Novak HV-Maxx brushless motor

StevePond · #1 09-14-2003, 11:09 AM

HV-Maxx brushless motor and ESC for Traxxas E-Maxx
Novak’s newest brushless motor and ESC combo is a direct replacement for the Traxxas E-Maxx. Check it out:
HV-Maxx ESC
> Same “footprint” as stock EVX controller for drop-in installation
> 6volt/3amp BEC circuit
> 12-cell compatible with proportional brake and reverse
> Industry-first Transmitter Check Mode
> Locked Rotor Detection circuit prevents damage due to a stalled motor.

HV-Maxx brushless motor
> Single HV motor replaces dual brushed 550s
> Uses sensor based technology
> Direct solder wiring tabs
> Ball bearings
>Thermal protection
Item no. 3220 (ESC), 3410 (motor), 3020 (ESC and motor combo)

atm92484_3 · #2 09-14-2003, 12:08 PM

Sweet. Is this motor too big then to bolt onto something where it was powered by a single 540?

Zr2 · #3 09-14-2003, 12:26 PM

They should allow waayyyy more cells on the motor and ESC. Everyone wants to atleast be able to to run atleast 16 cells if they want to.

-Matt

StevePond · #4 09-14-2003, 12:29 PM

It's much smarter to design the system around the same number of cells used in the original truck than to optimize it for an odd number of cells that would require custom-made packs.

Lord Radeon · #5 09-14-2003, 02:48 PM

I disagree. If your going to put down$$$ on brushless system, then your going to have done research on it. There are far better options available that allow you to scale power. Brushless power is almost linear. It's sad that their controller limits to 12 cells... a reason MANY buyers won't purchase the novak system.

old phart · #6 09-14-2003, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord Radeon
... a reason MANY buyers won't purchase the novak system.

Don't count on it!

StevePond · #7 09-14-2003, 03:59 PM

LR - I'd be willing to bet thats exactly the reason most people WILL buy this set-up. The portion of the market that actually wants motors that will bust a stock tranny in less than one battery pack is probably about 1/10 of 1 percent. It may shock you to know that the rest of the world doesn't think the way you do.

jwrape · #8 09-14-2003, 04:04 PM

Ok, call me ignorant. But this motor looks like somethin' CRAZY.
I am from the old school. Where you had to replace the brushes in your motor every two or three times you raced. Ok,
tell me how this thing works and why it has SO MANY wires coming out of it?

chickenmobilin · #9 09-14-2003, 04:07 PM

I believe that this will be a huge success for Novak , along with their other brushless system.
Most people stay away from the other systems , partly because they do not under stand them , partly because they have no interst in running that many cells. I know that with any system , I have no interest in running that many cells , much to much maintenance involved.

atm92484_3 · #10 09-14-2003, 04:39 PM

Plus building packs is a pain in the ass.

RacerTim · #11 09-14-2003, 05:29 PM

jwrape: Brushless works like a inside out brushed motor: the windings are in the case and the magnet is in the center. simply put, the segments of windings are energized in order and that is your rotation. The wires are your power wires, and the small harness is the sensor harness that tells the ESC which winding is energized (I think???

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jwrape · #12 09-14-2003, 06:28 PM

What are the advantages? Why would I buy this? For my Clod maybe? For my Bruiser Maybe?

So what kinda price tag are we looking at.

NewToNitro · #13 09-14-2003, 07:40 PM

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Originally posted by jwrape
What are the advantages? Why would I buy this? For my Clod maybe? For my Bruiser Maybe?

So what kinda price tag are we looking at.

Tower has the motor/esc combo for 309. Their prices always drop once the item is released. Id guess that it will be 250-300 for the setup.

JimmyMac · #14 09-14-2003, 08:09 PM

I think alot of people are ignorant to the fact that they think Brushless means it should have more power and be blazingly fast. But the fact is that Brushless simply means it has no brushes and thus very very less maintance. Sure there are people who make insane brushless systems. But I'd like a simple less maintance reliable system that is a drop in replacement for my EMaxx. Plus slightly longer run times. Maybe later on Novak will build a "Hot" setup if the demand for it is there. But til then like Steve said, they need to support the majority before they support anything else.

racinlosi · #15 09-14-2003, 08:42 PM

StevePond- Why does it say it is for the T-Maxx? Can you use it on other cars than the MAXX line of cars?

JitsuGuy · #16 09-14-2003, 11:29 PM

I've seen E-Maxx videos on other boards with SERIOUS brushless setups... They are blazingly fast, the only problem is, once they get too fast, the handling goes out the window. Just barely turning the wheel at speed can lead to some serious carnage. Don't get me wrong, speed is awesome, but these little things can only go so fast before they're impossible to control. I think the Novak system will be great for the Electric MT's of the world and for people who want to get into Brushless fairly easily.

Jits

speedydave · #17 09-15-2003, 01:03 AM

I hope it's not for the T-Maxx, because the T-Maxx is nitro powered...

Probably a typo on that.

You can use the motor in any large, 12 cell, high voltage application. Basically anywhere you'd use a Hacker C50 or EVX/Titan combo.

jeepinator · #18 09-15-2003, 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by jwrape
What are the advantages? Why would I buy this? For my Clod maybe? For my Bruiser Maybe?

Glad to see you crawl out from under that rock

jwrape · #19 09-15-2003, 07:31 AM

Quote:

Glad to see you crawl out from under that rock

What rock? I just joined the site.

Lord Radeon · #20 09-16-2003, 01:37 AM

Steve, the point is future UPGRADABILTY. With novak, there's nothing there. Like I said before, with the linear power curve of the motor, you'd think they'd at least have a controller that can handle 14, if not 16 cells IF INDEED you were so inclined to handle the extra power. They're missing out on the experienced brushless guys, which IMO is around 20% of the market

jeepinator · #21 09-16-2003, 02:38 AM

It's pretty clear that, other than a few niche items, the RC industry is headed for total RTR/plug n play.
The reasoning is most likely higher margins due to lower support costs.
It is likely that Novak will have a range of controllers and motors in the future. Releasing so many models now, this early in the game, would seem unwise, especially from a company with a legendary reputation for making reliable products.
It makes sense that they start with direct replacement as the focus and then later migrate to high performance. Once the technology gets totally ironed out and possibly standardized a bit more you might see the types of things you are wanting.

Brushless has not yet achieved nearly the standardization that brushed has. This is a risky market to venture into. One must tread carefully and with clarity. I am sure that Novak is hoping their design philosophies become the standard. If so, Novak pays for R&D only once. The biggest market share, in my opinion, is direct replacement. Quickly building market share is critical to the industry adopting your design phillosophies.
Of course this is striclty my completely uneducated opinion on the matter. I really have no idea what I am talking about. Something tells me I am in the ballpark, however.

It all makes sense to me. I think you should stop being bitter.

thelastd · #22 09-16-2003, 11:17 AM

This is from Novak:

The HV Maxx Brushless Motor System is significantly faster than the dual
stock Titan setup that comes in the truck.

The final specs of the system have not yet fully been decided upon but 14
cell applications have been anticipated and tested.

so they are unofficially saying it will run on 14 cells.

old phart · #23 09-16-2003, 01:34 PM

FWIW, when the E-Maxx still had the Traxxas VX-12 speedo that kept failing (mine literally caught on fire) I switched to a Novak Super Rooster speedo. It was designed for a maximum 10 cells. I and lots of others ran them with 12 cells and never experienced a failure. Of course I also had a CPU cooling fan blowing air across mine but the speedo never seemed hot. I only changed it out after about 5 months when the newer Novak EVX speedo came out.

So.........chances are the Novak equipments maximum ratings are understated to allow for goofs (like me) to push them beyond their normal expected limits and still perform.

SixVi6-Camaro · #24 09-16-2003, 02:13 PM

Interesitng the experienced Bl guys are hammering the New Novak HV without even seeing the specs or seeing it run. If Hacker was putting a new system out I bet it would be a completely different story.

If the HV is soo bad because you can't upgrade as of yet and can't run 16+ cells then.. Well.. why aren't people buying hackers setups like crazy and running 16 cells? Could it be the unreliable random meltdown of controllers? could it be cogging? the use of an RX pack? or the lack of reliable brakes? mabey the price?

Novak has probably sold more SS's than all the other Car BL MFG's out there and they will sell tons of the HV setups for sure. I've seen at least a dozen different people with Novak SS's in a short time and only ONE guy running a hacker Bl once and that was a while ago. Novak is putting serious time, money, and manpower into their Bl setups to set a new standard in the BL market that will drag the whole market along even if they are kicking and screaming.

Thumbs up to novak for sticking to their guns even when the public was skeptical after several blotched released dates of the SS. The SS is a great setup and I'm sure the HV will be just as good!

CharlieS · #25 09-16-2003, 07:53 PM

And people wonder why we never give out early information anymore. Well, we are not at the point that we have Final Specs yet. All the information we gave at the show was "Not Final" so there is testing to be done. At this point cell count is undecided. Most likely it will be able to be used with more than 12 cells.

Thanks,
Charlie