GS Vision Pro Forum

[rzucca]

[B]GS Vision Pro Forum


Tell me somethings about this car

This is my car :
engine is Picco XP.12 tuned by me
the options blue are OptionTeam by Fioroni .



OK, so post away and submit your desires.

[KawadaKid]

I have been running this car for GS for about a month and I LOVE IT! Its so easy to drive and so easy to set up. Ive been doing realy well at my local club on fioroni tires and a mugen MT12 Engine. Anyone want a low bite asphalt set up give me a shout.

Steven S.

[KawadaKid]

anyone else with a vision?

[dg2b]

what is their website (english) to check out this car?

[KawadaKid]

its not posted on the american websight but the european one is in english. its www.gs-europe.com Enjoy!

[dg2b]

Thanks for the website. I'll check it out.

[Morpehus2be]

The GS design is quite up to date with the inline fuel tank and all... It comes with a Centax clutch right? I've seen a GS with an RB 5-port in it and it really flies. I think its in the same class as an Impulse or V-One-R/RR... pricing is slightly cheaper at my LHS. A friend wanted to get the V-One-R and the LHS guy said the GS is a better buy (since it includes Centax clutch and body) for only MYR150 more (~USD35). Recently, a GS came out 2nd in the A-Mains at a local race (behind an Impulse), but there was a lot of other Impulse drivers who were impressed with the GS.

Well, its either the V-One-R or the GS for my friend, and he has a hard time deciding.

:D

[KawadaKid]

i LOOOOVE my Vision! I have been placing very well at my local club. I have TQ'ed twice this year and won many times. Its Drivetrain is so smooth and its very easy to drive. I HIGHLY recomend it. :D

Steven Stewart,
GS Racing Team

[UberGamer256]

Hey Stew! Nice to see more of Team GS on here ;)

Im throwing around the idea of getting a Vision soon and thowing an RB 5 port in it... Michael wants me to get one and run it for GS. We have a track up here not that far from me for on-road too... could be fun. Im an off-road guy at heart though and im having tons of fun with my Storm Pro.. its an awesome kit.

[KawadaKid]

Sounds Good! I got a Killer Setup if u do decide to get one or for anyone that wants a setup. The Fioroni Tires have been Great Aswell. By the way, Rzucca, where do u live? How did you get those parts? Im on the team and they arent available to me yet. Just wondered if maybe you got a jump on the parts if you live in europe or something. Well, Thanx.

[rzucca]

Hello KawadaKid

I live in italy .
As I'm the factory driver of the Team Fioroni , i have tested those parts before their launch on the market .

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Rzucca

[KawadaKid]

Oh, I see. Im an american GS Driver so i get those things later i guess. Thanx for the response. What colors will those parts come on by the way?

[Tamiya Man]

http://.horizonhobby.com/products/mfgPage.asp?Page=GSC&Listings=Yes&Cat=ECA#listing

On that web site they show 2 gs engines:

NYA V12RR RACING ENINEG. W/SLIDE CARB
Price: $152.99

NYA V12RSX ENG W/PS & SLIDE CARB
Price: $107.99

For christmas i am looking into getting the Vision Pro...Since i don't have a job(cuz im lower that hiring age) i am looking into starting out with the NYA V12RSX ENG W/PS & SLIDE CARB


Do u know what the horsepower and rmps this engine reaches....

Thanks for ur help...Tamiya Man

[rzucca]

Hello kawadaKid

The optional parts by Fioroni are blue.

Can you send to me your setup ?
How do you calibrate your clutch ?

thanks

Cheers
Roberto Zucca

[KawadaKid]

Tamiya man: one is a pull start. the V12SX is the pull start. Im not sure about the HP ratings or RPM stats.

RZucca: I had my mechanic set my clutch up. Not sure exactly what he did but it is very responsive. Tell me your email address and i will send u my setup sheet.
Is Fioroni going to come out with any aluminum pullies or solid axels or anything of that nature?Thanx!

Cya, Steven Stewart

[rzucca]

we are testing a solid axel and front one way

other photo my car

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[rzucca]

Photo

[Dava]

Hello Rzucca,

I just bought a Vision Pro and I will love to buy the optional parts you have on your car, do you know when they will be available in Horizon Hobby?

I race in Mexico and my Vision Pro will be the first racing here against many Serpents, V-Ones and Mugens. We are like 60 drivers and we have many great tracks. Maybe you know the one in Toluca because we have a World 1/8 Championship some years ago.

We will have an international event for 1/10 in another track on November. Drivers from U.S. of many teams will be here, specially from Serpent. I will gladly represent GS with the Vision Pro. I think I´m a good driver, I´m in the top 5 of the 1/8 with the MRX3.

I want to know if you can help me setting the car?.
If you want I can send you more information on the event.

David.

[Tamiya Man]

Besides an engine, servos, radio, reciver, pipe and manifold...what would i need to complete it??? I was looking on the hpi board and found a track in racine that races 1/10 nitro sedanhttp://home.wi.rr.com/racinerc/ I just want to know what i need to i can gauge how much it will be

Thanx

[KawadaKid]

Starter box, glow igniter, fuel, receiver battery back and everything u listed. It comes with top noch foams and a body(pro version). I guess u need paint too.

[Tamiya Man]

I am also wondering if a side exaust, recoil engine with pipe and manifold would work.Also what type of crankshaft would i need? I am looking into a beginer engine and here is my choice:
Dynamite .12-.15 PS: Universil-crank DYN6500
Dynamite .12-.15 Exaust Manifold Recoil DYN6601
Dynamite 1/10 Sport Tuned Pipe DYN6604

i appreciate all repys..thanks

[KawadaKid]

The car only comes with a manifold for a rear port engine, and i dont think that a recoil will clear the brace. It does come with both nuts thow, one for SG style crank, one for standard. If u want a good priced engine for that car consider the GS V12 engine. It is available in pull start but again, im not sure if it will clear the brace. Have fun decideing and let me know if there are any more questions.

Steven Stewart,
GS Racing Team

[Tamiya Man]

would u happen to have an old pull start engine lying around to test fit and see if it interferes with the brace? The GS v12 would be a good choice, but if the recoil interfears then there is a problem. this will really affect my choice because:
(1).I want to get the vision pro, but if i need a bump start engine it would set me back like a couple hundred for an engine and stater box, or i could by an engine are remove the pull start.
(2)Even converting to bump start it would cost me at least 170 for box and engine

Please help if u can

Thanks

[modelcar]

Recoil start engin can't fit in Vision Pro due to the side belt position.
Cheeper solution GS engine & eco starter box.

Bye,
Modelcar

[Tamiya Man]

that sux..107.99 for gs engine...plus like 60 for starter box...plus 15 for stick pack(have 1 from tl-01)...plus support equipment(glow plug wrench, extra glow plug, glow plug ignighter, fuel, etc...)....and 1 servo..10.99(standard)....well that blows the gs out of my dreams for a while...........mabe the yokomo Gt4 pro(or r version)....with pull start yokomo engine(bout 59.99)

That sux

O well.....mabe next year:( :( :( :(

[KawadaKid]

Yes it does cuz u are missing out on a fine auto. If there is anything else u have questions about, just let me know.

[Tamiya Man]

here is my special plan...after looking at ultimate hobbies i saw the msx-3(mugen) for i think 249.99. I get that.....then i will have the money for a starter box right away...then after a bit i could get a decent engine and pipe.........since it comes with support equipment.glow plug igniter(other stuff)i wouldnt need anything else really...i think..........then by working in the summer i could save up for the vision and just transfer the engine and pipe to the vision.

Cool huh...not really, but it might work:D :D :D


Hope to aquire the gs sometime in 2003

Bye

[ozysnake]

hi all ,
ozy here just bought a pro vision and its the first one in our club and would like some setups please and some help on getting the best out of the car

cheers ozysnake

[KawadaKid]

Hey ozzy, nice to see the car is selling. I have a great setup for a decent sized, low bite track if u want. Not sure if u read the other posts but i am a GS Driver and if u have any questions let me know. Give me ur email address and i can send my setup to u.

Steven Stewart,
GS Racing Team

[UberGamer256]

Well.. looks like im going to have to hold out on my Vision Purchese till next Spring. Many reasons..

1) Limited Money supply right now
2) I need a new engine.. new rx.. new starter.. new pipe/manifold ect.
3) The only close track will be closing for the winter in a few weeks.
4) This would be my first on-road (besides a micro).

So im going to wait till next Spring when i can devote some money and track time to learning to drive this new beast :-) I will be happy to represent GS when that time comes.


Stewie... E-mail me that setup sheet you have.. i will upload it (if i havnt already) to teamurc.com for ya.

[Tamiya Man]

Are there any hand held starters????ive heard that u can use an airplane starter, but instead use a starter wheel.RC Car wrote a good review of the car....(if there is a hand held starter then i might get the car)

Thanks:D

[KawadaKid]

Well,
I just got back from the last leg of the Michigan Onroad Racing League in Adrian MI. I took First Place Nitro Foam A Main with my trusty Vision. Car ran great on my Fioroni foam tires. Big thanx to General Silicones for their support.

Yeah, u can get them but the are a pain in the butt. its basicaly a big motor with a rubber wheel on the end with a switch u press that spins it then u just place it up to ur fly wheel. Have Fun.

Steven Stewart,
GS Racing Team

[micro_man]

Hey kawada kid, Do your parents like let you out of school and stuff to go race or what? I think thats awesome if they do. What did you do to get sponsored?

[KawadaKid]

Sometimes, only fer realy big races thow. Like, most regional races around here are one day deals but some of the dirt races are friday saturday races. In those cases i usualy just miss the practice day or whatever. This year will probably miss a day for cleveland. Not much thow.

On getting sponsored: Just work hard, practice alot and become one of the top guys in ur club. Most companies would like nats. winners, but thats not all they are looking for. Sometimes just being one of the top guys in ur area is good enough. Good luck.

Steven Stewart,
GS Racing Team

[micro_man]

Did you pay for all your cars and stuff until you got sponsored or did your parents help you out with stuff? how many years have you been racing?

I am 14 and i am trying real hard to get good at the local track. Only thing is I have to pay for my race days and tires and gas and hopups. Hopefully one day i will get a sponsor. Maybe in a few years when i am sponsored i will be up against you:D

Good luck with your racing career. I think that would be the coolest job in the world....R/C driver for trinity (since i race the reflex:p )

Talk to you later,
kurt

[KawadaKid]

I guess u could say my dad was my first true "sponsor." He paid for the majority of my stuff.

Yeah, im hoping to go pro after highschool.

Steven Stewart,
GS Racing Team

[UberGamer256]

Stewie has Skillz! lol! Best of luck to ya man! Keep representing GS ;)

BTW guys.. RC Discounters (http://www.rcdiscounters.com) now has the GS Vision - Fioroni stuff. Looks good!

[modelcar]

Ot-VS01

[modelcar]

OT-VS02

[modelcar]

OT-VS10
4mm Ergal chassis - more strong & 25 grams more light than original (prototipe shown)

[modelcar]

OT-VS07
Flywheel & Carbon Flywheel Centax Style for Vision Power-clutch: very easy adjustement and powerful clutch system.

[UberGamer256]

Vision Pro Race Results-

Region 12 Championships, Compton CA- Factory Driver Craig Tasker bumps from the C to the A to and places 4th overall in a field of over 50 drivers. Craig was on the drivers stand for over 90 minutes, with no problems with the car.

Fall Championship, Revelation Track- Factory Drivers Craig Tasker and Tracy Grieger place 6th and 5th respectively. Both drivers using Fioroni foam touring tires.

4 Aces Club Race, Silverbowl- Las vegas- Garen Hagobian drives his Fioroni equipped Vision car to victory. This was the first time out with the soon to be avaiable Fioroni blade front sway bar and Fioroni chassis components. Tires were also by Fioroni.

Michigan Onroad Racing League in Adrian MI-Lazer speedway. Team Driver Steven Stewart wins the A main by 2 laps over second. His car is virtually box stock.

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1:10 200mm French Championship (last round) :

TQ for Seb Leonard with the Vision Pro

Results after the Main:

2sd Philippe LACHAT (GS)
4th Seb Leonard (GS)
8th Cedric Roulleau (GS)

http://www.gs-europe.com

[modelcar]

OT-VS10

[modelcar]

OT-VS03

[modelcar]

OT-VS04 + OT-VS05

[modelcar]

OT-VS06

[modelcar]

OT-VS08 POWER CLUTCH - CARBON (LEFT)
OT-VS11 POWER CLUTCH - ERGAL (RIGHT)
OT-VS09 POWER CLUTCH - TEFLON/GLASS (NOT SHOWN)

[modelcar]

OT-MA02 Powerful Pipe for .12

[Dava]

Modelcar,

I would prefer a front one way instead of another chassis. Do you think the front one way will be available soon?

[modelcar]

I don't know, I've only see a prototype mounted into a Vision Pro of Fioroni factory driver.
Probably it will release in a few time.

bye,
Modelcar

[Archerboi]

I was considering this car since it seems pretty good. I was wondering has anyone had any problems with little rocks getting into the belts. I plan to run this in the street and parking lots. Thanks in advance.

[Morpehus2be]

Originally posted by Archerboi
I was considering this car since it seems pretty good. I was wondering has anyone had any problems with little rocks getting into the belts. I plan to run this in the street and parking lots. Thanks in advance.

All belt driven cars share this 'weakness'. You can use aluminium option parts. But that's about it....else, try to find paved surfaces.:D :D

[Archerboi]

I thought so. The thing is, the car would be going very fast, and perhaps the small pebbles would bounce off from the belts and sprockets. I like this car, it seems pretty well built for the price and all.

[JWF_FRANI]

ive raced against craig and tracy at revalations and thier
cars look pretty good.

[Archerboi]

Were can you get the Vision Pro at for a good price? Like what online hobby shops have them? My LHS does not. Thanks.

[Dava]

You can find the car in:
http://www.horizonhobby.com

And optional parts in:
http://www.rcdiscounters.com

Bye.

[TalleyRacing2]

Any new info on a front oneway, solid rear axle, or lowered front body mount for a Lola style body? I'm wanting to do some open class racing on a big track, and at least need to be able to put a lola body and oneway in. Also, are there any 2 shoe clutch style 2 speeds that will fit the Vision?

[rc4me2]

anyone care to comment on this car?

how does it stack up againts trinity's, mugens, and serpents?

thanks

[puma1824]

Originally posted by rc4me2
anyone care to comment on this car?

how does it stack up againts trinity's, mugens, and serpents?

thanks

Anyone?

[rcabj]

hello...

recently i broke my uni shaft...like to know
if it is possible to replace them with 'dog bone system'.

If it is possible, is there other parts that is also involve due to the modification...
thanks....

[rc4me2]

does the vision pro include just the header, or header and pipe together?

if just the header, is it a basic one designed to be coupled by silicone tube?

as for sealed gear diffs...any leaking problems?...
does it include a one-way or ball diffs?

any info and comments would be appreciated....
i cant decide b/t a number of different cars

thanks

[KawadaKid]

Archerboi- I Ran this car all last summer here in Michigan on parkinglot surfaces to smooth permanent tracks and only once did i have a rock in my belt. All i had to do was roll the car backwards to loosten it and off i went.

Talley Racing 2- Fioroni is working on a oneway and solid axle and will be out in the near future. I dont know of any lowered body mounts. Maybe Kawahara parts will fit...Not sure.

RC4me2- I ran The Vision Pro stock here in Michigan and raced very competitively at my local track and accross the state. The car is very smooth and easy to drive right out of the box.

The car includes a rear exhaust round port style header designed to be coupled with a Silicone Coupler (included). There is no pipe included but i recomend a Fioroni Power pipe (part # ot-ma02).

The car includes sealed gear diffs. No ball diffs available. I wouldnt recomend them anyways. No oneway included. Fioroni is coming out with one shortly. I filled my Diffs at the begining of the season and never took them apart. They held the oil very well.

Anything else you would like to ask, feel free to email me.
KawadaKid@hotmail.com

RCabj-I also had a problem with the drive shafts in the front. If you remove the set screw from the cvd and take the bone out there is a slot to put a dogbone in. I dont know what size dogbone you will need or if it is available. I think you would be better off ordering replacements of the stock drive units.

Steven Stewart,
GS Racing Team

[rcabj]

hello...kawadakid...i have replaced those uni drive shaft with dogbone including the (i don't know what's the name, but after i dissamble the uni drive shaft u get 2 major parts..the shaft and the housing...) so the housing is a new one that comes one set with the dogbone...

it fits better then the original housing but its longer by 1 mm...so i get this 1mm gap each side..
also need to drill a bit the hexgon thing where the tires go in...well thats about all...

i've tried out a few runs with the new
dbone and so far the car responses seems to be the same like before...
so i guess i won't get to worry about the front shaft being broken again...only the rear ones..heheh...

for precautions i secure the dbone to the shock tower with a cable tie so if it were to come off
it'll be hanging around...ok..bye

[rc4me2]

being a team driver, i'd expect you to know
having contacted horizon, i'd also expect them to know

they claim it includes manifold AND pipe...anyone wanna comment?

how durable is this car?
and how easily / readily available are parts in most hobbyshops?

are they uncommon like serpent or mugen, or abundant like trinity and associated and losi

thanks

[CrazRC-Nitro]

Originally posted by rc4me2
anyone care to comment on this car?

how does it stack up againts trinity's, mugens, and serpents?

thanks

The GS Vision car is actually quite decent, but you would have to spend hundreds upon hundreds to get it at that quality. If you are talking about out-of-the-box comparison with Serpent, Trinity (sucks compared to the Vision Pro), and Mugens, I would say that Serpent and Mugen are better out of the box. However, Team Associated is THE best 1/10 scale car out there. It is so easy to tune, and driving it is a blast! The GS Vision Pro car is a work of art. I would say that it is Second to AE's NTC3. For a Serpent, you will spend a month building it since the quality control team at Serpent is currently in a coma. You have to modify parts like mad to make them work. Mugens are, well, Mugens. They are OK. Not a big fan of Asian produced cars because they are mass produced at rip off prices for mass production. If you dont believe me, go to Asia one day, and look at their prices compared to ours.

I tried to keep my comment as neutral as possible about the Vision Pro. I think it is a wonderful car. I am a 1/8 scale driver and own 2 SMP Slides (Best cars on earth) and 1 Serpent Veteq 2002 (Going to see how it fares against SMP Slides). I will get back into 1/10 scale one day. But I know if I do, it will be a GS Vision Pro 2 in my possesion. =)

[CrazRC-Nitro]

Originally posted by rc4me2
being a team driver, i'd expect you to know
having contacted horizon, i'd also expect them to know

they claim it includes manifold AND pipe...anyone wanna comment?

how durable is this car?
and how easily / readily available are parts in most hobbyshops?

are they uncommon like serpent or mugen, or abundant like trinity and associated and losi

thanks

Yes, the kit does contain a manifold and pipe. Our store carries the kits with the pipe and manifold.

The car is quite durable once Fioroni parts are used. Out of the box, it may withstand a couple "pillow" hits to the wall.

Parts availability depends on the availability of the distributor. My store rarely has GS parts in stock because our distributor does not have the parts that often. And no, they are not in most hobby shops because they prefer HPI. Don't ask why.

GS Visions are uncommon. Most hobby stores have not realised their potential yet.

Your welcome! =)

[KawadaKid]

Originally posted by rc4me2
being a team driver, i'd expect you to know
having contacted horizon, i'd also expect them to know

they claim it includes manifold AND pipe...anyone wanna comment?

how durable is this car?
and how easily / readily available are parts in most hobbyshops?

are they uncommon like serpent or mugen, or abundant like trinity and associated and losi

thanks

If you are talking about the Vision Pro Kit, Mine did not include a pipe. Im really not sure about the standard kit.

My hobby shop does not carry Vision parts but it is not hard for them to order them.

RCabj- I hope that setup works out for you. I have not had a problem with breaking rear drives so dont worry about them.

[rcabj]

hello..guys...

just wanted to share with u guys my achivement
in ky first ever official race 1/10 nitro race...

the track

not so technical but the timber planks used for the track was quite dangerous if u ever feeling
like kissing one of them...

the surface was so smooth (actually the track was on a tennis court that was going to be upgraded later on)

on the day of the practice session..a couple of
the guys tried out different range and type of tyres...foam tyres were definitely out of the list.
rubber/slick tyres seems to be more suitable..

so the day came at last...there were at least 40 drivers...and were divided to 5 groups and i was on the A group...u should know how i felt for a novice...

so ok..i'll try to shorten this essay of mine..

there were 3 heats/per 5 minute each :

1st heat...i was no 4 with 11 laps
(i was very nervous and so careful)
2nd heat... 2nd position with 15 laps
3rd heat... 3rd position with 15 laps -at this stage i was buliding my confidence and handling)

after the heat was over i was hoping at least i'll get into the c main...but to my astonishment
i was in the B main...

so the time came again the B main...on the fisrt
15 minutes it was going really great ,i could even hear the announcement announcing i was behind the leader by one lap ( he was 53 laps )and after that
something happen where i went and slam under the 2" x 3" timber stuck ...my pitman races to the car
i broke half of the tank cover...and the steering servo acting weirdly...but i still continue the race...some how i was able to finish the race with 64 laps..(fuel wis all over my car)- the top guy was 74.

anyway i was still happy even though i could have
finish at least 3rd...but this is experience...
i think i was too excited and eager which force me to do silly mistake before slam the timber...well at least for a 1st timer...
getting to the B main was a bonus...

the heat was 25 minutes long...and it was the best ever driving... sorry guys for the long essay...
my setup...

my GS was stock out of the box with my OS 12 tr
plus i used HPI 35R with hard insert front and medium rear...the front shock was hard..and
the rear was medium...


thanks ...need to get a new tank later

(one of the best stuff on the track was coming into the tightest turn (where the transponder sensors were) and going on the main long stretch with full throttle and just before the right hander releasing the throttle with no brakes and full throttle again into the 2nd medium stretch)

glad to have shared this experience with u guys and sorry 4 this long long message guys....

[rcabj]

forgot to mention mostly the other drivers were either using the serpents, V 1rr, thunder tiger
and GS....there were only three GS if i am not mistaken...and 1 of them was the A main champ...

[KawadaKid]

Way to go! Im very glad to see the Vision becoming popular at the track. Keep up the good work.

Anybody else with questions/coments, be sure to ask or tell me about it.

Steven S.,
GS Racing Team

[Dava]

Kawadakid,

In the pictures I saw of the Vision in this same forum the car has 30mm rear tires, but in my car I have to modify the rear hubs to put them and obviously they get weaker and break. Which is the best way to do this? Do you know if there is an optional part to put 30mm rear tires without modifications?

Thank you.
David.

[KawadaKid]

I guess my first question is what kind of tires are you using? I had no problem with Fioroni 30mm tires all year. I didnt have to make a modification. The only thing I can suggest is to try a different tire. I highly recomend Fioroni tires.

Steven S.,
GS Racing Team

[rcabj]

i was having a bit of a problem regarding
the thrust bearing for the centax clutch
where it will break sooner or later and this cost money...heh

last week i met somebody who changes the centax clutch to the old system' using the clutch bell
with 3 piece shoes for bashing or practice...he uses the centax only for races...

why didnt't i think of this before...heh

[KawadaKid]

I gave that a try. I put a Mugen clutch on my car but im using the Fioroni one now with the aluminum clutch pad.

[lxlaw]

I have a GS Vision Pro for sale, it has been completely assembled but has never been run. It has an RB .12 engine w/SG crank and a trinity receiver pack, a Futaba S9405 steering servo and a standard Futaba S3003 throttle servo. Has new foams on the car and an extra set of foams still in the package for the car.

Paid $320 + tax for the car
Paid $190 + tax for the motor
Paid $95 + tax for the servo
Paid $32 + tax for the receiver pack
Paid $20 + tax for the throttle servo
Paid $58 + tax for the extra set of tires
Paid $30 + tax for the pipe

This car has not had one drop of gas in the car, it is just like buying one completely assembled from a hobby shop. Body has been painted and cut. Motor still needs to be broke in. I have $750+tax in the car, but i know if you order it you usually dont pay tax and you might not like my paint job. I am asking $650 for the car, similar setups are awesome and blazing fast. This is a BRAND NEW CAR!! I have pics of the stuff and more in depth detail if needed, my email is lxlaw@sc2000.net and phone is 956-457-1101

[lxlaw]

Well the reason guys are trying these cars over the TC3 is reliability. The TC3's are fragile. Everytime you turn around you break. So if you are a half a lap ahead, it wont matter if you get bumped into a wall and break. I am an off-road guy, and bought one of these to compete, but my 1/8 scale broke, so i need to repair it and focus on what i am decent at racing rather than something new, LOL. These have internally adjustable pistons in the shocks for easy dampening changes, a thick chassis, a truly world class car. GS really did their homework. I wish i could afford to race it, but right now i cant. Someone can really benefit if they are looking at buying a new one.

[KawadaKid]

It is a great car, I ran it all season long and didnt break one plastic part on it.

[rcabj]

yeah...been having the GS for
4 to 5 months now ,
been in 2 races and weekend bashing.
i've been in quite a few reasonable crashes
and roll over....

only broke 3 parts in this period...the steering servo saver,
the universal shaft, and the tank lid cover( this lid cover was the only broken parts when i hit
smack iinto or actually stuck under a wooden 3 by 4 timber barrier )

all this happen separately...still haven't change
the beltings....and i'm about to go in another
race this weekend....:D :cool:

[KawadaKid]

For anyone interested...
GS Racing has a New "International" website. The address is:
http://www.gsracing.com.tw
Enjoy!

[rcabj]

hello kawada kid...what motor r u using on
your vision....

[KawadaKid]

Im using a Mugen MT12 right now but I plan to move to a GS Engine.

[KawadaKid]

Check out www.gsracing.com.tw for news about the GS Vision In Florida for the 2003 Southern Gas Champs. Bobby Horan Finnished 7th in the A Main with his Vision equiped with Fioroni Option Team parts. Garen Habobian made the B and Tracey Greiger made the C. Way to go Guys!

Steven S.

[rcabj]

i'm thinking off getting a new motor for my vision..right now its powered by os 12tr..very good engine only the low end its not enough..
so either the rb x12(5 port) or novarossi rs (5 port)...hard to make
a decision between these 2...maybe anyone
can help.

[KawadaKid]

Both of those are excelent choices.

[rc_king1]

Hello my friends,
I just purchased a vision pro and have a few questions. While reading the manual, it says to use 7000 wt diff lube for the front and 3000 wt in the rear. And it also calls for 3000 wt diff lube in the shocks. What is 3000 diff lube equivilent to in shock wt oil? To me, 3000 wt looks like maybe 80 or 90 wt shock oil. I have already bought the 7 & 3000 wt diff lubes and I currently have a variety of shock wt oil from my previous cars. I was just wondering what the conversion is, or do any of you have a suggestion for a starting point for the shock wt oil? Thank you for your time.

[rc_king1]

TTT

[rc_king1]

I'm just trying to keep this at the top. What shock wt oil to start with? What shock wt. oil is equal to 3000 wt. diff lube? Thanks.

[rcabj]

hi there...

don't really know about the conversion...

but for your info i've use the 1000 cps shock oil
thats come with the kit...seems ok to me..already
went through 3 races...and there not bad...

but still u can try out those wt oils and see
if there r any difference...

bye...

don't forget those shocks r adjustable...;)

[rcabj]

i've used 3000 cps diff oil that comes with the kit initially for the front and rear diff.....

but now i'm using 50000 front and 10000 cps
rear...

..anyway enjoy the car...it's worth it...

[KawadaKid]

I ran 60w oil all the way round in my shocks, and 50,000 diff lube in the front and 5,000 in the back diff. I dont know any conversion. Try GS Red springs in front and GS Blue springs in back. Stock sway bar in back and Fioroni blade sway bar recomended for the front. Any other questions email me, i should be able to get ur car pretty well hooked up.

Steven S.,
GS Racing Team

[rc_king1]

Hey guys, thanks for all the input.

[roxx]

I just purchased a Vision Pro today and i am going to start the assembly tonite! Any tips or hints besides what is in the manual? Thanks for your time!

[KawadaKid]

Be sure to super glue the brake pad material to the "calipers". This will help prevent brake fadeing. Also, make sure that u use the softer of the two springs when building the clutch and apply thread locking compound to the clutch adjustment nut.

Any other questions be sure to E-mail me at KawadaKid@hotmail.com

Steven S.,
GS Racing Team

[rc_king1]

KawadaKid, why do you say to use the softer spring for the clutch?

[KawadaKid]

I was told by Garen from General Silicones a while back to use the softer spring so that is what I will recomend. The hard one does not work properly sometimes, or at least the ones included in earlier kits.

Steven S.,
GS Racing Team

[rc_king1]

Another question for you. When measuring the width of the car(200 mm), do I measure it with the tires on or do I leave the tires off and just measure axle tip to axle tip?

[KawadaKid]

First, i would find the center of the car then measure from the center to the outside of the wheel then do the same to the other side. Its key to makesure that its even on both sides.

[sofa]

Has anyone had a problem with the rear dogbones being to long? Using the factory settings, the pivot balls are in to far, causing the bone to hit against the diff when the bone is level, and not allowing the arm to go up any further.
Am I missing something?

[KawadaKid]

Hmm, This is a new one to me....:confused:

I would try using settings other than the manual and re check ur width and toe in the back. If changing that doesnt help, E-mail me and i can help you furthermore.

Steven S.,
GS Racing Team

[Dava]

I realize the same problem in my car. If you want to make your car less than 200 mm in the rear, the dogbones hit against the diff when the suspension travels downwards. It helps removing some material in the pivot balls making them flat.

[KawadaKid]

Well the car was built to be run at 200mm width. Every setup i have produced or seen has called for the car being as wide as legaly possible....200mm. Remember Ponitiac....Wider Is Better. Why do u run ur car less than 200mm?

Steven S.,
GS Racing Team

[rcabj]

i'm not talking about the shore here...

u see the kit comes with foam tires that's equal
width front and rear...(26 mm )

then there's another combo like 26mm front and 30
mm rear....

so which is better especially for this gs car since it came stock with the first combo..

thanks...;)

[KawadaKid]

I ran the car on either, usualy it just depended what GS Had available. The 30mm tires give u more traction in theory simpley because they have a bigger foot-print or contact patch. I would say the advantage is most noticable in strait line traction. Any other questions feel free to e-mail me.

Steven S.,
GS Racing Team

[stealthpenguin]

Hey, I just bought a brand new Vision off of eBay for $180, and I was wondering which engine I should get?

Fantom FR15
Picco P-15 RR
Picco TP135
RB X15

Fantom FR12
Mugen MT 12
NovaMega SX 12RE
Novarossi RS 12
OS 12 TR
RB X12
Orion .12 Turbo
Top TT 12
Picco TP100

Thanks

[KawadaKid]

Woah, those are all great choices, u really cant go wrong with any of them. Personaly i run the MT12 but i think im going to the GS V12.

[rc_king1]

Has anyone tried to use parts from the MTX-2 on their cars yet? Parts like front bumper, diffs or any other parts from other cars? I ask this because I would like a larger front bumper and if it fit, I could even buy the front bumper from Kawahara and use their Lola body on my car. Just curious. Thanks

[KawadaKid]

I dont know if there is any parts compatability with any other cars. why do u want a larger bumper?

Steven S.,
GS Racing Team

[rc_king1]

The larger front bumper would help protect the steering knuckles better. And the bumper that is made for the Lola body is a low profile design.

[KawadaKid]

Hmm, I havent had any problem with the stock bumper. In fact ive never broken anything but CVD's.

Steven S.,
GS Racing Team

[rc_king1]

Kawadkid, how did you break the cvd's?

[KawadaKid]

I hit wooden racing borders a couple times and they twisted. The new ones are a bunch stronger thow, so u shouldnt have a problem.

Steven S.,
GS Racing team

[factry-team]

hey, i own a vision RTR and i was wondering if the power clutch of the vision pro would fit on my engine??? also, does anyone know of any rear exhaust pullstart engines besides the V12RSX and the fantom FR12

Thanx, Factry-Team
ive enclosed a pic of my vision, that novamega pipe is brand new!

[factry-team]

hey, i own a vision RTR and i was wondering if the power clutch of the vision pro would fit on my engine??? also, does anyone know of any rear exhaust pullstart engines besides the V12RSX and the fantom FR12

Thanx, Factry-Team
ive enclosed a pic of my vision,

[KawadaKid]

It should fit just as long as you have the right nut on ur crank. Thats going to depend on what type of crank you have, SG or standard.

Steven S.,
GS Racing Team

[rc_king1]

Off the top of your head, what is the compound of the tires that comes with the Vision Pro? Thanks

[KawadaKid]

42 fonts, 40 rears.

[rc_king1]

thank you

[puma1824]

Decided not to keep :(

My GS Vsion Pro for only $189.00 shipped (LINK) (http://www.radiocontrolzone.com/forums/showthread.php?s=&threadid=122248)

[KawadaKid]

Congratulations To Garen Hagobian of GS Racing for his awsome finnish at the 2003 Speedline GranPrix in Las vegas

Final Results for .12 Touring Are...

2003 Speedline hosted by 4 Aces Racing Assoc. April 14, 2003
Race# 17 -- .12 Sedan - A MAIN --
pos Car Laps time name
1 2 122 40:14.38 Robbie Collins
2 4 120 40:01.79 Ron Rossetti
3 6 120 40:02.38 Jason Ashton
4 7 118 40:00.14 Josh Cyrul
5 117 40:02.87 Tim Bump
6 12 113 40:18.21 Garen Hagobian<---GS Vision Pro
7 10 112 40:08.23 Chad Bradley
8 3 107 36:23.03 Tony Neisinger
9 11 100 40:19.12 Gil Losi, Jr.
10 8 78 29:14.97 Richard Saxton
11 1 34 11:14.52 Barry Baker
12 9 19 12:31.01 Brad Toffelmire

[KawadaKid]

Finnaly got some pics of my ride. All the options are Fioroni.

Woops, next post...Sorry.

[KawadaKid]

.....

[KawadaKid]

NM, it wont let me post them.

[stealthpenguin]

I just got a GS Vision Pro, and a Rossi .12 Pixy.

What pipe do you recommend?

[KawadaKid]

Im running a nova "s" pipe...I dunno, thats what the box says. Its the skinny one they used to make. Its part #51601.

ANy questions feel free to ask, thats why im here.

Steven S.,
GS Racing Team.

[garen]

Hey Guys- I finally got a user name and found this forum. I won't have much time to come back and check, so if anyone has any questions about the Vision, please email me and I'll try to answer asap. Also, if you want some setups, email me your fax number, and I'll fax over some sheets. We are trying to get our setups on PDF format.......
I'll check back here once in a while...

[crackerjack]

What's a good pipe to use with the Vision? I'll be running an Ofna/Picco .12.

Thanks

[nitrothugg]

hello guys, just wanted to say whats up. i just got me a vision for $218 and i'm pretty excited. i'll keep you all posted on my car!

[KawadaKid]

Cracker Jack- I really like the Nova pipes except that they are a little soft. The Trinity one pieces are nice but pricey. Look around and im sure u will find something to suite ur needs.

Nitro Thugg- Good to see that you made the right choice with the vision! Hope it goes together alright, if not, both me and Garen are on here to help.

[nitrothugg]

where are you guys getting your fioroni option parts? please steer me in the right direction.

[KawadaKid]

If your LHS can get GS Products they should be able to get Fioroni, as General Silicones Group is the US distributer.

[Jitters]

OK, I really like road cars. I have 2 V1R's. I'm looking at the Vision Pro and at an 1/8th scale Neo Nitro Saber. Which one should I consider? I know zip about the Neo line of cars. I realize that they're 2 different kinds of vehicles. Where I live there are no tracks or LHS's. So it's just street racin'
Appreciate any helpful opinions on the matter.:cool:

[garen]

For street use, both cars are very good. 1/8th cars are generally faster, but may be a little harder to handle on the street with foam tires.

[garen]

Fioroni parts are available through any dealer listed at www.generalsilicones.com, or email me for some suggestions.

[home-boy-162001]

I would you,
is vision pro user friendly, like the NTC3 or is it more like the serpents.
and how is the handling

[nitrothugg]

i like it a lot. it was a pain to build though because the screw holes were extra tight. i guess thats a good thing though. i had to pull out my electric screw driver.

to those of you who have built it, please tell me i'm not the only one who had trouble putting on those "c" clips for the 2 spur gears. those things were super hard to put on :mad: i managed to get them on but i was tempted to toss it at one point. i hope i never have to take that whole piece apart.

i know i'm going to love this car, i know i'll like it better then the ntc3 i had because there is no slop in the steering or suspension like the ntc3 had. also, i love the fact that they give out a lot of plastic spacers so that your setup up is more precise and you dont have to rely so heavily on setup boards and gauges. now i'm waiting for my xxtra to arrive so i can take it for my first spin.

good job GS :D

[KawadaKid]

Yeah, those C-clips are tough. I highly recomend going to the car parts store and buying a good c-clip spreader tool. they are like pliers but they have small little tips that fit in the C-clips holes and when you squeez, they open. Probably run you $15-$25.

[nitrothugg]

yeah, i knew there might be some sort of tool for that. i bent one side and placed it on the housing, then pulled the other over with a needle nose.

also, have any of you tried that side exhaust manifold that trinity made for the reflex? kyosho has one for the v1rr also. anyway, i ordered one to see if it will fit the vp since all three have similar engine layouts.

[garen]

The correct tool is called a Snap Ring Plier. You can get a cheap one for $2-$3 at Harbor Frieght, or get a good one with extra tips, and will last you forever from Home Depot or OSH for $15-$20.
All the plastic screw holes are triangle shaped, and although it makes for a longer building time, the chances of a screw coming loose are reduced. Regardless, fast building time does not equate to fast lap times.
I don't think you will be able to fit a side exhaust engine/header in the Vision Pro.

[Jitters]

Garen's right about the pliers. Also, tight screw holes shouldn't be attacked with an electric screwdriver. You can put beeswax on the screw to make it easier or, more properly, tap out the hole first. LHS have small tap & die sets that are just right for building kits. $5 or $6 spent on a $300-$700 kit makes sense.

IMO, building a kit is 90% of the fun. If you take shortcuts you'll never really be pleased with your work and it will bite you in the ass later. In my case, I enjoy really complex models. That's why I have 7 helicopters built, but I'm too busy to fly them cuz I'm back to building RC cars.

Take pride in your work then, when your at the track or just bashing, you'll know that your machine won't break or fly apart like some other players out there.

That's my 2 cents worth, getting off the soapbox now.:cool:

[KawadaKid]

Thanx Garen, i couldnt remember what those were called. Its worth the extra money to get a good pair.

[nitrothugg]

tried the manifold and you're right it wont fit. the engine sits too low so it wont clear the belt tension brace.

ohh...about the electric screw driver, yeah i know its kind of taboo when building rc's but the palm of my right hand started killing me :(

[Jitters]

Your right hand huh, what did your mother say about that?:D

[KawadaKid]

Nitro thug, Unfourtunetly thats only avoidable if u wear gloves or something.

[darkangel]

What reciever batteries are you using for the Vision Pro? I want to try the Team Orion 1200 mah Marathon pack but not sure what size they are.

[KawadaKid]

Dynamite 1100 i think.

If u guys want to see some pics of my stuff (alot of my vision) and some random shots, ive got them up at...
http://community.webshots.com/album/76213662YUoPXv/0

[rc_king1]

A while back someone said that Fiorni parts were available at rcdiscounters.com but now they are nolonger online. I've checked with my LHS to see if they can get the hop up parts for the Vision but they said their distributor (Horizon) doesn't offer any Fiorni parts. So my question is this; where online can I go to order these parts? Thank you.

[darkangel]

I'm having the same problems finding the Fioroni stuff.

What foam wheels and tires are you using both company and size? The stock tires (26 mm) are either rubbing or close to it. I would like to run wider tires, like 28 mm front and 30 mm in the rear (which are sizes that are track uses and sells).

[KawadaKid]

I use Arrows or Fioroni tires. I use 26mm 42 fronts and 30mm 40 rears.

[crackerjack]

I'm building my pro and the front diff won't stop leaking diff oil. Is this common?

[KawadaKid]

No, mine dont leak a bit. Make sure the gasket is lined up with the pegs on the diff case and make sure its screwed down tight.

[rc_king1]

TTT

[darkangel]

What tool do you use to adjust the centax clutch? I don't have anything small enough to fit in that hole.

[KawadaKid]

I took wrench of mine and put it on my stone griding wheel and ground it down till it fit in the hole nicely.

[rc_king1]

Does anyone know where I can purchase Fiorni parts for the vision?

[garen]

A 1.5mm wrench is normally used on most centax type clutch systems to externally adjust the spring tension.
Email me for Fioroni dealers.
If your diffs are leaking oil, you either built them incorrectly or put too much oil inside.

[crackerjack]

OK...I'm trying to put my 2 speed together, but it looks like I don't have enough shaft to put the shim and the e-clip on. What do I do now?

[KawadaKid]

Could you explain your problem with a little bit more detail? I dont quite understand what that the problem is?:confused:

[crackerjack]

It's as if the lay shaft is too short. When I put the two speed on, there is no room left for the shim and e-clip. The shim ends up being flush with the end of the shaft.

As far as I can tell, I have the shaft as far over as it can go.

[KawadaKid]

The pulley/rotor may be to far over on the shaft. Loosen the set screw and try to slide the shaft over.

[rcabj]

hello..

i just change to a new rbproducts manifold....

after putting it on i find that the belt is touching the manifold

a bit....what should i do to distance them a bit....

if i move the motor to the left than the pinion gears would not be in line with the spur gear...any ideas...

ps- in case u were wonderin why i change the manifold..cause the rb's is bigger diameter than the gs manifold...i wanted
more torque u see...

thanks...:D

[crackerjack]

KawadaKid - I tried that. It appears that the shaft is just too short. The manuel says that it is 118 mm. My calipers say mine is 113 mm. Called Horizon Hobbies and they have a new one on the way.

[KawadaKid]

CrackerJack- Wow, thats VERY weird. Sorry your having prolems.:(

RCAbj- I would move the belt tensioner down and see if u can get the belt out of harms way, OR just go to the GS manifold. Im running the GS Manifold...?

[crackerjack]

Can someone please explain how exactly you adjust the clutch and how it affects performance?

Thanks

[KawadaKid]

U need a 1.5mm wrench to put into the hole one your clutch bell. Turn the flywheel over until the wrench slides into the notch on the clutch nut. Turn the Flywheel clockwise to lossen the clutch nut (makes the clutch engage quicker) or counter clockwise to tighten the clutch nut (makes the clutch engage later).

[crackerjack]

Thanks for the quick reply. This is the first car I've had with this type of clutch and I'm a little clueless about it.

[KawadaKid]

Yep, No problem. The centax style is a little more complicated but the benefits are incredible.

[Enrique.v]

Originally posted by KawadaKid
I have been running this car for GS for about a month and I LOVE IT! Its so easy to drive and so easy to set up. Ive been doing realy well at my local club on fioroni tires and a mugen MT12 Engine. Anyone want a low bite asphalt set up give me a shout.

Steven S.

Hook it up :)
I dont know much about these cars so it will be help

thanks

[KawadaKid]

WOA thats a long time ago! Ive been with GS for a year and a half now. Um...U see, the thing is...i lost all my setups when my computer crashed a while back...and i havent written them all down again. I know Garen was supposed to get some of his up soon. I dunno, shoot me an E-mail some time and i can help u out.

[Enrique.v]

Its me NTRACER619 Just IM me when you get a setup back online.

I hope to run this Car next week but waiting on my new JP 12 engine to arrive so i can break it in:)

[darkangel]

Garen or Kawadakid,

Have either one of heard of if/when GS or Fioroni will release a front one-way or solid rear? I know you have this question a lot so any news would be appreciated.

Thanks

Enrique, I hope you enjoy the car. I am currently break-in a RB X-12, so my first race with the car is July 20.

[Enrique.v]

darkangel-I'm guessing your running on a pretty big track since your asking about a 1way and solid rear axle..But I run on small parking lot tracks so i'm going to experiment with a solid front axle since it worked well on the Impulse/705.

[Enrique.v]

Originally posted by darkangel
What reciever batteries are you using for the Vision Pro? I want to try the Team Orion 1200 mah Marathon pack but not sure what size they are.


I'm also going to try and fit in AAA size batts to try and save weight..you should think about doing the same as well;)

[darkangel]

It's pretty good sized, 175 ft X 90 ft. I'll be racing at MHOR in denver on August 3, but their on road track will fit inside the one I normally race on. Most of the top guys are running front ways, and only one is running both the one-way and solid rear. I'm just wanting more options as I might race at the Paris Memorial in Las Vegas if goes this year.

[Enrique.v]

Locally I run on pretty small tracks..But I will try the car out on a huge track pretty soon. www.KZSpeedway.com

[darkangel]

I thought of that, but wanted to go rechargeable so I can save a little money on batteries. Mounting them might be more of a hassle then it's worth.

[Enrique.v]

Originally posted by darkangel
I thought of that, but wanted to go rechargeable so I can save a little money on batteries. Mounting them might be more of a hassle then it's worth.

? They are rechargeable...:confused:


Havent Built the car yet. But they should fit, I'm thinking 2x2x1


..
..
.

[darkangel]

Pretty nice track. Ours is temp., so we have to set it up on every race day. I don't mind, at least the track changes, some-what. Always a long back straight into a sweeper. That's what we get for playing with 1/8 scales.

[darkangel]

2x2x1? I think that's a bit big. The battery casing is something like, 2. x .75 x 1.25. I ended up using the Team Orion 1100 mah micro pack, and moving one battery so they are in straight line. Perfect fit.

[Enrique.v]

Just like those little dots i placed in the top post i made.

I'm not sure if iam going to use that gas tank..But making a new RX batt mount should make the batts fit.

[Enrique.v]

Oh yea, there is enough space from the pics i saw on the 1st page of the thread.;)

[darkangel]

Garen or Kawadakid,

Any word on a front one-way and a solid rear? Just being curious

[garen]

Front one ways are on their way, should be in the States very soon.
I don't know if a rear solid axle will be made available. We tested with a solid rear and our results are mixed. You can easily make one out of the diff in your car, email me to find out how.

[crackerjack]

1. Does anyone use an AMB personal tansponder? If so, can you post a pick of where you mount it?

2. This pivot ball suspension is new to me. I understand that you use the clips so that you know that the balls are set equal on both sides, but do you still need a gauge to set everything up? For example, if I have a 2mm camber clip in the bottom front and a 1mm clip in the top, how do I know how many degrees of camber I have?

Thanks

[darkangel]

I just got my AMB transponder today. I mounted it inbetween the front uprights with the cord going through the front shock tower and underneath the sway-bar.

I tried using the camber clips, but they kept on falling off. Just be sure to keep both sides equal (use a ruler or caliper). Hudy, Integy, and Fioroni all make decent set-up fixtures. Don't have one yet but will in near future.

[garen]

You can tape or glue the AMB to the side of your throttle servo. You can also purchase a AMB mount from Team Jibroni (sorry don't have the info with me). This mount clips to the existing mount and holds the new AMB's in place.
You do not need a gauge if you use the clips, but you should have at least a cheap camber gauge (RPM, etc.) Set your front camber so that the tires wear flat, often there is no need to measure the camber. Set the toe in the rear using the clips, and again, set the camber so that the tires wear flat. You can get a setup gauge to check the rear toe, but again, set it so that you have enough rear grip.
These clips should not fall out, if they are you are doing something wrong....don't tighten the pivot balls so that they squeeze the clips out of place.

[crackerjack]

Garen - thanks for the info on the transponder mount. I'll look for one. As far as the camber clips, how do I know how much camber each clip will give me, or is it trial and error.

Thanks

[KawadaKid]

your best bet is to get a camber gage. The RPM one is good and is no more than $10. Use the clips on the bottom piviot balls just to make sure the cars width is even on both sides, then use the gage to check your camber.

[crackerjack]

Thanks - That's what I thought would be the easiest. I already have the gauge, so that will work. Like I said, this pivot ball stuff is new to me.

[KawadaKid]

Piviot balls can be confusing at first, but you will love them.

[rcabj]

1. if the thrust bearing is still in place ( i mean all the small balls) is still intact , is it considered still okay, and

2. if its ok...does the wearing out of the washer( inside and outside off the bearing effects the performance..?


u see i am having problem the 2 speed enganging pretty quickk....from my past experience 2 things that causes the quick shifting is either broken thrust bearing or the spring tension inside of the 2 speed ishifting no longer good. got to change to new spring.

thanks.....

[crackerjack]

Well, I finished putting my Pro together tonight. The only thing I have left to do is cut the mounting and cooling holes in the body. Hopefully I'll be able to start breaking it in tomorrow.

Here's a pic of the body.

http://www.******.net/view_single.php?medid=7109

I think it turned out OK for a can job.

[garen]

Team Jibroni email: ddprecision@aol.com
I don't know what else they make other than the personal transponder mount.

[rcabj]

any tips for long life of thrust bearing.

[garen]

If the thrust bearing balls are in place, the bearing is likely still good. I don't know what you can do to the clutch to make the thrust washers wear out. I have never experienced poor shifting because of the thrust bearing going bad.
Keep the thrust bearing greased, leave a little play for the clutchbell, and you'll be fine.

[crackerjack]

First, My clutch was engaging almost immediately, and then it wouldn't disengage. Now, it engages properly about 2-3 times then starts to slip. I've been told that the centax style clutches need to "break in", but I feel like I'm chasing the setting around. Anyone have any suggestions?

Thanks

[darkangel]

i haven't any problems with mine. what spring are you using? I'm using the 1.4 mm spring on mine with the adjustment 11.8 mm from the end of the sg shaft. It'll engage about 1/4 throttle every time. never had any problems with it not un-engaging.

[Finken]

Hi

I have a Novarossi S3, with inline pipe, and
the belt is touching the manifold when mounted????

Anyone else have this problem? And how can i solve it?

[KawadaKid]

The car somes with a belt tensioner. increasing the tension on the belt should eliminate your problem.

[Finken]

bur it still touches the manifold??

[NMT_RACER_BOY]

it is your inline pipe.
you need one that clears the belt

[KawadaKid]

are you using the stock manifold?

[crackerjack]

Well, I think I finally got the Pro broken in and running pretty good. The biggest problem I had was setting up the clutch, but now it takes off like a rocket. I'm still fine tuning the suspension, but I have finished 3rd in the last two weeks of racing. Once I get it dialed in, I know I'll be in the mix for the top spot.

Thanks to Garen and Kawadakid for their help.

[rc_king1]

I have a gearing question for those who race their VP. This weekend, I am racing in Vacaville California on a newly built perm. race track behind the Old Nut Tree. The track is 100 x 200 feet (straight will be 190 feet), I will be running the VP in the open class with an OS .12 Turbo engine. My question is this, what would be a good starting point for gearing? I haven't been to the track yet, but I'm pretty sure that with the stock gearing, I will top out well before the end of the straight. Thanks.

[garen]

Hard to tell, but try 14/18 47/43 as a starting point.

[rc_king1]

Thank you

[rc_king1]

Thank you very much. The gearing suggestion that you recommended worked perfectly. I ended up getting a second place finish in the A-Main.

[darkangel]

congrads. i tried that gearing on my track, going to go one tooth up on second spur and one tooth down on first spur gear. Wasn't getting to speed quick enough.

[KawadaKid]

I went up one on my second gear pinion.

[rc_king1]

The gearing that Garen mentioned shouldn't have affected your take off. It was suppose to increase the top end of the car. The standard gearing was topping out approx. 3/4 of the way down the straight. And with the change, I was topping out just before the sweeper. The car had great top end.

The gearing that was recommended is the opposite of what you are saying. Yes, the second gears were affected, but the pinion went up one tooth and the spur went down one tooth, wich will increase the top end. What you described would decrease the top end. Is that what you meant?

KawadaKid has the right idea for more top end.

Let's keep up this forum because it is very informative. Garen, one last thing. Thank you for the info on the front way. I had my LHS check on them and they are available for $50. I was able to get a part number for the locked rear diff also, but it isn't available yet.

[darkangel]

my current gearing is what garen had suggested. but i plan on moving to 14/18 and 46/44 so i can get a little more speed on the infield and get up to speed a little quicker on the back straight. the back straight on the track i run on is a little bit shorter (about 25 ft shorter) than the track you run on. and i have to contend with high altitude robbing a little power from the engine. You can get the front one-way from Horizon for $44.

[rc_king1]

Thanks for the info on the front one-way.

[garen]

"but i plan on moving to 14/18 and 46/44 so i can get a little more speed on the infield and get up to speed a little quicker on the back straight."
the 18/44 combo will work on a shorter track, but the 14/46 will give you less infield "pop" compared to a 14/47. Also your gear mesh might be a little hard to set just right.

[rcabj]

hi...u guys had any problem with the gs finger type tranny.

i.ve had twice change the small spring inside the tranny...
seems this is the common problem i'm having....of course after
changing the spring to a new one solve the problems...

do u guys also have this problem...? any suggestion to come over
this problem...thanks.:D

[KawadaKid]

Hasnt happened to mine...?:confused:

[rcabj]

hi guys.....seems a bit quiet in here for awhile eh...

anyway i wanna share my achievement in rc...

the past 3 races i went to ( last august and this september) has been a significant bench mark for me...i was able too qualify in the B main group in all those races. only 2 laps in the heats seperating me from the A main drivers... well obviously my intention is to be part of the A main drivers hopefully..with less mistakes and more proper tuning of the car , engine and also with a lot of luck i'll make it in the near future...thanks...

...oh no !! the dog bone fell again...:mad:

[KawadaKid]

Ive been working alot and not racing much lately. I did however go out tonight and ran some tanks through my new OS TR. Car was rippin. I ran faster than the foam guys on Medial Pro IAS Rubber tires. The Vision is just that good.

Steven S.

[rc_king1]

What's the skinny on the new parts coming out for the VP? If you check out the GS web page from Europe, they mention that there are 25 new Al. and graphite parts coming out and that we need to check with our LHS. Are these parts made by Fiorni or are the being made by GS? Thanks.

[darkangel]

I believe those parts will be GS not Fioroni. Not sure where the Vision needs any more graphite but most of the aluminum stuff will be pulleys. I believe Horizon has the outside rear al pulley available even though they are sold out last time I checked.

[nitrothugg]

wassup guys. in a few weeks i'm racing my VP in an endurance race. i got a good idea of things i should prepare for but will you guys list tips from your experiances. i'm not a weekend racer, more of a basher so this is a big deal for me.:D

[darkangel]

My biggest advise for you is to relax and drive within your own abilities. Try to keep off the walls which becomes a big thing in an endurace race. The more you are on the track to more laps you get. Most of the time, especially in long races, people will drop out due to car problems, i.e. engine stalls, running into objects, etc. Make sure you get some practice and get the car setup to where you are comfortable with it.

Most important when racing: HAVE FUN and don't get too competitive.

[garen]

Those parts are being produced by GS Racing. Contact your distributor for more info. Most of the aluminum stuff is not just pulleys. The only graphite piece I know about is the front bumper support plate.

For the endurance race, have extra batteries on hand (if you are racing past 1 hour), lots of trued tire sets, glow plugs, and just drive clean.

[crackerjack]

Which compound of the Medial Pros are you using?

Originally posted by KawadaKid
Ive been working alot and not racing much lately. I did however go out tonight and ran some tanks through my new OS TR. Car was rippin. I ran faster than the foam guys on Medial Pro IAS Rubber tires. The Vision is just that good.

Steven S.

[KawadaKid]

I was using the "medium" compound on the front and the 35 shore on the back.

[rcabj]

hi again guys.....still in a phobia on last weekend race.

imagine after all week getting ready for the race with my vision'
my engine havin problem on the race day....

over heating problem that is...haven't check out what actually cause the over heating..but i round it up to this :

1. my new bodyshell for the race not havin enough holes..
2. my 2 speed spring seems like broken..next time should
check it first..
3. does fuel type effects the temperature..i'm using 'volcano' fuel 25 %...

4. hope nothing is wrong with my novarossi.....

the results....1st heat...i manage 2 laps b4 it stall
2nd heat..4 laps and stall again
last heat 9 laps b4 it stall again....i've richen the needle for each heat....

thanks..gbye.

[garen]

there are too many things that can cause an overheating. if you think the body is the problem, run the car without the body to see if it overheats. if it does not, then make sure you have cooling holes in the body. if the car won't shift at all, then check/replace the 2 speed. if your fuel is fresh, then fuel is likely not the source of the problem. your engine may have problems, can't really help you without seeing it or knowing more about it.
chances are your tune is off. install a new plug, richen the settings, and start over.

[rcabj]

i'll be checkin it out this weekend...and keep u posted later
on the results...

ok..thanks

[crackerjack]

Well, my clutch has been running fine for a couple of months. During the first heat today, it starts to slip. No matter how I adjust it, it slips. Could the clutch pad be shot? How long do they normally last?

Also, what are the advantages of the Fioroni clutch?

Thanks

[KawadaKid]

The Fioroni Clutch uses 3 flyweights instead of the steel balls. Its lighter which = less rotating mass plus its supposed to be more consistant. Im not sure how long the stock pad lasts, ive always used the Fioroni Aluminum pad which i highly recomend. Garen might be able to give you a little more info on the clutch.

[crackerjack]

Do you have to "mess" with your clutch much? I'm really getting tired of not being able to race because of the clutch. If the Fioroni will fix it, I'd get it. But I really don't want spend $50 + and have the same problem.

[darkangel]

This may not be the problem but have you tried checking/cleaning the area between the pad and where it contacts for engagement? I haven't had any problems with the clutch since I had it, just suspension and engine probs.

Hope that helps.

[crackerjack]

I think I've found the problem. The adjustment nut keeps tightening up on it's own. I put a bunch of Locktite on it. Now, I'm just waiting for it to set up.

[rcabj]

hi guys.... i sorted out my problems in my previous posting...

turn out to be 2 major faulty...

1. i got a loose conrod....bush is no more fit.

2. and loss of compression (i took off the extra shim i added before)......

so all the overheating and stalling was due to the engine part.


still got a lot to learn....maybe my driving is getting better and better but the technical thing (i'm having difficulty tuning the engine)...most people here says novarossi's is bit hard to tune but once its tune right nothing can't come near...

ok....another race another lesson....hope this coming weekend race would give better results...thanks guys...

[KawadaKid]

Originally posted by crackerjack
Do you have to "mess" with your clutch much? I'm really getting tired of not being able to race because of the clutch. If the Fioroni will fix it, I'd get it. But I really don't want spend $50 + and have the same problem.


Once my clutch is set it doesnt require constant maintenance. It isnt a bad idea to check the pad now and then though. What i would check on your is 1. check the spring or try a different one, 2. make sure there is a healthy dab of lock tight on the adjustment nut.

[crackerjack]

Has anyone used 30mm foams on the Vision? Do they fit without rubbing against anything?

[KawadaKid]

I ran the Fioroni and Arrows 30's on the rear with no problem but i have heard of guys having a problem with it.

[buboy28]

guys help, where can i order fiorini option parts for my vision pro. my lhs does not carry this brand in the philippines. thanks...

[ken]

Hi!!
I'm italian boy...sorry for my english...
There are optionals of gs for vision pro http://www.gs-europe.com/default_zone/gb/html/page-29.html , i have optionals Fioroni, but Gs for me are good!!

[rcabj]

hi again guys...

went to race last weekend....all was perfect..the engine perform very well,no more problem, the car setup was excellent too...

only one thing i don't have right now...pair of really fast and accurate hands
..hehehe...drove average that day....

manage only d main final...out of 5 mains...what seperate the
a and b,c,d,e main was this....

a main- average lap 12 sec.
b - 13 sec.
c - 14 sec.
d- 15 sec.
e- 16 sec.

ok...need more training and more moneyyy....bye & thanks

p/s ohh..the track was excellent too....

[rcabj]

forgot too mention ..weather that day was also perfect...

heee...tq

[garen]

I placed 9th at the Paris Memorial (In Las Vegas) last weekend in both the outlaw and sedan classes.
Go to www.4acesracing.com for pics/results.
I'll have a race report on gsracing.com this week.


You can run 30mm tires in the rear and 36mm in the front. Depending on the brand of tires used, you may find rubbing on the rear hubs. You may need to remove some material from the rear hubs and using an xacto, cut the inside of the wheel at a 45 degree angle.
-Garen

[jfc_tech]

i got the front wheel problem hitting the front steering hub :( . I have to use spacer so not the wheel cutting the steering. i use speedmind & ellergi tires 26mm.

Anyway the car is great but sadly, i couldn't find anywhere any other setup other than in the manual???:confused: :(

[garen]

I use Arrows tires, and have no rubbing problem in the front unless I crash really hard and bend a wheel. If you add a spacer inside the wheel, you are effectively changing the setup (caster change).
The GS-1 setup in the manual is a good starting point for most tracks, for more setups, you can email me.

[crackerjack]

Well, I raced the Vision today. It's finally runing about where want it. I've been having clutch and flywheel problems for the past 2 months, but I think I got it fixed. Came in 2nd today. I probably could have had 1st, but I was pushing it a little too hard in the corners.

[jfc_tech]

whats yer email address garen...can't email u from the forum. it seems that bounce back to mine. i need a good setup for med 150X60 feet, tight bumpy track. i have 40sh for each front 26mm & 30mm. using sts engine RS5. thanks.:)

[garen]

garenh@gsracing.com

[buboy28]

guys could someone help me with their set-up regarding this car.
i will be racing the car this coming weekend and the track is a very technical one with lots of curves and only a 75ft straight lane.
thanks.....

[garen]

Start with the GS-1 setup in your manual, and adjust from there.

[buboy28]

Originally posted by garen
Start with the GS-1 setup in your manual, and adjust from there. :o

will do, thanks......

[KawadaKid]

I ran GS blue springs in the back, GS Reds in the front, GS5000 weight oil in all shocks. shocks on the top holes front and back.

Stock sway bars on front and back

50,000 weight diff oil up front
5000 weight diff oil out back

all the caster clips behind the arm on the upper front arm

-2 degrees camber all the way round
-2 degrees toe out back
0 degrees toe up front

Arrows 42shore tires on the front
Arrows 30mm 40shore rears


I dont remember where i had my camber links at, all my setup sheets are at my dads house. Email me in a week, and maybe I can help u out

Steven S

[jfc_tech]

Originally posted by KawadaKid
I ran GS blue springs in the back, GS Reds in the front, GS5000 weight oil in all shocks. shocks on the top holes front and back.

Stock sway bars on front and back

50,000 weight diff oil up front
5000 weight diff oil out back

all the caster clips behind the arm on the upper front arm

-2 degrees camber all the way round
-2 degrees toe out back
0 degrees toe up front

Arrows 42shore tires on the front
Arrows 30mm 40shore rears


I dont remember where i had my camber links at, all my setup sheets are at my dads house. Email me in a week, and maybe I can help u out

Steven S

I ran Arrows 30mm 40shores too but still hit the rear camber upright!!:confused: :confused: Do use spacer or shims? I only found out that GQ tires(orange color) can fit nicely to the rear..BCoz it has offset.:eek: Please advice...thanks.