RCPD 4WD Off-Road Buggy (TC3"O")

[microrcdude]

Mystracing, That is one great looking buggy!!

[Psychospaz]

Hey, i just got a TC3 and i was wondering where i can get the conversion? the link thats posted on here, isnt working for me, so could someone tell me the link? thanks.
I was gonna convert the XXX-s i have, into a XXX-4, but i decided that the TC3 would be more fun, and more uncommon. Muahahahaha, wait till the LHS gets a hold of me. lol
Thanks everyone.
-Matt:cool:

[MagicD]

You can purchase the kit directly from RC Product Designs http://www.rcproductdesigns.com/. They're in the process of manufacturing the 2.0 version of the kit, so if you can hold of for a bit (the RCPD guys could tell you more precisely how long) then you will get some nicer looking parts (e.g. 1 piece graphite shock towers, black suspension arms, graphite front brace, graphite driveshaft). But if you're like me you'll just want it NOW! I couldn't hold out so I recently purchased all the stuff I'll need for my TC3"O"+ custom mod conversion.

[HotTrick]

Any updates on the Version 2 kit?

[DJ1978]

Version 2 is coming along.
Parts production is taking place now. We will announce when all parts are complete along with a new instruction manual and are ready for sale.
We want to thank everyone for the support and enthusiasm about the TC3 "O". The kit is proving very competiitve all around the world.
Carlos and I are currently running the Novak 5800 brushless systems in our TC3 "O"!!! This makes the car even more of a rocket. It provide smooth powerful acceleration and makes it even more fun to drive!
Thanks again.
Dan

[MagicD]

What pinion are you running on your SS5800? I just ran my TC3O/Custom Conversion today for the first time with a Novak Brushless and it felt a bit slow with both an 18 and 19 (although the 19 was better). Also, the batteries I was running were neglected 3000's so I'm sure that had something to do with it.

I'll be posting pictures of my car in the next few days so you guys can see what I've been up to for the past 6 months. :D

[DJ1978]

I am geared 78T spur and 20T pinion
Carlos is geared 76T Spur 19T Pinion that last I heard.
Both cars are rockets with great torque and speed.

I look forward to seeing your pics.

Thanks
Dan

[microrcdude]

Originally posted by DJ1978
Version 2 is coming along.
Parts production is taking place now. We will announce when all parts are complete along with a new instruction manual and are ready for sale.
We want to thank everyone for the support and enthusiasm about the TC3 "O". The kit is proving very competiitve all around the world.
Carlos and I are currently running the Novak 5800 brushless systems in our TC3 "O"!!! This makes the car even more of a rocket. It provide smooth powerful acceleration and makes it even more fun to drive!
Thanks again.
Dan Can we get some pics???

[MagicD]

Well after a few more minutes of testing, it turns out that the rear diff was slipping quite a bit, thus robbing me of speed. Trouble is, right after I tightened down the diff I chewed up a spur gear when my motor slipped out a bit so I didn't get to test the results of the tightened diff. More testing/tweaking to come!

[MagicD]

Hey guys,

I've been running the car a bit more and have run into a rather serious problem. I'm using a steel rear diff (ASC3912) that I've cut a notch into to accept D style diff rings (ASC3906). I assembled it using, what I believe to be, the correct bolt and nut (ASC6575), spring (ASC6582), and bushings (ASC3907). I tried adjusting it by tightening it down all the way, then backing off anywhere from 1/8 turn to 1/2 of a turn (the TC3 manual suggests 1/2 turn)...and no matter where I set it, it loosens right up?? Any suggestions? I'm not desparate enough to use threadlocker yet...although it is looking more and more tempting. ;)

[MasterGoa]

Originally posted by DJ1978
Version 2 is coming along.
Parts production is taking place now. We will announce when all parts are complete along with a new instruction manual and are ready for sale.
We want to thank everyone for the support and enthusiasm about the TC3 "O". The kit is proving very competiitve all around the world.
Carlos and I are currently running the Novak 5800 brushless systems in our TC3 "O"!!! This makes the car even more of a rocket. It provide smooth powerful acceleration and makes it even more fun to drive!
Thanks again.
Dan

We swears we wants picks, we swears!!!!!

And ETA or course!

[Dyingslow]

MagicD,

I had the same exact problem. I emailed the RCPD guys and they assured me that they were getting significantly more runs on their set-up without the diff loosening... After many emails and searches through many different groups I discovered I was an idiot! The instruction manual I had was for the team kit. The team kit uses the plastic diff outdrives. Guess what? The diff is built rather dramtically different for the steel diffs! Check out the diff building in the nitro kit instructions or with the none team kits with the steel outdrives... Once I built the diff correctly, my rear diff loosening problem went away.

[DJ1978]

We recommend the TC3 Team steel diffs. They have a different assembly configuration than the Racer diffs or the Factory Team diffs.

[DJ1978]

I will try to get some pics of the prototype vehicles Carlos and I are running.
We are going to all black Delrin. A Arms, Shock mounts. Wheel adaptors,
Carbon Fiber one piece shock towers. Carbon fiber center drive shafts.
Thanks
Dan

[MagicD]

Thanks for the info! Ironically, last night before actually reading the posts here I figured out that I too was an idiot. I too built the steel diff in the same way that the plastic ones are assembled. Doh! I've yet to try it out with the diff built correctly.

[microrcdude]

whats the price going to be??

[Goku]

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44017&item=3176240508

[DJ1978]

We do not anticipate any price increase on the TC3 "O" V2
We also are planning to offer the upgraded parts to V1 owners at a yet to be determined discount price.
Thanks
Dan

[MagicD]

Sorry bout the quality of these pics. My true digital camera died, so I had to take these with my digital camcorder.

Ok, brief notes about my car:
-I used everything from the RCPD TC3"O" kit except for: shock tower extensions, aluminum front chassis cross brace, TC3 molded chassis, and servo mounts.
-I personally designed and machined: carbon fiber chassis, carbon fiber upper deck, carbon fiber shock towers, and steering posts.
-All machining was done with ONLY a dremel + dremel drill press
-The aluminum shock tower mounts and motor mount are made by Hardcore Racing.
-Body is from a Cat 3000
-Bumper is a T3 RPM bumper that has had the back chopped off it, and it is bolted into holes that I drilled and tapped into the TC3O aluminum chassis extender plate.

[MagicD]

Another:

[MagicD]

Side shot:

[MagicD]

Bottom:

[MagicD]

Front Shock Tower:

[DJ1978]

VERY NICE!!!!!

[microrcdude]

MagicD, thats one great looking car!!! I love the chassis!!!

[Hans]

Hey MagicD,
Where did you get the material you used for the chassis? What did you do for the kickup at the nose? Thanks! Sweet looking project! How does it race?

[MagicD]

Thanks for the complements guys! :D

I got the carbon fiber from www.arts-hobby.com. It was about $75 for a 12 inch x 12 inch x 3.0 mm plate. They also sell some really nice looking colored carbon. Honestly I'm really really happy with the glossy finish of the plate, but the rigidity seems a little less than I was expecting, especially in torsional rigidity. With the upper deck bolted on, there is NO flex front to back, but if you twist the chassis, there is a really small, but noticable, amount of flex....although it is not enough for me to worry about right now.

The kickup plate is the updated (read: lightened) extender plate from the TC3"O" kit. It's a really nice looking part. :) Keep in mind I did modify it by drilling and tapping 2 holes so that I could mount the RPM T3 bumper to the bottom of it.

It runs quite well right now. It turns really well (aided by the shaft one-way), but it bottoms out and gets a bit unstable after the larger jumps at my LHS track...so I need to up the dampening a bit and hopefully not screw up the turning too much. I'm currently running #2 pistons, with 40 wt oil all around...I'm gunna go up to 45 in front and see what happens.

Oh and by rebuilding the rear diff in the correct manner, there has been NO slipping since. Woo hoo!

[Hans]

MagicD,
I've thought about making a similar project car. What kind of suspension arms did you use?
shock towers?
shock tower mounts?

Thanks!

[MagicD]

The suspension arms and CVD's are from the TC3"O" kit. The carbon fiber shock towers are my design and machined by hand by me. The aluminum shock tower mounts and motor mount are made by Hardcore Racing http://www.racinghardcore.com.

If you're thinking about making your own project car, I'd say go for it. I'm sure enjoying the process!

[microrcdude]

MagicD, how did you mount your wing to the rear shock tower?

[Hans]

MagicD,
Okay, found the carbon figer chassis material, but the hardcore website is giving me no love on the shock tower mounts. Do you have part numbers on them that you could give me?

I've thought about making my own TC3 buggy, not from a kit like the TC3 "O". I'd like to use either B4 suspension arms with 1/10 wheels or T4 suspension arms with 1/8th wheels(!).
Threaded Losi shocks over AE... But the stumbling blocks were how to mount the shock towers and how to do the nose kickup:confused:

[MagicD]

The wing mounts, rear body mounts and antena mount are all Losi parts from the XXX4. I know I know, no Losi parts on an AE car, but the wing mounts are perfect for this project. And you can just buy the wing mounts, they only come in a package with the body mounts and antena mount so I figured why not use those parts too??

[MagicD]

I had to special order the shock tower mounts + little spacer that goes under one side of the mount, and the motor mount. I contacted Hardcore through email, and a woman there who's name is Lisa I think, was able to hook me up. The aluminum mount + spacer was $6 a piece, and the motor mount was $25. So all said and done the total price for everything before shipping was $37.

I too thought about using B4 arms, but there are at least a couple of problems that would need to be solved for them to work. First, you'd have to find or make some front 4wd caster blocks that would fit in the B4 front arms (for reference the BJ4x4 has custom ones). Second, proper CVD length is critical, so you'd have to find a set that would work perfectly, or contact MIP and see if you can have some special made, or make/modify your own. Those two problems alone were enough to make me stick with the TC3"O" stuff up front. The rear might not be as difficult to make work.

The front kickup is another area that could be solved in a number of ways. I stuck with using the TC3"O" extender/kickup plate...but I had thought about seeing if I could find someone to make me a carbon fiber plate with an angle on one end of it (for refernce the old RC10 graphite had a 1 piece carbon fiber chassis with an angle in the carbon fiber plate for front kickup). I decided against that for now because the price would be more than a simple flat plate of carbon. You could also make your own front bulkhead/kickup plate out of aluminum (like the BJ4x4) or nylon, or something else.

[Hans]

how much was the tc3 o kickup plate?

[MagicD]

Now that I've sparked some interest in custom conversions :D, I figured I'd post some bits of advice.

1) Before cutting any carbon, I'd suggest making prototype parts out of a cheap material like 1/8inch plywood. I did exactly that and found the experience to be very helpful. It allowed me to spot any problems with my design before wasting a lot of money, and it gave me some experience working with the tools I had in creating parts of this size and quality.

2) Wear nose, mouth, eye and hand protection and do it in a well ventillated area when cutting carbon fiber. I used a high quality dust mask that's designed to keep out harmful fibers. It was like $5 for 2 at Home Depot. Laytex gloves are a good idea too cause they're not too bulky but they keep out the fibers.

3) If possible, design your parts on a computer and then print out lifesize templates that you can then glue to the material stock. I used photoshop to design everything to a fraction of a millimeter. Then I printed out the templates, cut them out, and used spray adhesive to attach them to the stock. It worked out flawlessly.

Here's a pictrue of my completed plywood mockup. I call it Splinter :)

[MagicD]

The prices for all the TC3"O" parts can be found on the RC Product Design website http://www.rcproductdesigns.com. The kickup plate was $30ish.

[Hans]

Splinter looks pretty good! (is your inner child a ninja turtle?!)

Sorry, couldn't resist!:D

[Hans]

I have two boys who have recently discovered the ninja turtles. Seems impossible that they've caught on again from when I was younger!

[Dingus]

My kids have "discovered" almost every toy I ever had. Guess it's easier to get us parents to buy stuff we recognize.

To name a few: Transformers, Go-Bots, Cabbage Patch Kids, Barbie (forever!), Care Bears, Strawberry Shortcake,

[MagicD]

Actually my inner child is a mutated rat sensei. ;)

[GCMustang]

Originally posted by MagicD
Thanks for the complements guys! :D

I got the carbon fiber from www.arts-hobby.com. It was about $75 for a 12 inch x 12 inch x 3.0 mm plate.

Just as a tip, there is a seller on Ebay making some nice Carbon Fiber sheet for a lot less than the arts-hobby outlet.
He doesn't have any current auctions but here's a completed auction that gives his phone number and an example of his pricing...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=1200&item=3174924698

I'm going to be machining a similar chassis for my RC10 to convert it to touring car duty. Might be getting in touch with you about some more CF machining tips, Mystic!

[MagicD]

That sure is a good price! Be careful though because finding quality carbon fiber is a bit tricky. There are so many ways that it can be made (i.e. room temperature epoxy cure vs. baked epoxy cure, 100% carbon fibers vs. outer layers are carbon but inner are something cheaper like fiberglass, both sides finished and shiny vs. only one side vs. neither sides, etc.). I'm just saying make sure you get all the facts before buying. :)

[GCMustang]

That's very true, although this stuff is specified to be pressure cured and autoclaved, I'm not sure on how he words the finishing, whether it is finished on one side or both. I should be getting in the sheet before the end of the week so I'll take pictures for you guys and let you know.

[Greg Amendola]

Anyone looking to part with theirs anytime soon? We have a strong 4x4 class here and there is no Associated out there...and I want to run that class.

Thanks for any help locating one if you know of someone or somewhere I can find one.

Thanks,
Greg

[GCMustang]

If you're looking for the rally kit (with the longer a-arms and increased ground clearance), there's a few on Ebay...
http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=3182477774&category=44028

[Hans]

Are the rally conversion kits getting hard to come by?! I thought he wanted a TC3 "O" conversion, not a rally conversion...

[Greg Amendola]

Looking for the "o" or 4wd to compete against the xxx4.

Thanks for the quick responses though!
Greg

[HotTrick]

Dan

How much longer do you anticipate for the V2 release? Do you have an estimated release date yet?

[mcquto]

My TC3O should arrive today! This will be the 2nd one I have owned. I wish I had kept the first one but 4wd died here. Now it seems to be drawing intrest again. Looking forward to the V2 update kit.

[bkicinski]

Greg,
Are you still looking for a TC3-O?
I have one for sale with a bunch of spare parts.
It needs a body, but I think that's about it.

Bill

[MagicD]

I'm really, REALLY interested in purchasing the V2 carbon driveshaft and lightened wheel hexs. Anyone know a price + release date?? I emailed RCPD a few days ago but haven't heard anything yet.

[mcquto]

I asked the same question a couple of weeks ago. When the V2 is released, they will make an update package available for owners of the V1. Couldn't get a price or date out of him though.

[DJ1978]

We do not have a firm date for the release of Version 2. I would estimate Late May....
We are working hard to produce the parts in enough volume to meet the expected demand. We also have made some geometry changes that were tested out this weekend with a new plastic Chassis Extension plate. We wanted this race tested before we produced them in volume. I am please to report they performed EXCELLENT and will be included in the V2 kit. The new plate reduces the weight of the chassis extension plate from the original 35 grams to 12 grams.
The change lengthens the wheel base slighty, Brings the gearbox parallel with the chassis and lowers the gearbox.

[MagicD]

Now THAT'S AN UPDATE! ROCK! I can't wait! :D

[mcquto]

Sounds good to me.

[DJ1978]

We have not determined the upgrade cost to V2 as of yet. We will take a look at all the components when they are complete and determine the price. I will be greatly reduced from the individual component cost for customers who had purchased V1.
Dan

[mcquto]

The "V2", This thing has grown a name of it's own and it isn't even available yet! Hey dan, Think I could get in on some of the new part testing? I'll pay for them of course, I just want to get them as soon as possible. Especially that new front kick up plate.

[DJ1978]

I really am done testing. Now I just need to get stay on the machine and make the parts. I am doing the CAD/ CAM Work now on the last of the parts.

[MagicD]

Same here. If you've ever got parts you want to test, send me an email and I'd be glad to help (of course I too would pay for the parts).

[MagicD]

Just thought I'd update everyone on some carbon fiber info that I've become aware of incase anyone is planning on making custom carbon fiber parts like mine.

Stay away from Arts-Hobby carbon fiber panels. They are nice and glossy, but the reason the torsional rigidity is so crappy is because the layers are placed only on 0 and 90 degrees, not 0, 45, 90 like some other higher quality stuff.

I've emailed ACP http://www.acp-composites.com. asking about one of their really interesting looking products, Corlite Uni-Carbon. Here's their claim:
"CORLITE was developed by ACP to offer the lightest and stiffest carbon plate available . The unique design incorporates hollow ceramic microspheres in an epoxy matrix sandwiched between uni-directional carbon fiber laminates, with a black satin finish. The CORLITE plates are 25% lighter and stiffer than similar panels of the same thickness. The 4 Ply is similar in stiffness to an .084 solid and the 5 Ply is similar in stiffness to a .094" solid. The 5 Ply has an additional layer of uni-directional carbon orientated in the 0 direction. The additional layer can be positioned where the greatest stiffness is required. CORLITE plates are .100" thick."
I asked them about the possibility of using this material in an offroad chassis, and specificly if it would be strong enough to hold up the abuse. I'll let you guys know what I find out.

[Dyingslow]

Be very careful with Uni-directional carbon fiber. You will get incredible stiffness with uni-direction carbon fiber along the longitudinal axis but the stiffness will be very bad perpendicular to the longitudinal axis. The trick would be to lay the “uni” mats down just like you would any normal carbon fiber sheet for this application (IE 0, 45, 90, etc..). Without doing so you will have an even worse problem with torsional rigidity.

The other thing to worry about with uni plates is that they tend to hold a significant greater amount of force but all tend to fail more catastrophically than a comparable woven sheet. There are many papers on this phenomenon all over the place…

I worked with uni plates and the stiffness is absolutely amazing but I found the woven plates to be more durable for application in our toy cars. The thing to remember is that the more you force the fibers to bend the “weaker” the part… Try a twill or satin weave and see if you like that plate better (it maybe a good compromise for what you want).

Of course none of this really matters if you are a good driver and don’t bump into poles, walls, other cars, etc… but for me, I need the added durability…

Dyingslow

[MagicD]

Wow, excellent info there DyingSlow! I'm still a newbie at this, so that kind of advice is golden. Do you happen to have any links to sites that I can read up more? I'll probably make a version 2 of my chassis at some point and I'd like to get the optimum material to do so.

[MagicD]

Upon rereading the description of Corlite...well I feel like an idot. :o

The way I understand it now going from their discription, the layers are all in the same direction (with a possible single 5th layer offset by 90degrees) ...exactly the opposite of what I want. For anyone that's keeping score, ACP also do sell Uni directional stuff that has a 0, 45, 90 layup although it's not Corlite.

DyingSlow, so you think that if I went with a standard woven plate that had the 0, 45, 90 orientation, I'd be happier with the results?

Also, by reading between the lines of a few pieces of info and keying in on DyingSlow's advice to look for a satin finish, I've kindof determined that a nice glossy finish is at the expense of rigidity. This is due to using a different type of expoxy that flows better to fill in the pits and make a smoother surface. Does that sound right? If so, then I'm willing to trade prettiness for rigidity.

[Dyingslow]

Be careful with those guys that try to claim that the pitting has no impact on strength... There are a couple people that sometimes sell through ebay that claim something similar...

One of the best, and usually easiest, ways to make a carbon fiber plate to use layers of prepeg carbon fiber. Prepeg carbon fiber has the carbon fiber/epoxy resin already at the "ideal" ratio. Lay your layers to be biased in the direction of the load (in our cars we have to do the 0/45/90 thing or the 3 dimensional rigidity is unacceptable). After you built up the thickness you want, then you vacuum bag it and throw it in an autoclave... This last step is where some places will get you. They will take a prepeg made for an autoclave and cure it under vacuum, throw it in a press and turn the heat up. If you don't use the autoclave then the resin will not flow properly. When the resin does not flow properly you get pin holes and sometime "Dry" looking patches... If you choose to use this carbon fiber, then you will not know the stiffness until the part is cut. If you are satisfied with the stiffness, then you will not know how the part will hold up.

Carbon fiber gives you the best performance when all the strands are laying right up against each other with just the right amount of resin holding them together. When you don't use an autoclave, then you will have pockets of air that affect your part, but also chuncks of resin.

There are a bunch of people all over that sell carbon fiber, just be careful what you buy. It's okay to use carbon fiber that is not perfect (I have a bunch that I use for "proof of concept" type stuff) just be sure the seller doesn't try to make you pay the autoclave price for a vacuum bagged part... I think I wrote too much. Sorry to all of you that are not interested in this...

When I was doing work with carbon, we talked a bunch woth Zoltek. They know about carbon fiber but I don't know if they are Tier 1 only or what. It probably doesn't hur to give them a call. Through them my old company was directed to a carbon fiber fabricator that made a uni-direction plate for us. It was approximately 3 mm thick and was made up of uni prepeg laid at different "odd" angles. The resulting plate was amazingly stiff. Since leaving my old company I've not been about to find carbon fiber plates with stiffness anywhere near what we were using...

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Now back to the TC3-O... Mine has been retired for a few months due to personal issues, but I'm in the process of getting everything running again... Anything new that I should know about or any hop up part that is required (anyone running a spool)?

Keep those 4wd's rolling!

Dyingslow

[Dyingslow]

Still wondering... has any tried running a spool in their TC3-O? I have one laying around and am wondering if I should throw it in or stick with the ball diff..

Dyingslow

[microrcdude]

i think the ball diff makes the car easier to drive IMO

[G3Cubed]

Dan,

Please let us know when you get a firm date on the V2 release...I guess I could just keep checking the website, but this forum seems to be updated rather regularly.

Thanks!

[DJ1978]

Thanks for the inquiry.. We are figuring that out right now and will post soon. Almost every part of the V2 is new or improved. There is much to decide on as we get closer. We will keep you informed of the progress.
Dan

[microrcdude]

any word on price?

[Cain]

are you guys planning to release a full kit instead of just an upgrade?

[DJ1978]

I have not forgotten you all..
I appreciate your interest and take all your questions seriously and have been pondering how to best answer them.
Carlos and I are meeting later this week to work out as many details as we can.
Here is what I can tell you right now... (because it is all I know!!! LOL!!)

We are now doing an inventory to make sure we have adequate supply of kits available when we release. I would not want to have anyone with out a V2 kit if they want it.
We have not determined the price. It will NOT be higher than the original kit even though we are using a lot more exotic materials.
We will offer it two ways.
As a TC3 "O" conversion kit with the the new upgraded parts. You will still need the donor TC3 and other parts listed on the our web site.
We will also offer to V1 owners just the upgrade parts at a DEEP discount.
We should be able to post a release date by early next week.

This is the other thing I know....
The V1 kit is kicking butt all over the world. The V2 is a dramatic improvement over the V1. It is lighter, stiffer, and looks better.

We also are very excited about our new body. We have posted pics of the prototype.. We will be meeting with a moldmaker to put it into production soon. search back a few pages a look at the pics OR if you purchased one of the prototype bodies... let us know if you have any suggestions before we make the final mold. The new bodies will be made of Lexan and thicker than the prototypes.

Thanks so much for all the support.
Dan
RC Product Designs.

[Milesdavis314]

ok im about to pick up a tc3 w/ rally conversion... is this going to cause a problem with converitng to teh tc3 "o" and is this kit going to cost more than $200? thanks

-Jim

[DJ1978]

Any TC3 kit will work. We recommend you use the Team diffs in the car. The plastic do NOT hold up well under the load of a 4 wheel drive buggy.

V2 will not cost more than the original kit.
Dan

[Milesdavis314]

thanks dan...where and how much for the team diffs?...thanks

-jim

[jnegrx]

Will the Losi wheels fit the V2 of the TC3-O?

[DJ1978]

Miles, Team diffs have steel outdrives. They are different configuration from the plastic diffs. Your Local hobby shop should have the parts you need.

jnegrx
Losi wheels will not fit the TC3 "O". Two reasons for that... 1st they are Losi. 2nd the Schumacher 3000 wheels have a VERY large drive hex that provides tons of support to the tire and wheel assembly. the Losi hex is very small and does not hold up well.
Dan

[jnegrx]

Thanks for the quick reply. I'm thinking of buying your V2 about how long before it's released.

[DJ1978]

We are working out the final details right now and will post a release date soon.
Thanks for the interest.
Dan

[Milesdavis314]

Is this really the factory team diff you guys mentioned...it just looks so... not-factory-team and its cheap...thanks

-Jim

[Milesdavis314]

woops forgot the link
http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXXG89&P=FR

[DJ1978]

Miles,
The diff halves you need are steel. They are the TEAM diffs. NOT the Factory team.

[hookem]

My TC3O is on it's way. It's only a V1, but I am looking forward to checking this car out. The previous owner has done some custom upgrading himself, one piece carbon shock towers, aluminum hop ups, etc. Where can i geta catalog for parts, bodies, wheels, etc? Only on the website? Mail? Thanks alot for the product guys.....

Michael Lambert a.k.a. Hook 'em

[DJ1978]

Michael
Just check our web site for available parts and updates. If you have any questions please feel free to ask. also, if you could send some pics of your car to our email address when you get it we would appreciated it. That way you are on our mailing list.
Thanks
Dan

[Milesdavis314]

do you by any chance know where i can find this diff?...thanks
-Jim

[DJ1978]

Jim,
You do not need the whole diff. You need the metal outdrives and a diff rebuild kit. Go to the Associated web site and download or print the instruction manual for the TC3 Team kit. It will have all the part numbers and detailed illustrations so you can see the difference between the plastic and steel diff assemblies. There are only a few parts that are different.
Hope this helps.
Dan

[hookem]

Michael
Just check our web site for available parts and updates. If you have any questions please feel free to ask. also, if you could send some pics of your car to our email address when you get it we would appreciated it. That way you are on our mailing list.
Thanks
Dan

Thanks Dan. I received the car yesterday, as I stated it is used. Have some work to do to get it up to my standards, but it's a good starting point. I ordered some parts and will get a pic to you as soon as it is all race ready. Any word on graphite shock towers? My car has a one-piece for the rear, but aluminum still on the front.

[DJ1978]

Michael,
One piece Carbon Fiber shock towers for front and rear will be available soon.
Dan

[Milesdavis314]

thanks DJ

[Cain]

How soon do you think you guys will have a picture of the the V2 TC3-O?

[Jayweezy]

Will there be a possibility of wider arms for a truck look? I don't want to buy a Maxx and it would be hard to find the HPI RS4 MT. Would your company be willing?

[Bansheeman]

do you think the V2 will be here before the BJ4?

[DJ1978]

I have no idea as to the time frame for the release of the BJ4.
I will discuss it will Carlos and have a release date for you all early next week.
Thanks.
Dan

[DJ1978]

Cain,
I have my car complete..... I will try to get some pics posted soon.

Jayweezy,
We will not produce truck width parts in production volumes. BUT.. we are willing to custom machine you any parts you want. If you are interested in Truck length arms... you would need to find the CVD's you want to use and send them to me for measurements. CVD length is critical because of the short out drives on the TC3.

RS4 MT's are not that hard to find..... Look on this for sale forum and hobbytalk.com's forum. Also doesn't HPI have a for sale forum?
Thanks
Dan

[Cain]

The BJ4x4 i believe will be shipping at the end of June.

Is the V2 also going to be a conversion kit? Will more parts for a more complete conversion be included?

Can't wait to see the pics. With the BJ4x4, Academy SB Sport, and the TC3-O along with the X-5 conversion, 4wd could be very interesting late in the year and next year.

[Bansheeman]

Will the production body look like the prototype? Are you planing on sponsering more people? Will you be coming out with some things OTHER then the TC3 "O" V2? thanks!!!! ;)

[DJ1978]

We have our mold at the mold maker right now. Our production body will be similar, But lower and more agressive looking. It will still have side pods to allow functional cooling to the electronics, they will be lower and come forward some to provide better air flow.

We have other projects in mind..... one fun one is a wheelie chassis for the aluminum tubbed RC10. It drastically shortens the wheelbase, uses all components from your original RC10, RC10T, B2 or T2. Direct bolt on of all parts.

I have been making some parts for the Serpent Impulse. They will be tested this summer. Parts that commonly break.. out of different materials to increase durability and help you finish a race.

If you have suggestions about parts you would like to see on the market, shoot us a note and tell us!! We will see what we can do.
Thanks
Dan

[Bansheeman]

Will this kit require less "off-the shelf" parts? The reason I asking this is that on the V1, the front brace was an aluminum "bridge" that streched a cross that chassis and you had to buy turnbuckles, that attached to the bridge and the front of the car. But, one the prototype pics of the V2, it looked as if you had a one peice carbon-fiber plate for the front brace?

BTW-You might want to look into making T4 front arms. They seem alittle weak.

[DJ1978]

I will post pics of V2 soon.
Thanks
Dan

[Bansheeman]

Any updates??? (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/x.php) The wait is killing me!!! (http://www.albinoblacksheep.com/flash/jah.php)

[DJ1978]

Carlos and I are meeting tomorrow (Monday). I will post the info as soon as I can.
Thanks
Dan

[perez1410]

Dan and I met today to work out the details of the remaining parts than need to be fabricated. He has been working really hard with the new lightweight chassis extension plates. He cut all the blanks today. The next part we will be focusing on is the new lightweight center drive shaft.

We are hoping to publish by this coming weekend the official availability date and pricing. We will start by be having the V2 kit in two stages. Stage 1, similar in content to the original version but with new redesigned parts. Stage 2 will have all parts of Stage 1 and most of parts you need to complete the car, less some obvious ones which we do not fabricate (i.e. chassis, diffs, shock absorbers, etc.).

We are very excited with the new design of V2. I will be getting the pictures made of our car this week, and hope to post them on the website this coming weekend. Our mold maker is still working with it, puttin some touches of their own. The production version of the V2 body will be much lower and streamlined streamlined when compared to our prototype. The pictures I will post still have the prototype body painted by our own friend Chuck from SPLAT graphics.

That is all for now....

P.S. Maybe in the no so distant future we may have stage 3 and 4 as well.....We will see...

Carlos
RC Product Designs

[MagicD]

V2 pictures anytime soon?

[perez1410]

Check our website. I just finished uploading new pictures.

[MagicD]

Wow. Looks great! When can we order the upgrade?! :) Price?

[MagicD]

Questions:

-Is there any kickup in the new front extender? What degree? (Hard to tell from the photos)
-Are the front arms the same as V1, just turned around backwards?
-Have the front hing pin mounts changed at all, or are they still stock T3C parts with drilled out holes to accept 1/8 pins?

[HotTrick]

When are we going to be able to expect some pics of this body that will be coming out for the TC3-O?

[DJ1978]

We are anxiously waiting for the 1st prototypes to come back from the mold maker. We will post them as soon as we get one painted up!! He is a hard man to get a hold of and we are trying daily to contact him to get a status.

[Cain]

Any new info on this?

4wd is starting to ramp up with the BJ4x4 now out, the X-5 getting closer to full release, and the SB Sport already being released earlier and the SB Pro looking to be on the way soon.

[DJ1978]

Sorry for the delays in keeping you updated......
I have been burried in the shop amking parts to release the V2 kit. We are VERY Close.
We expect to make final approval of the mold in early August. I am working on the last parts needed to be able to provide the whole kit. Carlos is working on the new instruction manual.

I will try to answer some of the questions...

Magic: There is the same kick up in the new plate as the original aluminum one. the new plate is 40% lighter. It also lowers and levels the front diff housing dramatically. I am experimenting with a modification that will bring it to the same level as the rear one. I will keep you posted on that.
There will be a new Carbon Fiber center drive shaft with aluminum inserts at the ends. the weight savings is nearly 50% from the V1 drive shaft, greatly decreasing rotating mass
Delrin Wheel hexes replace the aluminum for a big decrease in rotating mass also.

I have a body that I have cut out and re-fitted parts into to get an idea of the shape of the new body... if you would like me to throw a coat of paint on it and shoot a picture and post it let me know. right now it is glued and taped together.

We are hoping that this surge in available 4 wheel drive buggies stirs up 4 wheel drive racing once again.

Maybe it will influence tire manufactures to give us some other choices... similar to the variety that the 1/8 scale buggies have. Shoot them an email and express you concerns and desires for more styles of tires for your 1/10 scale 4 wheel drive buggy.

Thanks for all the support and interest!!! We really appreciate it!
Dan

[Cain]

Glad to hear it. Do you guys think in the future you will just release a full kit buggy or do you plan to stay in the conversion nitch?

The carbon prop shaft with the aluminum ends sounds similar to the Academy hopup one. Is the prop you use able to be removed without removing the drive cups?

Do you have a slipper available?

I know a few people who are interested in this, so any news is great.

[DJ1978]

We are calculating the cost and putting together a parts list to see if we could produce a rolling chassis at a reasonable price. Not sure yet if it can happen.

In the mean time, we will continue to provide a high quality conversion kit to turn your TC3 into a VERY competitive 4 wheel drive off road buggy.

The TC3 "O" was the 1st on the market .... we will continue to produce it.

You can NOT remove the center shaft without popping an outdrive from a diff just like a TC3.

Slipper design is in the works. I hope to test it out in the fall. If that goes well we will produce it.

We will be able to produce custom length carbon fiber tube, drive shafts for other applications.. If anyone needs one... email our company address with the information for a quote.

We will keep you posted on the progress.

We have started production of the center shafts.. we are waiting to make the final approval on the body and we will continue to work, to make sure we have the volume of parts needed to meet demand.

Thanks,
Dan
RC Product Designs
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[Cain]

Have you thought of using a spring loaded center shaft? This is how the Academy does it, it could be slightly longer though but it works well.

By the way I think what you guys did with the TC3-O is great. TC3s are so cheap nowadays that once people see more 4wd all around, they will probably dust off the TC3 in the closet and put the conversion on!

[microrcdude]

if i had a tc3, this conversion is what id do to it. Im tired of seeing XXX-4 and the yokomo win race after race after race

[MagicD]

Magic: There is the same kick up in the new plate as the original aluminum one. the new plate is 40% lighter. It also lowers and levels the front diff housing dramatically. I am experimenting with a modification that will bring it to the same level as the rear one. I will keep you posted on that.


Do you forsee the new front extender requiring different holes than those used in the V1 design to be drilled in the T3C chassis for mounting? I ask because I've got a new Carbon chassis that I'm going to use for my "O" and I don't want to drill V1 holes in it just to find out later that the V2 design requires different holes. If that's the case, I'll just wait until the V2 is ready before using my new chassis.

Thanks!

[marcelo]

Any news on the V2???

[DJ1978]

Marcelo and Magic D,
We have a ROAR State race on August 21st. We will have 4 new TC3 "O" V2's in the race for final testing before the official release.

We are finishing up the mold to produce the new bodies. THEY ARE HOT!! I am sure all TC3 "O" owners will want one!!! We will paint one up and post pics as soon as we have them! They will be included with the V2 kit.

Also in the process of updating the instruction manual.
Thanks to all for your patience and support!
Dan

[marcelo]

Dan,

Thanks for the replie, and good luck for the race!!!!!!!

[DJ1978]

MagicD... I am sorry I forgot to answer your other question.
The new chassis extension plate does have different hole requirements than V1. Do not drill your chassis until you get the new plate.
Dan

[MagicD]

Rock on! Good luck in the ROAR event. Looking forward to seeing the improvements in V2!

[Cain]

Can't wait to see what the final kit will look like. Any word on the slipper? I know someone local to me who is looking seriously at the TC3-O.

[perez1410]

Dan is working on two proposed designs for slippers on the car. They will not be used at the Roar State Race. We will keep you up to speed.
Carlos

[MagicD]

Hey guys, how'd the race turn out? Did the V2 do as well as you expected? I love to hear how it went. :)

[DJ1978]

We were very pleased with the performance of the TC3 "O" V2 in the state race.
Our top driver Johnny, was running some of the fastest laps in 4 wheel open. I believe he had the fastest lap. Just missed TQ.
He raced nose and tail with a BJ4 for the whole day, three qualifiers and triple A mains, finishing second to Associated sponsored driver Al Horne. This was only Johnny's second time racing the V2. It was Lightning fast and handled excellent on a difficult track that was one straight and then turn and jump...turn and jump.. turn and jump.... . The track was VERY rutty and full of stones.

The V2 held up VERY well. I think one driver broke a bell crank. that is it.
There were 4 V2's on the track. All with a team paint scheme.
We will post pics as soon as possible.

Dan

[MagicD]

Sounds great! I can't wait to get my hands on the V2 parts. :D Any update on the release date?

[marcelo]

Cool cant wait for the pictures!!! Did the four used the new body?

[perez1410]

Yes we all used the new body. I will post a new picture.

[robert L.]

Dan, the new TC4 is coming...... http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?p=1546250#post1546250 .....are you guys going to make a new kit for the TC4 or think of making one?

also, when is the V2 going to be released.......im starting to lean towards the XXX-4 :eek: :(

[perez1410]

Here is the first picture! :cool:

[perez1410]

Here is a picture of all the Team vehicles!

[microrcdude]

will you guys be selling team "replica" bodies?

[perez1410]

To be honest I haven't thought about it. The bodies were all masked Dan and Jason, and all painted by Jason, one of our team drivers. My car is the one with silver, Dan's is the one with metalic gree, Johny's car is the one with flouresent green and Jason's is with blue.

The bodies and wing are due within 3 weeks from CEFX.

We receive a shipment of parts today and the arm mounts are getting modified so that they can be included with the kit. Dan is working on that while I am updating the instruction manual. Most of the parts are ready.

So if everything goes well, it will most likely be within 3 weeks or less.

I will ask Jason to see if he would be willing to paint some bodies if some customers want the Team "replica" body. I will let you know.

Regards,
Carlos

[perez1410]

We would need to get a hold of the TC4 first to see how much different the kit would have to be. I do not think it would be hard, but we must get the car first. The new shock tower system works with the car for sure since the gearbox case is the same that we design our mount for. The hinge pins most likely are the same diameter. Need to see the arm mount span to see if we can use the same A-arms and CVD's. It looks like most of it can be adapted.

Regards,
Carlos

[robert L.]

ok sounds good........do you guys think the kits will ever go on sale?

[mcquto]

The New V2 kit is a pretty easy conversion. It took me about 3 hours to do mine. I would assume that the production kits will come with instructions making that a little faster. Dan, are the new black delrin arms made from the same kind of delrin as the white ones? I broke one of the rear arms on a crazy landing. It probably would have broke anyway no matter what. I had some really wild crashes (Our track has some BIG jumps) and didn't break anything else related to the V2. I did break the servo saver but that will happen when you get bumped into the wall on the straight at full speed. The front arms now extend slightly farther out than the front bumber like the B4. This has greatly improved the ability to recover from a nose dive landing. The car is a bit lighter now and seems to have a little more punch. The handling is a little bit more sensitive but may get better when I figure out the right set-up for it. It seems to have a little less off power steering but a lot more on power steering. Definatly use the center one way. The body has good lines as you can see in the pictures (Thanks Dan, the body drew a lot of attention). The front steering posts were a big improvement as well, not only for strength but smoother response as well. I didn't do as well as I had hoped with the car but taking into concideration that I just finished building it at midnight the night before the race, I didn't get any time to practice with it. My lap times improved with every race so I think I will get a lot better with the car as time goes by.

[MagicD]

Awesome. Thanks for the update guys! Any word on price for us V1 owners?

[marcelo]

Hi, when is the v2 ready for sale, will it be or not any more?

[microrcdude]

I think they will be out real soon

[DJ1978]

We are VERY Anxious to bet the V2 out to the public!!
There has been a delay with our mold maker for the new bodies. We have meeting with him on Monday and will be able to make a better determination on the release date then.
Thanks
Dan

[marcelo]

Cool thanks for the info!!!!!

[microrcdude]

isnt cyrul making the bodies?

[perez1410]

Yes, Cyrul is making the new body for us. We are hoping the bodies are completed with the new wing by this coming Friday.

[microrcdude]

cool! how does the body handle compaired to say the cat 3000?

[perez1410]

To be honest with you, a lot better. I am picking bodies and wings tonight at his house. Can't wait to see the new wing for the kit. It follows the contour of the rear shock tower.

[microrcdude]

To be honest with you, a lot better. I am picking bodies and wings tonight at his house. Can't wait to see the new wing for the kit. It follows the contour of the rear shock tower.
sounds cool! Post a pic when you get it please.

[MagicD]

V2 release date?? I'm dying here. :)

[mcquto]

V2 release date?? I'm dying here. :)


Hint... Look at Ebay.

[marcelo]

Please post some pics of the new V2, when will it be out?

Marcelo

[MagicD]

It's now the beginning of Oct...any word? Any word at all? Is this thing on?? ;)

[marcelo]

MagicD did you had the first tc3 O post some pics of it.

[microrcdude]

It's now the beginning of Oct...any word? Any word at all? Is this thing on?? ;)
Ive been wondering the same thing. WHEN IS THIS CAR COMMING OUT!

[MagicD]

MagicD did you had the first tc3 O post some pics of it.

The TC3-O that I have is not a true TC3-O. It has a whole bunch of custom made parts on it that I made myself (e.g. double decker carbon chassis, carbon shock towers, etc.). You can read about and see pictures of my car back on page 11. I'm really interested to get my hands on the lighter V2 parts because even with all my handywork, the car is still very much overweight.

[marcelo]

Cool your car looks great!!!! I saw it when i was reading all the posts, but didnt check that you where the one that post the pics...

[HotTrick]

You guys are killing me already! Whens this thing going to be released? I hope soon, haven't heard any updates in a while and we are now in Oct.

[Antoine]

Hi, I am french. So, sorry for my english but i was not a good studient at school.
Im very interested by the V2 of your TC3"O". I do the french championship in 4x2 and i would want to run with a TC3"O" in 4x4 for the season 2005. It's possible to deliver in france when the version 2 will be left?

[marcelo]

Whats up guys....working hard on the TC3 O everybody is dyng to see it at least post some pictures of it :)

[MagicD]

PLEASE, just give us a quick post to let us know you're still working on it and how far along it is. I'm getting more and more tempted to just say forget this thing and get a BJ4x4 instead. :(

[perez1410]

Yes we are. We have not stopped working on it, however recently we have been taking care of other higher priorities (family related) that kept us from working full scale on this. We are trying very hard to bring up the large scale availability of the car as soon as possible.

The new bodies are all available right now as well as our new wing. We will have two bodies professionally painted for you guys to see on a completed V2 kit. The new V2 kit will include the V2 body, window mask, a V2 wing and a decal sheet. It will also include the new lightweight chassis kick-up extension plate, new carbon fiber shock towers, new lightweight shock tower mounts, new carbon fiber chassis brace, new stiffer carbon fiber center drive-shaft, lightweight wheel hex adapters, new steering posts and spacer, new black Delrin A-Arms.

We have focused a lot of time in improving the weight efficiency of each of the new parts. We have reduced both the rotational mass and static mass as well when compared to the original version. It is not only lighter, but also more sturdy/robust. Both Dan and I have taken a lot of time on ensuring that the new V2 project will be as satisfying to you guys as it has been for us to develop.


Kind Regards,
Carlos Perez
RC Product Designs

[marcelo]

Cool guys keep up the good work!!!!

[MagicD]

Thanks for the update! :)

Now....umm...release...date? ;)

[marcelo]

nothing yet guys??

[mcquto]

I think they are waiting on the bodies. I have the V2 and have had it for about 2 months. (It was an early release) I do not however have the body. I think they are waiting for a compleat upgrade kit before putting it on the market, otherwise they would have to incur the extra shipping costs to send out the bodies at a later date. This may or may not be the case, but it is my speculation.

[marcelo]

:( now its until january the tc3 0, well at least its still coming out :)

[DJ1978]

So sorry for the delays.
Like Carlos mentioned. There have been some Family health issues that have needed taken care of. Also recieving the body from the molder was a little later than we anticipated.
We have pushed back the release date to ensure we would have enough parts in house that even with spare parts orders we would be able to meet the demand.
We are also adding a spacer set at you need to the kit that will make assembly easier and you will not have to dig in your pit box for them. Those parts are being made now.

The new bodies are available now for purchase. It comes with a wing that is custom made to fit the carbon fiber shock tower.

Check out the pics of the new chassis and body (less the new wing) on our web site now. www.rcproductdesigns.com
Dan

[JohnSheridan]

Hey guys, is it me or your cars have a longer wheelbase than the BJ4 or the Academy SB?..Not that its bad just curious :) ...

Man!!...Those new Bodies sure looks damn sexy, you have 2 slightly differing designs right?...Well ill have them both :D

I do hope things work out better for you folks so that you can get this new baby of yours up and flying... Im looking of getting that tc3 0 V2 as soon as you release it but obviously family comes first...All the best

[Down_force]

The V2 parts are 23gms lighter that the originals. The weight difference will be greater if you have the original unlightened kickup plate. Mine was lightened by Dan. I'm also working on using the TC4 inner camberlinks instead of the towers. If I can I'll post pictures.

[MagicD]

The V2 parts are 23gms lighter that the originals. The weight difference will be greater if you have the original unlightened kickup plate. Mine was lightened by Dan. I'm also working on using the TC4 inner camberlinks instead of the towers. If I can I'll post pictures.


...23 grams is only like 1/20th of a pound right? I guess I was hoping for a bit more savings. No matter though cause I'm still itching to check out the new parts. Any update on price seeing as though we are less than a month from release?

[microrcdude]

...23 grams is only like 1/20th of a pound right? I guess I was hoping for a bit more savings. No matter though cause I'm still itching to check out the new parts. Any update on price seeing as though we are less than a month from release?
You put titanium screws throught the car, and youll save even more weight.

[MagicD]

Hey guys, your site still lists Jan 9th as the release date for the V2...are you still on track for that date? Any word on price for us V1 owners?

I hope it doesn't get pushed back again because the Factory Team B4 is calling my name and I may have to spring for that...the more the V2 gets delayed the more I lose focus. ;)

[DJ1978]

We are on track for the January 9th release of the TC3 "O" V2!!!
Pricing will be announce soon!!
Dan

[microrcdude]

All right! I think i may go pick up a TC3 i saw for $50, and install this kit on it. I cant wait till its out!

[mcquto]

You won't regret it. I just wish there were more 4WD cars at my track to race against. I have been running the V2 since last summer and have never broken any of the new parts. I have taken some tuff upside down landings and still havent broken any of the carbon shock towers (although I have caked them with a lot of dirt). In fact since last summer the only parts I have replaced on the entire car has been 2 spur gears and one rear arm.

[Cain]

looking forward to seeing you TC3-O guys on the track.

Is there a slipper available for the vehicle now?

[microrcdude]

Doesnt the TC3 come stock with a slipper?

[95128]

No it doesn't it comes with this thing that bolts right on to the thing lol i don't no wat it's called.But theres no slipper.Man this forum took me 2 hours and 30mins to read! Also nice job on the tc3 0. O and do you no wat the price is going to be on the V2?

[perez1410]

No it doesn't it comes with this thing that bolts right on to the thing lol i don't no wat it's called.But theres no slipper.Man this forum took me 2 hours and 30mins to read! Also nice job on the tc3 0. O and do you no wat the price is going to be on the V2?


The Kit is now shipping!

We have the latest information updated on the website www.rcproductdesigns.com

Kit information and pictures were posted on the site. Feel free to stop by and check it out.

The price of the conversion kit is $199.95. It now includes the following:

Carbon Fiber Front and Rear Shock Towers
Lightweight Derin Shock Tower Mounts
Nylon Reinforced Chassis Kick-up Extension Plate
Carbon Fiber Chassis Brace
Carbon Fiber Center Drive-shaft
Servo Saver Kit (Steering Bell-Crank Kit)
Brass Steering Posts and Black Delrin Spacer
Aluminum Steering Tie Bar
Aluminum Steering Knuckle Extensions
Black Delrin Servo Mounts
Black Delrin Front and Rear A-Arms
Modified Front and Rear Arm Mounts (Pivot Blocks)
Steel Inner Hinge Pins
4 Degree Front Block Carriers
MIP CVD* Bones (Set of 4)
Black Delrin Wheel Hex Adapters
Set of Front and Rear White Dish Wheels
Body Mounts
Wing Mount Kit
New V2 Lexan Body (with window mask) and Wing
Additional screws, nuts and washers
Decal Sheet
Instruction Manual & Setup Sheet


The rest of the information can be found on the website.

[Cain]

Nice job guys. Should be a good year for 4wd with the various 4wd vehicles / conversions out there.

Do you guys have a list anywhere that says what parts from the TC3 ( part numbers would be great too by the way ) are required?

[MagicD]

I am curious about the new chassis extender. At some point I remember reading that you guys were prototyping a new extender that leveled off the front gearbox and I was wondering if that design had made it into the final V2 spec.

[perez1410]

I am curious about the new chassis extender. At some point I remember reading that you guys were prototyping a new extender that leveled off the front gearbox and I was wondering if that design had made it into the final V2 spec.

Magic, yes we did designed the new kickup plate to have the gearbox leveled. It sits about 1 to 2mm above the plane from where the rear one sits due to the necessary amount of material required on the kickup plate at the attachment point. Remember that the plate has an angle at the bottom which reduces the material thickness of the plate as it moves forward.

The part is a lot lighter. I believe we reduced the weight of that part about 60 - 65%.

Cain, the website lists the generic name of the parts you need to keep from the TC3. I will see what I can do to get the actual names and perhaps numbers as well.

Regards,
Carlos

[DJ1978]

I think you will be very impressed with the improvements we have made with the TC3 "O" V2.
It is lighter, Faster more Durable AND More competitive.

Next on the list of things to do....
Slipper system that will bolt right in. RCPD steering knuckles that will eliminate the Steering knuckle extensions and refine the steering geometry,
We will also start playing with a double Carbon fiber chassis design at the begining of summer.
As always, your input is appreciated. Let us know what you think of V2. How competitive it is at your local track.
At our home track, Washtenaw RC Raceway in Ann Arbor, MI. Our 4 wheel drive class is huge and the current points leader is driving a TC3"O" with 3 of the top 6 in points driving the TC3 "O".
and then there is me....LOL!! Actually I am 11th in point right now!! ( I am sure Carlos will have something to say about my driving!! LOL!!)

[microrcdude]

ITS OUT! Man, i really want one of these.

[Cain]

Glad to see you guys getting that vehicle out there. More options the better!

If you can get that list that would be great. will post it for others in need.

You may also when you have the time drop a message or two on the various boards about this kits release, etc.

I would like to see RC Car Action do a big write up on the resergence of 4wd buggy. Have a big list with the breakdowns of ALL the 4wd buggies out there, where to get them, etc. Just really push it in the issue. People have a tedency when they see a buzz being created, they lean towards that.

[mcquto]

Hey Dan, Have you solved the problem with having to stack a bunch of spacers under the steering linkage to clear the newly raised drive shaft? It seems to couse a lot of flex in the steering and makes the front wheels have a lot of play in hem. I was trying to find aluminum B3 steering linkage to solve the problem but have had no luck yet.

[DJ1978]

Please email me a pic of what you are talking about.
We have actually lowered the drive shaft almost to the stock position.
Dan

[scoyle]

Dan,

I have bought some parts here in the UK from a guy who was working on the Concept CB car which I believe was based on your car as it seems to use a lot of your parts... they seem to have stopped working on the car. I would like to build the car back to be a TC3-O and up to v2 standard.

Couple of things...

Is it possible to buy a copy of the TC3-O manual?
Have you come up with a pricing structure for a v1 - v2 upgrade?

I sent you an email with a few pictures to the rcproductdesign email address showing what parts I had - don't know if you got the email or have had a chance to look at the pics.

Thanks,
Stephen

[perez1410]

Just to keep everybody updated. We are currently working on the prototype assemblies for the slipper system for our kit. We should have working prototypes to test on our Feb 5th race here in Michigan. I will keep the group up to date.

Carlos

[microrcdude]

Thats sweet! And you better keep us up to date.

[perez1410]

We are also currently in the design stage of our own CF chassis with a different steering system. I will keep you all posted on progress. The goal is that you still use the Associated gearboxes, diffs, steering components, etc and other misc. parts.

[DJ1978]

We will get some pics posted soon.
This will also work on a TC3 Rally,
For guys who run TC3 Oval Dirt.
This will bolt into any TC3

[microrcdude]

is the new chassis going to use NTC3 steering?

[perez1410]

is the new chassis going to use NTC3 steering?

We have not made the decision yet, but most likely be the TC4 steering system or our own design.

Regarding the slipper, the first one was tested today at our local track with great success. We will be putting extra time/mileage on the prototypes before we give it a go. I will post some pictures with the latest setup either tomorrow or Wednesday. I need the current shaft finished with a late add feature to it for ease of adjustment. We are very pleased with the results so far.

We will keep you all posted on the progress.

[DJ1978]

I guess Carlos was pleased with the results!! I put the first prototype in my car and I could not get the control out of his hands!!! I kept telling him, "Come on it is my car let me drive!!!"..... It fell on deaf ears.. LOL!! At least he didn't break it!! LOL!!

[microrcdude]

LOL i bet he gave it to you after the battery was dead.

[perez1410]

Yes. I ran through 3 or 4 battery packs...I think he only ran 1. The car looked good on the track.

[DJ1978]

Post the pics buddy!!

[jnegrx]

yes the picks would be great

[Cain]

Any thoughts to take the route of the BJ4x4 guys in the future and use suspension parts from a B4 or whatever the current buggy is at that time?

[microrcdude]

Prolly not. I think they get a good amount from making their own arms.

[perez1410]

Any thoughts to take the route of the BJ4x4 guys in the future and use suspension parts from a B4 or whatever the current buggy is at that time?


Cain, the issue with that is that we would have to reconfigure not just the A-arms, but c-hubs and CVD's too. We have our own designed CVD from MIP and use the carryover c-hubs and knuckles from the TC3. We also use the 1/8" hinge pin for the inner pivot points. All that would have to change.

Also JConcepts built their own Delrin A-arms to ensure the durability is in place. The B4 a-arms are a bit weak for the application (4wd buggy with much less kickup than the 2wd buggy), otherwise they would have never machined their own A-arms.

Remember too that the Delrin A-arms are machined, not molded. The cost of making them is significantly higher.

[DJ1978]

Also the intent with the TC3 "O" is to use as many of the TC3 Parts as possible.
By switching to a B4 or some other buggy arms we would have to either come up with a steering knuckle of our own or switch to something available on the market that is not TC3 compatible. The BJ team went with Losi parts, which we thought would be unacceptable to Associated loyal racers. We want this to be as much of an Associated based buggy as possible.
As many TC3 "O" owners know... The durability of our machined TC3 "O" A Arms is tremendous increasing durability of the car.
Dan

Any thoughts to take the route of the BJ4x4 guys in the future and use suspension parts from a B4 or whatever the current buggy is at that time?

[marcelo]

any video of the v2?

[marcelo]

which rims and tires are used with the v2, and which steering knuckles can i buy to replace the plastic ones.

Thanks

[perez1410]

The V2 kit comes with a full set of Schumacher rims. We designed the hex adapter to fit the Schumacher rims because of the strength of the hex molded feature in the rims is stronger than the Losi one. It is also deeper as well for more engagement of the wheel adapter.

We do not include tires in the kit. That seems to be a personal choice of the racer for their particular track.

If you wish to replace the plastic steering knuckles with Aluminum ones, GPM makes them for the TC3. Also Megatech used to make them. I am not sure if they still do.

Carlos

[perez1410]

Here are the slipper assembly pictures:

[perez1410]

Second picture:

[perez1410]

Third picture:

[perez1410]

We used the prototype assemblies in the last race over the weekend and I must say that once they were adjusted for the track condition, they worked great. Power was delivered very smoothly to the ground. We will be testing further this weekend and week after to get as much track time as we can with them. We are all currently using the 78T Spur from the B4. I wish they made smaller spurs though. The next size up is 81T. I don't think they will work with the stock chassis....but maybe they do. I will do more checking on that.

[marcelo]

Thanks for the info Perez!! Man the slipper rocks!!! now i really want to buy the kit cant wait, just need to save a little more :D. Will the slipper be included in the kit or it should be purchased apart?

[DJ1978]

We are working out the final details on the slipper. We have not decided if it will be a hop up or included in the kit.
If it is included in the kit, Drivers who have already purchased the V2 update or complete kit will recieve one at no cost.
I think I have already mentioned it... but I will re-emphasize.... When you put the slipper in you have to cut out the existing bearing support at in the rear of the chassis next to the motor mount. You would no longer be able to go back to the onroad set up if that is something you had thought of doing.
Dan

Thanks for the info Perez!! Man the slipper rocks!!! now i really want to buy the kit cant wait, just need to save a little more :D. Will the slipper be included in the kit or it should be purchased apart?

[microrcdude]

So is that a B4 spur i see there?

[perez1410]

Correct. That is a 78T B4 Spur gear.

[DJ1978]

We try hard to use as many readily available Associated parts a possible. Parts that will be available for a long time to come.

[perez1410]

What he said. :D

[MagicD]

Got my V2 up and running earlier this week. Had some handling problems to begin with (too much damping) and broke a rear arm. Today I made some changes to the suspension and it's helping to work toward a better setup.

Enough with the drab talk. Today was the first time I've ever said "I love this car!" The lightened drivetrain is a HUGE improvement over the V1 aluminum parts. The car is much more responsive, feels much lighter on it's feet and is causing MUCH less wear on the drive cups. I also gave it a healthy thrashing of kartwheels, flips and overshot double jumps and I didn't break a single part...I was estatic! With a Novak Brushless the car is plenty quick.

Oh, one of the best mods I've done to the car was to remove the front bumper. With the bumper installed, the car would catch on the dirt after a nose down landing and usually put the car on it's lid. With the bumper removed, the car is able to roll on the front tires for a bit before sitting the back end down again. I didn't realize how much of a difference that would make to the feel of the car...it started to land jumps like my b4...it was a very friendly feeling.

Props to the RCPD crew for making some really nice improvements to their kit.

[marcelo]

pics :D

[MagicD]

I'll get some static/action pics and maybe a movie up on Thursday night if I can.

Does anyone have any experience with using aluminum front hinge pin mounts on a TC3-O? I clipped a pipe today at pretty good speed and broke the front plastic mount. Granted, it would have probably broken any car's front end, not just the "O"'s but it left me wondering if going to an aluminum mount would be beneficial. It'd surely make me break the arm instead of the mount...but will the overall "beefy-ness" be increased?

Finally got my V2 body painted last night. The body does not have the prettiest lines I've ever seen, but with a decent paint job it sure makes the car look "finished".

[perez1410]

Magic, you could try using the front Aluminum Arm mount. It should solve any issues with that part breaking, but remember that you will now force the next weakest part to break which will be the A arms. Is the aluminum more robust? Yes it will, but at the expense perhaps of the next sacrificial part which is the a-arms.


Carlos

[MagicD]

Here's a pic of my baby. She's had her share of ups and downs, but when she works right, she flys!

I've got some video footage too, but I need to get it converted before uploading it to the net.

[marcelo]

Sweet looking car MagicD!!!!

[DJ1978]

I agree!!!
Nothing wrong with duplicating a fine paint job of a another vehicle

[CADD16]

Hey, I'm new to the TC3"O" and I am very interested in getting one. I was just wondering what tires fit TC3"O" and how wide are they" does proline make some or do you just buy the ones for the xxx4, and how about turnbuckles I've been looking around and can't seem to find the right size. Any help would be appreciated thanks.

[perez1410]

I was able to add the video of Dave's car to our website. The video is in the gallery area. Just scroll to the bottom and click on the picture that says video.

Video shown on this page. (http://www.rcproductdesigns.com/gallery.htm)

[MagicD]

Just wanted to publicly say thanks to the RCPD guys for hosting my video! I want all you board readers to know that the footage in that video is from the first day I really ever put the car through its paces. My setup and driving have only improved since then...there's quite a bit of potential in this little buggy.

That's also the very first time I've attempted to edit a video. I think it came out pretty decent if I do say so myself. ;)

[mguebert]

That track looks sweet, where is it?

Looks like your car suffers from the same problem that all of the 4wh seem to, they always look like they are sprung to stiff, by the way they bounce around on jumps, landings, and rough sections.

[MagicD]

Looks like your car suffers from the same problem that all of the 4wh seem to, they always look like they are sprung to stiff, by the way they bounce around on jumps, landings, and rough sections.

Yup, you're right. The car is setup a bit stiff in that video. I was most worried about breaking parts when landing off the big jumps so I set it up pretty stiff with heavy oil and beefy springs. I've softened it up a bit since then, and my driving has improved so the car handles a bit better now.

The track is in north Dallas, TX in a town called Carrollton. If you're ever in Dallas you've gotta check it out! They've got a website www.mikeshobbyshop.com that has realtime webcams of the tracks, so you might just catch me running out there around 1:00 CST on most weekdays.

[DJ1978]

Carlos and I are happy to announce that the slipper clutch design for the TC3 "O" is a huge sucess and we will go to production with it!

For all who have bought the V2 upgrade or complete kit, The slipper components will be sent to you at no charge as soon as they are available.

Thanks to all for your continues support and lets keep working together to help this hobby grow and revitalize 4 wheel drive racing!!
Dan

[MagicD]

I can't wait to see how well that bad boy works. Great price too! :D

[MagicD]

I raced my TC3"O" V2 for the first time today. We just got a new track layout and this is the first race on it, but I am proud to say that I top qualified and won the Mod Open class with a track record pace. I was the only 4wd out there and my setup and driving are far from perfect, but the difference in accelleration and high speed turning is remarkable when compared to an equally equipped mod 2wd B4. Lots of people were coming up to me asking what the heck I was running, and I think I've sparked some 4wd interest in at least 3 other guys today. Awesome! I got the feeling that most of them are going to get Losi kits so I'm interested in seeing what the difference in abuse tolerance is between an "O" and a XXX4 G+...because the last time I saw a whole bunch of XXX4s, I'd say at least 3/4 didn't finish.

Anyway, I look forward to seeing how the latest improvements to the TC3"O" will make this buggy even better.

[maxted]

perez
when the slipper is available?

[DJ1978]

I am working on the parts now and should have them done by the end of the month.
Dan

[maxted]

thank's dan
last week end i race on a very bumpy, fast and grippy track and without slipper it was a big problem.
curiously i don't break a transmission but a spur gear.
i make a mistake with springs beetween the truck and the buggy front springs (same color, diff rate).it's my big fault. too much parts in my racecase.
very good traction(batt back) better than losi and bj4. tires are same for all drivers it's easier to compare.
i was broken 2 front arms (2 times in left) on a fast double jump.
good car
CIAO

[DJ1978]

Let's hear it guys... How you doing with your TC3 "O"'s
4 wheel mod Point series winner at Washtenaw RC Raceway was a TC3 "O".
Johnny Loguidice. He held the track record lap time until the last race.
We had 4 in the top 10 in the point series this winter.
We averaged 3 heats of 4 wheel MOD.

[DJ1978]

Maxted,
I am very close to having them finished.. We will ship to all when they are complete.
How did you finish in that race?
It is unusual that you broke so much. The car is normally very durable. Was it an indoor or outdoor race? what was the temp? If you were in low 40s or so or transported your car to the track in the trunk of your car and it was cold it could make the arms brittle.
Or if the track has PVC Pipes... they are hard on suspension components.
We have Michigan Indoor Dirt State Championship race this Saturday. I will let you know how we do.
Thanks
Dan

[maxted]

stay cool guy's
i breake 2 fronts arm each time on left after a big jump.
you don't justify.
there isn't a problem for me.
keep you cool.
congratulation to Jhon for his race.

[DJ1978]

Maxted,
Thanks, I was just offering suggestions that may help. I had a guy in Italy want me to make him aluminum A Arms... He was running outside in high 30's weather and was shattering arms.
Dan

[Cain]

Hi,

I spoke with a TC3-O guy about getting some CVDs to test for an Academy SB MIP CVD conversion. Can you email me so we can discuss.

[DJ1978]

Very Quiet here.....
What is new guys??? How is the racing going?
We have news from Italy.
TC3 "O" will be in the warm up race for the Worlds. Possibly in the Worlds also.
I am working out the logistics of making it to the Off Road NATS at RC Madness in Enfield Connecticut the weekend of July 21st. It will probably be just me... So don't expect a miracle finish.. LOL! But I will give it my best shot and have some fun too.
I will have one or two cars fully set up there for test drives for any one who want to run one on Open practice Wed.
Let us know how you are doing with your cars!!
Thanks
Dan

[MagicD]

Congrats on getting the "O" into the Worlds warm up race! That's great news!

I unfortunely have some sad news. I've recently put my TC3"O" V2 up for auction on ebay. It's a sad day, but I'm in a bind for money lately and I haven't had a chance to use it so I figured why not send it to a good home where someone would. I'd be thrilled to see someone from this board take her home so here's the listing: http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=44019&item=5980791252&rd=1

Good luck in CT DJ (my hometown no less)!

[DJ1978]

Magic D..
Sold it??
Please give the person who bought it all our contact information.
Thanks
Dan

[Dan-o]

Does the "O" conversion work on sedans that have the IRS carbon conversion?

[DJ1978]

Dan-O,
We are working out the details on one right now!!! There are a few changes for the Carbon Fiber Chassis like the IRS.
We have two details to finish and then we will post pics.
Thanks
Dan

[Dan-o]

I would be very interested in such a conversion.

[maxted]

the slipper is finish or not.

[DJ1978]

The slipper is complete and can be purchased thru our web site. Email Carlos thru our company address and he will give you the necessary information.
www.rcproductdesigns.com
Thanks
Dan

[Dan-o]

any word on the compatibility of the IRS conversion and the "O" conversion?

[DJ1978]

I have pics I will post soon with the IRS Chassis. It is awesome!!
We will put the car thru some tough testing and then see about making it available.
Dan

[marcelo]

where are the pics :D

[BlueRacer]

Hmm, I think I have enough spare parts laying around to build one of these. Spare parts from Upgrading my Factory TC3 that is. :) May as well do something with all those parts.
Oh and I too would like to see the TC3O with IRS chassis Pics. Dan?

[DJ1978]

I have the pics but this site will not let me load them.
If someone who knows they are capable of downloading them on this site shoots me an email we can post them that way.
Thanks
Dan

[microrcdude]

I can post em. Shoot me an E-mail and illg et em up here

[microrcdude]

Here is the pics:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/microrcdude/CF_TC3O_3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/microrcdude/CF_TC3O_5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v726/microrcdude/CF_TC3O_7.jpg

Anytime anyone here needs some pics posted, E-mail me at silverlancer04@yahoo.com and ill do it for ya.