Kyosho Superten GP's and FW-04 [Archive] - Page 3

Lord Hobbes

04-28-2004, 10:05 PM

well its good to see some active members in these threads. thanks for the info, i saw tons of ppl saying it was a pain for them to get parts, when actually i found the parts they were needing were really weak and they were alwayse on backorder because of the high demand (aluminum, beefy springs, and 60wt shock oil... :) ) thanks for the quick response guys!

i aleady have a racing car, but i would like something i could bash and run all out on, cuz my xxx-nt is my baby. and losi doesnt know how to provide adequate locations for zipties when you break parts :) (i love them more than duct tape)

PS - the zip ties work, trust me. i ran a rear arm for 6 months, and it was lached on the hinge pin with 3 zip ties, each with jb weld in the teeth of the zip ties for extra protection. after i replaced it, i still have that arm as backup!

markanda

04-29-2004, 01:04 AM

Lord Hobbes,

Which TR15 are you speaking of ? The Stadium truck or the Rally (by Kyosho of course).

This thread has come alive again recently and I am glad to see it. A couple of us in our club, QURC (http://www.queensunitedrc.com)have STs and we love them. I have one NIB and one that I run very frequently. I currently have a OS LD-X 12 in mine and it has seen many gallons with great compression left. The fact that it runs hot is inherent with the way the header is designed. Another sad thing the discontinuance of the LD enginel Still available in Japan, I am hoarding one i bought on Ebay last year. Anyway....buy them while they last...lol

God bless America

Lord Hobbes

04-29-2004, 09:37 AM

actually i was looking at the buggy, cuz the stadium truck looks goofy. but i guess with a new pro-line body it would be cool. i was looking for something similar to a t-maxx, but with some racing potential. i also like the "larger than 1/10th scale" so it would be almost as big as a tmaxx. plus i dont want to jump on the traxxas bandwagon :)

also, is the superten its own chassis or is is based on the fw-04?

Blaster

06-09-2004, 11:07 AM

Folks, does anybody know if this (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXM897&P=7) wheel fits a superten? :confused:

markanda

06-10-2004, 11:36 AM

Folks, does anybody know if this (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXM897&P=7) wheel fits a superten? :confused:

When you say "superten" You must say FW-04 because Kyosho makes the superten with a wheel that does NOT fit on the FW-04 as well. It is very confusng. Like I have said before I have only seen one other place that had the FW 04 sized tires and rims (they were foams too) and they dont carry them anymore.

I urge you guys to check out this link QURC Videos (http://www.queensunitedrc.com/vids/index.html)

rmd

06-17-2004, 05:01 PM

Anyone know what engine came with the older Kyosho McLaren F1 GTR Superten kit #31534 ?

craigb

06-17-2004, 08:58 PM

Blaster, I don't think those wheels will fit your Superten.

Guys, please correct me if I am wrong,

The Superten (older version) takes a 2.2" diameter wheel with a 12mm hex

The FW-04 (newer version) takes a 2.2" diameter wheel with a 14mm hex

The front wheels are 1 11/32" wide and the rears are 1 9/16" wide

The HPI Super Nitro wheels have a 12mm hex, are 2.2" in diameter and are 1 3/8" wide so they'd be a little narrow I think.

I'm pretty sure these fit an older Superten

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&W=000071717&I=LXV788&P=K

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXV788&P=M

Everyone agree on this?

Still looking for foams for the Superten...

Seeya :)

markanda

06-18-2004, 03:51 PM

Right you are Craig !!!!! Do you know how many times I have left the hobby shop being given the wrong wheels ??? LOL The Hex is the big problem - stock up on them kyosho wheels !!! Atlas hobbies carried foams for the FW-04, not anymore though. I know that Hobbynet in Japan still carries a nice line of FW-04 products (four stroke conversion, LD engines by OS). My club has a couple of fw-04s (besides mine of course and I still have one NIB) and we that have them love them. We need to send this thread to the genius' at Kyosho that deciced to discontinue this line.

-Mark

Dan H

06-18-2004, 05:07 PM

Whats up guys. Just ran my FW04 yesterday for the first time in over a year. :) Engine seems a bit slower than usual (or maybe its my imagination?) so I'm thinking of changing the valve springs and borrow a friend's valve adjusting tool. Can't wait to bring it to the track. So whats new with you guys?

craigb

06-18-2004, 05:25 PM

LOL yes Markanda, I too have ended up with the wrong wheels only to find out AFTER gluing on a set of brand new hi grip treaded tires front and rear-OOPS! eBay saved me from a $60 mistake (I think I got back $40).

Just a thought then, if Super Nitro RS4 wheels have a 12mm hex, does anyone offer a superwide foam tire for the HPI that would work well on the Superten?

Blaster

06-18-2004, 05:44 PM

markanda

06-19-2004, 05:09 AM

Thanks guys! And you are right, the wheels I listed won't fit the FW-04. :mad:

Hm.... Tires for the car, besides Kyosho, I never tried. But will start to look after it too. ;)

Dan H - you mentioned valve springs... Do you use a FS .26?? Hehe. Nice engine, isn't it? Pics please...

Guys, as Kyosho discontinued our cars but we still love them I propose an idea to keep us all updated about what we are running: pics of our cars with a brief description of mechanical parts.

What do you think? :D

I thought it was such a good idea that I would start it off ! Pictures to follow
Chassis = Kyosho Gold High Performance
Body=Mugen Loctite NSX
Engine=OS 12 and 15LD-Xs(NIB)
Gears=Diff gears are the HD Kyosho Gears, Two speed 43 and 40
Servos=Futaba 3004
Tires=Zero Slick Med Compound

I have two of the Limited - one that I run and one that is NIB (I just like looking at it)

I would love a pic of that fourstroke !!! (hint hint)

-Mark

markanda

06-19-2004, 05:19 AM

Anyone know what engine came with the older Kyosho McLaren F1 GTR Superten kit #31534 ?

How old is the kit ? Maybe the LD who knows ?

Blaster

06-19-2004, 08:44 AM

rmd - the original engine to the kit # 31534 is a Kyosho GS-11.

Folks - pics and tech specs of my FW04 latter today! :D Stay tunned!!!

Dan H

06-19-2004, 05:56 PM

Here's some pics of it. :) Had some pics posted in the earlier pages of this thread but really, my car hasn't changed much...

Dan H

06-19-2004, 05:58 PM

Sorry the pics are so dark.

Dan H

06-19-2004, 05:59 PM

Vette body. Thinking of getting an NSX body next.

rmd

06-19-2004, 11:56 PM

rmd - the original engine to the kit # 31534 is a Kyosho GS-11.

Folks - pics and tech specs of my FW04 latter today! :D Stay tunned!!!

Thanx Blaster, from just looking at the engine I couldn't tell what it was except that it was a kyosho and I thought it might be a gt-15. At some time in the past I put the engine in a Rampage pro. I have all the manuals from several kits but they are all mixed together so I couldn't single out what engine it was and didn't want to disassemble the rampage to try to find out. I have all kinds of parts and old engines mingled together, I am so disorganized. Everything has been sitting in several boxes since around 96 when I lost interest except for occasional runs with my turbo inferno. Lately I got the rc bug again because I was bored shitless from 4 months of laying around after back surgery. I decided to get rid of most of my old gear. I already offloaded an electric USA-1 and old tamiya thundershot plus some chargers, ESCs, & cheaper transmitters. I practically had the rampage sold with my old favorite transmitter, a Futaba 3PB Magnum PCM, to my best friend's older brother who wanted it as a gift for his son but then my back seized up 2 weeks ago and I spent 8 days in the hospital so the brother couldn't wait and went and spent $500 on a new kit. After I got out of the hospital my friend wanted to see the rampage so I did a quick demo a few days ago and now he's thinking of taking it, otherwise it will end up on ebay soon.

I picked up an O.S. .12 CV-RX for the superten, should have gotten a .15 or .18, but haven't been healthy enough to get it going yet other than a quick startup test in the basement. I am hoping to run the car next week, with the help of some strong pain meds :p

Blaster

06-20-2004, 07:12 AM

RMD - good to know you are a longtime RC addicted. And wish you can get back to the hobby very soon. My best wishes to a fast health recovery!

DanH - man I loved the carbon upper deck. No words to the vette boddy. Wanna trade in on a NSX?? :D Where you got it?

As for the springs to the adjustable shocks, how you managed them to fit? I tryed it on my car but when the shock/spring were compressed the spring scratched on the shock thread.... :confused:

What you use to transfer power from diferentials to the wheels? Dogbones + drivecups? Or swingshafts?

My pics latter today... :o

Blaster

06-20-2004, 09:32 AM

All Cars with bodies...

1) Red/Black/White NSX FW04 Special (31152) with:
O.S FS .26 4 stroke
Viscous Coupler - Front Wheels (FZW026 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXV835&P=Z) )
Optional (not the kit's) 2 speed transmission (FZW056 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXSU18&P=Z) )
Cooling Fan Set (39641 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXT944&P=Z) )
On Road Spring Set - Medium (92491 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXV310&P=Z)
Silicone Shock Oil # 600 on al 4 corners (SIL0600 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXUC22&P=Z) )

2) Black AMG Mercedes body on a FW04 Special (KYO31002S-B = same as 31152 but with Mercedes body as stock) with:
O.S RG .21
Viscous Coupler - Front Wheels (FZW026 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXV835&P=Z) )
Adjustable Teflon Shocks (W5155BL (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXZH12&P=Z) )
On Road Springs Hard (92001 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?&I=LXZH21&P=V) )
Front Stabilizer Set (FZW054 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXSU14&P=Z) )
Rear Stabilizer Set (FZW055 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXSU16&P=Z) )
Muffler Landmax (GT047 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXLP17&P=Z) )
Kyosho Manifold (BS026 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXU635&P=Z) )
High Grip Tires Rear (92541 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXV576) )
High Grip Tires Front ( 92451 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?&I=LXV638&P=V) )
Universal Swing Shaft on all 4 corners (FZW053 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0095p?FVSEARCH=fzw053&FVPROFIL=++) )
Hobbico Volt Watch (330 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXMZ56&P=ML) )

3) White Porshe GT1 body (39622) on a FW04 Special (31152) with:
Dual Spring Assortment (92915 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXPU93&P=Z) )
Perry Pump Regulator (VP30 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDG59&P=ML) )

See pics below...[/IMG]

Blaster

06-20-2004, 09:34 AM

Front view with bodies

Blaster

06-20-2004, 09:39 AM

cars without body

Blaster

06-20-2004, 10:10 AM

FW04 with O.S .26 4 stroke

Blaster

06-20-2004, 10:12 AM

FW04 with O.S RG .21

Blaster

06-20-2004, 10:14 AM

FW04 with Kyosho GS .15

Dan H

06-20-2004, 03:19 PM

Blaster, its just an HPI SNRS4 body. :) Its the 300mm wheelbase one so I had to shorten it up a bit for the FW04.

I'm using HPI spring sets for the adjustable shocks. They seem to fit good. Haven't tried any other springs yet though. As for power to the ground, I'm using front universals and dogbones in the back. I hope I don't bend or break them though, they're super expensive. :(

Your FW04 triad is looking great. :D I have a spare .21RG and now you're giving me ideas, haha. j/k Anyways, pretty cool. I need to replace my brown plastic parts...

evilGearhead

06-20-2004, 10:50 PM

do any of you have a spare o.s. .15 ldx engine to sell? new or used, name your price.

Blaster

06-21-2004, 12:28 PM

Dan H - That's how you know someone that really knows about the hobby... HOW you shortened the vette body??? I mean, how you shortened AND glued again the boddy without leave it with marks?? Please.... :)

evilGearhead - I have spare GS15 brand new, as I changed 2 of my engines when I just bought the cars. The price will not be a problem. But the shipping cost might be, as I live outside US. If you really want one e-mail me a PM with your ZIP, to quote a shipping. And say your price!

Mika

06-21-2004, 02:48 PM

Blaster, I think the guy is looking for OS laydown engine, not a regular one..
Nice cars you have there, yours? Sorry to say, but after racing HPI Super this season I have to say K Super is not even close in driving abilities, and HPI is so much easier to work with (cleaning, changing parts etc). K Super feels like a big tank after driving HPI Super.
www.snrt.net

Blaster

06-21-2004, 02:58 PM

Yeah Mika, all three are mine. I heard good about HPI Super handling and performance, besides not so good about HPI quality. I would like to try this car but invested too much $ on my FW-04 and parts and certaily will not get return for that. So.... :rolleyes:

BTW, nice site! ;)

Mika

06-21-2004, 03:53 PM

Done that, been there. Still sold them all, one by one before the price was close to zero (discontinued kits remember).

HPI quality is very good, the car is lighter so never broken anything on track. Just hearsay I might say. The only issue is outdrives, but few bucks per outdrive is nothing. Unless you use .21 engine which is insane anyway for racing. NovaRossi .15 is more than enough. Nothing against Kyosho, great cars.

Thanks!

Happy racing!
-Mika

Dan H

06-21-2004, 11:13 PM

Blaster, all I did was just cut the wheel wells more closer together, thats all. :D Here's an old side pic. It actually fits quite nice on the FW04 and looks like it was just made for a 280mm wheelbase. I think the best way to do it is drill the body mount holes first and mount it on. Then I used my circle cutter point on the wheel nuts so I can get the wheelbase spot on.
http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=17986&stc=1

Mika, glad to see you are enjoying your SNRS4. I almost came close to buying a friend's SNRS4 but just love my FW04 too much. I have another friend who currently has both and prefers the SNRS4 handling over the FW04. Seems our cars just love to understeer no matter what setup we run. But what I really want to try is the Tamiya TGR. The one at our old track was smoking fast. I still want to get one though.

Anyways, you wouldn't happen to have your .15LD left would you? ;) Or did you ever have one? My memory sucks.

Mika

06-22-2004, 02:17 AM

Dan, you remember correctly! :)
I sold my last K Super with all the goodies including steel diffs etc. and the LD Engine.
Thanks,
Mika

Blaster

06-22-2004, 07:27 AM

Dan H - you did a great job! It really seems that the body was made to 280mm plataform...

Mika - I'll think on your advices. Maybe I start to sell one of them anyway....

Mika

06-22-2004, 07:37 AM

OK Blaster. Before you sell (and buy a HPI Super from eBay : ) keep in mind that HPI Supers need clean tracks being belt driven. If you don't have a track you can as well keep your K's.

BTW, how's your 21 powered Super gonna last with that cheaper 2-speed; I broke mine instantly when stepped on gas with my .12 NovaRossi. I think you definitely need the better 2-speed fzw56$$$$ or better yet a shoe style 2-speed, but I have no idea where you could one get from.

Thanks,
Mika

rmd

06-22-2004, 06:26 PM

Here's a pic of my Mclaren F1 GTR Superten GP 4WD (#31534).
Pretty much stock except for a few things.

O.S. .12 CV-RX
2-Speed Transmission (KYOC6179)
Kyosho Tuned Muffler Set FW04
Kyosho Universal Swing Shaft SuperTen

http://us.f2.yahoofs.com/users/40d87dab_dfbe/bc/2109/__sr_/e3ef.jpg?phaiI2ABN.CHR0T1

Damn! for the life of me I cannot figure out how to get the image to show up instead of as URL. I even tried adding as an attachment but then the pic didn't even show up.

Mika

06-23-2004, 12:05 AM

your link does not work, that's the reason I guess..

rmd

06-23-2004, 08:01 AM

The link was working yesterday. It's from a yahoo photo album. I'll try it again with an attachment this time.

Dan H

06-24-2004, 02:37 PM

Nice superten. :)

Mika

06-24-2004, 03:42 PM

Yeah, although McLaren-Mercedes sucks in F1... being a Finn I waited much more from Kimi this season which - obviously - McLaren could not deliver.. But yes, the Fw03 is nice.

craigb

06-24-2004, 07:21 PM

rmd

06-25-2004, 06:20 AM

RMD -
I noticed your tire treads face with the "V" ponting towards the rear (when looking at it from the top of the tire) of the car. Is this intentional?

The reason I ask is that it seems almost all RC cars that have treaded tires will have the "v" pointing forward if it has one, however;

Motorcylcles face the "V" on the front tire pointing to the rear and the rear tire pointing to the front (I am sure on the front, pretty sure on the rear).

Now mountain bikes usually set them up the opposite with rear "V" pointing backward and the front tire with the "v" pointing forward.

I have been told with bicycles, any "V" or chevron in the rear points towards the rear so when you rotate the tire, the chevron scoops dirt or pavement and helps forward bite. Then in the front, the chevron points forward so the front tire is less "grabby".

If that is true, why would anyone set up an RC car (especially an off road model) with the rear chevron "V"'s pointing forward? And I only ever see them this way, even on pulling trucks.

And has anyone experimented with this on road or off and returned with noticable differences?

Guys, let me know if I am wacky by posing these questions or not. :confused:

It's purely at random. I just pulled the car out of storage where it's been since around 1996. I replaced some bent wheel shafts with universals but I paid no attention when I put the wheels on, except which was front and which was rear. I'll have to look at the manual to see what it says on tread direction. I still have to setup the caster & toe but I've been having trouble getting the new engine going. I think the fule tank primer is leaking air cause the car won't start unless I blow through the hose connected to the exhaust to force fuel into the engine. I'll probably just ripout the primer and seal it with a screw, a suggestion I read somewhere on a RC website recently.

rmd

06-25-2004, 06:23 AM

Yeah, although McLaren-Mercedes sucks in F1... being a Finn I waited much more from Kimi this season which - obviously - McLaren could not deliver.. But yes, the Fw03 is nice.

Mines not an FW03, it's the much older superten kit #31534.

Blaster

06-25-2004, 06:38 AM

RMD - nice car! This McLaren body, while not painted in stock yellow/orange scheme, is very good looking! :D

What engine you use on your car?

The prime is most common place of leak on fuel lines. Maybe getting a FW-04 one and a choke button (Landmax 1) solves it...

Craig - As for the tires, I use it pointed forward, as I use on my 1:1 truck (per MFG instructions). But dunno if it makes any difference on an RC. :confused:

Mika - Hope that Ronn and McLaren can give Mika (and Montoya) better chances in 2005. While an Ferrari admirer I would love to see another good driver winning over Schumacher as obviously Barrichello will not do it. :rolleyes:

rmd

06-25-2004, 11:43 AM

RMD - nice car! This McLaren body, while not painted in stock yellow/orange scheme, is very good looking! :D

What engine you use on your car?

The engine is an O.S. .12 CV-RX with a pullstart. I'm not racing this car so I decided to go with a pullstart. In hindsight maybe I should have gone with a .15 CV-Rx or even the .18 CV-RX. But this car is just for toying around, I'm getting a serpent 950R next month.

ALF__

06-25-2004, 07:57 PM

Does anyone own the TR-15 rally subaru? if so, please contact me and tell me about it. im really looking in to buy one =)

Mika

06-26-2004, 03:24 AM

Mika - Hope that Ronn and McLaren can give Mika (and Montoya) better chances in 2005. While an Ferrari admirer I would love to see another good driver winning over Schumacher as obviously Barrichello will not do it. :rolleyes:

Yeah

jakestreats

06-26-2004, 11:20 AM

hi does anyone know where i can buy a .26 i live in england but would buy one from anywhere in the world as they are hard to get hold off :D I have a small webpage with a few kyosho supertens on there i am a real fan of that engine,any help would be great,thanks jake

Mika

06-26-2004, 11:35 AM

hi Jake, what .26 ? There are number of different .26 's. One relevantly good and cheap is Team Orion's WASP 26 .. Why don't you buy one from Tower, for instance, http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXEKX2&P=7

jakestreats

06-27-2004, 07:36 AM

hi mika sorry i meant a o/s .26 fs surpass engine but many thanks for your help ;)

Blaster

06-27-2004, 07:38 AM

jakestreats - if you are refering to the O.S .26 4 stroke to the supertens, you cand find them here:

1) Without recoil = http://www2.hobbynet-jp.com/overseas/main2.asp?category4_name_en=FS-26S-C_VerII
2) With recoil = http://www2.hobbynet-jp.com/overseas/main2.asp?category4_name_en=FS-26S-CX

As the price is in Japanease Currency (Yen) you must divide it for 107.71 to get the value in US Dolar.

Don't forget that you will need the 4 stroke fitting kit... :rolleyes:

Blaster

06-27-2004, 08:41 AM

Oh, I almost forgot. I am selling my 4 stroke Superten FW04. If anybody is interested... The car has 2/3 tanks in it.

I changed the chassi the 4 stroke kit was to the most upgraded one. It has:

Honda NSX Red/Black/White body.

O.S FS .26 4 stroke
Optional (not the kit's) 2 speed transmission (FZW056 )
Cooling Fan Set (39641 )

Viscous Coupler - Front Wheels (FZW026 )
Adjustable Teflon Shocks (W5155BL )
On Road Springs Hard (92001 )
Front Stabilizer Set (FZW054 )
Rear Stabilizer Set (FZW055 )
High Grip Tires Rear (92541 )
High Grip Tires Front ( 92451 )
Universal Swing Shaft on all 4 corners (FZW053 )
Hobbico Volt Watch (330 )
Silicone Shock Oil # 600 on al 4 corners (SIL0600 )

The reason? The asphalt track was transformed on a paintball camp... :mad:

Dan H

06-28-2004, 07:24 PM

That sucks to hear. Are you still keeping your other FW04's?

Just curious, how much do you want for your 4 stroke FW04? My friend wants to get a 4 stroke after seeing mines run.

One more thing, have you ordered from hobbynet-jp.com? I'm interested in purchasing an OS .40 or .15LD in the future.

Blaster

06-29-2004, 03:08 PM

Dan H - Yeah dan. It really sucks. I'll keep only my other Off Road cars (Landmax, Mad Force, Kanai)

I still have no idea about price, as it will depends if the buyer wants it with or without radio/servos

I'd say that as is (with Futaba Magnum Junior and servos) it will be around US$500. It goes with the unused NSX body shell plus the CLK Mercedes. And tyres can be choosed from slick or thread ones... Any offer?

I will sell the others superten FW04 too. All with hop ups. And the Spare Parts (like a brand NIB O.S .15RX and tuned pipe. Also UNUSED chassis, suspension, ball bearings, shocks, springs, etc, etc)

Anybody interested on anything?

jakestreats

07-02-2004, 06:52 AM

hi very interested will get together on price and have a deal,thanks

jackal575

07-03-2004, 02:15 AM

i have an inferno TR-15 and i am interested in blaster's 2 speed (FZW056) could you name a price?

jakestreats

07-08-2004, 09:18 AM

HI anyway played with a Viscous Coupler ,i've one on the front of mine but which oil do you put in it,thanks

jakestreats

07-08-2004, 12:00 PM

hi also anyone heard of "form racing" i,ve read they do a 3 speed gears for a superten four stroke, anyone got a link or know there webpage,thanks

Dan H

07-09-2004, 01:30 AM

Heard of Form racing but never heard of the 3 speed gears. Could it be this?

http://www.wankel.net/~krwright/images/RX7/rc%20rotary.jpg

Not sure though but looks cool.

jakestreats

07-09-2004, 04:23 AM

hi thanks dan h ,would you know where i could get more information so i could try and build one of these ,as this is right up my street. many thanks

Dan H

07-10-2004, 01:16 AM

Build a rotary powered Superten/FW04?

jakestreats

07-10-2004, 03:41 AM

Hi just got three engines yesterday .26 os four stroke ,.12 LD and a wankel .30 so i have a lot of work to do,will post pics on as soon as possible( should be loads of fun plus a few headaches along the way!!! any help always welcome.
Any one any pics of superten with .12 LD engine,thanks

Dan H

07-10-2004, 04:50 AM

Wow, I just need to get myself a Wankel too. :D I just got a used .12LDX and a spare broken .15LDX that I can hopefully rebuild but if they're too slow, I'll just get an .18CVR.

I'd love to see your rotary project take off. I still want to build one too because I actually own an RX7 and rebuild the 1:1 engines myself. ;) But $340 is still a lot for the OS wankel. Definitely let us know how progress is going.

jakestreats

07-10-2004, 05:54 AM

hi the .18 cvr would be the best one for speed with a 2 speed box ,theres a guy on ebay who tunes 2 strokes ,a full tune is 69 dollors,do you think it will give it more power?

jakestreats

07-10-2004, 06:08 AM

hi i have edited my profile and put my webpage with my nitro truck/cars on it,if you would like to have a look.Not all is on there but it will give you an idea of what i get up to,thanks

Blaster

07-10-2004, 03:31 PM

jakestreats - man, you got a bunch of supperb engines.... And I really would love to see a wangel on a RC car. :D Any pics of your 4stroke or LD? I saw too many angine tunners on e-bay. personally I wouldn't go for it. If you want a .18crv tunned, why not try a .21 OS instead? You can put a .21RG or even .21VZ-R on your Superten (as I did). The hard part of it is actually "see" the car at full speed.... Parts to make this assembly are easy and cheap....

Dan H - Man, why you posted that wankel link in here! It is not fair.... I wanna a wankel Superten!!!

The only RC CAR from Kyosho I saw with 3 speed was a Landmax with a Mad Force tranny.... :cool:

craigb

07-10-2004, 04:42 PM

hi i have edited my profile and put my webpage with my nitro truck/cars on it,if you would like to have a look.Not all is on there but it will give you an idea of what i get up to,thanks

Jakestreats, is that the hop up Kyosho 4 stroke tuned pipe on your Superten? If so, did you also run the car originally with the stock one? I'm wondering what the performance difference is with the new pipe?

Also, anyone out there run the hop up pipe and header together? How's that performance over stock?

Thanks :)

jakestreats

07-11-2004, 10:07 AM

Hi Blaster, thanks for looking at my website. I am a little bit slow when it comes to updating it. I've got about 10 things on the go at the moment. The 3 most important ones that I'm doing at the moment is putting a .52 fs os 4 stroke engine in a Kyosho mint Las Vegas 2 stroke buggy, which I'm sure will have a few ups and downs along the way. The second project is putting the os LD in the super 10, but before I do that I'm getting all the chassis nickle plated and a couple of the other aluminium bits are going to be anodised which all takes a bit of time. And third and probably the most important one, is fitting a wankle engine to the super 10 which I've now got a little bit of information about it but mostly only got pictures to go on, bearing in mind this will most probably take me 2 years to figure out, because my 4 stroke Tmax took me about a year and a half to finish.
Think you are right about the 3 speed. Looked everywhere and only found a 2 speed so I'll stay with that for the moment.
Craig, got 2 tuned pipes and one standard one. The honest truth is they all sound slightly different but I couldnt honestly tell that it gives the car more speed or power. The one I like best of all is the one that looks the worst out of all of them but sounds the best, a real deep holow base like a real 4 stroke should sound.

Dan H

07-11-2004, 03:52 PM

Sweet RC collection!! Don't know about the Ebay "tuners." It seems a bit shady. I only trust a few people with my engines. (Have a Richey modified MT12) And ported .21RG crank from PCC's brother. Anyways, I'm thinking of putting a wankel in a SNRS4 since the chassis seems more versatile. But I'm broke so it won't happen for a while. :(

Hey Blaster, check out this other Wankel powered and custom built RC. :D The mini radiator is awesome.

http://www.rx7club.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=193412&highlight=787b

Blaster

07-13-2004, 03:49 PM

Dan H- really thanks for the link!!! I am sure that such piece of art doesn't need comments.... :eek:

:D

jakestreats

07-13-2004, 04:58 PM

hi what a peace of kit!!!!! best i have ever seen

jakestreats

07-15-2004, 02:18 PM

hi just got my .12ld engine for my superten ,which flywheel do i need to get ,many thanks
jake

Blaster

07-15-2004, 02:28 PM

jakestreats - where you got the .12LD? What are your plans to that engine.... :D

jakestreats

07-15-2004, 02:50 PM

hi its was the last one he had cost me 125 dollors inc post to england and its all new in box,i will fit it in my new superten ltd edition with 2 speed also just got 2 more .26 os engine as well ,if you are after a LD engine i will keep my eyes open and let you know as soon as one come up,thanks

jakestreats

07-16-2004, 08:48 AM

Hi anyone know where i can get a cheeper alternative then the kyosho 2 speed for the fw-o4 or superten i think they are the same.thanks

Dan H

07-17-2004, 12:27 AM

I think Kyosho has two versions of its two speed. One thats like $150 and the other is like $55 I think. Tower should have it unless its been discontinued.

jakestreats

07-17-2004, 03:36 AM

Thanks will have a look a Tower today.

Blaster

07-17-2004, 02:29 PM

jakestreats - the cheaper one is the 39014 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXZH22&P=7) and the expensive one is the FZW056 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXSU18&P=7) . The 39014 was used with my OS .21 VZ-R and never had any problem = I think it is good enough.

markanda

07-17-2004, 02:33 PM

hi just got my .12ld engine for my superten ,which flywheel do i need to get ,many thanks
jake

YOU LUCKY guy !!

I used an HPI flywheel and it was pefect fit !

jakestreats

07-18-2004, 06:04 AM

hi many thanks for your all you help ,i know you guys would know the answer,been having problem with melting clutches on my 4 sroke ,the setups is died right, i put a new clutch in but after about 15 mins it melts ( only the outer edge ).The brake is off as soon as throttle is applied, maybe it might be that the bellhousing has a few scores on the inside,so i ordered a new one,do you think this will help?
The clutch i use is a 39666-03 black plasic one cost about $12 are the vespa ones any better? any one used one.

Dan H

07-18-2004, 11:36 PM

Get the Vespa clutch. Thats what I have and even with my 4 stroke, the clutch still looks like new.

jakestreats

07-19-2004, 03:08 PM

thanks, would you know the part number for the 2 speed four stroke vespa clutch,thanks

Dan H

07-19-2004, 07:06 PM

YOU LUCKY guy !!

I used an HPI flywheel and it was pefect fit !

Which HPI flywheel did you use?

Hey Mika, you still there?? :D Does the shaft on the LD engines have to be cut to fit the car? And what was the flywheel setup? (any collets and do I use the silver pilot shaft? Sounds a bit confusing but I'll try to snap pics of the parts I have and neeed to know what I'm missing or using the wrong part.

Dan H

07-19-2004, 07:10 PM

thanks, would you know the part number for the 2 speed four stroke vespa clutch,thanks

I'll try to look for the part numbers tonight but I put my manual somewhere. :(

jakestreats

07-21-2004, 10:00 AM

THANKS DAN,I will put a hpi flywheel on my LD engine it the next few days and take pics ,will let you know if it needs a collet.

Dan H

07-21-2004, 08:58 PM

Thanks Jake. Looking forward to it.

Oh, got my manual and the part number for the Vespel Clutch Shoes is 39671

Just checked and Tower has it for $35

Dan H

07-22-2004, 05:07 PM

Wait, theres another clutch shoe part number 39301-26

Not sure which one. Apparently, I have two different sized clutch bells. And my clutch shoes cracked last night as I was removing it. :(

jakestreats

07-22-2004, 05:07 PM

hi dan not had chance to log on been working my but of at work very busy time ,thanks for part number will order one now,have just updated my site ,had a chance to spent 2hrs on the superten or is it the superten fw04???? not sure (which cam first) have a look ....its the .12 LD engine one,thanks

jakestreats

07-22-2004, 05:08 PM

I,ll have a look at both.

jakestreats

07-29-2004, 05:18 PM

hi just got today two new in the box superten four 2 specials with the 2 speed and the .26 os engine never used all new ,only need one,any offers,would put pics but not sure how too,thanks

jakestreats

08-04-2004, 05:28 PM

http://www.picturetrail.com/jakestreats hi updated my site got pictures of the superten four 2 special new in box with muffer and two speed with .26 fs os engine ,thanks :D :D

Blaster

08-05-2004, 01:47 PM

Jake - how much for the .26 4T? Wich one you are selling? :D I think I need one again... :rolleyes:

jakestreats

08-06-2004, 06:48 AM

http://www.picturetrail.com/gallery/view?p=999&gid=4905270&uid=915759

HI not sure if this link will work.

jakestreats

08-06-2004, 06:59 AM

thanks Dan h :D ,got 2 speed (cheep one ,works fine)and clutch A1

hi can anyone help ,on the superten you can get a radio box that goes underneath the top deck ,it looks different from the fw-04 one ,its much more square ,not so long ,does anyone know where i can get one ,thanks :D

markanda

08-07-2004, 10:00 AM

I am always looking for fw-04 Supertens and/or NIB parts and LD engines. I know that guys have been looking for wheels other than the kyosho ones and I found these on e-bay (the seller knows this thread) Wheels (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=5913879412&ssPageName=ADME:B:SS:US:1)

jakestreats

08-09-2004, 06:08 AM

HI MARKANDA there is a .12 ld engine new in box on ebay at the moment got 6 days to go.

markanda

08-09-2004, 09:29 PM

Jake, I couldnt find it....could you email me the link please markanda@queensunitedrc.com

Thanks

My next project is to aquire.build a four stroke....

jakestreats

08-10-2004, 04:10 AM

hi this should be the linkLD Engine (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34062&item=5914153605) :D

jakestreats

08-10-2004, 07:35 AM

Hi Anyone Done Nitrous Gas On A .26 Four ,should Be Fun :D :eek: :rolleyes:

jakestreats

08-10-2004, 01:48 PM

hi well someone has to be silly and fit a .46 2 stroke (truckziller,not sure on spelling) into a superten with 2 speed might need help from you guys ,i know blaster has fitted a .21 did it need any special parts ,thanks (maybe with nos) i must be losing it

Blaster

08-10-2004, 07:11 PM

Jake - to get a OS VZ-R and a RG .21 on my FW04 I used:

To VZ-R and RG
1) The VZ-R or RG engine (no comments, hehehe)
2) Kyosho Flywheel .15 RX, # 39523 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXU242&P=7)
3) Kyosho Engine Mount .15 RX (FITS PERFECTLY on any OS .21 with Pilot Shaft to a FW04), # 39522 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?&I=LXU178&P=V)
4) Kyosho Vespel Clutch 1/8, # 39673 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXT907&P=7)
5) Kyosho flywheel nut, # BSW058 (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXU233&P=7)
6) Kyosho 2 speed to FW04 (fits BETTER than the expensive FZW056 and holds the power!!!), # 39014.
7) Kyosho Inferno/landmax 2 muffler and manifold (rubber) to the RG and the OS T-2050 pipe and manifold to .21 VZ-R

To ALL. Guys, I have NIB OS .12 and .15 LD and LDX to sell. Below are my prices no NIB units. Priority Mail shipping is US$10 to USA and UK.

1) OSM 11545 15LD W/SILENCER ENGINE , US$201.24
2) OSM 11550 15LD-X W/MANIFOLD ENGINE , US$217.59
3) OSM 11555 15LD-X W/SILENCER ENGINE , US$239.93
4) OSM 11180 12LD-X W/MANIFOLD ENGINE , US$194.59
5) OSM 11170 12LD W/MANIFOLD ENGINE , US$175.99

If anybody wants a NIB LD engine, just PM me. I can place them on e-bay, if you want.'

Dan H

08-10-2004, 07:19 PM

Doh, if only you posted those engines a month ago. :D I'm currently rebuilding a .15LD but already acquired most of the parts.

jakestreats

08-11-2004, 05:42 AM

HI THANKS BLASTER ,I think i have all the bits to fit the .46 in ,will let you know how things go.What do you think about gearing?

markanda

08-15-2004, 06:48 AM

hi this should be the linkLD Engine (http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=34062&item=5914153605) :D

Are we going to have a bidding war over it ? LOL

Blaster

08-15-2004, 07:50 AM

Hm... Might be. Stay tunned, guys! :D

jakestreats

08-15-2004, 01:20 PM

hi no bidding war i only put one bid in thats it,if i get it i be very lucky on that bid,thanks

markanda

08-16-2004, 01:16 AM

hi no bidding war i only put one bid in thats it,if i get it i be very lucky on that bid,thanks

I was not going to bid against you...not a jerk - i know you from this thread so......there willl be more.....

Mark

jakestreats

08-18-2004, 12:07 PM

HI I only bid 101 so i did not think i would get it .On Ebay it says" The reserve price was not met" so the reserve was a lot more,o well i will keep looking,thanks

markanda

08-18-2004, 05:41 PM

I was shocked that it was a reserve type auction....once I saw you bidding I was not going to bid against you.....I was told that ahobbies.net has them and the cost to the LHS on the OS LD 12 or 15 was only 77 bux so people are really trying to make a buck on us fw-04 lovers of that LD engine. I still have one NIB, a .15 too but i have been enjoying looking at it in the box and dont want to install it. I had a runaway this past weekend with my FW-04 that had a cvrx in it and now it is time for me to open the fw-04 special i have NIB and use the remainder of this past weekend for parts. I also have the HD Diffs, Carbon Fiber Upper deck, High Perfmormance chassis and sway bars......only thing i need now is the four stroke kit ..(kidding, but dont tell wife)....anyway let the search continue

Mark

jakestreats

08-19-2004, 01:48 PM

hi thanks for info is it www.ahobbies.net because i can not get anything on my computer with this address would you have a link thanks.

jakestreats

08-19-2004, 02:08 PM

hi Mark found it under www.ahobbies.com and have ordered five of them at 77 each ,have saved loads of money and time.
Some times its not what you know its who you know.

I will see what i can do about a four stroke engine for you, give me a few months and i will build one out of my spares for you .
I know this has nothing to do with kyosho supertens but anyone know where i can get a cheepish new losi LST.
Also have finished my fw04 with .21 engine should have had the .46 in it but if you look at my webpage you will see its nearly inpossible to fit it .....the engine is just tooooo BIG...

evilGearhead

09-08-2004, 01:18 PM

ah crap, looks like i missed out on the cheap motors at ahobbies.com . theyre out of ld 15s

you bought five of them jakestreats? like to sell one?

jakestreats

09-10-2004, 03:32 PM

HI I,VE not got them yet ,will let you know when i get them,thanks

Old_School_RC_1

09-13-2004, 09:53 PM

Hey, I gotta get in on this! I have a super10 and just picked up an FW04 before they stopped selling them new, and i love them both! My super10 was my first gas car, and taught me a few lessons indeed. :-)
My fw04 is still fairly stock except for as OS CV.15 and full tuned exhaust and swaybars. Mr super10 has been loaded to the gills, viscious coupling (oh so sweet!) and 2 speed - all kinds of crap. Both a wicked fast and handle great! I plan on rebuilding the super-ten while i can still find parts on tower hobbies and stock up now.
Does anyone have a part number or know which parts set the rear body mount came with? (super10) - i have plenty of posts, but the mount broke and i haven't had any luck finding a new one to this point. I could rig one up, but i'd like to keep it as close to stock as possible.....
oh, and HPI = crap - sorry, but kyosho's have so much better build quality....but the bodies are nice though and sooo much cheaper!

evilGearhead

09-18-2004, 03:07 AM

will someone sell me an ld 15 ? new, used, blown up, any condition will do.
anrkii@yahoo.com

L-S-C

09-21-2004, 10:54 PM

Dan H

09-25-2004, 01:08 PM

Fairly easy to tune. Doesn't run "too" hot. Just set it rich and it'll be ok. Don't waste your money on the cooling head since the engine is pretty much worthless. When it dies, buy a nice OS or Nova. :)

Old_School_RC_1

09-26-2004, 10:56 AM

Hi. My FW-04 special should be arriving this week and im just wondering what to expect from the GS15R motor it comes with? I know its not going to be a speed demon, but I was just wondering if it is fairly easy to tune? Does it have a tendancy to run hot? Would the optional cooling head be a good investment for it? thanx

Jon

mine ran pretty good once broken in - definitely not a speed demon, but not too bad, especially with the 2-speed. due to the small head, you want to keep it a little on the rich side and you'll be fine.

jakestreats

10-02-2004, 04:57 PM

hi got this on ebay at the moment,have a look
NEW RARE kyosho SuperTen GP Four II .26 4-Stroke Item number: 5924610478
thanks

Tjappie

10-02-2004, 06:02 PM

I have a FW-04 Special edittion for sale in Holland. It has the gold chassis, carbon upperdeck, Universals front and rear, Hi-ratio diffs, carbon steering-plate, Turnbuckle steeringlinks, 1 set white 5 spoke wheels with Radials, 1 set silver 18-spoke wheels with K-Zero slicks, Murcielago body painted blue in excellent condition, crappy NSX body (my first body I painted).
The car has no electronics, no engine and no center gearbox (no spurs and shaft), but the original engine can be included.
The car hasn't run much and is in excellent condition, some hop-ups are still new.
I'm willing to ship worldwide, but I don't know how to do it :(

evilGearhead

10-04-2004, 03:58 AM

got any 15 lds for sale, jakestreats?
i have an fw04, and a tamiya tgr that could use them

pleaseletmeon34

10-04-2004, 01:31 PM

jakestreats

10-05-2004, 01:56 PM

hi evilGearhead not seen then yet!!!!!

Dan H

10-19-2004, 06:51 PM

Just wanted to pass the word out that there is a thread in the "new stuff from Chicago" forum about a new OS .26 4 stroke engine coming out. Pics are there too.

If its significantly faster than my current FS .26, I will sell my .12LDX and .15LD engines. :)

markanda

10-20-2004, 02:23 AM

jakestreats

10-21-2004, 03:54 PM

hi all many thanks for the link,so is the new .26 anygood? and where can you buy one from.What about a .30 fs???

SimonP

10-26-2004, 12:21 PM

markanda

10-26-2004, 12:42 PM

Hi all,
Apologies if this is the wrong place for these questions but I've looked all over the site and it appears to be correct. I built a Kyosho SuperTen something in March 2001 (after a bad motorbike accident left me bedridden for a while). I'm not too sure of the exact model, but I've been able to source parts for it recently quoting the chassis as the FZ1 with an FZ2 upper deck as std. Its running a Kyosho GT .15 ? IIRC, which i have to keep ordering new clutches for :), oh and I have the Fina BMW McClaren shell on it.
Basically, I love the car, I've just rebuilt the engine and its running sweeter than I can ever remember, after its been sat on a shelf for 18mnths. Now I'm getting the bug again :-) and I want more. So, lots of the stuff I see on ebay is for PureTen GP's etc etc. How interchangable are are the other Kyosho *Ten series parts/bodyshells with the SuperTen ones ? I don't think I have the FW04 as the pictures of the chassis and fitment of other bits don't look like mine at all.
So I think Im after lots of info on what I can do with the base SuperTen, basically :-)

Thanks
Si.

Where do you want to start ? There are many hop ups still available @ Tower hobbies and some others once in a while on EBAY. I still collect the FW04 and run in frequently. I have done everything except the viscous connector and the four stroke. Anti sway bars are essential and the Carbon fiber upper deck is great to have. I have the HD Diff gears and the high performance Chassis which i had the gold adonizing removed and it is now polished alum. So, where do you want to start ? (this is based on my fw-04)

Mark

SimonP

10-27-2004, 07:55 AM

Thanks for the reply Mark. Well after a bash in the office carpark at lunch I now need some new wheel nuts (one and its nut dissapeared of into the distance... got the wheel back, but no nut). But my main driver (bad pun, sorry :) ) behind this question was the influx of stuff for the PureTen GP Alpha on ebay.co.uk right now, especially the 2-speed transmission kit ( http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&rd=1&item=5928758215&ssPageName=STRK:MEWA:IT ) and its suitability for my car. The same guy is selling a shell and I wondered if that fits (I know the superten uses the supersize shells and choice is limited).
I have now found the original build instructions, parts list and exploded view for my caar and I can confirm that its a SuperTen GP.

Cheers
Si

jakestreats

10-27-2004, 04:33 PM

hi simonp ,i have ordered 3 2 speed gearboxes from my supplier and i can get them for 42 dollors plus post each .do you live in england as i do and post will be cheeper,i have a few supertens myself with the four stroke .26 in them,let me know if you are interested,thanks jake

SimonP

10-27-2004, 05:54 PM

Hi Jake.
I do indeed live in the UK, and would be very interested a gearbox from you. I don't suppose you know where I can source a 4-stroke and all the bits required to fit to a superten ? Please feel free to PM / email or msn me.

Cheers
Si

jakestreats

10-28-2004, 05:43 PM

hi simon have sent you a msn message ,yes i have all the parts 10 times over,thanks

SimonP

10-28-2004, 06:04 PM

I found out today that its not just the nut that was mssing from the wheel that fell off, but the hex nut that fixes the wheel to the axel, providing drive. "Oh balls" I thought.
Later on, while on a particularly boring conference call, I decided to give the car a good clean up and service, including the recoil starter (which has allways been a bit dodgy) and managed to snap the damn spring. "Oh balls" I thought again.... well ok tbh it was a lot worse than that :-)
So off I toddle to the local model shop to order both since neither are stock items, "balls balls balls". Spent the afternoon convincing myself I need an HPI Savage with Truckzilla .46 conversion :-)
I didn't get a msg from you Jake, but I did see you request authorisation, so I'll try to catch you when I see you come online next, if thats ok.

Cheers
Si

evilGearhead

11-03-2004, 01:54 PM

OS .15ld engines wanted, in any condition.
will pay good money

contact me:
anrkii@yahoo.com

pleaseletmeon34

11-03-2004, 02:26 PM

Have you tried to contact OS? They still list this engine in there current lineup.

Just wondering, what's the fascination with this engine?

Lost Racer1

11-03-2004, 06:05 PM

How many year differences of Super10's are there? My co-worker just gave me his, but its like from 99...I was curious as to how I can find out what model it is...

Thanks

Dan H

11-03-2004, 06:20 PM

Have you tried to contact OS? They still list this engine in there current lineup.

Just wondering, what's the fascination with this engine?

None of my hobbyshops in my area and mail order places can get them in, even when asked for special request.

Fascination? Mostly rare/discontinued. :D But does help in handling.

Dan H

11-03-2004, 06:23 PM

How many year differences of Super10's are there? My co-worker just gave me his, but its like from 99...I was curious as to how I can find out what model it is...

Thanks

Hey Lost Racer! I think I met you at Delta a few years ago at a race.

Anyways, yours is recent so its either the FW03 or FW04. Not sure when the FW04 came in. But there are a few pics posted up in the forum. FW04 has 100cc tank with white lid (curved on bottom) while the FW03 had a 75cc tank with red lid. Easiest way to tell.

Lost Racer1

11-04-2004, 06:52 PM

Hey Lost Racer! I think I met you at Delta a few years ago at a race.

Anyways, yours is recent so its either the FW03 or FW04. Not sure when the FW04 came in. But there are a few pics posted up in the forum. FW04 has 100cc tank with white lid (curved on bottom) while the FW03 had a 75cc tank with red lid. Easiest way to tell.

Yup! Thats me! I haven't been out in awhile and ended up selling most of my cars :(..I'm slowly trying to weasel my way back in ;) Thanks for the info. I'll check it out when I get home tonight.

Lost Racer1

11-05-2004, 02:00 PM

Looks to be the FW03...Are parts still available for it?? What other parts will work on it? How about bodies?? I'm going to look through the last 25 pages and see if anything really pertains to me :p :)

SimonP

11-10-2004, 11:48 AM

So I order some SuperTen Drive Washers which I beleive to be correct... (Part no FZ073 IIRC) the things arrive, and they are about twice the thickness of the ones I need and about 3mm too wide. Bugger.

I assume they are FW04 drive washers, and I need std SuperTen GP ones.
Anyone got the part #s handy (all they are labelled as on my exploded view doc are "OT-19") ? or want some FW04 drive washers ? :rolleyes:

Si.

pleaseletmeon34

11-10-2004, 04:20 PM

OT19 is the part #. Tower has them in stock $4.49. I had a super10 comp. III. That had a steel version of the ot19 on it. I'll see if I have the number.

92636 in stock $4.99 for the steel

Lost Racer1

11-11-2004, 11:28 AM

SimonP

11-11-2004, 12:08 PM

LostRacer1: I know my Superten GP 4wd is a 280mm wheelbase and can use the HPI Supersize 280mm bodies here -> http://www.modelsport.co.uk/?CallFunction=Category&CategoryID=501035

But I'm unsure as to which "FW" model it is to be honest :-)

Si.

SimonP

11-11-2004, 12:11 PM

OT19 is the part #. Tower has them in stock $4.49. I had a super10 comp. III. That had a steel version of the ot19 on it. I'll see if I have the number.

92636 in stock $4.99 for the steel

DOH!, thanks for the clarification. oh well. I have since found the parts I need in the UK, but thanks for pointing it out :-)

On a side not. Since the rebuild I'm having massive trouble tuning the engine on my superten. Its racing like mad with a tiny idle opening in the carb and then stalls when throttle is applied. I guess this is an indication of it running too lean but does anyone have a nice easy guide to tuning it ? Its the std Kyosho engine with "GT" stamped on the side (with the red pullstart) that came with the car (square heat sink).

Cheers
Si.

(Jake - sorry I've not called you ragarding the 2 speed stuff you have, but I've got more fundamental issues with the car atm :-( ).

Dan H

11-11-2004, 06:53 PM

SO is the weheelbase 200 or 280?? I saw someone used an HPI SN Vette body earlier, but tower has a 200mm NSX body thats suppose to work..I'm a bit confused now..:(

Where in the line of Super10's does the compatibilty factor drop off? FW03>FW04>FW05? Any help is greatly appreciated..thanks

Simon's right, its 280mm. I'm the one who used the 300mm Vette body but trimmed the wheel wells differently for the shorter wheelbase.

FW05 = 1/10th scale :( I don't think many parts are interchangeable between FW03/FW04 except for maybe some drivetrain parts/upgrades.

Lost Racer1

11-12-2004, 07:12 PM

bah. :(

SimonP

11-18-2004, 06:44 AM

so after going through 2 pullstarts in a week (4 in total), I've given up with the damn things. After hours of searching, I've ordered one of these -> http://www.sullivanproducts.com/StarterAccessoriesMainFrame.htm

Its a TigerDrive system, bit like the HPI Rotorstart thing but since you can change the angle of the starter, ie from above, it should fit in the car.

Anyone tried it in a SuperTen yet ?

Si.

lostinspace

11-27-2004, 01:06 AM

Hi Guys,
I'm a new member and I hope you don't mind me joining in at this point. You guys are real lifesavers !!!
I posted to other forums during Autumn (Fall) and had just about given up on the Superten Series and was seriuosly considering 'downscaling' to 1/10 scale (which just didn't seem right) because I thought I was all alone in the world (sob). All of a sudden I came across Jakestreats web page whilst doing a search for the Four II special and then I got linked to this forum and here you all are - my heros, my saviours. I'm glad to see that I'm not the only one out there who's totally lost and doesn't know what to do.

Here's my situation:
I purchased a Superten (#31602GT) Porsche 911 GT1 in Blighty (UK) in 1999. I didn't buy any hop-ups at that time (should haveat least got the 2 speed).
The car went into storage in 2001 at which time I moved to the good 'ol US of A. Now, I finally managed to reclaim the love of my life this summer (wife wasn't happy about that!) and I took it out of its box for the first time in years.
Just looking at it made me want to upgrade instantly. But its been out of production for dont know how many years and I'm not even sure of which chassis it is (FW-03? Dan H the fuel cap is red and its a 75cc tank) although it does have a single speed tranny coupled to the GT15S-CR engine.

I even tried e-mailing Kyosho (no answer), Great Plains (responded but didn't seem to know what they were talking about as they said the only parts available are the carbon upper deck and a couple of others items since which time I've scoured the net for parts and found that Tower have a few more parts available). I LOVE my superten and i want to pamper it as much as possible (given limited funds) but i'm not sure which parts I can fit as most parts don't mention my particular model as being suitable to receive the parts listed on Tower. I think this is the same problem that Simon P came across.

I've got so many questions that I don't know where to start!

1. Is it really worth spending huge amounts on this chassis or should I upgrade to the (also) discontinued FW-04 or even the Superten Four II (which is how I came across this forum)?
2. Can I fit FW-04 parts to my chassis?3. Are parts for easily available for the FW-04?
4. If I stick with what I have, then I really want to upgrade to a 2 speed but the one offered by Tower is different to the parts listing on Kyosho's website? Same applies to many parts
5. What about a different engine? Should I re-build myone or should I just spend the money on a different one? I've seen OS mentioned a few times reading through the posts but to tell the truth, I'm still at square one. (I'm not a club racer but rather a street racer so off the line grunt as well as top speed are important to me). Can I ever get this to go 60+ mph?
6. Which muffler/Tune pipe can I fit. Again will parts for other chassis's fit or is this related to the engine only?
7. Tyres/wheels/ suspension upgrades/ foam bumpers - same question - Can I use parts for other models if I can't get parts for mine? (EG Foam bumper if not available for mine so what should I use?).
8. I have upgraded the servos to Hitec's (from the supplied Futaba's), Should I do anything with the receiver?
9. I've read about grease and lubes and silicone oils for shocks and for the diffs (these will have to wait for another time) - where the hell do i start !!! :confused:

I'm thinking of dismantling the whole car and re-building it from scratch to a) clean it out b) upgrade certain parts anyway. Perhaps i'll learn more about the car that way.

I hope you guys can help. I really want to do something with my car now and I may even purchase another one! Jakestreats do you have a ST Four II forsale?

Thanks guys.

PS. Jakestreats - I'm extremely impressed (and a little envious - alright - a lot!)
PPS: I'm really sorry about the long post but I just had to let it all out ! - won't happen again.

Dan H

11-27-2004, 02:26 AM

Yeah, the FW03 (SuperTen) is the one you have since in 1999, the FW04 wasn't out.

1) Depends what you want to do with it. If you're just messing around, you don't really need to upgrade. But its nice having a newer, better handling, and up to date car. Much more parts and upgrades are available for the FW04 if you want to upgrade it. For racing, definitely go with the FW04. Sometimes you can find the kit really cheap on eBay. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=49213&item=5936222621&rd=1&ssPageName=WDVW

Theres one for example.

2) I don't think the suspension parts are interchangeable. Neither the chassis or upper deck either. Probably only some drivetrain parts will be compatible. Parts aren't usually easy to come by for Kyosho but Tower still carries lots of parts/upgrades for the FW04.

4) Not sure about the compatibility as I've never had a Superten. Maybe someone on this forum can help ya out.

5) Don't waste your money with the stock engines. Its slow and runs hot. You can get yourself a nice .12CVR-.18CVR, or even the new .18TZ rear exhaust engine that claims 2 horses! With some tall 2 speed gearing and a fast engine, I'm sure you can hit 50+ mph.

6) Almost any pipe fits. Just make sure the pressure nipple is not upside down since our engines are mounted on the other side.

7) I use Kyosho wheels with HPI SNRS4 tires. They are easy to find and HPI offers a wide selection. I personally use the C10-30's. Most 1/10th shocks fit. I have 1/8th onroad Phantom shocks on mine. I use a GT4 foam bumper. A HPI SNRS4 one will work too if you setup something to hold it down.

8) Don't worry about the receiver.

9) Some people use different thickness depending on track setup. You can use buggy diff oil ranging from 1,000WT-7000WT usually. I just use a small amount of Yokomo hard diff grease in front and medium in the rear. The Yokomo grease doesn't leak as easily.

Well, I hope that helps. Glad to see another Superten owner.

And yes, jakestreats has a sweet setup. :D

lostinspace

11-27-2004, 11:24 PM

Thanks for the lightning reply Dan.

I want to keep my Superten but i'd like to upgrade it because, as you say, it's great to have a nicer newer better handling car even if i'm only messing around. However, this depends on the cost of doing so as compared to buying a newer 'upgraded' model. For example the 2 speed for mine is $150 from Tower where as I can almost get a fw-04 with a 2 speed for that price!
What happens if i buy an fw-04 - will i still be able to get parts a few years down the road?

How much is it worth upgrading mine? In other words, if i'm using regular components, is it friutful changing, say, the steering center plate to carbon fiber when the rest of the steering system is 'regular' or if I'm using regular plastic suspension parts, is it worth putting in Titanium suspension shafts or stainless steel wheel shafts ? Will performance change a great deal?

Which parts is it always worth keeping in hand (even if not upgrade parts) due to high wear or likely breakage? This is so that I can get them now and keep them (if available).
I am definitely thinking of changing the clutch shoe to a 'Vespal' unit (as I partially burnt mine out previously). I assume I need a shift clutch shoe (for a 2 speed). But the Vespal doesn't seem to be a 'shift' one?
I'm also thinking of changing the front diff to a One Way - is this a good idea for fast takeoff on straights? How will this affect cornering ability?

If I change the engine and tranny (which is what i'm thinking to do) and I achieve a higher top speed:
1. Is it worth getting a stainless steel clutch bell?
2. Do I really need to upgrade the bevel gears to the harder steel ones ?
3. What about a hardened diff case F and R ?
4. Is a carbon deck any use. I know its stiffer but does it improve performance noticeably ?

Dan, what make are the engines you mention - OS? Whats the difference between them ?
Whats the biggest bore/cc engine I can put in there (Jakestareats has put a .21 in his superten.) ?
You say the new .18TZ gives 2HP but does just having a pure increase in HP necessarily lead to a greater top speed? If a .12 offers the same output as a .15 or .18, what's the point in going to a larger bore and heavier weight engine?

Can you explain the gearing principle to me. I assume I have to change the spur gears on the 2 speed as well as on the clutch bell? How do I know which will go with which to achieve what I want (off the line grunt as well as top speed) ?

If I change to a tuned exhaust for the existing GT15s-cr engine, can I use this later when I change the engine to a different make?

Dan which car do you have? You say you've never had a superten?
When you talk about shocks - which chassis are you mounting them on?
Are you saying I can use most 1/10th or 1/8th shocks on mine?

Other minor items such as antenna holders, fuel filters, tubing, foam bumper etc, I can get hold of or use other manufacturers ones so i'm not concerned about these as much.

Does anybody know whether the fw-04 'regular' 2 speed tranny is compatible with my fw-03 chassis ?

BTW, what's the difference between the fw-04 and the superten four II?

Another lost post ...sorry!
:confused: :o :confused:

lostinspace

11-27-2004, 11:36 PM

Jake,
do you have a 2 speed for my car - a fw03 chassis ?

cheers
Sohail

jakestreats

11-28-2004, 05:16 AM

Hi lostinspace :D ,i do have one (i think)do you live near to me ? i live in shoreham by sea in sussex ,i have a lot of good used parts which you can have for free and hopefully we can make up a 2 speed box for you :rolleyes: I am not much good at typing so i will send you my telephone number and you can phone me(i am always happy to help anyone in r/c world but like you i get all my information from all the guys on this forum :D .
Everything i have on my site is for sell ,i just sold two of my superten fours 11 for 430 and 375 pounds ,i have one left which i would like to keep but if someone realy wanted it i would not turn down 495 pounds ,I am on Msn messanger under my Email address ,thanks
Keep up the good work everyone i always read this forum when i am at work ;)
jake

jakestreats

11-28-2004, 09:56 AM

Simonp hi,

how did the TigerDrive system anygood ?

lostinspace

11-28-2004, 07:15 PM

Jake,
I've just e-mailed you

Dan, I'm sorry about another long post but I hope it makes sense.

I'm stripping my car down and re-building/cleaning/upgrading at the same time.

Dan, I'd really like to know about the engines you mentioned (as well as your views on all the other questions in my last post).
Thanks

Sohail
:)

Dan H

11-29-2004, 02:51 PM

Theres a cheaper 2 speed unit that should be under $60. As for parts, I wouldn't worry about it too much. Our cars are really durable and the FW04 is not "that" old. I would imagine FW03 parts are getting more scarce, but I'd bet its safe to say that the FW04 parts will still be easy to locate within the next few years.

Don't worry about all the other minor upgrades. I think the biggest changes you can make to your car are good tires, 2 speed, new engine, and adjustable shocks/spring set.

As for wear and tear parts, I recommend getting a few dogbones, 1 or 2 axles, bumpers, and a spare hinge pin set. Maybe a few steering end connectors too and extra spur gears in case you strip one.

The vespal clutch shoe set is a good upgrade. You don't need one for the 2 speed gears since it already has a finger type hub.

I haven't personally tried a one way in the FW04 but might try it since the car understeers too much for my liking. I ran a one way in my Yokomo GT4R with foam tires. It will give you more steering but you only have rear brakes so you have to be more gentle when you enter turns and change your driving style. I'm sure it will be a bit tougher with rubber tires and an unprepped surface.

I'll answer the rest of the questions later. Got to goto class now. ;)

Dan H

11-29-2004, 06:34 PM

1) Don't worry about the clutchbell. Just use the one supplied with the car or with the 2 speed gear set. They have removable pinions anyways.

2) Not necessary. I know a guy who runs the hell out of his .15CVR with stock diffs and they hold up fine. I would only imagine that you would need it if you run a high powered .21+ engine.

3) Again, not necessary unless you plan to run like an RB C5 or something. :D

4) Not really necessary. I bought mines mainly for looks and slightly lighter than the aluminum deck but you won't notice it at all when you're driving it. Spend the money on more valuable upgrades.

The engines I mentioned are from the OS lineup and come in different displacements. And you're right, its possible to have a high powered and more expensive .12 engine that beats the performance of a low end .15 engine. The weight difference is minimal for the smallblocks (.12-.18.) Its only when you get up to the big blocks (.21+) is when it has an effect on drivability since they weigh a bit more and have more power/torque.

Gearing is simple. The more number of teeth on the spur + the less number of teeth on the clutchbell equal better low end acceleration. The less teeth on the spur + more teeth on clutchbell will give better top end speed at the expense of low end speed. If you have a high power/torque engine, it can pull the taller gears with ease.

Yeah, you can get a tuned exhaust for your current engine and use it on your next engine.

I have an FW04 so I'm not too familar with the FW03. I have 1/8th onroad Phantom shocks on mine but its not that much different. I've seen people use HPI and Yokomo. V-OneR shocks too on these cars. Just use whatever shocks that are similar in size and fitment.

Lost Racer1

11-29-2004, 09:39 PM

I have an FW04 so I'm not too familar with the FW03. I have 1/8th onroad Phantom shocks on mine but its not that much different. I've seen people use HPI and Yokomo. V-OneR shocks too on these cars. Just use whatever shocks that are similar in size and fitment.

I was going to ask the same questions on the shocks for my FW03. Nice post Dan.

lostinspace

11-30-2004, 12:22 AM

Dan,

What are the engine sizes and outputs for 4 strokes?

Yeah, you can get a tuned exhaust for your current engine and use it on your next engine. Do 4 strokes use the same exhaust systems as the 2 strokes?
In fact, come to think of it, how are they lubricated...do they have a sump and an oil res?... I assume they're air-cooled ?.......
What are their advantages (apart from more realistic sound)...greater torque/hp?

I assume that if a big block (,21+) OR a 4 stroke is used, then the internals have to be beefed up. For example, bevel gears, clutch etc.
This also suggets that a bi-block CAN be used on the supertens/fw-04 in the first place !!! I thought this was a NO-NO.

The vespal clutch shoe set is a good upgrade. You don't need one for the 2 speed gears since it already has a finger type hub.
What difference does a finger type hub make? The clutch bears the brunt of the power transfer... so does it not make sense to beef this up if upgrading the engine?

Gearing is simple. The more number of teeth on the spur + the less number of teeth on the clutchbell equal better low end acceleration. The less teeth on the spur + more teeth on clutchbell will give better top end speed at the expense of low end speed. If you have a high power/torque engine, it can pull the taller gears with ease.
So how do you achieve better off-the-line pulling power as well as greater top speed? Does it means that one should use medium spurs and medium clutch pinions?

Thanks for the advice on the shocks. Noted

SimonP

11-30-2004, 11:00 AM

Simonp hi,

how did the TigerDrive system anygood ?

don't know yet, its still winging its way over from the USA. I'll let you know how I get on with it. I've since got myself an HPI Savage 25 to play with :-D

SI.

Dan H

11-30-2004, 06:08 PM

Whoa, whoa, whoa....easy on the questions man! ;)

Only .26 and .40 engines so far, for the 4 stroke engines. I haven't played around with pipes but 4 strokes tend to not respond to different pipes as well as 2 strokes do. They're air cooled and lubricated by the castor oil in the fuel. The only advantage is great torque, fuel mileage, easier to tune, and less noisy. Otherwise, a 2 stroke engine will blow by it on the straights.

No drivetrain beefing up needed with the 4 stroke. I run a stock drivetrain other than the $150 2 speed unit. BB .21+, I'm not too familar with how they hold up. I've seen them hold up fine with mild engines like the OS .21RG but haven't really seen anyone run something like an RB C5 for example.

Clutch type 2 speeds offer smoother shifting but no one makes it for our cars so we're stuck with the finger type.

Gearing will always be a compromise. You just choose what works best for you and what is acceptable in terms of top end and low end.

lostinspace

11-30-2004, 06:15 PM

Thanks Dan,
You've earned a vacation...No more questions until i've stripped down my car.
BTW, I did end up getting the FW-04 on ebay that you linked me with. Thanks

Regards

Dan H

12-01-2004, 06:19 PM

Thanks Dan,
You've earned a vacation...No more questions until i've stripped down my car.
BTW, I did end up getting the FW-04 on ebay that you linked me with. Thanks

Regards

Sweet deal. I was thinking of buying it but don't have any extra cash. :(

pleaseletmeon34

12-01-2004, 06:35 PM

Clutch type 2 speeds offer smoother shifting but no one makes it for our cars so we're stuck with the finger type.

Kyosho makes a clutch type 2 speed for both the super10 and the FW-04. Not sure if they are still avalible. I think I have them both. The original super10 2speed kit came with the clutch type second gear but in the instructions part numbers to make it a finger type if you wanted.

Dan H

12-01-2004, 07:38 PM

Wow, sounds cool. First I've heard of one. Hmm...wonder if you can still get it overseas.

lostinspace

12-01-2004, 10:31 PM

Any places we can search for parts overseas such as clutches/ 2 speeds etc ?

lostinspace

12-02-2004, 02:40 AM

I stripped down my stock engine last night and gave it a good clean etc.

I'm moving onto the shocks next. As there's no front way available for the fw-03 (not that I can find anyway), and the car understeers a lot, what can I do to the shocks ie oils, springs etc to resolve this?

What type of on-road rubber tyres should I use?

Can suspension and geometry changes eg camber ride height etc also be made to prevent understeer? How?

lostinspace

12-02-2004, 02:46 AM

Kyosho ECS Gear Unit Super 10
NOTES FROM OUR TECH DEPARTMENT
This is the Kyosho #FZW-19 ECS Engine Brake Cansel System (aka center
1-way assembly) for the SuperTen GP 4WD kits.

FEATURES: One-way system that allows the front wheels to pull the car
when the rear wheels lose traction
Also takes away the front braking effect for better control

Found this on Tower - anyone know whether this would act as a front one way? If not, what's its purpose?

lostinspace

12-02-2004, 02:51 AM

pleaseletmeon34

Automatic Centrifugal Clutch Shifting When The Engine RPM Increases

Is this what you were referring to?

lostinspace

12-02-2004, 02:52 PM

Can I fit the 2 speed from th fw-04 into my fw-03. I want to order this but i'm not sure it'll fit.

Old_School_RC_1

12-04-2004, 10:32 AM

Found this on Tower - anyone know whether this would act as a front one way? If not, what's its purpose?

Lostinspace, this is a center 1-way, it bolts on in place of the center spur gear. I'm not sure what tower is talking about, but what it does is removes all engine braking from the driveline.

When the engine revs up, the one way turns the rest of the drivetrain. When you let off the throttle and rpm's drop, the drivetrain spins along regardless of engine rpm, clutch engagement, etc and will keep rollling along unitl you clamp the brakes or speed up again (does that make sense?)

I have tried in on my SGP10 and it works pretty well, but did not make a whole lot of difference, but i did notice i got along the track a little quicker as turn-in was slightly improved....and the car will coast along FOREVER when you let off the gas, but i think it would depend more on your driving style as to whether it's worth it. Once i picked up the 2-speed, it went into my parts box.

I have looked into putting this into the front gearbox to act as a front one way, but you cannot bolt a diff gear to it, so in the center it stays.

Oh, and the price? Are you kidding me? $55 for a center spur gear w/1 way? not worth it in my opinion.

if you have not tried it, i recommend trying to track down the viscous coupling for the driveline. It's filled with thick silicone and alows a little slippage in the driveline and goes either in front or back of your spur gear and acts as a torgue splitter of sorts. I currently run mine between the spur and rear gearbox which makes the car all but impossible to spin out. The front wheels are connected directly to the spur, but the back wheels can "slip" a little bit which makes it a 60/40 ish split front and rear. I have tried it in the front, and the car was pretty tail happy as expected - much better in the rear.

my current set up is to run the front diff locked and the coupling in the rear and the car absolutely rockets out of corners with very little drama....

Hope this helps!

Old_School_RC_1

12-04-2004, 11:00 AM

..
Just looking at it made me want to upgrade instantly.

Alright Lostinspace, goung to answer a few questions here since i had the exact same ones a few years ago myself! :-)

My super-10 porche 911GT was my first gas car and i still love it to this day. As far us upgrades go, there are not many parts per-se out there, but you can still find some good ones or be creative to create new ones...

The FW-04 is very nice, but they share very few parts - i have one of each and i cannot use the wheels or center gears from my super-10 on my FW-04 - of the two, i prefer my super-10. since it is simpler, lighter, and i can put any wheel on it (HPI super wheels and tires fit and they ARE still in production)

The 2-speed made a huge difference - right now (12/4) it is on tower's "daily sale" - so it's coming down in price the one you want has green and white spur gears - it's pricey, but it's a good piece and really made a difference on my car. with that gearing, you should be able to get the speed you want. There may be more out there, but i am not aware of them.

As for engines, the sky (or budget) is the limit with that one. The car will pretty much go as fast as you can gear it as long as you have a powerful enough engine to push it there. Mine has an OS .15 and with the 2 speed probably hits around 50 on a good day. new engines are coming out and with 1.5 - 2 hp on tap from small block .18's which should drop in, you should have all the speed you need.

Tuned pipes are easy enough - i use an upgrade T-maxx aluminum header and pipe which works suprisingly well. there are plenty of headers out there that should fit, and nearly any pipe will do, just keep an eye out for where the pressure fitting is on the pipe in relation to the stinger(sometimes they can point down - not good) try test fitting one first.

Shocks can be tricky - standard touring shocks are too short for the rear, though you can make them work on the front. After my old shocks fell apart, I used duratrax gold 3" off road shocks in the back - they used to be kyosho gold shocks and bolt right on - just change over your pistons and springs and stuff. i use hot bodies touring shocks in front.

I also have the viscous coupling (on the previous post) and that is it for my upgrades. You can still get universals, but i have not bought them cause they are PRICY!

after that, i just spent lots of time driving - best thing you can do to go fast is know your car....hope that helps out!

lostinspace

12-04-2004, 04:58 PM

Old school RC 1,
Thanks for the info. I have a few questions:

1. Are you saying I CAN'T put the $60 fw-04 tranny on the superten? The S10 one is $144 !!!
2. my current set up is to run the front diff locked and the coupling in the rear and the car absolutely rockets out of corners with very little drama.... .
With the VC in the rear and locked front diff, is this the solution to the problem of understeer?
Given the Huge amount of understeer on the S10, how can this be resolved? I CAN get hold of a Front One Way for it (forgetting the center one way) as well as a V/Coupling? So what's the best way to set it up to at least minimise the understeer? stiffer springs at the frontsoft at the rear? tyres? VC? Front one way? a combination of all of these?
3. I'm looking at a .18 at the moment but i'm also considering the OS RG .21 - any views on this? will it fit? I'll buy the pipe after the engine.
4. Will the 2 speed clutch supplied with the tranny fit either of these engines? I was thinking of a Vespal clutch but Dan H thinks it's not necessary.
5. Would I need to upgrade the diffs to hardened steel if I go with a .21 motor?
6. Are Universals available for the S10 ?!?
7. How should I lock the front or rear diffs ? I heard someone say silicon sealant (from Home Depot?)?

PS do you know where I can get the steering unicrack servo saver parts as I managed to crack the left one (the one without the horn) when trying to get the shaft out (bearings were corroded) ? Can't find these parts on Tower.

Old_School_RC_1

12-04-2004, 08:49 PM

Old school RC 1,
Thanks for the info. I have a few questions:....

No problem Lost in space! To answer a few questions:

1. The shaft for the FW04 that the gear rides on is shorter than the one in the SGP10. The whole center gearbox section is different - i think it's about 1/4-1/2 ish inch smaller. What happens is since the shaft is too short, it doesn't seat all the way into the bearings and doesn't stick out far enough to bolt the outdrives on.

I tried to go the other way and put my SGP10 2sp into my FW01 but the shart is too long - i could have made it work by cutting the shaft, but then it wouldn't work for the SGP10....so it stayed in that car.

Having said that, you might be able to get it to work by shimming it up somehow, but I've never tried it.

By the way, i just got the $50 2-speed for my FW04 and it's kinda junky. WAY overpriced for what i got. Haven't driven it yet, so we'll see.

2.that's strange, mine did not seem to understeer bad at all, even before the mods with the stock set-up.
The VC really made a difference - if your car is understeering more than you want, put the coupling between the spur and front gearbox and you will really notice the back end getting more lively. it also affects braking too so you will notice the brake bias goes to the rear which should help rotate the car into the turns.
Also, try stiffening up the rear and loosening the front springs a little to give the front more grip. In addition, HPI makes a soft slick tire that grips like crazy - i have 4 on mine and it handles great. (and they're cheaper!)

3. A .21 would give you sick acceleration, and it can be done no problem, but you'd have to gear it higher if you want more top speed since they rev the save amount as a .15. The only thing about a .21 is it adds a ton of weight and raises the CG a lot and then handling suffers...i hear there's a new OS 18 out there that puts out slightly over 2hp - something like that would be perfect - high power with little weight penalty.

4. not sure offhand, not familiar with it.

5. proably a good idea - though not completely neccesary i think. I would just run the old ones till you break them, then upgrade - mine are going on 4 years old and are wearing nice. The same gearboxes were used in the QRC Ram and Baja Bug - they're pretty tough.

6. Yup, I thing tower has them both, - something like $38/pair though.

7. I cleaned out the diff real well and squished some silly putty in there - locks up the gears but is not permanant - just pull it back out. i haven't tried anything with silicone yet, but it looks like you can fill them, just be sure to seal them around the bevel gear. To help with understeer, fill the front with a really heavy silicone.

PS - No idea! :-) sorry ! guess try ebay if tower doen't have them..

BTW - I'll see what i can do to get some pics posted here....

Old_School_RC_1

12-04-2004, 08:55 PM

Oh, and silicone is like a thick oil that can be bought in the hobby shops in different viscosities. from about 1000w - to 30,000 wt. All you do is fill your diff with it - it's very thick and slows down the diff gears inside. it then acts as like a limited-slip.

You don't want to use silicone from a home depot or anything except as a sealant.

Dan H

12-04-2004, 11:13 PM

[QUOTE=lostinspace]

4. Will the 2 speed clutch supplied with the tranny fit either of these engines? I was thinking of a Vespal clutch but Dan H thinks it's not necessary.
[QUOTE]

I said the vespal clutch "IS" a good upgrade a few posts back. ;) The stock plastic clutch burns up easy.

lostinspace

12-05-2004, 10:43 PM

lostinspace

12-05-2004, 11:36 PM

Old_School_RC_1,

Thanks. Excellent stuff...

1. Noted. I'm gonna go with the proper 2 speed for the S10.
2. The VC really made a difference - if your car is understeering more than you want, put the coupling between the spur and front gearbox and you will really notice the back end getting more lively.
I don't understand the concept behing the VC. If it's meant to loosen (and by that I mean make less active) the drivetrain part it's on, then would not having it on the 'front' side (between center and front) mean that the front will be less responsive thereby making the understeer situation worse? If it's on the 'back', surely, it will loosen up the back whilst the front bites more especially if I have a front one way or lock up the front diff ???
3. Do you know where I can get details of this new OS engine as the only new engine I see on their website is the OS 18TM which puts out 1.6 bhp and seems designed for the Traxxas truck? Any idea what an Epic .18 is like?
4. Vespal clutch it is.
5. I'm gonna get some spares in anyway as parts are getting harder to find. Might as well get a set of hardened diff gears in as well. Tower list either the 2 gears with pin and separate pinions OR a set with the gears, pinions, case, final gear, final pinion gear etc. Is the latter necessary? I aasume I need two sets of whatever I decide for both front and rear?
I'll keep these as you say until the stock ones are worn.
6. Noted
7. I'll use silly putty instead of silicone to lock up the diffs (front ?- See 2 above). What about the Front One Way...or will using silly putty do the same job i.e. lock them up?

Would front/rear stabilizer bars affect steering and handling in corners or are they just to prevent the car from rolling over (ie anti-roll bars)? What I mean is would they affect the understeer situation? As such do they help??

Thanks

super_racer

12-06-2004, 03:05 AM

Hi people! havent posted in a while but im now geting back into racing and didnt know there were so many other superten owners out there!

Anyway, im from Australia (sydney to narrow it down) and there arent many super owners here anymore due to popularaty. i started modifying my fw-04 about 2 years ago then got serious with it as my club allows these cars to be raced with no limit to mods so i went all out ;)

i have a FW-04 special option (from tower hobbies) with;

OS .26 four stroke engine conversion
4 stroke HD clutch (as someone said before, the std clutch is f$@&n "useless")
titanium turnbuckles
team chassis
carbon top plate
v-one r shocks
sway bars f/r
viscous coupler (but dont use it)
cooling fan
ball diff
centre one way
2 speed
HD bell crank and v-one r servo saver
front uni's
tamiya low fuel indicator (works well!)
skyline R33 body

a most recent race i had at a length of 30mins i had 4 fuel stops and beat a fw-04 with a 12cvr engine by about 6 laps. the .26 is very reliable and never missed a beat! the other fw-04 with 12cvr had issues during the race like mixture and glow plug problems.

i'll get a pic of the beast up soon!

lostinspace

12-06-2004, 12:55 PM

Now here's a wierd thing.
Kyosho themselves list (under parts for discontinued models) the following 2 speed for the Superten (#31602 Porsche GT1)

KYOC 6179 - 39305 TWO SPD TRANS 1/10 4WD Optional

Yet everyone else lists the 2 speed as
KYOC 6162 - 39666-18H

HUH ???
Any ideas?

Lost Racer1

12-06-2004, 03:07 PM

Tower isn't the most reliable when it comes to Part numbers ;)

lostinspace

12-06-2004, 03:17 PM

Tower isn't the most reliable when it comes to Part numbers ;)

But it's not just Tower that lists the 2 speed as this number. The optional parts list at the back of my Kyosho Manual also says #39666 !!! Which to believe...
In any case, if what Kyosho list is correct, then the 1/10 2 speed will fit into the superten ?! and we have no need to buy a 'superten' 2 speed....
Kyosho also list the vespal clutch for my Superten (again as per website list and as per my manual) as #39671 which is the 1/10 GP vespal clutch ?!?

So it seems some 1/10 parts do fit the supertens.........

jakestreats

12-06-2004, 04:29 PM

hi super racer ,is your site up and running?

Old_School_RC_1

12-06-2004, 08:23 PM

Lostinspace, the correct Tower# for the SGP10 is LXV836 - the spur gears are green and white. The 2 speeds for the FW04 are LXSU18 (nice) and LXZH22 (cheap) The green and white 2 speed for the SGP10- is sweet indeed, but it is pricy.

for the understeering problem, when driving around the track, does in understeer going into the turn or when you accelerate out?

To explain the VC, it acts like a slipper, but only on 1 end of the drivetrain. Buy putting it in back, you lessen the torque to the rear wheels which makes them less likely to spin, especially coming out of a turn thereby keeping the back end planted - this would make un understeer problem worse.

instead, if you were to put in in the back, you'd have full torque going to the rear wheels, but the fronts would be not be pulling white as hard. Then the car is going to act RWD and the rear end is going to want to come around. That would make the car oversteer or loop out.

The new .18 was in the later rccar action, though i do not remember specificially what it was. I know the .18 CV-RX is pretty stong. I have the .15 and it has some serious nuts, so i can imagine the .18 is a screamer. with the right crankshaft, it'll bolt right in.

Good idea on the parts - i stocked up while i could. I just buy the gears parts as i needs them - they are still used in the tr-15 and nissan truck, so they'll be around for a while.

silly putty and the 1-way do 2 different things - the one way freewheels under braking while the putty does not. With the dront diff totally locked, you're car will push under braking - with the one-way, it should turn in much better.

roll bars can, help, but your shocks, springs, camber, toe-in make much more difference. give you quicker transitions thtrough turns be keeping the car level. i have them, and run soft in the front and medium in the rear. Seems like a good setup with what i have. but if you race on lots of bumps like a parking lot, you might want to take them off.

Old_School_RC_1

12-06-2004, 08:26 PM

Hi people! havent posted in a while but im now geting back into racing and didnt know there were so many other superten owners out there!
.. tamiya low fuel indicator ... (works well!)

sounds sweet super_racer. What the heck is a "tamiya low fuel indicator?" :-)

Dan H

12-06-2004, 11:48 PM

Would like to know too. ;)

lostinspace

12-07-2004, 12:18 AM

Old_School_RC_1

LXV836 from Tower is what i've ordered today as it's the same as my manual (but it differs from Kyosho's own {discontinued** parts list!).

My car understeers going into the turn.

I can understand the torque split but what i don't understand is the effect. If the VC is put in the back, then there's full power to the front and less to the rear...right?...so would not the front wheels grip better as a result and would the back not be more likely to come round/slide?
instead, if you were to put in in the back, you'd have full torque going to the rear wheels, You mean put it in the front..right?

silly putty and the 1-way do 2 different things - the one way freewheels under braking while the putty does not. With the dront diff totally locked, you're car will push under braking - with the one-way, it should turn in much better.
So rather than sealing the diffs, i'm better off installing a front one way (because sealing the front diffs will likely cause more understeer...unless of course i put a VC in the back) - is that right?

Will the new O.S. .18 TM engine which is designed for T-Maxx and Revo fit the supertens...and more importantly is it the right sort of engine? With on-road, we're looking for slide carbs with high rpm for low down grunt and top speed (at least for road racers rather than tourers).
The .18 TM has an IPS-type crankshaft to fit the stock clutch and flywheel from the T-Maxx... Will this affect the 2 speed installation?
The Traxxas EZ Start 2 or a Traxxas pull-starter are a direct fit on the .18 TM. Sounds promising...any engine I buy must either have a pullstart or be convertible to an easy/roto start system of some sort because I loathe starterboxes!
Any inf