my cessna ep 180 won't fly

[jetskier23]

Hello, I have a Kyosho ep cessna plane and it doesn't fly that well all it wants to do is fall to the ground...Is this plane mean't for taxi takeoffs or throwing into the air(which ive been doing)??
Whenever I ive tryed to put it on the ground it dosen't roll...I have cracked the foam tail body but fixed it...I have a hitec 3 channel radio (one stick)...Please help me,I am new to this thanx...:confused:

[2NG]

I have a Kyosho EP cessna plane and it doesn't fly that well all it wants to do is fall to the ground.

1) Do you have enough power, battery is getting a good charge? Same voltage or closer?

2) Do you have your CG in the dot?

3) Elev. Control correct? Down/UP Up/Down?

4) Is the weather clam for you first flight?

5) Recheck you manual.

Is this plane mean't for taxi takeoffs or throwing into the air(which ive been doing)??
What have you been doing? Both? ROG and hand launching? Either way, if your plane is balanced it will take off the ground leaving behind it's paint:cool:


Whenever I ive tryed to put it on the ground it dosen't roll This plane flew then? Or you were trying to ROG it? If it's on the ground your safe for crashes :D

I have cracked the foam tail body but fixed it...
Try Probond, works great with foams, light weight, flexible, and you can sand it.

I have a hitec 3 channel radio (one stick). What's the recommended channels to use?

Please help me,I am new to this thanx...
Welcome to Eflight:)

2NG

[jetskier23]

The plane is fully charged when I go to fly it...I've tryed to experiment by putting it on the ground it did'nt work,I use 6 cell battery packs one at a time in it..It says on the manual that it uses 2-3 channels...So is there any way to make this plane to taxi at all??The elevators work just fine...I have always have tryed to fly it in good weather...I think the motor is a 550 electric motor...My plane is all foam but when the battery is in its heavy,could I use a smaller battery??The plane is just sitting at this time because I do not want to ruin it...:confused:

[2NG]

I've tryed to experiment by putting it on the ground it did'nt work,I use 6 cell battery packs one at a time in it..

I would guess that you have a wieght problem. If you tried it on the ground, does it run? are you directing it towards the wind?

EP180 and your motor is 550 isn't that too heavy, or that's the brand of the 180motor (550) If your airplane is 180EP and your motor is 550, you got some whieght issues. Look deeper in the manual for more info, you must have missed something.

6cell, what mAh? Is it for the plane?

Don't put just put in the ground, run it...:D

[2NG]

The plane is fully charged when I go to fly it Man you got me all confused, so, you flew this plane then, and it fly, but you just can't run on ground for take off:D

[jetskier23]

The plane was on when it was on the ground, I use 1500 batterys one is a dynamite and the other is speed something....I threw it afew times into the wind then "bang" it crashes...The manual is corny it only tells you how to build it....

[2NG]

I went to see the manual online, and your plane's specifications are right. I've seen a local flyer flew this plane, stock and it flew preety good, he flew it stock like what you have now. The airplane is a good trainer.
When you first crashed it, you didn't put too much glue did you?

For stock airplanes, they tend not to ROG (your in your case taxi)
Give it a good toss. Your stock 7x4 I don't think it will ROG, try 9x6e prop.
Your plane can fly. I have seen one fly. Stock, hand launch the plane though.
Props, If you are using 7 cells, the 7X5 APC and 8x4 APC-E are both options. The 8x4 E gives a decent climb rate with models of that size and weight on 7 cells. If you are going with 8 cells, then look at using a 7x5, and the Kyosho props are very good. Doesn't it come with a Kyosho 7x5?

The review on it is fantastic. Is this your first plane? Just be patient, and don't try to ROG in your first flight. try hand launching. Also change the props.

[jetskier23]

I think it is ya I think so..Ya this is my first plane...I epoxyed it I am not sure how much I used...So you need to just launch it straight right,you don't have to run with it right??Where ismy finger on the control up or down??

[2NG]

hehehehe :D Your finger should be in the elevator stick. Make an imaginary flight plan: When you go down on the control, the flaps should go up, when you push down the elevator goes up. COOL:D Here check this out. I'm learning too, like you:p

[Fred]

jetskier23:
Your best bet is to take your plane to a hobby shop or to a flying feld and have someone look at the plane. Someone else might see something that you missed.
Good Luck
Fred

[Dave Robelen]

Hi Jetskier23,
A few words about technique. The model must have airspeed to fly. Since you are nrew to this, the best way to launch is to hold the plane level highand beside you, and run until you feel lift from the wings. Done right, the airplane will simply fly out of your hand. Trying to throw a relatively heavy model is tricky, you may not be giving it enough airspeed, or throwing it at the wrong angle.
If you hold the transmitter horizontal, put your thumb on top of the stick, and your index finger around the front. Pulling back on the stick will be elevators up = climb, pushing forward is the opposite, down elevator =dive.
By all means get local help if you can manage it, someone looking things over directly can spot other problems.
Regards, Dave

[jetskier23]

When I put the battery in thats when it is heavy...does this plane do well when there is a breeze??See I am sorta confused,I get confused all the time can someone take this alittle slower with me...I am slow to get it...:confused:

[Dave Robelen]

Hi Jetskier,
A ways back you mentioned using 6-cell packs, and I believe 1500 mah. It is very likely that the battery is too heavy, and does not have enough cells. Almost all of these planes need at least 7 cells, but the amperage should be more like 750 mah. Doesn't the manual talk about the battery at all? It sounds like you are using a car battery, and that may be your problem.
The wind will not help any model to fly better, instead it can make it much more difficult for your first flights.
Take care, Dave

[2NG]

Jetskier,

Hello, yeah, I kind'a thought that too.I am sorta confused, I get confused all the time can someone take this alittle slower I too, have gotten confused of your airplanes problem. There is only one way to solve that problem, if you do good in school, do your task at home, and then convince your parents, that this hobby is what you like and your willing to pursue it. This hobby is by no means inexpensive. If you really want to fly, get a Firebird. I know there are flyer's in here think less of the Firebird as a trainer, the firebird in my opinion, teaches a new flyer, like yourself, the basics of flying, the fundamentals in how to's.

As Dave have noted to get help from a LHS, and I think you should subscribe in backyard flyer, Dave has articles in that magazines, that gives you a review on beginner airplane, as well, as expert reviews from other flyers. Research... Books, and magazine about modeling, like yourself, would be the Backyard Fyer.

I bought my nephew a Firebird, and love it. At first, questions were asked, due to his skills and knowledge. He crash ample of times, but as time progress and his skill he understood his own questions, he learned to fly the airplane, and is now moving into a more difficult one's, being 8 years old. He loves this hobby, due to the support that he gets. Get support from a grown up. If there is nobody around. Introduce yourself to a local hobby shop, they would be willing to help you.

You are having this problems due to the lack of knowledge, that you have in the science of flying. Take your time, take it slow, read the instruction thoroughly and carefully. Get a friend to help, get online and search for a flying club, and join.

Don't give up:( The questions, that you are trying to get answer too, is as confusing as your airplane.

When I put the battery in thats when it is heavy ------ I am sorta confused,I get confused all the time can someone take this alittle slower with me...I am slow to get it. Your not taking things step by step. Take things slow, it's okay to be slow, slow as to being careful, and willing to take time, and not in a rush to fly. The guys here, some are just learning and others an expert, will tell you that, by taking things slow, you won't miss anything, specially in this hobby. It took me a month to put a plane together.

Take your time ---- Take your time again and go over everything, like really go over everything. Give us a report, or better yet start a new thread. Don't let your airplane do things, that it doesn't wanna do ----Fly and ROG and do batteries all at the same time. You have what you need, I think, when you posted your first thread, you gave me a list down of your power plant.

READ THE MANUAL. I did. on line, and I don't even have this plane.:) Take your time my friend:)

[jetskier23]

Are you flying yet??I could really use some help...I think I got the wrong plane...I feel so stupid....Therefore I am depressed about it...Everything I get breaks...Hey do you know where Lodi is??I spend Wednesdays and sometimes the weekend down there do you think you could come help me??:(

[jetskier23]

2ng, I made my plane roll....Can you just stand and throw it or do you run with it,someone said just let it glide and then radio control it what do you say about it,gee I wish you could see my plane....:D

[2NG]

Read Dave's instructions on how to launch it, that's right, you can either run with it or throw it like a javalin into the air. Check out how I launch my plane in a windless day. For me to be able to pick up speed. I throw it like HELL:D Before I do that, I create an imaginary flight plan, of how the airplane should pick up, to avoid stalling while climbing out from the lauch.

Notice red. As she dive. I controll her up in her correct pattern, and back to as close to my imaginary flight plan.

[2NG]

Here's one more

[jetskier23]

oh so it is not straight when you throw it,you know I've tryed to fly that plane up like that, it dove...My friends and I took my plane to a school field and I had it flying, ok just a little, it turned and almost conked my friend in the head...But thats when my planes wing cracked and we had to go fix it...It always dives...My lightest battery is the speed master 1500 it still dives...I have been running it yesterday and today still though If I launch it I don't want to ruin it (you know what I mean)so...Is this a good plane for me really??I mean can it take off from the ground??

[Dave Robelen]

Hi Jetskier,
The fellow in the picture was mighty fortunate that the model did not flip over and nosedive. If you throw it by hand, try and aim for a spot about your same height ahead of you and give it a real healthy shove. I am still concerned that you have too heavy a battery. What does the instruction reccomend? It is very important to have both the right number of cells in the battery, and the proper mah rating. If the battery is oversize with too few cells, that will surely prevent any flights, and make the ground impacts much harder.
Regards, Dave

[jetskier23]

Dave,I just got done trying to fly it it does the same thing and everytime the landing gear comes off..crash crash...I had it straight and I threw it but nothing...I have a 6 cell 1500 and the manual says it recomends it...I think it also said 7 I am not sure and I lost the manual it was just a piece of paper.........

[Dave Robelen]

Hi Jetskier,
You really are having a tough run of it there. If there is a possibility that the manual called for 7 cells, that would make a big difference. We really need someone with personal experience with that particular model to step in and spell out the proper setup.
Regards, Dave

[jetskier23]

Ya could you get someone...The landing gear I just duck taped it,pretty soon it won't be anything if I can't get someone to help...Could I use maybe a 9.6 volt battery pack as used in the small vehicles my friend has one...I really don't know what to do....I am confused...Really bad now...Should I try to fly it again tonight or let it sit until you get someone?? My dad was going to take me to the school but I don't know...:confused:

[Dave Robelen]

Hi Jetskier,
Now is the time to let that poor bird sit and rest. I don't personally know anyone, but a lot of folks read these posts and the right guy will drop in real soon.
Hang in there, Dave

[jetskier23]

LOL!! tHAT WAS FUNNY...YOU SHOULD SEE IT...I GOT FOR XMAS AND NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAD A BAD HAIR DAY....HOW WOULD YOU HANG MY PLANE ON THE CEILING??

[2NG]

The fellow in the picture was mighty fortunate that the model did not flip over and nosedive.

I don't think it will nose dive. No way in the world it will dive:D being, that the wings has been extended and the right mixtures of speed. The wing area has been increase to 3" both sides, now if you notice sailplane flyers how they launched there craft it's no different, when you dealing with planes that are high in it's original configurations. You know as well, as I do how to lauch a high winged plane. Straight up like an arrow, and when it recovers, then you make your flight plan straight.

I am still concerned that you have too heavy a battery. I checked cessna's battery size and by his descriptions, it's the right batteries. Your good, with battery size Jet. Are you charging it right?

If the battery is oversize with too few cells, that will surely prevent any flights, and make the ground impacts much harder.
This is true, but also so, if the battery is also getting the right charge, the power should compensate. I flew a moth with a heavier battery than it recommendations, and it flew well. Airplane such as a foam's have a tendency to be picky, picky about the right power, that you put in.

Jet,

Right now, your best option is to get a new airplane, like a Firebird to fool around for a while, don't get discouraged, sorry to post the pics twice, this darn forum has it's glitches, Hey, Check out Ezone Magazine. The folks out there are quite helpful and knowledgeable than me.Ezone Magazine

2NG

[jetskier23]

2NG,I THINK I AM GOING TO PUT IT UP FOR AWHILE...I DON'T HAVE THE MONEY TO GET ANYMORE PLANES I JUST SPENT 250 ON THIS ONE...I NEED SOMEONE TO COME AND HELP ME FLY IT...IT CRASHED TODAY AND THE LANDING GEAR CAME SO IT IS NOW DUCK TAPED TOGETHER...I AM CONFUSED...:confused:

[2NG]

$250- I feel sorry for you my man:( Don't give up. Like I said check out Ezone Magazine, type it in. I was just on thier forum and searched for your plane, Man lot's of info.

LOL!! tHAT WAS FUNNY...YOU SHOULD SEE IT...I GOT FOR XMAS AND NOW IT LOOKS LIKE IT HAD A BAD HAIR DAY....HOW WOULD YOU HANG MY PLANE ON THE CEILING??LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Your just having a first bad flying experience Bud. Where is Lido anyways? Us, here by the Bay flies in Rancho San Antonio, Sometimes in Fremont California, I bet, that's too far for you. I was just up in Modesto for the fun fly day not to long ago, there where lot's of parkflyer flying that day. Bud, hang in there.:)

[jetskier23]

uh I am a girl flyer.....I always have problems....Lodi is located about a half anhour from modesto..do you know where stockton is?? Its not to far from there....You really need to see my plane..I will be in lodi tomorrow all day but I am not sure if you can come or not...Fremont is about a hour and half from me...

[2NG]

Come down here in Fremont, I'll show you how to fly and give you a tour at Sheldon's Hobbies..... I have a tigerMoth that can probably teach you how to fly

[Fred]

Hi Jetskier23;
The battery packs that you are using.are they the size of AA bat. or do they look like the bat. that are used in wire less phones. The bat. pack should only be an 1 1/8 inch wide and about 3 1/4 inches long that is a 6 cell pack. We will take this one step at a time.
Don't pack it up yet.
Fred

[jetskier23]

2ng, I can't get to fremont my dad is too busy and I can't drive because I get confused so,I thought maybe you could get to lodi,I will be down once again Saturday....My plane is on my floor,do you have airplane batterys??:D