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mjkall
10-17-2002, 09:40 AM
I was thinking of measuring the speed and RPM of a passing nitro boat by recording the sound as the boat passes me. All you would need to do is to bring a taperecorder with a microphone and record a couple of passes at full throttle. Once you get home you can sample the data to your computer usnig a sound card and by processing the audio data one could determine the speed and RPM of the boat.

When looking at the spectrum of the sound when the boat is approaching you and when it is moving away from you, you will get two peaks. The first peak is at a higher frequency and the second peak is at a lower frequency. By averaging these two frequencies and multiplying by 60, you get the engine RPM (since frequency is 1/sec, you convert to 1/min by multiplying by 60). By calculating the difference between the two frequencies, you get the speed by using the following formula (Doppler):

V= (df/(2*f))*340 m/s

where df if the difference between the two frequencies and f is the average of the two frequencies. 340 m/s is the speed of sound in the air. By changing the unit of the speed of sound (kph, mph etc.) you get the speed in different units.

Example:

When a boat is moving towards you, you hear it at a frequency of approx 515 Hz. When the boat moves away from you, you hear it at approx. 485 Hz. Taking the average of that you get 500 Hz which in turn gives you an RPM of 60 * 500 = 30.000. The difference between the two frequencies is 515 - 485 Hz = 30 Hz. By using the above formula you get:

V = (30 Hz / (2 * 500 Hz)) * 340 m/s = (30 / 1000) * 340 m/s = ~10 m/s

So the boat is travelling at 10 m/s.

fastratfink
10-21-2002, 09:28 AM
or put 2 bouy's 88 feet apart 60mph is 88 feet per second. time the boat thru the bouy's 1 sec is 60 mph then go with a calculator from there

mjkall
10-22-2002, 11:29 AM
That will give you the speed, but it will not get you the engine RPM. Also, you need a means of measuring 88 feet on water and you need the equipment to deploy bouys.

fastratfink
10-22-2002, 06:20 PM
the mechanics are pretty basic anchor one bouy and tie an 88ft string on the other one row away from the first and drop the anchor of the second the n cut the string.i dunno what kinda pond you got but most guys have some kinda retrieval boat. "fastach" makes a tell tale tach it records top rpm for the run.
good luck

duckweed
10-22-2002, 10:34 PM
The method using the buoys is the one to use I don't want to go home to check how fast i was going then go back to run some more

mjkall
10-23-2002, 08:39 AM
I agree the bouy method is probably the best way when you are tuning the boat to get feedback right away. I would use the doppler method as a low-cost, easy and robust method to get data on the performance of your boat if you have no idea how fast it goes or what the RPM is.

fastratfink
10-23-2002, 10:37 AM
we also use two other methods one is an ETREX gps and the other is a water powered speedo with a pickup mounted on the transom how exact it is is unknown but its consistant for setups. the etrex can be affected by atmospheric conditions disrupting the signal but they do work pretty well

Ron Olson
10-23-2002, 01:11 PM
Two Words, Radar Gun. They can be had for under $100.00 and less hassle.

duckweed
10-24-2002, 12:05 AM
Three words Ron ex pen sive
buoys are dirt cheap
I don't believe those radar guns are accurate if they work at all,
have you tried one?

Ron Olson
10-24-2002, 07:23 AM
Yes, I have tried one of the Quick Silver radar gun that a friend bought for timing his boats. I didn't get much time with it and didn't get a chance to read the directions for it but we were able to get clockings on a 3.5 sized outrigger and my sons 3.5 mono. Unfortunately, most clockings have to be done while the boat is either coming at you or going away.

duckweed
10-24-2002, 05:44 PM
Calibration?KPH ?

Ron Olson
10-24-2002, 05:49 PM
Yes, it does MPH or KPH. Self calibrating, I really couldn't tell you off hand.

KG4
10-26-2002, 01:43 PM
$100.00 for a radar gun is cheap.Ron where can i get one?

Ron Olson
10-26-2002, 01:47 PM
I hink that he got it from Harbor Freight. Try their web site. $79.95+ S&H.

Pagemaster
10-26-2002, 02:34 PM
A Garmin GPS is even better. They give max speed and are tinny.