[PeterV]

Internet RC (www.internet-rc.com) is bringing in this well-packaged mini nitro buggy, and promises a "pro" version in addition to the standard model shown here. It's 4WD and "race ready out of the box," and should hit stores in December. We can't wait to review this one!

[rampbrian]

so your saying december? like in time for christmas? cause im definately havin to buy this for my slef santa present this year I think.

I wonder if it has sealed front and rear ? center ? difs so we can fill em up just like our 1/8 scale buggys with sillicone,
I cant believe they put a pull start jamed in there too!!
maby would of been better selling the car with the starter box like the xray thing

I cant wait to see this thing next to something else for scale appereance and perspective.

[Peterbilt]

Now that is cool. Man, Im trying to spend $$ to keep my TMaxx alive and well and all this new stuff keeps coming...hmm...

Wonder it it performs as well as it looks?

Guess we'll find out..

[Mr. Schumacher]

Wow!!! The world is getting smaller!

[4DMNYC]

ARRRGG!! New stuff overload!!!! I'm gonna go broke if all these awesome new things keep coming out. I'm already waiting for the mini LST and now THIS!!

Awwww look at the little pipe

[jmcn r]

hmmm, i have never heard of this company before.....but they seem to have distributor rights for some good brands. i wonder where this design comes from? what engine and by who? when will the "full option" version they talk about be available

[elite]

looks interesting - obviously there is a damand - many are testing the waters with smaller nitro vehicles. who wouldnt want to add one of these to their fleet, it looks very fun and I personally like to race some 1/8 buggys guys on a nice tight track LOL. wonder about pricing and how the other version will differ.......still cool and wow, december huh?

[filippoan]

Internet R/C's website www.internet-rc.com says the VULCAN PRO will have A bunch of aluminum hop ups like Towers, Arms, Knuckles, Servo Saver and bulkheads! Man, that should be beautiful!

[t9dragon]

This looks very similiar to the one from Piktor called the Miwi.

[josh222]

ya it does look simular but maybe this one wil be chaeper since the miwi is a lot of money

[Colt M4]

What size engine does it have?

[josh222]

probaly the .5cc liek the other micros

[Tim'sLosi]

It is athe same as the Acme mini that was at iHobby

[filippoan]

It is similiar to the ACME, it is not the same. (Insider info!)

[t9dragon]

Originally Posted by Tim'sLosi

It is athe same as the Acme mini that was at iHobby

Do you have any info for the Acme Mini?

[Tim'sLosi]

Originally Posted by filippoan

It is similiar to the ACME, it is not the same. (Insider info!)

Well, it appears the exact same as the Acme pictured in Jan '06 issue of RCD AND both "IRC" and Acme make a Condor Pro and they ARE the exact same based upon pics and info on their respective websites. What kind of inside info are you privy to??

[Tim'sLosi]

Originally Posted by t9dragon

Do you have any info for the Acme Mini?

Still too new but you will be able to see a pic in Jan '06 issue of RCD when it hits stands.

[teampeter]

Looks good except for the pullstart. I can see it working it's way out the cooling head hole for the engine, the buggy flipping, and it getting caught on the ground and ripped off. ¿Me? I'm waiting on a nitro mini monster.
Ciao

Pete

[filippoan]

Insider info I have is that I know Internet-RC ownership so I hear it straight from the horses mouth, so to speak. Remember, that picture on their website is only a photo of the prototype.

But they told me not to reveal any info they haven't made public. Believe me, this buggy will be awesome! Especially the VULCAN PRO edition. I also know a mini monster nitro truck is soon to follow! I better keep my mouth shut or that will be the end of my insider info.

[metalry101]

I'm not impressed. I've dealt with enough of this company's products to know to stay away. Some of the local toy stores sell the bigger vehicles, like the Conquistador, Condor, and Cyclone, and we have people bringing them to us occassionally, so I've worked on a few. They're garbage IMO, no matter the price. It's possible that they're improving, but all of the products that I've seen are garbage.

That said, even if this thing is awesome, it's just short of $300 for the standard version, and 360 for the "Pro" (with a bunch of heavy aluminum parts that will bend instead of break, yeah!!!!!!). Why would anyone spend that kind of money on a 1/16 scale buggy when you could buy a 1/8 version from a reputable company for the exact same price, maybe even less? If this thing was $180, I could see it being somewhat cool...maybe...but at 300 bones, no way. I like the idea for sure, but this is Acme/IRC/Smartech we're talking about. Ofna or HB or Kyosho pricing with Smartech quality? Thanks, I'll pass.

[Fluke]

Originally Posted by Tim'sLosi

Well, it appears the exact same as the Acme pictured in Jan '06 issue of RCD AND both "IRC" and Acme make a Condor Pro and they ARE the exact same based upon pics and info on their respective websites. What kind of inside info are you privy to??

just hope quality ain't the same as the condor

[filippoan]

To my understanding, this 1/16th nitro buggy is a completely different animal from the 1/10th scale stuff. I was told by IRC that this buggy was designed to their specifications and is a considerable step up from the 1/10th stuff. One thing I know is that it has a plastic carbon fiber spur gear which I was told is 20 times stronger than the plastic spur gears and it is also suppose to have other features that were stepped up.

I questioned the weight of the aluminum and was told the 2mm aluminum parts really don't add that much weight to the buggy and the .05 Toki engine has no problem with the weight difference. And I was also told the extra couple of ounces adds greater stability to the handling of the buggy.

I was also told they are working right now with an Italian engine manufacturer (Don't know who) to produce a high performance engine (and pipe) that will be offered as an optional item.

Also, last time I checked, HPI, Ofna and Kyosho dodn't have a mini nitro buggy or mini nitro monster truck available (at least not in the near future).

In all fairness, I think we should try it before we start to knock it down. Don't ya think?

[metalry101]

Originally Posted by filippoan

To my understanding, this 1/16th nitro buggy is a completely different animal from the 1/10th scale stuff. I was told by IRC that this buggy was designed to their specifications and is a considerable step up from the 1/10th stuff. One thing I know is that it has a plastic carbon fiber spur gear which I was told is 20 times stronger than the plastic spur gears and it is also suppose to have other features that were stepped up.

Plastic/carbon fiber spur gear that's 20 times stronger? They may have told you that, and it may be a combination of plastic and carbon fiber, but it's not any stronger. My XTM Mammoth (before I got rid of it) had that type of spur, so does my RS4 MT. They're not any stronger. Carbon laced structural parts are stiffer and better for racing applications, but it doesn't do anything for the spur gears at all. However...maybe they did step up the quality in the rest of the car. I seriously doubt it, but I'll withhold judgement on that until I can see better pics or one of these in person.

Originally Posted by filippoan

I questioned the weight of the aluminum and was told the 2mm aluminum parts really don't add that much weight to the buggy and the .05 Toki engine has no problem with the weight difference. And I was also told the extra couple of ounces adds greater stability to the handling of the buggy.

I was also told they are working right now with an Italian engine manufacturer (Don't know who) to produce a high performance engine (and pipe) that will be offered as an optional item.

Great! Toki! The same company that brought us the Fantom/Diablo/Wasp .27/.28 debacle. Now I know I definately don't want anything to do with the stock engine. An Italian engine sounds kinda cool...but I'd have to imagine that it'd either be super-basic and not that powerful, or powerful and super-pricey due to the extremely limited market for it. However, if other companies come out with a vehicle that can fit the same size engine, there is hope for a good Italian engine at a good price because the sales potential will increase dramatically.

Originally Posted by filippoan

Also, last time I checked, HPI, Ofna and Kyosho dodn't have a mini nitro buggy or mini nitro monster truck available (at least not in the near future).

In all fairness, I think we should try it before we start to knock it down. Don't ya think?

I've seen their other products, to say I'm not impressed by them would be a gross understatement. Perhaps this one will be better, only time can tell. However, at it's size, it will be useless on anything other than smoothish surfaces. Nothing wrong with that if it's a capable track vehicle, but at 3 bills, why not just get an RTR 1/8? Even if it's cool, there aren't any advantages to the small scale. It's too fast, too loud, and too messy to drive around the house, but it's too small to rally in rough terrain. It's too expensive to buy as a novelty, it's too cheaply made to be raced without parts support (kinda hard to find a hobby shop that sells parts for 'em). It's very impractical. I think it's a cool idea...and it may be well done, I doubt it, but it's certainly possible. Basically, I see it this way...you get all of the drawbacks of nitro (noise, mess, tuning, price, etc) with none of the advantages of the small scale electrics (inexpensive, can drive 'em anywhere, charge and go simplicity, almost no necessary maintenence, etc). It's a cool idea at first...a mini nitro...but after you think about it...it just defeats the purpose. If it were cheap, that could be forgivable if for nothing other than the cool factor of a mini nitro buggy, but at 3 bills, why bother with a little buggy when you can have the real thing? That's like being offered either a brand new Kia Rio or a brand new 5-Series, but they're both at the same price. Ya know?

[zakerid]

http://www.piktor.fr/
I wonder if this is the same bug???

[Mindcrime]

Man those are some pretty one sided comments, parts support? I'm sure all of the parts will be available for this, in fact I know they will be since my shop has ordered some of these along with a ton of spare parts, I have 10 of these on pre order for customers alone, I'm an avid 1/8th scale racer, sponsored by Mugen, GS, Panther Tire to name a few, what kind of 1/8th scale RTR can you get for 300.00?? I will tell you...JUNK! thats if you can even find any at that price point.... I see you must be an electric racer making comment like you have "all of the draw backs of nitro" most of us do not consider them to be draw backs......I personlay can't wait to get these in, we already have a class set-up for them, should be lots of fun.

Originally Posted by metalry101

Plastic/carbon fiber spur gear that's 20 times stronger? They may have told you that, and it may be a combination of plastic and carbon fiber, but it's not any stronger. My XTM Mammoth (before I got rid of it) had that type of spur, so does my RS4 MT. They're not any stronger. Carbon laced structural parts are stiffer and better for racing applications, but it doesn't do anything for the spur gears at all. However...maybe they did step up the quality in the rest of the car. I seriously doubt it, but I'll withhold judgement on that until I can see better pics or one of these in person.


Great! Toki! The same company that brought us the Fantom/Diablo/Wasp .27/.28 debacle. Now I know I definately don't want anything to do with the stock engine. An Italian engine sounds kinda cool...but I'd have to imagine that it'd either be super-basic and not that powerful, or powerful and super-pricey due to the extremely limited market for it. However, if other companies come out with a vehicle that can fit the same size engine, there is hope for a good Italian engine at a good price because the sales potential will increase dramatically.

I've seen their other products, to say I'm not impressed by them would be a gross understatement. Perhaps this one will be better, only time can tell. However, at it's size, it will be useless on anything other than smoothish surfaces. Nothing wrong with that if it's a capable track vehicle, but at 3 bills, why not just get an RTR 1/8? Even if it's cool, there aren't any advantages to the small scale. It's too fast, too loud, and too messy to drive around the house, but it's too small to rally in rough terrain. It's too expensive to buy as a novelty, it's too cheaply made to be raced without parts support (kinda hard to find a hobby shop that sells parts for 'em). It's very impractical. I think it's a cool idea...and it may be well done, I doubt it, but it's certainly possible. Basically, I see it this way...you get all of the drawbacks of nitro (noise, mess, tuning, price, etc) with none of the advantages of the small scale electrics (inexpensive, can drive 'em anywhere, charge and go simplicity, almost no necessary maintenence, etc). It's a cool idea at first...a mini nitro...but after you think about it...it just defeats the purpose. If it were cheap, that could be forgivable if for nothing other than the cool factor of a mini nitro buggy, but at 3 bills, why bother with a little buggy when you can have the real thing? That's like being offered either a brand new Kia Rio or a brand new 5-Series, but they're both at the same price. Ya know?