Kyosho Lazer ZX, ZXS, ZXR, Alpha [Archive] - Page 4

welshy40

03-07-2007, 12:21 PM

Tom,

I have had plenty of chances of having a ZXS, and yes regret selling my car, however I have been offered it back but cant afford the price he wants for it. Pity, though I have to say that it couldnt have gone to a better home. He is a keen racer and looks after his stuff. Heck even team Kyosho in Japan offered me a zxs for quite a good sum of money, but at that time I was not in the mood for it. Pity as I have now recovered and am feeling full of life again and regret my chances. I doubt however that I will race properly again, but just for fun. Im trying nitro for a giggle.

Yes a bit of practice you will be really good, especially with the car you have. You just have to use the club events as a trial basis every week, so one week you will try altering the castor blocks, camber, tie rod holes - not all at once of course, then the next you can play with the angle on the shocks on both wishbones and shock mounts, then the week after mess with the settings on the rear hubs etc and it keeps going until you know the car so well that you can set it up in your sleep, and means that you will have the advantage at a race event.

terry.sc

03-07-2007, 05:30 PM

Also you will need the straight ZX steering plate as this is the other part required to stop bump steer totally.
As they are the same length whichever plate you use should have the same amount of bump steer as the steering links will pivot on the same axis, but it will alter the amount of ackerman. The ZX plate will make the steering smoother and but the ZX-R one will give more aggressive steering, especially on turn in. My own design on my on road version pushes the mounting points even further forward to give as much steering as possible.

Yes the top deck was at the time I had one a great design as the two piece unit was designed by a dummy. The original setup was actually a great, clever design, the belt cover also being a structural spine for the chassis. It's just a shame for Kyosho that the first thing we all did was remove the things and then found out how much they contributed to the chassis stiffness. ;)

welshy40

03-08-2007, 01:24 PM

Terry,

I found the belt worked better looser. In that casing it couldnt run smooth enough, and actually (for me anyway) consumed more power than I had. I could only make the finishing line at speed if I didnt make a mistake and the car was loosing power.

I tried the ZXR steering plate and it wasnt as good as the ZX. I had more steering control on carpet and grass with the ZX plate, however on the clay and dust surfaces the ZXR plate was much better. I also got rid of all bump steer with the ZX plate but couldnt zero it at all with the ZXR, I still to this day cant understand why but the solution was the ZX plate. Besides all the majority of people need is a zero bump steer and less agro in sorting the car and this solution is simpler (well for me). I guess because your using foams the steering plate might make a drastic change, and you have just defined it some more.

Funkymojo

03-09-2007, 01:31 PM

James:

Sounds like you want to get back into racing mate! ;)

I dunno how you brought yourself to sell your old car..it was an icon! Still my car should be a pretty good copy of yours soon, you're right, all I need then is the skill!!! :D

It'd be nice to see you convert your ZX/ZXR with all the fibre lyte goodies mate...but it's still not gonna be a ZXS cos the ZXS is pretty much a totally different buggy from the ZX/ZXR...oh if only i could own a ZXS...LOL...anyone knows what's the difference between the ZXS and the ZXS Evo and which one is actually the better buggy? Cheers

tomstacey

03-09-2007, 02:18 PM

Funkymojo

03-09-2007, 02:25 PM

Yup I'll post pics once its done. :) Yes its not really a ZXS, but the fibre lyte chassis is designed to fit a ZXS shell, so will look similar. I think James called it the ZXRS! I'm fitting ZXS shocks, steering and Shock towers too, its gonna be a one off for sure. ;)

Wow do post some pics once it's done matey...i've seen some japanese racers using the new ZX5 shocks on their ZXS/ZXS Evo... :)

tomstacey

03-10-2007, 03:08 PM

update: most of the bits for my Lazer ZXRS project have now arrived! Going on holiday for a week next week, but after that its Lazer rebuild time.. So you should see some pics in a couple of weeks.

Welshy40: have you still got any ZXS shells or contacts with one? cash waiting for one if so. :)

Funkymojo

03-13-2007, 11:05 AM

My japanese contact managed to help me locate a great condition Lazer ZXS, it's got titanium turnbuckles, Team Atlas lightweight blue anodised motor mount, motor plate and bits and pieces. Owner wanted lots of cash for it but i had to have it...paid a premium for it and now it's on it's way to me...woo hooo can't wait... :D

http://img352.imageshack.us/img352/7889/takezotz250img600x45011px6.jpg
http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7282/takezotz250img600x45011xr8.jpg

welshy40

03-13-2007, 12:12 PM

Tom,

Nope I havent unfortunatley. I sold the lot in one go. sorry mate

Scoobster

03-15-2007, 03:26 PM

Tom and Mojo you guys get every where LOL to everyone else Hi Guys new to the forum but i already know Tom and Sherman from another froum and like Tom i am also a big Lazer Fan the ZX was my first rear RC racer had a Toy Tamiya before that lol

Funkymojo

03-16-2007, 01:05 PM

Scoobster

03-19-2007, 03:28 PM

Do any of you guy's know where i could get hold of a Lazer ZX-S body shell like the one Tom's after? Don't mind a painted one as long as it's in good condition :D

tomstacey

03-19-2007, 03:49 PM

Hey Del! :D.. you'll have to fight me for one first. I'm sure there are a couple lurking in hobby shops in Japan somewhere, else James (welshy40) has some contacts in Kyosho who may know.

Out of interest mate, you have a ZXS and ZX5, how similar are the shells to one another? Could the ZX5 fit the ZXS with some creative trimming? Also, I know there is a Lazer ZX5 mk.2 shell thats just come out.. that could fit. I might get one ordered up.

Scoobster

03-19-2007, 03:59 PM

Hmm i will have a look on the ZX-5 shell mate and let you know and i also have the mk2 shell you were talking about for the ZX-5 it's called the Bullet so i will give that a try too or there's always the Team Azarashi "Gomurph" Body thats said to be universal but was designed to fit the ZX-5 first

If anyone know of a company who will copy my original ZX-S evo body with out any damage i'm more than happy to get some made up

Scoobster

03-19-2007, 04:26 PM

No sorry Tom the ZX-5 and ZX-5 Bullet shells are too low if you know what i mean there wouldn't be anything left of the shell at the rear where the spur gear etc is.

Tha ZXR & ZX shell fit well but thats not really any good is it

Scoobster

03-20-2007, 05:04 PM

Does anyone know where i can get a new ZXR shell from?

tomstacey

03-20-2007, 05:23 PM

Last one I got was from a guy in Singapore off the RCTech forums mate.. might be worth a wanted post there possibly?

I know someone was repro'ing them and there was a link in this thread, last time I looked their site was down though :(

hardrider

03-21-2007, 01:18 PM

Does anyone know where i can get a new ZXR shell from?

Possibly.... Me! :D

Scoobster

03-21-2007, 02:31 PM

Hi Alan..... Tell me more!!! lol oh BTW you have a PM on RC Tech too

Cheers

Del

welshy40

03-21-2007, 02:34 PM

Guys

Check this out, any one need another ZXR or some front bumpers, if so then get bidding.

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Original-Kyosho-Lazer-10th-Car-Wheels-Tyres-and-more_W0QQitemZ150104019073QQcategoryZ2565QQrdZ1QQc mdZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/vintage-kyosho-optima-mid-bumper-ultima-lazer-buggy-car_W0QQitemZ320094853703QQcategoryZ2565QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/vintage-kyosho-optima-mid-bumper-ultima-lazer-buggy-car_W0QQitemZ320094850913QQcategoryZ2565QQrdZ1QQcm dZViewItem

tomstacey

03-21-2007, 06:07 PM

Cheers for the links James.. actually I've got loads of bumpers now.. but I'll keep an eye on them anyway.

Oh, and Hardrider, I'll have a shell too if there is a source of them. :)

Thanks,

Tom

RoboRC

03-21-2007, 06:48 PM

Hey all!

I am hoping an off-road track is going to open up soon in my area and have been trying to determine what I would race if it happened. I used to race a Turbo Optima way back in the day and was thinking if I got back into off-road, I would like to get back into 4WD again. What is the latest Laser car from Kyosho? How competative are they with the Losi and the BJ4 4WD cars?

Thanks for your input!

Edit: Sorry... I think I posted this in the wrong thread!

welshy40

03-22-2007, 02:25 PM

Robo,

Yes its in the wrong post but the ZX-5 is a good car, but if you were looking at investing in one then change the chassis as the layout isnt that good. The car is a good runner and very competitive but you have to use heavier oil on one side of the car (5 weight or so) to balance the cars handling properly. Personally I would get an old Lazer ZXR and show all the new cars how fast the older generation really is.

hardrider

03-23-2007, 10:36 PM

Personally I would get an old Lazer ZXR and show all the new cars how fast the older generation really is.

Yeah! We'll show them! :D

welshy40

03-24-2007, 11:31 AM

Hardrider
I did on the day I sold my work of art. I turned up at 11.30 and found that the regional event was in its second round, and was given a space to race in the thrid round. I qualified in 6th, with an indoor setup and considering i didnt have time to get used to the track or surface it was quite impressive. I was in second and challenging for the lead when the shock balljoint broke and ruined the final for me but no person slated the Lazer, in fact wanted to know more and were amazed at how quick the car was.

Scoobster

03-24-2007, 06:12 PM

If any of you guys come across a new in box or new built Lazer ZX-R can you let me know as i need one for my lazer collection

tomstacey

03-25-2007, 05:58 AM

Oops, I've just fallen over one in my lounge!!! :D

If I see anymore scoobs, I'll let you know fella.

Scoobster

03-25-2007, 07:51 AM

Oops, I've just fallen over one in my lounge!!! :D

If I see anymore scoobs, I'll let you know fella.

:D don't you just hate it when that happens mate i'm doing it all the time with this new built ZX-S that keeps getting in my way :p

Now am i right in thinking that the Mk1 & Mk2 ZX-R have different length wheel bases? if thats correct does anyone know the different lengths of chassis? just i going to order a Fybrelite one but not sure which i need as i have 3 ZX-R's here that i'm going to use as donor cars to build a nice carbon version :D now that i have a new unpainted shell :)

welshy40

03-25-2007, 10:30 AM

well the mark one chassis is the same length its the layout thats different and the top deck is shorter on the mk1. The mk2 top deck is longer as the motor and top deck mount is moved back a bit

Scoobster

03-25-2007, 11:37 AM

Ah right so it the top deck cool! do you know the different lengths of the top deck? :confused:

tomstacey

03-25-2007, 12:21 PM

I think there is 2mm difference. Terry.sc might know if he's still reading these forums :)

terry.sc

03-26-2007, 09:15 AM

You called? I'm still here, but only contribute when I have something constructive to add. BTW I know where there's a new ZX-S shell :D Looking at getting into the repro body business this year and considering modifying the undertray so it fits on a standard Lazer. Don't expect to see it soon though as I already have a long list of shells to get through first.

All the Lazers have the same wheelbase, so all the chassis are the same length, the difference is where the batteries are positioned.

The ZX-R Mk2 top deck is 5mm longer than the standard top deck. ZX and ZX-R Mk1 has a top deck 181mm long, the ZX-R Mk2 deck is 186mm. The Mk2 moves the batteries 5mm back in the chassis so all the parts that mount to the Upper Deck Mount A in front of the motor have been replaced. Moving the batteries back made it jump better but made it too stable and they never wanted to turn into the corners unless you changed to the Mk2 suspension geometry.

If you want to convert a Mk1 to a Mk2 you will also need the Mk2 motor mount and gearbox brace that goes above the motor. The top deck support that's just in front of the motor also has a section cut out so it can wrap around the motor which could just be dremelled out if you can't find the part. To do the conversion properly you also need the new front kingpins and rear upright extensions to change the handling balance to counteract the weight shift as well as the new shock mounts. See the supplement to the ZX-R manual (pages 27-30) here (http://www.retromodelisme.com/manuels_pages/52/lazer-zx-r-kyosho.html) for the differences.

tomstacey

03-26-2007, 10:01 AM

Terry,

Thank You! Constructive and interesting (especially the ZXS Shell!! :D ) Hopefully that will help Scoobster out.

welshy40

03-26-2007, 11:59 AM

Guys,

If you want a chassis that handles use the ZX mk1 chassis or my newer design where the batteries are further forwards to the centre of the chassis, as well as the cells further inwards as well making it more stable. The best chassis was the original ZX and ZXR Mk1 as the MK2 wasnt good as Terry.SC said, it jumped well but not that good at cornering.

Scoobster

03-26-2007, 01:17 PM

terry.sc

03-26-2007, 07:51 PM

No sorry, don't have any decals to go with it. I got the body in a huge lot of Lazer parts, don't know where the previous owner had got it from as they weren't available in the UK.

welshy40

03-27-2007, 01:00 PM

Scoobster,
the narrower chassis I designed is on the fibre lyte site under my name, you'll figure it out as its in the ZX section. You can use the MK1 top deck or you can get my redesigned one. Also its a perfect fit for the ZX-S shell and undertray. I think Terry.sc is going to have problems in getting it to fit by redesigning the undertray, I thought of that when I got four shells and undertrays, but the easiest was to redesign the chassis and make the car better balanced, and boy was that fun

Scoobster

03-27-2007, 02:08 PM

Terry if you sell the ZX-S Shell and Tom doesn't want it mate please let me know as i would like a spare for mine

terry.sc

03-27-2007, 07:46 PM

I think Terry.sc is going to have problems in getting it to fit by redesigning the undertray, I thought of that when I got four shells and undertrays, but the easiest was to redesign the chassis and make the car better balanced, and boy was that funActually not a problem at all. The body will fit over the chassis, the problem is the undertray as the sloping edges prevent it fitting to the Lazer as it was originally designed for the Mid. I wouldn't be modifying the undertray, being a modelmaker by trade with many years experience of pattern making I will have no problem making a new one to do the job.

tomstacey

03-29-2007, 05:22 PM

terry.sc i know Tom asked first re the ZX-S shell so i think i will get in first when i ask if you know of any ZX-S Decal sheets? I sure Tom will have the ZX-S shell if it's for sale to put on his FAKE ZX-S (sorry tom :D ) but i'm doing a mine as a replica of the Kyosho Promo Car so really could do with the Decals

welshy40 when you say your newer design which one do you mean? is it on the Fibrelite web site?

Cheers Chaps

Fake ZXS indeed! :D I'll have you know James designed that chassis for the ZXR to fit the ZXS body - Its OEM Equipment! :teacher:

I'd loooooooove a ZXS shell for the ZXR(S) though. :wow:

tomstacey

03-29-2007, 05:26 PM

Funkymojo

03-31-2007, 03:54 AM

Actually not a problem at all. The body will fit over the chassis, the problem is the undertray as the sloping edges prevent it fitting to the Lazer as it was originally designed for the Mid. I wouldn't be modifying the undertray, being a modelmaker by trade with many years experience of pattern making I will have no problem making a new one to do the job.

Hi terry..i've always wondered if a turbo optima mid special bodyshell and undertray would fit the zxs..i've seen racers back in the early 90s using mid special bodyshell and undertray on the zx and zxr..well if you have zxs bodyshells and undertrays..count me in..i wanna get them too...a mid special bodyshell on a zxs would look really cool too..hee hee :D

terry.sc

03-31-2007, 08:26 AM

The ZX-S shell and undertray is based in the Mid Custom (and Mid Special) body. The main body shape is identical , but the Mid body does not fit a Lazer because the layshaft is too long, which is why the ZX-S has a lump on the left hand side just behind the side window. There is also a lump added to clear the ZX-S steering arms. The windows are styled differently and the lumps on the Mid body to clear the rear shock mount have been removed.

The undertrays are almost identical, the Mid undertray has a couple of lumps moulded in to clear the servo mounting screws which the ZX-S undertray doesn't have, they have the same angled sides.

Having tried myself the Mid Custom body will fit over a Lazer as long as you cut a hole for the layshaft to poke out and the extra lumps at the rear look a bit odd, but it will just about fit. The problem is the Mid undertray isn't flat and the angled sides clash with the sides of the Lazer chassis just in front of the batteries. I would presume the undertray would fit James's chassis.
The undertray problems is why I would be making a new undertray so it can fit any Lazer.

Funkymojo

04-01-2007, 07:30 AM

terry.sc

04-01-2007, 08:04 AM

tomstacey

04-01-2007, 12:49 PM

If I'm not very wrong, the Lazer 2000 shell is based loosely on a Mid shell too.. Would it fit? Has anyone tried?

Funkymojo

04-01-2007, 04:51 PM

Well it looks likely as there seems to be a demand for them. ;) Don't expect them very soon as I've got a list of bodies that also want doing (including 1/5th bikes!) that have been asked for and I've got to fit all this in at times when work is quiet. Working freelance means you work solid for weeks with little free time, then you have nothing to do and you hope you find some more work.

Hi terry..one of my friends fitted a turbo optima mid special bodyshell and undertray on his lazer zx and lazer zxr perfectly, there's no need to drill a hole of the bodyshell for the layshaft, the zxs layshaft is pretty similar in length to the zx and zxr, so maybe a mid bodyshell might fit? Hmmmmm

terry.sc

04-01-2007, 05:27 PM

Tom, the Lazer 2000 (and similar Lazer Alpha) bodies are unique and not exactly pretty, not helped by the sticker sheet. As they have a moulded tub chassis there isn't an undertray either.

terry.sc

04-01-2007, 05:41 PM

Hi terry..one of my friends fitted a turbo optima mid special bodyshell and undertray on his lazer zx and lazer zxr perfectly, there's no need to drill a hole of the bodyshell for the layshaft, the zxs layshaft is pretty similar in length to the zx and zxr, so maybe a mid bodyshell might fit? HmmmmmI did try to fit one myself, but found the undertray would go on, but the angled side corners meant it would not fit with the undertray flat against the chassis, so did not bother trying to get the body on properly.
The Lazer has the extra one way on the end of the layshaft that when I tried it looked to clash with the body, so suggested cutting a hole for clearance.

tomstacey

04-09-2007, 12:20 PM

As some of you who have been following the thread will know, I've been building a Lazer ZXR/ZXS Hybrid much in the vein of Welshy40's. I thought I'd post up some pics of my progress so far. :)

The newest mods are:

Graphite front knuckles rather than the alu ones I had fitted
Inferno 10 wishbones (more webbing and therefore more strength)
All round Alu wishbone pivots
TF5/ZXS/ZX5 rear hubs
ZXS/ZX5 shocks
Full Fibre-lyte Carbon kit
ZXS Steering set
New belts and bearings
Re-located Aerial mount

She's looking almost new again, just waiting on a new shell. :)

http://194.83.41.249/ZXRS/1.JPG
http://194.83.41.249/ZXRS/2.JPG
http://194.83.41.249/ZXRS/3.JPG
http://194.83.41.249/ZXRS/4.JPG

welshy40

04-10-2007, 04:59 PM

Tom,

Dont forget to swop around the rear pivot block as its upside down. Other than that its tip top, but the belt is far to tight, so would recommend using the one you took out. I am still a bit merry but cant gruble as the company was good. Your car is great and soon will be fantastic, keep up the fantastic work mate.

tomstacey

04-10-2007, 05:12 PM

Good advice mate.. I'd almost forgotton the pivot block!!

I'm gonna make you race in a regional this year if I have to drag you!! :D

Heh.. and I'm a bit tempted to dremel out those wishbones to save weight. not in a state to use a dremel though really :p

welshy40

04-11-2007, 10:46 AM

Tom,

Dont bother dremelling them, just get a set of ZXR wishbones.

Scoobster

04-11-2007, 02:15 PM

Nice Tom very nice mate - Part number for the ZX-R wishbones is LA-26 if that helps but not sure if they have or don't have the extra webbing i have a set without but they have been used

Anyone know where i can get hold of a set of the ZX-R Decals part number LA-54? also does anyone know if it was the Mk 2 ZX-R that had the straight alloy steering link?

tomstacey

04-11-2007, 02:42 PM

hey Scoobster, nice to see you over here again :)

Both ZXRs had the bent steering plate, the ZX one was straight though. Not sure about the ZXR decals, haven't seen 'em in years. You know Marwan from Kuwait does ZX ones though right?

Scoobster

04-11-2007, 02:48 PM

Now Tom yeah i have a few sets of his ZX decals :D i have a shell with the ZX-R decals but i wanted a set for my new shell, need to get going on some projects as i have 7 Lazers now :rolleyes: and only 2 are complete :)

filosganga

04-12-2007, 09:53 AM

Hello I'm new on this forum.

My name is Filippo.

I have 3 lazer car: one lazer-zx and 2 lazer zx-sport.
I read your post, a long thread :), so i look your car nd i've some questions:

Can i put the lazer-zx james instone version, main chassis and top deck, in my lazer x? I seen it at fiber-lyte (http://www.fibre-lyte.co.uk/fl/cars/kyosho/jilazer.html).

I've seen alluminium suspension support, where can i find its?

thank for your's time.

welshy40

04-13-2007, 05:00 PM

Filosganga

The chassis and top deck will fit straight onto the ZX and ZXR Mark one version car.

I am unsure where to get the alluminium suspension support but I have designed them in carbon fibre at Fibre lyte and all you need to do is drill the holes on one of the items as they wouldnt drill all the holes on all of the four pivot blocks (they did 3)due to the grain going in a different direction, however I would recomment using a copper bushing and drilling the hole slightly bigger to fit the bushing to protect the carbon fibre on the one block.

You will also need to talk to speak to Tom Stacey about what he did on the steering to make it fit correctly. He did a good job, I think he cut the steering pole to fit the blue steering block and then used a specific screw to make it a flusher fit. It looks and feels good.

Tom, thanks for the video, im looking at it now, should bring back some memories.

welshy40

04-13-2007, 06:09 PM

Tom,

The Basildon worlds video is brilliant, and yes it does remind me of how extravegant Masami was, his outfits were impressive. They didnt show the green one he wore when we raced in the warm ups. He takes advice from anyone, and thanks you generously if it works for him, he handed me YZ10 carbon fibre parts even though I was driving a ZX, but cant complain as I did get to use the parts when I got one.

Now that was what made me design the spray job on my ZX-S shell, as the dragon on his outfit was an amazing work of art.

I forgot a Lazer made the A final in the hands of Joel Johnson and finished 8th. Class act!!!

Kinwald was a really nice bloke, and cant say anything bad about him, he was really a nice generous fellow, and had a lot of advice on my setups. Ben well I felt sorry for him as Kevin Moore was most probably the reason for him being demoted from 2nd to 10th due to a motor technicality. Ben was a much better driver than Kevin, how many people can say they beat Kinwald with a 2wd schmacher cougar 2000 (it was rubbish and designed badly)

filosganga

04-15-2007, 07:07 AM

Filosganga

The chassis and top deck will fit straight onto the ZX and ZXR Mark one version car.

I am unsure where to get the alluminium suspension support but I have designed them in carbon fibre at Fibre lyte and all you need to do is drill the holes on one of the items as they wouldnt drill all the holes on all of the four pivot blocks (they did 3)due to the grain going in a different direction, however I would recomment using a copper bushing and drilling the hole slightly bigger to fit the bushing to protect the carbon fibre on the one block.

You will also need to talk to speak to Tom Stacey about what he did on the steering to make it fit correctly. He did a good job, I think he cut the steering pole to fit the blue steering block and then used a specific screw to make it a flusher fit. It looks and feels good.
...

Thank you for the support!

I look Tom's steering and I think the Infermo MP 7.5 Steering is perfect. So my friend make, by lathe, a short columns for me so it will perfect.

in future i will post some my lazer-zx pics.

tomstacey

04-30-2007, 03:18 PM

Glad you liked the vid James. Brings back the memories eh? :cool:

Anyway, I've been busy on the ZXR(S) again! To be honest, its about done now, but will remain in storage now until we go indoors again when the british winter returns!!

I've sprayed and fitted the ZXS undertray and shell, its not sitting right at the back as you can see in the pics, but its all snug now and looking great. I will probably fit one of the huge rear wings that are trendy in Off-Road these days, maybe associated turnbuckles and ball joints when funds allow too. I've fixed the shock leaking issue with triple seals which is just as smooth (MIP Blues).

Anyway.. Pics:

http://194.83.41.249/ZXRS2/1.JPG
http://194.83.41.249/ZXRS2/2.JPG
http://194.83.41.249/ZXRS2/3.JPG
http://194.83.41.249/ZXRS2/4.JPG
http://194.83.41.249/ZXRS2/5.JPG
http://194.83.41.249/ZXRS2/6.JPG

Brit_bulldog

05-01-2007, 04:18 AM

[QUOTE=welshy40]Tom,

The Basildon worlds video is brilliant,

I was at the Basildon worlds i would love to see a video is it online? do you have a link?

BTW have any one considered using the new Lazer ZX5 rear end upgrade on your ZXRs?

I think part number is LAW34.
You get rear Union joints and a narrower rear wheel base plus a few other bits.

tomstacey

05-01-2007, 04:44 AM

Hello Brit. Not sure about the LAW34 actually.. I'd love to try one to see, but if it makes the rear end narrower that may be a problem for us.. The TF5/ZX5 rear hubs which we are using already make the rear end narrower than stock so we are using thicker drive hubs to compensate. As for fitting the rear wishbones from a ZX5 onto a Belt ZX, that could be an idea... I haven't got any to try to hand though..

hardrider

05-01-2007, 09:19 PM

Tom,

Nice job! But that Team Associated decal looks a tad out of place :D

welshy40

05-02-2007, 01:10 PM

Tom,

It looks fantastic, and even looks like Bob Gammons if you account for the associated stickers, the way you have put them on. He drove for Kyosho and Associated as he rightfully said that the Pro x was crap (and he chucked it in a huge puddle at Aire valley) and went to associated. I think I spelt the place right.

Anyway you have done a cracking job, it looks better than a new car.

I would recommend moving the shock position at the top of the shock mounts to the inner top holes on the front and move the rear inwards by one to keep the angle the same and then your basic shock angle will be perfect for indoors. All you will need to do is find the right oil for indoors and obviously tires.

I am surprised you didnt put the reciever on the top deck like I did on mine. Thats why the top deck has the slots on so you can tie wrap and keep tidy the wires. The aerial is in the right place, and looks the part doesnt it.

Wings, well I hate to admit it but the big wings are not that good, as they were a big thing when the YZ10 came out and died a quick death. I found the best wing was from the RC10 B2, I cannot explain it but the associated wings just worked better and also lasted a lot longer. I tried all types and found the best was those. It also looked good, as per my previous pics of my car.

There is only one more thing to get, the rubber bung for the Kyosho triumph gear cover, as this should fit onto the ZXR casing and that means that you can access your slipper easily.

Well done Tom, its as good as mine old car. You have transformed the ZXR to a new breed of car.

tomstacey

05-02-2007, 01:45 PM

Tom,

Nice job! But that Team Associated decal looks a tad out of place :D

Just for you dude.. (and i have tons of Kyosho and Associated decals thankfully!!) :D

tomstacey

05-02-2007, 01:52 PM

Well done Tom, its as good as mine old car. You have transformed the ZXR to a new breed of car.

Thanx bud ;) Important question now after we've created this monster is when are we gonna race it?? I don't really want to run her outdoors, I've got the ZX5 for that..

I might go and have a practice with it in my work's basketball court this week so expect some action shots!

about the receiver etc, when I fit the radio gear I'll go for the layout you suggest - you're right, it makes more sense!

welshy40

05-03-2007, 12:08 PM

Tom,

Well if you are doing an indoor event around london then maybe I could give you a hand to get it dialed for carpet. By the way you never guess what I got from traxxas the other day, the very last set of trx1 shocks. Perfect for carpet racing on a Lazer, but your new shocks are supposed to be good, but they just didnt appeal to me when I had them years ago.

Scoobster

05-03-2007, 01:01 PM

Well done Tom looks well mate, got a quick question for you Lazer Fans, i now have a Lazer ZXS to sit along side my ZXS Evo but it has Yokomo YZ10 type wheel fittings :confused: a friend of mine said that some of the 1996 Lazer ZXS's came with the Yokomo type wheel fittings as thats what the team drivers in japan were using at the time can anyone expand on that a little more? is it correct?

tomstacey

05-03-2007, 01:49 PM

Thanks for the kind words Scoobster :D As for the yoko wheel adaptors, around the 1992-1996 period it seemed everyone ran yoko wheels (mainly down to them being the first 2.2 wheels. Not sure whether they were standard issue on Lazers, one of the guys here may be able to confirm for you though bud.

welshy40

05-03-2007, 03:51 PM

Scoobster,

Yes its a standard part, and pretty much what your friend said. I wasnt keen either on it, but that was the only part of the car I didnt like.

tomstacey

05-04-2007, 03:41 AM

I reckon stick normal hexes back on it, then at least you will be able to get a supply of nice shiny new wheels!

welshy40

05-04-2007, 10:51 AM

Scoobster

05-04-2007, 03:42 PM

welshy got any more info on the HPI hex fittings? which model are they for and where might i find some? i would like to try to find some nice new Yokomo fitment wheels to keep it as original as i can but if not i always have the option of the Hex conversion.

Still on the look out for a nice new built ZX-R Mk1 or 2 to complete my Lazer collection so keep your eyes open for me please lads :D

Funkymojo

05-05-2007, 08:45 PM

Tom,

To do that youll need to replace the driveshafts, as they are similar to mip. Im daft today, you could buy the wheel adaptors for HPI, as they have one in blue for the touring cars thats identical to kyosho but for mip driveshafts.

Hi welshy...you stated the zxs driveshafts are similar to mip, mip cvds for which buggy mate? Well if mip cvds fit, i wouldnt need to worry about worn out or bent cvds in the future. Cheers

g0202180

05-07-2007, 08:39 AM

GREAT WORK!

Glad you liked the vid James. Brings back the memories eh? :cool:

Anyway, I've been busy on the ZXR(S) again! To be honest, its about done now, but will remain in storage now until we go indoors again when the british winter returns!!

I've sprayed and fitted the ZXS undertray and shell, its not sitting right at the back as you can see in the pics, but its all snug now and looking great. I will probably fit one of the huge rear wings that are trendy in Off-Road these days, maybe associated turnbuckles and ball joints when funds allow too. I've fixed the shock leaking issue with triple seals which is just as smooth (MIP Blues).

Anyway.. Pics:

http://194.83.41.249/ZXRS2/1.JPG
http://194.83.41.249/ZXRS2/2.JPG
http://194.83.41.249/ZXRS2/3.JPG
http://194.83.41.249/ZXRS2/4.JPG
http://194.83.41.249/ZXRS2/5.JPG
http://194.83.41.249/ZXRS2/6.JPG

welshy40

05-07-2007, 10:26 AM

Scoobster

The hpi items are easily obtainable. I got the standard hex nuts for the HPI touring car, they are on the web,as they connect straight onto the MIP driveshafts, however I cannot remember if the hole on the driveshaft is thin or thicker so really depends on the part of the UJ. Have a look, the one I had was a blue alloy hex nut and it looked sweet.

welshy got any more info on the HPI hex fittings? which model are they for and where might i find some? i would like to try to find some nice new Yokomo fitment wheels to keep it as original as i can but if not i always have the option of the Hex conversion.

welshy40

05-07-2007, 10:33 AM

Tom,

Well both cars look as sweet as one another. I had to do it and post mine again.

tomstacey

05-07-2007, 11:56 AM

I do like the look of the front shock tower on yours Welshy. The A shaped one I have, although functionally great, just isn't as cool looking as the one on your car :D

I think this thread goes to show that you can easily turn that old ZXR into a very competitive machine with parts that are available off the shelf.

Who will make the next "ultimate" belt drive Lazer??

Karadjas

05-07-2007, 01:48 PM

Result! After months of pestering a ZX-R owning friend, he agreed to give it to me in return for a paintjob on a clear rustler body he's had sitting around for years.
AND, another friend deep into 1/1 drag racing says i can have al the carbon fibre scraps from the workshop. We're talking big scraps, as in 300mmx200mm in average, and some cloth and resin so i can even make some simple 3d stuff.

tomstacey

05-07-2007, 02:07 PM

Karadjas - It might be worth you cutting the carbon to Welshy40's design, it really makes a difference to the handling.. That layout was arrived at after many races of fiddling - much much better than stock. :)

Cool that you have a Lazer now mate too..

Karadjas

05-07-2007, 02:48 PM

I dont have it yet, im flying home mid june and then the eschange will happen

way ahead of you, I've already downloaded the designs from fibre lyte and i'll resize to 1/1 and cut :D

tomstacey

05-07-2007, 03:26 PM

Sweet!

Keep us updated on your progress :)

Funkymojo

05-07-2007, 03:32 PM

Hi welshy...you stated the zxs driveshafts are similar to mip, mip cvds for which buggy mate? Well if mip cvds fit, i wouldnt need to worry about worn out or bent cvds in the future. Cheers

Anyone have any idea? Cheers

Karadjas

05-07-2007, 05:11 PM

hmm... do you guys know of any bodies and underbodies that will fit the zx-r?
I remember my mate's being fugly

Funkymojo

05-07-2007, 09:00 PM

hmm... do you guys know of any bodies and underbodies that will fit the zx-r?
I remember my mate's being fugly

The turbo optima mid special longwheel base bodyshell and undertray will fit..just saw my mate fit one on his zxr...looks awesome... :)

Karadjas

05-08-2007, 07:55 AM

Thanks Funkymojo

I was looking for something more... readily available

welshy40

05-08-2007, 11:00 AM

Tom,

The mount in this picture was not a good design as I broke it on the first outing, when I made the regional A (it surprised me) after starting to race in round three. You can see that I hadnt done the rear tower yet, but what do you rekon on the transponder holder. That made life a lot easier on the wings.

I concluded that the four holes on either side was the reason for the weakness and hence why I redesigned to the below picture. That is what is I favour now. If you dont like it the shock tower you are using is still he best to use as you tend to roll back onto your wheels due to the top bit.

I liked the new tower as it just worked, no idea really, but it was a derivative of the ZX-S and we know that they test a lot.

tomstacey

05-08-2007, 02:21 PM

Thanks Funkymojo

I was looking for something more... readily available

Mate you can buy repros on eBag... cheap enough too

Karadjas

05-08-2007, 03:01 PM

Awesome, thanks!

filosganga

05-09-2007, 03:32 AM

welshy40

05-09-2007, 10:37 AM

Filippo,

I understand that the top deck and chassis holes do not match up? If thats the case you can always file a file the difference away, but cannot understand unless fibrelyte made a mistake. I am really confused, can you attach pictures showing this and maybe I can understand better

filosganga

05-09-2007, 11:41 AM

I attach 2 pics with my problem. can you measure your chassis, it is possible fiber-lyte do in fall.
Tanks a lot!

welshy40

05-09-2007, 11:51 AM

Funkymojo or anyone else out there.

I need spares, so if anyone can list what they would be up for selling let me know the part numbers. cheers.

Filosganga,

Thats easy. I would recommend cutting the bottom strut which goes between each leg (the bridge between each leg at the bottom) do i make sense. when you have done that and tidied it up you can stretch the legs to each hole and make it fit, its sounds worse than what it is. If I have confused you let me know.

filosganga

05-09-2007, 11:57 AM

Filosganga,

Thats easy. I would recommend cutting the bottom strut which goes between each leg (the bridge between each leg at the bottom) do i make sense. when you have done that and tidied it up you can stretch the legs to each hole and make it fit, its sounds worse than what it is. If I have confused you let me know.

Ok it sound good, but why there is this difference? this item is different from your?

I can make this item in anticorodal or ergal (alluminium) by my friend. is it a good idea?

welshy40

05-09-2007, 01:30 PM

If you can make it out of aluminium then even better as it will make a bigger heat ink and cool the motor better. I also think that fibre lyte made an error somewhere but it isnt to difficult to fix

hardrider

05-10-2007, 02:54 AM

I could be wrong but... could the 2mm difference be due to a ZXR and ZXRR chassis? The chassis from both cars are just a little bit different aren't they?

tomstacey

05-10-2007, 08:39 AM

I had this problem on my Car too.. I reckon Kyosho changed the top deck support at some stage from 32 - 34mm.. I filed the holes out a little and it all snugged up nicely :)

tomstacey

05-10-2007, 08:40 AM

Funkymojo or anyone else out there.

I need spares, so if anyone can list what they would be up for selling let me know the part numbers. cheers.

he means ZXS spares by the way...

Welshy40 has a little secret ;)

welshy40

05-11-2007, 06:41 AM

yes, but I will reveal my secret when it looks good

Karadjas

05-14-2007, 06:20 PM

Exactly one month till im home and the deal is sealed... I can't wait to deck it out in carbon and shove a Vector X11 6.5 in this thing just to see if it can take it :D

welshy40

05-15-2007, 01:22 AM

Cool, Well I will now admit that I own a ZXS and a ZXS Evo. When they appear in the post I am decking them out with a Tekin R1 Pro as I will practice with a brushless and race with a brushed motor and the esc does both.

Then the Orion charger, I already have the Futaba syncro transmitter system. But I am unsure of what servo to go for. When I raced I used a KO1001 and it was rapid, but what is the one to use now?

tomstacey

05-15-2007, 03:30 AM

Welshy40 - is the tekin brushless system sensorless? I'd be interested to know how that drives if so.. Been very tempted by the LRP sensored system as it has been going down very well round here...

welshy40

05-15-2007, 10:48 AM

Tom,

Good question, i forgot to ask. I will keep you informed, hopefully will know before we meet up tomorrow.

welshy40

05-16-2007, 10:48 AM

Funkymojo

You in box is full so I cannot reply.

In answer to your question yes please.

mikuni

05-16-2007, 11:50 PM

I purchased a zx secondhand and I did not get a spur gear cover, time tunnel did not have the right LA-35. Do you know where i can find one. Have anybody fitted a cover from an other car, a little dremelling can of corse have to be done.

How does the original spur look like, i have a black about 88T with balldiff, as in the maual, the 64dp pinion seems to fit, but can the spure be the 0.6 type

mikuni

05-17-2007, 01:04 AM

Uups, new to discussion forums, I overdid the picture with the spur/pinjon.

The car that I bought has a nice body shell (my opinion), from what car can it be?

tomstacey

05-17-2007, 02:47 AM

Hiya. Welcome to the forum. The very nice bodyshell is the one most of us run, the LA112 Lazer ZX-S bodyshell.

This is much prettier than the ZX-R shell which went out of fashion very quickly!!

mikuni

05-17-2007, 04:19 AM

Yep the car looks that it goes 100mph even standing still,

I have a little problem to make it more rear wheel drive, now its kinda more front wheeldrive, at least the sandspray comes from the fron wheels more than rear, have to go to the track and see how it handles there, it tis the first time i am going to try it on track. On tarmac ith handles nice in 4wheel slide in high speed corners.

Least but not less, you have enice looking cars in this thred

tomstacey

05-17-2007, 04:39 AM

Ah-ha.. you need to adjust your centre diff I think. Having never had a ZX, only ZXRs I have never had a centre diff so can't help mate :(

Thanks for the comments on our cars - there is more to come too as we refine the Belt Drive Lazer series. :D

welshy40

05-17-2007, 11:18 AM

Mikuni,

Sorry mate I made a mistake that is the original gear and is the same size as a 100t 48dp spur. The drivetrain is set up 60/40 as standard when it is built and tends to pull more as the front has more power. I do not have my manual anywhere but it may be online somewhere or the guys here may have it for you. The zx drivetrain is the best that was made for all the lazers, yes the zxs is lovely but the zx is better in another way, as you can change the distribution and that makes it more user friendly. Well that is if you have the manual, and I have forgotten how to make it 50/50.

Your car is lovely and I would recommend you trying this company on ebay for the gear cover, but be quick

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=250115985022&fromMakeTrack=true

YR4Dude

05-17-2007, 12:53 PM

Hi,

Its been a while since I've posted here. Wow!! This thread has really gone far.

Anyways while we are on the subject of the center diff, among the parts that I have, is a diff half for the center diff. marked "rear oneway". How is this used? Is it for making the Lazer more driven in the front? I think I asked this years ago on this thread but I don't think there were any conclusive answers. Perhaps someone can answer this now. Thanks.

welshy40

05-17-2007, 01:25 PM

YR4Dude,

Is that actually the diff, as you can get a one way on the rear, I know it was common in the US possibly due to the surface raced on. Or it could be for using the front wheels for reversing, but I am unsure. Any pics?

YR4Dude

05-17-2007, 01:39 PM

I don't have pictures but it goes into the center differential/ spur. It is alum. with a oneway inside and splines to drive the small center gear that drives the rear belt.

welshy40

05-17-2007, 02:19 PM

oooh the one that came with the zx. That is most probably why it worked 60/40 more power to the front than the back, due to that one item. Its been a while since I used that system.

Yes there you are thinking about it, it reducced the power to the rear wheels, giving the car more turn in and out of corners than the standard 50/50 unit on other cars at the time. Have I made sense?

YR4Dude

05-17-2007, 02:56 PM

So since the rear wheels were driven part time and if the front was running a diff, then it would only have brakes in the front? Yes?

Can this set-up also be applied to the ZXR? Is there a reason why the ZXR had a slipper instead of the diff?

welshy40

05-17-2007, 03:01 PM

No it was weird but the car stopped dead, I have not the fogiest how it worked but the rear wheels stopped dead if you braked. The zxr and on were totally different as the section was a solid lump of metal and lacked something, basically that one way.

By the way does any one know who stocks Team atlas stuff as there isnt anyone that does in the uk

mikuni

05-17-2007, 03:04 PM

We tested the car on off road track today it does not go sideways through the corners, on tarmac it slides with all 4 wheels

It does brake on just rear wheels when one way is set up with 0.5mm gap. I have the manual, hopefully you can read the files.

YR4Dude

05-17-2007, 03:07 PM

In the states, www.integy.com

They have some Atlas stuff but I know they stopped importing it some time ago. All that they have left is left over stock.

welshy40

05-18-2007, 09:41 AM

YR4dude

the instructions explain it better. Thanks to Mikuni for that. I still feel that the zx layshaft and slipper system was the best they made for the lazers. The only improvement was on the hydra drive where you could screw another spur on without unscewing the slipper.

YR4Dude

05-18-2007, 11:22 AM

Funkymojo

05-18-2007, 12:52 PM

tomstacey

05-18-2007, 01:12 PM

I'm not sure which one Welshy is referring to, but Kyosho made a Hyper Clutch for the Lazer series (you can still order them) or I'm 90% sure you could retro fit a Losi (or it might have been the Schumacher) Hydra Drive. I'm sure some of the guys back in the day ran them on loose surfaces. :)

hardrider

05-18-2007, 08:14 PM

LAW12 Hyper clutch kit. It's installed on my ZX and ZXR.
Comes stock on the ZXS.

mikuni

05-19-2007, 12:24 AM

welshy40

05-19-2007, 03:33 PM

yup my fault, I am not the best typist in the world, its hyper. However I have seen one on a lazer. It is possible to make it work as well.

welshy40

05-19-2007, 03:36 PM

mikuni

05-20-2007, 01:06 AM

I think the spur and pinion you have is correct. 64dp is a lot more teeth compared to a 48 or .6 dp. Your car is .6 and is ok at the moment. I would recommend uprgrading your drivetrain to the hyper clutch as mentioned on the last page and getting a kimbrough 95 or 98 if they still do it in 48dp. Then you will find it easier to maintain your car as well as getting replacements gears to fit your car

Thank you welshy, i really appreciate your help.

We have the zx moving quite nice now with an old motor for which i do not know nothing about... The robitronic 17turn cheap esc is hardly getting warm, but the motor gets quite hot. We have a rate of about 9.5:1 with the 20T pinjon. I think i should put a smaller, perhaps 17T? Or do you think a stock 27 motor would handle 9.5:1

welshy40

05-20-2007, 04:59 AM

Mikuni

I would recommend that ratio of 9.5 to 1 on a 10 double motor, however I think the best ratio would be what you feel comfortable with

mikuni

05-20-2007, 06:10 AM

Eeh, my esc has a 17 turn limit, ok these questions are hard to answer, right?

Which part of the drive train is usually the first one to break under hot motor load, i do not have slipper yet.

tomstacey

05-20-2007, 12:33 PM

Not much on the Lazer series :) VERY strong drivetrain!

terry.sc

05-20-2007, 02:23 PM

dear welshy40

I take your main chassis from fiber-lyte, and it is ok but my rear top deck support have the bottom holes 32mm far while the chassis have the holes 34 mm far. So have you a different rear top deck support?

as rear top deck support i intend item that is connected to the motor plate and top deck.

Tanks
Filippo De LucaThe holes in both the original and the later ZX-RR support are the same, 32mm apart. The problem is a mistake by Fibrelyte. As suggested cutting the lower brace and bending the legs out will not work as this would also involve bending the motor mount, definitely not recommended. The only fix is to file the holes in the chassis, but after contacting Fibrelyte as they should replace it.

terry.sc

05-20-2007, 04:05 PM

I have a little problem to make it more rear wheel drive, now its kinda more front wheeldrive, at least the sandspray comes from the front wheels more than rear,
First thing to check is that the rear hexes are still fastened firmly to the axles. The right rear hex used to wear, this enlarges the hole in the centre and means you cannot tighten up the nut on the axle tight enough to drive. This will give a front wheel drive car. If the hexes aren't loose just tighten up the centre diff to get full 4wd.

The gear cover recommended by Welshy40 will not fit, that one is for the Optima (part number OT-102) and is too small for the Lazer.

Now the big one, an explanation of the ZX centre diff.

The ZX centre diff is unique due to the one ways used in the design. The standard setup included in the kit included the 'rear oneway' part, it is a one way built into the diff hub for the rear drive. What it does is make sure the centre diff only worked one way, and not the other. In the kit standard diff it meant that if the front wheels start to spin under acceleration the centre diff will then send all the power to the front and less to the rear. This will give lots of understeer as it acts as a front wheel drive car, which makes it easy to drive but harms the acceleration. If the rear wheels spin instead of the fronts the one way locks up and acts just like a normal 4wd transmission.

Generally this means with the kit setup if the diff is set loose the Lazer ZX will understeer as all the power will go to the front wheels. Tightening up the diff nut will give you full time 4wd. By adjusting the diff you can control how much bias there is to the front wheels.

The alternative diff setup (known as Type 3 by Kyosho) needed part number LAW4, reverse rear drive hub. This replaced the kit rear drive hub in the diff with another with the one way fitted the other way round. This means the diff works the opposite way to the standard one, so the diff will only allow the rear wheels to spin. This means when under acceleration if the diff is set loose it will act as a normal 4wd drivetrain if the front wheels slip, but if when cornering the rear wheels spin all the power goes to the rear. This means the car will tend to oversteer as in slippy conditions all the power is sent to the rear wheels.

One thing to note - the use of these one ways do not mean the Lazer ZX does not have permanent 4wd, they just control which way the diff action works.

Basically the ZX centre diff sent power to whichever end had the least grip unless you tightened it up, which is why the most common way of running it was to remove the diff balls and screw it down tight to give permanent 4wd. This is why Kyosho dropped it in favour of a much more useful slipper clutch in the ZX-R.

terry.sc

05-20-2007, 04:20 PM

Can anyone help me with the post 857, does the spur/pinjon seem to match, or can it not be seen from a picture. i have a 64dp pinjon, how does the 06 type kyosho differ from 64dp, are they close

Any suggestions what to replace the centerdiff with on my zx when/if i damage it, a slipper clutch, or is the original available anywhere
The standard gears in the Lazer are 0.6 module, the teeth are are a lot bigger than 64dp, they are equivalent to 42.33dp and are not compatible with any dp gears.

The centre diff should take any punishment you give it, removing the balls and locking it up will give a reliable drivetrain. If you want to fit the Hyper Clutch it is still available but it will cost you £49 to buy.

Which part of the drive train is usually the first one to break under hot motor load, i do not have slipper yet.A slipper isn't needed to protect the drivetrain, it is there to control traction on low grip surfaces. The Lazer transmission is very reliable, the weak spot is the pulleys on the layshaft if the bearings that keep the belts on the pulleys are left out of the gearboxes, causing the belts to jump and damaging the pulleys.

welshy40

05-20-2007, 04:25 PM

TerrySC

Superb, bang on, I couldnt explain it but you saved the day.

The gear cover has me puzzled, as I was told by the supplier that it was for a ZX. Never the less if its smaller I wonder if it would fit on a ZXS? Well I will find out soon as I ordered one, as well as an optima mid LWB body, as I want to race it next month.

I would however say that a slipper on the lazer is one thing that is required, as the rear belt does have a tendency to slowly break up in the gearbox. I cant explain it but I locked the slipper up at an indoor event and I ended up driving a front wheel drive car as the belt snapped.

welshy40

05-21-2007, 12:16 PM

Hey guys,
Any idea where Ican get a blue or silver alloy aerial mount? All I come across are purple which lok awful

mikuni

05-21-2007, 01:04 PM

TerrySC

Superb, bang on, I couldnt explain it but you saved the day.

The gear cover has me puzzled, as I was told by the supplier that it was for a ZX. Never the less if its smaller I wonder if it would fit on a ZXS? Well I will find out soon as I ordered one, as well as an optima mid LWB body, as I want to race it next month.

Let's see about the spur cover, i bought it for my zx from ebay. It might fit because i have a smaller spur than standard, its 88T 64dp. I dremeled a temporary spur cover from a alu beer can, it looks silly but protects from stones, and it gives me smiles at the track

terry.sc

05-21-2007, 01:47 PM

I would however say that a slipper on the lazer is one thing that is required, as the rear belt does have a tendency to slowly break up in the gearbox. I cant explain it but I locked the slipper up at an indoor event and I ended up driving a front wheel drive car as the belt snapped.
Yeah, shortly after buying the ZX and discovering the disadvantages of the drive system I drilled through the diff to lock it up. Rear belts and layshaft pulleys lasted about 2 to 3 weeks of club racing, never mind anything serious.

Assembling it as in the manual but leaving the diff balls out means it acts as a solid layshaft most of the time, but under shock loads the diff washers slip on the gear which protects the belt from damage. I used this method for years, even after the ZX-R came out with a slipper clutch, and never had another snapped rear belt.

welshy40

05-21-2007, 02:36 PM

cool,

Well I suppose as I only used a 10 double (with exception of the one off 13 double made by my mate that I raced Masami with) the belt would have had a problem keeping up and broke.

But if your not on a high grip track then I cant see why it wont work. I have only had one loss in an event and that was the belt snapping, and proved to me for high torque drivers that a slipper is a vital tool as without it you gearbox will not be there for long.

tomstacey

05-21-2007, 02:45 PM

The Rear belt can tend to rot, especially if you get any WD-40 in there during cleaning. Both my 1991 ZXs snapped their rear belts after being stored for some years with oil or Wd-40 in the rear gearbox. :( It does say in the manual that belts will need periodic replacement.

Since making sure the belts have been kept bone dry and the cars used regularly they have been great, and that's with a 7 turn motor!

welshy40

05-21-2007, 04:42 PM

Tom,

WD40 is awful stuff. Use GT85 as that is what disperses liquid and dirt, whereas WD40 attracts it. Gutted mate. Ive just worked out what i have just paid out over the last two weeks. So far 1300 pounds and still counting. Yes it is expensive if you want to get back into this hobby. I need an esc (hoefully brushless and brushed version) but am unsure what to go for, so am hoping Tekin bring theirs out very soon.

Also batteries, and need opinions from everyone here. What are the 4200's like?

Spares for my car may be turning up over the next couple of months. I dont understand everyone who has a ZXS, the spares are there, all you have to do is contact Kyosho Japan and ask for the parts, heck I ordered three more Evo's in spares, as well as 6 gear covers and 5 or six shells as well. Im waiting on quite a bit of stuff for the zxrr as well such as hyper drive and other gumf. Then there is the team atlas stuff as well and i am hoping for a reply to the stock I want.

When this is all done and the car is running (its in bits as Ive stripped it and sent the flat bits to fibre lyte) I will figure out the MIP driveshafts and hope that all Lazer drivers will be able to upgrade to MIP as well.

I may send one shell to this site http://www.fibreshells.co.uk/ and get one made up, then if more of us on the ZX site want them we can buy them, if the interest is good. Read the site its good.

hardrider

05-22-2007, 01:37 AM

GT85 works great! I use that and only that on my bicycles. Great stuff! Someone once told me WD40 has an evaporative effect which leaves stuff overly dry and brittle. That could be the culprit of snapped belts.

From experience, I am not a huge fan of IB batteries. The last IBs I had were 3800s and 3600s. Those things worked well when new but their performance deteoriorated much faster than I expected. That was painful considering how pricey those things cost. Moved back to some old GP3300s and I'm happy with them. Age is catching up on them though. I have just made the move to lipos for my cars. As much as some people feel they are unstable, I reckon otherwise. I don't need any fancy discharger, equalizer, etc just to keep my cells in tip top shape. HA! The post office just called. My lipos are here! :D

Of course some race regulations forbid lipos to be used. I intend to use my lipos as practice and bashing packs, while maintaining a small fleet of nimh for raceday. Lower mileage will hopefully keep those sensitive nimhs lasting longer. I heard the newest batch of GP4300 gives good performance and durability. Funky, care to feed us more info on that? :cool: I'm so eagerly waiting the release of Tekin's R1 Pro. That's on my wishlist! My Mamba Max works well but it has a rather large footprint and fitting it under a sleek buggy shell has been a bit of a challenge.

I'd be interested in a fibreglass shell. How much would it cost? Considering there aren't THAT many Lazer ZX/ZXR/ZXS in the market.

mikuni

05-22-2007, 04:07 AM

I have just made the move to lipos for my cars. As much as some people feel they are unstable, I reckon otherwise. I don't need any fancy discharger, equalizer, etc just to keep my cells in tip top shape. HA!

As moved from electric flight to cars, I heard horror stories what happened after a crash with a lipo plane, everything seems fine, (lipos a little damaged) until you sit i your car on your way home... then a larege fireball.

But the lipos might be better now

welshy40

05-22-2007, 10:49 AM

I havent approached the web site yet. I will if my four or five shells appear, then one will go off to them and we will see how much and see how good the quality is. You would be surprised how many people want these shells. I mean everyone who is on the zx thread may want one, so it could actually make this company break even after the mould has been made and then is profit from there onwards.

Yes im keeping to nimh but wasnt too sure what the 4200 were like. I suppose i will have to buy to find out wont i.

Guys, I have two things that I need assistance on.

1. The rather smart Team Atlas looking Kyosho cvd type ujs for the ZX5. Do they fit the ZX, ZXR? The fronts will be 68mm and rears 65.5mm so the extra hole on the front castor block should accomodate but I am uncertain. If someone here has both please find out, as if its a yes then we can all upgrade to better quality ujs.

2. Anyone have any YZ10 2.2 inch wheels that they want to seel me. Preferably new ones as I am currently spending a fortune on making the ZXS look stunning (i am enjoying myself - have to thank Scoobster for that) and of course adding my touch on a few items here and there, but due to it being a ZXS and not an evo it comes with the yok wheels. I will buy if you want to sell so let me know, or beter still if you know of a shop that still sells them let me know. Thanks guys

terry.sc

05-22-2007, 01:53 PM

4200 batteries depends on the make.

All the serious racers use Intellect IB4200s as they have a little bit more voltage and a little less resistance, nothing else will do for them. But there are many cases of batteries dying after only 6-10 charges. If you get them to last racers are replacing them after 3-4 months as they lose their edge quite quickly. The cells when left between meetings discharge at different rates, so they need to be put on an equaliser tray before you charge them. If not whichever cell has discharged the least will vent when charged, in the very odd case they do explode - make lipos seem safer as they just catch fire, IB4200s send acid and shrapnel across the room.

The GP4300s are more reliable, not quite as punchy as IB4200s but at least they won't die on you. Also look at EP4200s, Demon are selling them as Firecrackers and work out about £10 per pack cheaper than IB4200s.

mikuni

05-22-2007, 01:58 PM

Thank you terry.sc for the posts regarding the center diff, i have now removed the balls from the diff, but havent had time to test yet

hardrider

05-22-2007, 09:18 PM

I have personally seen IB4200 explode at a local race.
It was quite a commotion in the pit as the pack was bulging up before it blew. It was all strapped up in the car, ready to roll... then it happend. Quite a mess with some minor burns to clothing when it popped.
Till this day, nobody knows how and why it happened.
Labelled it a freak accident. Quite an eye opener really.

mikuni

05-22-2007, 11:12 PM

Is the LA-12 (rear)belt a industrial standard belt? I am afraid that the day the supply of the above mentioned belt ends...

My zx do not seem so much driven, but the day it snaps, i have one sad son. The car has been on the shelf for 4 years by the previous owner

Or is there an another brand than Kyosho that uses the same.

welshy40

05-31-2007, 11:38 AM

you can request a special order from Kyosho Japan for several rear belts as well as LA11 which are the little gears for the layshaft. Hope that helps

mikuni

05-31-2007, 12:24 PM

you can request a special order from Kyosho Japan for several rear belts as well as LA11 which are the little gears for the layshaft. Hope that helps

Thank you welshy
How do you contact them, by e-mail or is ther an other better way. I suppose my Japanese skills are worse than my english

Belts are on their way from time tunnel, i took 2 rear and 1 front, but the small plastic layshaft gears scares me, if they break...

I have now purchased a kimbrough 93T spur, but i have to manufacture a new bushing between the 4mm axle and 9.5mm hole in the spur

terry.sc

06-01-2007, 02:42 AM

The Lazer belts are a standard 3mm HTD belt type, the problem is the minimum width for stock size belts is 6mm. As you've found, lazer belts are still stock items.

welshy40

06-01-2007, 11:23 AM

Spur gears, well if you get the new hyper clutch (which is fifty pounds) then you can screw them straight on (LAW12). However I would recommend getting a 48dp 97,98 or a 99 if you are lucky. Kimbrough may actually do these but I am unsure. You can easily get away using a 97 easily as I have used one before.

If you go onto Kyosho japan website you will find it, but its in japanese so you may need to upgrade your reader to translate japanese. Other wise I would ask a shop to special order them for you from Japan.

welshy40

06-02-2007, 06:25 AM

guys,

Does anyone have the zxr manual on PDF, as I need the exploded diagram as parts on it fit the zxs and I am currently stuck on a diff part number

mikuni

06-02-2007, 11:46 AM

Here you find one in electronic format

http://www.retromodelisme.com/manuels_pages/52/lazer-zx-r-kyosho.html but i do not think the exploded view was there, be sure to download the high res version

They also have articles on old cars

welshy40

06-02-2007, 01:49 PM

Well I have to say that the optima mid LWB only just fits the Lazer ZXS, but with a few problems near the rear. The shell looks narrower than the ZXS shell. I cant wait to get my four or five shells soon, then the mid shell will no longer be needed.

thanks for the manual website, which by the way if anyone wants to see how the Pro x was built look at the manual. The collection is amazing, ive raced a lot of them including the top cat.

terry.sc

06-02-2007, 06:14 PM

Yeah, retromodelisme is a really great site for manuals, kept me busy for a while when it first went live. The ZX-R manual includes the supplement for the ZX-R mk2 version as well.

If you want the supplement for the ZX-RR, including the Hyper Clutch, I have it here
Page 1 (http://www.thetechshed.co.uk/zxrrsupplement1.jpg)
Page 2 (http://www.thetechshed.co.uk/zxrrsupplement2.jpg)

I can do a side by side comparison of the Mid Custom and ZX-S shells in the next day or two and I'll put some pictures up.

welshy40

06-03-2007, 06:03 AM

Terry,

Im hoping to get a lot of zxs shells but in the mean time am using the mid shell. It is narrower but the problem i am now having is the rear of the zxs car doesnt fit flush and that may cause a problem when I race it. Well maybe thats why the redesigned the shell as the zxs is something special.

Cheers for the hyperclutch. My other ZXS is on its way and the hyperclutch from what i am hearing is different but maybe due to it being the development one before the zxs was brought out

welshy40

06-04-2007, 12:29 PM

I found this and thought you guys would want stickers for a ZX or ZXRR or even a Mid. Heck he has several of each for sale so go for it guys

http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/KYOSHO-VINTAGE-DECALS-SCORPION-OPTIMA-LAZER-LANDJUMP-OT_W0QQitemZ170118155758QQihZ007QQcategoryZ34063QQ rdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

terry.sc

06-05-2007, 07:15 AM

They are very good reproductions, Marwan reproduces them himself, see his TC traderoom (http://www.tamiyaclub.com/trades.asp?id=5484) for the full range and better photos.
He is also the source of a lot of the manuals on retromodelisme.

Okay, comparison of Mid Custom and ZX-S bodies. I can confirm again that they are basically the same body, with minor changes. The ZX- S shell has the blue lines drawn on it, the Mid Custom shell has black paint on the rear section, must get round to finishing the painting. As can be seen the bodies are from the same mould, the Mid specific bubble on the side pod and bumps to clear the shock mount are removed for the ZX-S and bumps are added to clear the ZX-S steering arms and end of the layshaft. http://www.tcphotos.com/getuserimage.asp?t=n&id=img297_05062007112127_1.jpg

The bodies fit together nicely.
http://www.tcphotos.com/getuserimage.asp?t=n&id=img297_05062007112127_3.jpg

The side profiles are identical and on the top edge of the window frame of
the ZX-S shell you can see a change at the point where the Mid shell window ended, this shows the original Mid mould has been modified to create the ZX-S shell. http://www.tcphotos.com/getuserimage.asp?t=n&id=img297_05062007112127_2.jpg

The fine moulding marks on the rear of the Mid shell are still on the ZX-S shell as well. There are also faint witness marks on the ZX-S shell where the bubble on the left side of the Mid shell has been removed. http://www.tcphotos.com/getuserimage.asp?t=n&id=img297_05062007112127_4.jpg

This shows the problem is the Mid undertray compared with the Lazer chassis, the sloping section means the undertray will not fit flush with the standard Lazer chassis, although the chassis can easily be cut down to fit.
http://www.tcphotos.com/getuserimage.asp?t=n&id=img297_05062007112127_5.jpg

welshy40

06-05-2007, 12:08 PM

Terry,

Yes your right as i made the error. I wasnt paying attention to the fact the ZXS shell i hve (its worn out) was flush onto of the LWB Optinma shell and yes its a perfect fit.

It does seem fractionally different on the undertray though. I no longer own my ZXR or ZXRS but ive got several ZXS and the rear of the chassis doesnt fit the optima LWB shell due to the edges rounding up early.

Its a pity as its not bad at all. Yes the bulges, and i was certain it was a couple of mm to narrow but you are right and point well proven. Yes you can easily see the shell is almost identical, but the indertray is the difference.

So are you making your own mould yet? I would like to make some more gear covers so can you give me advice on how to make a mould so I can use this to get some new covers made for my ZXS?

The stickers for the ZXS are on theri way to me direct from Kyosho, so when i get them i will get the scanned so if we need any for any one, i will designate a company that will get the scan so we can all get them.

terry.sc

06-05-2007, 07:08 PM

Yeah, the Optima chassis is narrower and shorter than the Lazer ones, didn't comment on it as cutting the back of the undertray away isn't a problem.

Regarding making undertrays work the past month has meant either lots of long days working, or laid up with an injured back. The problem of being self employed is the amount of time it takes up, especially when you are trying to catch up with delayed work.

To make your own mould is relatively simple, if you have the right materials. The simple option is to coat the gear cover with a mould release agent, such as mould release wax which is then polished to give the good surface finish. Then fill the gear cover with a resin, the tricky part is using the right resin. Standard casting resins melt at a lower temperature than the plastic being vacformed, you need a specialist tooling resin to make a pattern that can be used many times. You then need to drill 0.8-1mm diameter holes in the inside corners of the pattern to let the air out from under the mould when vacforming. You've then just got to find someone to vacform them for you.

g0202180

06-13-2007, 07:17 AM

Some shots of my clean up. :)

Would like to get some extra belts though. :( Anyone know where to get them? Or can belts from other kits fit as well?...any idea?

http://img502.imageshack.us/img502/9670/clean1ep0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/682/clean2bl5.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

g0202180

06-13-2007, 07:22 AM

Hi Terry what do you mean by 3mm HTD belts are stock items?:confused:

The Lazer belts are a standard 3mm HTD belt type, the problem is the minimum width for stock size belts is 6mm. As you've found, lazer belts are still stock items.

terry.sc

06-14-2007, 04:14 AM

I meant Lazer belts are still available from Kyosho

K.LA12 REAR DRIVE BELT(SHORT) - LAZER SERIES £6.76
K.LA13 FT DRIVE BELT - LAZER /EP SPI/TF3 £8.60

http://www.tamiyaparts.co.uk/tamiyaparts/tpx/kyosho.htm

g0202180

06-15-2007, 10:48 PM

Thanks terry! I see. They still have stock yea?

Just wondering, any folks here counted how many teeth the long and short belt has? :confused:

I meant Lazer belts are still available from Kyosho

K.LA12 REAR DRIVE BELT(SHORT) - LAZER SERIES £6.76
K.LA13 FT DRIVE BELT - LAZER /EP SPI/TF3 £8.60

http://www.tamiyaparts.co.uk/tamiyaparts/tpx/kyosho.htm

welshy40

06-25-2007, 02:23 PM

Thanks terry! I see. They still have stock yea?

Just wondering, any folks here counted how many teeth the long and short belt has? :confused:

Why dont you count the teeth on your belts on your car? We only order the belts and fit them, obviously with new drive gears as well. There are manufacturers that you can contact to get belts as well so even if Kyosho stops there are plenty out there who can duplicate them.

welshy40

06-25-2007, 02:25 PM

Guys here they are, my new ZXS, ZXS Evo and twin ZXS Evo.

The ZXS has the proto shocks on with the standard Yokomo wheels. I havent got round to ordering the losi shocks yet, as its still a working project.

However the other two I have done a lot of work on, and now all screws are hex type stainless steel, as well as the countersunk screws. One of the Evos had to have a different top wishbone pivot holder as the shock tower was to thick, so I came up with a better solution that was in place. I have made the cars more user friendly and quicker to take apart.

My next step is to see if Fibre lyte can copy the clear plastic gear covers (that tamiya, yokomo, and the rest have copied the design) so it can strengthen the car even more. I have already had the rest copied with exception of the Main chassis which will be done sooner or later as well.

When the bodies are painted I will post the completed versions for you to see (well the Evos anyway).

fabolousRC

07-15-2007, 06:16 AM

what do you use for your front bumper welshy? I would like to know if I have an alternative bumper rather than waiting for the ultra rare (and ultra expensive) OT-93...

welshy40

07-15-2007, 12:34 PM

what do you use for your front bumper welshy? I would like to know if I have an alternative bumper rather than waiting for the ultra rare (and ultra expensive) OT-93...

Im using the standard LA103 which is even more rarer than OT93. OT93 wouldnt fit (well I doubt it would but may be possible). Still its not a ZX but a ZXS which means that the only parts that relate to a Lazer ZX and ZXR are the wishbones, driveshafts, layshaft and slipper, as well as the diffs and layshaft gears. The rest is different.

fabolousRC

07-16-2007, 10:49 PM

Im using the standard LA103 which is even more rarer than OT93. OT93 wouldnt fit (well I doubt it would but may be possible). Still its not a ZX but a ZXS which means that the only parts that relate to a Lazer ZX and ZXR are the wishbones, driveshafts, layshaft and slipper, as well as the diffs and layshaft gears. The rest is different.

I'm looking for one for my ZX Sport chassis...

welshy40

07-17-2007, 11:23 AM

mmmm ok well have you tried time tunnel for your spares. Other wise I found that there re a variety of nitro cars bumpers that do fit with a bit of modding and they look really nice as well. Other wise Ebay has a few on every now and then, but make sure you search world wide.

tomstacey

07-17-2007, 11:37 AM

I have some new in packet Parma bumpers which are a replacement for OT-93. They look slightly different, but fit fine and offer more protection.

PM me if you are interested.

Karadjas

08-02-2007, 02:25 PM

Well, here it is... It's in much worse condition than I remember it being :huh:
Rusty and stripped screws, different sizes, rusted turnbuckles... 2 missing shocks and 2 missing dogbones! My friend said he'll look for them, but even if he can't find them, there has to be some alternative.
It has a slipper clutch and center one way, carbon rear shock tower.

Excuse the bad cell phone pics, light is bad :o

welshy40

08-02-2007, 04:44 PM

Karadjas,

Not bad, its in need of some tender loving care but when done correctly it will be able to compete with the new cars out there with ease, as I have recently proved.

I would get a set of associated shocks, and find a shell for it, I know there is a company on ebay selling remoulds of a ZX shell and undertray, so worth getting that and hope you have a gear cover, then game on.

Carbon fibre stuff is on fibre-lyte.co.uk so have a blast from the past and get it to the present. Oh yes they also do the pivot holders (the wishbone pole mounts) as they copied mine, but you may have to do a bit of ork on the inner blocks as they need to be bolted onto the chassis, due to no thread being available on Carbon fibre.

Have fun and hope to see the results.

Karadjas

08-02-2007, 07:46 PM

I tried taking it apart today, some screws are seized and the gearbox is held on with 4mm screws instead of what should be 3mm judging from the chassis countersinking... Top plate is broken off at the front, I was going to get fibrelyte anw, drivetrain feels very stiff, there's always ONE seized screw on EVERY part...
Oh and no gear cover. That, the rear shocks, front dogbones and wing were lost somewhere in my mate's mountain of parts lol
Man this rebuild is going to be uphill all the way! I can't complain though, I got for the price of a very simple paintjob I haven't even done yet :D

I'm leaving for a 4 day vacation tomorrow morning, so update on its condition should be mid next week... Don't expect much though, judging from first impressions I'd be better off chucking it in the bin and getting another one!

List so far is fibrelyte top plate, front tower, pivot holders, gearbox brace, shocks, wheels and tyres, body and electronics.Possibly a rear diff, IF I can find one. I don't think I'll be putting the LRP Vector X11 6.5t in this one, the TB02 has a better chance of taking it like a man :D

welshy40

08-05-2007, 05:39 AM

fabolousRC

08-06-2007, 06:58 PM

I have some new in packet Parma bumpers which are a replacement for OT-93. They look slightly different, but fit fine and offer more protection.

PM me if you are interested.

I'm still waiting for the pictures that you never sent...:teacher:

pUs

08-07-2007, 06:09 AM

pUs

08-07-2007, 06:11 AM

Shocks - get associated
Wheels - ZX5 white ones
Body - ZX
Diff - Pure ten diffs are what I use and are perfect in every detail
Shock mount on the front - The circular one is better that the standard one
Rear mount - the standard one is perfect
Fibrelyte do the pivot holders but are not listed, so make sure you specify the lazer zx or zxr that I sent then to copy and they will make then for you

Put in the fastes motor you want as the car can easily handle it

Just a quick question.. pivot holders. Are you refering to the inner suspension blocks? I thought you only could use the standard plastic items or aluminium ones. Is there a third solution out there as well? :confused:

welshy40

08-07-2007, 12:36 PM

Hi there, dunno if there's still any action in this old Lazer thread. :)

However, I'm trying to restore an old ZXR and am looking for a few parts. I'm in need of the aluminium suspension holders, and also a rear anti-rollbar. Is there anyone out there who knows where I might get this?

Also, a fibre-lyte moulded carbon tub chassis would be nice, but I guess these might be quite rare these days..

Just a quick question.. pivot holders. Are you refering to the inner suspension blocks? I thought you only could use the standard plastic items or aluminium ones. Is there a third solution out there as well?

The tub chassis is on file as I designed it.

Roll bar is from time tunnels web site

Pivot holders are what the wishbone poles go into. Plastic and alloy are discontinued. That is why I copied them in carbon fibre and a bit of work is required as well as it is strong

pUs

08-08-2007, 11:41 AM

The tub chassis is on file as I designed it.

Roll bar is from time tunnels web site

Pivot holders are what the wishbone poles go into. Plastic and alloy are discontinued. That is why I copied them in carbon fibre and a bit of work is required as well as it is strong

Yeah I know, I've read through most of this thread at work actually. :) But it didn't even help to mention your name to fibre-lyte. They simply didn't know what parts I meant when I talked about the suspension mounts.

I searched on the time tunnel site, couldn't find a single kyosho part there though.. ? :confused:

I'm close to giving up on my ZXR project already. Might as well run my original ZXS instead. It might sound strange, but it actually seems easier to get parts for the 'S', even though it's quite exotic..

terry.sc

08-08-2007, 04:20 PM

I searched on the time tunnel site, couldn't find a single kyosho part there though.. ? :confused:

Try here http://www.tamiyaparts.co.uk/tamiyaparts/tpx/kyosho.htm

The anti roll bar set is
K.LAW2 STABILISER SPORT/ZXR/ZXRR £13.72

The original wishbone mounts are part number LA-30. I find it easier to just find a used chassis on ebay to give you a supply of spares unless you are building something to sit on the shelf. You can always sell on the rest of the parts.

The tub chassis is on file as I designed it.
Doesn't matter if they have it on file, depends on whether they still have the mould and drilling jigs, can't see them spending all that money machining a new pattern just for one or two chassis. It took months of pestering by Jonathan at Atomic Carbon (one of their trade customers) before they managed to find the RC10 tub mould. As the RC10 tub now costs £105 if it was produced expect a Lazer tub to be a similar price.

Karadjas

08-08-2007, 07:01 PM

welshy40

08-09-2007, 01:20 AM

Doesn't matter if they have it on file, depends on whether they still have the mould and drilling jigs, can't see them spending all that money machining a new pattern just for one or two chassis. It took months of pestering by Jonathan at Atomic Carbon (one of their trade customers) before they managed to find the RC10 tub mould. As the RC10 tub now costs £105 if it was produced expect a Lazer tub to be a similar price.

Terry,

Atomic Carbon is a small operation, whereas fibrelyte are a lot bigger. They make CF bikes and i believe were involved in the bike that won the olympics, as well as motor bike parts etc and the list goes on. Whatever I have sent them is on file, and they can make it, once they have found the image on their computer. The tub chassis would be around £80 mark.

The origional and first ZX/ZXR tub chassis which fibrelyte made for me from a photocopy of my origonal ZX chassis (with 6 battery holes). ZX/RJI6

welshy40

08-09-2007, 01:21 AM

I've started rebuilding what I could take apart... baby steps :D
It's more like a rebuild mock-up, I need to take the rear end apart again and give it a good cleaning before rebuilding it. Surprisingly, the hinge pin holders have no slop, there is no binding anywhere and the bearings roll perfectly!

I need to save some money to bring my 1:1 to tip top shape (dings and dents) and then I'll be back in London for uni, so I don't think this will be completed before Xmas.

Well if you are in London then maybe we should meet up one day, as i live in this concrete jungle as well. I dont have my ZX any more but can give you pointers if needed.

PUS

I will get the part numbers for the pivot blocks for you. Do you need any other help? Also the Lazer 2000 shares parts for the ZXR but some have different part numbers, so worth looking at the manual online. But pivot blocks, chassis, top deck, shock towers, steering plate, servo plate are all available at fibrelyte. Also diffs, a pure ten diff kit will do, if you ever need one. Shocks, ball joints, tie rods are down to what you prefer.

pUs

08-09-2007, 09:51 AM

Well if you are in London then maybe we should meet up one day, as i live in this concrete jungle as well. I dont have my ZX any more but can give you pointers if needed.

PUS

I will get the part numbers for the pivot blocks for you. Do you need any other help? Also the Lazer 2000 shares parts for the ZXR but some have different part numbers, so worth looking at the manual online. But pivot blocks, chassis, top deck, shock towers, steering plate, servo plate are all available at fibrelyte. Also diffs, a pure ten diff kit will do, if you ever need one. Shocks, ball joints, tie rods are down to what you prefer.

Pure ten diffs.. do you have any parts numbers for these (complete kits if possible)? I don't particularly like the action of my diffs as it is now. They're new, but nowhere as smooth as I would like. Are the pure 10 items different in some ways?

I'll probably just buy some damper mounts from fibrelyte, since I have a carbon Mk1 chassis already. Also the ZX steering plate. Regarding Lazer 2000 parts.. I won some on ebay today. What parts actually fit on the ZXR? The front gearbox moulding looks suspiciously similair..

I also might have found a very good source for Lazer parts. I don't know for sure yet, but in a week or so I'll know specifically what is available and what isn't. :)

welshy40

08-09-2007, 04:48 PM

PUS

Have a look at the manual for the lazer 2000, as i cant remember what parts do.

The diffs are pretty poor for ball diffs and the pure ten are roughly identical. The other option is gear diffs, so maybe best to just rebuild the diffs and hope they work well.

Any way the items i have attached are the bits that you were unable to get. These pics should help, and hope that under my name they have these items. Just mention James and the lazer designs they have cut and the part number and hey presto i hope they find it.LA30 are the pivot holders, but maybe worth emailing them the pics that have no number to them and they can see from that

Karadjas

08-09-2007, 06:15 PM

Woah those are all the parts I need to get for mine, except for the front tower that I need instead of the rear one (already have a carbon one)

Which of all the front towers is the most durable? I won't race so I don't mind sacrificing some adjustment in favour of more durability. Also I couldn't find any Lazer bodies on ebay.. anyone have the guy's name?

Thanks!
Michael Karatzias

pUs

08-09-2007, 11:54 PM

welshy40

08-10-2007, 01:19 PM

Do you have any additional picture of how you mount those pivot blocks to the chassis plate? I can't see how it should be done. Ok, the ones that you screw onto the gearbox, no problems. But the mounts that "sit" on the chassis?

Pus,

Ok the slim one is for the front, where you will have to do what they do with the zxs and use a circular bushing with an allen key grub screw and fit it in he slot on the wishbone front and rear. I cant remeber if i did one for the rear as well, most probably did. The inner pivot blocks (the one on the right) only has the holes for the pivot pins, so you will have to drill the hols and put a copper spacer in so the carbon fibre doesnt split, but make sure you glue it in, and obviously is wide enough so a 3mm screws can go through and a bolt on the top to keep it located to the chassis. The front behind the gear box I did one one front screws straight in, the one behind the front gearbox i cant remember where my pic is but i did do it as well. Oh the left thick block is the rear as if you can cut it to shape then even better. I know work is needed but it will be worth it

tomstacey

08-11-2007, 04:24 PM

Here are the Optima Mid/Lazer bumpers I have. they are NIP.

PM for details :) Tom

Karadjas

08-12-2007, 02:08 PM

MY mate found another body, a wing, the gear cover and 4 extra hexes. He saw the wing mount somewhere but couldn't find it today, and the dogbones are probably stashed away in the deepest darkest corners of his r/c warehouse.

Are there any alternatives to the dogbones? As in parts from another vehicle, preferably universals? I'm thinking ZX5 might...

tomstacey

08-12-2007, 02:25 PM

Hi mate. ZX 5 Universal ones will not fit, The plain dogbones might...

I reckon Lazer Alpha/2000 axles and dogbones are the same, but not 100% sure.

welshy40

08-13-2007, 10:15 AM

Driveshafts are easily obtainable from tunnel hobbies or Ben racing. You need to look on the manual for the uj part number (im not in the same county as my manual at the moment), but worth while getting the standard length for the rear and the longer ones for the front so you can widen the front end and that makes the handling characteristics of this car even better. The part numbers could be W5061 and W5063, but I would recommend you conforming this as my memory isnt that good with the part numbers. The rear mount is still available, but am uncertain of the number as well (it could be UMW-1) Hope this helps.

tomstacey

08-13-2007, 10:24 AM

It is UMW 1 which is not available.. but the older Lazer ZX wing mount that mounts on the back of the gearbox (with an OT part number) is available :)

pUs

08-13-2007, 10:35 AM

fabolousRC

08-14-2007, 05:03 AM

welshy40

08-14-2007, 07:11 AM

W5061

UNIVERSAL SWING SHAFT
$30.00

W5063

UNIVERSAL SWING SHAFT(3L)
$20.00

Those are kyosho america prices.

Not to shabby indeed.:D

Get them, as the longer fronts are the hardest to get.

Karadjas - the shock tower with the circular type top is the one to get if you are going to race, as if you roll it actually helps to get the car back on its wheels, well 8 out of ten attemots anyway. Its also very strong

Pus - with the one behind the gearbox (pivot holders) the block only has the holes for the pivots from the wishbones. You have to drill the two holes in as fibrelyte wont do it due to the possibility of splitting the CF. However they said if the right drill bits is used they cant see it being a problem. Also I would recommend drilling slightly bigger holes and putting in a metal tube to protect the CF once the screw is in. Then once done you will need longer counter sunk screws which are not self tappers and use a standard washer and nut at the top and bolt the two screws to the pivot block. Its that simple. I have no pics, but imagine looking at your standard one now but with a nut on either hole and its as simple as that.

The front I did fit but cant find any pics anywhere, but they were made for me. Sorry, but fitting that is not that hard either, just use a bit of your imagination and job done.

welshy40

08-14-2007, 07:19 AM

Ok, slowly getting there. I got a somewhat reconditioned ZX-RR in the mail today. It didn't look much used at all, so I might use it either for parts or build my lazer from that one instead (have an unbuilt ZX-R Mk2 as well).

However, one thing made me wonder. The diffs feel actually feel nice and smooth. Were there any difference between the diffs on the R/MK2 and RR?

Also, since it's an RR I noticed it also came with the hyperclutch. Are there any large enough 48DP spurs available? I might have some 90T spurs around here somewhere, but I feel it won't be enough..

PUS - the diffs are slightly different, but you just have to be sure you dont over tighten when you rebuild. If you do then the diffs sound rough. I managed to get the team atlas diffs which make the Kyosho ones seem really rough, but are no longer available.Pity. Still the Pure ten are the Mk1 diffs and i preffered them to the ZXR mk2. Well in my opinion anyway.

The hyperclutch is superb and well worth having, but do not use a 90t spur. It doesnt work well. I have used a 98,99,100,101,102,103 and 104. You can still get 99 or 98 from RW or another manufacturer so worth a look, but make sure that the holes are the same.

pUs

08-14-2007, 09:34 AM

Pus - with the one behind the gearbox (pivot holders) the block only has the holes for the pivots from the wishbones. You have to drill the two holes in as fibrelyte wont do it due to the possibility of splitting the CF. However they said if the right drill bits is used they cant see it being a problem. Also I would recommend drilling slightly bigger holes and putting in a metal tube to protect the CF once the screw is in. Then once done you will need longer counter sunk screws which are not self tappers and use a standard washer and nut at the top and bolt the two screws to the pivot block. Its that simple. I have no pics, but imagine looking at your standard one now but with a nut on either hole and its as simple as that.

The front I did fit but cant find any pics anywhere, but they were made for me. Sorry, but fitting that is not that hard either, just use a bit of your imagination and job done.

Ok, thanks for the explanation, it was a bit like I thought then.

However, time is too limited for stuff like that nowadays, (or perhaps a bit too lazy), so I searched and searched and finally managed to get hold of a set of those blue aluminium items instead. Also another RR, and some spares. Plus B4 shocks, RPM ball ends, those blue teamline hub carriers, custom mid shell etc.

Now all I got to do is putting everything together. :)

Edit: Is there any company on the web that stocks RW spurs?

terry.sc

08-14-2007, 06:15 PM

Terry,

Atomic Carbon is a small operation, whereas fibrelyte are a lot bigger. They make CF bikes and i believe were involved in the bike that won the olympics, as well as motor bike parts etc and the list goes on. Whatever I have sent them is on file, and they can make it, once they have found the image on their computer. The tub chassis would be around £80 mark.

The origional and first ZX/ZXR tub chassis which fibrelyte made for me from a photocopy of my origonal ZX chassis (with 6 battery holes). ZX/RJI6Atomic Carbons parts are made by Fibre-Lyte, they have a good business relationship with Fibre-Lyte which is how he persuaded them to remake the RC10 tub. I know what Fibre-Lyte make and who they make parts for. The difference is that the tub chassis isn't just cut from sheet from a computer file, it has to be laid up by hand then drilled using a jig.

The tub has to be made by hand, which takes time which is why they are expensive. They have started doing the RC10 tubs at £105 each, which does not include the nose section. Due to the time taken setting up they will not produce the nose section unless they have multiple orders for the parts.

Are you honestly saying that if I rang Martin Hansell up he would supply a one off tub chassis for £80? We are having problems just getting custom r/c bike parts off them at the moment and those are flat sheet.

terry.sc

08-14-2007, 06:39 PM

Regarding Lazer 2000 parts.. I won some on ebay today. What parts actually fit on the ZXR? The front gearbox moulding looks suspiciously similair..

The Lazer 2000 parts aren't the same, but they should fit. The front gearbox moulding has the rear wishbone mounts moulded in and the rear gearbox is in only two pieces with the shock mount support moulded in to it. This means you have to either use the Lazer 2000 rear wishbone mount screwed to the chassis, or cut the bottom section off the ZX shock mount support to give you an attachment for the ZX rear wishbone mount.

The front bumper will also fit on a ZX and the wing mount is a non adjustable version of UMW-1 but AFAIK is also not available separately.

be aware though the Lazer 2000 parts are not glass filled like the ZX parts so are softer and not as strong.

terry.sc

08-14-2007, 06:43 PM

Also I couldn't find any Lazer bodies on ebay.. anyone have the guy's name?
Try here
http://www.tamiyaclub.com/trades_model.asp?cid=48650

welshy40

08-15-2007, 01:29 AM

Atomic Carbons parts are made by Fibre-Lyte, they have a good business relationship with Fibre-Lyte which is how he persuaded them to remake the RC10 tub. I know what Fibre-Lyte make and who they make parts for. The difference is that the tub chassis isn't just cut from sheet from a computer file, it has to be laid up by hand then drilled using a jig.

The tub has to be made by hand, which takes time which is why they are expensive. They have started doing the RC10 tubs at £105 each, which does not include the nose section. Due to the time taken setting up they will not produce the nose section unless they have multiple orders for the parts.

Are you honestly saying that if I rang Martin Hansell up he would supply a one off tub chassis for £80? We are having problems just getting custom r/c bike parts off them at the moment and those are flat sheet.

Terry,

I havent a clue on how much the price would be but when i got mine it was a lot cheaper than the YZ10 tub. But I guess its all down to the relationship you have with them, but the design is on their files and they can still make it and cut the holes out of the chassis for the batts. You also have to understand that the chassis is a lot easier to make than most cars as there is no bend in the chassis either and its a one piece unlike the RC10.

pUs

08-15-2007, 05:35 AM

be aware though the Lazer 2000 parts are not glass filled like the ZX parts so are softer and not as strong.

Yeah, I noticed that yesterday. I received a few front gearbox cases to compare. They should fit if you remove the rear lugs for the inner suspension mount.

However, the quite soft plastic might perhaps be a good thing in this case? The original item was a weak part on the car, infact I think it's the only part I ever broke on the Lazer back in the days I raced it quite successfully. Dunno, it might be completely bad. I'll try it though.

welshy40

08-15-2007, 04:22 PM

Yeah, I noticed that yesterday. I received a few front gearbox cases to compare. They should fit if you remove the rear lugs for the inner suspension mount.

However, the quite soft plastic might perhaps be a good thing in this case? The original item was a weak part on the car, infact I think it's the only part I ever broke on the Lazer back in the days I raced it quite successfully. Dunno, it might be completely bad. I'll try it though.

Well i found that with the half circular shock mount on the front it reinforced the front end and I never broke anything on my ZX. Also the alloy pivot blocks helped as well, but i am siding towards the ZXS approach now as it actually seems a lot stronger, and the inner blocks are plastic so i am amazed. I did some amazing crashes on my 6 hour stint at my mates track and i didnt break a thing and with a mamba 5700 that is a surprise.

Karadjas

08-15-2007, 07:11 PM

I got some work done between testing the BL TB02, tuning a friend's Jato 3.3 and painting loads of bodies for friends. The rear end is almost done and the transmission is complete and smooth as butter. Now I need to get my act together and save some money to finish this thing.

pUs

08-16-2007, 04:41 AM

Well i found that with the half circular shock mount on the front it reinforced the front end and I never broke anything on my ZX. Also the alloy pivot blocks helped as well, but i am siding towards the ZXS approach now as it actually seems a lot stronger, and the inner blocks are plastic so i am amazed. I did some amazing crashes on my 6 hour stint at my mates track and i didnt break a thing and with a mamba 5700 that is a surprise.

Yeah I know, but you can't really compare these two front ends.. the ZXS construction seems so much tougher. I still haven't tried my ZXS though, and I don't know if I ever will. It's just too rare to race (for me at least), and it's still kept totally original, so..

welshy40

08-16-2007, 11:25 AM

Yeah I know, but you can't really compare these two front ends.. the ZXS construction seems so much tougher. I still haven't tried my ZXS though, and I don't know if I ever will. It's just too rare to race (for me at least), and it's still kept totally original, so..

You are missing the point. I designed the carbon pieces for the pivot blocks so you could imitate the ZXS. A plate for either end and all is needed is the bushing on the pivot pin in the wishbone and a bit of immaginatiob you should be able to make it happen on the ZXR, that is if you havent got the alloy pivot blocks.

pUs

08-17-2007, 02:01 AM

You are missing the point. I designed the carbon pieces for the pivot blocks so you could imitate the ZXS. A plate for either end and all is needed is the bushing on the pivot pin in the wishbone and a bit of immaginatiob you should be able to make it happen on the ZXR, that is if you havent got the alloy pivot blocks.

I'm not just talking about the pivot blocks when I say the ZXS is more rigid, I'm refering to the whole front assembly. It's just way tougher and there's no way to imitate it fully on the ZXR. The moulded kick-up, the way the gearbox case is built up..

pUs

08-19-2007, 04:37 PM

welshy40

08-19-2007, 04:59 PM

Ok, halfway there. Only things missing atm is the MK1 carbon chassis (don't know where I've put it) & updated Associated shock caps. I had no idea the caps were different on the B4 threaded shocks, but it seems they are. :confused:

Welshy, a question once again.. did you use any shims on the steering links when using the ZX steering plate? I have one on my car now, and I have a tiny amount of bumpsteer..

PUS,

Yes I used washers on the actual steering plate, I think between the steering plastic and bearing as you cant really put under the king pin in the steering. I cant remember how many but I zeroed the bumpsteer totally.

pUs

08-20-2007, 02:33 AM

PUS,

Yes I used washers on the actual steering plate, I think between the steering plastic and bearing as you cant really put under the king pin in the steering. I cant remember how many but I zeroed the bumpsteer totally.

Ok, I'll spend some more time with it then.

Do you have any baseline recommendation for what springs to start with (outdoor track, quite bumpy by the look of it)? I never ran Associated dampers back when I raced this car. Right now there's Kyosho black springs f/r, #2 pistons and 25WT oil. Dampers in middle hole on front arms, outer hole on rear arms..

welshy40

08-20-2007, 11:20 AM

Ok, I'll spend some more time with it then.

Do you have any baseline recommendation for what springs to start with (outdoor track, quite bumpy by the look of it)? I never ran Associated dampers back when I raced this car. Right now there's Kyosho black springs f/r, #2 pistons and 25WT oil. Dampers in middle hole on front arms, outer hole on rear arms..

Well I would recommend throwing away the red rubber seals and put in traxxas blue ones. Then maybe trying either two pistons all wound or one (trial and error) and see what 40 in the front and 30 in the rear does. You may find 40, 35 works better with size one piston but its a start. I used either schumacher yellow on the front and white on the rear but associated green on the front and silver on the back also works.

Maybe the best is to try as many seetings a possible, as my style of driving is very twitchy

Outer hole on both wishbones (front and rear), drive shafts level all round.

pUs

08-20-2007, 01:25 PM

Well I would recommend throwing away the red rubber seals and put in traxxas blue ones. Then maybe trying either two pistons all wound or one (trial and error) and see what 40 in the front and 30 in the rear does. You may find 40, 35 works better with size one piston but its a start. I used either schumacher yellow on the front and white on the rear but associated green on the front and silver on the back also works.

Maybe the best is to try as many seetings a possible, as my style of driving is very twitchy

Outer hole on both wishbones (front and rear), drive shafts level all round.

Ok. #2 pistons gives quite a lot of pack as it is now though, have to switch to #1 pistons if I'm gonna think about 30 or 40WT.

Hm.. why? I used associated dampers on my Yokomos for many years after I switched from Kyosho, and I always thought the seals were good, you just had to change them quite often. However I do got some blue ones around somewhere (could be MIP items, can't remember). Are the blue ones supposed to be smoother, or what's the deal?

What I remember from my time with the Lazer was a very, very stable car, but almost always I felt it lacked steering. Did you usually run it with or without a rear swaybar?

Edit: Now some further problems. Can't find my case with ~10 brushed motors in it. I don't feel like going brushless with this thing yet.. d*mn it sucks to move from one apartment to another. Can't find anything. :mad:

welshy40

08-21-2007, 01:08 AM

Ok. #2 pistons gives quite a lot of pack as it is now though, have to switch to #1 pistons if I'm gonna think about 30 or 40WT.

Hm.. why? I used associated dampers on my Yokomos for many years after I switched from Kyosho, and I always thought the seals were good, you just had to change them quite often. However I do got some blue ones around somewhere (could be MIP items, can't remember). Are the blue ones supposed to be smoother, or what's the deal?

What I remember from my time with the Lazer was a very, very stable car, but almost always I felt it lacked steering. Did you usually run it with or without a rear swaybar?

Edit: Now some further problems. Can't find my case with ~10 brushed motors in it. I don't feel like going brushless with this thing yet.. d*mn it sucks to move from one apartment to another. Can't find anything. :mad:

PUS

Sorry, I mis understood, use the associated with size one all round and that should be fine. i thought you had the option house gold shocks and then I would recommend replacing the seals as they are rubbish. I also hate to admit it but brushless is actually worth having and i am now going to use one at events to. I think they have finally got there, but still needs development. However brushed I always used a 10 double with a standard 100t spur and a 19,20,21 or 22 pinion, all depending on how you want your motor to last.

pUs

08-21-2007, 12:58 PM

Slowly getting there. This is what the car looks like at the moment.

http://legolas.mdh.se/~pus/lazer1.jpg
http://legolas.mdh.se/~pus/lazer2.jpg

Missing items are the Mk1 chassis plate, the white front nylon gearbox case and threaded shock bodies up front. But it'll come.

And welshy, in case you comment on the MK2 damper mounts.. no, I won't change them. :) I always ran them on my Lazer and I liked them.

However, next thing I got to find is a batch of kyosho rims since I actually plan to race it in a month or so. Preferably white, I don't like those old yellow things. Are they available anywhere online?

tomstacey

08-21-2007, 02:42 PM

Still available new dude. They are what are shipped with the ZX5 :)

pUs

08-21-2007, 05:52 PM

Still available new dude. They are what are shipped with the ZX5 :)

I know, I know. But *where* can I get them? That's the question... ;)

tomstacey

08-22-2007, 02:55 AM

Do you have a local hobby store? If so, just get them to order from Kyosho. Else you can order them online from somewhere like microtechracing.com who ship via mail order. :)

welshy40

08-22-2007, 10:59 AM

PUS

Very nice, good job. I like the way you have done it. I would recommend getting two silver poles for the wing mount to stop it bending and strengthening it, but other than that it looks really nice. Carbon fibre the shock towers though as they do have a weakness in standard from.

pUs

08-22-2007, 12:15 PM

Karadjas

08-23-2007, 04:29 AM

I put everything I had back together, minus the ruined bodies/underbody and stock front shocks and headed out for an LHS crawl to find some parts that might fit to replace the missing ones. I struck silver on the first LHS, when the guy told me that the old Kyosho dealer who used to stock Lazers still has lots of parts left and now runs a tobacco shop downtown. So of course I paid him a visit and on Saturday we'll be going to his stock room :D He doesn't like people buying too many parts just to make their r/cs look pretty, because he only has so many parts and wants to keep as many old r/cs running as possible.

I downloaded the manual for the ZX-R but I can't seem to get how the part numbering works :o

Still, I have the part number for the universals (thanks) and I'm pretty sure everything else I'll need will be labeled. Plus this guy knows his stuff, so I can be sure that I won't get the wrong parts.

I need the wing mount, long universals, a couple spur gears, maybe a bumper, servo mounts and battery holder parts. He also said he had Kyosho upgrade shocks and several carbon parts including the top deck. I'll see how much money I can save till Saturday :D

Karadjas

08-23-2007, 04:39 AM

Oh I forgot, apparently my slipper clutch is a ZX-RR item and so is my rear shock tower :confused:

tomstacey

08-24-2007, 09:22 AM

Its coming together mate! :) You need some hammerite rust remover on those rusty bits though!!! The Orange Evil!!

Karadjas

08-25-2007, 06:34 AM

The rusty screws are coming out anyway, I'll clean the turnbuckles though.

pUs

08-25-2007, 10:06 AM

Oh I forgot, apparently my slipper clutch is a ZX-RR item and so is my rear shock tower :confused:

Don't think so.. the slipper looks like a standard ZX-R slipper. And the shock tower.. can't tell for sure, but it's not from Kyosho. looks as something Fibrelyte have done.

welshy40

08-25-2007, 10:17 AM

Don't think so.. the slipper looks like a standard ZX-R slipper. And the shock tower.. can't tell for sure, but it's not from Kyosho. looks as something Fibrelyte have done.

PUS is correct. Its not a ZXRR, just a standard ZXR mk1 slipper i am afraid to say. If it was a mk2 (ZXRR) it would be with two holes for you to screw the spur to the slipper plate like the associated RC10,B2 and B3.

Oh yes the rear tower is not made by kyosho, I believe it isnt even fibrelyte. It was made by some one else. Cant rememebr who tho.

Karadjas

08-25-2007, 12:06 PM

Thought so, the slipper clutch looks just like in the mk1 manual.

isobarik

08-26-2007, 02:35 AM

Hi there im lokking for the blue caster blocks or is it uprights ???
Sorry about my spelling but i think you know what i mean any way looking to buy.

mvh isobariks

ZXR MK2
ZXR graphite

welshy40

08-26-2007, 02:58 PM

ISOBARIK

Personal message Tom Stacey for those details. He knows who has a few new ones.

pUs

08-27-2007, 06:03 AM

Painted one of the bodyshells yesterday, somewhat dissapointing results. But it's good enough.

http://legolas.mdh.se/~pus/zxr_small.jpg

isobarik

08-27-2007, 09:01 AM

Any one out there with some kyosho losi or ass shocks for sale ???

mvh Isobarik

pUs

08-27-2007, 03:43 PM

Any one out there with some kyosho losi or ass shocks for sale ???

mvh Isobarik

I might have a set of four used Losi shocks for sale.

However I haven't decided yet on which shocks to use on my car, I might know a bit more in a week.

isobarik

08-28-2007, 04:36 AM

Thanksi would be very interested.

mvh isobarik :teacher:

pUs

08-28-2007, 07:40 AM

Thanksi would be very interested.

mvh isobarik :teacher:

Now that I think about it, I also have a brand new, unused set of Gold shocks (medium up front and long rear, original ZXR-MK2 shocks) and also several sets of the Kyosho "Equalizer" shocks, the ones that came with the ZX-RR. I won't use any of these, PM if you're interested.

welshy40

08-28-2007, 01:29 PM

Now that I think about it, I also have a brand new, unused set of Gold shocks (medium up front and long rear, original ZXR-MK2 shocks) and also several sets of the Kyosho "Equalizer" shocks, the ones that came with the ZX-RR. I won't use any of these, PM if you're interested.

Well the shocks on your car are perfect. The equalizer shocks only won one major event and that was the euros in the hands of Ellis Stafford. I dont like them much but each to their own. the standard gold ones are great and the associated are the other great shocks. You can never go wrong with them.

PUS your car looks great. Cant fault it, with a couple more stickers the job will be done.

tomstacey

08-28-2007, 04:49 PM

Guys, I have a source for new aluminium suspension mounts (pivot blocks). If anyone is interested please post here and I'll get prices.

Tom

tomstacey

08-28-2007, 04:50 PM

http://legolas.mdh.se/~pus/zxr_small.jpg

PUs - is that a LWB optima mid body?

Karadjas

08-28-2007, 06:19 PM

welshy, you just saved me some money! I didn't know the stock gold shocks were good, I just threw mine in the suspension drawer in my parts organiser! I brought them out to check their condition and they look like they haven't been run since their last rebuild! So I refilled them with 40wt and I'm set for front shocks. With the new oil they're probably the smoothest shocks I've ever handled. Tomorrow is the day I go to the ex-dealer's stock room, wish me luck! He says he definitely has universals, rear shocks, carbon top decks, wing mounts and servo mounts in stock and probably bodies and underbodies. I hope it won't cost me an arm and a leg!

tomstacey, I'd be interested in those pivot blocks... given they're not too expensive of course! Does your lead have all of them?

The zxr might end up being a shelf queen, it's slowly becoming too beautiful to run :o

Karadjas

08-28-2007, 06:24 PM

The shocks, as smooth as butter:

adam lancia

08-28-2007, 06:29 PM

tom, i'm interested in those pivot blocks. is that going to be a set of front and rear? thanks!

isobarik

08-29-2007, 12:24 AM

Hi tom I´m also interested in alu pivot blocks.
alu uprights for the rear Tf3/4 still avalible and do they work ???

Pus how much for medium front and long rear gold shox ??

mvh Henrik:teacher:

tomstacey

08-29-2007, 02:24 AM

Hi Guys, yes i believe a full set of blocks will be available. TF4 rear uprights fit perfectly (Welshy runs them). I run ZX5 graphite rear uprights/hubs. These are unbreakable and very light.

pUs

08-29-2007, 05:43 AM

PUs - is that a LWB optima mid body?

Indeed it is.

pUs

08-29-2007, 05:47 AM

Well the shocks on your car are perfect. The equalizer shocks only won one major event and that was the euros in the hands of Ellis Stafford. I dont like them much but each to their own. the standard gold ones are great and the associated are the other great shocks. You can never go wrong with them.

PUS your car looks great. Cant fault it, with a couple more stickers the job will be done.

I know, infact I read the RCMC magazine with the euros report from 1992 just a few days ago and noticed the Equalizer shocks on Ellis' car. I never liked them one bit, I actually had a hard time seeing any improvement at all compared to the gold shocks. Also saw that Rob Gammons Lazer had Associated dampers on it at the Euros the same year, he finished in 3rd.

Yeah I know the associated dampers are good. Only reason for thinking about going with Losi instead is the difference in length at the front end of the car, but I don't know yet.

Thanks, a couple of Lazer stickers has been added, looks are ok now. Also got a batch of white rims yesterday :)