Team Losi Muggy

LD3Furious · #1 10-01-2006, 12:41 AM

I just picked up a TL Muggy today. I will break it in tomorrow after hooking up my Nomadio and "racing" servos, etc. I thought I'd try and start a thread for those who already have one and those who might be interested in getting one. I do have one gripe...but all in all, I guess this can be expected for any RTR. The shocks....I ran the truck for about a 1/2 tank eariler today and I have one shock that is already leaking out of the bottom seal. The others seem ( I'll check it out tomorrow ) to be low on oil. I don't have the manual handy at the moment...does anyone know ( or is it stated in the manual? ) what wts are used in the shocks? Also the diffs?, silicone oil or grease? Thx

LD3Furious · #2 10-01-2006, 08:46 AM

Blasted RAIN!!! :mad

Anyway...Ill git 'er broke in during the week, maybe and post more info when I can.

LD3Furious · #3 10-02-2006, 07:53 PM

Ok...Between last night and this afternoon, I rebuilt the shocks. Stock, they had some sort of petroleum based (motor oil???) gunk in them. The manual recommends Losi 30 wt, to which I had none. I did have some Trinity 32.5 so I used that and they feel a whole lot better. I also tightened the one bottom cartridge that was loose, so Im sure they will be fine now. I also rebuilt the diffs, which were full of grease. The manual recommends 7F-10C-5R...I chose to try 5F-10C-2R...we'll see how that goes. I ran two tanks on pavement so far and it went well. It starts up quickly and idles forever and a day no problem and seems to be very repsponsive to throttle input. I only went maybe 1/4 to 1/3 throttle so far. Few more tanks before I begin to push it, but the temps stayed low, at around 190.
While doing the rebuilds, I also put my Nomadio in it and "converted" to a single steering servo, JR 9000T. If you try this, Id suggest getting a longer servo tie rod. I installed my JR parallell to the chassis, instead of in a stock position. This was the only way I could mount it and have enough of a lead to reach the Rx. In doing this, the tie rod isn't long enough to center the bell cranks correctly. For the time being I lengthened the stock one, but will get a longer rod in due time.
Im sitting here trying to remember some of the things I found that I was not too happy with, but can only recall one. There is no provision for droop screws. This concerns me greatly as the arms have a good 1/2" more downtravel than the shocks. So far as I know, w/o droop screws, there's no way to change this. All in all, while I do have a few gripes... as Im sure I would with just about any RTR, I am very pleased with the Muggy. I should be able to get some more run time in tomorrow...will pass info along as I go.

richpadg · #4 10-04-2006, 10:04 AM

I have had the Muggy for about a week now and a few complaints. I found alot of loose screws and nuts that could have caused some problems. The engine seems to run pretty strong, but I don't have quick throttle response like I think I should. Any suggestions on that would be awesome. I plan on changing out the diff fluids and the shock oil. Last night while running the clutch locked up on me. I took it apart and it looked pretty eaten up. Don't know what happened there. TL is sending me all the parts to replace it.

Do you know if there is any control like a slipper? I know there's no transmission, just a center diff, but I didn't know if there was a way to control slippage.

Any help would be great.

Rich

richpadg · #5 10-04-2006, 10:36 AM

For the oil weights, I heard that the shocks need to be changed out to 30 to 40 wt. For the diffs, I heard to use Front - 7k, Center - 20k, and Back - 5k.

Rich

richpadg · #6 10-05-2006, 09:32 AM

I talked with Team Losi and they recommend 10-7-5, F-C-R, for the diffs. And for the shocks, 35 front and 30 rear.

LD3Furious · #7 10-05-2006, 09:04 PM

Well, due to work, I havn't had a chance to run it at all this week. I have plans this w/end too, but am off on Monday for the holiday. Hopefully the weather remains good through Monday so I can spend the day with it. As for the engine, the only thing I can think w/o hearing and seeing yours, would be to lean the bottom a little at a time....There is no slipper available for these types ( 3 diff vehicles ) of vehicle. Keep in mind, while a slipper can be used as a traction aid, it's primary purpose is to save the relatively delicate ( most times plastic ) gears that are used in transmissions. The diffs used in 1/8 Buggy/Truggy/Muggy/etc etc...are generally much more able to handle high HP and the strains related to these engines.

metalry101 · #8 10-08-2006, 11:42 PM

I'm glad to hear so many good comments on these vehicles. I plan on picking one up just as soon as I can come up with the funding. I figure it'll have a few problems out of the box, like every RTR out there. As I always say, the little kids in the sweatshops deserve a little slack.

LD3Furious · #9 10-09-2006, 07:49 AM

I got to run a couple more tanks through it earlier this week. Prolly will get more in today since Im off work. I put it on my local track for about 2 laps, til it coughed up a screw for the Ackerman bar,lol....always tighten and TLock those RTRs :|. Anyway...it definately needs "racing" tires. From the short time I had it on the track, it pushed quite a bit at low speeds on power. The stock tires dont feel connected...hard to describe but for those that have raced, you know. A little trick I learned from my LHS...drill two holes in the chassis, where the Ackerman screws go, so you can run your Allen driver through. Otherwise the entire front end would have to be torn down to replace these screws. I also found out that normal 17mm buggy hexes from the Hyper 8 will fit perfectly if one wants to convert.

LD3Furious · #10 10-09-2006, 07:21 PM

I got to run 'er some more today. The engine is beginning to wake up now. It seems to have decent power all around, but it isn't as snappy as I would like on bottom. Basically, I think Im experiencing the same thing Rich did. All in all I am content with the engine. Maybe a little more needle work. I was VERY! disappointed today however. I ran one tank on a small track. There's two 2' high jumps...with speed one can get some good distance, but they aren't any real challenge for a good trug/buggy. I didn't wreck during this one run and I landed well off of these jumps. But, somehow a shock shaft managed to snap. At this time, I also learned that LST shafts are longer than Muggy shafts. I had bought them assuming they'd be the same, but learned otherwise when fixing the shock. I used it anyway, but it will definately be replaced with a stock shaft soon.

richpadg · #11 10-10-2006, 03:42 PM

Raced the Muggy this weekend and it seemed to handle the small track pretty well. Didn't have any problems except engine running a little hot and after hitting a wall, one of the front steering knuckles snapped. I am thinking of going to the LST2 aluminum knuckles. The tires seemed to grip very well, but I will probably switch to the Hyper 8 17mm hubs and run truggy wheels. Most likely the Crime Fighter MTs.

LD3Furious · #12 10-15-2006, 07:40 AM

I ran mine yesterday at my LHS. It ran great all day and had no breakage, unless you count the CB bearings blowing out.The front stretch has a big jump with major air. Im guessing 10-15 ft up and 20-30 ft forward!!! It jumps real well and lands great too. Even if you get a little squirrelly in the air, on the big jump at my track, there's plenty of time to correct. I feel that it doesn't seem to turn very well at low speeds.I really had to drive it in hard and stab the brakes to swing the rear around in the tight infield sections. This could be my diff set up, tires, or I found that the Ackerman link screw holes are a little distorted.Enough to create a lot of play. I'm gonna look into possible after market replacements, hopefully someone makes a CNC'd piece, if not now, hopefully soon...KHZ, Fioroni, whoever...etc.etc

. Also, Im not impressed with the brakes...will look into aftermarket discs. I may have to re-adjust my linkage but I think it is fine, and my Brake End Point is currently at +35. I personally don't like setting it that high. On my MGT and buggy, I have it set at +20 and have great brakes....sooo

. One last note for now...I mentioned in another post about a lack of bottom end snap. I turned my Throttle Expo up to +10 and that made a big difference. Give that a shot and see if you like it, Rich. Good luck and happy bashing/racing

balang_479 · #13 10-15-2006, 03:08 PM

photos???

LD3Furious · #14 10-15-2006, 03:24 PM

I have none from the track, yesterday was merely practice. I can take some still pics however...Ill post a little later.

richpadg · #15 10-16-2006, 09:37 AM

I raced over the weekend and took 1st in all qualifiers and the main. The truck was flying around the track. I didn't have any problems except for a few loose screws. It handles the jumps very well and after messing with the steering a little, it turned alot better. I am running 7-10-3 in the diffs and that seems to work just fine for the small track. While cleaning the truck yesterday, I discovered and blown wheel bearing, so you might want to pick of a full set of those when you can. I am also using the OS R5 plug which ran very well.

LD3Furious · #16 10-16-2006, 09:50 AM

Just curious...when you say "messing with the steering"....what did you do? I'm having some issues with mine I'd like to get right.

richpadg · #17 10-16-2006, 03:33 PM

Mainly messing with the settings on the transmitter. I did notice that if you tighten the two nuts on the steering link, the steering will bind. I am also looking into replacing the bushings to bearings, I just need to find out what size they are. TL couldn't tell me. I will have to take it apart and measure one. I think that would help out some too. Are you still running the stock tires?

LD3Furious · #18 10-17-2006, 12:24 AM

Yeah, stock tires. I did some fiddling with my Ackerman today.{I'd post pics but I can't seem to find my USB cord

** Basically, I got a couple 20mm screws. First, I threaded on a tiny piece of shrink wrap all the way up to the counter sink "shoulder" of each screw. After that, I put a nylock nut on top of each screw. I have yet to drive it and have no clue how long this will last, but it does allow me to tighten everything up nice...no more slop and no binding

. As for the bushings, that is probably a good idea. I had mine out the other day but didn't get a measurement. I did spray on some Gunk "Liquid Wrench". Basically a goes on wet,leave a dry film lube...PTFE. This seems to help a bit. That's sad, on TLs part...that they didn't have the bearing size info. I just did a little research, both on TL's and Horizon's web page. I tried to cross reference the part # B2110. It did come up with the correct product, but sadly, there's no description.

projectzip · #19 10-17-2006, 05:55 AM

Well have a look at some Muggys in action in the UK http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=w5hsO9LvFAE

richpadg · #20 10-17-2006, 07:06 AM

I took out the bushing and measured it and the closest bearing I could find was a 6x10x3. Here's a link for the bearing. It even states it is for 1/8 scale steering posts.

Let me know how the steering works out. I got the Hyper 8 17mm hexes in yesterday and they fit perfectly. Now, just waiting for the wheels and tires to show up, hopefully before this weekend.

LD3Furious · #21 10-17-2006, 07:36 AM

Nice vid...ya got some brave camera men there, lol. Thx

projectzip · #22 10-17-2006, 08:11 AM

Thats the only way I get good shots you gotta get in the way and then outta it!
Thats also me on the DUCK shot and me shouting oi at another photographer cause he wasnt paying attention!
I just need for the team to buy me a Muggy now!

4DMNYC · #23 10-19-2006, 06:54 PM

I got some muggy shots I'd like to add to the conversation...

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projectzip · #24 10-20-2006, 05:50 AM

LRP Engine going in my mates for racing this weekend!!
Should be interesting!

richpadg · #25 10-20-2006, 09:38 AM

4DMNYC, have you changed out the grease in your diffs to diff lube? Those tires are ballooning like crazy. Nice pics though.