Tamiya TRF414M/WCR/M2 Racing Forum

[TRF Drive Hard]

Isnt she a beauty? I'm getting mine at the end of April!:cool:

[Randy Rathbun]

That is so schweet! I see they are doing the aluminum gear case - been looking for those on the TA04. Guess I just found em!

[ShinHed]

Ta03 Drive Hard,

I guess you gave up on getting a Ta04? Excellent choice:D
I've heard from a Tamiya employee that there is a 414M called, the TRF 414M Champion Memorial Chassis kit and it comes with tools and a Dodge Stratus body. It also looks very good.

[rcruv]

Is it limited edition?

Does that mean they are not gonna keep selling them?

I would've bought it if I had money and they are available in US. :D

The sweetest looking TC I've ever seen. :cool:

[TRF Drive Hard]

Aw heck Shinhead, i never said i gave up on the 04... im still getting the type r chassis... i just made the trf414m2 my main priority...mine is on back order and i cant wait to get it!!!:D

[TRF Drive Hard]

BTW... imagine Hardcore's Neutron 5 spoke Blue rims on this thing... cha ching ching!!! bah bam baby!!! :p

[ShinHed]

Are those the rims you had on one of your cars in which you posted a picture on this board? I admired those rims, got a link to their website?

[TRF Drive Hard]

Yup those are the rims im talking about... they are the sweetest thing next to this chassis... here's a link or website to them... www.racinghardcore.com ;)

[ShinHed]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1718637316

Me thinks this is too much.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Me thinks its too much too... but... hey man i gotta have it :p

[rcruv]

Originally posted by ShinHed
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=1718637316

Me thinks this is too much.

Why this guys claiming it is limited edition?
I thought lhs including towerhobbies in US will start selling it for around $404 this month.

I bet somebody who can't wait will probably snatch it fast though.
:D

I think TRF404MII will be the cuttest Electric TC I've ever seen.

But the price is way too high for me.

:cool:

[pkny]

to those who are buying the trf 414 m gen I or gen II have fun hacking the chassis :D to make it accept saddle's

i sure did ~_~

[TRF Drive Hard]

Wadda ya mean "hack"???? are there not any type of slots for the straps to hold it down? well if not im pretty sure im not running my 414... :p

[rcruv]

Anybody seen it alive yet in US?

So much hype and no proof it really exists. :D

[TRF Drive Hard]

All i really know is that its gonna be released some time soon by the end of april... i could be wrong...;)

[hpidriver]

just to let you guys know....penguin r/c has a full carbon fiber chassis avalible for the tao4. it takes saddles..so no hacking.....i ordered my 414MII last week...horizon hobbies is said to get them the 19th of this month....hey anybody know anyone that wants a TB Evo? i have one nib for sale.

[TRF Drive Hard]

The 19th huh? sheesh i cant wait to get mines... im so impatient right now... i just wish i can it right now!!!:p does anyone know if the 414 can share parts from the ta04? like the arms and hub carriers?

[hpidriver]

i'm pretty sure you can share parts between them. it's the same chassis layout.

[ShinHed]

The arms, hubs, gears, tie-rod, pinions, diffs, belts, one-ways are all interchangable (I came to this conclusion based on my own personal expiriences with my Ta04r and 414m not the attached pic). This pic is not my own but, check it out.




A plug for Eeyan's site since thats who the pic is from:
http://www.taobracing.0catch.com/

[TRF Drive Hard]

Aaaaaaaaaaaah sweet... now i can put the aluminum arms and the other goodies i have on it:D

[Jason C]

The 414MII really is nice. Kinda wish I hadn't bought a TC3 last summer... I think the 414M is a better car than the TB EVO, so I wonder why tamiya chose the EVO over the 414M for RCCA to review in the Pro Touring Car shootout?

ShinHed,

What purpose do the additional upper links on the front serve?

[ShinHed]

JasonC,
The additional upper links are supposedly for improved steering response.

Ta03 Drive Hard:
Aluminum arms? Where did you get those from? A 414x? The 414x arms in the pic are black anodized. Cool eh?

[Jason C]

I see. Thanks.

[pkny]

response to TA03 HARD ..

you need to hack a very 4 small portions of 1/2 cm by 1 cm piece on the chassis to remove the holes that hold the plastic battery holders.

this "extra" obscures the the slots for saddle packs so it basically wont sit in the slots flat..

and you gotta hack this extra pieces..

and also some dude asked bout interchange parts with a ta04 and 414m.. you can interchange parts - they're identical but why would you want to interchange stock plastic ta04 parts on to the 414m when they're already carbon reinforced resin??

[pkny]

btw anybody notice that the installed motor on the 414m is not "centered" to the chassis unlike the ta 04? (look at top pic)

[Gallen]

hey guys, does any of you know how to install a saddle pack onto a TA04 chassis, I am not sure if it's called a saddle, but it clooks like this: llllll six cells vertically put together!

[pkny]

that a stick pack i believe..

saddle is when you have 3 cells by 3 cells in parallel ||| x |||. i dont own a ta04 ( i have a 414m) - i assume you have the plastic tub included with the S...

you can try using a file to remove some of the excess parts that is obscuring the cells from being placed into the tub <<

or if you have $$ go get the generation 2 graphite tub chassis - it comes counter sunk and is slotted so you can put "stick packs ||||||"

[Usagi]

This is one hell of a chassy! If i did not have so many cars I get this one too:D

[jackhammer74]

Hey! did you guys know the 414MII just took second place at the worlds warm up race in South Africa?
It came just behind HPI's new PRO4 prototype driven by Atsushi
Hara. I'm looking for the link right now, when I find it I'll post it.

[TRF Drive Hard]

GO 414M2!!!

[Usagi]

Been hearing the new pro4 that looks like the Tc3.........

The 414mII is in short suppy out here these days.

[TRF Drive Hard]

SUPPY??? EH???:confused:

[Usagi]

Supply :D

[Crazy Canuck]

Whats all this about the 414M being Limited edition? Supply has never been a problem here.

[jackhammer74]

Here's the link about, the World's Warm up race, in which the 414MII finished 2nd.

http://www.rczone.net/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=179&mode=&order=0&thold=0

[Usagi]

limit edition? what the "bup" does that mean? All the Blue parts of the 414m were made in the usa so there should not be any reason for the shortage.

[jackhammer74]

Ok! hold on a sec who started this thing about it being limited edition, it's not. The 414M first edition was limited, the EVO II, that is limited edition.
The 414MII is supposed to be more readily available for the masses, that's why Tower carries it, the problem is going to be with supply and demand and Tower's tendency to jack up prices.
every now and again.

[ShinHed]

BUP??? EH???:confused:

[Usagi]

The M was limited? Well if it was they sold alot of them. Atleast out here in Japan it was not limited edition.

[jackhammer74]

this should clear it up

.http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/49175trf414m/trf414m_top.htm#report

[TRF Drive Hard]

Soooooooooo does anyone here have one yet? cause i'm still waiting for mine ;) FedEx is takinf too too long... Tower Hobbies better have it soon or i'm gonna hafta go down younder to picks yer upper ya know?:p

[ShinHed]

No tengo ningún dinero.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Ima proud owner of the TRF414M2... all this waiting finally paid off:D

[Usagi]

You know those "blue" parts are made in the usa. Not Japan........

[TRF Drive Hard]

Hmmm i could have sworn you said that in a previous post:p

[StevePond]

congratulations to Tamiya for winning the World Championship with the M2! :D :D It's nice to see their efforts pay off.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Man that is soooo awesome... im glad ima die hard fan of tamiya:D

[Babblefish]

So does anyone know what the differences are between the TRF414M and the TRF414MII besides the blue anodizing? I just got my TRF414MII and the kit seems kinda "thin" for what it cost.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Hmm... i do recall reading somewhere that the chassis was "thinned" a few millimeters... right before the racers... hmm:confused:

[TRF Drive Hard]

Nertz... i wont have my M2 till tuesday... FedEx is beginning to slow up these days:(

[Gallen]

what do you mean by "thinned"?

[TRF Drive Hard]

Actually i meant narrowed... im trying to remember here i read this... i know it was something about narrowing the chassis some place... and this was done right before the big races... hmmm...:confused:

[pkny]

are you sure you didn't mix up with the ta04 R - they have 2 chassis.. the orginal tub was a few mm too long the new ones are corrected..

[TRF Drive Hard]

I am somewhat positive:p cause thats how they got 4141m2... why designate it "m2" if not?:confused:?

[TRF Drive Hard]

Hey i got my M2:D ... but... i am not all that excited... why? well the box isnt what i expected... it was smaller, red!?!?!:confused:!?!?! seemed a bit cheap to me... unlike the ta04 pro box... it has a handle! after all this raving about the m2... i was a lil bit dissappointed... i opened it, checked out the contents, and said... hmm cool... but i wasnt like ya baby ya! sort of thing... so i said screw this, i'm putting it together, so i did... the instructions as usual are awesome... i didnt have any trouble assembling the parts... the main chassis though is somewhat ok... i was hoping that the carbon saddle pack of the ta04 would fit, i guessed wrong... all the holes are marked different... i didnt want to do all that hacking just to fit saddle pack batteries, but instead, im just using this as a show piece:D sorry guys, i dont plan on running a $400 chassis... i built the kit and it looks awesome... i like the craftsmanship... the one thing that catches my eye are the blue bulkheads... those things are sweet! oh another thing i was hoping would fit is the ta04 blue motor mount plate... the one that is finned, but it doesnt... what a bummer... so far the only option i put in are aluminum ball studs... i slapped those in place of the stock ones... heck look alot better... shes all finished now, but i need to put the trf shocks on... when i get enough money again... i will purchase another one, but keep it in the box:p but right now... i think the ta04-r looks better with all the options for it... thats my next project;) so for those who plan on buying the trf414m2, buy at your own risk:p ima tamiya die hard fan so it was inevitable that i would end up with one:D have fun:)

Tedhttp://www.plauder-smilies.com/cat3.gif

[ShinHed]

I decided I wasn't going to open my original 414m but, buy a red boxed M2 to build (I did not buy one yet. Personal problems:o). If you want one as a keepsake, I recommend the more limited version in the black box, that includes tools, wheels, and a body. It's about 375-400. Avoid the scalpers on eBay.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Well gee i would like a more limited version :p not one with some ugly red box :D

[lance_5346]

the M2 doesnt has a trimmed (thinned) chassis, or lower plate, I already had a TRF414M and an 414X as a gift, then I sold my TAO4 with all the hop-ups and bouth an M2 when it was released.

Just like the TA04-Pro and TA04-Pro Blue ed., the only parts that are different are...you guessed it, the blue parts . :p A few weeks later, I sold most of the parts of the M2 (the ones that aren't blue) since there wasn't really a point in keeping hardly the same car. I just took the blue parts of the M2 and bolted them on the TRF414X(the X has alum. arms and hub carriers which are a tad heavy, but cool anyways) and just put on display. :cool:

And the TRF414M and X are both limited edition, but the M2 isn't.:rolleyes:

[Gum]

Do you know where I can find a 414X ?
I love collectors cars ;)

[lance_5346]

Good Luck on finding one, as far as I know, the 414X was only released in the US and only in a VERY Limited supply, around 200 or so, because I think it was still a proto car. I only got mine from my Uncle who has a friend that is a Tamiya dealer, he had to pay $50 more to get it, coz it was like a "display only" car.

I'm not sure about the supply quantity, but it is a limited run kit, since it wasn't still handling very well.when the TRF414 was released, the X was scrapped.

[Usagi]

you can still find them around.............Even out here in Japan yes the 414x USA Edition. used but still a 414x

[lance_5346]

well, that's used. I was talking about the brand New ones.
not too many people bought it in the US as I was informed,coz not too many people payed attention to it.

As far as I remember, the 414x was released the same year as the TC3, anyone can confirm this? i didn't really keep track of when it was released, coz I hardly knew about it until it came in the mail.

[M 5]

Hello Guys,

I was wondering why the 414M is more expensive than the 414M II....(49219)?? What don't it include in the 414M II.... ?

Many Thanks! ! !

[TRI-TURBO]

frm what i can think of ...setup-wheels!:p

[M 5]

setup as-in?

[Usagi]

Originally posted by lance_5346
well, that's used. I was talking about the brand New ones.
not too many people bought it in the US as I was informed,coz not too many people payed attention to it.

As far as I remember, the 414x was released the same year as the TC3, anyone can confirm this? i didn't really keep track of when it was released, coz I hardly knew about it until it came in the mail.
who cares if its new or used ! Wrong! many people DID want the 414x many people were turned away from the 414x because tamiya ran out of supply! From this message it does seem that you know very little about the 414 series car. Just because you own one does not mean you now about them.:eek:

[lance_5346]

Hey man, don't get mad at me, I did say "AS I WAS INFORMED" did I? I never said I knew everything about it.:eek:

I'm just sharing WHAT I KNOW, that doesn't mean I'm right, you're free to disagree, but you cant' say I know less or I know nothing just because you're right, lighten up man.:cool:

[Usagi]

Originally posted by lance_5346
Hey man, don't get mad at me, I did say "AS I WAS INFORMED" did I? I never said I knew everything about it.:eek:

I'm just sharing WHAT I KNOW, that doesn't mean I'm right, you're free to disagree, but you cant' say I know less or I know nothing just because you're right, lighten up man.:cool:
wait a minute little guy look at what you wrote before it appear that you know alot about the 414x. Thats why I wrote what i did.

[lance_5346]

did you read the part where I said "AS FAR AS I KNOW"?

Show me in any of my post where I said I,in anyway say that I was sure of what I'm saying about the HISTORY of the 414X.

If you're talking about my post before that issue where I stated my claim on the "THINNED" and the "BLUE ED." issue, those are personal comparisons of the cars.

to clear things up with you, I DO NOT KNOW THE COMPLETE HISTORY OF THE SERIES, the things I said about the TRF414X are peices of things that I ONLY HEARD.

besides, we are here to share right?

[Usagi]

NEVER MIND if you can`t see it forget it. Move on.

[M 5]

lance_5346, Sure we're here to share..... do you know the difference for 414M and 414M2 ?

Thanks ! ! !

[Interceptor]

(Doing Snoopy dance) I'm getting a 414MII!!!!!

[Usagi]

Originally posted by Interceptor
(Doing Snoopy dance) I'm getting a 414MII!!!!!
you lucky dog you!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!:D

[lance_5346]

Originally posted by M 5
lance_5346, Sure we're here to share..... do you know the difference for 414M and 414M2 ?

Thanks ! ! !

Don't ask me, I might just give you a "dumb statement" like what MASTER usagi said about my reply.

Rather, why not ask usagi, he seems to know everything.

[Usagi]

Originally posted by lance_5346


Don't ask me, I might just give you a "dumb statement" like what MASTER usagi said about my reply.

Rather, why not ask usagi, he seems to know everything.
get over it! and move on.

[Interceptor]

In the words of Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along?"

Right now yall's main concern is helping me to get this thing straight and race ready for the TCS race in Maryland. :-)

I should have the car in two weeks, now I have to equip it. What tires should I run? Any one been to the Maryland track?

[Usagi]

Whats the going price for over there?

[Interceptor]

Mine is coming from Hong Kong, paid 295 shipped thanks to a slight error with another order, so they discounted it and covered the shipping.

[Usagi]

Originally posted by Interceptor
Mine is coming from Hong Kong, paid 295 shipped thanks to a slight error with another order, so they discounted it and covered the shipping.

oh thats great

[spenzalii]

You're coming to MD? If I'm not mistaken, they run the TCS in a parking lot behind the mall, though I can't remember which HobbyWorks is sponsering it, the one in Laurel or Rockville. Of I find out, I'll let you know. Otherwise, call the shop. They are quite helpful.

[pkny]

... this may seem like an off topic question but do you think $40 for a set of ta04-pro type B - tires is a good deal?? they come in a set of 4, with wheels and hard inserts?

[Interceptor]

The track in Laurel is the one running it. I talked to Rob. He was very helpful. Apparently, it is a small technical track. I guess I need more low end punch than top speed. Any reccommendations? I was considering a p94 11 dbl. Any gears ideas?

[Interceptor]

Ok, I ordered a Pure Gold 12 turn dbl. I guess now I ned to figure out gearing. what is the math on that again? and what it the final gear ratio of the 414MII? Thanks for putting up with my barrage of questions guys :-)

[wyd]

I ran at Laurel 2 weeks ago with my new EVO2 that I bought used. More than likely you will run Tamiya type A's on the track. I used them last weekend in stock. I also won the TCS race in GT1 a few years ago with my DJ car and I also had A's on it. I even lapped David Jun in one of the heats and also in the A Main.

Mod is fun their but you need good brakes. The track normally has alot of off angles like rounded corners and lots of angles running towards and away from you. Kinda hard to drive if you are not use to driving towards you. They also have parking lines on the asphalt which make it hard to follow your car and watch the track at the same time. They use firehouse to lay the track out so you can understand how they get alot of off angle corners.

Pretty fun and tricky to race on their layouts that Casey dreams up. A 12 double should be more than enough to make you fast. Handling and driving is way more important at this track than speed.

[Interceptor]

I asked about this in the TA04 forum, but I was looking at a pictures of the 414, can the chassis use saddle packs if I remove the battery holder? Just tape them in? My side by side packs won't fit in the holder.

[Babblefish]

Originally posted by Interceptor
I asked about this in the TA04 forum, but I was looking at a pictures of the 414, can the chassis use saddle packs if I remove the battery holder? Just tape them in? My side by side packs won't fit in the holder.

Yes, but you have to remove the small battery holder mounting "ears" on the CF chassis first. Tamiya provides slots for hold-down straps when using saddle packs.

[JimmyMac]

Hey Interceptor! What's up! I might be goin up there with you for the TCS race. Anyways...... Question about the TCS races. Not too familiar with the rules except you have to run Tamiya parts and tires. I know the 414 was just approved to run in the TCS races. But is that only with the battery holders? Would it become illegal if I were to do the saddle pack configuration on the 414? Would like to know before I get one and "nub" it. Well thanks for any replies! :)

Jimmy Mac

[Interceptor]

I'm gonna be really pissed if I just dremeled the nubs on my chassis for saddle pack for nothing. All of the rules are at www.tamiyausa.com

Look under the TCS page, it has the rules, which I am going to read right now... My understanding is that the 414 is only allowed in the GT1 class, which is modified, so I hope the battery doesn't matter

[Interceptor]

Except for the GT1 class, it is strictly forbidden to cut, mill or lighten the chassis. It is strictly forbidden to re-engineer or modify the cars in any way other than with Tamiya Hop-Ups.

-Whew, guess I should learn to read before I start hacking things apart. Above is a direct quote from the rules on the web site. Since we will be running in GT1, we can cut. :D

[Interceptor]

Curiosity question, what are torque rods, and what do they do? How should I adjust these?

[JimmyMac]

Yeah, I went to their website after my other post and read the rules. So what's a good Tamiya body to get? I've heard the Ferrari 360 Modena was good. Hmmmm, this is gonna cost alot! hehe... Tires too huh... wonder if the hobby shop will have them?

[Interceptor]

You can email the shop at www.hobbyworks.com Somewhere on there is a conteact email. They have been very helpful. We need Type A tires, yokomo white non replusive insert or HPI soft molded insert (I'm gonna wait to pick those up at their shop) and I picked up a Mercedes DTM body. I asked thm about gearing, Here is a cut and paist of his answer, I am still baffled by it, maybe you can help decifer it, I never was a math whiz...

12 turn motor, you will need a rollout of about 22 - 24 mm,
that is
tire size in mm x 3.14= A
Spur gear divided by pinion= B

Then divide A by B= C

Then divide C by internal ratio, for your car 2.1

ex. tire 63 mm x 3.14 = 197.82
Spur ( 120 ) divide by pinion ( 35 ) = 3.42
197.82 divided by 3.42 = 57.84
57.84 divided by 2.1 = 27.5 mm rollout
This is a good gear for a stock motor.
Run about 3-5 teeth less on the pinion for this 12 turn.

Looks like maybe I need a 30 tooth pinion, is that right?

[Interceptor]

Well, I am almost done with my 414. The chassis is mostly complete. I dremeled the battery slots so I can run saddle packs. It seemed like the best way to balance out the load. The qualilty of these thing is just as I have come to expect from Tamiya, excellent.

This this looks fast just sitting there.
:D

Only problem I have had is that I forgot to place the spacers under the front arm mount, and when I tried to take the screws out, one of them stripped out. I can't cut it with the dremel with out cutting the chassis. I guess I'll have to drill the screw and back it out with a easy out. Maybe they make titanium screws? Will the spacers make a huge difference if I can't get them in?

I can't wait to pull the trigger on this car.

Oh, another question, the shock kit only has a 3 hole piston. Should I use this or use a 2 hole from the stock shock kit?

Thanks for putting up with my gleeful ramblings, I'm going to bed now :-)

[JimmyMac]

Where can I get some real good pics of these TCS races and cars that have won? I'm still wondering on the exact rules. Any Roar stock or Ball Bearing Mod motor. Does this now mean 10turn limit? I'm still also wondering about the saddle pack issue with the 414 M2. Anyways, I ordered my 414 and it'll be here this Friday! :D I also got 2 sets tuning springs to go with it. I'll be looking for a good Tamiya Body to go with it along with a Stratus 2.0. One question, are the supplied gears 64 pitch? Anyways, thanks for the help...

[Interceptor]

As far as I read it, the saddle pack is perfectly legal as long as you run in the GT1 class. Tower has several tamiya bodies. And RCCA had a article about 3-4 issues back on a TCS race. The winner ran a Ferrari body, and won with a 414. So you going to MD?

[Interceptor]

Hey, what is the best way to go about setting the droop on this car? what tool do I need?

[Babblefish]

Originally posted by Interceptor
Only problem I have had is that I forgot to place the spacers under the front arm mount, and when I tried to take the screws out, one of them stripped out. I can't cut it with the dremel with out cutting the chassis. I guess I'll have to drill the screw and back it out with a easy out. Maybe they make titanium screws?

I had the same stripped screw problem with my 414. I removed them by using a 1/8" drill bit and drilling the screw head just far enough to where the screw head separated from the threaded portion. You can now separate the parts and once you do, the remaining part of the screw will be sticking out and can be removed by grabbing it with a pair of pliers (it'll be loose - unless you used threadlock on it). I replace the original screws with cross-head (phillips) stainless steel screws. Works much better.

[JimmyMac]

Okay, now lets see. I might be goin but not sure yet. I guess the race is one day (Sunday.) It's also the same day as my Chapel Hill race. I don't really want to miss out because I'm in the points lead in both Mod and Stock. I'm only 3 points ahead in Mod. So missing out would be painful to me. But then again, this is TCS we are talking about! Anyways, I just sold one of my TC3's. So that should cover the cost of a Tamiya body, and some A compound tires. Anyone know what's the difference between A and B? Meaning, which is Hard and which is Soft? Plus I'll need to get some Tamiya oil as well. According to the internet, it'll be a 5 hour drive for me. So looking at staying there Saturday and Sunday night. I guess I could take a vacation day from work Monday. I'll let you know as time goes on. Anyways, waiting on my kit for Friday!! :D I guess I'll saddle up too!

Jimmy Mac

[izzyracer]

Originally posted by pkny
... this may seem like an off topic question but do you think $40 for a set of ta04-pro type B - tires is a good deal?? they come in a set of 4, with wheels and hard inserts?

It's not bad but they can do better, I got them one time for under $20 at E-bay...but they run upto $50.00 and up at Hobby stores.:o

[JimmyMac]

OKay, after reading Tower Hobbies descriptions, I found out that the A compound is for warm weather (softer) and the B compound is for hot weather (firmer.) Now the question will be in insert choice. I'll more than likely go with Yokomo firms. But might also try the mediums as well. Too bad we can't just race with Take-Offs. :( Oh well. Anyways, gonna look more into what I'll need for the TCS race. I've already registored online. I guess that means I'm goin. :D

Jimmy Mac

[JimmyMac]

Okay, got my kit today. Very nice. Very easy to build. I finished it already. But I have one problem. I was missing some items in the kit!!! :mad: :mad: How can I finish the kit without these parts you might ask? Well it was for the shocks. So now I have to contact the place where I ordered it and ask about it. Not sure where I'm gonna get them. But I need them for the TCS race. I'm sure they won't let me race with TC3 shocks! So Interceptor, I dunno if I'll be goin without these parts. We'll see when/if I get them. Nice kit though. Not as user friendly as a TC3 or XXX-S. But very high quality. Sucks though missing those parts. Anyone else have this trouble?? Well let me go to bed.... gonna have to fit my TC3 shocks tomorrow...

Jimmy Mac

[Babblefish]

Originally posted by KilRuf
Okay, got my kit today. Very nice. Very easy to build. I finished it already. But I have one problem. I was missing some items in the kit!!! :mad: :mad: How can I finish the kit without these parts you might ask? Well it was for the shocks. So now I have to contact the place where I ordered it and ask about it. Not sure where I'm gonna get them. But I need them for the TCS race. I'm sure they won't let me race with TC3 shocks! So Interceptor, I dunno if I'll be goin without these parts. We'll see when/if I get them. Nice kit though. Not as user friendly as a TC3 or XXX-S. But very high quality. Sucks though missing those parts. Anyone else have this trouble?? Well let me go to bed.... gonna have to fit my TC3 shocks tomorrow...

Jimmy Mac

My kit went together fairly easily and nothing was missing. Sorry to hear you had problems - quite unusual for a Tamiya kit. What parts were missing for your shocks?

[Interceptor]

Hmm... Only touble I had was those bottom screws that stripped out. I drilled those out last night and replaced them. Now I have the proper amount of kick up with the spacers installed.

WHat parts were you missing? IF I have a spare, you are welcome to it, plus the hobby shop that runs the race carrys tamiya parts, you could call them and see if they have it.

My car actually came with a full set of spare hinge pins. I was pretty happy about that.

I have my car geared with 64 pitch 120 spur 29 pinion with a 12 turn motor. ANyone know if that if over or under geared? I'll adjust it when I get up there, but I need a ball park to start out with. I don't want to smoke anything.

[JimmyMac]

Mine had the spare hinge pins too along with hubs and carriers. Maybe thats where they messed up. The part number is 53334. There are 4 of these parts trees. One for each shock. It's the plastic shocks ends and pistons and shock sleeves. Mine had nada. Zippo. I keep looking into my box a million times. Under the table about a million times. No it's not there or anywhere. But just hoping they'd magically appear. But nope.... :mad: I'm gonna have to order them. Only like $5. I'll just order them with my Modena body and spring kit that I never got. Plus the tires. I'll get them next week.

But the kit was great. Went together very easy and quick! Perhaps the quickest kit I've built yet. Nuttin to it. One question. I know the kit says 04pitch gears. But is that the same as 64pitch? They seem to mesh just about right. But not too sure. Anyways, time to cut up my batteries! :( L8Rz

Jimmy Mac

[Babblefish]

Originally posted by KilRuf
One question. I know the kit says 04pitch gears. But is that the same as 64pitch? They seem to mesh just about right. But not too sure. Anyways, time to cut up my batteries! :( L8Rz

Jimmy Mac

They are not exactly the same as 64 pitch, but they're awfully close. I was going to try mixing the two, but haven't gotten around to it yet.

[JimmyMac]

Thanks. I figured that. I keep messing with my 04 spur and one of my 40 tooth 64pitch pinions and it meshes, but not perfect like the 04pitch 40 tooth pinion that it comes with. Awefully damn close though. I thought it was just me. Guess not this time! :D Thanks again.

[Interceptor]

I just test drove my 414. OH...MY...GOD... this thing is blazing fast. I can pull the trigger and ease into the throttle, then nail it, and spin all 4 tires on a rolling start. I gotta figure out how to slow down with out spinning out though. Hopefully I can get to work painting my body this week. I scratched the bottom of the car, crap. Guess that is unavoidible though. I think I HAVE to get the stuffer springs. the Yellows just aren't cutting it.

[Interceptor]

AARRGH!!!!!!

I just totally screwed up my #$%@#@ body!!!!!!!!!

The paint job was horrid

I screwed up the #$%# mounting holes

and the #$%$# thing is sitting in the garbage now, not even cut out.

Damn I hate waisting money like that. I guess all I can do now is buy a body in MD and paint it at the hotel. I wish Tamiya would have made the 414 body posts the same as the other cars. I have never been able to get the holes right, and the wheel wells never line up right. For some reason, the stupid body never lines up the same lower as it does sitting on top of the mounts. AARRRG!!!:mad: :mad:

[JimmyMac]

Trim the posts so that the body sits level above the car/ground about an inch or more. Then mark the holes and drill them. Then mount the body and mark out the wheel wells. Never cut out the wheel wells without mounting your body first! Which body was it? My Ferarri Modena will arrive tomorrow. I'm gonna run my 414 in both Mod and Stock at Chapel Hill this Sunday to get used to it and learn to tune it with the Modena Body. I'll save my Protoform Stratus til after the TCS race.

You gonna show up at Chapel Hill and get some runtime with your car Interceptor? It would be a good idea! Plus I might take mine to Virginia Beach next Saturday and get some more lessons with it. See if it does as good as my TC3. Anyways, all my stuff is coming tomorrow. Only thing I'll need are A compound tires. I have the inserts and Tamiya 0 offset dish rims. Oh damn, forgot, what motor I should run up there.. hmmmmmm I'll bring my 19turn if the track is small enough. If it's kinda big, then I'll run my 10turn. If it's too much I'll tune it down and use throttle control. Well let me go cut up some more batteries......

Jimmy Mac

[Interceptor]

I would lik to get some run time in, but I don't think I can afford the gas. I have to work at the sheriffs dept for the next 2 saturdays, and that is about an hour each way. I'll have to let you know if I can make it. Plus, I can't afford to wear my tires out before the race.

[JimmyMac]

What? Only an hour? Sheesh, I drive more than that just to get there. :p That's cool though. I'm surprised you don't have any tires left over from your TC3 and Race City. Foams are the way to go out there. But I can drive just as fast as others here with my rubbers. I think foams knock off about .5 on my lap times. At least comparing the last 2 races. 18 laps with Foams, 17 laps last race with rubbers.

Anyways, just got my Modena body in. Plus my shock parts to "complete" my kit. I'll post pictures later after I paint the body. I decided to mount my receiver ontop of the servo instead of next to the ESC (even though I have plenty of room.) Anyone experience any glitching mounting it there?

Any parking lot setup tips? I plan on trying Blue springs front, Yellow Rear. #700 oil all around. Not sure on sway bars yet. Any suggestions for parking lot track? Large highspeed with semi technical turns. Plan on running Takeoff CS27s.

Well let me go build my shocks!

[Interceptor]

Yeah, I gave my foam tires to the guy who bought my TC3, didn't think I would be racing again. Stupid me. My money is really tight this month, and I have to watch every gallon of gas. The o2 sensor in my van is shot, so it guzzles gas on long trips. I have to put one in next week when I tune it up. I am going to try to get an Altezza body, I looked it up on tower and it says it has marking for all the tamiya cars, not holes. My Mercedes looks like ass. I can't beleive I screwed that up so bad. You going to run the one ways?

[Interceptor]

Well, cange of plans, I guess I have some money freed up, so maybe I will come practice with you guys. Are you racing this weekend?

[JimmyMac]

I'll try oneways since I like them. Plus I'm gonna turn my brakes down to like 20~30% Maximum. See how that does. Why not try a Modena body? Seems to be a good handling body for the TCS. Anyways, I haven't mounted my body yet. I messed with it alittle though. I flipped rear body posts around to the front side of the shock towers so now the rear holes on the body line up right with the rear wheels and wheel wells. Now I just have to line up the front posts and drill the holes.

Anyways, question. How do you change Rear Toe? Get new Hubs? Or get new Arm Mounts? Also, for things like kick and anti squat, it there a formula or chart for how many shims or mm equal 1°? Thanks...

Jimmy Mac

[TRF_EVO2]

guys guys are any 414m2 parts compatible with the evo2!!???

[Interceptor]

Truth be told, I really don't like the new Ferrari, or the new Lamborgini, blah:D

I like the vette, altezza, and the mecedes better.

[Babblefish]

Just thought I'd share some pictures of my 414MII. Haven't really beaten it up yet, but from the little I've driven it, I can tell it handles better than my TA04-R. My apologies to those with slow connections (like me!).

http://home.earthlink.net/~wjang/_uimages/MiscPhotos/414frontlores.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~wjang/_uimages/MiscPhotos/414rearlores.jpg
http://home.earthlink.net/~wjang/_uimages/MiscPhotos/414mustanglores.jpg

Notice the front and rear shock mounts...
Haven't gotten around to cutting the body posts yet.
Most of the screws have been replaced with stainless steel.
The motor is a Trinity Midnight 2 Pro which I may replace with an MVP.
The steering servo is a Hitec 225MG which required drilling a new mounting hole in the lower chassis plate.

[Interceptor]

Interesting, what did you remove the front shock tower? How does it handle? what surface are you running on?

[Babblefish]

Originally posted by Interceptor
Interesting, what did you remove the front shock tower? How does it handle? what surface are you running on?

I'm assuming you're asking why I removed the front shock tower. It was no longer needed since the upper mounting points of the shocks no longer go there. I haven't driven it extensively yet, but so far it feels very "planted", precise and neutral. I run on asphalt parking lot surfaces.

[Interceptor]

That mustang body looks great.

BTW, what is your ride height?

[Babblefish]

Thanks!
The ride height is 5mm in front and 6mm in the rear.

[Interceptor]

Hey Kilruf, I found a Ramada Inn that has a room with 2 beds for around 55.80 a night. How does that sound? Any idea when you are going to head up yet?


Bill

[tarheelquality]

Kilruf,
Where did you get you MII from and how much was it? I think one would go nicely with my EvoII.:D

[JimmyMac]

Sounds good Interceptor. Not too sure yet though because I get off of work Friday afternoon. So I was planning on heading up there early Saturday getting there around Noonish. I think if I tried to head up Friday after work, I'd be running into all the traffic heading up i95. Are you leaving Sunday or Monday morning after the race?

Tarheel, got my 414M2 from SpeedTechRC.com for about $275. They also carry parts for it as well. They do good business. I also bought my Yokomo MR4-TC Special from them last year. Along with many other things since. The guy that runs it also posts on the RCtech.net page. Bets the $400+ that Tower is asking for it!! But Tower does have certain parts that fit the 414.

Anyways, I finished up my 414 and my Modena Body. I have my backup ESC in there since I fried my GM V12xc. I'm using my Tekin G-10 right now. I have a Quantum Comp on the way. Well let me head out. Take it easy guys!

Jimmy Mac

[ShinHed]

Originally posted by ruf


That's not the only thing that makes it look newbie... :lol:

If you plan on racing that thing, try the following:

1) Get a real servo. The Hitec 225MG is very prone to frying it's motor. I've gone through 4 of them in the past on random projects. Hitec has great service, but I'd rather have a great servo and not have to exercise the warranty claim. It also does not have the torque or precision for use in a 4wd sedan of this caliber.

2) Get a real body. The HPI Mustang is horrible. Period. As ugly as they are, get a Stratus of some sort and paint/sticker it like another car. If your sanctioning body doesn't care, and you must have a Ford, try the GT40.

3) Get one more pair of real wheels/tires. You now own one of the most balanced 4wd sedans ever made. It would be a shame if your compromised that handling in the effort to make it resemble a muscle car by using differential width tires. The X-patterns are a great tire for parking lot, but stick to 24-26mm.

4) Unless you absolutely need to run them, please ditch the stick packs. Those old powerpole connectors aren't helping either.

5) Stand up your shocks. That angle may look cool, but you now have a rising rate suspension. If you are indeed racing on parking lot surfaces (loose), that will compromise your traction at the limits. The white springs don't help either seeing as they are pretty stiff. This should lead to the front end washing out mid-corner if not immediately upon turn-in. I can't tell what rear springs you are running, but judging by the wire diameter and coil separation, they look pretty soft. It appears to me that you've set your car up to push deep into a corner and powerslide on exit. This may look cool, but your corner speed will be compromised and your speed through the infield will be much slower.

6) Then cut your body posts.

Honestly, if you're not racing, none of this matters. Enjoy it. I think that you'll find that a lot of us think it's a shame to purchase such a potent racing chassis as the 414M2 and not set it up accordingly.
;)

[Babblefish]

ShinHed;

LOL! Yeah, I read that on the other forum. Some people live in their own little worlds were everything has to be done a certain way, usually their way or a way they're used to. He makes a lot of assumptions (mostly wrong) about why I did what I did, but hey, to each their own eh? Luckily for me, I like to experiment and do things a little bit different. I appreciated his comments though. For now, my car handles just fine and doesn't exhibit any of the bad traits that he's so sure it has - go figure. I'll be removing the one-way and replacing it with a ball diff though. The track I race on is usually pretty technical and isn't really suited for a one-way. I also recently tested a set of Medial Pros and really like them; great tires. A couple of racing buddies have switched over themselves. For now, I'm just out to have fun. If I happen to win a race, then well, that's just a side benefit and not the reason I race. Peace. :)

[ShinHed]

If it feels good to you then, it's right:)

[Interceptor]

anyone have any set up tips for running on concrete?

[Interceptor]

FYI, RC Car magazine has a write up on the 414m2 and the worlds race, and the winning 414. Pretty good issue, check it out.

[Usagi]

What ever works for you is whats important :D
Enjoy!

[JimmyMac]

Don't forget also that Xtreme and R/C Car Mag also has/had the 414 as well. Count down is coming for my first ever TCS race! :) I figure since it has to be a Roar legal motor, I'm gonna use my Orion Core Touring 10x1. Was hoping to get to use my Reedy Ti 8x2.... but I'll save that for my last points race next month. Hmmm now I have to figure gearing for a 10turn on my 414... figuring 120/35 or 34. Sound about right? Anyways, let me get back to work on my car. Just got my Quantum in today. So gotta take out my backup ESC and pop this one in! Also gotta finish cleaning out my bearings. There's a snot load of packing grease in them puppies!! Sheeshhhh, all that damn friction! L8Rz

[yellafella321]

does the 414m use metric or standard screws...also what sizes? I want to get a 414m...and maybe some harcore titanium screws along with that...what sizes would I need?

[RC-ZOMBIES]

Originally posted by yellafella321
does the 414m use metric or standard screws...also what sizes? I want to get a 414m...and maybe some harcore titanium screws along with that...what sizes would I need?

It's made in Japan...thus is all metric. :)

[ShinHed]

:eek:

[ShinHed]

:rolleyes:

[Cube]

Is that a plastic outdrive?

[RC-ZOMBIES]

Originally posted by ShinHed
:rolleyes:

It's a very strong plastic called Delrin.

like some expensive kitchen knives... the handles are made of Delrin.

[yellafella321]

the 414mII doesn't come with wheels or tires right?

ANyone else have any stories on the screws?

[izzyracer]

Originally posted by Cube
Is that a plastic outdrive?
The plastic outdrives are very strong and light making the car very efficient, I have notice some gain speeds with mine after swithching.

[izzyracer]

Originally posted by yellafella321
the 414mII doesn't come with wheels or tires right?

ANyone else have any stories on the screws?

Yes, the Shurken (spellcheck?) Edition and the U.S. version red box does not come with wheels and tires. However a limited number of memorial chassis edition comes with, Sorex tires, Tamiya dish wheels, hard type inserts, Special tools, and lightweight blue rear dogbones.

The screw that comes with the Shurken edition are titanium!

[yellafella321]

oh, i would just the normal red box us version...r the screws still bad on those?

[CarterTG]

Hey all,
I've been following this thread with envy and have been enjoying the progress of a friend's TRF-414MII. I have a few questions to ask:

1. The turnbuckles have an odd-sized adjustment nut. The current wrenches like those from HPI do not fit. Does anyone know the proper sized tool to use? If it's a special Tamiya tool, is there a part number available?

2. Since it sounds like the Shurken version has titanium screws, are there Tamiya part numbers for these as well?

I spent yesterday afternoon timing his car through digital camcorder footage. Once up to speed, it covered a 63 foot marker point in 29 frames. Some conversion math reveals that this puppy is doing a verified 44.4mph!

This is with a 9-turn SpeedGem Pro, LRP 7.1, and a partially charged 3000mAH NiMH. Amazing stuff.

[Interceptor]

After looking at the car from the worlds, and having to adjust my stock turnbuckles with a set of needlenose pliers, I am simply going to replace them with some Lunsford Titanium turnbuckles. Same with the screws. I have already stripped two screws on the bottom on mine, and had to drill them out. That gets old quick.

[yellafella321]

can you say what size screws those are on the bottom that keep stripping out, so i can order some hardcore titanium ones when i order my kit.

[JimmyMac]

How do you strip them out? I don't get it?! :confused: hehe, I dunno, are you using a good wrench? I use Integy ones. Are you over tightening them? Titanium sounds good though. Howz the car coming along Interceptor?

[Interceptor]

Car is doing good, just waiting until I can afford a new motor and tires. I still haven't had the time or money to race. And I can't find anything to stick to concrete anymore, they stopped making the Jaco Yellows.

I'm not sure how I stripped them. Its been the same type screws, two of the ones on the bottom. I'm not craking them down, just snugging them good. I'm using the tool kit I got from tower for free. IT isn't the best, but it has been very useful. I do need some better tools. Once again, money. Hopefully next month I can order one of Kartruns GM3s and go smoke the guys in rock hill (not likely, but it has been known to happen occassionally) I just need to get the car to stick. Any tips for dusty concrete? I'm thinking about the sedan hawgs from proline.

[ShinHed]

Item 49258 TRF414 FRONT STABILIZER (World Champion Replica Version)

http://www.kt.rim.or.jp/~hirofact/HOME.html

[Interceptor]

Well, raced for the first time friday night with the 414. THe one ways had to go. My 04 donated the center pulley and front diff, so hopefully I can go out saturday and see how it does. My rear end kept coming around on me if I coasted through the turn, but would stick if I powered through. Hopefully the front dif will help drap the car through the turns now, and I can get down to really trying to win.

Over all, my first impressions were good. The car is plenty fast ( I ran a new Core Stock). The saddle pack thing was a bit annoying, and my pack came loose once and scraped up a few cells that I have to re shrink wrap. While I tore the car down to replace the diffs, I rewired some things to give me alittle more space to work in.

Question, is there any kind of shield I can get and use to cover the dif? Dirt gets in there like crazy. The rear dif is already feeling gritty.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Any car with an open diff housing is bound to attract dirt matter what... but hey orange you glad i didnt say banana!?!?!:p

[JimmyMac]

Are you kidding me Interceptor? Putting diffs in the car for Stock Class?!!! hehe. I don't know why in the H#LL you'd want to put diffs in there. But hey, thats you I guess. I guess you just have to know about oneways to understand that that's how you get the car to hook around a turn... by letting off just enough for the rear to kick around. If I were you, I'd give the oneways a try again but add alittle forward roll at neutral throttle via adjustment on the radio. This is a trick for stock class to get some extra corner speed. I think you just need to learn to drive it before giving up on it. Diffs are okay, but oneways are faster. Now if you said Mod class, then yeah I might understand. But stock?

Hmmmmm As for the diffs, I'd say the same thing as what TA03 said. It's not a car to take lightly. It's a racers car. But anyhow, I have heard of people cutting out some thin lexan to place in the diffs to "help" keep dirt out/in. :p Other than that... not much you can do but rebuild diffs once they get "gritty."

Sorry, just giving you a hard time! :D But you should reconsider the oneway deal. You said it yourself... the car would stick if you powered through!!!!!! hint hint... Hey! When you coming down to Durham!!!!!!

[Interceptor]

Hey hey hey, I wanna see you run on this track. Very little traction, It is concrete, and more technical turns than high speed turns. I'm not gona get around the turn any faster if I loose it everytime. Beleive me, one ways don't work on this track. Period. I'm not the only one to try. I know I need to learn how to use them, but I have to have a place that they will work first. Now if I ever start going to the other SC track, it is pretty high speed. I'll stick to my difs :-)

[JimmyMac]

Hmmmm, I'd disagree with ya... but that's just me. :D Would love to run down there, but not until the turnout is big enough. Foams allowed there? Why not brake before the turn and yank right through it (slow in/fast out)? If your car spins out when you brake... then you have a tweak/balance issue. Your car shouldn't spin out during straight line braking. At least mine don't. And if the track is as technical as you say, then you should be just partial throttling it through the turns. I dunno. I'm just still stuck on you saying that your car spins out when you let off and sticks when you get on the throttle. That tells me there IS traction there, you just have to find it. Hmmmmm wish I was there! Sounds like a great tuning challenge! Oh well, I guess in your case, diffs will be the way. Hmmm slippery track.... lay your shocks all the way in. Lighten your oil to say 30wt. Tamiya Red springs (softest). Raise your camber links front and rear by adding some spacers under them on the bulkheads. NOO sway bars. Hmmm 0 anti-squat rear..... Hmmm the rest, I'd have to know if it pushes into the turn... or spins out into the turn... or spins out... Try some of them..... Hmmmmmm sounds interesting though....

Jimmy Mac

[JimmyMac]

Oh yeah, and increase droop front and rear....

[Interceptor]

Yep, foams are allowed, but they don't work. Keep in mind that I'm not the best driver in the world, so I won't be as good a driver as the more experienced guys... yet. I didn't know what was going on on the carpet, but I figured it out, and I started to run right behind the fast guys, the place just closed before I could catch em!

I'll try some of the things you said. I think I will go up there This coming monday and just try to tune my car. I'll get it figured out soon enough. Oh, and the best driver there just set the track record for touring stock last Friday, 31 laps at just a tap over 6 minutes. The kid is good.

[jannef]

Hi,
I know this is not a board for this type of question ,but I have an ESC named TEKIN 411p and I wonder if anyone knows if I can use it with this type of car and what motor limit it have?

Cheers / Jannef

[InsaneRc]

Jimmy was hoping you could help me out with setup. My cars real loose in the turns and spins out I've tryed removing (:( ) the one ways to gain control and it only help a little. I race stock on low tracktion dusty tracks (Hobbytown & Stream Hobbies)

[CarterTG]

Sorry if this is old news, but spotted these two items at the Chicago Hobby show...

[CarterTG]

...a ride-height guage...

[JimmyMac]

Insane, what tires are you using? With this weather, I hope it's the Takeoff CS27's. Hmmm setup, well the setup I used for Hobbytown was posted. But anyhow, what I did was raise the rear camber link on the bulk head with the remaining spacers (total spacers are 4mm). Plus rear camber to -1.5 instead of -1. Front is still -1 camber. Big thing is to remove the amount of steering from your radio (dualrates). This helps alot!! Right now if my lock to lock was 100% dualrates... then mine is currently 60%. Also you can adjust your throttle trim on the radio so that your car barely rolls forward when you are at neutral throttle. Also, don't let off completely in the turns, with oneways, this will spin out the rear end. Let off halfway. Take the turn wide and cut in goin on the throttle as you exit the turn. Just some things to try. My car was awesome at Hobbytown... Could have used some fine tuning, but it was enough to win. You could also weaken the rear sway bar or take it off. Try that... :D Lighter oil too.

Jimmy Mac

[InsaneRc]

Thanks Jimmy I'll try that this weekend at HobbyTown (Newport News) I'll let you know how it goes.
Garry

[FROGSTER]

i can't wait to get my 414.i've been running the xxxs with soso success then i drove a friends 414 and can you sat sweeeeeet:D
his car was strapped,i only ran it for a couple of laps but i was real sattisfied with the way the car handled,i could never get my xxxs to handle that well and keep good speed.

[JimmyMac]

Well did some tire testing today at out new local asphalt track. I think... but not sure... but I think I just stretched my front belt. I had to add a big spacer (3mm) under my belt tensioner... But it's still loose. Oh well, looks like I'll have to race my TC3 until I get my new belt. Damn... and I just ordered something from Speedtech the other night!! They even have a sale on the 414M2 there... I think it's like $265 now this month. Anyhow, the car was hooked up pretty good. Even with oneways and my Orion 10x3. Ran pretty good. Alot depends on how you enter a corner with oneways... well it all depends on how you enter a corner, but more so with oneways... yeah... it was fun while it lasted.... :(

[Interceptor]

Well, I just astarted my part time job, so maybe pretty soon I can make it down there and you can teach me about the one ways. I'm dying to race again.

[ShinHed]

Looking for 414 Parts
I need any 414 (414 not M, X, M2, etc) I can get, in primo condition.

PM me, lets talk.
http://utenti.lycos.it/reggioemiliarcteam/414_0.jpg

[crono man]

ok correct me if im wrong but their actually two TRF414m2 kits..

1.is the EXACT replica of the world champion

2.the other one is the production version that we see on the tamiyausa website

if this is the case then what are the differences between the two(price,performance,parts etc)

thanks for any input:D

[TRI-TURBO]

TRF414M2
Standered 414M2 comes with no body
http://www.tamiya.com/english/products/49220trf414m_cm/top.jpg

World Replca 414M2
-comes with a stratus body
-re-invented suspension geometry
-same setup as the IFMAR 414M2
-costs alot more since its a "Collecters" item
http://www.tamiya.com/japan/products/49255trf414m_wcr/top.jpg
http://www.tamiya.com/japan/products/49255trf414m_wcr/plate.jpg

[crono man]

hey thanks alot tri-turbo i was kind off mixed up on that one:D

[Justo]

Does the regular version come with tyres, inserts and wheels?

The webiste says it does, but a review I've read says it doesn't.

[synapse75]

no, it doesnt..
i just got mine today and got most of it put together..
all you get is the chassis..
ive owned many sedans and this one is very impressive and the build quality is amaizing.. you would never guess its a tamiya :D
till you get to a step with a flimzy plastic tree atleast... deffinitely looks like it was purposely intended for racing...

Question..
is there an adavantage to the way the front swaybar is mounted on the world champion edition?
are there any other major changes?

thanks
jason

[synapse75]

the regular M2 almost seems like a revision of the WC car... it seems to make more sense to mee to rout the swaybar lower and in front of the bulkhead... but somebody above stated the the WC car has revised suspension geometry..

just thinking out loud..

[wyd]

If your swaybar setup is like the Yoke when the sway mounts off the topdeck you will get more steering coming out of the turn and if mounted down around the A arms like the 04's then you should get more steering turning in. At least that is what my Yoke directions tell you. Maybe this will help you out.

[JimmyMac]

Having owned a Yok I've thought of that as well with the sway bars. Seems pretty interesting though.

[black-knight]

Originally posted by synapse75
no, it doesnt..
i just got mine today and got most of it put together..
all you get is the chassis..
ive owned many sedans and this one is very impressive and the build quality is amaizing.. you would never guess its a tamiya :D
till you get to a step with a flimzy plastic tree atleast... deffinitely looks like it was purposely intended for racing...

Question..
is there an adavantage to the way the front swaybar is mounted on the world champion edition?
are there any other major changes?

thanks
jason

re: M2 WCR changes,

1 & 2. the sway bar is up top because the cars roll center much lower than the std M2, so this resulted in the sway no longer fitting down on the lower arm. So the sway has been relocated to the top deck.

3. All bulkheads have been milled out, reducing the weight of the car.

4. some material has been removed from arms as a result of the roll center changes.

5. alloy one way on layshaft.



6. titanium screws and turnbuckles

[synapse75]

is there any place in the states that imports or sells this chassis
http://www2u.biglobe.ne.jp/%7Ekmodels/414mkailimited.htm

im also interested in a top mount belt tensioner like the one in the pic... if i cant find one i might make one, but i would be interested in trying the chassis...

what is the popular way for tensioning the belt.. i like to run the steering rack lower, but that hits the belt when tensioning the belt from the bottom

thanks
jason

[synapse75]

what do you guys use for shims to adjust the roll center.. it would be nice if somebody made slotted shims out of graph or alum..

[GoFaster]

Hey guys,


I have found a few places on the net that are cheap.

ultimatehobbies.com has it for 259

and

speedtechrc.com has it for 265. speedtech also has lots of hop-up parts available.

I still haven't amassed the funds or gotten my kitchen pass, but I hope I can purchase one of these soon. They rule at my local track.:)

[synapse75]

from what i have seen there arent really any hopups for the 414m2
Unless the TAO4 parts are interchangeable. That would allow you to use alum suspension parts.. i havent really seen anything that is more desireable over the stock parts on the M2..

i would really like to try the chassis that runs a stick pack down one side, but i can find any place to get one...

[dolemite]

HELLO IM NEW AT THIS I NEED HELP DECIDING WHICH TAMIYA KIT TO GET EITHER THE TB EVO II OR THE TRF414M WITH THE BLUE ALUMINUM ANY SUGESTIONS WILL HELP:confused:

[synapse75]

does anybody know where i could get a tam49258
worlds frontend..

[dolemite]

yeah speedtech thats where im planing on buying my 414m:cool:

[black-knight]

Originally posted by dolemite
HELLO IM NEW AT THIS I NEED HELP DECIDING WHICH TAMIYA KIT TO GET EITHER THE TB EVO II OR THE TRF414M WITH THE BLUE ALUMINUM ANY SUGESTIONS WILL HELP:confused:

i have a couple of the 414's (including the new 414WCR), they are a very nice kit, well balanced and easy to work on.

The advantage of a 414 i that many TA04 parts fit, like arms, diffs etc. The car is not legal for TCS though.

The TB Evo II or III is on my list of must haves, i think i'll wait to get an Evo III. I like the look of the car, should be fast like all shaft drives cars can be. I believe TB Evos are TCS legal.

Where i race in Australia parts for the TB Evo range is limited.

[dolemite]

where can i see some evo III pics at :)

[black-knight]

Originally posted by black-knight
i have a couple of the 414's (including the new 414WCR), they are a very nice kit, well balanced and easy to work on.

The advantage of a 414 i that many TA04 parts fit, like arms, diffs etc. The car is not legal for TCS though.

The TB Evo II or III is on my list of must haves, i think i'll wait to get an Evo III. I like the look of the car, should be fast like all shaft drives cars can be. I believe TB Evos are TCS legal.

Where i race in Australia parts for the TB Evo range is limited.

Here are some pics of the TB EVO III from the 2002 All Japan Hobby Show:

http://www.teamjoybox.com/hs02_tamiya.html

[synapse75]

wow, that sedan is sweet... so is that body..
does anybody know if that front bumper will screw onto a 414..

SO, does anybody know where i can get a worlds front end?

[black-knight]

Originally posted by synapse75
wow, that sedan is sweet... so is that body..
does anybody know if that front bumper will screw onto a 414..

SO, does anybody know where i can get a worlds front end?

www.speedtechrc.com

[synapse75]

i emailed them a few day ago inquiring about the part number, and i have not heard back from them.

[black-knight]

Originally posted by synapse75
i emailed them a few day ago inquiring about the part number, and i have not heard back from them.

well you could try Rainbow Ten: http://www.rainbowten.co.jp/english/index.html

[dolemite]

sweet evo III i might wait until it comes out:D
i dont have to worry about tcs since they dont run tamiya aroubd here all i see in dallas area are tc3,hpi,losi but i love tamiya cars so im the only one running tamiya

[synapse75]

rainbowten had them in stock,
only ran me 4600yen.
Good thing thats only about 37bux... :D

i had one backordered through greatplanes, but god knows when it would of actually got in..

[dolemite]

so wich one should i get evo III or trf 414 man!!!!!is a hard choice to make mainly the ta04 pro and the trf 414 the only difference is the aluminum parts is it or a my wrong :confused:

[black-knight]

on the 414 the bulheads, shock towers, chassis, hub carriers, are all different. (ta04 hubs and etc fit)

[ShinHed]

Originally posted by dolemite
so wich one should i get evo III or trf 414 man!!!!!is a hard choice to make mainly the ta04 pro and the trf 414 the only difference is the aluminum parts is it or a my wrong :confused:

I am waiting on the EvoIII (it seems as if Tamiya has made a worthwhile succesor to my TB-01). You can't lose with either (you know what I mean).


P.S
Dolemite is the man
http://www.shockingimages.com/dolemite/graphics/kung_fu.gif

[xxxkat]

Any one have a price on the evo III?And is it going to be any faster than the 414 around the track.Right now Im racing a Yokomo mr-4 special and its time for a new car,I thought I would get a 414 II but the evo III looks good. :D

[synapse75]

i think by design the yok sp is the best sedan there is. The center of gravity is substantially lower than any sedan i have seen to date. Suspension setup and geometry seems very comprehensive, and the steering seems to hold the tires true on tight corners with out any slop.

The sp was actualy my first choice for this indoor season, but i couldnt get my hands on one. Im very happy with the 414 and its amazing how much potential you can extract from it with minute adjustments, but i think the yok sp does a few things better.
Most obvious to me, is the lay shaft is beside the motor instead of above...

[J-racer]

Tamiya TRF414MII wins 1000 lap endurance race!

Once a year the MCRL modelclub from Lelystad in the Netherlands organizes an endurance race. It started out as a 4 hours race, but last year was changed to 800 laps. For this year they decided to turn in into an even more gruelling event by adding another 200 laps to a total of 1000 laps! This endurance race has been held six times at present and all 6 editions have been won with a Tamiya car! The first two editions were won by Team Tamiya with a TA-02 and a TA-03. The third, fourth and fifth editions were won by Team VG Modelbouw with a TA-03 and twice the TA-04. And now the sixth edition with a combined team of Team Tamiya and Team VG Modelbouw utilizing the superb handling characteristics of the TRF414MII.

The race had twelve teams at the start, with a couple of very experienced and fast teams. Team Tamiya / VG Modelbouw had a team which consisted of Chris van der Hagen (multiple Tamiya Eurocup A-finalist), Jason Joldersma (multiple Tamiya Eurocup A-finalist), Hessel Roskam (multiple Tamiya Eurocup A-finalist), Edwin van den Heuvel (an up and coming fast driver) and Marcel Delver (a very experienced and consistent driver). XRay was present with some of their fastest drivers (Jilles Groskamp, Marcus Mobers, Tony Vredenberg and Peter Meurs). A Dutch Schumacher team was present with their very experienced and fast endurance team.

Team XRay grabbed pole position with Team Tamiya / VG Modelbouw in second place. At the start XRay slowly pulled away from Tamiya only to be struck by bad luck when a bearing in the rear bulhead locked up and they had to replace it. This gave Tamiya a very healthy lead over XRay, but Schumacher was still very close behind and kept the pressure on at all times. Tamiya managed to extent their lead to a maximum of 15 laps over Schumacher, but XRay were on the move again and closing the gap. It was calculated that if the speed differences of both teams would stay the same as they were at that present moment (after +/- 700 laps) Tamiya would win with a 2 to 3 lap lead.
XRay suddenly slowed to a crawly pace and many thought that they had burned out their motor, fortunately for them it was only a brush which did not make contact with the rotor any more. This was quickly fixed and they were back on the track again. This gave Tamiya the necessary breathing space to cruise home to victory with Schumacher in second and XRay finishing third. The winning team completed the 1000 laps in just under 5 hours. The total race distance was about 153 km, which was completed with an average of just over 30 km/hour.

It was a remarkable race with all twelve teams reaching the finish!

Result:
1. Team Tamiya / VG Modelbouw 1 (TamiyaTRF414MII) 1000 laps
2. Team Schumacher / de Jong Modelbouw (Schumacher Mission) 991 laps
3. Team XRay (XRay T1 EvoII) 989 laps
4. Team Chaos 938 laps
5. Team MUCO Modelbouw (HPI Pro2) 910 laps
6. Team Tamiya / VG Modelbouw 2 (Tamiya TA-04) 840 laps
7. Team Green (XRay T1) 803 laps
8. Team Hang Loose (Tamiya TA-04) 757 laps
9. Team Kyosho (Kyosho KX-1) 685 laps
10. Team All-Stars 674 laps
11. Team Creemers ICT Cons 662 laps
12. Team Protech 637 laps

Setup:
Car: Tamiya TRF414MII
Body: Protoform Stratus 2.0
Motor: Tamiya Actopower F-1 17x2
Servo: KO-Propo PS-2173 Fet
ESC: Robitronic Spirit
Reciever: KO-Propo KR-301F
Transmitters: KO-Propo EX-1 Mars "R" & KO-Propo Esprit II Vantage
Batteries: 23 x Sanyo 3000HV
Chargers: 6 x Robitronic Pro2000+

[GoFaster]

I will have mine in about 2 days. I got it on ebay. Seemed like a good deal.

I can't wait to try tihis thing out I have the front ball diff and one-way.

Any suggestions for tires (rubber)and body? I am running on an asphalt track indoors.


How much of a disadvantage would a body other than a Stratus be? I really don't care much for Dodge. I'm looking at the BMW 3-Series, the generic Pleaser body(?), and the Opel.

I've got a few P2K's to run in it. Are there any other advantages to any other motor over this one? What would be good gearing for this in 64 pitch?

Thanks



:D

[synapse75]

im going into 414 withdrawl...
Two weeks ago a spotter stepped on my car and broke the rear shock tower. I had to order one from rainbowten out of japan, and what was worse, is i had to order it just after i ordered the worlds front end kit from them. The shock tower came in a package without a tag, which makes me wonder if tamiya will be shipping these to the US any time soon.

I just got finished installing the front end, and they really should of shipped the car like that, I think its going to make big difference in corning, and will hopefully give me the edge ive been looking for to beat the tried and true yok SP.

Another thought, I changed the front belt while it was down, and pray you never have to do it at a race. Quite a bit of the chassis needs to be dissassembled. I also noticed the losi diff lube I used to lube the CVDs was a very bad mistake. Deffinitely stick with the anti-wear grease for the CVDs and the pillow mounts for the suspension arms. The front cvds were wearing so bad there are loose metal shavings in them. Im going to rebuild them the best i can moving to the other set of holes in the dog bone. I also have one set of alum dog bones to install.

GoFaster
Im afraid i cant help you much with setup, because i run the car on a tight carpet track. Ive currently been running a BMW M3 protofrom body and dont have any real complaints. My local track doesnt enforce the 4door rule, and im currently painting up a nissan silvia body because im bored with everything else.

[rccarracer]

Anyone here got a 414X with original box and manual they are willing to sell?
All I can say is that I will pay a high price to take it off your hands...
Email to find out my offer....
webmaster@rccarracer.com

[synapse75]

i bet, i just watched one go for 550bux on ebay...

Im curious, why would it have that much value to somebody?

[ShinHed]

That one you saw on eBay was a 414 not an X and, the bidder never paid up.

[fast-rc]

Im in a toss up between the 414mII and the new x-ray? I currently run a xxx-s but want to try something different. Wat r the pros and cons for this car? What hop ups do I NEED to get to get this thing flying?( I heard there's this thing that you need to engage the full time 4wd) Can this thing car compare to the X-ray evo? Are replacement parts hard to find?

[GoFaster]

I just got mine. :D

WOOOHOOO

[dolemite]

any tamiya racers on the dallas fortworth area,im waiting for the tb evo III my self is hard to fight the temptetion of buying 414

[TRF Drive Hard]

Oh just get the 414 and save yourself from drooling over one... you can always get the EVO3 later:p

[dolemite]

:D

[synapse75]

what will the evo3 cost

cost on the evo2 is 309..

i dont think its that great... :(

[dolemite]

it is expensive :)

[Gallen]

does anyone of you know what are the differences between the 414M and 414MII (except all the parts are in anodized blue). Also does anyone of you have both of the cars and how do they compare? Which one is a better car and by how much?

[JimmyMac]

I think the only other difference would be the Delrin outdrives.... Is the rear belt the same or different? I don't think it'll matter to you..... The car is pretty sweet and smooth. I tried my 414 at Cleveland. But it didn't handle as good as my TC3. I think one reason was because I was using Tamiya Springs. The Tamiya guys there told me that the Tamiya springs are too soft and I should use AE springs.... Anyhow, time was limited and I didn't get to try it out anymore. Perhaps I will later on once a carpet track finishes up remodeling.... then I'll give it a spin..

[synapse75]

tamiya makes a range of springs that are very good quality...

with proper setup the 414 will turn faster laps than the tc3

[dolemite]

how about a 414 vs hpi

[xxxkat]

If the 414 can turn faster laps than a tc-3 how come they have not won a roar nat?Got lucky at the worlds,I would say the 414 is as fast as any touring car out their,and the trickest looking one,I just like to look at mine(I like racing it to).But as well as baker has been running with his tc-3 thats a tough one to prove.

[TRF Drive Hard]

Ok... the 414 goes 414mph... that's how it got the name;) HPI is How Poor Is PRO 2? :p ok, that was lame:D

[synapse75]

what other car has nearly infinite adjustment of anti-squat, anti-dive, roll center and wheel base?

all these adjustments take time to setup along with normal suspension adjustments, but in the end allow it to be extremely comprehensive...

most other aspects are very good, chassis rigidity, steering, the shox are about the best shox i have seen, who else polishes the inside of the shock body?

the ifmar worlds has 3 seperate mains that averaged together, I wouldnt call that lucky.
I think under normal circumstances masami with the yok would have been the best combination
The 414 was also the chassis that won the endurance race that somebody posted such good coverage of. This is interesting because it shows how consistant the chassis is time and again..

[xxxkat]

Sometimes a car as adjustable as the 414 can be a bad thing,one of the only things I dont like about tamiya is a lack of team input on set up sheets,I dig the car,but surikarn is a big time hack and as far as luck goes if masami would NOT have let surikarn take the lead after they got together Baker would be the champ.Nuff said I think the 414 rocks.

[synapse75]

you have no clue do you
barry was handed 2nd place by miss fortunes of hara and masami.. read (http://www.mytsn.com/events/news.asp?eid=816&pid=5488)

Im just going to ignore the other comment out of a frivolous assumptions...

i dont think baker is the same caliber of driver as masami, he is truely at a level that was maybe only shared with joel johnson

[synapse75]

i also fail to see how more adjustability to better adapt the chassis to tires, driving surface and driving style is a bad thing???

[xxxkat]

I made the comment on surikarn from what I saw at the reedy race,not on an assumption.All I was saying is If you dont know what your doing having a car thats so adjustable can get you messed up on the handling.Thats all i ment by a bad thing.;)

[JimmyMac]

Synapse75, I do have the spring kit for the 414. But they are just tooo soft. Even the "Extra Stiff" White springs are too soft. This was told to me at Cleveland by the Tamiya Sponsored drivers. I told them my setup and they laughed saying Tamiya Springs are too soft. Use Associated Springs instead. Something like AE White fronts and AE Purple rears with 80wt all around. Only reason I have the Tamiya spring kit is so I can run at the TCS races. I'm not saying they are bad, but just not suited for carpet racing.

As for a 414 running faster lap times than a TC3, well that remains to be seen. I haven't seen it yet. Even at the worlds were the TC3 and Yokomo produced the single fastest laps (to my knowledge). But for racers at our level, it'll mainly be due to proper setup and driving skill. Right now my 414 is off by .3~.4 sec per lap than my TC3. I can still win with it. But it's just that my TC3 is dialed and much much more efficient than the 414. But with time... I think I can get my times down with the 414. It's just sooo much smoother than the TC3.

Anyhow, anyone know where I can get a solid front axle for the 414? Yeah, I know you can tighten down a front diff. But just looking to see if anyone actually makes a front spool for a 414. Well let me head out.... oh yeah, my comments are mostly based on "Stock" class. As for Mod class, things tend to be a different story..... The cars tend to "equal" out alittle. This is where power overrides the efficiency issue and draws more from handling and setup. :D

[synapse75]

wow, that is crazy stiff?!?

I run blues all the way around with 70wt oil which is a good margin stiffer than what i normally run, but i have been running on a tight ozite track lately..

Have you tried raising the roll center?
I couldnt imagine running the car that stiff, there would be no flow at all from corner to corner

do you have the worlds front swaybar setup? it makes the chassis quite a bit more responsive..

why would you want to replace the front oneway with a spool, that makes no sense at all.. that would cause a tremendous amount of drag entering corners.. if you were going to use a spool it would make most sense to use one in the rear.. I or nobody i know have experimented with spools with 10th electric sedan.. I dont think at any rate it would work in stock at all..

at my track the yok sp and 414 are dominant, there is a guy with a losi that is pretty good.. i can go by tc3s like they are standing still.

[synapse75]

KilRuf


i was thinking about the way you have the chassis setup.. do you run foams?

Otherwise it sounds like you're setting the 414 up like your TC and not extracting the full potential out of the 414.. raising the roll center and adding anti-squat and anti-dive to the front will allow you to run a softer suspension with the same or less body roll. this helps to scrub as little speed in the corners as possible.. the wolrds front swaybr setup, like i said makes the car more responsive and also reduces roll further, allowing a softer shock setup

[dolemite]

what kind of set you guys run on a track with alot of turns and is a smooth concrete:)

[JimmyMac]

Well for the stiff springs we are talking about the Cleveland Indoor Champs Race. So yes it was Carpet and with Foams. Plus I was goin by what the Factory Tamiya guys were saying. So obviously they know something you or I don't know about it.

As for my setup I was talking about with comparing to my TC3, I am talking about outdoor Asphalt with Foams. I run a front spool on my TC3 and it handles like a dream! I was skeptical at first, but dont' knock it til ya try it! I always thought and prefered my oneway setup on my TC3... but not anymore. My driving technique allows me to come into the turn nice and smooth without scrubbing too much speed. Once you slow down with a spool, then yes, you are likely to push. But once on throttle you have a ton of steering. So mainly I was wanting to try the front spool for an outdoor track. Not indoor. Much like what they had to run at the Reedy Race since oneways were outlawed. Just something to try. I'm am open to new things. Like I said... I was skeptical at first myself!!!

Anyhow, pass on your setup to me so I can try it out. I would be very interested in seeing how it compares. Both Asphalt and Carpet setups. I'll be racing some carpet this weekend and will also be doin some testing. Mainly stock class. OH yeah, and I do/did run some antidive on my car for outdoors. Seems to do better. Perhaps if I can loosen up my belt alittle. It's a tad too tight for my liking. And I don't even run a tensioner (new belt, stretched my old one in mod class. hehe) Thanks for any help....

[synapse75]

ive been racing sedan since HPI came out with the RS4... I finished 2nd in a the B in a 12th scale world warm up race that happend to be near my home town.. You dont have to insult my intelligence to tell me you have in abnormal stiff setup because you were running foams...

I dont see how a spool would accelerate any better than a one way diff, either way the tires pull the same. Coming into a corner the front needs to be able to spin faster than the rear or you will scrub speed.

[JimmyMac]

After rereading my post. I didn't see where I said a spool offers more acceleration. I'm just saying it offers more steering in the middle and exit of turns were as a oneway tends to push out of a turn. I don't know. Sorry if I insulted you. I'm just relaying what they told me. Thats all. I'll just have to look else where since you are unwilling to offer me a good setup that works. Thanks again.

[synapse75]

ive been thinking about the spool setup more, and i can see how it would allow the weighted outside tire following a larger arch than the inside to be 'powered' through the corner...

like you said earlier, the 414 is smooth and thats what you need to exploit to be as fast as possible, and a spool i dont think would help the 414 to be faster

[TRI-TURBO]

Has anybody seen this style of a Tamiya 414??? i found pics of it put it is on a japense web site, i would like to know more about it please :confused: :confused: :confused:
http://www.oct.zaq.ne.jp/nao-jun/4.jpg
http://www.oct.zaq.ne.jp/nao-jun/6.jpg
http://www.oct.zaq.ne.jp/nao-jun/5.jpg

[synapse75]

whether it was made by tamiya or not(besides the tamiya parts), either way it looks like a scrach-made prototype.

Could be a next-gen 414...

[JimmyMac]

Looks like you can't use Saddle packs. If you can't, then you'll loose your transition speed. Looks home built.

[rccarracer]

This is a one off build.
If you look through his site, has done some other one off prototypes of the 414M......

[tamiyajoe]

I guess i can finally post in the forum b/c my 414m2 came this morinin and i got it runnin to day!! im soo happy, its a GREAT chassis!!! i just got one question, wat gear should i use for a 27 turn motor? (i no i no, im gettin a new one once i save up for my new esc)

[J-racer]

It all depends on the motor and size of track.
I race on a carpet track which has some tight chicanes and two straights of 100 ft and 70 ft. With a Reedy MVP I gear it 120x36, with a Peak Hellfire 120x37. I don't have any experience with any other stock motors, so maybe somebodt else could help.

[synapse75]

the largest gear i have run at my local track is 125 30
I think the straight is about 80ft with a tight road course

Ive had the best luck with greenmachine 3s
The worst GM3 ive tuned was still better than the best numbers ive got out of an MVP. MVPs also tend to run hot, even when geared low. I havent run a hellfire in a long time.

[tamiyajoe]

the tension on the belt that drives the front wheels seems to be too loose. the belt wobbles like CRAZY!. i put as many spacers as i can without interfering with the steering arm (during a right turn). does anyone have a solution?does this happen to anyone else? if it does happen to you, can you please tell me or show a pic of ur setup?

thanks alot!!

[synapse75]

i believe i have two 3mm spacers under the belt tensioner. Do you have the correct spacers under and over the bellcranks? My belt is closer to the upperdeck than the steering rack. Alum pullies on the lay shaft help belt slippage. On tight tracks geared low the belt may skip a little.

[dolemite]

anybody knows what is that screw on the arms for :confused:

[synapse75]

limits the downward travel, also know as a droop screw

[jay272]

4 of my friends bought the 414m2 to get a package deal from our hobby shop, and the car seems like any other 2 belt touring car. Yeah, it's pretty sweet looking, but all of my buddies lap times actually went down considerably, compared to their hpi's Pro2 lap times (they all have it). For the first time in a month, I beat 'em all with my TC3 racer kit. Those guys are reluctant to say that they got ripped by buying this thing for $310 each when the tao4-r is about $210, and they are still trying to convince to buy one. Well, have any of you actually gotten any faster as a result of buying this extremely expensive tao4??

[JimmyMac]

I've won plenty of races, trophy races, and points series with this car. It just depends on setup. With an old car like a Pro2, there would have been plenty of time to set it up. And if they have been running it awhile at that track, then the obvious answer is they have enough experience with that car to have it setup right. Now switching to a new car, things might start off slow. But once they get into it and learn more about the car and how it handles, I'm sure it'll make for a much smoother and faster car than the Pro2 and many other "newer" cars.

Anyways, I run a TC3 and 414M2 right now. I've owned and raced the XXX-S, and Yok Special, and other older TC's. But the 414 seems to be by far the smoothest one I've raced.

As for the price, they got ripped off if they paid $310 for it. hehe... Sounds like a Tower Hobby Price! :p Try $265 at SpeedtechRC. I've seen it cheaper at other place on the net.

[jay272]

$265, hmmmmmm. Now that's more like it!! I drove one on carpet for the first time (414m2) and the car is smooth, unlike my whiny but fast tc3. When I get my next unemployment check, I might get 1 just to piss my friends off, since they thought they got a good deal!!!

[dolemite]

downward travel:confused:

[jbrians]

Originally posted by synapse75
limits the downward travel, also know as a droop screw


I thought this screw is for adjusting ride height? Well, it works for me that way.

[dolemite]

me too i guess is not ,anybody knows:cool:

[X-garage]

Where can I get this bumper graphite top plate?

[synapse75]

Exactly ...
The "droop screws" limit downward travel, allowing you to adjust ride height. I thought that was implied, i didnt know I had to spell it out.

Originally posted by jbrians
I thought this screw is for adjusting ride height? Well, it works for me that way.

[Cychalen]

Here is an article about suspension droop.
RcTek : Model Car Handling - Suspension Droop (http://www.rctek.com/handling/suspension_droop.html)

[CarterTG]

Has anyone wandered around Tamiya's Japanese pages (http://www.tamiya.com/japan/news/news0302/news0.htm)? Looks like a slew of hop-ups for the 414 are on the way... and just when I thought thE chassis was armed to the teeth with go-fast goodies. Some intruiguing references on their page about a TRF414 SSG. Oh if only there was a Japanese/English translator on the web...

http://www.tamiya.com/japan/news/news0302/49270.jpg http://www.tamiya.com/japan/news/news0302/49273.jpg http://www.tamiya.com/japan/news/news0302/49274.jpg http://www.tamiya.com/japan/news/news0302/49275.jpg http://www.tamiya.com/japan/news/news0302/49271.jpg

[dolemite]

:eek: