Serpent 705

[ponky_wonky]

hey everyone, although i own a v one rr the 705 looks great, what are ur opinions?

[Dava]

I think the MTX-3 of mugen will be better than the 705. You can see preliminary images in http://www.mugenracing.com Click in WHAT`S NEW.
Both cars will be very competitive. Kyosho will have to hurry up with a new design.
I also like the VISION PRO from GS, it`s the most complete kit and it´s about $300. Images of this car in http://www.gs-europe.com

Because the MTX-3 and the 705 are not available yet, the VISION PRO is the car you want to buy.

[KingWillie]

I heard from some people at the show that the 705 looked like it borrowed quite a few ideas from the V-One RR and after looking at those shots of it I have to agree.
Does anyone know the price on the chassis yet? And are there any details on the new Centax II clutch?

For more info on the 705 check this site. (http://www.mytsn.com/products/news.asp?prid=2471&pid=6314) ;)

[ponky_wonky]

I personally don't think kyosho will have to come up with a new design like the V One RRRRRRRRRRRRR, with pro touring cars these days, they're all so amzing in the performance department that if there were a race with all the top touring cars out there, with all the top drivers out there, it would solely depend on driver luck and driver skill, not that "my car is 2 grams lighter than urs, i'm going to beat u! haha!", none of that crud
just my $0.02

[KingWillie]

There are many new designs currently, the cars Serpent is selling to us are getting pretty dated. They basically created this class and its nice to see them bring a modern design in. I was getting a little tired of watching the TC3s, Trinity Reflexs, etc..beat up on them at the track this year. This new design is a welcome step forward I'm sure.

[De-Cypher]

More 705 images at www.atomichobbies.com click on show pictures link...

[Rookie Solara]

Finally got them uploaded.......most of them are SERPENT chassis including 705, 835 and 950 (they all sounds like local area code for our phone.........isn't it?)

And the rest are the items that worth to look at including the NTC3.

http://www.enteract.com/~arsa/chs2002/P0003120.JPG

Here is the link for the rest of the pictures.....

http://www.enteract.com/~arsa/chs2002/

Enjoy......

Rookie Solara

[De-Cypher]

GREAT IMAGES!!!! You got all the good stuff... must have been one hell of a show... eye candy everywhere... it looks like the serpent 1/8 car has interchangeable front suspension... cool... thanks for the images...

[Rookie Solara]

So......hold on to your PRO, there will be the upgrade kits according from Pieter at Serpent, only things are not including in the kits are the new 2-speed and Centax II.....

The car seems more solid then the PRO, at least looks like it.

Rookie Solara

[KingWillie]

Wow, thanks Rookie, those are great shots from the show! The rear suspension on the Serpent looks quite interesting...did you get a brochure? I know it's asking a lot, but how about a shot of that? Thanks again! :D :D :D

[ponky_wonky]

so guys, what exactly does the centax 2 improve upon?

[Jack Moss]

Only the second design of the clutch system created by Serpent in the early nineties, the Centax-II™ features larger ball bearings (a 5x13mm and a 5x10mm) as well as a larger thrust bearing (5x10mm). This increases durability and provides ultra free movement of parts. Featuring an externally adjustable clutch spacing method, the new Centax™ system also sports a new stiffer spring (1.8mm) and a completely new pivoting flyweight system. Standard is the new XP clutch shoe which, when used in combination with all the other new parts, provides extra punch and better clutch consistency.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by KingWillie
Wow, thanks Rookie, those are great shots from the show! The rear suspension on the Serpent looks quite interesting...did you get a brochure? I know it's asking a lot, but how about a shot of that? Thanks again! :D :D :D

Yes, I do have the brochure, however, you can see all those image on Serpent website, the brochure is exactly the same pictures and articles from the 705 site, nothing different.

Rookie Solara

[NTC3NUT]

Got to see at least one of these practicing for the Worlds today, looks fast. I am a die hard Associated fan, but I give all these guys their due. Almost all the current nitro sedans on the market today perform unbelieveably well.

[KingWillie]

Speaking of the worlds I just read somewhere that there were about 20 705s entered all beaten by a NTC3 and a Reflex NT. I forget who was driving the TC3, but Josh Cyrul was driving the Reflex. The 705s filled slots 3-8.

[Backfire]

I heard from my LHS that the kits will soon be on the boat to Serpent USA along with the other new kits(950 and 835). Anyone else have some info?

[Jack Moss]

talked to serpent usa today and they are all due out the same time in November the last week of the month

[Techspert]

Do you guys think other manufacturers wheels will fit on the 705?

[InitialD]

Originally posted by Techspert
Do you guys think other manufacturers wheels will fit on the 705?

Yes, whatever tires that fit the Impulse PRO will fit the 705.

Anyways, most foams and their rims (i.e. FAST, UFRA, Ellegi etc) are manufactured by GRP anyways...

[KronicRacer]

is it out yet, if not when?

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by KronicRacer
is it out yet, if not when?


u want one pls/ let me know.

I have three coming next week.


EMAIL kAKOLITOY@HOTMAIL.COM

[rc4me2]

are these kits out yet?

i keep getting different answers from different stores, saying they wont be here till late december, early january...yet they advertise that they have them now...

doesnt make sense

if anyone has found some, where and how much?

also...

the 705 has a rear ball diff....is the front a one-way???

thanks

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by rc4me2
are these kits out yet?

i keep getting different answers from different stores, saying they wont be here till late december, early january...yet they advertise that they have them now...

doesnt make sense

if anyone has found some, where and how much?

also...

the 705 has a rear ball diff....is the front a one-way???

thanks

Yes its one way in front.

Our country or the U.S.A. is one of the last countries to get shipping from Netherlands. One of the reason why is because of the big demands. Most Americans can spend their cash buying rc cars, planes heli, boat etc. In Asia, not everyone can maintain this hobby. I get my rc products in Asia. Serpent already released their cars over there.

I have my first shipping next week. I can probably match prices in ashfordhobby.

[rc4me2]

how do you like this car?

any gripes?

concerned w/ ease of tuning, stock performance, and durability

thanks

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by rc4me2
how do you like this car?

any gripes?

concerned w/ ease of tuning, stock performance, and durability

thanks .

I am sorry, I sell this cars (705). However, I turned my pro to almost 705. The only thing I am missing is the chassi and gas tank.

I also change the rear to solid axle. This tc is like a smaller impact. It really turns fast. I like 1/8 scale so its like a smaller 8th scale. 705 is a stronger car than ntc3, but tc3 has more accelration. Now, it depends whos driving the car. The suspension is the same as the pro. I like the new Centax bigger thrust bearing like the Kawahara's for Mugen and Kyosho. The car is very stable especially in the low end. It has a lot potential, the only thing I did not like was the rear ball diff. I guess u can turn ur impulse (705) to a 2wd car like the impact 2wd.

[Rookie Solara]

Serpent 950 and 835 were released in ASIA/Europe on 12-16-2002 (according from my source) .

Serpent 705 - unknown, planning to be release in Asia/Europe on 2nd week of Jan 2002........price (pre-order $2600 HKD = $334 US)...you can garantee add 10% more on the USA version 705 (chassis only, no engine), that is close to $366 US.

And yes, Serpent USA probably will be the last stop of the Serpent 705 in the world. USA deserve the best for the last.

[kakolitoy]

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Rookie Solara
Serpent 950 and 835 were released in ASIA/Europe on 12-16-2002 (according from my source) .

Serpent 705 - unknown, planning to be release in Asia/Europe on 2nd week of Jan 2002........price (pre-order $2600 HKD = $334 US)...you can garantee add 10% more on the USA version 705 (chassis only, no engine), that is close to $366 US.

And yes, Serpent USA probably will be the last stop of the Serpent 705 in the world. USA deserve the best for the last. [/QUOT


We r talking about in the U.S.

there is no 950 except to the people that just bought it. ;)

[Rookie Solara]

There are no 705 either in USA, right..?

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
There are no 705 either in USA, right..? .


For sale right? , some people does have the kit already!!

I wrote something here and I realized it mwas not the CT thread. I took it off.

[Crazy Racer]

well Serpent USA was suppose to get their shipment from the Netherlands today and send it out on monday. If UPS is running on schedule i should be receiving 4 kits on tuesday. One of them is for my self:D

[Serpent Impact]

Serpent 705 (Jan) $ 355
Ntc3 kit RE $ 257
Ntc3 starter $ 75
Carbon kit NTC3 $50

No tax no shipping if in Chicago(pick up).
no tax other place.

ask for other products

My email : amuiy2k@hotmail.com
AIM : amuiy2k
Yahoo Mess: amuiy2k

[Rookie Solara]

Worldwide price increases for 2003:

2-3 % on Serpent items
5% on NovaMega Engines
2% on NovaMega Spares

I think they are the ONLY RC mfr that can raise their price every single year..........just wonderfull

[Randman]

Anyone know if the Impulse single speed can be adapted to the 705?

[Serpent Impact]

Click on the link

http://**************/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=19168&item=3101829150

Real?

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Randman
Anyone know if the Impulse single speed can be adapted to the 705?

Yes, but not with MAD money....Street spec has too many STOCK parts and the 705 is a complete hoped up car..........unless you get the SS for close to nothing, it is not worth it to buy parts and convert it to 705.....even the UPGRADE kit is planning to come, the mathematic about money is just not add up.

Yes Serpent Impact, 705 was released last week in Holland only....they are shipping them over to the rest of the world but quantity are very limited, my friend own a LHS at England, only 40 out of 280 ordered 705 will be shipping to UK, believe it or not, but the 2nd batch will be shipped end of JAN.....I don't see that is a big deal, it is just NEW KITS on the block.

Talk to my source in HK, they will have that before 2003, but not with a $400 plus US price tag.

[Crazy Racer]

We just got two 705 kits in today. One of them is sold already. I cant wait to build it!!!!!

[Randman]

I ordered my 705 yesterday, and got a great price on it.

I am not looking to convert an impulse to a 705, I just want to use the impulse single speed transmission on my 705. All the local tracks are short, so I build the car for fast acceleration, not top end.

[Randman]

Dam, I have been out of the hobby for over a year, and got rid of all my tools, it just cost me $300 to get back up to stock on all my Hudy stuff. Have everything from a caster clip remover, to the ultimate setup tool. Cant wait to get the 705 all built!

[Crazy Racer]

what happened to this thread? it just died.. well to keep you all updated i finished building my kit a week ago, but am awaiting my turbo outlaw inline pipe, pcm reciever, and battery pack. I went to order my battery pack and serpent told me that they were on backorder! that truly sucks, so i guess i will be making my own pack for now. no biggie...

i will take some pics very soon...

[Randman]

Wow did the holidays ever screw up the shipping on mine, but just tracked with UPS and it will be here by the time I get off work today! Cant wait to get this thing built and see what it's potential is. I'm going to order 30 sets of tires and a hudy tire truer this friday, so I will have my work cut out for me with that... Glad to see someone else has a 705, I was getting lonely here, the thread really did just die.

[Crazy Racer]

wow 30 sets? thats alot!! i rather just buy them as i need them... and just keep like 3 sets around.

Really, the 705 is just how the impulse should have been. It improved on many of the features on the impulse.

randman: what is your hardware setup? ie engine, pipe, body, etc.

I was given a NovaMega 5port turbo MS by my LHS. My turbo outlaw pipe should be in tomorrow.

What are u going to do for your battery pack? Serpent told me they were on backorder and to make my own.. Are you in the same situation?

[Randman]

I buy 30 sets at a time, because I can get Ellegi for 8.50 a pair at that quantity, saves me a lot of cash, and I always have tires around when I need em.

I am running a Novarossi RS-12 T5S1, with a boost bottle to help out with a little bit of low end. I havent decided on my pipe yet, because a lot of the turbo pipes out there are mainly for top speed, and I need low end, all of the tracks around here are tight, with short straight aways. I have a Protoform Dodge Stratus (the old school one) that my painter (Jason Lutz) painted for me about 2 years ago. I bought those in bulk too, so I still have them in the closet waiting to drive. Although I am going to pick up a Volvo S60 body, because it looks like it might be a better body for racing.

Battery pack... I always make my own, I just dont trust anyone else, I have had 2 premade packs short out on me in the past, and that results in my running into a wall. I always make my own packs, then shrink wrap them one way, and the other, shrink wrap all of the electronic wires, and seal every gap with silicon. I know it's ****, but I want my car in one piece.

Cant wait till my Hudy stuff gets here, got an email from serpent saying the 13'th, so it looks like I will start building the car then. I already sealed up all of the edges on the carbon fiber parts last night, and I have to get all new screws for the car today (I refuse to use a phillips head, self tapping POS screw) also still have to seal up the engine with some silicon to make it bulletproof as well. Well it's time for me to get out of here and start making my rounds to the hobby shops, and hardware shops.

[Crazy Racer]

oh alright i see now...

come on you cant be serious about that boost bottle. That does not work. I talked to ron paris back in the day about them and he said they dont do ****. It seems like you are lacking alot of low end. I have never had that problem. Even with my novarossis before being modified. Your right about the turbo outlaw pipes being better for mid/high end. But once i break in my engine and it gets completely flowed, ported, polished, the whole 9 yards, believe me, there is almost too much power. The novarossi (RB, novamega, etc) .12 inline pipes seem to be perfect if you want good low end.

sealing everything with silicone?! thats even too extreme for me. Engines dont really leak like that. I have had several novarossi based engines and they never required to be sealed like that. I guess it cant hurt though.

[Randman]

All the boost bottle is there for is to take out some of the excess fuel when the car is at idle, so the low end doesnt bog out when you need to get on the gas.

As for the silicon, I have worked on engines used by world champs, and when the Picco engines were brand new and brought out by Trinity, we had a ton of problems with air leaks (damn plastic carbs) so we sealed those up, and ever since, no matter what engine I use, I make sure no air can get into it.

[dg2b]

Can't figure out if the 705 is readily available from what I read. Is it? Where?

[Randman]

I got mine from racing-hobbies.com

[rc4me2]

does anyone know which hobby shops have the 705 now?

if so, where, how to contact them, and how much are they running?

thanks

[Crazy Racer]

rc4: email me at kwimpulse@aol.com..

Buddes Hobbies
(305) 296 6201
ask for bert

[tonimccloud]

I have my 705 with a Sirio .12 since Christmas, and it's greattttttttt!!!!!!!! About prices? In Barcelona (Spain) it costs 455€

[Takashi]

Has anyone seen or heard about 705 convertion kit?
I have an Impulse and I'd like to convert to 705
if you have any info, such as price or hobby shop, please let me know. and I live in Oregon, US

Thanks

[InitialD]

Originally posted by Takashi
Has anyone seen or heard about 705 convertion kit?
I have an Impulse and I'd like to convert to 705
if you have any info, such as price or hobby shop, please let me know. and I live in Oregon, US

Thanks

Rccarinternational has the 801182 update kit to 705 for EURO 251.26. I say better get the 705 instead of upgrading the Impulse PRO to 705.

The upgrade kit will include a set of limited stuff i.e. chassis, upper radio tray, radio tray support, tank, battery holder, rear bulk heads, side graphite chassis stiffeners, rear carbon body support mount and the rear sway bars.

The upgrade kit will not include the Centax II or the lightened 2 speed gearbox. I believe that the new style mounted pullies are also not included.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by InitialD
Rccarinternational has the 801182 update kit to 705 for EURO 251.26. I say better get the 705 instead of upgrading the Impulse PRO to 705.


Well....so no more "Veteq 02" upgrade for $75 on 705..? No more repeat...? Wow........$270 US for the upgrade.

Now, I know how much should I ask for....for the remaining 705 that I got.

May be I should keep one so I can get back to the Serpent family.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Takashi
Has anyone seen or heard about 705 convertion kit?
I have an Impulse and I'd like to convert to 705
if you have any info, such as price or hobby shop, please let me know. and I live in Oregon, US

Thanks


I am selling my ball differential from my 705. U can change ur regular diff to a ball.

Let me know if u want it?

Anyway the ball diff is new never mounted, but its ready to go and assembled.

u can adjust it if u want just make sure that the diff will not lock in long peroid of time.

[Takashi]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
I am selling my ball differential from my 705. U can change ur regular diff to a ball.

Let me know if u want it?

Anyway the ball diff is new never mounted, but its ready to go and assembled.

u can adjust it if u want just make sure that the diff will not lock in long peroid of time.

Thanks for your advices guys.
and kakolitoy, you're selling your diff right?
I'd like to know how much it will be.
I can pay about $20 though.
please let me know

Thanks

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Takashi
Thanks for your advices guys.
and kakolitoy, you're selling your diff right?
I'd like to know how much it will be.
I can pay about $20 though.
please let me know

Thanks

I will sell u my used one for $25

plus shipping. It depends where u live.

The retail is $75 for the whole set.

I have 3 ball diff 2 use 1 new.

U need a pic let me know.

Anyway, I accept paypal (must be verified or USPS money order).

This diff is in great condition and the gear is still intact. no damages, the balls are complete.

Now, u let me know.

[Takashi]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
I will sell u my used one for $25

plus shipping. It depends where u live.

The retail is $75 for the whole set.

I have 3 ball diff 2 use 1 new.

U need a pic let me know.

Anyway, I accept paypal (must be verified or USPS money order).

This diff is in great condition and the gear is still intact. no damages, the balls are complete.

Now, u let me know. [/B]

Hi,

actually I'm thinking buying a new kit. so,... this time, I save money and going to buy a new kit.

but, thanks for asking.

[kakolitoy]

If anyone is interested I have 2 more 705 NIB in stock. Its very hot!! just email me

[Serpent Impact]

I have 6 705 instock now. Please email me
http://niktin.com/Ebay/705/IMG_0802.JPG http://niktin.com/Ebay/705/IMG_0801.JPG http://niktin.com/Ebay/705/IMG_0800.JPG

[Speed De]

I had looked through several R/C forums and can't find a an onesided opinion which of the two 705 or MTX3 is better. Can I have your opinions because they are both great touring cars!

[Serpent Impact]

ONE THING I CAN TELL YOU SERPENT PARTS IS EASIER TO GET. MUGEN HAVE NO PART SUPPORT AND THER CUSTOMER SERVICE IS VERY BAD.

[Speed De]

I wanna know about performance on the track strenght balance, quility because the Serpent is a little maore expensive but I think it's more rigid.

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Speed De
I wanna know about performance on the track strenght balance, quility because the Serpent is a little maore expensive but I think it's more rigid.

I think I can tell you this one thing.............get a CAR that you can have SUPPORT.....for example, hobby shop, friend, at your local track.........etc

Those are very important for the next few years (you wish) with your new future car........both car are very much the same, very much equal and very much the same in performace, if SOMEONE say this car is better then the other car by a mile........he has no idea what he is talking about.

If you are in USA, I would more toward Serpent 705, if you are in Florida......you are crazy NOT to stick with 705 (Serpent USA is in Florida)...

Other reason of choosing 705 is............like MTX3, it is BRAND new design......with almost ALL KIND of hop ups that you can think of, it is in this 705 kits, you probably don't need any options on this car and you are ready to the B or A-main race.........unlike the previous Impulse series, they still have plenty of ROOM for improvement, but the 705 is the DONE deal, put the car together, tune it, and race it ............plug and play, kinda.

In Asia, MUGEN is the way to go (over V1RR and 705) due to the hugh support from Mugen Seiki.......but again, only in ASIA area like Japan and Hong Kong..........

I raced Serpent for the last 4 years, they are bullet proof and heavily engineered, and the 705 is the Ferrari of RC car.....you will stick to this car for at least 2-3 years, you might see someone selling this car immediately, but the reason is very much because they just cannot handle or TUNE the car.........

[ronin8451]

I agree with Rookie, the Serpent also uses much of the same parts as it's big brothers , the 835 and 950 and many parts are unchanged from the Impulse (so there is a big support system for parts). I have yet to go to a big race and not see at least one trailer with a full load of Serpent parts, never for Associated/Mugen/Kyosho ! My friend has a Trinity Reflex and is always not able to run because of no parts being in stock, and also because the parts break easily.:D

[Rookie Solara]

And about the QUALITY issue.....now a day, if you are not running a Tamiya Grasshopper, I think you are safe.....these 2 cars arae very strong compare to the others (like NTC3 that I have now) but again, NO CAR is a tank, they are just a hair stronger then the other, I broke at least 12 steering knuckles of the Impulse from the past 3 years of racing, and some upper and lower arms, too much to count.

But does that make the car WEAK compare to the others? No......I cannot blaim anyone not even SERPENT, I can only blaim myself of BAD driving.......

Once upon a time I heard a experience racer told me......if you don't want to have any parts of your car break.....STAY AWAY from the board......

[KronicRacer]

the boards are the enemy.....

[Backfire]

Originally posted by Rookie Solara
.....you will stick to this car for at least 2-3 years, you might see someone selling this car immediately, but the reason is very much because they just cannot handle or TUNE the car.........

The other reason you will see people selling them will be when Serpent pulls a "Veteq" on all the new 705 owners and brings out an all new car next year.:(

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Backfire
The other reason you will see people selling them will be when Serpent pulls a "Veteq" on all the new 705 owners and brings out an all new car next year.:(

If that happen, that will be the END of Serpent........but I don't think that will happen, cause I see the 705 is a better car then PRO, it is a positive move from Serpent, and the 705 is what IMPULSE suppose to be, so it will look beefy enough to compete with V1RR and MTX3.

However, if I have to choose a nice car or the fast car........I will choose a fast car (ie. ntc3)

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Backfire
The other reason you will see people selling them will be when Serpent pulls a "Veteq" on all the new 705 owners and brings out an all new car next year.:( .


it does not mean u have to change ur car. U do not have to change ur car every time the manufacture drivers change their cars. Off course, the manufacturer are in the business too .They always wants to make cash. They let their drivers drive the latest cars so the public will drive the same car.

My point is u have to be comforatable in ur car. If u find the right car for ur driving skills, then u have to stay w/ that. I drive a Veteq and 950. So far in my experience, my Veteq handles better and turns faster than my 950. My 950 drives like a vector. its almost the same as a Vector. the problem of the veteq is so hard to get inside whenever u need parts to be replace.

[Backfire]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
That does not mean u have to change ur car. U do not have to change ur car every time the manufacture drivers change their cars.

I agree completely, but staying with an older car can pose some issues. Parts support, which is already questionable with current Serpent cars, could become more of an issue with an older car. Atleast with the 705 many suspension parts were carry-overs. Obviously, further testing/development would cease at Serpent on older cars, so you are on you own so-to-speak as far as improving the car.

We shall see, but what scares me is that Serpent has two digits to use for model updates now:eek: :eek: 705...706...710....726.... Serpent could turn into the Microsoft of R/C with weekly updates!!:D:D

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Backfire
I agree completely, but staying with an older car can pose some issues. Parts support, which is already questionable with current Serpent cars, could become more of an issue with an older car. Atleast with the 705 many suspension parts were carry-overs. Obviously, further testing/development would cease at Serpent on older cars, so you are on you own so-to-speak as far as improving the car.

We shall see, but what scares me is that Serpent has two digits to use for model updates now:eek: :eek: 705...706...710....726.... Serpent could turn into the Microsoft of R/C with weekly updates!!:D:D


RE on parts: I still can get parts for my vector v series. Support will be a problem because they always develop the latest cars. Honestly, cars like the vector and nt is more easier to set up than the veteq and 950. Also, I get more costumer service w/ Serpent. Parts are easier to get than kits. really great and easy people to deal w/ compared to Mugen and Kyosho (Off course trinity and associated its easier because they are domestic products). The best thing about serpent products like what everybody said its interchangable parts.

Unlike mugen mtx2 and Mtx 3 totally different car.

[kakolitoy]

My friend has a Trinity Reflex and is always not able to run because of no parts being in stock, and also because the parts break easily.:D [/B][/QUOTE]

Just to let u know and ur freind knows, that some impulse or 705 parts are interchangable w/ the reflex.

Sometimes I used trinity driven (spur) gear for my pro.

[Backfire]

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[ronin8451]

Yes, I know as he has one of my Serpent 50 tooth spurs now! I ordered him some Kyosho belts and front knuckles from Great Planes to help keep his car together. The Kyosho plastic is by far greater than the Trinity junk(and Kyosho parts are cheaper too!!!).

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by ronin8451
Yes, I know as he has one of my Serpent 50 tooth spurs now! I ordered him some Kyosho belts and front knuckles from Great Planes to help keep his car together. The Kyosho plastic is by far greater than the Trinity junk(and Kyosho parts are cheaper too!!!).


Really, kyosho parts are cheaper. I know Kyosho cost more because it is import trinity is a domestic product. In my experience Kyosho cost a lot for parts but very dependeble.

[Speed De]

Anyone know the price of the Novarossi .12 race?

[Rookie Solara]

If you are talking about RACE T5S1 Turbo.........around $200, only if you can find one in USA...(I heard they are in back order, try order that oversea like HK, or try this place....www.rcmodel.com.hk and talk to my buddy Terrance)

[ronin8451]

There is a guy on E-bay selling the S3 Race for around $190, we called Trinity and they have none coming in, e-mailed Novarossi and they said that Trinity WILL get some or they will do something about it( maybe Ernie will finally order some since he is now the exclusive importer). I think there are a few guys getting them straight from Germany or France, but you won't be able to get a warranty if something is wrong with them ( but how many people actually have a problem with a Novarossi? I never have !).
Good luck hunting!

[kakolitoy]

I have a

RS12 s3 $185

Rs12 s5 $196


tell me which one u want.

Also, check ur shipping from ur local post office. My area code is 60402

[supra528]

wat site has the best price for the 705????

[Mark98SS]

After several tanks of fuel the thrust bearing failed in the Centax clutch. Anyone know what kind & how much grease it should have? Maintenance intervals? End play?

Thanks in advance for any input

Mark

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Mark98SS
After several tanks of fuel the thrust bearing failed in the Centax clutch. Anyone know what kind & how much grease it should have? Maintenance intervals? End play?

Thanks in advance for any input

Mark


HI!

There are only two ways to brake thrust bearing.

1. Hammering- too much end play.

2. Heat - to tight or its rubbing.


Go back to the manual and just take ur time building the clutch. U do not suppose to put any grease in there.

I really suggest no shims before the bearing of the clutch bell. If u do not have a digital caliper. Here, I just measured a regular paper clip (steel). The Clip is 0.08 (width) the bell should pull away from the motor below or exactly 0.08. That is not much its barely moving. Shims just goes behind the collet.

Hope this helps!!

[Mark98SS]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
HI!

There are only two ways to brake thrust bearing.

1. Hammering- too much end play.

2. Heat - to tight or its rubbing.


Go back to the manual and just take ur time building the clutch. U do not suppose to put any grease in there.

I really suggest no shims before the bearing of the clutch bell. If u do not have a digital caliper. Here, I just measured a regular paper clip (steel). The Clip is 0.08 (width) the bell should pull away from the motor below or exactly 0.08. That is not much its barely moving. Shims just goes behind the collet.

Hope this helps!!

Thanks for the input, I'll try an old fashioned feeler gauge to measure the play. As for the grease; surely it should be greased, even the manual says so. It just didn't indicate what kind & how much. I used AE diff grease (the clear stuff) the first time & I think it was too light. Anyone else have any ideas??

[Rookie Solara]

http://users.rcn.com/arsa/fire705.jpg

Picture better then thousand words............if you don't want to see this happen to your 705.....double check your wires connection and never let that hang to the ground.

I've seen Serpent fly out the road, but this time, it was on fire as well......

Check out the rest of the damage pictures here, and don't worry about those chinese word....

705 is HOT action (http://groups.msn.com/RacingCar/forum1.msnw?action=get_message&mview=0&ID_Message=2870&LastModified=4675416654837272090)

[Ramolap]

Where can I get the 705 online for the cheapest, besides ebay?

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Ramolap
Where can I get the 705 online for the cheapest, besides ebay?


The guy who sells NIB 705 in ebay is a cool guy. His from Chicago, I get some stuff from him too.

He is really safe to deal w/ .

His here in this forum too.


HKserpent is his ebay name. He will give u a good price!!

[ImpulseGTP]

Originally posted by Mark98SS
Thanks for the input, I'll try an old fashioned feeler gauge to measure the play. As for the grease; surely it should be greased, even the manual says so. It just didn't indicate what kind & how much. I used AE diff grease (the clear stuff) the first time & I think it was too light. Anyone else have any ideas??

a very exprerienced racer told me to use high-heat bearing grease for real cars or any kind of thick grease with a hi-temp feature that you can easily find tham at most auto parts store would work. i use a brand called "sta-lube" sythetic grease for brake caliper. sounds weird, but it works extremely good. never failed a thrust bearing since last summer :cool: . as for how much..ummmm......just cover the thurst balls completely and you should be good to go (it wont hurt to put more, since that whole tube of grease is gonna last you a while and its only like $5~$7 for each tube). i suggest you at least re-grease it once at the end of every race day, i have heard people actually re-grease their thrust bearing between heats.

hope that helps:)

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by Mark98SS
Thanks for the input, I'll try an old fashioned feeler gauge to measure the play. As for the grease; surely it should be greased, even the manual says so. It just didn't indicate what kind & how much. I used AE diff grease (the clear stuff) the first time & I think it was too light. Anyone else have any ideas??

You are using the wrong grease, the clear one from AE is silicone grease, that actually will collect DUST and garbage......stop using that.

The AE grease I've been using is the BLACK AE grease (that is actually the similar grease that Robert from Ashford hobby use, but his is called GREEN GREASE), that is designed for steering pivot balls, bearings and other items that required lubrication and reduced TEMP purpose....

Centax thrust bearing MUST need greasing, that is recorded from SERPENT manual and their website. Do a search on mytsn site for articles from Miko, he did at least 2 articles about how to build a perfect centax and at least 1 article about the NEW DESIGN to upgrade the OLD centax (by using the brown shoes instead of the white plastic one).....those are very usefull articles, and print them out for future reference.

I don't think you need to grease the thrust bearing on every heat unless you are those EUROPEAN league racers that race 30 minutes qualifier and 45 minutes main......... for average racing, you just need to grease the thrust bearing (on both side) at the end of the race, so you will have the thrust bearing greased for your next race.

[saint13]

Hi...I just purchased my 705 a couple of days ago and upon reading the manual I noticed that it doens't indicate for the rear ball diff to be lubed. Is this right? If not, would Associated's Stealth Diff Lube be the way to go and how often would you say the rear diff has to be rebuilt?

Also, what would be the equivalent 30 wieght serpent shock fluid be to Trinity (Kinwald) shock oil?

Any other building tips and responses would be great. Thanks.

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by Mark98SS
Thanks for the input, I'll try an old fashioned feeler gauge to measure the play. As for the grease; surely it should be greased, even the manual says so. It just didn't indicate what kind & how much. I used AE diff grease (the clear stuff) the first time & I think it was too light. Anyone else have any ideas?? .


Hi!

This topic really caught my attention and tried to test them. I did a lot of research on centrifugal clutches, not just centax. Lawn mower has centrifugal and transmission of a pontiac Grand AM 3T40E. It took me about 2 weeks of testing and note taking to make my small experiment precise. I went back to MYTSN.com and checked the article of the drivers and engineer of Serpent cars. I was really focusing on the thrust bearing and distance of the clutch bell. I reread all of Milko Tentoff's article about making a perfect clutch. For some reason, I did not see or read about lubrication on the thrust bearing or in that article. So I have no choice just to run them and test it.

2 weeks ago I dismantled 2 centax clutch in 2 serpent impulse and compared them. The clutches have the same shoe, spring, ditance, shims for short almost identical.

The first impulse was running w/ no grease @ all, while the second impulse was running w/ lithium grease. I was really concerned of the grease will easily attract the dirt even if u have a "DUST CAP." I have 3 grease in my list. I cannot use a thick grease because of dirt and I did not use a thin grease (W40) because of easily remove in friction. Lithium grease is a light grease that mostly use in sealed bearings and clutch packs in reals cars. Both centax has a movemnent of exaclty 0.06 away from the motor Measured 3 times w/ digital and analouge caliper. For some reason I felt that the car w/ lithium grease is having more slippage. I have do re do the clutch and make sure that the shoe is "Grease FREE." I tried it again but I felt it was not satisfactory for the Centax shifting. Also, some accumulation of dirt after running @ least 4 tanks.

I used another grease I use a silicone grease (White tube). This grease is usually use for automatic or manual windows and doorlocks. Water and air can go inside the door of the cars. Honestly, it work very very good. Last Saturday We took our IMpulses @ the track and run about 4 to 5 tanks. I cannot belive it was very smooth of disengaging and engaging. I never broke a thrust bearing before but this grease Adds extra performance in the motor, clutch, and car. Before we went to the track I felt good on my firs testing and I decided to just try it on the practice race. I will keep using this grease until I get unsatisfactory w/ the Silicone grease. I will post it if something happens to my car.

Tuesday morning, I dismantled the clutch, and I have to witness it myself. the whole bearing assembly almost had no dirt. I cannot believe it.

You can try the experiment too. It is very time consuming, but it pays off in the end.

BTW: Sorry to all readers in this forum for the Novel, I just got so intrigue in this topic. :)

[trickedoutGT]

Do Impluse parts work on the 705? Do they make universals? Thanks

[kakolitoy]

Originally posted by trickedoutGT
Do Impluse parts work on the 705? Do they make universals? Thanks .


Suspension are the same such as the lower and upper arms front and rear.

[MikeWz]

What's the difference between the 705, the Impulse and the Vteque (spelling)?

[ImpulseGTP]

the 705 is a newer, updated version of the Impulse (touring car). the Veteq is a 1/8 on-road car.

[MikeWz]

Cool, thanks for the help!

[serpent69]

dude, the veteq and the 705/impulse are 2 completely different cars. ones an 1/8th scale that runs off a .21 and the 705 is a 200mm 1/10 scale tourer powered by a .12

[kerem550]

Hi,
I want to buy a 705 but I can not find enough information about serpent cars. For ex. which parts does 705 include, which parts do novamega engines include, which starter box is proper? In serpent's official site there is no information. I live in Turkey and want to buy all stuff in one shipment. Shortly I need info please some help...

[nitrodude_1]

how fast dose the 705 go and how much did it cost

[serpent69]

it all depends on the type of setup you have your car running on, and the type of engine, bearing, etc. but my 705's will run close to 65mph when tuned right, novamega, rb-yes i have 2 705's!!:D

[xardjetx]

Hmm. Isn't the 705 a tad bit larger than a 1/10 scale and more like a 1/9 scale? I was racing and I always see those onthe track and they are much larger than the usual mtxs and have lola bods. oh well its still fun to racem.

[R/C_Newbie19]

The 705 is a 1:10 200mm Touring Car, exactly the same as for example the Mugen MTX-3. But if you drive TC and they Lola it can be some minor diffrensies.

[taz5176]

Originally posted by kakolitoy
.


Hi!

This topic really caught my attention and tried to test them. I did a lot of research on centrifugal clutches, not just centax. Lawn mower has centrifugal and transmission of a pontiac Grand AM 3T40E. It took me about 2 weeks of testing and note taking to make my small experiment precise. I went back to MYTSN.com and checked the article of the drivers and engineer of Serpent cars. I was really focusing on the thrust bearing and distance of the clutch bell. I reread all of Milko Tentoff's article about making a perfect clutch. For some reason, I did not see or read about lubrication on the thrust bearing or in that article. So I have no choice just to run them and test it.

2 weeks ago I dismantled 2 centax clutch in 2 serpent impulse and compared them. The clutches have the same shoe, spring, ditance, shims for short almost identical.

The first impulse was running w/ no grease @ all, while the second impulse was running w/ lithium grease. I was really concerned of the grease will easily attract the dirt even if u have a "DUST CAP." I have 3 grease in my list. I cannot use a thick grease because of dirt and I did not use a thin grease (W40) because of easily remove in friction. Lithium grease is a light grease that mostly use in sealed bearings and clutch packs in reals cars. Both centax has a movemnent of exaclty 0.06 away from the motor Measured 3 times w/ digital and analouge caliper. For some reason I felt that the car w/ lithium grease is having more slippage. I have do re do the clutch and make sure that the shoe is "Grease FREE." I tried it again but I felt it was not satisfactory for the Centax shifting. Also, some accumulation of dirt after running @ least 4 tanks.

I used another grease I use a silicone grease (White tube). This grease is usually use for automatic or manual windows and doorlocks. Water and air can go inside the door of the cars. Honestly, it work very very good. Last Saturday We took our IMpulses @ the track and run about 4 to 5 tanks. I cannot belive it was very smooth of disengaging and engaging. I never broke a thrust bearing before but this grease Adds extra performance in the motor, clutch, and car. Before we went to the track I felt good on my firs testing and I decided to just try it on the practice race. I will keep using this grease until I get unsatisfactory w/ the Silicone grease. I will post it if something happens to my car.

Tuesday morning, I dismantled the clutch, and I have to witness it myself. the whole bearing assembly almost had no dirt. I cannot believe it.

You can try the experiment too. It is very time consuming, but it pays off in the end.

BTW: Sorry to all readers in this forum for the Novel, I just got so intrigue in this topic. :)

hi kakolitoy

tink tat's very informative!!! need some help on the clutch.
i've been using zx1 lithium complex grease, it works great on the usual track i play, it's a small technical track wif mid traction, a little bumpy at some areas, couldnt hardly full throttle until the straight. my car is running great there!!!

but when i race in another track, a slightly bigger technical track wif high traction but im able to power the car almost anywhere, great traction, great car i must say. then my problem comes, when im starting the car for my heats or main, it slips, need to wait a few more secs b4 the clutch can engage again. but once i run a couple more laps, the car runs fine again. i could only tot of a few problems:
1. rear diff slip, not tight enuff? - i double-check & it seems good!
2. 2-speed one-way - i remove & found no problems
3. too much grease? - i stop greasing the car between heats & 45min main, still encounter the same problem
4. at 1st, i tot it could be my engine warming up, not enuff power? - still get this problem after 5-6 mins of run, even refuel between runs (btw, this time is during a nite bashing wif frens, not race)
5. most like is due to the clutch settings...

i actually "file" my stock clutch coilspring down, the power seems to be smoother & less stress on the engine on the usual track i play. i was tinking could it be the spring is too soft, & so when i power the car too fast, it revs too high & too fast to engage the bell properly? im gonna change to the stock 1.8 & hv another go at it this weekend.

any suggestion is welcome. oh ya, btw im driving a 705 wif centax 2 clutch

[Rookie Solara]

Time to sell your 705...................Serpent just released the new S-710..............it is a totally different car, so don't bother to do a upgrade, cause there are too much to upgrade.

Now, I think I can finally go back to the Serpent camp and get a nice looking belt driven car....

http://www.rcmodel.com.hk/lb5000/usr/13/13_1598.jpg

Serpent 710 (http://www.mytsn.com/news/publ.asp?pid=9232 )

[R/C_Newbie19]

Hmm, Do you think my Impulse PRO/705 will be able to race 710:s in Sweden (where R/C is a very small sport)? My Impulse/705 is brand new for me so i don't want to sell it..

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by R/C_Newbie19
Hmm, Do you think my Impulse PRO/705 will be able to race 710:s in Sweden (where R/C is a very small sport)? My Impulse/705 is brand new for me so i don't want to sell it..

YES.......absolutely.

710 is just a more updated TC for Serpent...it is gotta be better, but I would say just a little.

Usually, a better driver win races, not a better car.....in our track, we still have some fast Serpent Impulse Street Spec with some MOD can still hang with 705/NTC3 or MTX3 on A-main

So don't waste your money on 710.......at least wait untill you are getting better and 710 going down the price or when 715 is out on December 2004 (base upon Serpent update Schedule every year)

[R/C_Newbie19]

Puh.. I were scared that i threw around US$800 away at a useless car. And I think I drive pretty well (I've just got a competition car 1 year).
And, by the way, what you think is the best upgrade: front one-way and all carbon fiber upgrades (i got a hardly tuned Streetspec) or a new RE Engine ( i now got an SX-12 SE EV-2, are looking at a SX-12 RE Turbo or something). My plan for now is to get the one-way and carbon fiber upgrades now at the winter and get a new engine around July/August.. What you think?

[Rookie Solara]

Originally posted by R/C_Newbie19
Puh.. I were scared that i threw around US$800 away at a useless car. And I think I drive pretty well (I've just got a competition car 1 year).
And, by the way, what you think is the best upgrade: front one-way and all carbon fiber upgrades (i got a hardly tuned Streetspec) or a new RE Engine ( i now got an SX-12 SE EV-2, are looking at a SX-12 RE Turbo or something). My plan for now is to get the one-way and carbon fiber upgrades now at the winter and get a new engine around July/August.. What you think?

Always, get engine upgrade first, RE is good to start....3port turbo or 5 port turbo are good.

1-way is needed when you have a high speed track.

Carbon Fiber upgrade....I thought you have 705 already, what else do you need carbon fiber for...?

[R/C_Newbie19]

I have a Impulse. It was a streetspec when i bought it but i've upgraded it with Centax (705), Balldiffrential rear (705). And still wondering about carbon fiber and one-way OR a new engine with 1.35 horsepower as std and is slightly tuned. The thing is that I'm not so very expirenced (this is my third car, the last one i had was a Impact). A guy who runs at the same track as me says that I should train more before i get a new engine. He thinks a should by a transponder, front one-way and a lot of tires. My idea from the beginning was: Front one-way, all carbon fiber upgrades and a lot of tires.
What you all think about this: I buy front one-way, all carbon fiber upgrades and some tires now and get an new engine later on (around July maybe)?
Oh, i almost forgot, how "good" (I heard it's crap) is the SX-12 SE EV-2? Anyone got a clue about its horsepower? What will be best, the Nova Mega 2680 pipe or the Nova Mega .12 C1? I know the 2680 is a .15 pipe but I have it at home, it's not so big diffrence between .12 and .15 engines?

Thankful for all answers!

P.S I'm pretty tired so I have to exuse my langugage.. I'm a swedish 13 yr old kid so i preferly speak swedish..

[R/C_Newbie19]

Oh, i forgot, my local track is very slippery. Will the front one-way be good or bad for it then? It's not a very fast track either..

[ic0nn]

rc newbie:

see what the fast guys are running for tires. you can make a good guess on what you can use for your tire setup and go from there. as far as engine goes unless you cant keep up with similarly geared cars on your track (like down the straight) you may not need it yet. car may be a bit more hairy to drive if your track is slippery and you are using a oneway. a carbon fibre upper deck would help make the car more rigid, but this may also take away some tractibility on the slippery surface.

take home message is change things that you feel would improve your driving at that track. of course if you got the cash get all of it so you can do some experimenting :-).

[BRT]

If you want to see new photos of serpent 710, please visit www.cochesrc.com.

There are detailed photos of the variable roll center, variable rear suspension toe in, ... of the serpent 710.

You have to register in the web to see the photos.

In a few days i will put the photos of a prototype, a 1/10 touring car, with the two servos down, and the design similar to a 950R, but in touring.

We have put in the web new international forums to ask anything you want about r/c, specially about that prototype and the news in the web.

[primuswoostinkinhoo]

can you put a side exhaust motor in a 705?

[musclecar]

No. All Impulse, 705 and 710 need a rear exhaust engine.

[primuswoostinkinhoo]

i just got a 705 in a trade and its missing a few parts, the fuel tank, the radio tray brace, the battery holder thing, and im intrested in any other spares or extras anyone has, i have stuff to trade and ive also got cash, email me at primuskicksyerass@yahoo.com

[rc addict]

thats a good bargain. hehe

[primuswoostinkinhoo]

so nobody runs this car anymore?

[primuswoostinkinhoo]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/mbxb4/cars/serp3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/mbxb4/cars/serp2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/mbxb4/cars/serp1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v16/mbxb4/cars/3killers.jpg
heres my 705 and my other two onroaders

[KENCHOCO2]

i still run my 705 ...choco

[Volumex]

I just purchased a used 705 today. Nova .12 motor and all the goodies. Couldn't pass the deal.
Looking forward to run this car at the local tracks.
Question: How is the situation with parts availability?
Also, does the car share anything with the latest 710? (I.E. suspension, arms, diffs, hubs, etc.)
TIA.
AG