HPI Savage 21 forum v1.0

[Zr2]

Well what do you guys think of it?? I think its gonna have some pretty crazy suspension on it. Looks well built. Check out their web site for it! heres a link.... http://www.hpiracing.com/kits/savage.htm
-matt

[Zr2]

Here are some pics of the truck. If the pics dont work just right click on the image and click show picture or refreshing the page sometimes works.
Body on pic
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p925e19de9fec5ecb429e3adc83dbdf6a/fd6d9846.jpg
Body off pic
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p00c1f2c1e99e24370fa851f87d9a24a0/fd6d9809.jpg
Pic of 3 channel radio, The 3rd channel for forward and reverse is in pretty much the same place as the T-maxx's is.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/pdf64468c6d950fd370fa60b34e02cbf1/fd6d9271.jpg
Comparing size to a HPI Nitro MT
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p0c8c1ec77b97838373c9e77cf8438edb/fd6d981c.jpg
Front pic of Articulation
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/pdf64b370faba7aad5a809f1a1889909a/fd6d97fa.jpg
Showing Articulation from the side
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p9d88ce2338f2dcab9101df635eb33b75/fd6d966e.jpg
Pic from the front showing The bumper and Front Shocks
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/pea8563a92b247e67d8318dfc9253266d/fd6d95d7.jpg
Case that covers servos, recievers, and batteries for reciever.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p25988d54ef0d4d994100ed7401d9488c/fd6d9625.jpg
Inside view of 2-speed tranny
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p6bb3bb16f2d4137bd20d394e08f207c3/fd6d963d.jpg
Pic of .21BB engine
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid28/p09fef8aa022c4825bbf013417b616a68/fd6d9657.jpg
-matt

[OmegaTrac]

Hey,
This truck really looks sweet. Im really looking forward to the release in November :) I WILL OWN THIS MONSTER!

[NoPepsiForYou]

Just another T-Maxx...mabey HPI can do it better than the others:eek:

[endeavorc]

I think it is funny that everyone is naming it a T-Maxx clone. Just because the truck has dual shock does not make it a clone. If it was a clone, then where are the upper suspension arms, flat chassis, etc. T-Maxx is 1/10, this is 1/8. There is nothing to compare the two. It seems like anything that comes out is being classified a clone of the Maxx except for the Mad Force.

Just my .02

[RD Racing]

The Savage looks very nice. One thing about HPI...they seem to have done it right the first time unlike all the other that rushed out a Monster truck to compete with T Maxx.

They also had the oportunity to learn from all the after market T Maxx hopups. I mean this things has it all. 1/8 diffs, steel diff gears, they even made it compatible with Emaxx and T Maxx bodies and wheels/tires by design.

Looks like the Chicago show will hvae to heavy debuts this year. Look for theis and the ?Maxx to show up there.

Roy

[surfer]

i want one

[NitroRookie]

I think the Savage 21 could kick the New T-maxx's butt or give it some serious competion. If I had the money and really wanted a nitro R/C I would probably buy a Savage 21 over the New T-maxx. If I had to choose between this two Monster's. I can't Wait to see the Savage 21 in action in some vids.

[RC Jack]

My version of the Savage? Out with the .21, in with a .70!!

It's listed at Tower for $617!!

[NoPepsiForYou]

Would you need a conversion for that, lol:) :confused: :)

[RC Jack]

Like there would be a conversion for a .70! Like everything else, I'd make my own!!

[C0NTENDER]

Originally posted by RC Jack
My version of the Savage? Out with the .21, in with a .70!!

It's listed at Tower for $617!!

But everyone knows that Tower will always list the msrp before the product comes out. Once it's out, it will have a realistic price on it.

[M16-A2]

Originally posted by RC Jack
My version of the Savage? Out with the .21, in with a .70!!

It's listed at Tower for $617!!

Tower always inflates prices before a product is actually released. HPI has promised the price will be under $500 for the RTR, and Action R/C has the RTR for $430!!

[Matt Stepanian]

Here are some HPI pics

[nitrorulz]

Its a T-Maxx clone! I get so tired of these guys looking at any new truck, and the first thing that they say is, "its a T-Maxx clone" Do these guys think Traxxas invented the nitro monster truck. If everyone is copying the T-Maxx, then they for sure all copying Kyosho's USA NItro! It was the first big truck with a nitro motor, and Wow, get this, it had 8 shocks too! Man can any company come out with a truck now that isn't copying Traxxas. This truck is head and shoulders above a stock Maxx!

Yeah I have Two T-Maxx's, but I don't think every company out is copying Traxxas. HPI did what Traxxas wouldn't, a .21, 8 shock, 2 speed, 1/8th scale monster!

[RC Jack]

Now all we need for these 1/8 monsters are bodies that are scaled for a 1/8th truck!!! Some realistic looking Chevy and Dodge Ram truck bodies with wheelbases complimentary of an 1/8th scale MT!!!

[Coconut]

My experience with HPI is not to buy when they first come out with a new product;too many bad fitting parts. However they are the best at coming out with new bodies for their products. Smart of them to have the wheels and tires from T-maxx fit from what I've read. Oh yeah; they are faous also for coming out with hop-ups that can break you if you try to buy them all and don't evr come out with a fully hopped-up version. Too much money to be made in hop-ups. Have to wait for Associated truck as they usually come out with a team version that saves alot of money. If anyones owned a RS-4 nitro they'll know what I mean. You end-up with a sedan that's not competitive with say a Serpent and cost more.

[Clod_Killer]

If you want one, this is the cheapest you will ever find it. Limited time only.

Action R/C Savage Pre-Order (http://www.action-rc.com/HPI2.htm)

[R6905]

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[NoPepsiForYou]

Ok so the shocks are similar, takes the same wheels and bodys. Well then if thats ripping it off, every buggy and truck and car is a rip off of eachother. ohhh but it looks like the T-Maxx with a T-Maxx body on it....do I really have to say it. Would someone look at the chassis, nothing on it looks like the T-Maxx!

There are probably 200 parts in this truck and everybody is bitching about 3 things:rolleyes:

[R6905]

Im not saying the savage is bad, I LIKE IT MORE THAN ANYTHING ELSE, its the coolest looking mt, and i want it bad




Brandon

[Matt Stepanian]

Yep- must be a Maxx clone 'cause it's the same size and has the same color shock springs. Yep, yesiree. Also, it has the same size wheels that so many manufacturers make wheels and tires for- this means they're copying a Maxx. Even the a-arms look the sa..... hey, no they don't- the suspension's different! Whadaya know about that? And so's the chassis! I can't believe it- someone DIDN'T copy a Maxx! UNBELIEVABLE!!!!!!! (...sound of sarcasm in the air)
Way to go, HPI. Maybe I can get one when they're available. A 'racing T-Maxx' is what Traxxas is coming out with themselves very soon with a wider suspension and better engine. Not hop-ups, either- and it'll be the same price. Way to go, Traxxas! The T-Maxx is the truck people seem to love to hate, just like JR Ewing!

Matt

[RC Jack]

Just because it can take the same size wheels, shocks, tires, bodies, etc, doesn't make it a clone!! When the EK came out, there was nothing available for it, so if the T-maxx stuff fits, then I say, use it. Besides, the EK4 takes the same shocks, bodies,but, it's DEFINITIVELY NOT a clone. Don't forget, there are no 1/8th scale monster truck bodies..yet. Shocks, tires and the rest is just "window dressing".

[surfer]

i just want one

[R6905]

i didnt think when i wrote that, i havent still to this day looked at it with its body off sorry for the frustration guys



Brandon

[QUAKE&SHAKE]

Originally posted by RC Jack
Don't forget, there are no 1/8th scale monster truck bodies..yet.

Yes there is. Parma makes one:)
1/8 scale Ford F-150 like a 1992 body style. Has a 12.5"-13" wheelbase.

[NoPepsiForYou]

don't forget that they take T-Maxx bodies:rolleyes:

[RC Jack]

Q&S, yer right, but, I don't think it's listed as a 1/8th scale, even tho it fits a 1/8 better than a 1/10. But, it's only 1(!), the only 1 with a 1/8 compatible wb. BTW, but, I'd really prefer a realistic looking Dodge Ram, with a similar wheelbase. I did send Parma an email the other day, and according to them, they are gearing up for 1/8 monster truck bodies that actually fit 1/8 MT's. When they'll be available is anyone's guess.

I did take a chance on an HPI F-150. 11 13/16" wheekbase and nearly 9" wide. Looks more like a monster truck with that one than the Parma F-350, similar wb, that's 7" wide. But, that's my preference.

[nitrorush89]

hey whats better new t-maxx or this hpi truck

[R6905]

nitrorush89-nothing is better than the savage, the t-maxx is arguabley (spelling?) better than some trucks but not the savage




Brandon

[nitrorush89]

hey i have two t-maxx and a nitro rush and inclued the new\
hpi savage my friend donesn't think that its as fast but i dont think he knows about rc is it worth it.:confused:

[unknownpirate10]

i wish i had one!!

[SavageChris]

I know the Savage is bigger and badder.. but the T-Maxx has the ex-start (but i have to buy like 50 dollars worth of extra stuff just to be able to start it). I guess it breaks down to me like this..

T-Maxx: Newer motor makes it faster than before, new suspension makes it handle better, lots of parts to upgrade to.

Savage: .21 motor!!! RTR just like T-Maxx. but is pull start. no buying a 20 dollar battery pack and a 30 dollar charger, (pull starts aint that bad imo)

T-Maxx: 389(Truck) + 30(Charger) + 20(battery) + 20 (Gas) =

$469

Savage: 419(Truck) + 20 (gas)=

$439!

(Approx prices pplz, calm down! ;)

So the savage costs less and is bigger, but T-Maxx has more experience and more parts... uiggh tuff choice since im a poor mofo in high school.

Can anyone help me decide with out starting a flame war!!!

Savage looks badass to me though, but I dont wanna wait!! wahhhhhhh lol.

-=BTW the price for the Savage was in the latest edition of RC/Car action!!

[rhcsavage21]

you were like me. i could'ent wait ether. and i went and bought a ultima rb and the thing is good but i could of done better.
(plus it is also a piece of crap. LOL:D :D )
I WOULD WAIT!!!!
go for what is better. and of corce its the savage!!!
do things that will calm you down, like go bye the batteiers for it.
get some pics and info. its what is helping me until it comes out.
trust me don't go the wrought i did. the t-maxx is good but it has to many hop-ups (there is a differnce bettween going to far). another way of puting it is you'll waste all your money on those parts and when your maxx is broken you woun't have the money to get the replasment parts.
plus do you want to go for the big monster truck with the big engine and alot of tourk and more durable or the small t-maxx, plus there is a way to start with a elactric start, you justhave to look.
put it this way go for the savage21:D :D :D
the maxx sucks!!! LOL:p :p

[zombieslayer]

hey for all you gravedigger fans out there.
gravedigger (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p.pgm?Q=1&I=LXDEN7&P=7)
and its 1/8 scale.

scott

[Guido]

Hey look a broken Savage already! Looks like no fun.

http://pub121.ezboard.com/fmaxximumtraxxasfrm97.showMessage?topicID=35.topic

G.:(

[matt from uk]

anyone know whether the savage will pull big wheelies? or just good top end

[draggerman11]

The Savage will not pull a wheelie, but that isn't a bad thing. I am sure you could set up the suspension so it does, though.

It will hit about 35 MPH bone stock.

I ordered mine from Tower yesterday. Hopefully it will comes soon... :)

Kyle

[Kebv]

hey peeps.

all i can say is get the savage. I have one, and it is a pretty good truck.

take a look at www.jwhscott.pwp.blueyonder.co.uk or the vidz and reviews in HPI R/C Forum [Europe] > HPI Kits > Trucks > at www.hpi-europe.com.

Thanks,

Kebv (Jimi Nitro UK)

[gaus]

I have $$ now for a truck. I think I want the Savage. If I wait much longer those $$ will begin to shrink. Does anyone know when Tower or any other online store will be able to accept and ship an order, super-express style before I break down and buy a T-Maxx? What is the best alternative in the same price range. (ie: budget of $450, prefer kit vs. RTR). Suggestions? I gotta say, it is only from reading the controversy on these forums that I cringe every time I think of buying the T-Maxx, but it looks like a great truck. However, I really like HPI and want to own something like the Savage.

gaus

[aluminumcrusher]

Hey you savage-21 fans this thing looks sweet in all it's action's from start to stop from top to bottom it's climbing it's way to the top of the rc monster truck world. I just love the way hpi put's out more & more video's on their monster truck showing all of it's performance feature's on video. Man when this thing stops it dipps down (hat's off style) to the one who's in control of the radio, and lift's it's chest up boldly when a commamd is given, the toque & rpm & electronics working side by side to tackle any mountain in it's way, also with it's mountain climbing super swamper tire's this thing say's one thing on all it's video's=TO THE TOP OF THE WORLD!!! RC STYLE. By for now your friendly neighborhood aluminum crusher...ps keep up the good work hpi-racing. man rc-caraction should offer me a job!

[wrenchguy]

I have been looking at the Savage since I heard about it 2 months ago . From what I've seen I think it will be a great truck. The only quality issue I would have is the single suspension arm thing for such a big truck. Tower has it posted now for $ 419.99, I have a local dealer that will match that price and 1 in
Coeur d' Alene that will beat that price by ten bucks. It seems that the west coast shipping lockout is what is delaying final release still, but everybody I talk to seems to think it will be a couple of weeks at the most.

[racer13]

um... what about the fact you cant adjust the shock positions??? i was also looking at it and i agree the single suspension arms dont look tuff, the duel to me are better, i dont like the new savage

[aluminumcrusher]

Originally posted by racer13
um... what about the fact you cant adjust the shock positions??? i was also looking at it and i agree the single suspension arms dont look tuff, the duel to me are better, i dont like the new savage Hey racer 13 someone will come out with stronger after market ajustable A-arms & shock towers, alway's look at the bright side of things in life=they are called options my friend options. By for now your friendly neighborhood aluminum crusher. ps don't worry be happy!

[Frank McKinney]

Savages are in the warehouse now and will ship out soon. ;)

[NoPepsiForYou]

aww crap! I don't have enough money yet! I thought I woul!:mad:

[draggerman11]

Frank, eh? So, if we ordered from Tower, when should they start arriving on our door steps?

[K3RRY]

Originally posted by Frank McKinney
Savages are in the warehouse now and will ship out soon. ;)

Where are your warehouses located at? Im asking this because I live like 30min. from Irvine where HPI is. If your warehouses are in SoCal when do you think my LHS's will recieve them?

Thanks

[RCtinkerman]

The Savage looks cool, and the vidoes were exciting but.............IMO, since I have only had problems with HPI's not being as sturdy as the competition, think I'll wait for the AE truck.:rolleyes:

[racer13]

looks to me lik AE's truck is gonna be just the same trouble as the savage, to me the maxx has the design, and the support to back it up.. its the best MT ever made, no doubt about it.

[NoPepsiForYou]

I agree but, when they upgraded to there high performance engine the truck is now just to fast and people are breaking parts left and right from it.

with about $500 you could make that thing twice as good as any other MT out there but when it is just stock, it isn't very good.

[racer13]

accually.. with the upgraded motor they went ahead and put wider suspension so it wouldn't flip, and it would handle better. they also put a new starting system on it.

[ALJR]

after reading through the replies on the savage, i am wondering were some of you are getting your information? my understanding is the savage hasn't arrived yet in stores! i was in the market for another mt, i looked at the associated, hpi and traxxas.... i chose the savage for a couple of reasons over the others. first was:
it has a .21, no .15 engine will EVER compare to a .21... i have a .21 in my nmt and love it. the power from the .15 is like night and day.
the savage comes with metal gears. a definate plus
last (but there are more reasons), i just like the chassis design. it is going to be very strong and wil likely have a low CG. also, the chassis design looks like it will keep the weight down..

so with the above being said. i could have gone with the associated bft. but there was one big reason that turned me away from it. the position of the engine and how it transfers its power to the drive train... looks to me like it may be a weak point. it also has reverse.. its a nice to have, but i don't want it, there for i don't want to pay for it :)

im sure the savage will have its flaws, just as any rc car/truck does. but i have always like hpi cars/trucks. there decent priced and the durability and parts availability are tops..

but i would like to ask a couple of you guys who posted on here a couple of questions..

draggerman11 - have you actually tested the savage? is that how you know it won't wheelie? i was under the impression it would if the tires had enough traction. or is the suspension just set-up bad for this? i agree with ya that wheelies aren't a good thing, but i would like to know if the .21 engine hpi is using has any power?? and if it wheelied AND had a decent top speed then it must..

RCtinkerman - do you really think that hpi products arn't that durable?? ya, they have faults just like any other car/truck. but IMO there better than most.. even the almighty associated rc10gt has a few major faults... think it might come down to user error and how the user is useing there car, bashing vs racing:)

also, some one commented on the savage not having an upper A-arm.... have you seen the size of the lower A-arm?? those things are beeeeefy. i wouldn't be so worried about the a-arm breaking as i am about the c-hub cracking! (can you say aluminum aftermarket part :) )....... i know the other guys are using pivot ball type suspension, but this design also has its problems as well... the point at which the ball secures to the a-arm is usually a weak point because its only making one contact point with the a-arm. where as the c-hub style makes two contact points with the hinge pin...

these are just some observations i have made from looking at the pics. who knows what either car will really be like because neither is available yet.... i have seen the new maxx run and the thing is sweet. so all i can say is if either truck is even slightly better than the maxx, the savage and bft are going to be tuff to beat :)

[MaxxThrasher]

Check out the HPI Europe forum. Those guys have had their trucks for about 3 weeks now. If you search hard enough you'll find that a good handful of customers have the Savage in their hands and have been very informative for those of use who still wait.

[alvin1]

I must say I agree with many of the points that you have mentioned here in your post,i have never owned an hpi product but i have heard that they are reasonably good and to be honest I was going to get an ek4 until I heard about the many,many faults that the first version had ,so much so that i am now considering an hpi savage,your post has removed some of the doubts I had about buying one:D

[wrenchguy]

Hold on a minute, there may be a million upgrades for the Maxx , but stock as a rock it's not that hot. I for one don't want to spend 3-4 hundred bucks extra to upgrade it to a .21 engine. The only option I would buy for the Savage to start would be the reverse module, it's a shame they don't include it. As far as Associated's truck goes, too big, too heavy. It can hardly get out of it;s own way, the weight/pwer ratio is all screwed up. I would'nt mind seeing one up close to make my final decision, but so far that's what I think about it. My dollars are still headed for the Savage. By the way , Frank McKinney is the webmaster for HPI, 4 or 5 replies up.
No hard feelings I hope, Wrenchguy

[Troy Lyman]

There are some really good reasons why we didn't include the reverse in the truck. To include the reverse means you have to up the price of the truck, after all it is more expensive to produce than the forward only. Now, we found that about 80% of the people who own monster trucks that come with reverse remove this option. Ergo, why would we put a module in the kit that would up the price of the kit then release the forward only option thus making you spend even more for what we are now releasing at a lower cost? :)

This means that it would have cost you more to get a Savage with the reverse already in the kit then put a forward only in it than it would to get the Savage with the forward only in it and add adding the reverse module if you so desire reverse.

[wrenchguy]

THANKS FOR INPUT TROY, NOW IF WE COULD JUST SEE SOME OF THEM THERE UNITS IN OUR LOCAL HOBBY SHOPS NOW WE COULD ALL BE HAPPY TIL WE SMASH OUR sAVAGE INTO A WALL OR SOMETHING. PLEASE KEEP US POSTED AS TO WHEN WE WILL SEE THEM. aND COULD YOU TELL US ALL PLEASE HOW THEY HAVE THEM ALREADY OVERSEAS? THANKS

[NitroRookie]

I read somewhere that the Savage21 will probably by hits our store shelves on November 15th.

[Troy Lyman]

We have to do final packaging here in the US before they ship to Distributors. Time to your local hobby shop should be sometime late this month...mid November at the earliest. Remember, they have to go from us to distributors to hobby shops.

As for the UK, they didn't have their dock workers go on strike for 2 weeks, that was our delay. We were expecting to release them right around the same time but we didn't want to hold up their sales because of problems with US dock workers.

Lastly, and I know Wrenchguy had this in an e-mail to me (please do post questions here) but the reverse module does not yet have a release date or price as of this time. I do know, as do you from the videos, that they are testing it and it is close to release. We wanted to release it at the same time as the truck but just couldn't do it.

[ALJR]

my understanding is, the hold-up is caused by the dock workers strike out in cali !!

alvin1 - i hate to say hpi products are the most duradle. i havn't owned any other manufacturers cars for an extendid amount of time. so it wouldn't be honest to make that claim (hpi is the most durable).... the only true experiance i have with r/c cars/truck is what i personally run and what my group runs. just to give you a lil idea of what manufacturers im around: hpi, associated, traxxas.... and to be compleatly honest, all have little quirks or falts with there cars... but hpi parts are cheap and redilly available at most LHS's. not to mention the aftermarket parts manufacturers for hpi cars are endless.....

and most important, and i can say this with out any doubt, HPI CUSTOMER SERVICE IS THE ABSOLUTE BEST... hands down, they take care of there customers...

[draggerman11]

ALJR, me saying that it won't wheelie was according to a post by the HPI Staff on the now dead US Forum.

[ALJR]

Originally posted by draggerman11
ALJR, me saying that it won't wheelie was according to a post by the HPI Staff on the now dead US Forum.

thanks for the info.. would rather it not any ways, makes it hard to steer when the front tires are off the ground :)

[K.B.]

Originally posted by ALJR
thanks for the info.. would rather it not any ways, makes it hard to steer when the front tires are off the ground :)

exactly...I just think if a MT wheelies its just a bad design and isnt stable. When you watch the savage videos you can see the rear squat down low and the front lifts up but it doesnt lift high enough to make it wheelie. That tells me that the engine is strong and the design and weight ratio is just right.

[newracer]

I sold my E-maxx, so I've got my Savage money in my pocket!!!:D But I am going to wait for the kit version!! I am pretty sure there will be one, I downloaded the manual from HPI's site and the last half of the manual is kit building instructions!!:eek:

[wrenchguy]

I'm like you man, I'd like to put mine together, but I;m not willing to wait for it. I've been waiting long enough just playing with my RS4 MT electric, pretty boring compared to the Savage. I'm sure with all the hop up's that HPI will offer I will get my chance to tear it apart quite often, as long as my wife does'nt see the credit card statement. All for now, your fellow R/C lunatic.

[Troy Lyman]

There are no plans yet to release a kit version to my knowledge. The reason we included those directions in the back of the manual is two-fold. One, it does give us the option of releasing a kit version later and not having to produce a second manual. Makes things much less costly. Second, our RTR customers have told us that they really appreciate the full breakdown instructions when it comes time to repair or maintain their cars. This way they can see exactly how things are supposed to go together far better than from the exploded parts view.

[Skribble]

it has a .21, no .15 engine will EVER compare to a .21... i have a .21 in my nmt and love it. the power from the .15 is like night and day.2.5 comes pretty close to Sport .21s, but high-end .21s will blow the 2.5 away. How much money you put in your NMT to handle the .21? Also, what .21 is it?

RCtinkerman - do you really think that hpi products arn't that durable?? ya, they have faults just like any other car/truck. but IMO there better than most.. even the almighty associated rc10gt has a few major faults... Eheh .. NMT and Rush. People spent $1,000+ on a RS4 to get it competitive. :rolleyes: What major faults did the RC10GT have?

and most important, and i can say this with out any doubt, HPI CUSTOMER SERVICE IS THE ABSOLUTE BEST... hands down, they take care of there customers...I'd have to say Traxxas on that one ..

[newracer]

Originally posted by Troy Lyman
There are no plans yet to release a kit version to my knowledge. The reason we included those directions in the back of the manual is two-fold. One, it does give us the option of releasing a kit version later and not having to produce a second manual. Makes things much less costly. Second, our RTR customers have told us that they really appreciate the full breakdown instructions when it comes time to repair or maintain their cars. This way they can see exactly how things are supposed to go together far better than from the exploded parts view.

Maybe I won't wait then!!! But I really don't need the radio equipment. I already have my digital servos too!!!

[ALJR]

Skribble - im not going to get into a pissing contest with ya. i was mearly stating my opinoin and experiances... but i will take this time to answer your question in the previous post, in hopes to put and end to this....

"2.5 comes pretty close to Sport .21s, but high-end .21s will blow the 2.5 away. How much money you put in your NMT to handle the .21? Also, what .21 is it? "

none come close in torque!. i paid $109 for my hyper .21 (1.9 hp). your gonna spens double that to even come close.. the only thing i did to strengthin the drive train was: rs4 3 spider gears and a chassis brace. a total of $30 in extra parts. and $60 for the Wolfpack conversion kit. the nmt diff gears handle the power just fine, but you have to shim them exact. i get about 1 gallon of use before they start to click..

"Eheh .. NMT and Rush. People spent $1,000+ on a RS4 to get it competitive. What major faults did the RC10GT have? "

nmt people spend $1000+ on it to be competitive??? to be competitive against what?? the compition against the nmt (which is a 1/10 4x4 stadium truck) is almost non-existant!! and the rush is an entry level nitro toy. any one who buys one in the hopes of winning races has been seriously miss-led...... as far as the rc10gt goes. the rear shock tower is crap. it should have some braces in it like the nmt's and the front kick-up braces (or what ever you want to call them) don't do any good. the strip-out and the chassis gets tweeked. even with the aluminum braces the chassis will tweek if nose dived..

"I'd have to say Traxxas on that one .."

you can say what ever you want, but it dosn't make it so :) like i stated in an earlier post, i base my opinions on what I and the guys i race with experiance.

[pegasus]

Why aren't kit version being offered? Isn't it cheaper to not have to assemble them?

I've been away from the RC hobby for quite a while (about 10 years) and am amazed at this RTR phenomenum!

[Skribble]

For the $1,000 statement, I meant Nitro RS4 1/2/3.

none come close in torque!.I prefer Power to Weight ratio .. But I'll have to agree with you on that one, .21 have more torque then any .15.

[wrenchguy]

Originally posted by newracer
Maybe I won't wait then!!! But I really don't need the radio equipment. I already have my digital servos too!!! I don't blame you on not wanting to buy the radio and all, I think it must be some kind of corporate thing. It;s the same way with TMAXX too, it must be a way to push a certain radio system. Maybe they all have radio companies as corporate partners, some kind of kickback deal for using their radios exclusively or something like that. Besides, if they took the radio out of the kit they would'nt make as much money, also there are probably more folk such as myself that would like the 3 channel radio. I personnaly like having a radio for every different car/truck.

See ya, Wanna be Savage owner

[ALJR]

Skribble - i understand you made a mistake when you were refering to the $1000 in options to be competative. yes, rs4 cars do need a bit to get them up to par with the big boys. not nessasarly a thousand dollars worth, but at least a few hundred dollars..... i race the type ss on a regular basis against a large range of tc's and do fairly well.... there are so many variables in racing tc's and i don't this this savage post is the place to get into them :)

you also mentioned power to weight ratio... i love the new tmaxx. two of my close friends have them. i never really followed the max till now. but from what i have read and heard, the new maxx engine puts out 60% more power over the old .15. and i heard or read some where that the old .15 had around .62hp give or take a bit... so 60% more of .62 would be .372 more hp, for a total of .992hp. which if very decent for a rtr .15 engine, but still way off when compared to even the wimpiest of .21 engines. i think the lowest .21 i have seen is some where around 1.6hp...

if some one would give me accurate numbers on the savage, bft and new maxx, i would be better able to give an accurate power to weight ratio......

[robc]

I know this is a Savage thread but the .6 hp of the TRX Pro never came from Traxxas. Traxxas doesn't publish their engines hp because most engine mfg's inflate theirs anyway. You say you have seen the new Maxx run- if your friends have theirs tuned properly then you know the engine smokes. Yes .21's have the low end torque but the 2.5 has gobs of power through out the power band. It is beating .21 maxxes at racetracks around the country, in many cases with stock parts. I own a Monster Pirate w/Hyper.21 8-port AND the new Maxx so I feel I can make comparisons. If you beat a Tmaxx stuff is going to break, plastic parts are cheap and relatively light and strong. If you beat a Savage it will break too so choose your fav. brand and go with it. I will second scribbles nomination of Traxxas for customer service, nobody else comes close.

[wrenchguy]

Hopefully our friend Troy at HPI can fill us in on HPI's customer service . I'd like to know if they can keep up with the demand for broken parts and hot upgrades once we start running these things. Heck, I'm still waiting to be able to buy one of these things.
TTFN

[alvin1]

well folks i've just ordered my savage,the hobby shop says it will be with me on monday morning..................cant wait!:D

[wrenchguy]

If it were'nt for our west coast dock workers we would have ours over here also. We supposedly won't see ours until mid to late November. All of the shops I deal with have some on order, so I will hopefully see mine shortly after. Don't get too carried away like that one guy, I saw pics of his smashed Savage on a different site. Be careful.

[rs4-3]

YOU SAID IT i would have my savage by now, but say thank you dock workers

[Troy Lyman]

We should be ready. In addition to the 6 months of testing our R&D staff did on this truck, Customer Serivce has had 2 trucks to beat around as well. We know these trucks pretty well now and have ordered pleanty of spare parts. I don't know what hobby shops have ordered however and that will be the real deciding factor. As with any brand new kit, expect some parts to be hard to find at first until hobby shops and distributors get a handle on what parts they need more than others but I don't think that it will be too difficult to find parts for this truck once it is released.

As for option parts, they are coming very soon. We haven't released any info yet but I know I've seen a number of option parts going through testing already. Plus, it seems every aftermarket company tries to make parts for our cars and you can expect to see many different option parts from aftermarket companies soon after the truck is released.

[wrenchguy]

I can hardly wait, I'll be like a kid in a candy store.

[aluminumcrusher]

Originally posted by Troy Lyman
We should be ready. In addition to the 6 months of testing our R&D staff did on this truck, Customer Serivce has had 2 trucks to beat around as well. We know these trucks pretty well now and have ordered pleanty of spare parts. I don't know what hobby shops have ordered however and that will be the real deciding factor. As with any brand new kit, expect some parts to be hard to find at first until hobby shops and distributors get a handle on what parts they need more than others but I don't think that it will be too difficult to find parts for this truck once it is released.

As for option parts, they are coming very soon. We haven't released any info yet but I know I've seen a number of option parts going through testing already. Plus, it seems every aftermarket company tries to make parts for our cars and you can expect to see many different option parts from aftermarket companies soon after the truck is released. DOE'S THE TRUCK COME WITH THE VIDEO?=SAVAGE-21 AT BOOT CAMP!!!

[alvin1]

Originally posted by wrenchguy
I can hardly wait, I'll be like a kid in a candy store. you don't know how right you are!I've just received my savage and my god is it big!i've never seen a 1/8 scale that is so big.my thunder tiger mirage rallycross car is absolutely tiny in comparison with this,I'll let you know what the performance is like when i eventualy get it up and running{which may be a while!**. I have a question though,the model shop supplied me with a ko ps-712fet servo that they recomended for steering duties,however ,it is only rated at 4.4 kilo's torque and i thought that maybe this wasn't enough for steering this thing.what do you guys think,any input would be apreciated thanks.oh and the price for this servo is £49

[aluminumcrusher]

Originally posted by alvin1
you don't know how right you are!I've just received my savage and my god is it big!i've never seen a 1/8 scale that is so big.my thunder tiger mirage rallycross car is absolutely tiny in comparison with this,I'll let you know what the performance is like when i eventualy get it up and running{which may be a while!**. I have a question though,the model shop supplied me with a ko ps-712fet servo that they recomended for steering duties,however ,it is only rated at 4.4 kilo's torque and i thought that maybe this wasn't enough for steering this thing.what do you guys think,any input would be apreciated thanks.oh and the price for this servo is £49 I MYSELF SAY TRY THE HITEC SERVO'S LIKE THE 945 OR 5945 LOT'S OF TORQUE & SPEED. BUT ONLY IF YOU ARE NOT HAPPY WITH THE STOCK STEERING SERVO;THEN CHECK WITH HITEC THEY WILL HOOK YOU UP WITH THE CORRECT SERVO AT A GREAT LOW PRICE. MY FG-1/5 SCALE HAS THEM AND MY OFNA CAR & TRUCK HAS THEM FOR STEERING AS TONY THE TIGER SAY'S; THERE GREAT! BY FOR NOW YOUR FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD ALUMINUM CRUSHER!

[wrenchguy]

I have a question though,the model shop supplied me with a ko ps-712fet servo that they recomended for steering duties,however ,it is only rated at 4.4 kilo's torque and i thought that maybe this wasn't enough for steering this thing.what do you guys think,any input would be apreciated thanks.oh and the price for this servo is £49 [/B][/QUOTE]

Does'nt the servo supplied with the kit work good enough? I was under the impression it had enough torque, unless UK dealers are shorting you guys over there. I have'nt talked to my local hobby shop yet today, but I sure hope we are not far off from getting ours over here.

TTFN, Wrenchguy

[DaFF]

The Euro Savage doesn't come with any electronic (this guy is from UK...)

The US Savage are true RTR with everything you need, including high torque servo for steering.

Hope this help :D

DFF

[wrenchguy]

So how much are you guys in the UK paying for the Savage w/o any radio equipment, in US dollars please, I'm not smart enough to figure out any currency conversion? We will be getting the whole thing with radio and all for about $ 420 US bucks.

TTFN , Wrenchguy

[alvin1]

you are correct that the uk savage does not come with radio,yet. apparently it will be available with radio at a later date,which is unfortunate for me as i would have liked to have bought it with the radio that comes with it[a must if you want the optional reverse module] the uk price is £380 without radio and according to the currency converter thats $604!

[ALJR]

isn't the euro dollar almost 1:1 with the usa dollar? does the uk use the euro? or do they still use monopoly money like canada :)

[J shizzy wizzy]

I KNOW KNOW FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE THAT THE SAVAGE .21 HAS FAILED ON THE TESTING GROUNDS.....HPI GAVE AWAY SEVERAL PRODUCTION MODELS TO PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY FOR TESTING PURPOSES. ABOUT A WEEK AGO ALL SAVAGES RETURNED WITH THE SAME 5 PROBLEMS. ONE OF WHICH IS THE A-ARMS HAVE BEEN SNAPPING UNDER LOW LOADS, AND OTHER PROBLEMS ARE WITH LOOSE SCREWS AND COMPONENTS PULLING APART.....NOW I LOVE HPI, THEY MAKE EXCELLENT PRODUCTS, BUT THE REASON I'M SAYING THIS IS IT MIGHT AFFECT THE RELEASE DATE....... OH AND ALL THE PROBLEMS ARE BEING FIXED, EVERY AVALIBLE HAND IS UNPACKING AND REPLACEING ALL DEFFECTIVE PARTS.

:confused:

[J shizzy wizzy]

I KNOW KNOW FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE THAT THE SAVAGE .21 HAS FAILED ON THE TESTING GROUNDS.....HPI GAVE AWAY SEVERAL PRODUCTION MODELS TO PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY FOR TESTING PURPOSES. ABOUT A WEEK AGO ALL SAVAGES RETURNED WITH THE SAME 5 PROBLEMS. ONE OF WHICH IS THE A-ARMS HAVE BEEN SNAPPING UNDER LOW LOADS, AND OTHER PROBLEMS ARE WITH LOOSE SCREWS AND COMPONENTS PULLING APART.....NOW I LOVE HPI, THEY MAKE EXCELLENT PRODUCTS, BUT THE REASON I'M SAYING THIS IS IT MIGHT AFFECT THE RELEASE DATE....... OH AND ALL THE PROBLEMS ARE BEING FIXED, EVERY AVALIBLE HAND IS UNPACKING AND REPLACEING ALL DEFFECTIVE PARTS.

:confused:

[wrenchguy]

Maybe we can get Troy Lymann to respond to that issue of weak parts to see if it is true or not. Hopefully he won't steer us wrong. I've never had any serious problems with my HPI products and hope to have the same such luck with the Savage.

TTFN, Wrenchguy

[ALJR]

lol... sounds like hear-say to me... maybe he works for associated:)

[aluminumcrusher]

Originally posted by ALJR
lol... sounds like hear-say to me... maybe he works for associated:) Yes it doe's sound like a lot of he say she say CRAP. WHY DID HPI STAFF KEEP THE TRUCKS SO LONG OF A TIME?(because the trucks are tuff & the staff had lot's of freaking fun!) AND NOW A LOT OF HE SAY SHE SAY CRAP POP'S UP JUST AFTER WORD GOT OUT THAT THE TRUCKS ARE IN THE WAREHOUSE!(sizzy jizzy or what ever his name is?) HIS SUBJECT SMELLS PRETTY FISHEEEEE!!! MAYBE IT IS SOMEONE FROM ANOTHER COMPANY;(and we know who that is) AND HE OR SHE HAS BEEN HIRED TO STOP HPI- INCOMMING CHRISTMAS MONEY??? BY FOR NOW YOUR FRIENDLY NEIGHBORHOOD ALUMINUM CRUSHER.

[Troy Lyman]

Originally posted by J shizzy wizzy
I KNOW KNOW FROM A RELIABLE SOURCE THAT THE SAVAGE .21 HAS FAILED ON THE TESTING GROUNDS.....HPI GAVE AWAY SEVERAL PRODUCTION MODELS TO PEOPLE IN THE INDUSTRY FOR TESTING PURPOSES. ABOUT A WEEK AGO ALL SAVAGES RETURNED WITH THE SAME 5 PROBLEMS. ONE OF WHICH IS THE A-ARMS HAVE BEEN SNAPPING UNDER LOW LOADS, AND OTHER PROBLEMS ARE WITH LOOSE SCREWS AND COMPONENTS PULLING APART.....NOW I LOVE HPI, THEY MAKE EXCELLENT PRODUCTS, BUT THE REASON I'M SAYING THIS IS IT MIGHT AFFECT THE RELEASE DATE....... OH AND ALL THE PROBLEMS ARE BEING FIXED, EVERY AVALIBLE HAND IS UNPACKING AND REPLACEING ALL DEFFECTIVE PARTS.

:confused:

I have yet to see ONE returned Savage from any of our distributors. Second, of all the parts we have heard of breaking from Europe, never has someone mentioned the A-Arms as beeing a problem. Any broken parts we have seen have never been the result of "low load" impacts. So far, after about a gallon of fuel through my truck and another half gallon through 20 other trucks, we have seen one broken hubcarrier (broke after a one wheel landing off a 12" jump with the truck reved out in 2nd gear.) and 2 broken upgrights (both of which broke when a rear tire clipped a solid object at a high speed. one was a parked car tire and the other was a 4" steel post). Now, for me, when an impact like that occures I assume something will break. Other than that, this truck has been very reliable and durable.

As for loose screws, yes we have had some issues with that and yes, we have our staff working on it. Whenever you release a new kit, these problems happen in production. However, any issues that this problem caused will be addressed before the kits ever reach distributors, much less store shelves.

Lastly, I have heard nothing on parts "pulling apart".

To say, however, that the Savage has "failed" on the testing grounds is a gross overstatement. If so, then the new "proven" Maxx has failed too considering I've heard of the truck blowing off 3-4 shock caps at a time from just coming off a jump (isn't the truck supposed to jump). Nothing against Traxxas though, this too is a production line problem (people not knowing much about R/C cars assembling a kit and putting too much shock oil in the shock, improper bleeding, etc) and I'm sure they are doing things to fix it in future runs of the kit as well.

[wrenchguy]

I knew HPI would come through for us, now if only I could buy a Savage kit myself. Oh well, good things come to those who wait. Hope we all don't have to wait too long, I'm kind of parched, for a nitro burning Savage that is.

TTFN, Wrenchguy

[J shizzy wizzy]

WELL THEN, I GUESS I HEARD WRONG, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION... AND FOR THE RECORD I DID NOT INTEND TO BASH HPI IN ANYWAY, I SIMPLY "HEARD" THIS FROM A FRIEND WHO TOLD ME WRONG.

I'LL BE SURE NOT TO SAY ANYTHING AGAIN UNTIL I HAVE ALL MY FACTS STRAIGHT.

AND I DON'T WORK FOR ANY COMPANY!?

[wrenchguy]

What are you , some kind of welfare freeloader ,or you just don't work for any "RC" company? Anyways, glad to hear you are not out to spoil my future fun.

TTFN, Wrenchguy

[NoPepsiForYou]

your from Duratrax and your just sad cause all of your Monster Trucks stink;)

[ALJR]

Originally posted by J shizzy wizzy
WELL THEN, I GUESS I HEARD WRONG, THANK YOU FOR THE CLARIFICATION... AND FOR THE RECORD I DID NOT INTEND TO BASH HPI IN ANYWAY, I SIMPLY "HEARD" THIS FROM A FRIEND WHO TOLD ME WRONG.

I'LL BE SURE NOT TO SAY ANYTHING AGAIN UNTIL I HAVE ALL MY FACTS STRAIGHT.

AND I DON'T WORK FOR ANY COMPANY!?

i was only joking when i said you worked for another rc manufacturer :)

but by all means, please feel free to post any thing you hear.... look at it this way, if you didn't then Troy wouldn't have piped up :)

this is the whole reason why these forums exist. to share all our rc knoledge <sp> with each other and to get the "low-down" on new products:cool:

[NoPepsiForYou]

I don't think this has been posted yet (sorry if im wrong) but when will the reverse thingy be avalible?

[aluminumcrusher]

Originally posted by ALJR
i was only joking when i said you worked for another rc manufacturer :)

but by all means, please feel free to post any thing you hear.... look at it this way, if you didn't then Troy wouldn't have piped up :)

this is the whole reason why these forums exist. to share all our rc knoledge <sp> with each other and to get the "low-down" on new products:cool: AMEN BROTHER PREACH ON FOR WE NEED TO HERE THE GOOD WORD ON NEW PRODUCTS!!! AMEN!

[wrenchguy]

Troy Lymann posted something about the reverse module last week and he said it is in development still but as with all the other option parts would be available soon. ....Not soon enough as far as I am concernd, I want and I want it now!!! Oh me, oh my, I guess I still need my morning coffee. Dont mind me, I'm just a bit anxious.
TTFN , Wrenchguy

[aluminumcrusher]

Originally posted by wrenchguy
Troy Lymann posted something about the reverse module last week and he said it is in development still but as with all the other option parts would be available soon. ....Not soon enough as far as I am concernd, I want and I want it now!!! Oh me, oh my, I guess I still need my morning coffee. Dont mind me, I'm just a bit anxious.
TTFN , Wrenchguy DON'T DRINK THE MILK IT'S SPOILED...REMEMBER THAT OLD SAYING? WELL DON'T BUY THE REVERSE IT WILL SLOW THE TRUCK DOWN...BUT BUY IT IF YOU WANT TO.

[Troy Lyman]

I'm not sure if that is true or not. I know this is true with the Maxx, but it doesn't have the torque of a .21 either. I'll see what I can find out about this. I do know that the reverse module is very reliable when shifting from forward to reverse and back again.

[J shizzy wizzy]

WHEN I BOUGHT MY FIRST T-MAXX I REALIZED I NEEDED ALLOY SKID PLATES AFTER THE FIRST DAY, THEN ALLOY SHOCKS, THEN ALLOY CONTROL ARMS...........SO, FOR THE SAVAGE .21, WHAT WOULD YOU RECCOMEND ME TO BUY FOR MY FIRST HOP-UP?......I REALIZE ALL CARS HAVE THEIR WEAK POINTS, SO I WANT TO PUT MY MONEY WHERE IT COUNTS....SO WHATS THE FIRST THING I SHOULD BEEF UP?.....
:confused:

[Kebv]

motorsaver airfilter
fuel filter
loctite (thread lock)

the only part i have broken so far has the spare built in.
i just swapped the two rear hub-carriers over and it was fixed.

[DaFF]

Quote:

SO WHATS THE FIRST THING I SHOULD BEEF UP?.....

Your manner by losing the caps :D

DFF

[newracer]

Originally posted by J shizzy wizzy
WHEN I BOUGHT MY FIRST T-MAXX I REALIZED I NEEDED ALLOY SKID PLATES AFTER THE FIRST DAY, THEN ALLOY SHOCKS, THEN ALLOY CONTROL ARMS...........SO, FOR THE SAVAGE .21, WHAT WOULD YOU RECCOMEND ME TO BUY FOR MY FIRST HOP-UP?......I REALIZE ALL CARS HAVE THEIR WEAK POINTS, SO I WANT TO PUT MY MONEY WHERE IT COUNTS....SO WHATS THE FIRST THING I SHOULD BEEF UP?.....
:confused:

well since the truck is brand new and not even released in the US yet, there isn't mich to hop up yet. Like posted above a better air filter and fuel filter would be good items

[aluminumcrusher]

Originally posted by J shizzy wizzy
WHEN I BOUGHT MY FIRST T-MAXX I REALIZED I NEEDED ALLOY SKID PLATES AFTER THE FIRST DAY, THEN ALLOY SHOCKS, THEN ALLOY CONTROL ARMS...........SO, FOR THE SAVAGE .21, WHAT WOULD YOU RECCOMEND ME TO BUY FOR MY FIRST HOP-UP?......I REALIZE ALL CARS HAVE THEIR WEAK POINTS, SO I WANT TO PUT MY MONEY WHERE IT COUNTS....SO WHATS THE FIRST THING I SHOULD BEEF UP?.....
:confused: the first thing you should beef up is your bank account; meanwhile break the truck in, go show it off, play with it for a little while, THEN GO OUT AND DOG THE HELL OUT OF IT!!! by then you will know what parts to beef up and you will have the money saved up to purchase them. BY FOR NOW ALUMINUM CRUSHER...

[fastharry]

if you get hop ups for this truck,it will be for fun....we drove ths truck for well over 25 tanks.....and I'm happy to say,the trans was fine..the shocks didn't snap,NOTHING came apart...

I took the truck and ran it REPEATEDLY up a grass hill,about 35 ft high(surrounding a parking lot) that was about a 45 degree angle...the savage actuall had enough power and gathered enough speed to shift into second....and the engine stayed at 230 degrees....

[Troy Lyman]

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat????

Does this mean it gets the offical "Crazy Harry" Seal of Approval?

;)

[aluminumcrusher]

Originally posted by Troy Lyman
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat????

Does this mean it gets the offical "Crazy Harry" Seal of Approval?

;) Hey troyeee who is this fast harry and how did he get his hands on a savage-21? I tell you i'm the guy you should give the chance to really test the truck, come on man please oh please oh please ok man i'll do what ever you want, ok man i'll even move back home, just let me get a free savage-21 oh and please don't beat me so; that's the reason i left in the first place! and then I became the MASK ALUMINUM CRUSHER just to get even with you at rc monster truck tracks through out the world! I see now my plans for revenge will not work; for you have the upper hand with the savage-21....CURSES

[wrenchguy]

I'm still waiting for mine, did fastharry go buy himself a UK model or what ? Hey Troy, I'll send a money order directly to you so I can get mine, we don't want to wait any longer. ....So whats the status of being shipped out to distributors?
TTFN, Wrenchguy

[Nitro Fool]

The word is that HPI has started shipping to distributors on the East Coast. My LHS's distributor is in Reno, NV. Can you tell me when they will be shipped to distributors in the West?

[newracer]

they ship to the east coast first then the west so all the shops will get them at the same time

[Nitro Fool]

Originally posted by newracer
they ship to the east coast first then the west so all the shops will get them at the same time

I understand that. I'd still like to know when they'll hit the Reno distributor coz I know how long it takes to get from the distributor to my LHS. My LHS is not taking pre-orders so it's first come first served.

[newracer]

probably about 2 days after they ship to the east

[cbr74]

My distributor in Utah tells me they are due in tomorrow. Well.. later today now I guess. lol At any rate.. with a little luck I'll have one to check out on Monday.

[fastharry]

Don't be killing troy or HPI..they had nothing to do with me getting the chance to drive and test the truck.....

I just happen to have some connections and got to drive one of the trucks HPI sent to distributors for pre-sales stuff...no big deal...


you'll getting them soon enough....

[fastharry]

Originally posted by Troy Lyman
Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaat????

Does this mean it gets the offical "Crazy Harry" Seal of Approval?

;)




why wouldn't I like it?..I already told you I did..:D



I think it a terrific package for teh money...the trans NEVER gave me a problem(a BIG point of contention with me as a tmaxx owner)......the engine went up hill and down without breaking a sweat(and when I add a set of those Pro Line BIG JOE tires I'll get that little bit of extra top speed)....and I thought it jumped great...when you can launch a truck full speed of a skate board ramp and it maintains composure,thats a good deal......

its a great radio fora RTR...I drove the thing 200 feet and had no problems...

the tires are good quality(none of that "HARD" oem rubber stuff).....the body is sharp......

the only reservations I have are the ablity to get a OS in there...and I know you'll figure that out.......and how the truck holds up....and so far it seems to be...so its all good....



my REAL issues have to do with teh forum being cancelled....but we'll see what you guys have planned......and as long as you got me started.....WHERES THE PRO NITRO CAR????????????


love home to HPI STAFF..........how is Big Brother these days?....'cruisin all the forums wishin' he could stick his 2 cents in?.................

[aluminumcrusher]

Originally posted by fastharry
why wouldn't I like it?..I already told you I did..:D



I think it a terrific package for teh money...the trans NEVER gave me a problem(a BIG point of contention with me as a tmaxx owner)......the engine went up hill and down without breaking a sweat(and when I add a set of those Pro Line BIG JOE tires I'll get that little bit of extra top speed)....and I thought it jumped great...when you can launch a truck full speed of a skate board ramp and it maintains composure,thats a good deal......

its a great radio fora RTR...I drove the thing 200 feet and had no problems...

the tires are good quality(none of that "HARD" oem rubber stuff).....the body is sharp......

the only reservations I have are the ablity to get a OS in there...and I know you'll figure that out.......and how the truck holds up....and so far it seems to be...so its all good....



my REAL issues have to do with teh forum being cancelled....but we'll see what you guys have planned......and as long as you got me started.....WHERES THE PRO NITRO CAR????????????


love home to HPI STAFF..........how is Big Brother these days?....'cruisin all the forums wishin' he could stick his 2 cents in?................. HEY fast & harry whats the mph on the savage-21? and next year will hpi come out with savage-42???

[Nitro Fool]

The distributor in Reno got the Savages today. My LHS should have it in two business days.

[Cor Ruiten]

Just checked on the Tower Hobbies web-site and they pushed back the availability status from "Mid November" to "Late November"...

I wonder if they actually have stock right now, but they have to allocate that stock to the people who pre-ordered which means that new orders would not be fulfilled until late November.

[Nitro Fool]

Originally posted by Cor Ruiten
Just checked on the Tower Hobbies web-site and they pushed back the availability status from "Mid November" to "Late November"...

I wonder if they actually have stock right now, but they have to allocate that stock to the people who pre-ordered which means that new orders would not be fulfilled until late November.

I think that's a possibility. I remember reading a thread somewhere that some people had waited two months for the new T-maxx from Tower and their LHS had them in stock. That's why I decided to go with my LHS on the Savage. I'll pay ten or twenty buck more to get it now plus I'm supporting my LHS.

[cbr74]

My distributor received a small batch today, so mine will be here Tuesday. Woo Hoo!

[endeavorc]

I should see mine towards the end of next week:D

[endeavorc]

Tower did get a small shipment in. That is where mine is coming from. It should ship today or Monday.

[NitroRookie]

Is the .21 engine in the Savage better than the .18 engine in the TC.

[Cor Ruiten]

Originally posted by endeavorc
Tower did get a small shipment in. That is where mine is coming from. It should ship today or Monday.

Where did you get this information from? I spoke with an operator at Tower yesterday and she told me that I should see mine at the end of this month.

I know that Tower has a distribution center in Reno Nevada, and another one towards the East Coast. I wonder if they are fulfilling their pre-orders based on geographic location, or based on when an order was placed.

Cor

[MaxxThrasher]

Originally posted by NitroRookie
Is the .21 engine in the Savage better than the .18 engine in the TC.
ROFL! Anything is better then the .18 in the TC! :p

[nuwizard]

I've seen them on ebay for $400. I bought mine direct from www.meganitro.com just email him for pricing. He has 10 available. Get 'em quick. Does anybody know where I can get hop-up parts for the Savage???

[endeavorc]

I called Tower today and asked them. I check the web site this morning in regards to my backorder and it said LATE November. I checked later in the day and it said the same thing so I called them. The rep I spoke to said that they were in stock and they were filling backorders. They are filled in the order received from what they said. They also said that they would be calling or mailing a card out to verify if you still wanted the item if you have had it on backorder for more than 2 months. I checked the site again and it now says "invoiced, processing in warehouse".

Hope this helps.

[wrenchguy]

I'm willing to wait for Tower or my LHS, I emailed Meganitro and he emailed back saying 450 bucks !!!!!!!!. Even my LHS is going to sell them for 420, does that guy think he's special or what ? The best thing about Tower is the no tax thing, with mine sitting at 8.3% it makes it worth it, pays for 1 1/2 gals of fuel.
TTFN, Wrenchguy

[newracer]

Anybody know if the positions of the 3rd channel on the radio are adjustable? I want to use it in my Bruiser.

[nuespeed]

Is the savage worthy, fun, or just slow??
I mean I can get a schumacher XTR3E for $50 more RTR with a MX3 Radio and it goes close to 75 mph(truck:D ). The savage from what I've heard can go 35 mph right?? :mad:. The 2.5cc tmaxx can go 40mph and HPI is 100% better than traxxas. Could this car hit 40mph by adding a tuned pipe and a motor savers airfilter :) :confused:.

[aluminumcrusher]

Originally posted by nuespeed
Is the savage worthy, fun, or just slow??
I mean I can get a schumacher XTR3E for $50 more RTR with a MX3 Radio and it goes close to 75 mph(truck:D ). The savage from what I've heard can go 35 mph right?? :mad:. The 2.5cc tmaxx can go 40mph and HPI is 100% better than traxxas. Could this car hit 40mph by adding a tuned pipe and a motor savers airfilter :) :confused:. HEY NUE SPEED CHECK OUT RC CAR ACTION PAST ISSUE'S THEY HAVE ONE THAT WILL TELL YOU WHAT YOU CAN DO TO INCREASE SPEED ON A NITRO, I DONT REMEMBER THE MONTH OF THE ISSUE, BUT SOMEONE AT YOUR HOBBYSTORE MIGHT KNOW OR CALL RC-CARACTION. BY FOR KNOW ALUMINUM CRUSHER.

[J shizzy wizzy]

WHY IS EVERYONE SO INTERESTED IN THE "TOP SPEED" OF NITRO MONSTERS, THEY WERE NOT DESIGNED FOR SPEED. THEY HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF SUSPENSION TRAVEL, WITH HUGE TIRES FOR TRACTION, AND A VERY WIDE STANCE..HARD CORE OFF-ROAD!?....I MEAN WHAT DO YOU EXPECT!?......IF YOU WANT SPEED, GET THE SCHUMACHER!.......BUT SPEED DEFFINATELY ISN'T MY FRIEND, THE FASTER YOU HIT SOMETHING THE THE MORE THE REPAIRS COST..THATS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. AND FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, THAT SCHUMACHER HITS DESINAGRATION SPEEDS!!:cool:

[MaxxThrasher]

STOP TYPING IN CAPITAL LETTERS!!!:mad:

:D

[aluminumcrusher]

Originally posted by J shizzy wizzy
WHY IS EVERYONE SO INTERESTED IN THE "TOP SPEED" OF NITRO MONSTERS, THEY WERE NOT DESIGNED FOR SPEED. THEY HAVE A HUGE AMOUNT OF SUSPENSION TRAVEL, WITH HUGE TIRES FOR TRACTION, AND A VERY WIDE STANCE..HARD CORE OFF-ROAD!?....I MEAN WHAT DO YOU EXPECT!?......IF YOU WANT SPEED, GET THE SCHUMACHER!.......BUT SPEED DEFFINATELY ISN'T MY FRIEND, THE FASTER YOU HIT SOMETHING THE THE MORE THE REPAIRS COST..THATS SOMETHING TO THINK ABOUT. AND FROM WHAT I'VE HEARD, THAT SCHUMACHER HITS DESINAGRATION SPEEDS!!:cool: TORQUE & SPEED IS ALL WE NEED....TORQUE & SPEED IS ALL WE NEED ....TORQUE & SPEED IS ALL WE NEED!!! GET IT IN YOUR HEAD MAN OR PACK UP AND MOVE TO THE THUNDER QUAKE SITE WHERE SPEED DONT MATTER.

[newracer]

from the videos I have seen the Savage is plenty fast, like others posted.....why would you want a MT to go any faster than about 35? If all you want to do is go fats then get a pan car!!!!

[J shizzy wizzy]

MAN YOU GUYS MUST BE LOADED!.....I WISH I COULD SPEND THOUSANDS OF DOLLARS FIXING AND REPAIRING MY R/C CAR, AFTER HIGH SPEED CRASHES, OR NOT.

AND SHUT IT ABOUT THE CAPS, I LIKE CAPS.

[aluminumcrusher]

Originally posted by newracer
from the videos I have seen the Savage is plenty fast, like others posted.....why would you want a MT to go any faster than about 35? If all you want to do is go fats then get a pan car!!!! I SAY DEAR OLD CHAP A PANCAR CANNOT GO OVER BIG ROCKS OR CLIMB A HILL! AND I LIKE'S TO DO THIS WITH A MONSTER TRUCK, WITH LOTS OF SPEED BEHIND IT!!! THE FIRST ONE OVER THE RUFF STUFF AND TO THE TOP OF THE MOUNTAIN WINS IN MY NEIGHBORHOOD!

[Kebv]

i'll tell you what makes an RC car go fast:
a Motorsaver airfilter used with 25% Tornado model fuel. Man, that stuff is the very life-force of the heavenly bodies in the pantheon! (no matter what you believe in!) seriously though:
im NEVER going back to 20% blue thunder. it's for kids compared to Tornado. PLUS tornado has much better lubrication.
And what fastharry said about the savage's durability and ability to fly is aboslutely accurate. The savage is a MACHINE, of note. get one.

[wrenchguy]

Does that filter make that much difference? I've never had a nitro Truck/car before and am still learning . Isn't the 25% fuel going to be too harsh on he engine?

[rcrebel]

:) I guess I'll join my HPI brothers in the quest to make the Savage 21 unstoppable. Another company let me down with a truck that will not be out to late next year.

BTW, I want to give a shout-out to Troy L. I been trying to get a rep. for the other company two weeks now. I think I'll like HPI.:D

[newracer]

I still haven't decided if I should get one now or wait to see if a kit version comes out!! I won't be using it much during the winter if I get one so I might wait it out!;)

[J shizzy wizzy]

MOTORSAVER AIRFILTERS ARE BETTER THAN THE STOCK ONES THAT COME WITH THE ENGINE.... THEY HAVE MORE FILTER FILAMENT AREA FOR CLEANER AIR, AND THEY ALLOW ALOT MORE AIRFLOW....THE BETTER THE ENGINE CAN BREATH THE MORE POWER IT CAN PRODUCE..........AS FAR AS FUEL GOES, DON'T USE CHEAP NO-NAME BRANDS, USE TRINITY OR TRAXXAS FUELS...THEY ARE OF HIGHER QUALITY AND ARE WORTH THE XTRA FEW BUCKS......BECAUSE ENGINES AREN'T CHEAP, I USE 10% NITRO WHEN I BASH AROUND THE NEIGHBOR HOOD. THE 10% LETS THE ENGINE RUN COOLER AND SMOOTHER, INTURN IT WILL LAST ABIT LONGER. I SUGGEST YOU USE 20% OR HIGHER ONLY FOR RACING CONDITIONS.....

BY THE WAY, DON'T LISTEN TO KEVB....TALKIN ABOUT HEAVENLY BODIES, PARTHENON...ETC....HE'S TOTALLY FULL OF IT.

I have warned you before. No cursing, and please stop typing in capitals. You may like it, but it says that you are yelling, and makes it hard to read.

Thanks,
Kyle

[NoPepsiForYou]

SEE THAT KEY RIGHT NEXT TO "A". YEA THATS YOUR CAPS LOCK, TURN IT OFF!

[wrenchguy]

What about using aftermarket exhaust also for better flow, it works on cars and motorcycles ? And what's up with that NOSOUPFORYOUGUY , some people like cap's?

TTFN, Wrenchguy

[Jamie]

Has anyone herd from a reliable source if the Savage will fit engines from other manufacturers? I have been reading the European HPI forum and it seems that only the HPI engine will fit. I am trying to choose between the Monster GT and the Savage and this and the long weak looking shocks are my only concerns.

[J shizzy wizzy]

YUP, AFTER MARKET EXHUASTS, WORK WELL FOR DEVELOPING POWER. THERES A WHOLE SCIENCE TO IT, LIKE THE GAP BETWEEN THE PIPE AND THE EXHUAST MANIFOLD, DIFFERENT SIZE AND SHAPE PIPES, ETC.....I REALLY DON'T KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT PIPES TO LECTURE YOU ON IT. BUT I DO KNOW THAT CVEC MAKES A GREAT PIPE THAT PRODUCES ALOT OF POWER BUT ITS NOT RACE LEGAL..... GO TO THE PARIS RACEING WEBSITE, OR GO TO THE CVEC WEBSITE, THEY CLAIM TO BE THE MASTERS OF THE 2 STROKE.

ACTUALLY, THE FIRST THING ANYONE SHOULD DO, WOULD BE TO SUBSCRIBE TO RC NITRO!

[dyslexic]

for more info on the engine and fitting in a new one goto www.maxxtraxx.com and check out their hpi savage thread tons of info from people who actually have the truck in the US

[J shizzy wizzy]

I REGISTERED AT MAXX TRAXX.COM........HOW LONG DO YOU HAVE TO WAIT FOR A CONFIRMATION E-MAIL!??? I WANT TO POST BUT I'M NOT AUTHORIZED YET?........GOD I'M FRUSTRATED

[fastharry]

if you go to Maxxtraxx.com,they will redirect you to the new server...if you registered on the old site(the purple one),you'll see associateds BFT before you see a confirmation...

[Jamie]

Thanks dyslexic,
The site was very interesting. Where I live OS engines and support are the most common. I'm going to wait to see how the Monster GT pans out. Not too sure about the extra gears required to mount the engine across the frame on the GT though.

[rcrebel]

I like the Savage but still feel like waiting for the Monster GT

[wrenchguy]

Originally posted by rcrebel
I like the Savage but still feel like waiting for the Monster GT

Why do you like the MGT so much, I watched the vid's and looked at the pic's and still lean towards the Savage ? The GT just looks too big for it's own good, and I may be wrong but from what I've heard the TT engine is'nt as strong as it should be. Maybe they should have put a .70 in it instead like the EK.

[rs4-3]

Originally posted by wrenchguy
Why do you like the MGT so much, I watched the vid's and looked at the pic's and still lean towards the Savage ? The GT just looks too big for it's own good, and I may be wrong but from what I've heard the TT engine is'nt as strong as it should be. Maybe they should have put a .70 in it instead like the EK.

let me tell you this some people thank if AE makes
it it will be the best.

"I LIKE THE HPI SAVAGE :D

[alvin1]

i've just run my savage in today and can confirm that the savage does not wheelie.this is due to the very soft suspension set up,but at the same time this soft suspension will give the drive train a much easier time, as it dips down at the back under acceleration.the engine is also quite powerfull for a stock engine and when new it is very tight so the plug will need slackening slightly before it will start.i,ll post more as and when the truck's engine has freed up/tuned up:)

[Kebv]

yes, once the .21BB frees up it goes like a charm. Starts first time, everytime, and has sufficient power to drive the savage up or over anything. It runs very cool, especially if you use Tornado fuel. 20% Blue thunder is good, but the engine runs hotter and doesn't even have as much power output as 16% Tornado.
I have never got my savage above 230 degrees (which is it's optimum running temp for all kinds of terrain). only time will tell about it's durability.

Kebv,

PS BTW Tornado isn't one of those El-cheapo fuels made in some dude's back yard on the weekend while he was having a BBQ, or sumthing. It is a proper racing formula. Your only loss is if you don't use it. :) I used to believe in BT, but now it is just rubbish.

[alvin1]

how much oil does this tornado fuel have? where can i order it?

[Kebv]

You can get 16% and 25% Tornado from Galaxy Models if you phone up. (www.galaxymodels.co.uk)
Unfortunately it doesn't say how much oil it has, but then most fuels don't anyway.

[cohiba]

Just got my savage a few days ago...and it's freakin' great. Has anyone ever seen a grand cherokee body that would fit this truck properly? I can't seem to find one in any size...just wondering if anyone else has..and where....

thanks

[mduv]

As a first time nitro owner (I've run electric only) I have a couple questions for all you nitro experts out there... I just recieved my Savage in the mail. Would it be normal for me not to be able to very easily pull the pull-starter unless the glow plug was removed? When pulled (seems unusually hard with the glow plug still in) it will click once but it won't pull out to the full extent of the 12"(more like 3"). Am I missing something that was supposed to be removed? It's not the starter because it will pull freely when the plug is removed... I checked all the needles to make sure that they had proper settings from the factory to make sure they wern't closed all the way or something.... Everything seems normal except for the formentioned problem... Please if any body has any ideas, let me know, because I really want to drive my Savage and want to have backup knowledge if I have to complain...

Thanks ahead of time to all who reply.
Mark.
:confused:

[nitrochulo]

reply to:
New Savage Owner....
As a first time nitro owner (I've run electric only) I have a couple questions for all you nitro experts out there... I just recieved my Savage in the mail. Would it be normal for me not to be able to very easily pull the pull-starter unless the glow plug was removed? When pulled (seems unusually hard with the glow plug still in) it will click once but it won't pull out to the full extent of the 12"(more like 3"). Am I missing something that was supposed to be removed? It's not the starter because it will pull freely when the plug is removed... I checked all the needles to make sure that they had proper settings from the factory to make sure they wern't closed all the way or something.... Everything seems normal except for the formentioned problem... Please if any body has any ideas, let me know, because I really want to drive my Savage and want to have backup knowledge if I have to complain...

Thanks ahead of time to all who reply.
Mark.



I'm assuming you haven't successfully started it yet either. If this is true then it's probably because of the very tight seal and good compression and/or hytrolock. I had the same problem with mine but once it was successfully started and broken in it becomes alot easier to pull. The formula that seemed to remedy it was to slightly loosen the plug and make sure you didn't hydrolock the engine.

1. Remove plug and turn truck over.
2. Pull starter to remove excess fuel.
3. Make sure air filter isn't saturated with fuel. If so squeeze it out and put it back.
4. Check the plug to make sure it's okay with the ignitor. Make sure it glows well. Oh yeah and be sure the ignitor is fully charged. Success on this step will be a satisfactory test for both. Make sure you have some spare plugs handy.
5. Reinstall glow plug and it's washer.
6. Attempt to start it. If this didn't loosen it up then loosen the glow plug slightly and try again.

Hope this helps.
The persistence will pay off once you get it going.

Also, be sure that the engine is not bone cold otherwise it will be that much harder to bump the engine over.

Later and your welcome

P.S. don't kill it because parts are scarce. The steering knuckle is weak. Once is included in the box. My friend and I had to replace it already because we both nailed curbs. I bent the ***** our of the chassis too. It's pretty soft so we just bent it back into shape but we spend about 4 hours wrenchiing on day two of ownership. :)

[mduv]

Hello nitrochulo,
Thanks for the detailed instructions. I'll try again today and get a fresh start and maybe do better. But here's what happened because I tryed almost every thing on your list.

First off I added re-oiled the air filter (I just wanted to make sure)... Next I added the fuel and started priming the the tank (of which I accidentally did too much and I flooded the air filter with fuel... So I pulled out the filter squeezed it out, put a little more oil in it, and reinstalled it... Pulled out the plug and pulled the starter a couple of times to get all the excess fuel out of the engine... tested the plug on my ignitor, it glowed fine... reinstalled it... Tryed to pull the starter again.... I can get it to turn over once if the plug is on but not enough to startup the engine. I tryed this a bunch of times but to no success. I used up an entire battery and a half trying last night in the ignitor and the most I've gotten out of it is the smell of burning nitro....

If you have anything new to add for todays attempt or just a idea of what may be wrong.... I'd appreciate it... Thanks a bunch,

Mark.


p.s. Thanks for the tip on the parts... I'll lay off too much of the hitting of objects with mine...

[MaxxThrasher]

Try warming up the engine a little with a hair dryer before starting it.

[aluminumcrusher]

YO YO YO CHECK THIS OUT DUDE, SQUIRT A LITTLE LIGHTER FLUID INTO THE CARB AND LIKE DUDE IT WILL CRANK RITE ON UP! DUDE USE ONLY A HALF OF TEA SPOON AT A TIME OK!!!

[coolracer47]

This sucks my hobby shop was supposed to get savages last week but guess what the freakin truck crashed on the way there and now i have to wait! Out of all the things in the world it had to crash! I hope the savages were ok::(

[nitro tiger]

well i ran my savage all day sunday went through 1/2 gallon one day man this truck can take a beating. if i did that to my ek4 it would of broke. but it needs more. i think i am just used to the.70:D i hate the slipper clutch i have it maxed and i think my clutch is wearing fast ohh well time to make something that will hold up!!but guys this truckk is a must the supension is killer:eek:

[wrenchguy]

Did you have any trouble starting yours like MUDV did ? I plan on picking mine up Wed. night at my LHS . I'm still not sure what to expect. The one reservation I have now is what will be available as far as aftermarket parts . There is a million parts out there for the TMAXX, I just hope they do the same for the SAVAGE. From what I hear they definitely need aluminum uprights .

[mduv]

All is running well now... Thanks for helping out to all who tried...
It was just a case of the engine flooding alot and my igniter running through batteries quickly. It took alot to get it started the first time but it got much, much easier after that. I would suggest to anybody that gets a savage to loosen up on the factory tightened plug as well as buy alot of batteries for their igniter (if you don't have a rechargeable kind). Go get a pack from the 99cent store. You'll run through them like butter with how easy it is to flood the engine...

It's now running great... Lot's of torque and suspension travel...
I love it... Haven't got the engine tuned perfectly but I can see the potential... Mmmmm... Nitro fun...

If anybody has any tips on tuning it up... I'd appreciate it...
Thanks,
Mark.

[mduv]

Hey wrenchguy, incase you didn't see it about replacement parts...

http://www.hpiracing.com/buyhpi.htm

They just added Savage 21 and 21BB Engine parts...

[wrenchguy]

I saw replacement parts but no hop-up parts or anodized aluminum stuff. I am also curios about the reverse module, I'm not a racer and reverse is what I do when I cant go forward. I have an EMT and HPI has all but eliminated most of the hop-up parts for it, I hope they don't do that with the SAVAGE.

[NitroRookie]

A question for any Savage 21 owner.

Does the Savage come with a Throttle Return Spring and where is it located on the truck if it has one ?

[endeavorc]

Yes the Savage comes with a TRS. The spring is mounted around the high needle part of the carb and where the servo linkage attaches.

[nitro tiger]

so how does everyone like the truck? i cant wait to run it again. but guys do you hear it shift into second mine goes through 1st like in 1sec then shifts it's notlike the videop winding out first then second and my 2 speed is only out a half a turn from close:o

[nitrochulo]

Both my friends and my own haven't shifted yet and both screws are in place. It's al little slow to start but cooks once it gets going so i wonder if its in second all the time. Haven't had too much time to spend on it yet.

[alvin1]

my savage would not shift into second,no matter how much i altered the shifting screw,the screw eventualy fell out into the gearbox and i accidently stripped the threads trying to screw it back in.i have ordered a new part, but when i took the gearbox apart i found that the reason it would not shift was because the shifting spring was stuck under the screw hole,preventing it from shifting.if the screw falls out ,do not try to screw it back in through the access hole,as the thread is drilled off centre and you will more than likely strip the thread in the process,instead you must take the whole gearbox apart and carefully screw it in that way,noting the angle at which it is drilled.hope no one else has this problem

[nmt6789]

Has anybody driven the savage? If so is it fast?? Can it compete with the 2.5 T-maxx. Iam considering getting one. Thanks

[atm92484_3]

What are you guys doing about the truck not being able to bottom out? Is readjusting the shock mounting locations enough?

[dyslexic]

with the stock pipe it tops out around 35mph put a good top end pipe and you might get it to 40mph. Just remeber the faster you go the more things break when you come to a sudden stop...
the savage will out climb and out handel a stock tmaxx 2.5 but it will lose a long drag race provided the tmaxx dosen't flip it's self over at the starting line:p

[coward]

Im thinking about buy a savage 21 and i have put togther all my research and have these questions..

1. Can an after-market motor be fitted easily with no mods.. If its limited to certain models, which ones will fit...

2. The brakes. Is it an issue thats its at a low point and is exposed to the "elements" - dust and dirt which can affect braking or in some cases make it non existant.

3. The stock shocks - are they really as bad as people say. I wont be uprgrading anything on the car for a while so it needs to he hardy from get go.

I think thats it for now.. if i remember anymore ill post..

oh.. this will be my first nitro car...ive had electric for a while now...

TIA!

[nmt6789]

HPI should have made a shock tower with more than one hole for adjusting the shocks.

[dyslexic]

Originally posted by coward
Im thinking about buy a savage 21 and i have put togther all my research and have these questions..

1. Can an after-market motor be fitted easily with no mods.. If its limited to certain models, which ones will fit...

2. The brakes. Is it an issue thats its at a low point and is exposed to the "elements" - dust and dirt which can affect braking or in some cases make it non existant.

3. The stock shocks - are they really as bad as people say. I wont be uprgrading anything on the car for a while so it needs to he hardy from get go.

I think thats it for now.. if i remember anymore ill post..

oh.. this will be my first nitro car...ive had electric for a while now...

TIA!

1. Yes you can fit in another engine ofna .21 8 port hyper, .25 and xtm .247 all fit
2 I've not noticed any ill effects on the brake's so far and I drove mine on the beach for over 2 hours with no problems
3. the stock shocks are fine they are alot stronger then they look and work great I've taken some big air and they hold up quite well providing you don't hit anything..
4. I would suggest getting another airfilter as the stock one is a bit restrictive I got an OFNA 1/8 buggy filter for around 5$ works great and wont break you budget.

and nmt6789 give it time you'll have more aftermarket parts then you'll know what to do with, HPI did their homework with the suspension geomotry It just plain works

[coward]

dyslexic thanks for the responses..

my lhs has them in stock but doesnt know how much to sell them for!!.. ranging 1400-1500 australian which is way too much.. hopefully it will come down in price. otherwise ill order it from tower which would still work out much cheaper incluing delivery!

Another question.. (as i havent seen one in the flesh) whats the ground clearance like? from the photos it seems to sit kinda low.. is this something a suspension upgrade would fix (im thinking to have it sit something like the ae btf)

[anothermbdusted]

has anyone drove this on a off road track yet and if so how does it handle against a 2.5 tmaxx the reason why i say this is because i have yet to see one and well i drove my friends and love it but i was told that the savage is WAY better then a tmaxx.do you think that it compete against a tmaxx in a off road race?

[dyslexic]

http://home.nyc.rr.com/regg151/excursion3.jpg

as you can see in the pic ground clearance is about 2.5 - 3 inches at the skid plates and about 3.5 - 4.25 inches at the center of the tranny (not shown) if you want to raise it up just add more spacers to the shocks if you want must have more ground clearance.Just remember the higher it sits the higher the CG and the easier it will flip over in the turns.

And yes it will give the tmaxx a some serious compitition at the track once the hop-ups start coming out the performance of the savage will do nothing but increase, right now both truck out of the box the savage will come out on top more oftem then not

[coward]

dyslexic thanks again! im aware of tip over issues.. im not really gonna do fast runs.. i want more of a 4wding truck.. (which ill be taking when i go 4wding in my real jeep)

i just got a call from my lhs there will be one for me to see and buy (have put a deposit al;ready) on thursday next week!!!!

still undecided i must admit.. would like to see the mgt.. guess ill buy that also.. if its gonna be as good as people say.. but at $1300 or more it might be out of my price range...

my lhs will start the run in proces(one tank) to make sure its all in order.. ive already mentioned the tranny issue... they will also start tuning the motor fo rme.. part of their service

i guess ill end up buying it.. anything i need to look out for?

[wrenchguy]

Hidy ho,
I picked mine up the other night and got to finish breaking it in today. It wouldnt shift at first but after adjusting the correct screw it shifted fine, but after a little while longer it was stuck in 2nd. Upon examination the top screw which is not supposed to be messed with was backed out almost completely. Has anyone else had this problem and are there any other screws that like to come out that I should be aware of ?
I haven't had much time to play with it yet but it looks like I will have a blast with it.

[wrenchguy]

Hidy ho,
I picked mine up the other night and got to finish breaking it in today. It wouldnt shift at first but after adjusting the correct screw it shifted fine, but after a little while longer it was stuck in 2nd. Upon examination the top screw which is not supposed to be messed with was backed out almost completely. Has anyone else had this problem and are there any other screws that like to come out that I should be aware of ?
I haven't had much time to play with it yet but it looks like I will have a blast with it.

[ALJR]

it seems allot of people are having trouble adjusting the two speed on the savavge..... have any of you sorted the problem out?

i have an nmt and a type ss that have the style "finger type" clutch that is on the savage.... the best way to adjust it is to use the stock spring position as a good starting point...

if the spring is out too much, then the truck will start off in second gear. if its in too much, it will never shift out of first gear, start at the factory recomended setting... usually its two turns out (from in all the way). when you turn it in, don't go too tight or you may dammage the spring... when adjusting the shift point, use only small 1/4 turn adjustments. if you make too big of an adjustment, you may pass right by your desired shift point....

hope this helped some one:)

[wrenchguy]

:confused: do you mean we are supposed to read the directions ? I thought that manual was a coloring book and gave it to my 4 year old.

[ALJR]

Originally posted by wrenchguy
:confused: do you mean we are supposed to read the directions ? I thought that manual was a coloring book and gave it to my 4 year old.


you dumb a$$.... only the pages with black and white sketches are used for coloring... the pages with text are used for lining your bird cage....and the nice pages with photos are the one you should have kept :)






this is sarcastic humor, i hope you (and every one else) gets it... no harm is intended:D

[nitro tiger]

the savage seems to shift right away i have mine cranked all the way down and it winds up quick and then shifts if you loosen it up 2nd kicks in right. so tighten it up when i got mine mine was only half turn from fully closed:o

[Minty Fresh]

I finally picked up my Savage! Got everything I needed...and finally got everything setup and ready to break in....but, then I realized the Glow Plug Starter I purchased was not long enough to reach the plug!!! GRRRR! By then, the local shops were closed...so waiting 'til tomorrow to get a new starter!

This is my first Nitro Kit.....have run Electric for years. Can't wait to have some Nitro Fun!

[alvin1]

i,ve just rebuilt my savage gearbox,and i can tell you that there was not the slightest bit of grease in there to lubricate the gears.:( however i have used some thunder tiger racing grease to lubricate the parts and the gearbox now runs very smooth indeed:) does any body know where to get some stiffer springs for the shocks as the standard ones are far to soft for my liking

[MaxxThrasher]

Try some T-Maxx shock spacers.

[newracer]

Just a few FYI's for new Savage owners that I have found on other forums

A lot of people have had problems with the 2 speed set and adjustment screws coming out, they both need thread lock. The best way is to take the tranny apart.

The header can vibrate down and rub on the chassis causing wear, put some fuel tubing on the chassis, zip ties, or round off the chassis to prevent

BTW I wil be picking my Savage up tonight after work!!:D

[cynical_zen]

Hi guys...and gals:D , if any!
I just saw the Savage at my LHS yesterday...It is truly eye candy!!!:cool:
I MUST HAVE ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Okay, payday's Friday...so, any opinion, objection, tips, tricks, yay, nay? Or should I wait for the AE monster truck?
Other than the two speed issues, is there anything else I should consider?
Thanx for any comments:D

[Minty Fresh]

I'm new to Nitro, so I have a quick question. I bought a Savage 21, and I finished breaking it in like the manual suggested. Now, it says after the break in...to adjust the High and Low speed screws on the carb. My question is...the manual says from the factory they are set to 3 1/2 turns from closed...but after break in, they should be set to 2 1/2 - 3. Now...if I'm looking at the screws...which way do I turn to go down to 2 1/2 (Clockwise or Counter-Clockwise)? The manual doesn't really say. It just says: Rich - Counter-Clockwise, Lean - Clockwise.

Thanks for any help....

[Minty Fresh]

Originally posted by cynical_zen
Hi guys...and gals:D , if any!
I just saw the Savage at my LHS yesterday...It is truly eye candy!!!:cool:
I MUST HAVE ONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Okay, payday's Friday...so, any opinion, objection, tips, tricks, yay, nay? Or should I wait for the AE monster truck?
Other than the two speed issues, is there anything else I should consider?
Thanx for any comments:D

Well I picked up my Savage a few days ago, and I love it! Well, at first I had problems getting it started. (Which other people have said too.) My LHS said the .21 engines are usually tempremental....but once they get going, and broken in...it's fine. Which he was right. Pointers I could give about getting it started the first time is - It's easy to flood...make sure that's okay, The glow plug is real tight from the factory, so might need to loosin' it a tad. Also the usual stuff...check glow plug, make sure ignitor battery is charged, air filter's not saturated with fuel....also it helped me to have throttle open a bit too.

I haven't really seen any other Monster Trucks run, except the T-Maxx...so I can't really give you a suggestion there. I've heard other people say that the AE truck is a little too big. I'm really new to Nitro kits (have run electric for years) so I'm probably not the one to give advice on them. Although I've owned several HPI kits....and I'll always stand by them!

Hope this helps....

[MaxxThrasher]

Clockwise to close or "lean" the fuel mixture and counter-clockwise to open or "richen" the fuel mixture.

[cynical_zen]

Originally posted by Minty Fresh
I'm new to Nitro, so I have a quick question. I bought a Savage 21, and I finished breaking it in like the manual suggested. Now, it says after the break in...to adjust the High and Low speed screws on the carb. My question is...the manual says from the factory they are set to 3 1/2 turns from closed...but after break in, they should be set to 2 1/2 - 3. Now...if I'm looking at the screws...which way do I turn to go down to 2 1/2 (Clockwise or Counter-Clockwise)? The manual doesn't really say. It just says: Rich - Counter-Clockwise, Lean - Clockwise.

Thanks for any help....
Richer=counterclockwise
Leaner=counterclockwise
If you are looking at the screws, turning it counterclockwise (richer) should bring the screw out and vice versa...hope this helps...the manual may not necessarily be always correct.
Example= my newest engine is a Fantom FR 12, manual suggested 2 1/2 turns out after break-in...however, I have to keep it 1 1/2 - 1 3/4 turns out to keep the temperature in the 200-245 range (depending on ambience temps.)
It may be in your best interest to pick up some temperature measuring device.

[cynical_zen]

sorry ^^^ fixing the above post...
Leaner is clockwise...:rolleyes:

[guver]

MF, I don't have a nitro, but the mixture screws should be turned clockwise to be shut (closed). Don't wrench them down tight. Turn counterclockwise to 2 or 3 turns ect. or whatever you want to set it at. From break-in setting to normal setting you would turn screw clockwise. Turning counterclockwise all the way should remove it.

[cynical_zen]

Originally posted by Minty Fresh
Well I picked up my Savage a few days ago, and I love it! Well, at first I had problems getting it started. (Which other people have said too.) My LHS said the .21 engines are usually tempremental....but once they get going, and broken in...it's fine. Which he was right. Pointers I could give about getting it started the first time is - It's easy to flood...make sure that's okay, The glow plug is real tight from the factory, so might need to loosin' it a tad. Also the usual stuff...check glow plug, make sure ignitor battery is charged, air filter's not saturated with fuel....also it helped me to have throttle open a bit too.

I haven't really seen any other Monster Trucks run, except the T-Maxx...so I can't really give you a suggestion there. I've heard other people say that the AE truck is a little too big. I'm really new to Nitro kits (have run electric for years) so I'm probably not the one to give advice on them. Although I've owned several HPI kits....and I'll always stand by them!

Hope this helps....

Congrats on the purchase:D
Yeah...I've been hearing about the tight compressions too. It's not my main concern, though. I am worried about adjusting the 2 speed clutch...
Have you had any problems adjusting the 2-speeds?
How is it holding up to landing rough jumps?
Oh well, find out when I buy it. :) :p :D

[Minty Fresh]

Originally posted by cynical_zen
Richer=counterclockwise
Leaner=counterclockwise
If you are looking at the screws, turning it counterclockwise (richer) should bring the screw out and vice versa...hope this helps...the manual may not necessarily be always correct.
Example= my newest engine is a Fantom FR 12, manual suggested 2 1/2 turns out after break-in...however, I have to keep it 1 1/2 - 1 3/4 turns out to keep the temperature in the 200-245 range (depending on ambience temps.)
It