HPI Savage 21 forum v1.0

[AFI/Misfits]

does anyone know the link for the hotbodies upgrades for the savage 21? :)

[newracer]

port the header? it is already wide open

[nitro tiger]

true but i think i am going to polish it so its smooth like butter:o

[gaus]

Okay,

First off - I just received my Savage, Fedex from Tower. This thing is LARGE. I broke it in tonight. I live in the mountains of Colorado and it is very cold here. After priming the engine, I pulled the starter less than 3 inches and it started immediately, did not stop running 'till the gas ran out. Then I did it again. And again. This car looks sharp - and runs well. (at least mine does).

Sidenote: I have run about 6 gallons through my OFNA force .21, compression is still tight. I guess a new piston sleeve will cost me about $65. 6 gallons of nitro fuel is quite a long time of running.... If the HPI engine runs half as well as the OFNA, I'll be smiling until the snow melts. Oh yeah, I run the cr@p out of these cars through ice, snow and water. If you waterproof your stuff, there are never any worries because you know you did the job good. You just have to maintain....

gaus

I now own an MT Racer, Savage and OFNA Ultra MBX and have only been into nitro RC for 6 months, this hobby is very fun and challenging.

[savageowner]

Ok what the easiest way to pull the engine from a savage. I noticed the screws on the right side are inched against the v plate. I dont rmember that when I pulled the engine out the first time.


Also what is up with maxxtraxx forums. I go there because there is soo much info on savages there.


BTW I started my Savage tonight after it when in the creek. Story on maxxtraxx It ran great so no damage at all. I as lucky i know that

[AFI/Misfits]

does anyone know the link for the hotbodies upgrades for the savage 21?

[savageowner]

really cool carrot as in advertise in RCCA but if you goto hotbodiesonline.net you then get told to goto rickysrc.com and there is where the mystery lies its a mess. I couldnt find them

[IRAW50]

www.rickysrccar.com but it won't do you any good ther are no savage parts ther either

[browskiii]

Hi guys,just a quik question.Does the savage have camber and toe adjustments?Also my brother just bought a dominator extreme and a monster pirate,how do u think the savage would match up to those two,im thinking about buying one but i want better and faster then him.:D Brotherly love.;)

[savageowner]

do its just they are not recommended to be messed with. You have to get aftermarket arms like at new era that you can install to adjust.

[savageowner]

that the majority of the parts hotbodies has are the same that hobbyetc.com will be getting and there is a huge area for savage stuff on that board.

[DaLoSiGuYWiTdAxXxNt]

Hi, whats a good hi-torque servo for the steering of a savage?

[newracer]

I use a Hitec 5945

[savageowner]

are great servos for steering. The factone does rock for a servo though

[nitroracer911]

Instead of purchasing a new steering servo for the Savage... purchase a rechargable pack. It will give you better steering and braking... Just a thought.

If you do purchase a good servo... you will need a rechargable pack anyway...

2 cents...

nitro

[nuespeed]

Originally posted by savageowner
Ok what the easiest way to pull the engine from a savage. I noticed the screws on the right side are inched against the v plate. I dont rmember that when I pulled the engine out the first time.


Also what is up with maxxtraxx forums. I go there because there is soo much info on savages there.


BTW I started my Savage tonight after it when in the creek. Story on maxxtraxx It ran great so no damage at all. I as lucky i know that
1.Take the tank out(fuel) with the line
2.Flip truck and see the rear skid plate take it off
3.See screw on top of throttle linkage remove it
4.Take pipe screw off the one on the TVP
5. See the 4 exposed allen screws (might be hard to remove spray wd40 on it and viola you pulled the engine off

[Mojoe]

hi broskiii, you wanted to know about the savage shaping up to your brothers cars? the savage will own them off road. the dominator and pirate are essentially the same and are just buggies with big wheels. They arent real MTs. They would never be able to clear a kerb. The savage has got proper suspension too. speedwise, he may beat you, but if you use thm what they are meant for, bro is in for a creaming :D

[savageowner]

Enclosed are photos of my nearly finished Savage. It is sport a 3rd gen blazer body custom painted with blue pearl and candy blue. It is running a force.25 engine, cvec, pipe, hi flow ofna air filter and sporting nearly every mod that new era makes or supplies. It has teamduze shock socks on it and custom made rcwd alloy wheels wrapped by IMEX jumbo maxx swamp dawg tires. Stock radio with a airtronics ultra high speed 200 oz servo for steering and ni-cad 600mah recharge pack with jack(never have to open radio compartment again.) Additional are frenched grille, HID lights, fog lights, brake lights, side mirrors. This is ART duplicating real life as enclosed is a photo of my real monster blazer. Hope you like. The photo were taken by the very same creek that swallowed it up 5 days ago.




http://www.pnwfs4x4s.com/42s2.jpg

http://www.pnwfs4x4s.com/savage.jpg

http://www.pnwfs4x4s.com/savage2.jpg

http://www.pnwfs4x4s.com/savage5.jpg

[TEAMDUZE]

She looks awsome. Great work and good luck. Glad that the Shock Bud - E - Z look wicked.

[skelator]

man that thing is f-in sweet. where can i get those tires and rims. beautiful truck man!!

[nfs_srt10]

Originally posted by nuespeed
1.Take the tank out(fuel) with the line
2.Flip truck and see the rear skid plate take it off
3.See screw on top of throttle linkage remove it
4.Take pipe screw off the one on the TVP
5. See the 4 exposed allen screws (might be hard to remove spray wd40 on it and viola you pulled the engine off

you don't have to take all that stuff off...there are four holes in the skid plate so you can get to the screw that hold the motor mount/engine in...so the only other things you will have to "take off" are the throttle linkage, fuel line and the pip from the side plate, give a little twist and it should come out

[Mojoe]

oooh lovely! :p

btw, are those tires the same dimensions as the normal savage tire? an do they fit on the normal savage rims?

thanks cheers etc

[savageowner]

bigger than the stock savage wheel in heighth and width. And no they have to be on a really large wheel to fit.

[Mojoe]

oohoohoo! once i get more cash, guess what im gonna buy!:p

[coolracer47]

That is sweet! where did you get those aluminum arms? Or did you make them? Awesome Truck!!!

[DaLoSiGuYWiTdAxXxNt]

Hi, has anyone tried the native racing starter on the savage yet?

http://mivasecure.abac.com/remotecontrolhobby/merchant.mv?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=RCH&Product_Code=STRT-1100&Category_Code=NRI

[B!!!]

Hi, has anyone tried the native racing starter on the savage yet?

I'm confused. How the heck does it work?

[nuespeed]

Originally posted by nfs_srt10
you don't have to take all that stuff off...there are four holes in the skid plate so you can get to the screw that hold the motor mount/engine in...so the only other things you will have to "take off" are the throttle linkage, fuel line and the pip from the side plate, give a little twist and it should come out
For me the scres wouldn't budge yes I used penetrating oil that way and it still wouldnt so I did it my way

[fastharry]

Originally posted by B!!!
I'm confused. How the heck does it work?


it doesn't...its made for the TMAXX>>>>




The NRI ProStart 1100 allows you to start all T-Maxx Non Pull Start Nitro Gas Engines. With our NRI 1500 Conversion Kit (code: CHS-1500) you can start any non-pull start engine. This starter is a bump start meaning you should start the wheel spinning before you apply pressure to your fly wheel, run a couple of seconds then back off on the pressure keeping the wheel running. Should engine not start, reapply pressure to the fly wheel. Follow this procedure until engine fires. DO NOT RUN THE STARTER CONTINOUSLY AGAINST THE FLY WHEEL, DAMAGE TO WHEEL WILL RESULT.
We recommend a Sullivan Hi-Tork Starter Motor (code: ELCT-S600). Most other starters, i.e. "Hobbico", "Tower Hobby Starters" and others are fine starters but DO NOT HAVE THE RPM OR TORQUE TO START A BIG BLOCK 15 OR 21.
Please note: Neither a battery or electric drill have sufficient RPMs to start ANY ENGINE with our starter.

[jimmimaxx]

No one else has the starter for the savge yet .We are stilll making the plate necessary to fire the truck up.We will have it ready in a week or 2 depending on machining time.I am using it on my personal truck and it works awesome.Now you will be able to run any motor on the market in the Savage.I willl say this,my Savage wheelies on command.:D

[jimmimaxx]

The starter willl work on both the TMAXX and the savage.Also works on the Terra Crapper.

[wolfsburgman]

I'm thinking I made the right decision, my T-Maxx is to be delivered today and I'm going to refuse it so I can get a HPI Savage which I already ordered. It just seems this truck is designed for much more abuse and is all around better built. Is it so noisy that if I run it in my neighborhood that people will be complaining of the noise? When will the aftermarket support be there I regards to broken parts? Thanks.

[B!!!]

My neighbors haven't complained about the noise yet, but they also think I'm a little crazy and maybe volitile too. :D However, I'm pretty careful about when I run - not too early and not too late. And I try to keep it to a minimum in the neighborhood. For serious bashing I go elsewhere.

Aftermarket support is just starting to ramp up. New Era already has some aluminum parts out. A few others do too. GMP will be coming out with a whole bunch of hopups very shortly, and some have arrived already. Hotbodies will also be coming out with parts soon.

Jimmi, how exactly does that starter work? Is it just an intermediate wheel between the flywheel and a starterbox?

Fastharry, on the home page for Native Racing, it says this starter will work on a Savage.

[savageowner]

Do you just put a block off plate where the pull start goes? does this wheel mount to the truck?

[nfs_srt10]

Originally posted by nuespeed
For me the scres wouldn't budge yes I used penetrating oil that way and it still wouldnt so I did it my way

same here so i just used one of those screw driver with the changable tips (without tip) and put it on the allen wrench so i could get extra leverage

[oN_dUbZ]

Hey guys....whats going on....anyways...i just ordered my Savage 21 today and some accessories...as this will be my FIRST Nitro truck ever. I have been racking my mind on the savage vs. maxx testimony crap. I just sayd forget about it and I decided to go with the Savage for the Nice .21 engine..bigger 1/8 scale..and that rugged look to it. I have heard great things about HPI and i'm just glad that I can join the HPI/ Savage Family. Anyways...I just wanted to ask what I should start upgrading(Hopping-Up) What are some good things to buy for this truck. I want to get some of those HUGE tires and rims first of all and maybe a new body.

BTW:savageowner....that is the SWEETEST Nitro Truck I have seen. That looks awesome man. I like that color too. Hmm...where did you get the lights and what kind are they?

I'm one of the Savageers in the family...happy to be part of it

[savageowner]

lights are rcneon.com they have a bunch of them. As for upgrades, start with the pipe get a nice tuned one like a rb086, or 63 or a cvec like mine. See how you like it then. also get a better air filter. then enjoy your truck the way it is get used to it. then start choosing upgrades.




thanks for the comliment. It was a nice project to work on and its a kick to set it on the counter at the hobby shop and have people guess what it is.

[nitro tiger]

what do you guys think about the phantom motors my budy has one in his car .15 and it had 1.5hp and 40,000 rpm and thet do make .21 so are they any good:rolleyes:

[wavejake]

I think that I have concluded that I shold run Odonnell 20% in my new Savage from what all you said. Have I come to the right conclusion?

lol

What fuel should I run?

[savageowner]

It works great lots of smoke and you can really lean the engine up with it.

[AFI/Misfits]

i think o'donnells is the best.

[Softail]

This afternoon I had a little time so I was bashing in the snow and it just quit. Anyway started yanking on the pull start and pulled the little rope right OUT! Sh*t!!!

Just spent the last hour removing the motor and rethreading that very small spring spool, three times before I got it just right. My chainsaw is much easier to redo. The damn handle still hangs out about 1-1/2". Anyway got it back together and had to test it, works fine. Thinking about that NRI ProStart I'll post if I get one.

yo

[dainjarouz]

theres a new post on savage21.net about gpm hop ups for the savage...and a bunch of pictures. they have the SUPER SAVAGE coming soon.

[ofna_Kdog]

Hey guys, I found the savage for 400 dollars at this online hobby store. http://www.hobbypeople.net/specials/hotcars.asp
Does anyone know of a better online price??

[wrenchguy]

try this http://www.ultimatehobbies.com/olm_search.cgi

wrenchguy

[DaLoSiGuYWiTdAxXxNt]

I think trinity monster horsepower fuel works the best.

[AFI/Misfits]

i live about 5-10 mins from hobby people

[nuespeed]

Just be warned of hobby people they can trick you. Some sway you to get a maxx but get a savage

[nitrorush89]

i need to know if the new t-maxx is better then the savage 21

[nitro tiger]

Not even close the SAVAGE RULES THE MAXX:D

[nitrorush89]

in what ways

[nitro tiger]

let see the .21 to start the metal gears long supension good customer service;) there are plenty of things good on both trucks but the maxx is becoming ancient. my buddy has one with the .21 conversion it's sick but look what you have to spend. so know he fast so what drop a .25 in there and its see ya later i spent 160 bucks for that not 500.00 for a conversion:D

[Mojoe]

i would say the savage is better, not just cuz own one;) thats why i bought it in the first place cuz its better. Its got longer shocks, wider wheelbase, bigger tyres, bigger engine more articulaltion, better chassis, beefier/ In all fairness the new maxx i lighter and faster (i believe it is faster :confused: ) but as i hav sd billins of times: who buys an MT for speed? It will probs jump higher/longer with a run up but for straight off power i think the savage has got it. Also, the t-maxx is very rear weighted and wheelies 2 much i think, Its by all means good but i think the savage is better designed etc. Go to a t-maxx forum and ask them about it. Im sure they will tell you otherwise but that is my honest opinion. hope ive helped you out :cool:

[nitro tiger]

nitrorush do a sise buy side comparsion on both trucks and you will see:D

[Skribble]

Another newbie saying this is better than that. :rolleyes: I could list tons of reason why my Losi XXX Kinwald is better than your Savage, but does it truely mean it's better? Of course not. There is no "best" in anything. It always comes down to personal preference and what you can spend.

The Maxx could beat a Savage with equal driving on a race track since it's more nimble and has more usable speed. It's faster than the Savage, and that's with a .15. It has literally an endless list of uprades. Traxxas has the best customer support, hands down.

Wheelbase is practically the same on the WideMaxx T-Maxx. Wheelies is all in the supension set up. Who says it needs a .21? The .15 is killer enough ..

Also, what happens when his LHS stocks Traxxas parts but not HPI? And you guys tell him to buy a Savage. Then he goes out and buys a Savage, he breaks. Boom, he has to wait for parts, and that isn't any fun. And how many of you owned the Maxx 2.5, let alone watch one?

[End rant] :)

[nitrorush89]

how fast do this savage go and can the maxx go faster

[Wyle E. Coyote]

Does anyone know when the reverse module is supposed to hit hobby shops?

[Skribble]

Traxxas claims that it can go around 40MPH (With a .15), which is fast enough for a 10lb. monster and I think the Savage goes around 35MPH (With a .21.)

My above post was not to knock on the Savage, just kinda mad when people say "X is better than Y" when in fact, they're practically equal and such. ;)

[Skribble]

Originally posted by Wyle E. Coyote
Does anyone know when the reverse module is supposed to hit hobby shops? A couple online dealers have the reverse module, so I'm guessing that they should be in Hobby Shops right now. :)

[Mojoe]

my ignorant friend skribble.

i am not a newbie. I have been doing RC for 7 years now and know a lot of stuff. Just cuz i joined this bulletin board less than a month ago doesnt mean im just gonna say something cuz im trying 2 be cool. it is my opinion the Savage is better. It is damn near impossible to roll and is bigger therefore better at off roading cuz it has better design to boot. It is also cheaper than the 2.5. As for hop=ups, a vast range is alredy assembling from many companies, just within a few months of its release.

As for racing? Who races MTs? What is the whole point of an MT in the first place? If it was for racing we would all have your Losi Kinwald XXX. As it is, they are for extreme off roading in case you had not noticed.

Finally you say: " just kinda mad when people say "X is better than Y", what are you saying? You are saying the new T-Maxx is far better. Mr.Hypocrisy. Then you go onto say that they are equal anyway. :confused:

As for personal opinion, it depends what youre aims are. But ill be prepared to let you have that point ;)

[End rant]:)

[Mojoe]

oh by the way skrib, do you actually own a savage or have actually seen one run? do you even own a t-maxx? one thing is for sure, the savage owns the t-maxx;)

[Skribble]

bigger therefore better at off roadingSo bigger is better, eh? Take a Jeep Wrangler and a Ford F-350 and go do some offroading and rock climbing. Which do you think is gonna win? Bigger isn't always better.

It is also cheaper than the 2.5.Cheapest I've seen the Savage is $389. T-Maxx is about the same price. Couple bucks price difference depending where you look.

As for racing? Who races MTs?Laf .. Pro-Line Maxx Challenge. C'mon now, a race almost completely dedicated to Monster Trucks. :rolleyes: Along with many other races.

Finally you say: " just kinda mad when people say "X is better than Y", what are you saying? You are saying the new T-Maxx is far better.Did I say that T-Maxxes are "far better?" I was meaning in general. I'm pretty sure you've seen a couple "Losi Vs. Associated" threads.

oh by the way skrib, do you actually own a savage or have actually seen one run? do you even own a t-maxx?My pockets aren't stuffed with green paper in which you call Dollars. I don't have the money to go out and buy everything I want, so I have research first knowing that I can't spend a lot of money on it. And I've seen numerous videos of Savages run .. Not too shabby.

one thing is for sure, the savage owns the t-maxxI need facts, not opinions.

IMO, I too think the Savage is a better design and such compared to the T-Maxx .. But where would the Savage be if the T-Maxx hadn't come out? ;)

[nitrorush89]

but i have two t-maxx 15 and one has picco 12 and it was so powerful twisted my rear shaft and seen a savage21 run and the new maxx has a better shaft so i will agree with skribble and he makes sence so i will buy the new t-maxx:D

[Skribble]

Well, if you already have 2 T-Maxxes I say go with Savage and selling one of your T-Maxxes and buy the new Traxxas 2.5 motor. :D

[nitrorush89]

but did you not say that it was hard to get parts and the t-maxx is faster

[nascarfreak88]

The savage cant even pull a damn wheely on comand!!! What kind of monster truck cant do a wheely??

One thing all ya'll have forgotten- the t-maxx is a 1/10 scale. Its ment to be smaller, and the savage is a 1/8th and ment to be bigger. If you notice, the new Rcca mag did a "T-maxx Body Guide" and look at the pic w/ the El Camino bod on the maxx, it streches OVER the front bumper on the maxx, but not the Savage.

and look at the chassis design- DIAMETRIC OPPOSITES!!!!! IMO, the Savage look like a PITA to work on. to get the heart of the Maxx out all you have to do it reach a driver between the head and EZ-start undo those screws, then the same on the other side and viola, engine out, WITHOUT messing w/ the gear mesh.

YOU KNOW WHAT THIS REMINDS ME OF?????? THE MONSTER PIRATE/T-MAXX WARS!!!! anybody who has been here for over a year SHOULD remeber them. I hope thats not what this is comming to:( :(

bottom line- they may share the fact that they have 8 shocks and have the same wheel size, but after that, they go their own ways.

Post copyright 2003 Nascarfreak88. All rights reserved.

[crazyL]

wow cant people just shut up about this. This is a savage only thread so get your t-maxx loving carcoses out if you dont like the savage and you think ur t-maxx is so much better.

[skelator]

yea, get yo max lovin fools out our forum!:mad:

[doesgo]

You guys crack me up! Don't get me wrong, I get caught up in this stuff sometimes as well, but what's the point of arguing? The guy asked for opinions, since there really are no facts regarding what's better (except for specs). Better for what? Racing? Sand? Snow? Grass? Speed? Bashing? Climbing? It'll never end.

The questions are always funny too, it's almost always about speed and wheelies. The Savage doesn't wheelie, so it must suck. Well, my XXX-NT wheelied like crazy and was quite fast, do you want that instead of an MT? Didn't think so.

I've got a friend with a new Maxx and a friend with a new Savage. So far the Maxx is faster, both are very capable on-road and off-road, and the Savage has broken a lot less than the Maxx under similar circumstances. My friend's Maxx is very tough now that he's got about $800 into it (bulkheads, skidplates, shocks, etc). The other guy's Savage is tough too, and he's only had to put in a couple uprights and dogbones.

So what's better? I can't answer that for you, I can only share my experiences and share what I've seen. If speed out of a stock truck is all that matters, get the Maxx. If you want oodles of hop-ups right now, get the Maxx. If you want a great initial product that is very tough out of the box, get the Savage. You could dump $110 into the Savage and put in an Ofna Force 25 engine and pull wheelies and have more speed. That'd still probably be cheaper than it is to buy a Maxx and make it durable. But to each their own. My Maxx-owning friend loves his Maxx, and my Savage-owning friend loves his Savage.

That said, I bought a Savage tonight. :D

[nfs_srt10]

owning both i would have to say the Savage is an all around better truck... yea the maxx is faster, yea it can wheelie, yea it has more after market stuff, but its not that durable, it rolls too easily (they made it wider but put in a faster motor...got no where) it can't take the abuse that a savage can and it can't take a bigger engine without $$$ for a conversion....the Saavge is slower (change gearing or even enigne if you want) can't wheelie (stiffen shocks) has less after market (give it another month or so) but it has everything the maxx doesn't and then some...don't get me wrong i like both trucks and they both have their perke i like the savge bettter JMO

ps...even though the maxx was here first and set some stuff up for the current and future MT's it still borrowed stuff from past trucks ,so this where would we be if the maxx hadn't showed up is a cop-out

[doesgo]

Well said. That thing about "where would the Savage be without the Maxx" is pointless. I don't think there's a R/C fan out there who'd deny the T-Maxx is a very popular truck and that it was out for public consumption before the Savage. But we're talking about which is better, not which is older!

There's room for both trucks in the market, let's just be glad they both exist so we can have fun and compete with one another!

[cynical_zen]

Originally posted by doesgo
Well said. That thing about "where would the Savage be without the Maxx" is pointless. I don't think there's a R/C fan out there who'd deny the T-Maxx is a very popular truck and that it was out for public consumption before the Savage. But we're talking about which is better, not which is older!

There's room for both trucks in the market, let's just be glad they both exist so we can have fun and compete with one another!


To which I say; AMEN!!!!!
Competition between companies will improve products that we comsume...guess who wins? Had it not for other MTs to compete with T-Maxxes, would Traxxas invested so much R&D time/expenses into creating a 40+MPH 2.5 we have today?
However, the questions of which is better has been around for well over 30 years...anyone remember Chevy vs. Ford vs. Mopar?
Anyhoo, I ordered some...make that all Newera aluminum arms, bulk-heads, upright braces, center skid...etc, what do you all think? Should I have waited for other companies, i.e. Hardcore, RPM, GPM, etc?
Now if only this $%&#%^*ing weather get back up above 5 degrees so I can go outside and play!!!!!!!!!!!!
Tri

[TitansGT4]

I am so mad right now...Stupid Tmaxx!! I bought a 22 dolla aluminum skidplate yesterday, n' 2day i hit a curb at 15 mph n' it breaks. The truck is so cheap that even the aftermarket parts 4 it r crappy. I'm gettin a friggin Savage!

[Mojoe]

u need facts do you skrib? well read the facts then, then you will see the savage is better. im not sure if you admitted its greatness so i wont rave on.
im not rolling in cash either, i had to work for about a year to get the savage so there:p
im prepared to leave this argument at that before it turns nasty. T-maxx was blatantly better than the MP anyway;)

[doesgo]

T-maxx was blatantly better than the MP anyway;)
WHAT?!?! The MP ROCKS you nerve-wrackin' son-of-a..... :D Kiddin' man, I've never had either one.

You know what? In the past 4.5 months that I've been into R/C I've owned an Associated RC10T, an HPI Nitro MT, a Losi XXX-NT, Associated RC10GT, OFNA Ultra GT LX buggy, and I just ordered up a Savage last night. And you know what? THEY'RE ALL A BLAST! They're all different, they all have good characteristics and bad characteristics, and they all drain my wallet.

So after having all those (with the Savage yet to come), I'm left with the 1/8-scale buggy and later this week the Savage. I guess I've become an 1/8-scale big-block guy through and through. 4WD and big power are a great combination.

[TEAMDUZE]

New body for my Savage. I finally mounted the thing so thought that you guys would want to see.:D

[Terra Crusher]

looks nice teamduze!! as always good work from ya!!!:D :D ;)

[Struppi]

The savage is defenetly not a T-maxx clone, I have them both.
The svg is a hell of fun, a real screamer. Just one thing, that shity air filter is to tiny, I have to clean that thing every two tanks. But the rest can take an unbelievable beating while thrashing around.

[Struppi]

Originally posted by Kebv
You can get 16% and 25% Tornado from Galaxy Models if you phone up. (www.galaxymodels.co.uk)
Unfortunately it doesn't say how much oil it has, but then most fuels don't anyway.
I run Tornado 16% oil plus, thus extra oil, works fine and no slijm on your car.

[nuespeed]

Struppi be careful with your language

[Peg Leg]

Hey everybody i just ordered a Savage. I've been a nitro guy my whole life. I used to own a Duratrax TQ and i can't wait for my Savage. Can anybody tell me what % of oil and nitro fuel to run in the Savage? Thanks for anybodies help?:confused:

[wavejake]

I think the stuff I have been running is 20% nitro methanol and 16% castor oil.

Hope this helps.

[TEAMDUZE]

Originally posted by Peg Leg
Hey everybody i just ordered a Savage. I've been a nitro guy my whole life. I used to own a Duratrax TQ and i can't wait for my Savage. Can anybody tell me what % of oil and nitro fuel to run in the Savage? Thanks for anybodies help?:confused:

I run Blue Thunder 20%. If I remember correctly it has 18% Oil and 20% Nitro.

There are lots of good fuels out there on the market. I think that HPI Suggest that you run a fuel with 18% or above oil content.

Good Luck.:D

[doesgo]

I think HPI recommends 20% nitro and 14% oil, at least they did for my other HPI vehicle.

Most common fuels (Blue Thunder, Trinity, O'Donnell, etc.) from what I've seen and read, have 12% oil, or close to that. I think HPI's Power Fuel has 14% oil.

[dainjarouz]

Doesgo is right, It is 20% nitro and 14% oil. For the savage they recommend two fuels, I forgot the name of one but the other isWildcat Qwikfire Car (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXA319&P=7) Alot of people seem to be running Blue Thunder though. It's your choice.

[doesgo]

I went to HobbyTown today to get some 20% HPI fuel for the Savage I'll be getting on Friday and they only had 30% on hand. Okay, so I'll go with O'Donnell. Only 10% in stock (nine gallons of it, too!). I looked around further and they had a dozen gallons of Traxxas 10% and no 20% at all. Jeez, I really dislike HobbyTown!

I went with Trinity Monster HP 20%.

[nuespeed]

Get 20 % odennel that's what I have

[dainjarouz]

YO! neuspeed...good to see you in this forum too....nice typo! :p

[nuespeed]

good to see you here too from Savageaction

[Jones4speed]

I've always run 10-15% nitro and extra-rich mixture during the "break-in" of any r/c engine. Then I switch to 20% (after a thorough "massage" of the rich settings) The engines potential should be achieved over a period of time.
Just my 2 pennies on the subjt.

[Mojoe]

I use Model Technics Fuel. I dont think they have Model Technics in the US but it seems to work well. It probably isnt as good as Blue thunder and the such but it does a good job. Im running 16% nitro at the moment and seems to do fine. Running out of the damn stuff tho! :rolleyes:

[Mojoe]

This is my savage. Im going to try and get some actions shots as soon as i can. The truck isnt upgraded in any way as you can see but the pik is quite a nice angle. Im gonna get a shot of monster air as soon as i get my blasted pull start.

By the way, i asked Tower to send it air mail and the scum ( to be far they are normally good)have sent it by surface for the same price!:mad:It will be absolute weeks until i can get the savage going again. i should probably ring up and complain but i dont kno if its worth it. Any ideas on how to start it w/o the pull start?

[RushMan86]

some trucks or cars you can just use a yank elimanito or a drill bit. But with the mounting position of the 21BB i don't think that will work.

[dainjarouz]

Would a donut adapter on a torque starter start the savage?

[newracer]

nope there is no way to engage the flywheel, it is surrounded by chassis

[gaus]

Hey..

I've been looking at the manual and everything but I thought I'd ask anyway.. What is the best way to take some of the components out without disturbing others, ie. engine, diffs, etc... also, how time consuming will it be to install the reverse mod? Are there online disassembly instructions anywhere?

I like the savage a lot. I was watching my truck being driven in my MT snowpark by my friend yesterday and the damn thing looks unreal against the white background...

gaus

[outfitter540]

one question, how come your friend is driving your truck, and not u?

[alarsh]

I got one and LOVE it! If you got any questions let me know....

http://pic1.picturetrail.com/VOL104/827349/1479274/19066949.jpg
http://pic1.picturetrail.com/VOL104/827349/1479274/19066948.jpg
http://pic1.picturetrail.com/VOL104/827349/1479274/19066902.jpg
http://pic1.picturetrail.com/VOL104/827349/1479274/19066881.jpg

[guswiththemugen]

This may be a silly question but why do people put cable ties through the top cooling fin of there engine heat sinks(heads)? I see it a lot and cant really think of a reason for it.

[wavejake]

It is so that when you flip you wont scratch the top of your heatsink head.

[guswiththemugen]

Thankyou Wavejake, another question answered! By the way, have any of you savage owners had an honest race against a stock Ofna Dominator? Both bars in stock form? I am a Dominator owner but love the savage, the thing is i have never driven against one. From what i have read the savage has the straight line speed with the two speed and has better ground clearance but the Dominator has better overall handling? (being a buggy)
Thanks

[Mojoe]

Gus, Can you tell me the difference between a Monster Pirate and a Dominator? cuz i cant!

cheers

[guswiththemugen]

Well Mojoe, ive never owned a Monster Pirate so i cant help you. I do know that the biggest problem with the MP was the wieght and size of the tyres and they are different on the dominator. The shocks are different, there are a lot of differences but coulnt list them without re-reading mags. etc. The dominator has a slipper clutch standard, dont know if the MP had one. The front and rear bumpers are different and i know the Dominator is a faster truck on the track than the MP, turns and handles better due to the wheel-tyre combo, but what i want to know is how it compares to the Savage on the track. May have to find out the hard way........GO RACING!

[Mojoe]

Thanks Gus, it seems still that they are pretty much the same, just look a bit different and have small diffeences like slipper clutches.

Goin racing sounds like a good idea. Ithink bashing is more appropriate;)

[WheelNut]

Monster Pirate (http://www.ofna.com/mon_pirate_80.html)

Dominator (http://www.ofna.com/dom_80.html)

[bignitropower]

Hey Guys,

I know that there is a LOT of interest in the MANY new SAVAGE upgrades that Hot Bodies is releasing! I also know that it has been extremely difficult to get detailed information and pictures on these new upgrades. I am a Hot Bodies dealer and it has even been hard for me to get more information because these products are so new!

Now that I have lots more info, I thought some of you guys would be very interested in checking out the many detailed pictures and new information I posted on these upgrades!

Just a few of the MANY examples:

Precision Machined Aluminum Shocks (set of 8) - $79.95
Extended Wheelbase Aluminum Chassis Plates + Shaft - $53.95
Aluminum Tuned Pipe - $24.95

There are a lot more upgrades, info, and lots of pictures at the web site:

http://www.extremercmotorsports.com/Savage-Accessories.htm

I've been very busy and may not catch messages posted in reply to this post. You can send me an e-mail at the address given at the web site if you want more info.

I know that dealers are not supposed to just advertise on the forum, but this is much more than that... Why shouldn't a dealer also be able to be a part of the Forum and help get out information that many people are seeking?!?! That's what this Forum should be all about... a place to come to share information and experiences while enjoying a great hobby.

Edward
EXTREME RC MOTORSPORTS

[guswiththemugen]

Suspension, driveline and wheels are enough of a change to turn the Monster Pirate into a competitive truck.
Take a look at the top 1/8th buggies, Inferno, MBX-4XR, Hyper7 pro....etc. The differences between these cars are minimal and they are different manufactures so for Ofna to make the changes they have to the MP to make it a Dominator i think are significant in comparison to other classes of r/c. Either way, everyone has there own opinion wich is why there is a million different r/c cars to choose from and not one to suit everyone.

[Mojoe]

oohoo! id like some of those, the groovy shocks, the disc brake and the carbon chassis plates. does ure company do overseas shipping?

[pjbaz]

...Cool looking truck, I saw it yesterday.

PJBAZ

[cbr74]

Just took this out of the box this morning and noticed it has a different air filter than earlier ones. Looks like a little better design.
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Jan/20031308954854308319097.jpg
http://mediaservice.photoisland.com/auction/Jan/20031301812087656206807.jpg

:cool:

[theramman]

Where I could get the HotBodies extended chassis and bigger tires?

[B!!!]

It came with the braided fuel lines?

[cbr74]

It came with the braided fuel lines?

hahaha... no. Those I put on myself.

[B!!!]

Whew! I was wondering if you somehow got the super-deluxe model or something. They look really cool!

[cbr74]

Yeah.. I got the Pro version. LOL

They do look cool and hence.. the reason I put them on there.

:D

[Rushevaderacer]

Where did you get those fuel lines
got a link

[RushMan86]

yea the old air filters sucked they restriced air flow.

[bignitropower]

Hey Guys,

I've had people asking, so....

Just a quick note to let you know that the first shipment of Hot Bodies SAVAGE Upgrades arrived today. Shopping cart system is updated and ready to take orders for many of the upgrades now in stock. I have another shipment of SAVAGE upgrades due to arrive next Tuesday. Other upgrades are also on order and will arrive as soon as they are available from Hot Bodies.

http://www.extremercmotorsports.com/Savage-Accessories.htm

Edward
EXTREME RC MOTORSPORTS


Originally posted by bignitropower
Hey Guys,

I know that there is a LOT of interest in the MANY new SAVAGE upgrades that Hot Bodies is releasing! I also know that it has been extremely difficult to get detailed information and pictures on these new upgrades. I am a Hot Bodies dealer and it has even been hard for me to get more information because these products are so new!

Now that I have lots more info, I thought some of you guys would be very interested in checking out the many detailed pictures and new information I posted on these upgrades!

Just a few of the MANY examples:

Precision Machined Aluminum Shocks (set of 8) - $79.95
Extended Wheelbase Aluminum Chassis Plates + Shaft - $53.95
Aluminum Tuned Pipe - $24.95

There are a lot more upgrades, info, and lots of pictures at the web site:

http://www.extremercmotorsports.com/Savage-Accessories.htm

I've been very busy and may not catch messages posted in reply to this post. You can send me an e-mail at the address given at the web site if you want more info.

I know that dealers are not supposed to just advertise on the forum, but this is much more than that... Why shouldn't a dealer also be able to be a part of the Forum and help get out information that many people are seeking?!?! That's what this Forum should be all about... a place to come to share information and experiences while enjoying a great hobby.

Edward
EXTREME RC MOTORSPORTS

[cbr74]

Where did you get those fuel lines

CEC 7705 Braided Lines for HPI Savage

RcBoyz (http://www.rcboyz.com/) will have some next week.

[rapter41]

Hey everyone, i'm quite new to R/C and i'm going to purchase the Savage for my first nitro car. My LHS has it for £415 w/o radio gear, and £450 w/ radio. Well on modelsportuk.com they have it for £380 w/o radio. So that's what i will buy, but it is still alot of money and i was just wondering would the savage run well using the Acoms Techniplus 27AM radio and servos that i have in my Tl-01? Cause i don't think i could afford to buy another radio control system + servos. So would that work well in the savage or would they not be powerful enough?
Thanks in advance for your help,
~Rapter

[newracer]

A high torque servo is almost a necessity for steering but any standard servo will work for the throttle and your transmiter and receiver should be fine.

[rapter41]

Ok thanks, so looks like i'll have to spend more money :( is there any servo which you or anyone else reccomends? Remember im on a tight budget, thanks.
~Rapter

[newracer]

Hitec 645 or 605.

[nuespeed]

645

[nuespeed]

645

[alarsh]

I got the hump pack from ballsticbatteries.com and it can turn the wheelies while on the ground!:cool:

[Kenny123]

IF ANY ONE WANT TO KNOW HOW TO GET AN HPI SAVAGE FOR $80 email me at: KENNYVIP@msn.com

[ViperStrike]

Hey guys, here are some pics of my savage

http://users.erols.com/thelastd/mysav1.jpg
http://users.erols.com/thelastd/mysav2.jpg
http://users.erols.com/thelastd/mysav3.jpg
http://users.erols.com/thelastd/mysav4.jpg
http://users.erols.com/thelastd/mysav5.jpg

[AFI/Misfits]

thats so nice!!!!!!!!! looks awesome!! hey did the maxx tires make it alot smaller?

[Terra Crusher]

nice job viperstrike!!! that looks great!!:D :D :cool: ;)

[browskiii]

Originally posted by guswiththemugen
Thankyou Wavejake, another question answered! By the way, have any of you savage owners had an honest race against a stock Ofna Dominator? Both bars in stock form? I am a Dominator owner but love the savage, the thing is i have never driven against one. From what i have read the savage has the straight line speed with the two speed and has better ground clearance but the Dominator has better overall handling? (being a buggy)
Thanks
Hey dood,my brothers own ofna one has a dominator extreme the other has the mp,i own the savage.As far as speed goes those two blow me away,the 8port is just to much.But as for the handling offroad and jumping the savage takes the cake.They also are snaping axels and pull cords like there going out of style,burning out servos and loosing wheels constanly even after locktight.We all have been driving in the same place and i have only broke 1 shock,and that was do to an idiotic stunt i tried,so the savage seems to be the more studier of the three.We have never driven them on a track so that may be a whole new story.As they all have desighn flaws,i think the buggy should be left a buggy,everything on the ofna is exsposed,engine servo,linkage,airfilter,ect.The savage is all tucked in nicely,safe from debree.So it will really depend on how and where u like to drive it to decide on what u want.If u want to race i think the ofna would probably be the way to go seeing how its really a buggy,but just having fun offroad the savage is the big cheif in my eyes.

[Rushevaderacer]

Originally posted by Kenny123
IF ANY ONE WANT TO KNOW HOW TO GET AN HPI SAVAGE FOR $80 email me at: KENNYVIP@msn.com

LOL arent they selling the link to that on ebay

[dthomas07]

That is a beautiful paint job Viper!

My friend and I are trying to decide between the Hyper .21 8 Port and the Ofna .25 for his savage - any advice?

:)

[ViperStrike]

Thanks :D

Hyper .21 8 port is an all around better engine.
its also faster then the .25

its a pain to break in though.
very tough to start.

the .25 also only has a 2 needle carb.
(which is easier to tune)




Savage21.net (http://www.savage21.net)

[KIPPER]

LOOKING FOR SMALLER AND LGR SPUR GEARS CAN ANYONE HELP?

[AFI/Misfits]

hey did the maxx tires make it alot smaller?

[drader]

Originally posted by dthomas07
That is a beautiful paint job Viper!

My friend and I are trying to decide between the Hyper .21 8 Port and the Ofna .25 for his savage - any advice?

:)

I really love my 8 port, but the XTM .247 is easier to tune, way more torque, and idles all day. I sorta can't wait for my 8 port to wear out.:(

[Peg Leg]

What kind of mods will it take to make the .247 or the 8 port engine fit in the savage? I just broke in my engine the other day and have not ran it after the break in to see how it really goes. Hopefully it goes better then the duratrax TQ...... Thanks:cool:

[ViperStrike]

No the Maxx tires did not make it a lot smaller
the spikes make the tire larger then it really is though.
I like that they make the truck lower, but you need to gear up.

[Frank McKinney]

AFI/Misfits - T-Maxx and E-Maxx bodies, wheels and tires fit the Savage, and vice versa also.

[KOLOR KRAFT]

Originally posted by Rushevaderacer
LOL arent they selling the link to that on ebay

ya whats the deal with the link it is all over e-bay do you have to wait forever or what there is always a catch does anybody no :(

[ViperStrike]

Its a pyramid scam.
you have to sell them link yourself then you get enough money to buy a Savage.

its horribe and ebay should ban them all.

[KOLOR KRAFT]

thanks i found the site on the other forum and it is a scam........

[KOLOR KRAFT]

Originally posted by KOLOR KRAFT
thanks i found the site on the other forum and it is a scam........

here is the link should be baned on e-bay http://www.movemeup.com/

[nitro tiger]

does the humpack buy ballstic fit in the orginal orginal battery compartment?

[ViperStrike]

yes it does

[KOLOR KRAFT]

WHO PAINTED that savage or is that a factory job looks real good

[nitro tiger]

really i need to pick that up then. were is that pack please post a link i lost it:eek:

[ViperStrike]

That body was painted by Skidmark.
you can find a link to his site on mine.

www.savage21.net

[Jeckler]

I'm posting this all over, so fiorgive me if you've seen it:

Ok, I'm sure everyone's seen the eBay 'auctions' saying you can get a Savage for $80. Don't do it! The info you get sent is a link to a site called http://www.movemeup.com. Movemeup calls it a matrix. The US government and law enforcement call it a pyramid scheme. In this case, it's called a ponzi (named for, yep, a guy named Ponzi http://www.mark-knutson.com/)scheme, a straight line matrix designed to pay the top people with money (or, in this case a Savage) from the people below. The way it works is for every 10 people that join the matrix, the person at the top 'cycles' out, and gets the 'gift', or can opt for a cash payout. The only way to win this is to be one of the top people, say one of the first 5. Right now, there are 138 people in the Savage matrix at movemeup. In order for that 138th person to cycle out, ONE THOUSAND THREE HUNDRED AND EIGHTY (1380) more people have to join. For that 1,380th person to cycle, 13,800 MORE people have to join, you get the idea where this is headed. Do a google search for ponzi, matrtix and pyramid schemes to see how this all works.

In the case of movemeup, they tell you straight up that you're not buying a Savage (or one of the other things they offer), you're buying an eBook. Nowhere on the site that I could see was any explanation of these eBooks, what they were about, who wrote them, etc. The eBook line is their way of skirting the law. But, in order for this whole thing to be legal, there has to be a couple conditions, what your paying for must have some worth ($80 for an email that shows you where to download your Ebook??), and the gift must be of secondary value. You cannot tell me that in the case of movemeup, that people are paying this money for a book, and the gift is secondary. My guess is most of these people NEVER download the book.

I give movemeup a month or two at the most before it folds.

Also at eBay, past winners of auctions selling the link to movemeup.com have turned around and started auctions of their own, with the same information! This is against eBay policy.

Don't buy the link!

[ViperStrike]

Lol I just saw that you already did.

thank you!

[SavageBasher]

I loVe my Savage!!!!! This truck is awesome. Those of you who think this is a T-Maxx clone are wrong! this thing is completely different from T-Maxxes. The shocks are longer the whole chassis is different! The Tin vertical plates make this truck really rigid so the suspension can do its job! All of the parts on this truck are bigger than T-Maxx parts! The after market support for this truck is gonna be awesome! Hotbodies already has tuned pipes bodies graphite plates aluminum shocks! Hardcore racing has Titanium plates in green purple silver and blue also they have motor mount in the same colors! T-maxxes have nuthin on the savage! I sat and waited 1 hour for my friend to get his T started and i had my Savage started in 2 pulls of the starter cord! And guys guess what............This is my first R/C......I'm only 13 years old. I paid for my savage I tuned my Savage I can take it apart and put it back together! ANnd I can drive it well! Jus my 2 cents!

[Nitroaddict]

I couldn't agree more SavageBasher!! I have an old Tmaxx and one of my good friends also has one..Our trucks have always needed repair. I was kinda hard on my maxx, buy I never really did anything outrageous with it like 30 foot jumps or anything. The sad part is my friends truck always breaks and he never jumps his truck more than 1 foot high. Both of our .15 pro engines crapped prematurely, his with less than half a gallon through it. Traxxas did repair his engine, but it only broke again after about 1 gallon. I replaced my engine due to lack of power, and gave it to my buddy. I R2 my engine with a megatech which I liked for the first half gallon, then it blew up. Megatech repaired it and it never ran right after that. I chunked it and got an O.S. Max CVX .15 which I only ran one tank through so far. I have been too busy bashing my Dominator and breaking in my Savage. I just broke the Savage in last weekend and I love this truck. The power is decent for a low end .21 and I love the way this truck handles, turns, jumps and runs in general. I haven't broken anything, but I have yet to start the real bashing (i.e. jumping 15feet high)..I am not really in a hurry to break in my tmaxx, I don't even have fun with it anymore..

[SavageBasher]

Thank you Nitroaddict. I have 600 dollars in hop-ups that I plan to put on my savage. Not look good stuff but stuff for durrability and performance. Right now its all stock but it still runs like a dream. I got this thang X-mas day and we broke it in that day and my mom and dad are split up so we go to alot of houses so my dad let me take it! so i had to run shows at all of there houses

[broton]

MY savage makes a rather loud metallic noise when i try to start it. It is the first time i have tried and have been uncsuccessful. Has anyone esle had this sound? it sounds pretty bad but when i unsrew the glow plug it sounds okay so i am not sure what t o make of it.

I haven't have an engine about .12 so this may be normal.

thanks for your help

broton

[TEAMDUZE]

Don't worry about it. Most people that have the .21ss motor from HPI will tell you that theres does the same thing.

Mine does it and it is usually telling you that fuel has entered the chamber and that she should be close to starting.

I have a T and a Savage. The Savage runs FAR more often than the T :D

Thanks
Duze

[TitansGT4]

i got a savage yesterday!!i'm on my second break in tank(i didnt finish it was 10:00) and this thing is way better than the maxx i sold to get it!! HPI, i luv u. Traxxas, i luv u 2 i have a 4tec, but i like the savage better than the maxx. whoo hoo

[M 5]

Anyone got GPM hop-ups for their Savage?

I have $1000 to spend for hop-ups. Im thinking about all the GPM goodies!! Anyone uses them?

[TitansGT4]

Anyone here ever driven the Savage in the snow?

[cynical_zen]

Originally posted by TitansGT4
Anyone here ever driven the Savage in the snow?

Yes!!! You'll have lots of fun. I simply balloon the steering servo, and take the time to clean the truck afterward.
Do becareful, the Savage will get stuck in deep loose powders.

Originally posted by M 5
Anyone got GPM hop-ups for their Savage?

I have $1000 to spend for hop-ups. Im thinking about all the GPM goodies!! Anyone uses them?

No, but I do have about $300.00 worth of hopus from New Era.
Next hopups will be an RB S7W w/pullstart, titanium dogbones, Ritter pipe and alum. bodied shocks if I can find those.

[B!!!]

Originally posted by M 5
Anyone got GPM hop-ups for their Savage?


Stay away from the titanium universals. They completely suck. I broke one after only a couple of tanks of use, and there was very little strain on it since I was running in snow. I guessing that the other 3 will bust the first time I hit a dry patch of road or anything that isn't covered with snow and ice.

[Mojoe]

Hey SavgeBasher, I did much the same as u. I spent ages saving up for my savage (im 14). Ive done it all myself. I just broke a pull start and im just waiting for a new one. where dya live? btw, u can get alot of air off a mogul if u hit it good, u dnt need big jumps. I imagine there are some moguls near u. u'll be surprised :)

[coolracer47]

Has anyone broke a fin off the heatsink yet? Would this effect the temp or anything cause the piece that I broke off is pretty big.

[newracer]

look here

http://www.hpiracing.com/rcforum/showthread.php?threadid=58353

[TitansGT4]

i got the savage 3 days ago and i already broke something! i just finished break in and i drove it off a snowpile but it landed upside down and i snapped a knuckle. I'm goin to the shop soon to get a new one. This truck is so fast!! I used to have a Tmaxx and that junk was slow, this truck squats its rear end but the soft suspension sucks up the wheelie. I'm not gonna stiffen it i like it the way it comes from the factory this truck is awesome.

[fezzy]

Anyone know the Diameter/Width of the Savage tyres?.

Cheers.

[AFI/Misfits]

diameter=6 1/4" width=3 1/2"

[browskiii]

Originally posted by coolracer47
Has anyone broke a fin off the heatsink yet? Would this effect the temp or anything cause the piece that I broke off is pretty big.


Yes i have bashed the motor myself.I broke a few fins cracked the motor mount and the plate it sits on.While i realize it wasnt very smart to jump over 5feet and land on pavement,i think the design is poor,yet very conveinyent.There should be some kind of roll bar to protect the motor.But untill somebody comes out with one i will not run the truck without an suv top on it.Its a pain to have to lift the lid to start it or put gas in it,but it beats bashing up the motor.As for the heating question i cant help ya i ddnt run it untill i replaced all the parts i broke.

[AFI/Misfits]

savage jumping (http://members.lycos.co.uk/deadnightwarrior/jumping.wmv)

[Mojoe]

The link doesnt work! :( arggggg!!!!

[Mojoe]

The link doesnt work! :( arggggg!!!!

[Mojoe]

ah come on ladies! ;) this forum is getting boring!

hear me now,
-Whats the longest air any1 has got 2date? ill start this one, about 4 metres from the edge of a green on a golfcourse. ne1 beat that?
-Whats the highst air ne1 has got 2 date?
-Whats the steepest hill ne one has climbed?
-Whats the most beasty trick ne1 has pulled off? like backflips or stuff?

come on lets get some life back in here!

[RushMan86]

hey guys i am planning on buying a savage for sure this summer now. What do you think the first upgrades hop-ups should be....?

[RushMan86]

oh yea i only have guessingly around 450-550$

[B!!!]

Get the HPI heavy duty dogbones. Silicon shock oil to replace the sludge that comes stock. Not much else is really needed right away. You could always get a better pipe like the RB 086 or the HotBodies pipe. You will probably be upgrading the steering servo at some point, but mine lasted quite a while. A rechargable RX battery pack is a good idea. Any Savage you get now should have updated uprights and air filter, so you should be good there for a while. Oh, get a fuel filter.

[newracer]

fuel filter, air filter, shock oil, pipe

[TEAMDUZE]

1. Fuel Filter
2. Airtronics 94358Z Steering Servo
3. Team Duze Shock Bud - E - Z
4. 1600 nimh receiver pack.
5. silicone shock oil
6. take the steering servo they give you and put in the gas and brake servo location.
7. Move the TRS to the hole on the handle/role bar.
8. Get rid of that gross stock body and get a custom paint job. :-)
9. Seal the diff's
10. lock tight the 2 speed shift adjustment grub screw.
11. Longer Antenna tube.
12. Reverse the screw holding the top of the shock to the tower behind the fuel tank so that it does not puncture it.

As I sit here writing these I am remebering the huge list that goes for my T-Maxx. I look at this list and laugh and think how much more fun I have with my SAVAGE than my T. It also makes me remember the amounts of money that I have on my T. I love my SAVAGE......:D

[wavejake]

What wt shock oil should I get?

How do you seal the diffs?

[TEAMDUZE]

Originally posted by wavejake
What wt shock oil should I get?

How do you seal the diffs?

I went with Trinity 40 for the front and Trinity 50 for the rear. To Seal the Diffs I used Clear Silicone Sealer. Take the Front and rear skids off and you will see where there is a recessed area for the gear. You will also see that this mates to the AL plate holder. Run a beed of sealer around were the plastic and the plate meet. wipe any excess that spills into the recessed area and put them back on the truck.

This is how I did it. Others may have done it different. Check out www.savage21.net they probably have a walk through.

Good Luck Duze!

[newracer]

check the FAQ on HPI's site, they show how to seal the diffs

[nuespeed]

I have many tech tips for the savage at www.savageaction.com savageaction (http://www.savageaction.com) you can also see pics of my wrecked savage

[Jasio18]

Hi. Although I don't own a Savage and am not interested in buying one, I thought it would be cool if I tell you what I saw today.

I was out in the back of a school running my Monster Pirate with a couple of friends, than this guy shows up with a Savage, it takes him forever to get is started due to the very cold weather. My friends were riding their T-maxx trucks which they have put large amounts of money into. Than we had a drag race where everyone (5 trucks total: 1 monster pirate, 1 savage, and 3 t-maxxes) lined up and slammed the trigger on the "go". My pirate started to make a grinding noise as I was accelerating and I was like "thats not good." All of a sudden it started to bank to the right side, the guy driving the savage turned to the right to avoid me hitting him, he didn't notice the t-maxx on his side and went straight into the side of him at very fast speed. It was unbelivable, I saw the maxx bend down and break into two pieces. The savage kept on riding as the 2-part t-maxx was laying there silently....it was dead. We estimated the damage to the maxx to be about $80-$100, the damage done to the savage was $0. My monster pirates rear differential was torn apart during the drag race, that caused the rear tires to lock up and made my truck turn right. But anyway, the savage seems like a very strong truck, it was an amazing spectacle watching the maxx being torn into two pieces...the body posts torn apart the body during the collision. It was amazing.

[Jasio18]

I think I killed this thread....no one seems to write here anymore :confused:

[RushMan86]

Jasio Thats an awesome story, and then they say who will win savage or t-maxx well there ya go. I wish i couda seen that that would have been awesome!! Come on people these threads are dying!

[Jasio18]

LOL...it was crazy. Everybody was silent yet dying laughing inside when the maxx was broken.

Anyway, it seems like all the Monster Truck forums on RCCA are slowly duying out. I don't see much activity here anymore.

[mtmiller302]

Does anybody know how big the ball ends are on the dogbones on the Savage (boy that doesn't sound good...).

I'm thinking of using Savage dogbones in a project truck. Many 1/8 dogbone balls are 8mm in diameter. The Dtx Thunder Quake is 10mm in diameter. Would anybody care to measure theirs, or see if you can insert the dogbone into an OFNA drive cup to see if it fits?

Thanks in advance!

[nfs_srt10]

Originally posted by doesgo
People seem to have gone over to the Savage board on the MaxxTraxx forum. Lots of action there.

http://216.89.252.161/cgi-bin/forums/ikonboard.cgi?;act=SF;f=11

they have either gone to maxxtraxx or toSavage21.net (http://www.savage21.net)

[dainjarouz]

YUP, the other forums are full of a lot of great info.

mtmiller...i believe the stock dogbones are 9mm.

[ntc3racer]

Most people are visiting other forums. But there's a new forum for the savage also. I think it's somehthing like ************** (http://**************) <--- wassup with that?

hpi savage.com

do it w/o the spaces :o

[hvp014]

found on hpi fourm. 1/8 and 1/10 differance. savage num 1!

ps buying savage on april 14 03

[nitro tiger]

:eek: Funny pic

[ImpulseGTP]

That body should fit on a super nitro!!

btw guys i will be getting a savage soon and i m gonna put a hyper .21 8 port on it, anyone have expreience with this combo?? can the stock tranny handle the power with no problem at all?? thanks:)

[B!!!]

Many people have been putting Hyper 8 ports in their Savage with very good results, along with Force 25s, XTM 24.7s, WS7s, and even C5s.

The only thing people have been upgrading to accomodate these engines are the dogbones. The HPI heavy duty dogbones seem to work well for people. Or the HotBodies CVDs. There's a bunch of choices now, but stay away from GPM and their universals because they suck big time.

You may want to get a 16t clutchbell to tame the engines a bit so you don't flip the truck with every take off, and a 3 shoe clutch or the MIP 7.5 2 shoe clutch.

Lastly, you will want to get rid of the stock pipe and get a better tuned pipe to let the engine breathe better.

Hope this helps.
Have fun with your new Savage!

B

[wavejake]

Would you recommend the Hot Bodies aluminum tuned pipe?

Are the dogbones almost guaranteed to bend with the 8 port?

[B!!!]

I've never used the HotBodies pipe, but I hear it's pretty decent. I use a RB 086 myself and it's much better than the stock pipe. A dude on MaxxTraxx is going to do a comparo between some pipes - HotBodies, RB, Ritter, and I think Cvec to see which one is best. He's going to test power, noise, and fuel consumption. I'm anxiously awaiting some results, along with about a hundred others.

As far as the dogbones go, a bad batch of stock bones is causing all sorts of problems. I've broken 6 or so with the stock 21bb engine and have since upgrade to Kippster dogbones, but others including a guy with a WS7 engine, was running the stock dogbones just fine for quite awhile before breaking one. They haven't been bending as much as they have been flat out breaking. I haven't heard of anyone breaking the HPI HD dogbones and I think they are cheaper than many other options. I am hearing that the HotBodies CVDs are good too.

[ImpulseGTP]

Thanks for your input B!!!. i will prolly get the hyper 8 port, but what about the XTM .247? how do you compare that to the hyper 8P?
thanks again.

[B!!!]

Actually I'm not sure about the XTM. I hear it has buttloads of power! I guess it has other problems though, like it needs a better cooling head and a better pull starter. Other than that haven't heard much because most are going for the 8 port or Force 25. I've hear the 8 port has a crappy pull start too, and today I busted the pull start on my Force 25 that I am still breaking in. :mad:

[hvp014]

aaahh whats 8 port? im lost. thanks newbie

[ntc3racer]

Ofna Hyper 21 8 Port ;-)

[hvp014]

so its a better engine? k whats so good bout it? sry again

[hvp014]

1. First impressions of quality during pre-install disassembly--- upon opening the boxes they both look of good qualitly. The .25 has the same head that comes on the stock 21bb whle the Hyper 8 port looks to have a slightly smaller head but with a nicer fininsh. The carb on the .25 is an all aluminum 2 needle carb. While the 8 port has a more high tech composite 3 needle carb. Everything on both engines seemed nicely sealed except the 8 port only had 1 carb O-ring while the .25 had 2. I also notice the 8 port carb would not close all the way and seemed to hang a little. I put a little Marvel Mystery oil in it and moved it in and out about 20 times until it closed freely. Both engines look to be ported nicely, but the 8 port looks a little more finished. This may or may not be an advantage because the .25 looks to have plenty of room for porting which would really bring the HP up. Both engines are exceptional in quality, but I think one is slightly better with it's composite 3 needle carb and clean looking finish.
Quality - .25=8.5, 8 port=9.0

To read the rest of his review click read more at the bottom.

Installation --- The .25 fits in the truck, but you will need to make one slight modification to fit it in there. The holes for the motor mounts are closer together and you will need to put extra holes in the motor so that it will line up with the mounts. It's not big deal, just grab a 3/16 drill, mark off where the hole has to go and 5 minutes later it's ready to drop in. Everything else goes right on and drops right into the truck. The 8 port is a drop in. the mounting holes line up and you can simply just bolt it in. I did notice one thing when putting the clutch bell on, it had more movement on the SG shaft so I had to add one more washer to shim out the bell. Overall they are both easy to mount up.
Mounting - .25=9.5, 8 port=10

Break in --- The .25 took 3 pulls and fired up. It will idle through a full tank while sitting there at the perfect temp. Tank 2 took only 2-3 pulls and drove around slobbery rich without incident. It also went through tank 3 of break in no problem. The 8 port was a different story. I could not even get it to turn over, it felt hydro locked but had no fuel in it. I heated it up with a hair dryer and it helped but would still barely turn over. After 2 huge blisters and 30 minutes it finally started. I've never had an engine this hard to start for the first time. It did idle through the tank easily once started. When the engine shut off, I checked to make sure it didn't stop at top dead center (TDC) and it did. I tried to pull the starter before it stuck there and couldn't. The engine was seized in position. I had to pull out the engine and turn the flywheel with a vice grip to get it unstuck from TDC. I let it cool, and on tank 2 I thought it would start easier but it did not. It would barely pull over again. This time on the 3rd pull, the pull cord came out of the handle and sucked itself into the pullstarter. Out came the engine for a 2nd time. It took me 1 1/2 hours to rewind the pull starter and get it all back together. I was about to take the engine out and do break in with my buggy and starter box, but decided to give it one more try in the truck first. 3 hard pulls and it started again, and crawled around the driveway spitting fuel and smoke. It made a weird noise and shut off. When I walked over to it I noticed a small piece of metal shaving hanging out of the pipe. When I pulled the cord this time to start, it pulled easily like any other engine. The Metal must have been in the engine! I took the engine out the 3rd time and took it all apart to make sure no damage was done inside. Inside it looked perfect, so back in it went. Now the engine pulled over easy and fired right up. Tank 3 was easily started and drove around without incident.
Break in - .25=10, 8 port= 3.0

Tuning --- the .25 only needed a few tweaks to get up to top performance. With every 1/8 turn, the engine built more power until it reached maximum velocity. A few on murns on the LSN and it would wheelie around effortlessly on the grass. This was an easy engine to tune. After about 1 week I only had to make an 1/8 turn adjustment on the HSN and that's it. This engine also holds it's tune very well. It is a set if and forget it type engine. The 8 port had me slightly puzzeled because everytime I turned the HSN nothing happened. I was at about 2 turns in and nothing was getting better. I thought it was never going to lean out and I was about to pull the carb when I noticed the truck sped up a little at the bottom of the tank.(it still needed more leaning) Another 3/8 turns and this engine was now set. It was hitting top speed easily. I set the bottom end and off it was. It tuned just as easily as the .25 and also holds it's tune just as good. Another set it and forget it motor. I will not give it a lower rating because of all the turning on the HSN but everyone just know that even though it didn't act like it was getting better it was. I was getting scared of setting it too lean but it needed all that turning to get it there.(it was at a steady 220 degrees and running like a champ)
Tuning - .25=10, 8 port=10

Now for the performance test!!!!

Performance --- Both power tests are done in the same truck with a Novarossi pipe and a 16tooth clutch bell. The first pull of the trigger of the .25 will flip the truck over on it's lid, and it will reach major speed on the top end. The engine doesn't bog in tall grass and always keeps moving ahead. It will spin all 4 tires on pavement and dirt and just rocket down a front straight like nobody's business. You will also be able to beat your buddies 2.5 Maxx or Dominator easily in a drag race. Truth be known, the Savage does not need this much power but it handles it great and it sure is fun with it in there. The hyper 8 port runs about the same. It makes the same huge HP and is quick enough to scare other trucks back into the garage. This engine and bell combo pushed the truck by the radar at 46MPH in a very quick distance, this matched the speed of the .25 passed the radar, but the 8 por seemed to get there slightly faster. Although I'm sure with different people tuning them it could go either way, but my 8 port was slightly quicker. It also seemed to have power at all RPM's like the .25 but the 8 port also appeared snappier out of the turns or when hitting the throttle after letting off for a second. Overall I think they are close, even though I had a lttle more power in my 8 port. Again a different person may tune the .25 to be faster than the 8 port.
Performance - .25=9.9, 8 port=10

So which would I choose? At first I was going to recommend the .25 because drilling the holes is much easier than the nightmare I had with the 8 port break in, and since both were easy to tune and had similar performance it was the .25 on top. But after talking to the LHS owner about the 8 port and it's odd breakin, we broke another in on someone elses truck and we didin't have any problems like I did. We also didn't here from anyone else who had bought the 8 port engines about similar problems, so we decided it must have been just mine.(lucky me) So I decided I would recommend the 8 port, because of it's composite carb, nicer engine head, and the slight performance gain I had with it over the .25. Overall I would say if you can drill the holes in the .25 but are a noob and need the easiest engine to use, go with the .25. If you have some experience and are a serious hardcore racer who needs every little bit of extra power, get the 8 port. Both start on 1 or 2 pulls now, run through a complete tank without leaving a drop in the tank, and need no adjustments so far after the initial ones. They are both great engines. I personally stuck with the 8 port myself, but the WS7 isn't far off now!! Maybe this weekend I'll............

It's a long post but I hope it helps you all out when your deciding which engine to put in your Savage. Either way, those 2.5 guys better start thinking of an upgrade or you'll just run them down!!!! Thanks for reading!!

I just remember one more thing, the 8 ports carb is not as big so the Throttle return spring does not fit the way the stock one did. The .25 does fit it. GOT OFF OF http://www.savage21.net/article.php?story=20030107114155938
Not Mine!

[ntc3racer]

I think that's RCSavage's post.

[B!!!]

Originally posted by hvp014
so its a better engine? k whats so good bout it? sry again

Ah, I see you found the Hyper 8 port vs. Force 25 comparison. Good!

The reason these engines are better than the stock engine is because the stock engine puts out about 1.7 hp and 30,000 rpm. These engines put out between 2.3 - 2.5 hp and 38,000 rpm (if you believe the specs Ofna puts out). Either way, they are faster and more powerful.

Plus they are reletively cheap! You can get a Force 25 for about $110 and a Hyper 8 port for about $120 at Ultimate Hobbies. If you haven't touched your stock .21bb engine I've heard of people selling them on eBay for $100 and even more. Sounds like a pretty good deal to me!

[hvp014]

thats just what i was wondering.! thank u

[evaderbxbob]

hi guys,
my friend got a savage yesterday, and he ask me to come on here and ask, is there a replacement for the pull start to change it to cordless drill starting?

[B!!!]

Nope, not yet. I heard somewhere that HPI is supposedly working on an "alternate starting system" or something like that. I've been hoping Racers Edge (http://www.racers-edge.com/) will come out with something soon, but I haven't heard anything yet. There is a starting system that is supposed to work for the Savage at Native Racing (http://www.remotecontrolhobby.com/id2.html), but I don't know of anyone that has one of these so I don't know how well it works. Also, HPI Shop (http://www.hpi-shop.com/) has some kind of electric starting system, but it's all in German. Direct link here (https://ssl.kundenserver.de/s38925369.einsundeinsshop.de/sess/utn153e444b7cbf155/shopdata/0020_Monstertruck+SAVAGE21+=26amp=3B+Zubeh=F6r/0012_Specials/product_overview.shopscript).

[TEAMDUZE]

I agree with B. Native has a system but I do not know of anyone that uses it either on a Maxx or a Savage. I have heard of people on the board using it with a Maxx. If you go to their site they have something on there about the Savage.

When Racers Edge has one I will have them in my on-line store for sale. I got a bunch of stock in today that I need to get into the store. Unfortunately I am still waiting for a bunch of Savage parts that are on back order.

Thanks
Duze.

[evaderbxbob]

ok thank you

[zymotic]

http://www.hpisavageforum.com/photopost/data/501/606banner1.gif

[RushMan86]

Sweet, I just bid on a savage on E-bay and it seems like i'm going to win. Its 355 top bidder would be me on a savage21 with all stock parts barely broken in Red el camino body, stock body original box and warrantys and 3 extra sets of uprights! I am so excited! If I win at 5 tonight i will be a proud owner of my very own HPI SAVAGE21!! So I have some money to blow on it wats the first necassary item to buy. Oh and I already have a high torque servo so that problem is solved. And I already bought a 2-stage air filter and an in-line fuel filter! But what should i get first that you guys came into problems with or would just be a good thing right off the bat?

[ViperStrike]

Good luck RushMan!

[B!!!]

Page 28 has a list of things that might need to be done, like a tuned pipe, RX battery pack, silicon shock oil, dogbones...

Good luck!

[DaLoSiGuYWiTdAxXxNt]

I just ordered a hitec 5945 for my savage, anyone else have it? How you like it?

[newracer]

I have one it is awesome, get the Kimbrough #124 servo saver to go with it.

[sport coupe]

this is an awsome forum. i'm just waiting to get my new savage.

[sport coupe]

does anyone know where i can download some movies with the savage and t-maxx?

[RushMan86]

www.dirtyrc.com they have awesome savage videos...it basically made up my mind for buying the savage over T-maxx!

[Rcnit]

I've found the Kimbrough servo saver #124 is just not strong enough for racing. For just playing around it's great. I run an Airtronics 358/200oz servo and this combo while enough for a T-maxx is not enough for a Savage. The servo saver is just not stong enough to move the wheels enough at low speeds. Is there a stonger servo saver made by someone or some kind of hop up out there for the steering?

[newracer]

are you sure you got the #124? I have the Hitec 5945 and the #124 and it will snap my wheels left and right even while standing still.

[sport coupe]

thank you RUSHMAN

[Rcnit]

I'm sure, I went and bought another one(#124) just to make sure that the one I had was not messed up. It works fine on hard surfaces like the road but not a watered dirt racetrack. I'm not talking about real muddy just enough to give high traction. I'm going to put some bearings in the steering posts or what ever they are called. Right now the stock bushings are in there.

[B!!!]

Yes, definitely replace those plastic bushings with bearings (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?&I=LXD128)! My steering bound up really bad after only a few weeks until I put those bearings in there. By the way, 4 bearings are needed.

[DanzST]

Has anyone else seen on Ebay the ads for "information" on how to get a Savage wholesale for $80? This obviously is too good to be true. I figure it is some sort of a scam, just wanted to know if you had heard about it or knew of such a deal. I'm looking to sell off a bunch of stuff so I can get a Savage.

Dan

[B!!!]

It's a scam. Remember, if it seems too good to be true, it probably is!

[Rcnit]

I checked the bushings for binding and there was none but just the same I put four on order at the LHS just to make sure. Bearings are always better than bushings. Besides it's only like 10-12 bucks for a little insurance.

[wavejake]

Originally posted by DanzST
Has anyone else seen on Ebay the ads for "information" on how to get a Savage wholesale for $80? This obviously is too good to be true. I figure it is some sort of a scam, just wanted to know if you had heard about it or knew of such a deal. I'm looking to sell off a bunch of stuff so I can get a Savage.

Dan

Yup its a scam. You are paying for a link to www.movemeup.com

[RushMan86]

Hey everyone...Remember that bid I was so excited bout...Well some dude with 19 trucks and 4 savages decided to be a mean person and out bid me... I am bidding on another now but I am sure I will lose that one too. But if anyone is thinking about selling there savage, please contact me. I do not have alot of money to spend but I am in the process of selling my RTR3 and Nitro Rush. And if I do not get any bids on those 2 excellent cars feel free to make purchase offers or trade offers. The Nitro Rush is one of the best trucks I have ever had the privelage of owning and I would love to hand that over to one of you fine fellows(and gals). If interested give me a buzz...BadBoy4Life860@aol.com

[coolracer47]

I got pics of my savage

http://www.thercsite.freewebspace.com/custom4.html

http://www.thercsite.freewebspace.com/photo2.html

hope you like them.

[DanzST]

Thanks for the info. I can't believe people are paying money for that. Then again they don't know what they are getting. The is such a HUGE scam. I wonder why Ebay is letting sell that "info?" Thanks again, what a crock.

Dan

[rcnutt]

heres a pic of my new carbon fiber TVP

[rcnutt]

one more

[rcnutt]

close up

[dainjarouz]

hey rcnutt....what brand are those TVPs...and what brand/type of springs on those? details man details!! very nice truck!

[Rcnit]

Whats the weight difference between the two TVPs?

[rcnutt]

those TVPs are from vertigo performance but the bag said "balistic stupidity" on the label. clayton from vertigo had some TVP that he said were cosmetic "blems" and he would sell the at 60.00 shipped.well ,I have yet to find anything wrong with these plates except very a small scratch on each , only on one side.the weight of these plates is only slightly less than the stock alum. but I think they are alot stiffer .killer deal. the springs are from "works for competion" they are 6 lb as opposed to the 2 lb stockers and work very well.hobby ect. has them for 20.00 they heve other weights too.
this truck handles great, and with my hyper 8 on the way, the power problem is fixxed too. tmaxx's watch out

[rcnutt]

does anyone know what size bearings to get for the steering ? thanks, rcnutt

[B!!!]

Yep. These (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0001P?&I=LXD128) are the bearings you need. You need 4 bearings so order two sets.

[dainjarouz]

6 lb all the way around seems excessive...how does it handle? i bet its stiff as hell. Im lookin to get some 3.75 or 4 pounders.

[rcnutt]

they work very well, and I'm running 50 wt. on the inside and 60 on the outside shocks.no bounce just soaken 'em up.oh and no spacers, I'll see if I can get some track pics fri night.just in case anyone was looking for a place in the sacramento area. we have a great indoor off-road track near downtown. check it out @ www.rccraceway.com Here's a shot of my buddy's new truck at the track tonight.

[FenDer BenDers]

Hey,

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Want to replace those weak self tapping phillips head screws ?
Looking for that hard to find or broken fastener ??

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Want more info ?
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Thanks

[salito123]

I was interested in the pro kit, but whne i clicked on "add to cart"

and saw the 9.25 shipping, i had to laugh,


9.25 for shipping screws? riiiiiiiiiiiiiiight

[ViperStrike]

I was going to order the advanced kit but canceled when I say the $9.25 shipping

Thats way to high.

[FenDer BenDers]

You are right !!!

Man, still some bugs to work out.

You see I live in Canada and some of the prices are still in Canadian..

Thanks for pointing that out to me,

try the cart again in a few, I will fix it right away !!

FenDer BenDer

[FenDer BenDers]

SHOPPING CART IS FIXED !!!

Thanks again for the heads up, on my goof !!

FenDer benDer

[ViperStrike]

Much better, but you still have a goof.
if you try to by the advanced set it adds a pro set to the cart.

:D

[guswiththemugen]

Does anyone know a site that has vidoe footage of trucks racing? Ive looked everywhere and have found a heap of bashing but no on track racing. Thanks.

[trakhak]

Just finished breaking the new ride in! Man, what a great truck! I am very satisfied with my choice over the T Maxx! Now for some tech help, does anyone offer a quieter pipe, that composite pipe is LOUD. Will a CVEC pipe be a better choice? Also,are there any spurs or pinions available yet to gear this trk up a little? Thanks for the help!

[AFI/Misfits]

get a pipe deflector. i got one and its quiter now. i didnt really notice any performence. you should look in the plane section of your LHS(local hobby shop) they should have them there. hope this helps!

[trakhak]

Thanks AFI I will try the deflectors today, people in the hood are used to my NTC3 but they were all wondering what the savage was! Figured if I dont want any complaints I better quiet this monster down. My buddy who owns a t maxx was staring at it last night, then he said "How much you think my T will sell for on Ebay?" I know I made the right choice! This thing is fun!

[Remote]

Somewhere around page 26......(Gee there is alot of reading)...:) I read that HPI changed the air filter on the Savage. My Savage is due in Monday along with my Hyper 8 Port. Do you guys recomend a after market air filter or will the stock one work just fine. I will be running the 8 Port with a 16 Clutch bell and a RB pipe. Whats your take on the stock air filter?? Thanks for your time and help....