Team Associated B4 buggy forum v2.0

[YZ684]

all the way up here in Milwaukee Wisconsin, at S&N's Trackside, i have seen the B4. It is very fast, seems to handle extremely well and as said has a very low center of gravity and it seems very stable. it hooked up good and cornered good. It accelerates very smooth. The hobby shop doesnt have any yet and thinks they will get them by next week or friday. It seems to be noticabley wider which i think is a good thing. I cant wait for mine. I was practically drooling watching it go around the track. anyone else seein one yet.

[RoachRacing]

Well if I dont have one in my hands in the next couple of days, I will see one on saturday. Travis Amezcua is going to ne at april fools and I will see his.

[RoachRacing]

I think i will get see a durango too, Travis has one of those too.

[nelson8708]

if you could give me a date that would be great.

[MagicD]

That's a darn good question!

I again called my LHS and some online shops and here's what they told me:

LHS: No Idea

Horizon: End of April to middle of May! ***?

Tower: 2 weeks...maybe more.


Even though people have seen them run and we've all seen pictures of the production kits being packaged, there's no end in sight for the waiting. :(

This stinks!

[RCPhan]

I completely agree... I too called three LHS in my area and not a single one had any idea when they were going to see things things roll in!

TPHALEN... whats the scoop... can you give us any insight as to why NO ONE seems to know where the cars are and where they might be?

reminds me of the old saying... "Checks in the mail!"

[MagicD]

Just for the heck of it, I just called Stormer too.

The guy said that he knows that AE supposedly shipped them out last week to distributers. Once the distributers have them they'll ship them to Stormer which usually takes a couple of days, and he'll know kits are on their way because he'll get a tracking number for the shipment. He ended it by saying, "middle to end of next week." <- I think that's the BEST case senerio IF AE actually sent them out to US distributers last week, although I've heard a stupid rumor that the first kits were being sent overseas. :(

This still stinks!

[nelson8708]

I have seen a b4 at my local track. A AE team driver had it he said the they would be out by the end of this week. I already have my factory team b3 on ebay. If they dont come out till the end of next week that will suck because i will haft to miss two weeks of Racing. So far i have not missed a race day since i found the track. I think that they will be on back order the day they come out at tower. The suspense is killing me!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[RoachRacing]

Got to check out Travis amezcula's b4 tonight. I think its pretty sweet! I will post pictures on my site tomorrow!

[RoachRacing]

Pictures are posted on my website! Click on the www below to get there.

[RCPhan]

Wow... those front wheels are WIDE. I know the tires are not stock, but are those the stock front wheels?

[aspiringrcracer710]

Man, Peanut's ride is hot! Are alot of the AE guys going ot run the Durango at the Worlds in FL?

[RCPhan]

Peanut?

All... AE has posted some setup sheets on their web site... check out this link:

http://www.rc10.com/racerhub/setup_sheets.htm

Scroll down about 1/3 of the page!

[RoachRacing]

Originally posted by RCPhan
Peanut?

Thats Travis Amezcula's nick name.

And yes I do believe those are the stock rims.

[RCPhan]

I see the peanuts on the front of the body now! ;)

[Mystracing]

Man, I sure would like to have a car to put that setup on:D

I wonder if RCCA is going to put a note at the front of this thread like "start reading at page 45" when the car is actually available.

[j. sorwell]

those might be useful if, WE HAD THE CAR!

[Mystracing]

Ha! I beat ya by a good 3 seconds:D

[RoachRacing]

I believe the local distributor here in Utah received their first shipment TODAY.

[RCPhan]

Originally posted by RoachRacing
I believe the local distributor here in Utah received their first shipment TODAY.

Cool... but how long before the RETAILER receives then now?

[Bigred94]

Tower now list's early April.....rrrrr

[gubby]

at this link, what is the red thing in front of the receiver?

http://www.dialedrc.com/images/b4/tab4-15.jpg

and with the factory team battery bar, do you have to unscrew it out after every batteyr change?

[RCPhan]

I am guessing the transponder, but I don't really know. I would imagine you can still use the stock battery bar for stick packs etc...

[RichieRich]

Yeah, Tower says early April. I ordered my B4 way back on the 7th of March. According to my order status, they have charged my credit card and my order is being "picked and packed in the warehouse." So, I think they're on the way! :D

[RoachRacing]

Originally posted by gubby
at this link, what is the red thing in front of the receiver?

http://www.dialedrc.com/images/b4/tab4-15.jpg

and with the factory team battery bar, do you have to unscrew it out after every batteyr change?
That red thing is a personal transponder. We didnt use them at April Fools, Travis just had it in his car from socal.

The factory team battery bar attaches with body clips just like the normal one. I asked Travis about it myself and it just comes down to making the car bullet proof, I dont think that his battery is going to fall out. :D

[RCPhan]

Wow... an entire weekend of missed posts...

Speaking of April Fools... does anyone have the results? Any B4's take the race?

[gacjr0]

notes from April Fools:

Peanuts battery strap is not stock, the stock one uses body clips. I believe he was trying to stiffen the car by using that carbon fiber strap and screwing it down.
The car is good, many people built and raced their B4's Saturday, threw them on the track and said it was better than their regular car on the first pack.
I think I saw only one break on a B4, in a crash that would've taken anything out.
The RPM B3/T3 gear cover fits on the B4 (don't bother trying to cut out that stock hunk of crap)!!!
That red thing in the dialed picture is his transponder.
Travis and Lloyd are fast but not smooth like BK.
The Durango is fast but fragile, Travis used a XXX4 in the mains.
HRP (distributor) got their B4's Sat, IR/CR went and got them and sold out Sat.

[MagicD]

Tower Hobbies' website now lists the B4 as "Mid April"....

[LosiXXXNT'er]

Pegasus hobbies in SoCal just got about 20 of them in. I helped ron put them up yesterday. Too bad i got out of the hobby a week ago, i would have bought one. Pegasus is in Montclair Cali. (909) 982-6507

[RoachRacing]

Originally posted by RCPhan
Wow... an entire weekend of missed posts...

Speaking of April Fools... does anyone have the results? Any B4's take the race?
Full results posted on my website. :)

[RCPhan]

Originally posted by RoachRacing
Full results posted on my website. :)

So how many of those were B4's? Results are good, but I wanna see the chasis that was used too!

[RoachRacing]

The only 2 people in the Mod buggy A main that were running a B4 were Travis Amezcua, and Lloyd Dassonville.

Stock buggy A main, first and second were B4's. Not sure how many others there were.

Pro stock buggy - I am not sure how many there were, if any.

[litegide]

THE B4 SETUP...

Hi guys, I saw a post last week where someone was wondering if a topic could be started that went through what everybody's proposed setup for their B4 would be? It'd be great (for newbies in the RC Hobby - like me)if there were like a roll call where everybody simply posted their components, I realize the components very depending on what the buggy will be used for "racing or bashing" I'm waiting for my B4 that I ordered from tower last month too.

I'll tell you I ordered the car not because I want to race (at least for now...)but rather to race around with my son and his new Evader bx. I always wanted an RC10 so I went shopping and came across the B4 "to be released in March" and went with it.

I'd like to have a fast car 30+ mph ish...my neighbor kids -(all in the forty's - haa) race up and down the street with their nitros at a pretty good clip, it'd be nice to run with them but for the most part just zip in and around the street and driveway with some lawn jumps too.

I've been contemplating these components, maybe someone could share their knowledge and steer me into the best setup for the type of useage, I have not ordered anything yet for the car because I can't get it narrowed down, below are a few choices I've thought of, yes price is a factor, that's why #3 is last in line, take a look.

SETUP CHOICE #1

1. CAR: The B4 COST: 189.00
2. MOTOR: Seed Gem Pro Amber 17T Dbl. COST: 29.99
3. ESC: The LRP Quantum Reverse COST: 89.99
4. PINNION: 48 Pitch teeth not sure? Cost: 5.79
5. Receiver: Not sure? Cost: -----
6. Servo: High torque...Not sure? Cost: -----
7. Radio: Not sure...ideas Cost: -----
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SETUP CHOICE #2

1. CAR: The B4 COST: 189.00
2. MOTOR:Seed Gem Pro Titanite 15T Dbl.COST 29.99
3. ESC: The LRP Quantum Reverse COST: 89.99
or
ESC: The Rooster Reversible COST: 69.99
4. PINNION: 48 Pitch teeth not sure? Cost: 5.79
5. Receiver: Not sure? Cost: -----
6. Servo: High torque...Not sure? Cost: -----
7. Radio: Not sure...ideas Cost: -----
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SETUP CHOICE #3

1. CAR: The B4 COST: 189.00
2. MOTOR:Seed Gem Onyx 14T Dbl. COST: 29.99
3. ESC: The LRP Quantum Super Reverse COST: 132.99
or
ESC: The Super Rooster Reversible COST: 119.99
4. PINNION: 48 Pitch teeth not sure? Cost: 5.79
5. Receiver: Not sure? Cost: -----
6. Servo: High torque...Not sure? Cost: -----
7. Radio: Not sure...ideas Cost: -----

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If someone could help me best determine what setup is best for my type of use - fast, spunky and decent run times. I have about 4 average batteries, my controller is from our old car - A 1991 TAMIYA MAD BULL buggy which is now broke in half. The controller was also a 1991 Futabo Magnum Jr. I'm contemplating if I should use the old Futabo Receiver / The S48 servo / The old Magnum JR. radio............I did see in the car spec's something about a high Torque Servo?

Would it be better to buy a new radio combination, if so any recommendations rather than strip the beater Mad Bull car?

Sincerely Lost,

Phil

[MagicD]

Welp, after all my bitching and complaining, I finally have the kit in my hands! Man it's sure gunna be a long day at work! :D

Purchased at:

Mikes Hobby Shop
Carrollton, TX
$189

[Mystracing]

They didn't feel like sending one to my LHS so I guess instead of waiting till May I'll just have to get a XXX. By By Associated.

[Backfire]

Originally posted by MagicD
Mikes Hobby Shop
Carrollton, TX
$189

Just curious, how many did they get in? Did they get any parts in as well? That is my LHS as well.

[MagicD]

They got 3 in. All are now sold.

Not sure if they got parts...I was in and out in all of about 1 minute.

[Bigred94]

Tower shipped mine today!!!! MagicD you race at Mikes? Me too!! I hope he's going to get a carpet track soon as well!!

[hacker07]

Dang, the B4's are only 169 where I work part time at Ultimate Hobbies in Orange, CA.

[MagicD]

Bigred94,

Yup I've raced at Mikes 3 or 4 times in the past 6 months with my old RC10CE and actually won the rookie class both times I entered. Now that I've got a new buggy I should be there racing much more often. If all goes well with construction and painting, I hope to be there this Saturday. My name's Dave and I'll be wearing a navy blue baseball cap driving a red B4; come say hello. :)

And yeah, they're moving to a new location where they should have 2 or 3 indoor tracks (offroad, onroad, and ? ). I may get into onroad sometime in the future...only after my enjoyment of B4 style offroad calms a bit...if it ever does :D

[RCPhan]

So does tower have these in stock and shipping as ordered, or are they backordered?

[Mystracing]

Tower doesn't have them they sent them all out. They said they are expecting their next shipment on April eleventh.

[litegide]

I just called Tower and they said Mid April !:confused:

Oh well, the thrill of waiting.

Maybe one of you guys w/the B4's can answer my previous post. If you don't want to clue in a newbie maybe you can just reply 1,2 or 3 for my setup choices.

thanks,


Phil

[RCPhan]

Man... the way things are going I am never going to get on eof these. The stupid LHS don't even know they have been released! And I have called all 3 of them!

I am sure all those that tower will get in on the 11th are allready back ordered!

Sit and wait some more I guess!

[litegide]

RCPhan, when did you place your order?

did Tower say something about getting a shipment on the 11th?

Phil

[RCPhan]

Originally posted by litegide
RCPhan, when did you place your order?

did Tower say something about getting a shipment on the 11th?

Phil

No... I haven't ordered one, but someone from above said they will be getting more in on the 11th!

[MagicD]

litegide,

Here's my suggestion for your ride. This assumes bashing is primary usage:

Motor: Seed Gem Pro Titanite 15T Dbl. $29.99
ESC: Novak Rooster Reversible $69.00
Pinion: 48 Pitch 23 Tooth Pinion
Radio w/ servo + receiver: Airtronics MX-3 3-Channel FM w/ 1 94102Z Servo and receiver $105


Notes:
-In another thread that you were in I explained why the 15t dbl is the way to go.
-I chose the Rooster over the LRP due to cost alone. Both are fine ESCs.
-23 tooth pinion is what is recomended in the manual for 14 turn motor (no 15 turn mentioned in manual). This will be fine for 15 turns too.
-The MX3 is a great radio w/ great receiver that will do all that you need it to do and more. The standard 94102z servo that comes with it will get the job done for bashing w/o problem. If you ever decide to race, then you may want to upgrade the servo, but the radio + receiver will still suite you very well.


And for reference, here is my racing setup:
Motor: P2k2
ESC: Novak C2 Cyclone
Pinion: Gunna start with a 22 and see where it takes me
Radio + receiver: MX3
Servo: Hitec 625MG

[Backfire]

Originally posted by MagicD
They got 3 in. All are now sold.

Not sure if they got parts...I was in and out in all of about 1 minute.

Yeah, I called over there to see and they were indeed sold out. So I went to T&T in Plano and bought mine:D :D A little more expensive, but I got it so I am happy. Mike's didn't have any new parts, although they did get front arms, gear covers, front axles and a few spurs last week, so if you are going to hit something, make sure you do it with the front arms;)

Off to build(finally!!)

[aeb3man_44]

you guys should go to www.ultimatehobbies.com the b4 is in stock and is only $169.95

good luck to you all!:D

[litegide]

MagicD

I just looked up the radio, thanks for the info on the 15T (for the 2nd time) it's the combination that throws me asque when the esc and the motor don't match - I was going to use the Quantum reverse for 89.00 but that didn't meet the 15T limit.

Heck w/the money I'll save from not stepping up to the Quantum Super Reverse at 132.99 I'll go for the Novak rooster (16t max) and have left over cash for the Airtronics radio - which I heard is awsome!

OK - here is the setup:

1. Airtronics MX-3 at 104.99 heck I'll just copy what you wrote!

Motor: Seed Gem Pro Titanite 15T Dbl. $29.99

ESC: Novak Rooster Reversible $69.00
Pinion:

48 Pitch 23 Tooth Pinion

Radio w/ servo + receiver: Airtronics MX-3 3-Channel FM w/ 1 94102Z Servo and receiver $105

Hey thank you again for taking the time, I'm going to place the order tonight!


Phil

[RCPhan]

Originally posted by aeb3man_44
you guys should go to www.ultimatehobbies.com the b4 is in stock and is only $169.95

good luck to you all!:D

Has anyone ever ordered through them? I placed an order last night, so I will see how it goes! Even is shipping is $20.00 it will still be cheaper than buying it from my LHS whom seem to have no idea what the car is much less when they will be getting them in.

Does anyone know where you can get a good deal on the JR racing XS3 radio? The cheapest I have seen it is $239.00! At bit too steep if you ask me!

[MagicD]

One of the front inner hinge pins of my kit is the wrong diameter so I've got to bug AE for a replacement! :mad: I even tried going to the LHS to find any possible subsitution in either steel or Ti, but no luck.

Also, the B3 RPM gear cover DOES NOT fit without some hacking with a dremel tool to move the mounting holes in the cover a bit...and I still can't get it to sit perfectly. It is still probably better than the stock hunk-o-crap cover that comes with the kit, but be advised that it is not a direct bolt on.

How's everyone else's build going?

[Mystracing]

I don't have a B4 but I was told, and Associated had the inner hinge pins listed as being the same as a Nitro TC3. You might want to check on that. Another option is to get a rod or nail of the correct diameter at a hardware store and cut it to length. I did that with my TC3 when I bent a hinge pin and couldn't get one.

[PAPA MOOSE]

Magic you must have the only one that the rpm gear cover does not fit beacase 8 of the 10 I saw went right together!

[MagicD]

PARA,

Interesting....The hole on the bottom of the B3 cover seems to be about 1/16 of an inch too low to fit on my B4. I grinded out the hole a bit and the screwes now go in, but the top of the cover is slightly bowed out off the top motor plate. I'll probably just tape (gheto :( ) the top of the cover so it'll stay in place until I can find a replacemen that will fit correctly.

[Backfire]

Originally posted by MagicD
One of the front inner hinge pins of my kit is the wrong diameter so I've got to bug AE for a replacement! :mad: I even tried going to the LHS to find any possible subsitution in either steel or Ti, but no luck.

Also, the B3 RPM gear cover DOES NOT fit without some hacking with a dremel tool to move the mounting holes in the cover a bit...and I still can't get it to sit perfectly. It is still probably better than the stock hunk-o-crap cover that comes with the kit, but be advised that it is not a direct bolt on.

How's everyone else's build going?

Mine went fine. All parts accounted for and built up!! Really went together quick. I have built a number of Losi cars, but this was my first Associated, so building the shocks and diff was a learning experience. It still only took me about 3hrs to build. I will probably go up to the track tomorrow and practice. I just used the stock setup to start with. The only think that I was puzzled by is the anti-squat adjustment. It seems like there is a lot of stress on the rear section of the pivot plate the way the adjustment is made. I guess time will tell how long those pieces last.

[psycho02]

Hey can anyone who has built theres yet tell me if the bearings for the steering are the same size as the ones used in the b3? thanks.

[pudder]

The bearings for the steering are the same size as the plastic bushings for the steering.

[adam lancia]

i think he meant are the new (b4) steering bearings the same as the ones from the b3....correct me if i'm wrong......

adam

[psycho02]

yep I am refering to the bearings that were used in the b3 are the ones in the b4 the same size as the ones that were used in the b4

[MagicD]

Has anyone painted their B4 body yet? I'd love to see what everyone else has come up with for paint schemes. I'm probably gunna mask mine tonight, with hopes of painting it tomorrow.

Also, are you guys gunna cut out the small "vent" openings that are on either side of the cockpit?

[psycho02]

Originally posted by psycho02
yep I am refering to the bearings that were used in the b3 are the ones in the b4 the same size as the ones that were used in the b4

I mean are the steering bearings in the b4 the same size as the ones that were used in the b3?

[pudder]

Sorry for misunderstanding... I imagine they would be the same size though...

[MagicD]

Steering rack bearings for B4 are 1/8 x 1/4 part #3971. :)

http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/WTI0095P?FVSEARCH=3971&FVPROFIL=++&search3=Go

[pudder]

By the looks of it, those are different from the B3 ones. Aren't the B3/T3 steering bearings flanged?

[David Joor]

MagicD - you can always goto Home Depot and look for little metal rods, there is a section for them.

I posted a link to my new website and it got deleted, why on earth would a site with over 100,000 members care if I have a website? Shoot, I can even post a link on Trinity now. Oh well, there is a new site around for the rc10b4 but I can't tell you what it is.

[pudder]

I also think that is sort of stupid that you can't post for people to see your site, but then again there are always those people who are just doing that to get traffic. It is a lot better when you are just posting a link to show something.

I agree with you though, even Traxxas board lets you post links. :p

[MagicD]

Thanks for the assistance guys about finding a replacement for my missing hinge pin. Earlier somebody mentioned that the hinge pins are the same as those on the NTC3, so after some calls to the LHSs I found one with a set. Turns out the pins 2242 are the correct diameter(yey!) but the wrong length...nothing a little dremeling couldn't fix. :D So I'm now back in business!

Painting the body and mounting the electronics are all that I've got left to do. Probably won't be able to make it to race on Saturday though...I don't like to rush doing anything, especially building/breaking in expensive new toys ;)

[David Joor]

MagicD - Cool, I forgot, if you want the strongest hinge pins, go buy piano wire. Now that we can finally run e-clipless pins.

[Backfire]

Ran a few practice packs today. I like the way the car feels. Seems like it has more steering than my XXX did. Stock setup was too soft however, especially in the rear. Kinda felt like an old Cadillac, with too much spring and no damping in the rear. I switched to #1's and 35 up front, #2's and 30wt in the rear, everything else stock. Seems to work much better. Landing the jumps was smoother and didn't bottom out. Hopefully as the setup progresses things will only get better!!

[psycho02]

Originally posted by David Joor
MagicD - you can always goto Home Depot and look for little metal rods, there is a section for them.

I posted a link to my new website and it got deleted, why on earth would a site with over 100,000 members care if I have a website? Shoot, I can even post a link on Trinity now. Oh well, there is a new site around for the rc10b4 but I can't tell you what it is.

people can see your site by clicking on the www under your post. thats what the www is there for. Your site looks cool by the way.

[k_sw31]

Just curious, has any one heard of anyone receiving their B4's from stormerhobbies yet? Thats where I ordered mine...

[David Joor]

psycho02 - Thank you, there is a lot of love in it. I know the www is the link, I just wanted to bring some attention to it :)

Backfire - is your track a pretty dry and loose condition?

[mtn bkr]

I got my B4 on Wednesday, and i'll be racing it for the first time tonight. It went together very smoothly. It only took me 2 hours to get the rolling chassis assembled. I painted the body and installed the electronics last night. I'll let you guys know how it goes with the racing tonight.

[pudder]

Very sexy, nice cars!

[MagicD]

Good looking cars there David!

[RichieRich]

I got my B4 yesterday from Tower. YAY! :D

[David Joor]

thanks guys

[k_sw31]

Nice job on the bodies :)

[therealdanimal]

Cool looking cars. Nice site too. I got my B4 on the 29th at IR/CR in Magna, Ut for the April Fools Classic but didn't have it finished until my main 'cause of some diff trouble that Lloyd Dasonville(sp?) was kind enough to help me with(i like's free parts!). I think I got last in B-Main Pro Stock Buggy 'cause the rear end was dumping over 'cause the track was so high bite, if I had more time with it things would have been different, like 2nd to last in B-Main!

[TPhalen]

FYI: The TC3 Steering Rack Bearings are a direct replacement for the stock B4 steering bushings.

Dave. Site looks great, bud! We actually checked it out at the shop today. Cliff was impressed! Keep up the good work! Oh, and say hi to Ron for me....

You guys coming out to the Reedy Race???

[skip wagner]

Here's a pic I took of Amezcua's car in Tucson (competition hobbies). BTW...that track is dialed!!!

[TUCRACEMAN]

Nice car. Competition hobbies is a pretty sweet place. Anywho, got mine today. Looks nice. Haven't played with it yet.
~Dave

[Lapster]

I ordered my B4 from stormerhobbies. When do you think I will get it? I put the order in about 1.5 months ago.

[Lapster]

I ordered my B4 from stormerhobbies. When do you think I will get it? I put the order in about 1.5 months ago.

[David Joor]

Tony - Actually I am preparing for the Texas Biggie than then 1/8 Fuel nats. It is tough for me to travel due to $$, so I always have to wait till they come to me to woop shop :)

I am going to post your tip on the site about the bearing, I had not measued them yet, thanks. Glad you guys liked the site, I like the car that much, ahha.

Love Travis's moon roofs, they are very sweet.

[mtn bkr]

Well, I raced my B4 for the first time last night. I didn't run that well in qualifying, but it was good enough to put me in the 7th spot for the A-main. The A-main didn't go all that well either, but I still pulled out a 5th place finish. The car ran pretty well except for some issues with rear traction. Still, not too bad for a car I only ran 2 practice packs through. In my qualifiers, only one car was a XXX and the rest were B4s. It was weird seeing the Associated cars outnumber the Losis.

[pudder]

I think it's good to see more AE's than Losi. :D

[gubby]

congrats, david joor.

your b4 site is very kick ***. it loads fast and it's pretty easy to navigate. good luck for the future:cool:

[RoachRacing]

David Joor - Nice site! Feel free to use anything off of my site. I have bigger versions of all of the pictures on my site, if you need anything let me know.

[David Joor]

Gubby - Thank you, it is run on a dedicated server, so it can handle about 15,000 more members without losing any speed from what it is now.

Roach - Sweet Roach, I have been visiting your site a lot lately. I am sure will cross paths soon :)

[RichieRich]

Hey guys! I thought I would just throw in a few assembly tips:

1) Be careful when screwing in the small button head screws that hold in the hinge pins. If you're not careful, you will strip the holes.

2) For some reason, the shank (threaded portion) of the ball end that goes with the steering horn is too long. You will have to cut it for the steering to function correctly. (I may have just received the wrong sized ball end, but just in case.) :D

3) When assembling the rear hinge pin carriers, squeeze HARD!!

That's about it. Happy building! ;)

PS Watch out for unthreaded screws/turnbuckles!! LOL!

[MagicD]

Here's a few pictures I just took of my new B4 sitting next to my RC10CE. It's really interesting to see how much better the B4's design is compared to that of the original RC10's.

[MagicD]

Another

[MagicD]

Last one

[pudder]

Magic D- I have the same body you do on my RC10 too. :)

Well I forsure made up my mind that I won't be getting a B4 for a while. I just got a good deal on a FT B3 that had 3 race days on it. :D

My B3:

http://midcanrc.mine.nu/pudder/DSC04637.JPG
http://midcanrc.mine.nu/pudder/DSC04638.JPG
http://midcanrc.mine.nu/pudder/DSC04639.JPG
http://midcanrc.mine.nu/pudder/DSC04647.JPG

[Mystracing]

Got my B4 Saturday and raced it yesterday. Ended up going to 25 wt oil and #2 pistons in the rear to keep the rear from bottoming. The track changed constantly due t an early rain storm but the car felt extremely good. Put it in second in the A due to a late race turn into a barrier allowing a B3 by. I'm very impressed with the B4!

Here's a pic, the wing is painted graphite style too it just didn't show in the picture.

http://www.gj.net/~geerhed/B42.JPG

David - Nice site, your welcome to use anything you want off my site. I haven't added the B4 section yet but will soon. You and Roach should meet up at our track for the Colorado State Championship on May 17th and 18th. Yeah I know; shameless plug.

[RoachRacing]

Mystracing - nice paint job!

[TUCRACEMAN]

Nice lookin rides. I need to get some paint today so I can paint mine. The only problem I had was that one of the turnbuckles had no threads on one end. I replaced it with a turnbuckle from another car. I believe it was a rod from a B3. So I'll have send AE a letter, tell them what's up.
~Dave

[drumr racer]

I got my B4 right next to me, it runs great, but was hard to put together (my first kit) and I needed an ESC, and motor/pinion, all that I did was a little swapping.

I guess I'll put up kit-building tips
1. When your allen wrenches suplied with the kit strip, cut off that end with a dremel flat.

2.don't liberally apply the Stealth Diff Lube, goop it, you have plenty left, and is fairly inexpensive, same goes for the black grease.

3. The slipper hubs might not wanna fit on the outdrive, just apply equal pressure, and keep doing it so the outdrive taps a hole.

4.make sure you use the right screws.

5. I suggest using .03 on the rear shocks as a preload spacer.

6. Don't try to mount you front tire and glue it on the back rim, it doesn't work... I know.

7. for some reason, the wheels turn as much to the left as right, just your servo doesn't go that far to the left (power to the digital trims!)

8. Get an XS3!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

not 2 much more, just took a long time.

[Doctor Doug]

Having trouble finding a B4? rcmodels (http://www.rcmodels.com/rc-asc-9034.html) has them in stock for $189.99 :)

[drumr racer]

I took my b4 outside on my by track.
I think I have another tip.

When you build your kit, put extra shock fluid in the front shocks. If you are jumping your buggy, do this. If not don't bother.
I might be a good driver, but I suck @ jumping.

almost every jump I made, I nose dived into the contouring mound.
If you have already built your kit, then put extra preload spacers on them. I'm going 2 try .02's
I'll try 2 tell you tommorow what the result is.

[DsWright]

If it's nosing down on jumps it's most liekly because the suspension is so soft in the rear the rear end is bottoming out on the face of the jumps......

Try stiffening the rear

[rc10b4stealth]

YA I have my b4 right next to me too it's such a nice buggy (top of the line),i'm taking it to a race this week i'm going to open a can of wo-------s on thow's xxxxx' kin---- buggys and show them how to drivei if i'm lucky i'll get to run over some of them with my old school t3 and stampede .my set up in the b4 is a associated 27 turn mvp motor,,blazor radio,dean's connectors, and a cool looking esc, a s--- load of rpm stuff,and road hawg buggy tires for playing around,(i'm going to buy a hotter moter in a week lika a trinity p-94),aluminum shock caps, ft hop-ups. it's a great buggy and theres no way the b3 chould stand up to it.:D don't get me wong the b3 is a good car too (i have one) ,but the b3 is'nt wut i'd take to a race.







road kill

[TUCRACEMAN]

Riiiiight.

[pudder]

Originally posted by drumr racer
When you build your kit, put extra shock fluid in the front shocks. If you are jumping your buggy, do this. If not don't bother.
I might be a good driver, but I suck @ jumping.

Make sure you are not letting off the throttle too soon. If you are, that is when you nosedive a lot, Try keeping on the throttle throughout the jump, and other mid air throttle control, it is tricky sometimes...

[drumr racer]

yeah, I airwalk as hard as I can. I get up to the jump, start going slow for a millisecond, then when I hit my jump I crank up the throttle, and keep it on through out the air and it still nosedives!

[DsWright]

As backwards as it sounds, stiffen the rear suspension, as soft as it is with the stock setup i would bet $$ it's the rear of your chassis bottoming out on the face of the jump forcing the nose down.

[rc10b4stealth]

i'm doing fine on the speed jumps my self(no more than 90 degrees:D just kidding)

[Lapster]

Yea, I bet I could do very well on jumps too.......

IF I EVER GOT MINE!!!

[nelson8708]

Yeah, I have mine already pre-paid, just waiting for it to arrive at my LHS. They were supose to get it 2 days ago but no they didnt. So i am stuck not racing agian.

[MagicD]

Had 3 poor/average qualifiers so I ended up qualifying 6 out of 9 in sportsman stock buggy. In the Main I started getting a bit more comfortable with the car and finished 3rd. I'm quite happy with that result seeing as though I haven't been racing in like 4 months and I've only raced 4 times in my life. :)

Car was quicker than just about anything else out there. I run on a short blue groove track, and I was gaining on everybody in the straights and had more punch in the turns than my tires/setup knew what to do with. I plan to speed the majority of next week trying to improve the somewhat fishtail happy handling of my ride, but besides that the car is fantastic! It was worth the wait. :D

[Crashmaxx]

Does this buggy handle bumpy technical tracks well? My T3 does great on this type of track and I thought they made the B4 more for blue groove tracks so I didn't know if I really would do better with one. Not so much that I am going to get one right away, I am waiting for the team or factory team version and the race novak brushless to come out.

[losixxx213]

the team version is whats out right now, you can get a graphite conversion for it right now too.

[TUCRACEMAN]

Has anyone noticed the diff is kind of crunchy, and the gear cover sucks. C'mon RPM, we need you!
~Dave

[k_sw31]

Well, probably the reason your diff is "crunchy" is probably because you didn't build it right, some how. The B4 uses the same diff as a GT, and my GT's diff is just as smooth as my T3's :D

[drumr racer]

Originally posted by Mystracing
Got my B4 Saturday and raced it yesterday. Ended up going to 25 wt oil and #2 pistons in the rear to keep the rear from bottoming. The track changed constantly due t an early rain storm but the car felt extremely good. Put it in second in the A due to a late race turn into a barrier allowing a B3 by. I'm very impressed with the B4!

Here's a pic, the wing is painted graphite style too it just didn't show in the picture.

http://www.gj.net/~geerhed/B42.JPG

David - Nice site, your welcome to use anything you want off my site. I haven't added the B4 section yet but will soon. You and Roach should meet up at our track for the Colorado State Championship on May 17th and 18th. Yeah I know; shameless plug.
How do you get the graphite style?

[RichieRich]

Originally posted by k_sw31
Well, probably the reason your diff is "crunchy" is probably because you didn't build it right, some how. The B4 uses the same diff as a GT, and my GT's diff is just as smooth as my T3's :D

Well, TUCRACEMAN and I have built about a dozen AE diffs between the two of us and I agree that the B4's diff is a little noisy. Maybe it will work itself out after being broken in a bit? And what's up with the gear cover? The one on the box picture is totally different. I just don't like the slipper bolt just hanging out there with no protection and providing a way for dirt to mess up the pinion/spur. :confused:

[drumr racer]

My diff sounds bad 2

You probably didn't follow directions, my gear cover works perfectly.

[Mystracing]

The gear cover on my car in the picture above is just a RPM B3 gear cover it fits fine. It's not 100% perfect but very close. Just put the bottom screw in first and the push the top of the cover down 1/32" or so and it fits great.

Go to the painting section and do a search for graphite. There are links there to an article on how to paint graphite.

[Mystracing]

The B4 diff has issues with the diff balls not being very good. I doubt anyone did anything wrong building it. I replaced the stack balls with tungsten carbide balls and it feels great.

[MagicD]

My diff is a bit crunchy too. I took it apart, cleaned, and regreased it and it's no better. Mystracing, do you have a part number for the diff balls you used?

[RichieRich]

Mystracing - Thanks for the tip. I think I'm going to replace my balls too. *snicker* I have an RPM B3 gear cover which I am going to attach the way you described. :)

[TUCRACEMAN]

Ball replacement??? Will you be out long?
:p
Guess I'll have to go down to the hobby shop and get some new balls too. That and a RPM B3 gear cover.
~Dave

[k_sw31]

Hmmm, the diff thing seems sorta odd. I guess I'll have to pick up a set of tungsten carbide balls, just in caase. :)

[RichieRich]

Hey guys - I sent an e-mail to RPM asking about a B4 specific gear cover. They said they haven't gotten their hands on the B4 yet, but a replacement gear cover is high on their priority list. They may have one available by the end of May. :)

[TUCRACEMAN]

Suhweeet!

[mtn bkr]

It's sort of good to know that I'm not the only one with a gritty feeling differential. The differential doesn't feel nearly as smooth as my T3's or RC10's (original Stealth) differential. I might pick some new diff balls and thrust bearing and do a rebuild to see how much that helps.

[Mystracing]

The diff balls I use are the tungsten carbide ones at this link

http://www.rc10gthobby.com/tranny_parts.htm

I actually just used the pro diff rebuild kit.

[tallyrc]

has anybody heard anything about a weak front end on the chassis on the new b4, it supposedly breaks near the front when the batteries slide forward in a crash? or is this just a losi guy rumor

[k_sw31]

I highly doubt it.

[MagicD]

tallyrc,

I haven't seen or heard anything about a weak front end on the B4. I've seen some guys do some pretty hard front end crashes and I've even cartwheeled my ride a handful of times and nothing has been damaged on the front...or anywhere for that matter.

The chassis is just so well engineered that I think it'll require quite a crash to do any sort of damage to it. Yes, the arms my break, or the front hinge pin brace, but the chassis? no way.

[kenfuji]

according to our LHS the front hindge pin brace is the weak point. There has been quite a few B4's running around here even before the release since there are a few sponsered guys here. ever since my friend got a b4 he's been keeping pace with the factory guys at the local races with in a couple seconds for the whole race.

I can't wait until i get my hands on my own B4!! gotta keep brushing my skills with the b3 until i'm worthy of such a nice automobile. :)

[drumr racer]

Thanks Mystracing,
My diff sounded ok untill about an hour of driving, I might try it out, the diff sound just doesn't sound right.

[mike_Webb]

A AE guy on another site said that some batches of the B4's went out with out of round Diff Balls. You can either send it back to AE and they will replace the balls or suck it up and go pay $4 for 12 Balls. Or you can buy the IRS 100 pack of Balls for $9 at your LHS.

[mike_Webb]

Also about the front end...

Run the plastic pin brace and you'll break the bulkhead & pin brace. (In most occasions)

Run the aluminum pin brace and you'll break an arm. (In most occasions)

Which is better, I personally feel that it's more difficult to break an arm with the aluminum brace. Plus for $6 you can get two arms that can fit on either side. The pin brace comes with the rear arm support and is $4 and the bulkhead is about $2. So that's $6 to break with the plastic brace, or $3 with the $10 aluminum pin brace.

[tallyrc]

cool. my b4 should be waiting for me when i get home today thanks to airmail overnight!! i am dying to run it since i sold my b3 back when it was still worth something about 3 months ago. i heard that from arecent convert to losi and i thought is sounded fishy. is the diff in the b4 IDENTICAL to the one in the gt?

[drumr racer]

Originally posted by mike_Webb
Also about the front end...

Run the plastic pin brace and you'll break the bulkhead & pin brace. (In most occasions)

Run the aluminum pin brace and you'll break an arm. (In most occasions)

Which is better, I personally feel that it's more difficult to break an arm with the aluminum brace. Plus for $6 you can get two arms that can fit on either side. The pin brace comes with the rear arm support and is $4 and the bulkhead is about $2. So that's $6 to break with the plastic brace, or $3 with the $10 aluminum pin brace.
No kidding, I had a hard time deciding which a-arm went where.

[k_sw31]

Originally posted by tallyrc
is the diff in the b4 IDENTICAL to the one in the gt?

I beleive they use the same differential. :)

[rc10b4stealth]

i killed a xxx's at a race a day ago it was sooo fun

[k_sw31]

...sigh...another day...still no B4...:(

[RCPhan]

I got mine last night... FINALLY! I only have part of it built, but I will be working on it some more tonight!

[EnVuS]

I know many are STILL waiting for their buggys to get in, but any idea on when the Factory, Team, or FactoryTeam versions will be out, and will it be worth it to wait?

Gah!, Man that sounded newbish... Oh well...:rolleyes:

[pudder]

Personally, I would wait for the FT to come out. I know of a few people who are still keeping their B3's until the FT comes around. I mainly race my AE's, take them out at home once in a while, so I don't see it in my interest to have lots of regular plastic extra parts, converting over to graphite is just not worth it in my opinion.

[Mystracing]

This is purely a guess but I would imagine it will be at least a year to 18 months. If they follow the norm there will be a T4 in six months or so, and then they will wait until people have those and buy lots of upgrade parts before even considering releasing a factory team. Plus from a marketing standpoint, you would expect them to wait until sales drop off before releasing a factory team, because a lot of people who already bought a B4 will go buy a factory team version. I wouldn't be at all surprised if it was 2+ years like after the 2005 worlds before they release a factory team version, because by then they will probably have a couple new parts to add in, so it isn't exactly the same as the current B4.

Nobody knows and Associated isn't going to tell you, but you can rest assured it will be long after anyone who want's one now is willing to wait, or they'd be shooting themselves in the foot.

If they follow the normal timetable the B4 will be around for 6 or 7 years, during that period they will need to throw us a bone from time to time. The factory team will probably be the first bone but because of marketing they'd be silly to do it before a year or more from now. If your a racer get a regular one now and buy the time the factory team comes out the one you get today will be worn out.

They have my number I will race the one I have now for a couple years and about that time they will be offering a FT version to help stave off people switching back to whatever Losi comes up with.

[RichieRich]

Guys, I replaced the diff balls (thanks Mystracing!) and my diff is perfectly smooth now. So, there is definitely truth regarding the stock diff balls being out-of-round. If your diff is crunchy, definitely go get some carbide balls before you ruin your new diff.

;)

[k_sw31]

My guess is they will have an FT B4 out in 2-4 months, or less. :)

It only makes sense, since they already the majority of the FT parts out, its just a matter of producing the kit . :)

[dog8spam]

As much as I hate them, I have a friend who wants a RTR version of the B4. He doesnt have much money and thought it would be the best way to go. Anyone have a idea if they might make one?

I've had a GT for five years and the diff has always been gritty, I've tried the MIP super rebuild kit thing and it doesn't help much. If yall find a way to fix it let me know.

[Bigred94]

MagicD, you going to be racing at Mikes tomorrow? I'll be there with the new B4...

[TPhalen]

pudder: If you wait for a FTB4, that would be a BIG mistake. The car is good. REALLY good. I haven't driven off-road in some time and with my car I can get around the track fast....only a couple tenths per lap slower than the fastest pro driver at the track. It's easy to drive...just plain easy to drive. I would just suggest picking one up now and having some fun with it....if you can find one!!!

Oh ya...shameless plug. My new Forum is up: CompetitionX Forum (http://www11.brinkster.com/tphalen/forum/). Stop by, register, and start the posting.... Since this is my site, I'll most likely drop all the other boards and just reveal all my 'inside' info there....

Sorry guys.

[mike_Webb]

According to the AE guys on another board the Factory Team Edition for the B4 will not be out for about a year. They want to make money of this car before they just come out with the FT.

They also have the T4 and BFT to come out with so they are in no hurry to make it.


Also I think it is funny all the people that race the B3 and will wait....while they wait they will get crushed by the new B4. I borrowed a friends B3 for a race and got 28th out of 31 drivers. Ran my B4 and got 12th out of 34 Drivers...all the same bunch of drivers. The Car made that much of a improvemetn for me and that was with the Stock Settings with only a change to the front Spring. Same track layout too. most of the B3's that where there were just slow getting around the track while the B4 would just cut to the inside of them. The A main usually was about 9 XXX and 1 B3.... last A main was 7 B4's and 3 XXX...most of the XXX people are switching to the B4 too..which is really funny. B4 took 1-6th and 9th.

[pudder]

One of my reasons for not getting a B4 is because a few weeks ago I just got a B3. Ya sure the B4 has new stuff, but I race at a club that would probably be considered small to some in the U.S., I don't need the best stuff to be competetive. Heck, I won quite a few races last summer running an original RC10 with a crappy stock motor!

I'll jump aboard the B4 boat in due time. :) I am still very brand-loyal to AE.


dog8spam- I highly doubt they will come out with an RTR B4 either since they always seem to do it with trucks, and probably will follow suit with the T4 when the time comes. :)

[gubby]

yeah, i dont think AE is going to make a RTR B4 because the trucks are so much more popular. when i go to my local track, im lucky if i see 2 buggies(ive never been to a race yet, only practice sessions...my rustler wouldnt fare well and im not in the mood to spen $$$ on it to adjust it for the track) it kinda stinks because i like buggies better than trucks....they're sleeker so they look faster, and i love they way they fly off of jumps....*drool*

[pudder]

I also like buggies better than trucks, but they don't seem to take as good of a beating. I broke both front and rear shock towers on my B3 from landing upside down off large jumps I made, never had that problem with my T3.

Oh well.

Gubby- if you aren't getting B4, maybe consider a Traxxas Bandit. My friend has one, its much cooler than his rustler, and performs good too. :)

[gubby]

im definitely getting a b4. im going to wait a month or 2 until they fix some of the first edition b4's(ie: non-round diff balls, etc)

[dog8spam]

Buggies are cool, but I'll take a GT anyday. They should re-do the GT, Im also "brand loyal to AE". If they make a T4 I'm sure there will be parts that will fit the GT too.

[losixxx213]

the reason for the shock towers breaking easier is due to the fact that they are exposed and not covered up by the body like on the trucks.

[drumr racer]

Has anyone broken any parts on their B4. AE made such a good car, I jumped off this big jump to see how far on the rythme section I could get, I did a 1/4 barrel role right and hit the edje of the jump, bounced back, and nothing broke!

[Lapster]

I just picked up my B4 from my hobby shop. I canceled the order from stormer and got it for $205 at my LHS. Some of you said the diff balls werent round. My diff is perfectly smooth. Smoother than my xxx-s. I was in my basemnt for 2hrs 45 mins and only have to build the shocks. It is vry fast. I stopped because my back hurt.... my vision was blurry.... and my arm hurts. I can't take it any more. what a day to get a car after maxing out at 195lbs at my club. ( Hey, it is not a lot, but I am only 14.) My arms are dead tired. The car has gone together smoothly and quickly. Associated also has a very good instruction manual!! I can wait to drive it tomorrow.

Can you guys give me a range of how fast the car will go with a P2k2... 22t pinion and stock spur. Just a ballpark.

[EnVuS]

Originally posted by mike_Webb
According to the AE guys on another board the Factory Team Edition for the B4 will not be out for about a year. They want to make money of this car before they just come out with the FT.

They also have the T4 and BFT to come out with so they are in no hurry to make it.


Also I think it is funny all the people that race the B3 and will wait....while they wait they will get crushed by the new B4. I borrowed a friends B3 for a race and got 28th out of 31 drivers. Ran my B4 and got 12th out of 34 Drivers...all the same bunch of drivers. The Car made that much of a improvemetn for me and that was with the Stock Settings with only a change to the front Spring. Same track layout too. most of the B3's that where there were just slow getting around the track while the B4 would just cut to the inside of them. The A main usually was about 9 XXX and 1 B3.... last A main was 7 B4's and 3 XXX...most of the XXX people are switching to the B4 too..which is really funny. B4 took 1-6th and 9th.

:o Well we all know it is all in the driver, and not JUST the car. Matter of a fact it is funny you mention that because since th B4 has been out, everyone has been jumping the new band wagon, and a lot of us latter guys down here at the track are stayin true to the B3 and race after race we smash the B4 like they are your everyday losi :D On another note, I did the same thing with the B2, I came in with a B2 and the guys were laughing thier a$$es off since the B3 was the "next greats thing since, STEALTH," and I still managed to pull TQs and qualify for A mains. It may be a better car and easier to drive, but the fact is that people still need to get use to it, and as long as we are as confortable with our B3s and racing as if we are inside the actual buggies driving them, things wont change. It isn't a magic car, and unless we start slackin off, it will stay close. But I can't wait to pick one up! But until I start getting dominated by them, I feel no need to "cross over" or "upgrade" instead I'll be patient and wait for the FTs.

[David Joor]

Lapster - 26mph - 28mph

[pudder]

I talked to the track's owner, he is in contact with AE quite a bit, and I asked him about the T4. He told me they were working on it of course, and that he does have the part number for it when it is to be released. I will try to find out more details, as well as the part number for it.

I also asked him about a FT B4. He said there most likely won't be an FT for around a year.

[David Joor]

I have had my T4 on backorder for about two weeks, be smart and do it now :)

[Lapster]

David Joor.... The B4 is goin a lot faster than that. It is killin my xxx-s. My xxx-s was clocked at 36 at a track. The b4 was wheelieing too much and i had to gear up about 2 or 3 teeth. It now barely keeps the wheels on the ground. So i am runnin way too fast. I might adjust my tx.

[Bigred94]

Ran great with the B4 at the track, so stable!! This thing rocks!

[Bigred94]

pic2

[Lapster]

My body sucks..... The masking tape I used let the paint through after the 3rd coat. The tape was doing very good until the third coat and it let the apnt through. it still looks alright for cans..... but I had to simplify the look a lot. I did some splatters on the rear wing.

I did flourescent yellow and dark blue. That scheme rocks. Now only if I could paint. I need an airbrush very badly.

[evaderstrules]

that is an awsome paint job yo. i will be getting my b4 next year for a couple of reasons.first, next year i wil have a car, in january, and that will be my only way of getting to the track. 2nd i am going to wait for it because they will have all the problems worked out like the unround diff balls, and 3rd they will hopefully have the ft b4 then.

also on the ft b4 the upgrades on it will be graphite chassis and shock towers correct? this is a stupid question but what makes graphite better than the regular chassis?
thanks

[dim007red]

I am looking to buy a b4. Does anyone know where a good place to buy them is???:confused:

[Lapster]

Well... always check your lhs. Call them and ask if they have them inm stock and what the price is. Right now I think www.ultimatehobbies.com has them in stock for 170.


Also, where can I get a replace ment spur. my car works fine but has a low grumbling noise with about 1/4 throttle because I knicked 2 teeth off with dremel.

Will this (https://www.ssl-stormerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/seekpart.pl?pn=ASC6693) work for a replacement?

If not can you give me a link to one that will work?

Or this (https://www.ssl-stormerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/seekpart.pl?pn=ASC8282)

[Bigred94]

Lapster, use Liquid Mask and you will get much better results with no paint bleeding, tape went out with the dino's!!

[DLF]

Bigred-What brand liquid mask do you use and where do you get it from? Is it a hobby-specific product?

[fastharry]

this stuff works great


http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXC099&P=7

you can also try the parma paint mask..

[Lapster]

Did you use cans?

Also, If i get the liquid mask do I just paint it on the inside of the body....... then wait for it to dry.... then cut my design out with a hobby knife?


How do you do it?

I will only use cans.

[Lapster]

Can anyone tell me where I can get a new B4 body?

[k_sw31]

Towerhobbies has them listed, I am not sure if they are in stock or not though.

[Lapster]

Yea... i ave seen a couple of places with them listed....... but any places with them in stock?
?

[Bigred94]

Fast Harry got it right Bob Dively liquid paint mask is the way to go!! You brush the mask on from the inside, draw the design with a marker on the outside, cut the design out and paint. Use of airbrush is the only way to go!! Nobody has the B4 bodies in stock yet, buit Tower will probably be the first.

[Lapster]

How do you cut it? Will a hobby knife scratch the body?

[Bigred94]

You cut the design out with a hobby knife and then "peel" out the sections you want to paint...

[Bigred94]

The knife won't scratch the body, you just lightly use the knife to cut out your design "from the inside" and peel it off, paint and repeat (if your doing a multi tone paint job)

[Lapster]

Awesome... I will definitely do that. I am thinking of doing a lightnig bolt thunderstorm sort of thing.

[David Joor]

Lapster - I am talking stock on a 90 foot straight away geared correctly. I am not talking about comparing it to a sedan on the street. Our track was a blue groove and pull wheelies coming onto the straight and mods hit 33 - 34 where stock did 28 on a police hand held radar gun.

[saabcaptain]

Ok... I KNOW not everyone has one yet and certainly those that do don't have tons of times behind the wheel of the B4 but a couple of questions anyway?

1. What is the most notable improvement versus the B3?

2. How much easier or more difficult is the build versus the B3? How about the XXX for those who have built them?

3. How does the B4 compare to the XXX? (Try to look beyond the initial "this is the best RC car ever" feeling almost everyone has when they first start driving a new model.)

4. What could have be better? What are the weaknesses right now?

Thanks...

[David Joor]

All your questions have been answered in the www link in my profile.

[Lapster]

yea.... sorry david joor. We were each thinking different things. My fault, I wasnt descriptive enough.

[gubby]

whre can i find some b4 videos besides david joors site?

[David Joor]

Good question, if anyone has video but no place to put it, I can host it for you for free on my site. Just let me know and I will get the FTP info to you.:eek:

[Lapster]

Where is a spur gear that will fit the b4? I just stripped my gear now and I need another in less than a week.

[Lapster]

Wii this (https://www.ssl-stormerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/seekpart.pl?pn=KIM304) work?

Or this (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXS463&P=7)

[gubby]

lapster, i think you need a b4 specific gear. doesnt that hexagonal slipper pad slip into the gear or something? i rememeber seeing them somewhere on the net, but dont remember where. maybe stormers. you should get the part # from the manual.

[Lapster]

Ahhhhhhh here we go!!!


YAY!!! (http://www2.towerhobbies.com/cgi-bin/wti0001p?&I=LXEAK2&P=7)

[pudder]

Lapster- Electrical tape also works well for masking. It is similar to some masks that come with bodies, it is good to cut, I have never had a bleeding problem with it either and I have done probably 4 bodies so far wit hthe stuff.

[Lapster]

Everyone everyone!! Any of you read the r/c car mag. How to do a backflip. I tried with a b4. I know what you r thinkin. DISASTER!! But... I almost did it. I jumped then had it go all the way around then it did a nose dive the teeter-tottered onj to the body. It was so close. I didnt even break anything. It was cool.

[k_sw31]

I've done multiple backflips with my T3. :)

Its just a matter of having enough rpms and the jump with the right angle. :)

BTW, was this the rc car action mag or what?

[drumr racer]

IT was RC Car mag

[Lapster]

O yea.... I think i will put a mod motor in it.

[drumr racer]

Post how to do it, or post how to get to an article to do a backflip. Please

[gubby]

while in the air, give the car forward gas to tilt back, give it brakes/reverse for tilting forward

[Lapster]

You need a jump that slopes up.... not straight. You have to approach the jump full speed. The 2 ft before the bottom of the jump momentarily let off the throttle to bring the sus. up. Then gun it. When in the air hold that throttle down the whole time until you are around. Then just touchdown.

You should use a frest battery. And the heaviest..... biggest tires you have in the rear. The use the liightest in the front. Put the battery in the cak. You want to have weight in the rear.

You WILL crash. Dont give up... once you get it, it will be easy.

[drumr racer]

Saweet
Hey guys I bet some of you have GT7's in your car, how do you like it, and do you recomend it, I'm thinking of buying a GT7.

[k_sw31]

Hey guys I got my B4 from stormer today! :D Still in the shrink wrap. :)

[Lapster]

Hey drumr racer.... I was about to get a Gt7... but opted for a C2, I have heard about some Gt7 frying problems. I went with the trusty C2. It is stil great.

[k_sw31]

Well, last night I got quite a bit done last night. I built the chassis with the whole front and rear assemblies, and three shocks filled (tore and o ring for one of the seals, it was to late to go out to the garage). Then I also glued the tires. And my diff feels smooth as well. :)

This whole kit has gone together well, parts fit is exceptional. :D

I have only had a few problems with the kit, like when you insall the ball studs on the front axles carriers, I had one good ball stud, and a mismachined ball stud (threads all screwed up), luckily I found a spare on in the garage.

Oh, and I figured out I switched the left and right a-arms once I went to install the CVDs :rolleyes: That set me back 15 minutes or so. :p

Everything looks awesome so far! :D

[litegide]

k_sw31

Thanks for the review! It took me all last week to build the T3, I think I'm ready to attempt the B4, I might start it tionight.

Hey are you gonna do decals or paint?
I really like those painted B4's a few pages back, but I'm not to confident when it comes to blending and mixing colors.

Is there a link or something where painting instruction is given? I see allot of cool paint jobs out there, I'm just clueless as to how they're achieved:confused:

Phil

[pudder]

Maybe you should invest in RC Painting and Detailing book. I have it, its pretty cool. I have just came up with all my paint jobs from my head, or ideas from other bodies. None of them I have done are fancy. I wreck my bodies too quick to have anything pretty.

[Bigred94]

Liteguide, practice, pick up a book get good with the cans and move onto airbrushes, or just have someone paint them for you :)

Here is my Barracuda to match my B4, I like my cars to match doing one to match the T-maxx in a suburban body next!!

[Bigred94]

B4:

[k_sw31]

For my B4 the main color will be metallic blue, with three indy silver racing stripes (one down the center, one on each side).

:)

[litegide]

Pudder, I hear you on wrecking them so fast!

Big Red, Holy ****! Those flames look awsome!!! That's paint? I bought the dupont 24 flames decals from slixx for my 2nd attempt at a muilticolor body for the T3.

Your B4 is sleek! How much would you charge me - if I sent you the cans of paint and the body to make one look like yours?

Is it really hard to make flames like those? are those masks? If so could you share the part number of the mask.

K-SW31, the blue metallic and silver sounds sharp, if you any pictures so far (even of the construction) post'em, it's an inspiration to get this B4 of mine done.

Thank you,

Phil

[litegide]

Had the cars out today, my sons new Evader against the new T3 FT.

The Before Picture

Phil

[litegide]

Had the cars out today, my sons new Evader against the new T3 FT.

The Before Picture

Phil

[Bigred94]

liteguide, that's all paint, via airbrush. That's the only way! It's all hand masked. I'll shoot you an e-mail for the body.

[litegide]

This was the Evader after the wreck, broke a front arm and a servo mount support, yes they are covered under the stress tech warranty (that's what the envelope contains - parts :mad: ) Although they are free but will take who knows how long to get back from duratrax, The AE is a way better product and way faster with the quantum ESC and the 15t speed gem pro.

Question, is the 48 pitch 20tooth pinion gear a good match with the 15 T double?

Phil

[k_sw31]

Well the chassis is basically all done, I am working on the body right now. :)

Here are some pics...

The front end all assembled...

[litegide]

duplicate post

[litegide]

Bigred

litegide24@sbcglobal.net

Phil

[k_sw31]

and here is how it sits now:

[litegide]

Alright, Alright - I better get off my can and get the B4 together, seeing your kit as a rolling chassis looks great!, it's just an inspiration to build mine right now. The only difference is yours took 24 hours mine will take a week!

The best investment I made was the Losi hex head drivers, the guy at the hs said "man if you're not 100% satisfied come'on back" the little wrenches that came w/the kit are tough on the hands!

Phil

[pudder]

Litegide, the 20 tooth is probably way too high. Try 16.

[litegide]

I have the Robinson "even 6 pack" comes with 16 - 26 gears, I'll try that.

Will that 16 tooth pinnion make the 15T Dbl faster - using the quantum super reverse?

I'm not sure if the speed control has any effect or is it just the motor that makes you gear up or down...?

Phil

[k_sw31]

Well, I already have two coats of metallic blue on the wing, masking off the body now. :D

Good luck litegide :)

[gubby]

My LHS just ordered a b4 for me. it should be there in about a week! im so excited:D :D :D

[litegide]

Bag A is complete! Which is more than I thought I'd accomplish, there are allot of distractions around here :confused: three to be exact, not to mention the cat and dog so working right through is tough.

Gotta work tomorrow so calling it quits for tonight.

Lets see the Metallic Blue!

Phil

[k_sw31]

I am just about to do the first metallic blue coat tonight, I'll probably finish it up by tomorrow night. :D

[k_sw31]

Well, now that the first coat is down I see the center window mask has started to peel up, I guess the coat may have been a little thick but...:(

I guess I'll just mask it with tape.

[pudder]

Originally posted by litegide
I have the Robinson "even 6 pack" comes with 16 - 26 gears, I'll try that.

Will that 16 tooth pinnion make the 15T Dbl faster - using the quantum super reverse?

I'm not sure if the speed control has any effect or is it just the motor that makes you gear up or down...?

Phil

Gearing to a smaller pinion gear will make your truck slower for top speed, more acceleration, and will let your motor run cooler because it will have less strain on it.

The actual gear ratio only has effects on the "gearing up or down" factor, not your motor or ESC, but you may have to change gearing deppending on your motor or ESC.

[k_sw31]

Has anyone found a gearing chart for the B4? I just got my first two runs in, ran awesome! :D

I am running a 19x2 and I wasn't really sure what to throw in so I tried an 18 tooth, you think I should gear up? Motor doesn't get hot at all, seems pretty quick off the line. :)

[k_sw31]

Here's the body all finished and mounted (- the decals):

Oh, and tomorrow it is supposed to be sunny, so forgive the dirt, I'll clean it up tomorrow and get some really nice pics. :D (hopefully.)

[pudder]

Lookin' good!

[litegide]

That baby came together quick!

I'm just now going to begin the transmission.

[litegide]

Until I get this B4 running, we had the T3 and the Stampede out today, The Associated womps all over the Stampede!

Phil

[gubby]

i think someone said there is a gearing chart in the back of the b4 manual so....

what pinion does it say to use with a 15 turn motor on the b4? thanks.

[litegide]

k_sw31


Did you say you're running a temperary motor in your B4 until you get the D5? If this is correct, can you tell me what motor, I looked at the trinity motors and there are many D5's... what D5, what gear, what ESC?

I need to furnish my buggy and have been very intererested in a fast car - able to beet my T3 w/a 15T Dbl Titanite Speed Gem Pro - presently running the quantum super reverse and 48p 20tooth gear (although the gear was recommended to be changed to a lower) - still the motor isn't getting hot.

Anyway back to your B4 motor, is it the D5? what turn - what kind of flat out speeds are you shootin for?

Thanks,

Phil

[litegide]

Gearing to a smaller pinion gear will make your truck slower for top speed, more acceleration, and will let your motor run cooler because it will have less strain on it.

Pudder,

The motor in the T3 - the 15t double isn't hot after 3 packs of bashing around - but it's cool outside...Should I still change it to a 16? - I've seen your race trucks and trophy's so I'm confident you know what works and what doesn't.

Phil

[pudder]

As long as the performance stays good, the motor stays under hot, go for it!

I think the rule of thumb is "if you cant hold your finger on your motor can for more than 3-5 seconds, it's too hot."

Hope this helps.

BTW: Usually AE has a gearing chart in the rear of their manuals, I wouldn't be suprised if there was one for the B4 too.

[litegide]

Yes any info when you're learning always helps.

The motor was fine on the fingers, although the stock rtr stampede has a 20t motor in it was not - that baby was hot! not sure whay gear it has in it? I'd bought that from my brothers kid for 50.00 - it's all stock.

The T3 motor felt way cooler on the t3.

The T3 spins the wheels all over the place on the black top, but that baby feels like it hit's a second gear on the street and really fly's! Twice as fast as the stampede.

If I buy the 69.00 Rooster for the B4 I'm building with a maximum 16t motor do you think I'll get comparable speeds as I do now with the T3 with the quantum super reverse running the 15T dbl?

Phil

[pudder]

Speeds would probabbly be around the same.

[k_sw31]

Originally posted by gubby
i think someone said there is a gearing chart in the back of the b4 manual so....

what pinion does it say to use with a 15 turn motor on the b4? thanks.

Yeah, I found that last night :rolleyes: A 21 tooth seems to work real well. :)

I am pretty sure the chart says 21-22 tooth so....

Litegide- Yeah, I am running this 19x2 for now, its a friends motor, I have a D5 14x1 on order, but I am thinking of canceling it and ordering a good ol D4, or a new reedy Kr.

[drumr racer]

I'll try 2 help you guys out, THis is with stock spur. Final
Motor pinion Drive ratio
24' stock (torque-based) 24 8.78:1
24' stock (RPM- based) 22 9.57:1
36' stock 22 9.57:1
14 turn modified motor 23 9.16:1
13 turn modified motor 22 9.57:1
12 turn modified motor 21 10.03:1
11 turn modified motor 20 10.53:1
10 turn modified motor 19 11.08:1

That came straight from the book on page 20 exept from the spur gear which was 81.

[kilrbzz]

Broke down and got a B4 this week. Had to after driving a friends. Very Impressive. I raced it yesterday and felt it was certainly worth the upgrade. Great cornering speed and ability to soak up rough terrain.

I did have a problem nosing off the steeper large jumps. (This track caters to 1/8 nitro buggies, they soar off the tabletops as far as fifty feet) I went to #2 pistons all around and 30wt front and 27.5wt rear. This helped abit but not nearly enough. I planted the front in several times. Surprised I didn't bust a bulkhead with everybody breaking them. For the normal jumps it flew rather well. Any suggestions? I don't want to sacrifice handling or cornering speed. And I only race this track once a month. My home track is much smaller both in area and jumps.
Thanks for any input.

[clw]

Go to Bogey Creek?

[kilrbzz]

Yeah! How'd ya know? Are you stalking me?:D

[pudder]

Try keeping on the throttle while in the air, it should help keep the rear end down. You could also add some lead weights to the rear of the car, but as you said you didn't want, it would slightly decrease cornering.

[litegide]

What's the best 16T motor where I'd get the most speed out of the rooster ESC in a b4? (the rooster is a 16T MAX esc)

The Speedgem series offers a 16t triple (not a pro) Will the triple give more top end or torque than the double?

I bought the 15T dbl for my t3 and I'm really happy with it.

Thanks,

Phil

[drumr racer]

A triple motor will have more torque, and a double will have more top-end. Get a good motor like a D4, D5, P-94

[k_sw31]

Yeah I'd go for a nice modified 16x2. Say something like a D4, D5, P-94 or a reedy Ti or Kr (I like the looks of the Krs that are coming out :D).

[adam lancia]

i've talked to a few associated guys about the new Kr and they love it. it runs pretty cool and is more efficient plus it makes more power than a motor of similar spec. i'm saving up for one....or two

adam

[pudder]

I have heard from a few people at my track that the D5's aren't too effecient. The new Reedy looks awsome as well. :)

[litegide]

for the new Associated KR?

or Pudder the new Reedy? there are so many choice at tower want to make sure I'm lookin in the right direction :cool:

Thank you,

Phil