HB Lightning RR Forum v1.0

[cbr74]

There's tremendous satisfaction in knowing your buggy will compete with one costing twice as much, isn't there?

[gkcontra]

tall - do both, get squeezed for about $20 and get an OS, swap out motors when you want

[tallcracker]

yeah thats a good idea Gk.
i lost the screw that secures the purple engine mouting plate, any1 know w what size that booger is?

[nad138]

Hey Tall, nice meeting you on the track today (i'm the guy with the specs on).

The one with the Kanai was Bobby. Yeah i was also watching you guys go at it. Anyways, I'm also looking on a buggy to run (if my 1/10 needs to get sidelined for the day), and it's my first time to see a Lightning run....at the same time as a Kanai and a Storm.

Later.

[tallcracker]

nad
hey man it was nice meeting u too. i have alot of respect for bobby, he is a very very good driver!

i hope i left you with a good impression of the lightning.
i saw that u were intrested in the XTm buggy. have u purchased that yet or are u still looking?

[nad138]

Actually I'm really interested in the Lightning (cost wise and performance) but it seems nobody in our local track uses an XTM.
Really intrigued on the "unorthodoxed" layout of the Xterminator and decided to give it a try (go for broke I guess :D ) Hope to get it in a few days. Anyway, if I don't like it, the Lightning's next in my list. Hope to see you back on the track. I'll probably be there tomorrow (doing the 1/10).

[cbr74]

The engine mount adapter plates are secured by (4) 4X.7X6mm phillips flat head machine screws. I prefer to replace the phillips heads with socket (allen) heads myself.

If you can't find the right size locally. Fastener Express (http://www.fastener-express.com/store.asp) has the size you need.

[HBLighting PRO]

Originally posted by cbr74
Mine was missing a few knick knacks, but it isn't surprising to me. A new kit like that is bound to have a few initial issues. Mine was missing servo mounts, diff gaskets, and the silicone switch cover.
A few bucks worth of parts.

It's costing HB more in shipping than the missing parts are worth. LOL


ya, hope they dont go under cause of that stuff, but I'm missing the same stuff on my PRO as well

[HBLighting PRO]

Originally posted by HBLighting PRO
HOW DID YOU GET THOSE SERVO ARMS??????? I as well have the Pro, and I noticed I'm missing alot of parts that we're suppose to come with the kit.:confused: :confused: :confused: :confused: :confused:




Does anybody know where i can find something like those easy brake bias adjusters, like maybe a website?

[tallcracker]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by nad138
Actually I'm really interested in the Lightning (cost wise and performance) but it seems nobody in our local track uses an XTM.
Really intrigued on the "unorthodoxed" layout of the Xterminator and decided to give it a try (go for broke I guess :D ) Hope to get it in a few days. Anyway, if I don't like it, the Lightning's next in my list. Hope to see you back on the track. I'll probably be there tomorrow (doing the 1/10). [/QUOTE

sounds cool. let me know when you are gonna run at M & M with the Xterminator. i have made a few changes to my base set up to make the car a little easier to drive and we can try those on ur car too. i bet it will be a real screamer with that 24.7 motor. i cant make m & M tomorrow but i may make it out saturday.

[cbr74]

Does anybody know where i can find something like those easy brake bias adjusters, like maybe a website?
Technically, they should have been included with the kit. They are part of the parts group C8112.

If you call HB and ask for Alvin(the tech guy) and explain to him what you're missing, he's very good about getting the parts to you. (at least he has for me so far)

[HBLighting PRO]

Originally posted by cbr74
Technically, they should have been included with the kit. They are part of the parts group C8112.

If you call HB and ask for Alvin(the tech guy) and explain to him what you're missing, he's very good about getting the parts to you. (at least he has for me so far)


thanks cbr74, i'll try that

[cbr74]

OK, talked to Alvin at HB... and you can, in fact, put the dual brakes on the rear, but you have to be VERY careful to set the clearance just right.

Here's what you need:

C8046 Disk Brake $3.19
C8047 3X20mm screws $.85
C8048 brake disc plates $4.04
C8049 brake pads $3.23

Ricky's R/C (1-800-221-6053)has the parts in stock. Down side is.. it'll cost you $7 shipping for $11.31 in parts.


If you RR owners want to run quad brakes, simply increase quantity on C8046 and C8047 to 2.

[tallcracker]

hey cbr
thanks for that site about the screws. that is just the site i have been looking for! and thanks for the tip about the quad brakes, you are really helping us out alot by venturing out and finding what works on these buggys and by getting the part numbers for us.

[cbr74]

Yeah, aren't I great? hahahahahaha

Until the Lightning really starts to develop a niche for itself in the ultra competitive 1/8 market, we have to do everything we can to show people how good this buggy is and how good it can be.

The Hyper 7 PBS will mark Ofna's 12th buggy offering.. 12!!! Sheesh.
Out of morbid curiosity, I checked what a dual brake conversion would cost for an Ofna... nearly triple the price!

[tallcracker]

i agree 110% cbr, people just do not realize the value this buggy really is. i cant wait till my tax return comes and my baby gets everything she needs. after getting that 4mm front tower i now know i want the 4mm rear tower. they cost an arm and a leg but they are bulletproof, and you only have to buy them once.

ofna has a few good products, but they sell alot more crap. they should realize when u start slapping ur name on anything with 4 wheels and an engine it could hurt youre reputation. out of those 12 buggys arent only 2 race worthy? kinda sad if u ask me.

[HBLighting PRO]

........and you konw what else is funny.......the newest ofna is pretty much the same thing as our Lightning's, not only that but our lightnings are ALOT cheaper

[cbr74]

Going to Las Vegas this weekend and hopin to find a track to turn some laps with my Lightning... should be fun.

[gkcontra]

There's a track righ off the strip, can't remember the address though. It is the track that holds the Silver State.

[tallcracker]

thats awsome, take some pics for us to see of the track and ur car flying.

[cbr74]

Silver State R/C (http://www.silverstaterc.com/)

4754 E. Flamingo Road #119

Las Vegas, Nevada 89121



:D Gotta love good ole Google.

[bubbastump]

why is it that on weekends it rainin or snowin lately?
i wanna drive on track b4 it gets tore down and we rebuild it.
when its all done there is an open invation for everyone to come race and play

[atm92484_3]

I guess I'll toss up a pic of my newest Lightning body. I just wish I didn't have to size it down so much. :(

[atm92484_3]

Another one.

[k_bojar]

atm - nice pics...what body is that??? I think the Hot Bodies one is alot nice once you get the paint off it :);)

Has anyone noticed that the tires on both versions look like TRC's buggy tires?? I know the Pro's kinda look like "Grippers"

I wonder if they struck some kind of deal with Trinity/TRC or the Italian company that makes 'em for Trinity :confused:

[atm92484_3]

Proline 7.5 Crowd Pleazer :)

I agree, the stock body isn't too bad. I just wish that Hot Bodies would have atleast left the Pro's body clear.

[soslo]

Now, now tallcracker..
You bad mouthing Ofna?? LOL!! :)
Bring that hunk of HB to Clarkes', if it doesn't rain. (which it will)
Otherwise we are going to try and run 1/8 at K&M in New Caney, if we can talk Brent into it. It is indoor, and races start at 6:00. So you and gk have plenty of time to make it there. They already run 1/10 gas, so why not !/8, even if it is a small track. We shall see.
Ofna now has the Kyosho drivers, plus Kinwald.
They have to pay for them somehow!
The prices still aren't as bad as dang Kyosho. The low end Ofnas' are a lot better than they were ( they had a recall and have uprade kits for the axles ), but they still aren't near as bad as the Kyosho low end stuff.
I will find out more about this weekend tomorrow, and let ya'll know.
Stay dry! :cool:

[tallcracker]

soslo
nothing personal man about the ofnas! :D i think the 7 and 9.5 are cool. so the kyosho drivers are going to run ofnas now? im lost, whos running the kyosho buggys?

and i wanted to thank u again for the tires man, i ran them tuesday and they did really well. i think i am going to boil the rims and use them with some new crime fighters. i will come and watch saturday, but i am out of gas and low on cash. tax return comes in 8 days!! then i will be racing with yall every chance i get. are you going to be at reflex on sunday? i might stop by and buy a gallon of blue thunder once my paycheck clears.

did you get that engine yet for the hyper? i wanna check it out when yall get it and see how she runs.

[nad138]

hey soslo, is K&M aka Reflex ? Want to check out some other tracks besides M&M. I'm running 1/10 gas and 1/8 soon.

[cbr74]

Big brown truck brought me some more stuff from HotBodies today. Got the switch cover and all my diffs have gaskets now.

While I had it apart, I did a few things and noticed a few things.

Rear hub bearings had grease packed in between them... I cleaned it all out and swapped in some BBB rubber seals.

The set screws for the hub cross pins were loose when I took them off, they're tight now.

Did a little work in the radio box area after installing the switch cover. I modified the antenna mount a bit so it isn't in the way of the radio box retainer clip and I drilled a hole in the box so the antenna exits right next to the mount.
Then I made a air filter bracket out of an old Ofna sway bar. I used the antenna mount to secure it by running a shorter screw in from the bottom, then another short one in the top to hold the bracket.
The pic:
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Feb/20032135977213223745131.jpg

:D

[tallcracker]

Originally posted by nad138
hey soslo, is K&M aka Reflex ? Want to check out some other tracks besides M&M. I'm running 1/10 gas and 1/8 soon.

no reflex is at I-10 and bunkerhill, K&M is in new caney.
alot of the tracks i mentioned previously will be opening soon for 1/8th scale gas

[soslo]

I was just messn' w/ya tallcracker,...cuz I know I can! LOL!! No offense taken whatsoever. :) It's all fun and games.
Oh ya.. Got him a Mugen for the GT, and the P5 for the Hyper. He won't get them until next weekend though. (b/day)

The previous option for rainout at Clarkes' came from Larry's Hobbys, talking with the K&M bunch (Andy, Roger, Derek....).

Just left Reflex, and another option for this weekend that THRC likes better is...
If rainout occurs at Clarkes' (pearland), and since they have drainage problems, races may be held at M&M on Sunday. The M&M track drians well, so it should be ok for Sunday.
Just have to wait and see what happens Saturday. But Danny (thrc) would really like to run somewhere! (not K&M)
Dang Rain!!

Gotta' make one of those supports for the Hyper. They do help.

nad?? Why would you possibly want to go anywhere else besides M&M?? hehe!!
What do you drive in 1/10?
Have patience..
1) Clarkes, in Pearland, is attempting to open now. (grand opening race this weekend??)
2) Torq Raceway Park (I-10 & 1960) is still getting permits and trying to work around rain.
3) Fastrax Hobbies (I-10 and Normandy) should have their track going around the 1st of next month.
4) K&M Racing (New Caney) (indoor track) is in limbo, because the owner wants to retire. Unless someone buys it, it may close. They are running electric, and 1/10 gas. The fumes may be a little much with 1/8 though. And the track is small.
5) Reflex is still in limbo for offroad gas, because of noise problems with a neighbor, but still runs electric offroad.

Check out www.teamhoustonrc.com for updates and directions.

WHEW!!!.... :confused:
I sound like a dang comercial!

All this for a weekend race! :cool:
Ya' think everyone is getting tired of the rain yet?

[nad138]

thanks Tall/Soslo. I'm running a NTC3. Now that it's gonna rain in the weekend, might was well disassemble ,re-tune and install upgrades on the car.

[tallcracker]

well soslo
keep me updated as to what happens. i work saturday, but if the races are at m & M on sunday i maybe could pull that one off.
i need to clean my car, get a screw, buy new tires and glue them, get gas. hmm alot to do, agh well i will see how it goes. keep me updated and we will see whats up.

[soslo]

Did you sign up for the newsletter tallcracker?
They sent an update out today.
If it rains too much tonight, and can't race tomorrow, the races are on for Sunday at Clarkes, unless it really got flooded. Then it is off, and preperations for Round 1 of the RC Pro Series (or the Invitational.. I forget) will get under way for next weekend.
Just have to cater to Mother Nature and see how things go.
They are keeping the website updated as well, for this weekend.
If the races aren't until Sunday.. Come on over there.
We won't race next weekend, as it will be b/day time. He wants to play laser tag and take it easy.

nad.. We need to have a looonngg talk with you about going offroad! LOL!!
Have you tried the rally conversion kit? The TC3 jumps suprisingly well!! :)

[tallcracker]

yeah soslo
i signed up for the newsletter, i didnt know they were going to send out the updates. they are really ontop of thier game. i hope it rains a little and every1 races on sunday. im keeping my fingers crosed.

[soslo]

Sunday would be best, as his Hyper is in peices!

You better come Sunday, and you had better race! :cool:

He is just going to run the Hyper .21, now that we got the right glow plug for it.
It made a world of difference with the right plug. duh!!..hehe!!
He wants to save the v01b for the Nats. in June, and doesn't know I got him a P5 for his b/day either. I b sneaky like that! :)

Keep a chk. on the updates.

[HBLigHtnIngRR]

Hey what's up y'all. Well I haven't said anything is a while, so here's the talk:

As most of you know, I am the one who is interested in putting a 2 speed for my lightning. The one I found made by ofna has a 2 speed clutch bell. Since there are new people on the forum, I'm gonna ask this question again- Where can I get a crank shaft extention to accomodate the 2 spd. clutch bell? I have seen them on Tower or Hobbypeople for a .15 touring car, they came in a whole 2 speed set, made for a specific car. I'm pretty sure I will have to make the shaft longer, so I might just wait to get a new engine with a longer crank shaft.
I found a fuel that's really worth trying out! It's called Eliminator Race Fuelby Wildcat. It's made by the same people who make Monster Fuel. The website is http://www.wildcatfuel.com
Thanks you guys, I really appreciate all your help! Please help me again!
Steve

[CHEVYMAN07]

Can yall help me, and educate me on the 1/8 buggys? I really like the speed and power these buggys have and was wondering what the pros and cons are between the lightning and the ultra lx pro. Which is better and faster and more durable. thank you for answering my questions

[soslo]

HB
Call www.nitrohouse.com
1-800-928-0304
They should be able to help.
or
Go to the Ofna site and post it on their board also. There is always some one in there playing w/2 speeds! :)

ChevyMano
The Lightning is a good buggy, and is newer.
I haven't seen anyone gripe about any major issues with them in here, and tallcrackers' goes very well.
The Ultra LX is aa older model, and is a good buggy also.
They have got the "forgotten diff. gear shims on the assembly line" problem resolved. The 6mm axles seem to bend quite easily in them, so there is now an upgrade kit (another $60.00) to 8mm axles.
There are always "upgrades" you are going to want to make to any buggy you get.
They are both just as fast, just depends on the motor and gearing. The LX may have a slight edge with the .25 though, as compared to the stock Lightning motor. The .25 is not a legal race motor either, but can be raced at most club races.
For bashing, both will work fine.
For racing, go with the HB.
Hope this helps! :)

tallcracker
Looks like the rain strip has targeted us.
That's a loss. :(

[gkcontra]

HB - to run the 2 speed you will need to get a new engine, one with a standard shaft instead of a pilot shaft. You will then be able to get a longer clutch nut for it, may even come with the 2 speed kit, I'm not sure. Listen to soslo and call nitrohouse, they are an OFNA distributor and know their stuff when it comes to those cars.

[soslo]

Races are officially off at Clarkes this weekend.
Don't think my driver wants to attempt suicide, and go to K&M tonight either. LOL!!
Maybe we should call 911 to be on standby for them?

[carltonck]

Hey what is every one doing with the ride height on the lightning?

I have put 35wt shock oil in the rear and used preloaders or spacers all the way around. I am kinda new at this but I guy out at the track told me that if I lift either the front end or back end of the buggy up to a 45 then drop it the axels should be level.

I have got that but with about a inch of spacers. Is this normal?

Should I go to a heavier wt. oil or what?

Also I am slowly upgrading mine,

I have put 6 X 10 bearing in the steering and alum. anti bending rods.

Any suggested hop ups would be great.

[tallcracker]

yeah soslo
i am at work now and the rain is still coming down. i was really hoping to run sunday, but what can ya do. have u made it out to the pearland track yet? how does it look? i was thinking about driving by after work today but now i have an appointment so we will see. is every1 gonna hang out at relex on sunday? i need to buy some gas so i will stop by and say hi if u are there.

[tallcracker]

Originally posted by carltonck
Hey what is every one doing with the ride height on the lightning?

I have put 35wt shock oil in the rear and used preloaders or spacers all the way around. I am kinda new at this but I guy out at the track told me that if I lift either the front end or back end of the buggy up to a 45 then drop it the axels should be level.

I have got that but with about a inch of spacers. Is this normal?

Should I go to a heavier wt. oil or what?

Also I am slowly upgrading mine,

I have put 6 X 10 bearing in the steering and alum. anti bending rods.

Any suggested hop ups would be great.

the suggestion on the ride hight was right on. the bones level front and back is a great baseline set up. the spring on the lightning are a little soft and sometimes you do have to add 2 spacers. i have a big spacer and a med one i think on the back. as long as the bones are level dont worry. the blue 7.5 springs are the way to go though, and they are a little stiffer so u will need less preload spacers. i think that 35 weight is about as thick as you would want to go with the oil. the car will always bottom out because they are so heavy, but the thinner oil helps it cope with small bumps on the track. i have also added the alum front and rear chasis braces, they are def a nice addition. u might look to the 3 shoe clutch, new tires and the kyosho springs for hop ups. those should make u very competitve.

[soslo]

No..We haven't gone out there yet.
From the pictures on the thrc site, it is a lot of rythm sections, with small jumps, so speed and torque should not be an issue. Any motor should work fine. That is why we were just going to run the Hyper .21 anyway.
We may go to Reflex tomorrow. Depends on if the kiddo wants to play XBox or go up there and b.s.
I don't think Reflex has any fuel up there.
Larry's is cheaper anyway.

[tallcracker]

well this weather sucks
keep me updated soslo as to if you are gonna run up to Reflex or not.

on another note is any1 running a failsafe or a throttle return spring? i am not doing either and i know my day will come where i wish i had atleast 1 of the two. when i order my Mx3 i might also get a failsafe, so guys any reccomendations?

[gkcontra]

Originally posted by carltonck
Hey what is every one doing with the ride height on the lightning?

.

Actually on the front I run arms level, not axles, and axles level in the rear. it gives a little less twitch in the steering

[soslo]

tallcracker...
Got talked into going to K&M tonight.
They are supposedly only going to be open for 2 more weeks anyway. May as well show some support.
Come on out there if you can. We will be there until midnight or so. Bring an oxygen tank with you, if you do come. LOL!!

[tallcracker]

what classes are they running tonight? it stopped raining here and the sun is coming out pretty strong. i dont know how the pearland track dries, but if it has good drainage it might be ready by tomorrow midday if we dont have any addition a thunder storms.:D

[nad138]

soslo,

can't wait to hear what you have to say on converting the NTC3 for off-road use. Frankly, I'm still having a blast doing on-road. Anyway, I've jumped on the band wagon and got me an XTM (just to be different:p ). Will probably meet you on the track one of these days.

I might be at Clarke's on the Nationals (will ask Ezekiel if he wants to go). Have fun at K&M.

[nad138]

hey Tall, got me an MX-3 myself. As for the failsafe, I'd be more at peace if I have both (spring and failsafe). Ebay has a few out there for auction right now if you're tight on the budget.

[HBLighting PRO]

Man, it sure is nice when your the fastest car at the local track, I finally got to break it in today!:D :D :D After about 5 tanks of gas, my air filter was really dirty, along with the rest of the car, I was wondering what to use to clean the car, as well as the air filter? Also, does anybody know when the HB web site is gonna be back up????


The Pontiac WS6 and the HB,

[HBLighting PRO]

ahh

[tallcracker]

it looks like the ram air on your real car is almost big enough to swallow the lightning lol

to clean the car buy some denatured alcohol from home depot, sears, lowes or another hardware type store. get a cheap spray bottle and spray the entire buggy down. pretty much all the dirt and grime should come right off as soon as it is hit with the alcohol, but it if is stubborn take a tooth brush to it then blast some more after you have got the dirt loosened up. i normally use about a quart when i clean my buggy, so dont hesitate to spray the crap out of it. and try and keep it away from the servos, i have heard of it damaging electronics, but i have never had any problems myself. after all the crap is off let it dry for about 30-45 minutes. then take a large paintbrush and spray it with wd-40. wipe down the entire car. make sure you get all metal parts with the WD-40 so nothing rust. the WD-40 soaks into the plastic and makes it have anice sheen and also makes it easier to clean next time. this can normally make the car look band new, of course u stil have to tear it down every so often, but this is a simple way to avoid alot of work inbetween those rebuilds.



o yeah the airfilter. you can use the same alcohol to clean the airfilter. i just soak it in a baggy full of the stuff then use a clean towel to squeeze it and remove all the dirt. the give it 1 hour to completly dry then add the air filter oil and your all done.

[HBLighting PRO]

thanks tall, i think i'll try that!:)

[E-rexx]

Is the pro version a good racer/basher.
If i got it, I would get
Mx-3 with 1 standard servo
Trinity 1100mah receiver pack
Hitec steering servo
Other needs, like glow plug and starter

Would the Os. A5 glow plug work?
It seems like alot of money for a kid like me, but i want it alot.
I could sell my stampede or my rustler, or my emaxx, wait, i wont sell my emaxx, but u get my point. Do you think it is worth saving for this?
Thanks,
E-rexx

[atm92484_3]

Its defiently worth it. Just wait until you see one in person and you can see what the car includes. I would reccomend getting a better servo for the throttle or brake though. I've seen a couple of instances where a standard servo strips out from stopping a 1/8 buggy or just doesn't have the power to stop the buggy that well. The A5 glowplugs will do fine along with the A3s.

[tallcracker]

i got the screws i needed and my car is all cleaned up yet again. i checked the engine and it seems to have no noticeable wear, even after more then 2 gallons. i am really impressed with the quality, esp for a "sport" engine. on another note i can always turn the carb , like rotate it in the barrel, even when the set screw is tight. was this a defect or what? it does take some force to move the carb, so i am thinking no air can get it, but it does kinda stay on the back of my mind and bother me.

[carltonck]

Any one tried a mugen wing mount? seems to hook up the same as the stock hot bodies. Broke mine at the track on Sat. any ideas besides waiting a week for one from Hot bodies? Also I Bought some blue medium kyosho 7.5 springs. Anyone tried these on the Lightning?

[cbr74]

Bubba got a Mugen wing stay, but I'm not sure if he ever got it installed.

[HBLigHtnIngRR]

Hey Carltonck,
SOmeone on this board did use those Kyosho blue springs- The're a bit stiffer than the stock yellow springs, so that calls for less preload spacers.

[HBLigHtnIngRR]

Hey guys, guess what! I can't run my car until I get a new pull starter! I took the thing off, and sure enough, the darn thing popped off, and I can't see a way to put this thing back on! I can't rebuild it!!!
LEt me know if they are possible to rebuild,
STeve

[tallcracker]

yes they can be rewound. it isnt fun or easy but it can be done. i would do a search for it on rcnitro.com and see what i says.

[tallcracker]

i went to the track today and ran through a quart or so. nothing new to report, no damage and the buggy ran great as always. what % nitro is every1 running? i ask because i have been using 20% and everyone is telling me to make the jump to 30%. i could def use the power, but i dont wanna sacrifice much engine life. what does everyone think about performance vs longevity of the engine using a higher nitro content.

[HBLighting PRO]

Originally posted by HBLigHtnIngRR
Hey guys, guess what! I can't run my car until I get a new pull starter! I took the thing off, and sure enough, the darn thing popped off, and I can't see a way to put this thing back on! I can't rebuild it!!!
LEt me know if they are possible to rebuild,
STeve


I have done this several times, and I find it easy if you have another person to hold it when you wind it up, if you dont have any friends, then i suggest getting a starter box, its alot easier

[cbr74]

You know the manual for the 7.5 and the Lightning are near identical? Right down to the typo's.... LOL

[Kenny123]

Is the Lightning a good buggy? I want to start racing 1/8 scale buggys but what is a good one?

[cbr74]

It's a top shelf buggy without the top shelf price. If you seriously want to race, get the Pro version and some quality radio gear and go for it.

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by cbr74
You know the manual for the 7.5 and the Lightning are near identical? Right down to the typo's.... LOL

Pretty cool, huh :) Actually there are a couple of subtle differences between the 2 buggies - the biggest being the length of the rear upper arm, the Lightning's are longer

And some of the steps in the directions are different too - not too mention some of the icon-age :)

But I'm pretty sure they are almost identical buggies :D:D

[gkcontra]

what % nitro is every1 running? i ask because i have been using 20% and everyone is telling me to make the jump to 30%. i could def use the power, but i dont wanna sacrifice much engine life.

Tall - I run 30%, I did this in my storm for a couple of gallons, and it still had good compression when sold. You can run a litlle richer with 30% and that helps to protect the engine while giving a snappier throttle. The higher nitro %s only hurt in smaller engines or if you don't know how to tune, but then again if you don't know how to tune you'll burn'em up with any %.

[E-rexx]

If the 7.5 and lightning are almost the same, how is the lightning cost so much less?

[tallcracker]

just one of those mysteries:D

[cbr74]

If the 7.5 and lightning are almost the same, how is the lightning cost so much less?
The question should be: Why does the Kyosho cost so much more?

:p

[ttweedle]

I just bought some 7.5 parts for my buggy and they all fit to a "T". But looking at the two identicle parts I could see the difference. Kyosho parts were machined, HB parts were stamped. They both will work, but when machined out of billet aluminum its just a stronger part. machining puts less stress on the molecular structure of the part, as opposed to stamping it, by using a die (sharp cookie cutter designed for that part.) You can see that they are stamped by looking at the edge of the aluminum. Stamping is cheaper so you get the cost savings sent on to the end user. Us.

[cbr74]

Maybe so... but until I bend one of my stamped 4mm 7075 towers (which I have yet to accomplish), I'll gladly take the cost savings.

[Kenny123]

Where can I buy parts for this car? Where can I buy the Lightning PRO?

[cbr74]

Ricky's R/C has the Lightning Pro part #55002 for $380.
1-800-221-6053
They also carry all parts for the Lightning.

[atm92484_3]

Originally posted by cbr74
The question should be: Why does the Kyosho cost so much more?

:p

4 words: Great Planes Model Distributors

They're the only people to bring Kyosho into the U.S. so they have a sort of monopoly on their products. Too bad Kyosho didn't get another distributor when their old contract with GPMD was up 1 1/2 years ago. :(

[cbr74]

Well, I got 3 words for Great Planes... wanna guess what they are?

[Kenny123]

what???

[Kenny123]

Is there a web site that's not towerhobbies, where I can buy parts?

[cbr74]

After hearing about how excellent my Lightning Pro is, a friend of mine just ordered one for herself. :D

And another joins the ranks...

Kenny... at the moment.... no, not that I know of but Ricky's would be the most likely place to have any parts you might need since they share a building with Hot Bodies.

[k_bojar]

Cool...Another little difference between the Lightning and the 7.5 is the size of the screws used to attach the bulkhead to the chassis - Kyosho uses a 4mm screw and the HB uses a 3.5mm screw

cbr74 - Now that's what my track needs, a couple of females to run 1/8th scale :)

Even parts "directly" from Hot Bodies come from Ricky's R/C - I just got an order of missing parts yesterday and the return addy was Ricky's R/C

Man - I wish the spring weather was here already - I really, really, really wanna run this buggy :) :( But the 25" of snow from the weekend put a damper on that :mad: :mad:

[cbr74]

25" of snow.... WOW

Let's see... 60 degrees and sunny... hmmm

[SVTMaxx]

:D

[E-rexx]

Www.meganitro.com has the pro for $355. I wonder if extreme rc motor sports will get them. They seem to have good prices.

[SVTMaxx]

Extreme has a thing up on their site now that says they are no longer going to carry the buggies and are going to get more involved in monster trucks.

[slamminsam]

I sell them for $335.00 plus shipping

[HBLighting PRO]

:mad: I am really up set with the qualtiy of the paint on my car.......I just washed it with soap and water......and the paint praticaly melted:mad: Not only that, but my tire life sucked! (no! I didnt do doughnuts all over the place)........But I am surpised that I can kick most all of the other races at the track

[tallcracker]

the paint thing sucks, but the tire wear is normal. the softer the compound the more bite you have but less life.

[carltonck]

I am new to 1/8 scale buggies and I have a question about a strange noise I hear when I run.

I am hearing a squeek in the drive train I not sure what it is. Is this something to be concerned about?

I do not hear it when engine is not running and just push it so not sure where to look I also do not hear anything when the car is at idle.

I only really hear it when the car is running by me.

Also What kind of lube does the RTR Lightining have in the diffs?
Should I put something else in them, do I need any thing besides just buying the lube?

Also what about running Helicopter fuel in it someone told me it keeps the motor lubed and cool.

I was getting temps in the 270 range so I richen it up but now I load up in the low I got the temps down to 250.

Should I just keep richening it up and leaning the lowend?
What about the mid.?

Any help would be great guys

[tallcracker]

i wouldnt use airplane fuel, tends to run hot.
i think your gear mesh is tight. it shouldnt be squeeking. make sure u can slightly rock the clutch bell.

it has black grease in the diffs. it works ok until u need to go racing. then 7k in the center diff, 5k in the front ans 1k in the back.

it should run around 240 with car fuel.

[cbr74]

Ordered a Mugen XR center diff mount to check compatibility. I hope it works... I want that purple aluminum one!

[carltonck]

I check the gear mesh and it was too loose, glad thats all it was.

Any suggestions on how to put in diff fluid?

How do you clean out the black diff grease?

How much fluid in each diff?

Best way to get at them?

[k_bojar]

The rear diff is the easiest to get at...Just take out 6 screws and then gently pull the diff out the back - pay attention to how the diff was installed, because it can fit in either way :)

The front is much harder to get at...You have to remove the entire front-end assembly and the remove 6 screws and pull the diff out

The center one is easier than the front to remove...Disassemble your throttle and brake linkages, and remove the 4 screws under the housing...Pull the unit straight out - you may have to remove the radio tray to do this...Once the center unit is out, undo 1 set screw on the brake link and it should "fall" apart

Taking the diffs apart is easy - 4 screws and its in half...I used motor spray to clean out the gunk that in the diffs to begin with...Mine (the Pro) have silicone in them, so all I had to do was dump them and clean out the remains...

I have 2 done, and was too tired to do the 3rd last nite....Once I'm finished, I gotta reassemble the whole thing :)

I've been told to fill the silicone to just above the 4 smaller gears...It seems to work pretty well that way...Fill it once and then work the gears and then re-fill as needed, kinda like building a shock :) It wasnt too hard or took that long

[geo8498]

Is it a Tmaxx? Is it a Savage? Is it a Dominator? No...it's LMaxx.

What to do when there's snow outside and you can't drive. Bought some cheap Tmaxx wheel and tires and mounted them onto the Lightning. Had to go to the hardware store for some items in order to mount them. Everything was done without cutting a single thing.

Removed the 17mm hubs.

Items needed...

4 3/8x24 special hex nuts @$1.25 ea.

Not sure just what they are called, but the one side has notches which work great for hooking onto the lug pin. They slide right over the axle and are the perfect fit or the TMaxx Hex.


4 M5x20 80 pitch bolts @ .20 ea plus washers.

These screw into the center of the axle and tighten the wheel to the nut.

[HBLighting PRO]

does it even turn with out binding on the bodie, rock gaurds, etc? (can it turn)

[cbr74]

You do realize how much that whacks your gearing right?

[HBLighting PRO]

....not only that..its knida silly

[geo8498]

Didn't think it was silly at the time. Don't have the money for a monster truck right now, and thought I'd give it a try so I could bash around.

Would it be enough to gear down with a lower tooth clutch bell, or could it cause seious damage to the other gears?

I figured if this didn't work, either way, when I do get a Savage or Tmaxx, I'd have a second set of wheels.

[cbr74]

You could drop to a 12 tooth bell, but it'll still smoke your clutch very quickly.

[tallcracker]

extra wear and tear will be caused but i dont think any serious damage will be caused in a short period of time.
i dont se how serious damage will be caused to the gears, the clutch will wear faster but the gears are more then strong enough for lerger tires. i dont think its silly, i think it looks cool. dont let em get to ya geo
:D

[cbr74]

Nope, not silly at all. I know about the clutch from experience:
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Feb/20032215369606489404610.jpg

[HBLigHtnIngRR]

Yes!! You Rock Geo! I've been wanting to put big savage tires on my lightning (I might go with smaller T-Maxx tires), but I don't have the money right now. So... How does it turn- Do the tires hit the rock guards or the body? All's you have to do now is put a Gravedigger Monster Truck body on that baby, and you're set!! One more thing... Does that pipe you have on the buggy give any increases in performance? Just wondering if I should upgrade to a better pipe (than stock)!


Oh, and most amazingly- I saw a monster truck made by Hot Bodies! It's called Dirt Demon and you can see this bad boy at http://www.extremercmotorsports.com/Hot-Bodies-Dirt-Demon.htm
Tell me what you think,
Steve

[cbr74]

The stock pipe is very similar to an RB 086. Changing to an 063 style pipe like the OFN 10057 would net you some top end at the expense of some low end torque.

The Dirt Demon is intriguing.. electric start .26..... but that body just looks way out of proportion to the rest of the truck.

[geo8498]

The front wheels are a bit close to the guards, but they don't touch and it turns fine. The buggy body doesn't fit with the wheels. The only thing that is touching is the manifold which would need to be lifted a bit.

I took the thing out to the driveway for a quick spin. About half a tank. I still have my 14 tooth in there. Not much in the way of power, but I might try the 13 tooth. I was able to hurdle a big snow drift though.

I have a Bolinks Willies body that's been sitting around. I just painted it and got some RPM Tmaxx mounts, which I may try out this weekend. It'll need some major carving and will probably sit very high.


As for the CVEC pipe... I got a noticable increase in both low and top end. The pipe is adjsutable by repositioning a spring and cotter pin in a series of holes inside. The factory setting wasn't any different than the Lightning's stock pipe. The high setting though gave me alot of punch. It sounds pretty cool too.

A couple of complaints that I have. It leaks and I haven't gotten the right stuff to seal it. It didn't come with a set screw for the front either, which is a big pain, because the Lightning screw is too small for the pipe. I had to do some carving on the splash guards because the pipe is so short. Same goes for my beautiful "alien goo" painted body. I just spent an hour last night rebending a decent looking rod for the front. I also thought the pipe should have come flanged. It popped off a couple of times the first time I took it out to test it. I really had to yank on those ties with pliers.

[geo8498]

parts I used to mount the wheels

[geo8498]

The nut that I found gives just enough space for the tires to clear critical parts like the chassis and arms. I knew this would be a concern when I was checking out the wheels. I had intended on using nylon spacers, but didn't need them. I do think I will need to put a washer on the end though because the axle sticks out a bit and the wheel doesn't seat against anything very firm when the bolt is tightened.

[geo8498]

front clearance

[geo8498]

Linkage for the CVEC pipe. The body rub resulting in the scratch has been fixed by readjusting the pipe angle and running some fuel line around the body cut out. You may notice the balloon on the splash guard to prevent the same thing on the bottom. The baloon will be replaced with heatshrink.

The set screw on the end of the rod is from the parts box from my old R/C airplane control linkage.

[HBLighting PRO]

aren't digital camera great?!?!?.......Man...that must suck having 25" of snow (or however much it is)........I guess that's why you do projects like that

[geo8498]

Winter's driving me nuts. If it's not snowing or raining, it 10º out. Had a nice day in the forties yesterday and I didn't drive because I was sick from shoveling snow. Now today it's raining when I got home from work.

I guess you can only rebuild the shocks and charge the batteries so many times before you get bored. I've run out of things on the car to wrap in balloons or cover with colorful fuel line.

I oughta move to Florida or Arizona.

[tallcracker]

im going to the hobby shop after work :D i should come back with some nice new additions for my lightning. i will let yall know how everything goes. the part i am looking forward to the most..... new body with no PINK!

[rcharry]

Hey im thinking on getting an lightning, can you tell me where can i get the pro version and what does that include and does that have an engine? And i see in earlyer posts, the pro version is missing parts, what parts and does HB send you them for free. Here in my town my LHS only carries losi and traxxas parts (SUCKS!!!) so where can i order lightning parts?
thanks

[rcharry]

One more question, for the lightning you can also put in silicon to increase traction right? And what weight do you guys use if so?
thanks

[slamminsam]

I use Mugen Silicone Diff Fluid. 1k for the rear, 10k for the center, 5k for the front. We sell the HB Lightning Pro for $335.00 at Pottbellysrc raceway in Vineland NJ.:D

[rcharry]

do you have a website, and does the pro have an engine?
thanks

[cbr74]

The Pro includes an engine. Only thing it needs is radio gear.

[rcharry]

what does the pro have that the regular doesnt?

[slamminsam]

www.pottbellysrc.com

we donot have a website to sell online but if you have paypal i can sell you with payments made by paypal. The pro has 4mm shock towers. front and rear aluminum chassis braces, center cvd drive shafts, aluminum front steering knuckles, 7075 aluminum chassis and different tires. also dual front disc brake setup.

[slamminsam]

there is also an aluminum front hinge pin pivot mount for the front arms.

[tallcracker]

hey harry. glad to see some of the guys are helping ya out on here already. i wrote a list for ya under the "axis" topic about what i can remeber that the pro comes with and the rr doesnt.
cbr may be able to add some that i forgot seeing as how he owns a pro and i dont.

[rcharry]

yeah i saw that Tall - thanks
and slaminsam, can i send a Money order to you:D
and thanks guys

[slamminsam]

Sure can. send me an email and we will discuss things.

samlairson@lairson.com

[cbr74]

Here's the Pro feature list as printed in RCCA:

powerful .21 racing engine
double-decker front brake
soft compound racing tires
[7075] 3mm hard annodized aluminum chassis
6.7mm hex wheel adapter
3 shoe clutch
[6061] suspension holder [3 degree]
deluxe shock set [100% aluminum]
front & rear sway bar sets
front universal axles
center universal axles
4mm [7075] shock towers
[7075] front & rear suspension holders
[7075] knuckle arms
hard shock shafts
front & rear chassis anti-bending rods

[slamminsam]

Yeah! Thats what I said! :D :D :D LOL

[cbr74]

Yeah, but it looks cooler when I say it. :p

$335 is a very good price for the Pro BTW.

[tallcracker]

lol
i agree 335 is a very good price. i would jump on that one.

[geo8498]

Okay, so the great experiment with the TMaxx wheels was driven today. Caught some really big air over 3-4 ft plowed snow piles. The kind of thing I wouldn't have attempted otherwise. The car flew straight and level, landing nicely with slight bottoming out. The test drive lasted about ten minutes when 3 of the retainer pins were discovered MIA. I saw that coming anyway.


Quite true about the clutch advise, as the engine would have to rev pretty hard to get moving. That will limit the experiment and probably stop any further test flights as I don't want to subjct the buggy to that kind of punishment. She did perform admirably though. Drove over anything put in front of it. No chassis bending or missing parts (aside from the hub pins, which could be remedied).

You can all be proud of the Lightning.


Now back to the buggy wheels.

cbr,

Is the engine on the Pro the same as the RTR? $350 for the Pro is a great price. That's what I paid for the RTR. If the Pro was out, I would've gotten it. The included radio was pretty cheesy, which I didn't need in the first place.

[rcharry]

Cool, that why i want it it doesnt have a radio, do I need servo's for the pro version?

[cbr74]

Geo.. I'm fairly certain the Pro and the RTR use the same engine. I'm also almost positive it's the same powerplant you'll find in the Savage.


Harry... Yes, you'll need servos. Standard for the throttle/brake is sufficient for starting out, but I highly recommend a good metal gear servo for steering.
Hitec 925 or better if you can afford it.

I'm running Air 94358's on my Lightning and I do not regret the expenditure. They are overkill... but they'll last a very long time considering they're capable of much more than I'm asking of them.

[rcharry]

Thanks cbr, my friend has a NEW Jr metal gear servo that hell five to me for like $20, he my retaliler, he works part time at a hobby shop and gets me good deals after he buys them for retail price.:D Dats cool!

[tallcracker]

the engines are the same on both pro and rr, and cbr is correct it is also the exact same engine that is in the savage.

[tallcracker]

o yeah here is an update of the new parts i got for my lightning today
-venom failsafe unit
-jr xr3i fm radio
- more diff oil
-proline crowd pleazer
-a new fuel filter
and i think thats about it

[cbr74]

Well.. that was a couple hundred dollar shopping trip.

What colors are you gonna paint the body?

[rcharry]

why u get more diff oil, dont you already have some in the diffs? Yeah just a few bucks!:rolleyes:

[bubbastump]

ok i fuond this site and it may help yall
http://www.khbracing.com/AG_Piston_Tech.htm

[rcharry]

Help us with what?

[cbr74]

They're claiming 20+ gallon engine life at 300 degrees..... eenteresting.

[tallcracker]

Originally posted by rcharry
why u get more diff oil, dont you already have some in the diffs? Yeah just a few bucks!:rolleyes:


i needed 1k for the back diff. right now i have 5k in it and to compensate i only ran the diff 1/3 full.

[cbr74]

Put my own little spin on the fuel filter mounting. Found this dual screen fuel filter in one of my many parts boxes. Put some purple heat shrink on it. I shortened the stock mount and tucked it up against the splash guard. I also drilled a hole in the splash guard at the back for the fuel line to run through.
Yes, I was bored.
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Feb/20032237109411199981216.jpg

[rcharry]

Hey guys, i just wanted to say thanks for all the help so far, im going to be buying my lighting on wed or thur. I have a few questions, how did you guys break in the motor on the lightning? And what do fuel filters do, is it just like it sounds? and will boost bottles fit on the engine, they look awsome on there?
thanks alot:D

[tallcracker]

fuel filters just strain out the particles of debris from the gas. it helps the engine last a little longer. the engine isnt set up to run with a boost bottle.

ask 5 people about breakins and u will probably get 5 answers. i usually idle through 2 tanks keeping temp around 180-190. then run the next 2 tanks under 1/2 throttle, keeping the temp around 200-220. run the last tank under 3/4 throttle with a few rolling thottle applications to full throttle. this works well for me, i am working on 3 gallons through my engine and it still has great compression.



on another note i got the xr3i installed, what a difference the high torque servo makes! i know it is going to be much more agressive at the track. i wish the reciever was a little smaller, but i can live.

[cbr74]

A fuel filter keeps contaminants out of your engine.
The Lightning fuel tank has a built in stone filter element so the additional filter isn't actually necessary, but it also serves a secondary purpose of providing a reserve fuel supply that will keep the engine running longer while upside down.
IE: While you run frantically to flip it back over.

Boost bottles are eye candy. Yes you could put one on the Lightning I suppose but its function would be more aesthetic than performance.

[rcharry]

Thanks guys and all i need is a 2 channel radio right, i planon putting in a Jr x2r in.
Thanks guys alot

[cbr74]

Yes, 2 channel is all you need. Is the XR2 something you already have? If so, great, if not... I'd steer you towards an Airtronics MX-3 for about the same money.

I have an XR2, an XR3, and two MX-3's. The MX-3 is by far the better radio.

[rcharry]

Yes, i already have a xr2, where would i put the boost bottle in and im using it just for looks. thanks.:D

[SVTMaxx]

Boost bottles are fed off of crankcase pressure. You would need to drill and tap the crankcase on the engine to install a boost bottle.

[Kenny123]

Which one should I buy, the DuraTrax AXIS RTR or the HOT BODIES Lightning RTR? Why?

[tallcracker]

kenny
go to the nitro forum and look for the thread titled "AXIS". also if you scroll back a few pages on this forum u should see this discussed.

[HBLighting PRO]

Alright,
This weekend, I ran my engine too rich, and my air filter didn't filter air. So, this mean's my engine is shot. Basicly what I did was have my air filter without any oil on my filter and I got alot of dirt and grime in the, that pretty much sand-papered my sleeve and piston. I figured I'm gonna have to buy a new sleeve and piston, I searched & searched Tower Hobbies and came up with "these few parts" (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXPG48).
I have the stock .21 engine that came with the car and I was wondering your guy's advice on replacing these (will this work or not). Also, I need a REALLY good air filter, like, top-of-the-line, along with some dense oil to filter out the dirt.
P.S. I'd really like to order all of them from tower hobbies, because their close.

[rcharry]

Maxx, i dont want to drill in anything, and i really dont even know what your taking about. i know the basics and a little more.
Kenny we had this already, these guys convinced me to buy a lightning, but all you guys should keep this buggy on the down low, so we could be the only few with this "SPECIAL" buggy, im pretty sure im the only one to have it in my town. And you guys are lucky in Houston, with good hobby shops and many tracks.

[tjtracer]

hey guys,if any of you are selling or wanting to trde off your hb lighting,,,,,please lmk.....I NEED THE ROLLING CHASSIS,,,,,MAYBE WITH A MOTOR) thanks...tim

[cbr74]

21Bb piston/sleeve: Tower (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDLM0&P=7)
21Bb conrod: Tower (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDLM1&P=7)
Good air filter: Tower (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXBZ77&P=7)

The stock air filter works fine, just zip tie it good and oil it with K&N filter oil available at any auto parts store.

Harry... I disagree. I think the more people with this buggy the better.

tjt... good luck finding anybody willing to part with their Lightning.

[SVTMaxx]

If you want to be cheap and thrifty (personally, I prefer the K&N oil, but only because we have 1:1 racecars as well so we have a supply of it on hand and the racecars don't mind if I borrow some from time to time...), get a Ziploc bag, put a small amount of fuel in the bag (it doesn't take a whole bunch) and stick the filter element in the bag. Close the bag and squish the element around in the fuel. The oil in the fuel will oil the filter sufficiently.

[cbr74]

Buy yourself one of these: K&N Filter Service Kit (http://www.knfilters.com/clningacc.htm)

It'll last you a long time.

[k_bojar]

Speaking of K&N...Does anyone know where I can get a K&N air filter for my 1/8th scale or other nitro engine???

[cbr74]

OK, the good news... Mugen wheel hubs are a bolt on fit, even the pins are the same size. The bad news... Mugen wing stay does NOT fit... not even close. I could make the actual wing brackets work, but they'd kick the wing height up a good 1/4".

[rcharry]

THANK GOD..... for xtreme R/C mag, i know ALOT more about motors than i did 1 hour ago, this will come in handy later down the line, I should get my Lightning Pro by next monday. I will let you know how it goes, see you till than. and thanks for all the help guys!:D :D :D

[cbr74]

Did some serious color coordinated accessorizing today:
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Feb/20032242251573978721118.jpg
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Feb/20032245135546297296262.jpg
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Feb/20032245647421420303355.jpg

:D

[RokleM]

Hiyas cbr74 (maxxtraxx),

Hey guys, a couple of quick questions after doing reasearch on this vehicle the last few hours.

1) Plastic diff cases? From what I've read, this seems to be what it has? Do all 1/8th scales have this? Seems odd to me.
2) Starter box. Anyone using one sucessfully? With the pull start still installed?
3) Has anyone put a real engine in it and how does it hold up? Not knocking the stock engine, but when it dies I'll probalby put a WS7 or something high power in it. Wonder if it can handle it?
4) Anyone want to buy a SuperMaxx? :D :p

I'm planning on running mostly on a blue groove track at my local raceway www.crcrc.com (http://www.crcrc.com)

Thanks guys. Let me know if you've got any thoughts on this. It really looks like one heck of deal for the price, that is for sure.

-RokleM

[BrianJohnson]

im going to buy a Lightning pro but cant find a store online that has it. if anyone can tell me if there our any and who has the lowest price that would be great. im sure you guys know better then i do.:confused: :confused: :confused:
thax,
brian

[nitrovortex]

hey guys, i'll be joining your clan soon when my PRO comes early next week:D

just to let you know as im kinda new here, im not a noob so if theres any noobs on here or anyone who need help on anything regarding Nitro; talk to me on MSN or AIM (if you have em).

cbr74: 1 word................. NICE:D

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by BrianJohnson
im going to buy a Lightning pro but cant find a store online that has it. if anyone can tell me if there our any and who has the lowest price that would be great. im sure you guys know better then i do.:confused: :confused: :confused:
thax,
brian

Brian - Pottbelly's RC in Vineland, NJ is selling the Pro for $335 plus shipping...Shoot an email to Sam (owns the hobby shop) at samlairson@lairson.com if you're interested :)

I got mine from him and it was the best deal around :) Even better than most "big named" on-line shops - and besides, he's real close to me :D

[cbr74]

RokleM...

1) Yes the diff cases are plastic, but not like your run of the mill Traxxas plastic... these are tough.

2) Dunno about that one.

3)The drivetrain is nearly identical to that of the Kyosho MP 7.5, it'll handle whatever you throw at it is my bet.

4)Uh.... no.

vortex... thanks and welcome to the Lightning "clan"

[k_bojar]

I dont see any problems using a starter box and having the pull-start still attached ...I know all last season I used a starter box on my NMT and the engine had a pull-start on it(Dynamite .12SPD) ...I didnt have any ill effects...I'd still be using that engine and started box this year if I didnt have the carb fall off it :) during a race

I'm actually thinking about using a starter box for my Pro - I cant stand yanking cords to start the engine :):D

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by cbr74
RokleM...

1) Yes the diff cases are plastic, but not like your run of the mill Traxxas plastic... these are tough.

2) Dunno about that one.

3)The drivetrain is nearly identical to that of the Kyosho MP 7.5, it'll handle whatever you throw at it is my bet.

4)Uh.... no.

vortex... thanks and welcome to the Lightning "clan"

Since you are quoting the Kyosho MP 7.5, that buggy uses plastic diff houses also, so it must not be all the bad of a thing :D

[gkcontra]

On starter boxes, I haven't gotten mine to work yet, the engine is still too tight and the flywheel is a little too small, so you have to get the wheel right on target.

[RokleM]

I wonder if they have a non pull start flywheel and engine mount kit.

-RokleM

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by RokleM
I wonder if they have a non pull start flywheel and engine mount kit.

-RokleM

After seeing some of the "support" documents that is/was available for this buggy - I'd have to say "doubt it" :):D Not saying that Ricky's R/C cannot offer support, just the documentation that came with the buggy kinda blew :)

I'd assume that the mounts of the MP7.5 would work :confused: since the 2 do share a lot of things

[cbr74]

The MP 7.5 mounts wouldn't do any good since they're actually a little taller than the Lightning's... the Kyosho flywheel however looks to be a few mm larger in diameter, so that might help with a NPS engine.

[tallcracker]

i just got off the phone with hotbodies, got a few more parts on the way.
-3 shoe clutch
-front and rear arms (cheap insurance for raceday)
-f/r suspension holder set(insurance for raceday here too)

i got my body painted, so i will try to get some pics on my site soon for every1 to check out.

[geo8498]

I'm using the OFNA chrome-top 1/8 starter box. I used it for a while with the pull start on with no problem. I removed the pull start about a month ago after the thing got all messed up from driving in the snow. I didn't need to make any modifications to use the starter box.

[rcharry]

Hey i was just looking for for hop ups, and was wondering is this a good one to get and will it fit on the lightning, heres the link.
thanks

http://acehardwarehobbies.com/2.2/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=20_106&products_id=3975

[cbr74]

Those'd fit the Pro, no problem but the RTR has a 2 shoe clutch so you'd need the three shoe flywheel.
Aluminum shoes grab harder but require more periodic maintenance.

[rcharry]

like what kind of matence, just cleaning or what?

[cbr74]

Yes.

[rcharry]

Just cleaning with what type of chemical? 409, nitro cleaner?

[cbr74]

I use denatured alcohol personally.

[rcharry]

cool, thanks, Im getting the pro as u know and have. what other hop ups do you reccomend for it racing wise.
thanks

[cbr74]

for serious competition... rear CV's, quad brakes, good radio gear, good engine.

There's a few other things that'll go on the Lightning "must have"
list as soon as they're available but I'm not at liberty to say just what they are right now.

[rcharry]

Where can i find the quad brakes and rear CV's, i have good radio gear, and i m not going to get a motor yet, i think it has a great motor in it already.
thanks

[cbr74]

HotBodies for the CV's and brakes..

C8072 Universals (CV's)
C8046 Disk Brake
C8047 3X20mm screws
C8048 brake disc plates
C8049 brake pads

Ricky's R/C (1-800-221-6053)has the parts.

The stock engine is reliable and easy tuning, but doesn't have the oomph for serious racing.

[soslo]

tallcracker..
Who painted your body?

And another thing?
As tall as you are, couldn't you just reach up and push these clouds away? hehe!!
It would be nice!

Got more parts coming for Juice's buggy. It will be sweet when it goes back together! :cool:
Maybe the rain will stop by then.
It had better stop soon. We are running out of optional parts to get for it!

[tallcracker]

hey soslo
i sent ya a pm man, hit me back when ya get a chance.
i painted my body myself, like a dark blue/purple color. i really just needed a new body, the old one was torn to shreds. i am buying another one on a week and i am going to let a professional take care of it for me. any reccomendations for a painter? i am thinking of picking up that 8 port hyper friday, heard anything good or bad about it? and i hear ya about the parts, when i cant drive i sit here and dream and buy parts. my car has been cleaned 2 times top to bottom, it looks better then when it was new:D lol

[cbr74]

The 8 port Hyper is excellent if you can survive the break in. The pinch is so tight it feels like it's hydrolocked even without the plug in it.
I had to use my heat gun on it before I could even turn it over the first few times.

[soslo]

The Hyper motors are tight! hehe!! Just be patient with it.

tallcracker... You have mail.

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by cbr74
for serious competition... rear CV's, quad brakes, good radio gear, good engine.

There's a few other things that'll go on the Lightning "must have"
list as soon as they're available but I'm not at liberty to say just what they are right now.

what info are you holding back from the group??? ;):D

[cbr74]

All in good time.

;)

[k_bojar]

Originally posted by cbr74
All in good time.

;)

That aint right!!! :D I'm not one who deals with suspense good :D ;)

[gkcontra]

RCR stuff huh?

[HBLighting PRO]

Originally posted by cbr74
21Bb piston/sleeve: Tower (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDLM0&P=7)
21Bb conrod: Tower (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXDLM1&P=7)
Good air filter: Tower (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXBZ77&P=7)

The stock air filter works fine, just zip tie it good and oil it with K&N filter oil available at any auto parts store.


Are you sure the sleeve is gonna work? And do i really need to replace the arm as well? I'm sure you right, but im jus double checking...(dont want to buy something i cant use)

[HBLighting PRO]

I'm thinking of scrapping that piece-of-junk engine, it's just doesn't have enought umph.....as you all know I toasted it......can someone tell me some links me to some fast engines? The guys at the track are super-quick and I wanna keep up....


thanks-
-Joe

[RokleM]

A good RB WS7 would show them how it's done :D

-RokleM

[slamminsam]

Originally posted by HBLighting PRO
I'm thinking of scrapping that piece-of-junk engine, it's just doesn't have enought umph.....as you all know I toasted it......can someone tell me some links me to some fast engines? The guys at the track are super-quick and I wanna keep up....


thanks-
-Joe

I would highly recomend the Trinity Sirio .21 buggy motor SP21BRPRO.

http://www.teamtrinity.com/nitro/engines/sirio/sirio.asp

[ttweedle]

All the fast guys at my track are running RB's.

[RokleM]

Just a word of warning...

I know quite a number of people that have run the Sirio .12 with great results. The .18 is new enough we really haven't heard much. However, I know of NO ONE that has had 100% luck with the .21. One of my buddies at the local track got the .21 and no matter what we did, we could not get it to run right. We both have a very high amount of nitro experience with many engines, so knowledge wasn't the issue. The engine would just not run properly.

Just a word of caution. I would spend the money on a RB myself. I plan to run my stock engine into the ground, and then get a RB S7 or WS7.

-RokleM

[gkcontra]

If you can get one, the OS RZ-VO1B has a great power band, and if you can tune, they will last a long time. I know of people that have had an air leak that toasted their RB's and Novas, the sleeves just don't like abuse.

[cbr74]

Mugen center diff mounts don't fit. Somebody want to check fit for the MP 7.5 centers? Because then.... could get the K Factory MP 7.5 center mounts..... :D

[tallcracker]

looks like a few guys are looking at picking up hotter engines. i look foward to seeing how the car handles in the increased horepower and speed. my fullsize truck seems to have developed a coolant leak, so as long as nissan fixes it under warranty i am good to get the engine tomorrow. if not it will probably get put off for 2 weeks :mad: depending on the cost. if i have to wait 2 more weeks i am going to just install my 3 shoe clutch on my stock engine and race with it that way. it has to get better grab then my old 2 shoe with over 2 gallons on it.
on another note, i am looking for an inexpensive starter box. the hyper 8 port wont be pullstart so i will need to get one pretty soon and hopefully for a good price. if anyone see's a good deal on one could you please post the link so i could take a look at it? thanks guys.

[geo8498]

Broken 700 posts everyone. only 6,428 more and this car will be as popular as the AE RC10GT.

[geo8498]

I'm thinking of the Hyper 8 port myself. Seems like a good upgrade for the price. Probably won't get it for a while though, because my RC10 needed a new engine first, so I just spent my money on an OS 15CVX. I'll say though that with the new CVEC pipe, my Lightning is pretty frisky.

[RokleM]

The Ofna Hyper is a pretty good engine. It has it's quirks (very good idea to seal it, carb can be a little iffy, etc), but overall, it is a very solid inexpensive engine.

-RokleM

[carltonck]

I am having some trouble tunning the hotbodies motor. What carb setting do yall suggest. I looked at the hpi website for the hpi .21 they said:

High Setting: 3.5 turns out
Mid: 3.25 turns out
low: 3.5 turns out


Any Suggestions..............

thanks guys

[soslo]

geo.. www.TowerHobbies.com has the O.S. CV-R for $90.00, if I remember right. Awsome lil' engine for the GT. Got about 4.5 gallons out of this one before we rebuilt it. (Boca bearings, p/s, and rod)
www.nitrohouse.com has the O'Donnell heads on sale for $15.95. It will put a little more ziip in the cv's! :) We pull the head off the cv-r and use it on the cv. It works great also.

tallcracker...
Have you considered the O.S. RG? Very stout, dependable motor also, for about the same price. Reflex can get the Crono starter boxes fairly cheap also. They may not be the prettiest things, but they do pack a punch.
K&M is on for 1/8 now. The new owners gave the racers an open track, to do with as they see fit.
Heard rumors the M&M track is due for an overhaul. People are complaining it is breaking parts too easily.
We will more than likely be at Reflex this weekend, rebuilding the truck and buggy, and breaking in engines for next weekend.
Stop on by and you can check out Nangs' artwork.
If you need a hand fixing your truck, give a shout. It is what I do.

[cbr74]

Socket head conversion is almost done. Just need the goofy 3.5mm's for the diff cases.
This is what happens when it rains and there's nothing else to do but wrench on the R/C's.

Racer's Edge cap head washers
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Feb/20032285471220162913338.jpg
socket head flats on the bottom
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Feb/20032281008439708486211.jpg
Racer's Edge pipe mount
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Feb/20032287392400820361782.jpg

:D

If the weather doesn't improve... it may end up with an 8 port Hyper in it.

[tallcracker]

that pink fuel tubing is SEXY!! lol jk. i think that the socket head screws look a little better and are more durable. i wish they made a kit with all the proper screws already together. until that kit is released i will just buy the socket heads as i stip out the current phillips head screws. thank for reminding me about the aluminum servo arm though, i really need to pick one of those up for both servo's.

[cbr74]

It's a lot more purple in person. My digi-cam's flash distorts the color.

[tjtracer]

i am wanting a lightning roller.....i have a team ed. rc10gt with brand new xtm .15 engine..it will come with graphite and stock towers and extra springs and diff parts.....if anyone want to trade lmk... tjt_extreme@hotmail.com

[cbr74]

I wish you luck. Everybody that has a Lightning that I've talked to wouldn't trade them for anything. The only people I've seen badmouth the Lightning, don't own one.

May want to just E-Bay that GT then pick ya up a Lightning.

[slamminsam]

I agree.

[tallcracker]

yeah, i dont think anyone is going to trade. e bay is a good suggestion

[geo8498]

Is anyone getting slop on their steering? The last couple of times I took my car out, the front end seems like it has too much play. I've wrenched everything. Seems more like it's coming from the linkage on the servo end more than hubs or bearings.

Also, I'm getting a humming noise from the drive train. I'm wondering if it's the diff. I bought some 3000 diff oil today, but haven't put it in yet because I wanted some input from the board.

[tallcracker]

i also have steering slop, altho i havent worried about it just yet. mine is coming from the linkage that holds the servo to the bellcranks. it seems to develope play on both sides rather quickly. i will look at it tomorrow and see what should be done to fix it.

about the humming noise the metal to metal gear contact will make some noise, but if you think it is something more check the mesh. if the mesh checks out look for debris around the center spur or brakes. still nothing check the backlash on the diffs.

a question to all pro owners; is the chasis hard ano'ed? i know the standard isnt, and i want to make sure the pro chasis is worth the 50 bucks.

[cbr74]

I've noticed the bellcranks have a bit of vertical play on the posts that'll cause a little slop. Might be able to shim them?

As for the humming... I agree, check gear mesh first.

Not sure if it's hard anno'ed... but it's 7075 aluminum over the RTR's 6061.
C8037-1 ALUM ANODIZED CHASSIS 7075 3mm (LIGHTNING SERIES)

[geo8498]

As for the gear mesh, would the humming be from too tight or too loose? It did start right after I had the engine out.

So what's backlash mean for the diff?

I think one thing that may take care of the steering slop is to replace the bushings on the bellcrank (probaly go with bearings). They're probably wearing. Also the servo arm ball link seems to have too much play. Combine these 2 and I get a very loose front end.

[cbr74]

Generally, the hum will be from a mesh that's too tight.

Bearings will definitely help on the steering. They are 6X10X3 and it takes 4. I put bearings in mine as soon as I got it.

[RokleM]

WooHoo!!! Sold my SuperMaxx for $1600... RR Pro, here I come!

-RokleM

[tallcracker]

hey guys
well bad news about my fullsize truck, it needs about $400 in various parts. looks like the new engine for my lightning will be pushed back for a few weeks:mad:
it should give me some time to tinker and play with different setting though. i have decided i really want the pro shocks and chasis, so as soon as financial situations look better those along with the engine will be added to my baby.

tonight i am going to rebuild my shocks, and put 1k oil in my back differential. hopefully these will show dividends on the track.

congrats on your upcoming purchase Rokle, you wont be dissapointed

[roxx]

I am looking to get into 1/8 buggy racing and the buggy i am looking at is the Lightning Pro, but i am having some trouble about finding specs like length, wheelbase, and extras like cvds, acceleration, speed, and so on. The one thing i do know is that the only thing it needs is a radio which i have, a jr xs3. I also heard Kyosho parts will fit? Any info would be greatly appreciated!

[SVTMaxx]

Some of the MP 7.5 parts will fit, because the Lightning was designed by the same people that designed the Kyosho buggies.

[RokleM]

Couple of things:

1) cbr74 - What screw kit did you use and/or can you give a parts listing? I don't have the kit yet, but that's one of the first things I want to do.

2) Pro guys, what all did you change out of the box?

3) What rims are you guys using that seem to stand up well? I heard the stock ones break easy.

4) Which wings have you guys decided works best and do you need anything in addition to the wing itself?

5) What battery pack will work? Will double AA flat pack work, or is it sub c's?

I'm thinking of adding the following to the vehicle:

7K weight oil front
10K weight oil center
3K weight oil back
Replace all crews with hex (whatever is best)
Crowd Pleaser body
Airtronics 94358Z for steering
Airtronics 94357Z for throttle
New wing (whatever is best)
Some sort of tires/rims for blue groove... Probably have one of the guys locally make me some pink tapers.

Anything else you can see?

-RokleM

[rcharry]

THIS SUCKS!!!!!!!!!
I have to wait like another month to get my Pro, which bits!
the person buying my electric truck backed out, nobody will buy my pro 3, and some kid is trying to rip mr off by not paying of the stuff he bought! (any advice)? Ill put my MT on ebay and my pro 3 is on ebay to, but i dont know what to do about my stolen stuff!
thanks for everything guys:)

[tallcracker]

harry
it has been a while since my business law class, but if memory serves... if you sent your car across state lines, and have e mails or postings of him agreeing to the terms, then it is now a federal offense. talk to steve pond if it was on this board and he should be able to help you make a report. even if it was on another board he might be able to send you in the right direction. pull his IP adress of his e mails so he can be tracked using that. i think its a good starting point and getting ur cash back

[rcharry]

Thanks tallcracker, but he finally email me back, and sent pics of the conformation reciept and usps reciept, so i think everything is cool now. but thanks anyway, and when is the hotbodies sight going to be up, its been under construction for like 3 weeks?

[cbr74]

RokleM... Most of the hardware I already had, the sizes I didn't have I bought from Nutty.com. I have a bunch left over.

Right off the bat I put bearings in the steering bellcranks.

The HB tech recommends 5K front, 10K center, 1K rear.

I'm running an Ofna tri-wing right now, hasn't broken yet. Nothing else is needed, just drill holes and mount.

For a RX battery, I use a 5 cell hump pack.

Just got my BBB full rubber sealed bearing set the other day. I'm waiting for diff fluid to come in before changing out the bearings since you have to completely dis-assemble the diffs to get to that bearing on the one side.

[HBLighting PRO]

whats up with the tri-level wing? why/what is that thing going across the wing? is it suppose to be a support? and for the people who run it, has it shattared pretty easlie?

and as for the website....it's been down for quite some time, longer than 3 weeks, possibly 8......i just set their site as my homepage.

[cbr74]

The top piece that's held in by the screws is the third level of the tri-wing.

These don't shatter, I've cracked a few on my Ofna buggies before, but never shattered.

[roxx]

Well i decided to get a pro, but the only problem is that i cannot find a store that has them in stock. My lhs doesnt carry hot bodies, but they do carry kyosho parts which atm made a list of. Any info on who has them in stock would be greatly appreciated, thank you!

[HBLighting PRO]

maybe i should pick one up then......since it doesn't break to easile......oh ya i ordered those parts i needed to....but....instead of buying the $30 air filter..i got the $15 HPI one, it looks like it will do just as good as a job.:D so soon i'll be able to race again:D :D :D

[cbr74]

roxx... PotBellys R/C has the best price on the Pro. Give 'em a call: 856-207-2495

[gkcontra]

CBR - a Sub C pack, doesn't it weigh a ton? Everyone I know is using 2/3A hump packs.

[cbr74]

Oops, my bad... 2/3 A, you're right. It's an Ofna 10212 that I'm using.

[geo8498]

I shattered mine.

After shattering the original wing the first week, I replaced it with the Ofna wing. It lasted a lot longer, but I eventually manged to break it too. So I fabricated my aluminum wing (pics posted a few pages back) Just last night, I was zipping around the driveway and took a pretty hard lid-skid on the asphalt. The wing bent a little, but the wing mount posts broke. A testament to the wing. I re-attached the posts with epoxy and a reinforcing steel rod through the middle as a stop-gap. It's stronger than ever. Even still, the wing mount kit only cost $5.70 as opposed to $11-$15 for a new wing.

Speaking of shattering things on the asphalt, anyone interested in donating a single wheel. Just after I mounted new (bashing) tires onto my stock rims, I shattered the front wheel. Since I just mounted the new tires, all I need is one wheel or the pair. I don't want to buy a new pair of Hot Bodies wheels just for these tires...and... I'd rather not have to strip all the tires to remount them onto a new set of better wheels. Anyone happen to have one sitting in their box that they'd part with? Or maybe sell for a couple bucks?

[rcharry]

Hey guys, i just got in my onroad tires for my soon to have Pro, and i've heard that you guys boil them to harden them or somthing like that. What did you boil them for and how long should i boil them?Oh and you guys want some allen head screws theres this guy on ebay that selling one for an HPI pro3 will get the Lightning set if you want one, and there purple too!!!
thanks

[gkcontra]

Originally posted by cbr74
Oops, my bad... 2/3 A, you're right. It's an Ofna 10212 that I'm using.

Just surprised, awhile back someone was going to try and stuff a sub C pack into a Hyper 7. I'd just like to see that, couldn't imagine the handling... lol

[geo8498]

Just installed the bearings in my steering bellcrank. I only installed the top 2 so far, since they were easier to get to. I didn't have time to take the whole bellcrank apart to do the bottom 2. I also shimmed the servo link ball-end with thread tape and a glow plug washer. Seems like the steering slop has been taken care of. Haven't driven it yet to test it.

FYI...they're 6x10 bearings.

[geo8498]

After gluing them back on with epoxy, I carefully drilled a hole downward through the post and a steel pin (red arrow) which was also epoxied. These were offset just enough to clear the clips. I still had to run the drill bit through to make sure the clip holes were totally clear.

The steel pins go all the way through to the bottom of the mount. The clip holes are also high enough that there's still a good amount of pin below them to hold despite the compromise by the drill.
Image to follow.

[geo8498]

wing posts

[Wallis Racing]

hey guys,
Sorry if i say something already asked, but i skipped from the first to last page:)

i am planning to get a Sacker Pro, which is the the lighnting, but from the originaly manufacture, make sence? HB dont make cars, they buy no-name brands and rebadge them. the Sacker pro is the lighnting before HB get there hands on it. actually, sacker is the lighnting, the sacker pro is suposedly better. i currently have a wicked AE FTGT, fully donw up with a RB X12 in it, and its metal, and i've decided to save for a bugyy. i would get something like the mugen, or kyosho's, but with how hard i am going to be on the buggy, i will go broke because them name brands are expensive. but the lightning/sacker is LOADS chaper, and just as good. when i get it, im getting the non RTR, and bolting a RB WS7 in as well as the Sanwa/Airtronics M8 radio system. this thing should be a beast. i race every second weekend, and every other i usually hit BMX tracks(i said i was hard on my cars didnt i?) and sometimes i skip racing and hit BMX tracks anyways, LOL. my GT has seen its fair share of air, but i think its all maxed out, it just doesnt want to jump any higher or further. i was thinking of getting a RB X12T rody modified for the GT, which is loads more powerful then my standard X12, but im thinking 1/8th is the way to go. and with a wicked Buggy and GT, no matter what im in the mood for i should have a car to do it. anyways, enough raving. dunno how long it will take to save $2000aus for everything i need, but it is about 8-10weeks of work, and being at school kinda means working is saved for hols, so it could be a little or long while till i get this beast.

Oh, BTW, another reason i want a buggy. in 2004, the Australia 1/8 IC buggy nats are being held at my race track:D

anyways,
Mad Man
Wallis Racing (http://www.wallisracing.itgo.com)

[cbr74]

Sacker huh? Interesting.

[Wallis Racing]

yeah sacker.
check it here (http://www.ozshops.com/cgi-bin/RT_Resp.cgi?1.IL&mt=na&re=h&nt=dynamic&ta=cy887k_detail::cy,d:,p:,s:,i:cy887k.jpg,t:&ip={mt=da&it=n&ap=radio&co=prdetail&us=1046786738-28&kn=pr.pr-land-203-7-255-001&**)

i went and read a few pages of this thread and have seen that there is a lightning, and a lightning pro. i guess the sacker pro i am looking at is the same as the lightning pro.

i am also having second thoughts on this setup, because i am friends with the guy from my LHS, and he said he sold a sacker pro, and the WS7 to a guy, and he has already, in less then a week, blown the diff. and the guy is no noob, he is around the top ranking at my race track. so im thinking is i want an engine like the WS7 or better, im better off with something like a speed 9.5 pro.

anyways,
Mad Man
Wallis Racing (http://www.wallisracing.itgo.com)

[tallcracker]

well thats alot of new info...... i must say i wouldnt worry about the diffs too much. that was a fluke. no one here has had problems, i know we are running more basic engines but i have had many many full throttle landings without a problem and my car has seem almost 3 gallons of fuel under racing like conditions. maybe a shim was missed or a case somehow got deformed from the factory.

on another note i send off some cash and hope to recieve a xxx-nt around the end of next week. i am pretty excited and look forward to racing in 2 classes during the summer. we have a 10th scale track that allows nitro and is indoors, so the nt should help keep me racing when the weather doesnt cooperate for the 8th scale tracks.

[cbr74]

What I wouldn't give to have a local track. I need to go rent a bobcat and make my own in the back 30 I guess.

[gkcontra]

tall - K&M will is going 1/8 also so you can run both when it rains

[tallcracker]

K&M is going 8th scale, but IMO the track isnt really built to handle the buggies. i may see after they get it going how it is, but i think the infield will be really tight!

i plan on running with the THRC crowd and going to K&M with my 10th scale when the weather rains out the THRC events. it should be a great summer.

[HBLigHtnIngRR]

Hey guys, guess what!! I finally got a new pull starter! It's the one for the Savage .21, and it's heavy duty! Nice braided nylon pull cord, cover over spring assy. so the spring won't pop out, and big big handle! When I broke the other one, this forum was on page 19! LOL!
Steve

[rcharry]

Hey, i fianlly got money to get my pro, its about time!!!
just a few questions, what fuel u guys use and how did u break in this motor?i think thats all for now!
thanks

[geo8498]

Not alot of conversation going on the last couple days. Everyone must be out driving. Anyway, I can't decide which I have more fun with, my Lightning or my RC10GT. Both are a blast to drive. And each one is a completely different animal.

Anyone know what the price would be for those aluminum shock caps that I see on the Pro? Can those be bought seperate of the complete shock? does anyone have recommendation for replacement shocks?

Here's the latest picture of my alien goo painted buggy, complete with grime...