TRF Drive Hard]

It can be mounted but you need to adjust the wheel base... ;)

[Balugz]

Hi,

Got a question regarding suspension block being raised. How will the car respond specially at the front? Will the car generate more grip or just makes the car more responsive?

[TRF Drive Hard]

I believe youre increasing the anti-dive... to be honest, i forgot which was what as for generating grip or being responsive... i read it before too... but ima take a jab... i believe the more anti-dive you have the car is stable in a straight while you loose grip in turns... i hope it sounds right... the effects are reversed...

[CrzyDrifter]

i have a TRF414M2 for sale if anyone is interested.
http://forums.radiocontrolzone.com/showthread.php?t=185719
thats the link

[TRF Drive Hard]

You just got one and now youre sellin... foo... :D

[CrzyDrifter]

i found a problem with it. i dont use saddle packs so i cant use teh batteries i have. if u look at the pic dere the battery holder was cut out so i cant add stick packs anymore. also i got some saddles with it but my charger doesnt have the same plug. nor does my esc. so if i wana make it work i gota buy a new charger a new esc and some new gears for the car.

i gess if my car doesnt seel im goin to have to keep it. then im goint to spend about another $100 on it just to mkae it work.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Sometimes spending some money to get it right makes it right :D ok thats didnt go well... look, you got a nice car... sellin it off prolly wont help, might not sell at all... saddle type is better for low CG... im glad i still have my m2... ;)

[CrzyDrifter]

iunno, i gess il have to see. if someone wants it for a good deal, im willign to give it to them , as long as its good deal, but if it suks, im keepin it, and shellin out over 150 on it just for 3 -4 parts. lolz

[TRF Drive Hard]

Well i see in the DRC you have made a choice... if you do manage to sell this baby and get a 415... coo... you wont be disappointed... ;)

[CrzyDrifter]

yo trf drive hard, wat kind of aluminum parts fit into teh 414m2? like wat model? tt01, tl01, tb01, ta03? cuz if i end up keeping it, i wana make it all blue, and maybe add ssg to it. i think u have a 414 hoped up like crzy no?

[TRF Drive Hard]

I do :D and a 415 too... all the cars mentioned fit none... you can however use the blue suspension blocks from the evo4 or 415... ;) and blue screws like crazy man...

[CrzyDrifter]

which are the suspension blocks?

[TRF Drive Hard]

The ones that hold the suspension shafts... ;)

[CrzyDrifter]

ey wat turn motor r u running on? wat gears?

[TRF Drive Hard]

I was running a Type RR 120/35 gearing i think...

[CrzyDrifter]

kool. i wana have a good setup for my car and i dont know wat to get, u seem to be the only one who is really into trf cars.

[TRF Drive Hard]

I wish i had a p2k2 in mine... it woulda been faster... those tamiya motors are only good for tcs races...

[CrzyDrifter]

ohh hurmm should i get a p2k2? wats the turn on those?

[TRF Drive Hard]

Those are 27t... stock motors... the P2K2 Pro is fast for a stock motor... ;)

[CrzyDrifter]

kool. i want one now. i think ima run straight out p2k2 now.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Be sure its the pro... its dyno'd

[CrzyDrifter]

ok, ty.

[Balugz]

I believe youre increasing the anti-dive... to be honest, i forgot which was what as for generating grip or being responsive... i read it before too... but ima take a jab... i believe the more anti-dive you have the car is stable in a straight while you loose grip in turns... i hope it sounds right... the effects are reversed...

I meant raising all suspension mounts of the front and rear of the car. Will an angled camber link generate more grip?

[Balugz]

TRF Drive Hard,

Have you tried racing your 414 w/ 1 degree toe in at the rear? How good/bad did it performed compared w/ a 2 degree rear hub?